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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2018, 10:49:09 AM »
Don’t know about Android, but on the iPhone all apps have to ask for permission to use the microphone, and there is a bar at the top of the screen if they are using it when not foregrounded.
We give the same permission. I sometimes get notifications from whatsapp that it accessed the microphone. It never says why or for how long.

I’ve never had a banner for microphone use that wasn’t associated with an application I was actively using audio on (Skype, etc.).
I dont get a banner. Just a message after the fact. Often when I take the phone out of my pocket.

Maybe time to look into going back to iphone.

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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2018, 03:37:24 PM »
My wife has a kindle, and I’m always very wary of the permissions apps ask for.  Apple gets apps to make sure they’re asking only for permissions they need, which results in far fewer requests, but it seems to be common practice for Android apps, however simple, to request every possible permission.

I’ve got four apps that can access my microphone, including Google Maps and Skype. Facebook and Facebook Messenger cannot.
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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2018, 06:25:41 PM »
But given the recent issues they and google have had, Im also not inclined to take their word for it when they say they dont do something.

Like I said, lying to consumers and investigators and Congress is really illegal. If you can actually catch them in such a blatant and baldfaced lie, I'm sure you could settle for millions of dollars.
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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2018, 06:33:21 PM »
But given the recent issues they and google have had, Im also not inclined to take their word for it when they say they dont do something.

Like I said, lying to consumers and investigators and Congress is really illegal. If you can actually catch them in such a blatant and baldfaced lie, I'm sure you could settle for millions of dollars.
Oh yeah. Like when the banks did that.

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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2018, 07:23:12 PM »
But given the recent issues they and google have had, Im also not inclined to take their word for it when they say they dont do something.

Like I said, lying to consumers and investigators and Congress is really illegal. If you can actually catch them in such a blatant and baldfaced lie, I'm sure you could settle for millions of dollars.
Oh yeah. Like when the banks did that.

Yeah. Like that.

Personally I don't believe that large multibillion dollar companies are in the business of blatant lies. I think it's just bad business practice. As such, I believe Facebook when they say they don't listen in on your conversations without your permission. I am also absolutely convinced that they don't need to. Even if we haven't managed yet to hit on to the real explanation for your situation, that still does not convince me that Facebook needs to listen in in order to do what you have described. In fact, I'd be surprised if we were able to guess correctly. Furthermore, you can track and examine the data your phone sends, and see for yourself if it includes sound data. I have not to date heard of an example where it has.
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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2018, 07:34:42 PM »
There's plenty of evidence that corporations will lie if the risks are low enough and the consequences are less than the expected profits from lying.

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« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2018, 07:43:52 PM »
There's plenty of evidence that corporations will lie if the risks are low enough and the consequences are less than the expected profits from lying.

Point granted. But I don't think they are, for the reasons I have already explained. They don't need to. Why put yourself at risk when you don't need to?
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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2018, 08:08:06 PM »
There's plenty of evidence that corporations will lie if the risks are low enough and the consequences are less than the expected profits from lying.

Point granted. But I don't think they are, for the reasons I have already explained. They don't need to. Why put yourself at risk when you don't need to?
Profit.
No one NEEDS profit after a certain point and yet here we are, working more hours for less money than recent generations so billionaires can become multi billionaires.

You are applying your own logic to people who clearly have very different values and priorities to you.
And failing all that- Sometimes business or organisations dont act rationally or make good decisions.

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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2018, 08:23:44 PM »
There's plenty of evidence that corporations will lie if the risks are low enough and the consequences are less than the expected profits from lying.

Point granted. But I don't think they are, for the reasons I have already explained. They don't need to. Why put yourself at risk when you don't need to?
Profit.
No one NEEDS profit after a certain point and yet here we are, working more hours for less money than recent generations so billionaires can become multi billionaires.

You are applying your own logic to people who clearly have very different values and priorities to you.
And failing all that- Sometimes business or organisations dont act rationally or make good decisions.

Right, again, point granted. But lying to Congress is a huuuuge risk. I don't think Zuck is that stupid or malicious.
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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2018, 10:06:11 AM »
There's plenty of evidence that corporations will lie if the risks are low enough and the consequences are less than the expected profits from lying.

Point granted. But I don't think they are, for the reasons I have already explained. They don't need to. Why put yourself at risk when you don't need to?
Profit.
No one NEEDS profit after a certain point and yet here we are, working more hours for less money than recent generations so billionaires can become multi billionaires.

You are applying your own logic to people who clearly have very different values and priorities to you.
And failing all that- Sometimes business or organisations dont act rationally or make good decisions.

Right, again, point granted. But lying to Congress is a huuuuge risk. I don't think Zuck is that stupid or malicious.
And, I believe quite easy to detect. At least easier to figure out than the Volswagon Incident. 
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Re: Phones listening?
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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2018, 05:53:43 PM »
At the risk of repeating myself, Facebook is evil.
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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2018, 06:50:50 PM »
At the risk of repeating myself, Facebook is evil.

Which is completely unlike, oh, every other multibillion dollar company on the planet.
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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2018, 03:57:02 PM »
At the risk of repeating myself, Facebook is evil.

Which is completely unlike, oh, every other multibillion dollar company on the planet.

They all want to make money, but Mark Zuckerberg would grind up puppies into slop and inject them into the public water supply if he thought it would increase profits by a penny a share.
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Re: Phones listening?
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2018, 05:36:33 PM »
At the risk of repeating myself, Facebook is evil.

Which is completely unlike, oh, every other multibillion dollar company on the planet.

They all want to make money, but Mark Zuckerberg would grind up puppies into slop and inject them into the public water supply if he thought it would increase profits by a penny a share.

Uh-huh. Okay.
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