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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2019, 12:50:48 PM »
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2019, 01:04:05 PM »
To the right of Nordic and Scandinavian countries in many ways

I wouldn't necessarily view that as a negative.

likely due to the influence of that far-right neighbour. Much more multicultural, of course.

I think you are confusing righ-wing economics, i.e more market-based, with far-right, which is often implied to refer to fascists or nationalists. The latter are actually often rather left-wing economically. Marine Le Pen's economic views are certainly not right-wing. Back in the 1920s and 1930s, the Nazis and fascists were no proponents of free market economics. The Nazis considered global capitalism to be a Jewish plot (which they also considered communism to be).
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2019, 04:20:26 PM »
To the right of Nordic and Scandinavian countries in many ways

I wouldn't necessarily view that as a negative.

Neither would I.


likely due to the influence of that far-right neighbour. Much more multicultural, of course.

I think you are confusing righ-wing economics, i.e more market-based, with far-right, which is often implied to refer to fascists or nationalists. The latter are actually often rather left-wing economically. Marine Le Pen's economic views are certainly not right-wing. Back in the 1920s and 1930s, the Nazis and fascists were no proponents of free market economics. The Nazis considered global capitalism to be a Jewish plot (which they also considered communism to be).

Compared to pretty much every other western country the US political centre is quite far to the right. I am not making a nuanced argument about the many facets of the policies of "the right" and "the left". I am making a broad generalization about the overall political spectrum.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2019, 05:56:17 PM »
I have no idea how the Canadian government worked, so I looked it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada

I still have no idea how the Canadian government works.

Like most democratic governments, the answer is "just barely". Personally I am quite happy with this. When governments get good act acting swiftly we can have awful outcome really fast.

I was under the impression that the Canadian government works the way the US government is supposed to work.

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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2019, 10:27:07 PM »
I have no idea how the Canadian government worked, so I looked it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada

I still have no idea how the Canadian government works.

Like most democratic governments, the answer is "just barely". Personally I am quite happy with this. When governments get good act acting swiftly we can have awful outcome really fast.

I was under the impression that the Canadian government works the way the US government is supposed to work.

You're thinking of Canadian society, not our government(s).
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2019, 09:45:39 AM »
Thanks for that, Brillig. It conforms with what little I already knew. Actually I had an approximate idea of how the Canadian parliamentary system works. But the various regional differences in culture I was far less familiar with. Other than the general tolerance for pot in B.C. which I was aware of from having spent so much time there. (I never smoked there, because I quit smoking pot about three decades before I first went there. Tried it again after WA legalized it, but didn’t like it. It’s too strong now. And the reasons I quit using it back then still apply now: It muddled my brain. Same thing I dislike about alcohol.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2019, 09:53:31 AM »
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Gotta love Canadians, even if they celebrate their niceness overmuch.

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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2019, 11:43:51 AM »
I don't know that we celebrate it too much. We do like having the reputation though.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2019, 12:05:02 PM »
I have no idea how the Canadian government worked, so I looked it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada

I still have no idea how the Canadian government works.

Like most democratic governments, the answer is "just barely". Personally I am quite happy with this. When governments get good act acting swiftly we can have awful outcome really fast.

I was under the impression that the Canadian government works the way the US government is supposed to work.

Apart from systems of government, which the US and Canada have different forms of for historical reasons, I think Canadian society is pretty much what the US would be like if the Democrats controlled all(?) three branches of government for a few decades.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2019, 12:35:34 PM »
I have no idea how the Canadian government worked, so I looked it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada

I still have no idea how the Canadian government works.

Like most democratic governments, the answer is "just barely". Personally I am quite happy with this. When governments get good act acting swiftly we can have awful outcome really fast.

I was under the impression that the Canadian government works the way the US government is supposed to work.

Apart from systems of government, which the US and Canada have different forms of for historical reasons, I think Canadian society is pretty much what the US would be like if the Democrats controlled all(?) three branches of government for a few decades.

Maybe. The US is a set of cultures born at a unique time in world history. The empires were crumbling. In Europe, effective weapons were increasingly restricted to the aristocracy and the state. US colonists in the small states in the Northeast tended to take on a more European attitude toward who needed weapons, and how many weapons they needed. As the Western frontier was pushed across the continent the Wild West was a very different world from the civilized East. The individual warrior was necessary there, and the idea of personal independence and freedom was entwined with individual force of arms, not state force applied with rule of law. By the time the US was a real coast-to-coast nation that tangled mess of attitudes included the protection-from-government ideas too.

Canada asked nicely for independence. Britain said, "Sure." Our settlers - especially the French - tended to intermarry with the locals rather than conquoring them (leading to the Metis people). It was still a racist shitshow in a ton of ways, but we didn't have some kind of manifest destiny in our culture.

Historically the praries have also been a socialist engine for the nation. Our universal health care started out there, and until relatively recently the left-most political parties have done very well. This may seem to contradict my earlier comments about the praries. It doesn't, because we don't have some of the assumptions Americans have.

Canadian culture is individualist, but not nearly as much as the US. Most of us do not hate and mistrust our governments like Americans do. We don't want government to be a bloated, corrupt drag on society and the economy. We just don't think governments are inherently evil that we are forced to tolerate.

If the entire structure of Canadian government were replaced tomorrow with a system identical to the US system we would see senatorial power skew heavily to the Maritimes (what I called the East Coast for 'muricans to understand), while congressional power would be concentrated in Ontario, with Quebec and BC having a shared second place. The praries would be screwed in many ways, with only 6 senators and a relatively small presence in the House. We'd all keep universal health care in each province. We'd still have at least 3 national parties and at least one regional party (in Quebec). I could see new energy behind regional parties forming in the praries and maritimes too. We'd still have a ton of guns - mostly long-guns for hunting and use on farms - and a low firearms-related murder rate.

I'm not at all sure how First Nations would be represented provincially or federally. Perhaps they would be considered a single territory distributed across the country? Two senators and a few congress people? That would be quite good for them I'd think - though the swing votes may not be so big a deal with more than 2 parties.

If the US government were replaced with our Parlimentary democracy... no, I can't see there being better health care, more gun control, or better representation of First Nations. At the least granular level, perhaps Americans say they want a society that is like Canadian society? I'm not at all sure that is what America wants, or that it is what America claims it wants.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2019, 02:31:38 PM »
I have no idea how the Canadian government worked, so I looked it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada

I still have no idea how the Canadian government works.

Like most democratic governments, the answer is "just barely". Personally I am quite happy with this. When governments get good act acting swiftly we can have awful outcome really fast.

I was under the impression that the Canadian government works the way the US government is supposed to work.

Apart from systems of government, which the US and Canada have different forms of for historical reasons, I think Canadian society is pretty much what the US would be like if the Democrats controlled all(?) three branches of government for a few decades.

The Democrats controlled the U.S. government for long enough that I think it’s safe to say that they would not make the U.S. anything like Canada. The Democrats are a bunch of pussies too weak and wishy-washy to push hard for a truly liberal approach to things like health care and such. Remember that the Democrats began as an alliance of Southern racists and Northern liberals, and that they have happily followed the Republicans to the right of the political spectrum. The Democrats’ strategy is to stay just slightly to the left of the Republicans, in the hopes that everybody to the left of them will vote for them as the lesser evil. And the Democrats are just as married to capitalism and the inviolability of wealth as the Republicans are.

I don’t think you give our culture of greed and our deeply-entrenched and historically based racism enough credit for making us the angry and hate-filled nation we are. The Democrats of today would not continue the war on women or the war against gay and trans people that they championed until very recently, and this would be a good thing, but it’s about all that separates the two parties in the U.S. these days.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2019, 02:41:02 PM »
I didn't mean that the US under long-term Democratic governance would be a copy of Canada. Obviously there are cultural differences that are deeper than things like healthcare. But I though the US would be pretty similar to Canada.

I fully admit I might be completely wrong on this. But Canada is sometimes called US Lite, and I would view that as a positive thing. To my distant eyes, Canada seems to be like the US, but without much of the crazy stuff. A Swedish person I know of who has travelled extensively in both countries described Canada to have all the benefits of the US, but none of its drawbacks.

But if my impression is mistaken, please feel free to correct it.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2019, 02:57:12 PM »
I've lived in both.  I'll never live in the US again.  No offense, but I know what I like and what I don't like.  And GoFundMes for insulin, I don't like.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2019, 03:13:37 PM »
I've lived in both.  I'll never live in the US again.  No offense, but I know what I like and what I don't like.  And GoFundMes for insulin, I don't like.
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Re: "Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life"
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2019, 03:19:25 PM »
I lived in Luxembourg for 3 months and it was probably the worst place I've ever lived in, including a South Sudanese peacekeeper camp.

It is mind-numbingly boring, obscenely wealthy and generally awful in every way, if you actually want to live a life.

And the U.S. is three worse than that!
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