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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #450 on: February 13, 2019, 03:57:45 pm »

I was thinking something like "gov'ner".

A London cabbie called me gov’nr once. I found it quite amusing. I wondered at the time whether they just do that for obvious tourists, or if it’s the norm. I still don’t know.


I would feel extremely uncomfortable if anyone ever called me "sir", regardless of the circumstances. It's just not commonly used any more. "Ma'am" even less.

I get called Sir rather often. Maybe it’s because I’m an old fart. It doesn’t bother me, other than reminding me how old I am.
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #451 on: February 13, 2019, 05:24:49 pm »

I was thinking something like "gov'ner".

A London cabbie called me gov’nr once. I found it quite amusing. I wondered at the time whether they just do that for obvious tourists, or if it’s the norm. I still don’t know.


I would feel extremely uncomfortable if anyone ever called me "sir", regardless of the circumstances. It's just not commonly used any more. "Ma'am" even less.

I get called Sir rather often. Maybe it’s because I’m an old fart. It doesn’t bother me, other than reminding me how old I am.
I assume its more to do with where you are.

Its quite impolite to refer to someone by honorifics where I come from. People make an exception and always call medical doctors by their title, but outside the surgery, the ones who arent arseholes (seems harsh, but again, different local standards) tell you to call them by their first name.

For perspective, people here refer to the president by his first name and initial. Though funnily our first two female presidents were given honorifics in everyday conversation.

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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #452 on: February 13, 2019, 07:47:43 pm »

I was thinking something like "gov'ner".

A London cabbie called me gov’nr once. I found it quite amusing. I wondered at the time whether they just do that for obvious tourists, or if it’s the norm. I still don’t know.


I would feel extremely uncomfortable if anyone ever called me "sir", regardless of the circumstances. It's just not commonly used any more. "Ma'am" even less.

I get called Sir rather often. Maybe it’s because I’m an old fart. It doesn’t bother me, other than reminding me how old I am.
I assume its more to do with where you are.

Its quite impolite to refer to someone by honorifics where I come from. People make an exception and always call medical doctors by their title, but outside the surgery, the ones who arent arseholes (seems harsh, but again, different local standards) tell you to call them by their first name.

For perspective, people here refer to the president by his first name and initial. Though funnily our first two female presidents were given honorifics in everyday conversation.

I don’t mind being called Mr, although I find it odd.  I usually ask to be called by my first name (not ‘Christian’ name, I don’t have one).  I don’t think it’s impolite though.  It shows a little respect.  Or at least the attempted imitation of respect.

Australia doctors with a surgical specialisation (except for gynaecologists) are called Mr - and they regard it as an insult to be called Dr.  When  I was a surgical intern decades ago, I clerked for a female ophthalmologist, and she was ‘Miss Bremner.’  It is a worry that I can remember what I did 40 years ago, but I can’t remember what I did last week.  Sometimes I wonder how I remember to get up each morning.  I can remember inflicting the goniomter on all my patients, which is a crude device for measuring intraocular pressure as a screening test for glaucoma (currently there are simpler non-invasive methods).

I often get called Dr, although I have to point that I’m not entitled to that honorific, having been struck off the medical registry, twice (to indicate my importance).
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #453 on: February 13, 2019, 08:02:50 pm »
bachfiend:  If a transgendered person requested that you use the pronouns 'they/them' would you do so?  If the answer is yes, then I have no quarrel with you.

I wasn’t aware you were asking me a question.

HAHAHAHA!

Hm. I think last time I actively mocked and derided someone for open bigotry I got a warning. If that happens here it will be my second.
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #454 on: February 13, 2019, 08:26:41 pm »
Any time anyone calls me by my last name (which is always preceded by “Mr.”) I ask them to call me Daniel. Or Dan or Danny if they want to, though I don’t use either of those. But “sir” is just a way to address a man whose name you don’t know.

In Spanish, a formal form of address would be señor, with or without a surname. Effectively, señor serves as both “Mr.” and “sir.” The result is that sometimes an uneducated Mexican who knows just a little English will address a North American as “mister” by itself. In English usage, walking up to someone and just calling him “mister” sounds slightly aggressive. But in Spanish it is ultra-polite to walk up to a stranger and address him with “señor.”
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #455 on: February 13, 2019, 08:49:48 pm »
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #456 on: February 13, 2019, 09:23:04 pm »
bachfiend:  If a transgendered person requested that you use the pronouns 'they/them' would you do so?  If the answer is yes, then I have no quarrel with you.

I wasn’t aware you were asking me a question.

HAHAHAHA!

Hm. I think last time I actively mocked and derided someone for open bigotry I got a warning. If that happens here it will be my second.

I’m not offended.  I must have missed the question.  To repeat my hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question concerning a hypothetical situation which non-hypothetically would not happen, I wouldn’t use ‘they’ if requested, but I also wouldn’t use ‘he’ or ‘she.’  I’d be tempted to use my suggested ‘dey/deym/deys’ (rhymes with ‘they’) as non-gendered 3rd person singular pronouns/passive adjectives.  If spoken, it might be taken as ‘they’ in which case the person requesting would be happy.  Or if written, might think my Spellcheck isn’t working (or I’m an idiot, which saves time).  Or if it’s noticed, I’d just explain I’m trying to start a campaign for a non-ambiguous non-gendered 3rd person singular pronoun.

I don’t set out to offend people.
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #457 on: February 13, 2019, 09:33:59 pm »
I’ve been thinking.  The readership of the SGU forum is relatively liberal and possibly progressive.  How do you know that the general population shares your overdeveloped social conscience?   How do you know that the general population is happy to use ‘they’ instead of ‘he’ or ‘she’ as appropriate?  Or that, being conservative, a considerable proportion of the population won’t oppose using the ‘singular they’ for ideological reasons?

Because this isn't the only community I interact with.
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #458 on: February 13, 2019, 09:36:47 pm »
I don’t set out to offend people.

No, you just do it accidentally.
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #459 on: February 13, 2019, 09:53:48 pm »
I’ve been thinking.  The readership of the SGU forum is relatively liberal and possibly progressive.  How do you know that the general population shares your overdeveloped social conscience?   How do you know that the general population is happy to use ‘they’ instead of ‘he’ or ‘she’ as appropriate?  Or that, being conservative, a considerable proportion of the population won’t oppose using the ‘singular they’ for ideological reasons?

Because this isn't the only community I interact with.

OK, provide some evidence.  From my reading of history, I know that when people start praising the merits of democracy, it’s because democracy has been discredited and is under threat.  The same with the use of the ‘singular they’ as the default 3rd person singular pronoun to avoid offending transgender and non-binary gender persons.  If it’s as widespread and accepted as you claim, then you wouldn’t be needing to defend it, you can just wait for me to die.

I think you’ll find that the conservatives who disagree with Safe Schools, and want it abolished,  won’t go along with you.
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #460 on: February 13, 2019, 10:55:25 pm »
OK, provide some evidence.

I did. It's not my fault you didn't click on it.
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #461 on: February 13, 2019, 11:01:43 pm »
OK, provide some evidence.

I did. It's not my fault you didn't click on it.

Well, post it again, and I’ll look at it again.  I’ve never been impressed by anything you’ve previously posted to bother commenting on it.
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Re: Episode #700
« Reply #462 on: February 13, 2019, 11:38:41 pm »
OK, provide some evidence.

I did. It's not my fault you didn't click on it.

Well, post it again, and I’ll look at it again.  I’ve never been impressed by anything you’ve previously posted to bother commenting on it.

Not going to do your homework for you, mate. The Internet is full of references to people who use they/them as a first person pronoun. I'm sure you can stumble across some of them.

I will, however, repost this, because I think it's most critically important for you to understand:

http://www.robot-hugs.com/pronoun-etiquette/

In case you're unsure, Robot Hugs is created by a person who uses nonbinary pronouns. Specifically:

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RH lives in Toronto and works in UX/IA.  They have a degree in Linguistics and a graduate degree in Information Studies. They identify as genderqueer non-binary and use gender-neutral pronouns such as ‘they’ or ‘zie/zir’. Specifically, they identify as a non-binary genderqueer peoplequeer mentally ill non-monogamous kinky critical feminist robot.  Their hobbies include worrying, being concerned about things they can’t change, being angry, being uselessly angry, hiding from the world, and knitting.

Source: the About page.

So there's one person who uses they/them, talking about how to respect other people's pronoun choices.
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« Reply #463 on: February 13, 2019, 11:45:19 pm »
Here's another person who uses nonbinary pronouns:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Soloway

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Jill Soloway (born September 26, 1965)[2][3][4] is an American television creator, showrunner, director and writer. Soloway won the Best Director award at the Sundance Film Festival for directing and writing the film Afternoon Delight. They are also known for their work on Six Feet Under and for creating, writing, executive producing and directing the Amazon original series Transparent, for which they won two Emmys.[5]

Soloway is nonbinary and gender non-conforming, and uses gender-neutral singular they pronouns.[6][7]
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« Reply #464 on: February 13, 2019, 11:46:53 pm »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg-John_Barker

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Meg-John Barker (born 23 June 1974) is an author, speaker, consultant, and activist-academic. They have written a number of anti self-help books on the topics of relationships, sex, and gender, as well as the popular comic book Queer: A Graphic History, and the book The Psychology of Sex. They are the writer of the relationships book and blog Rewriting the Rules, and they have a podcast with sex educator Justin Hancock.

Barker is currently a Senior Lecturer in Psychology at the Open University in the United Kingdom with a focus on psychotherapy. Barker holds a PhD in Psychology from the University of Nottingham, and is also a UKCP accredited psychotherapist specializing in sex therapy and relationship counseling.

Barker has written and/or edited some of the first academic collections on open non-monogamy, bisexuality, non-binary gender and BDSM. They were editor of the journal Psychology & Sexuality from 2010 to 2017, and lead author of The Bisexuality Report and the BACP document on Gender, Sexual, and Relationship Diversity.

Barker's pronouns are singular they/them.
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