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Episode #710
« on: February 16, 2019, 07:02:04 AM »
Forgotten Superheroes of Science: Alice Lee; News Items: Caring About Robots, Concrete Battery, Insect Collapse, Asteroid Mining; Who’s That Noisy; Science or Fiction
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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2019, 07:32:01 PM »


There is a specialised aftermarket Lego sales website called Bricklink where you can buy/sell individual bricks up to complete sets: https://www.bricklink.com
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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2019, 07:35:24 PM »
Very good episode. 

I’m even getting used to the adverts.  I also listen to Michael Connelly’s ‘Murder Book,’ And he has many more adverts in a shorter show.

Michael Behe was also a defence witness in the Dover trial, and his testimony was absolutely destroyed on cross examination.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

The Dishonesty Institute insists that Judge Jones got it wrong, or that if they’d presented better evidence or better witnesses, they would have won.  Or they were hoping to lose and have the school board to eventually appeal to the Supreme Court and have the judgement overturned, with more weight nationally.

But the school board was voted out soon after.
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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 11:40:02 PM »
I thought the rogues were remarkable controlled when discussing how my child (now 8yo) is going to die due to envinronmental disaster in the near future.
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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2019, 12:04:27 AM »
I thought the rogues were remarkable controlled when discussing how my child (now 8yo) is going to die due to envinronmental disaster in the near future.

Now what would be the name of the psychological mechanism allowing people to cope with the future demise of themselves or close relatives?  Denial perhaps?  When I read this earlier in the week, I almost had a panic attack, only relieved by a few minutes of square-breathing.
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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2019, 02:43:01 AM »
Now what would be the name of the psychological mechanism allowing people to cope with the future demise of themselves or close relatives?  Denial perhaps?

Optimism.

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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2019, 04:29:31 AM »
Wasn't the energy storing train idea pretty much debunked? Can't find the reference now as Google is flooded with media coverage of the idea, but I'm pretty sure that someone worked out that the system would be very inefficient and would need a huge area of track and sidings to store a useful amount of energy.

Maybe I'm misremembering, and I really hope I'm wrong, but the energy storing concrete tower idea sounds a bit too good to be true. I wonder if the claimed 90% efficiency factors in the transport of concrete (recycled or otherwise) to the site of the towers. 

There's a good piece on the proposed system here; https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/energy-vault-stacks-concrete-blocks-to-store-energy#gs.wY2emcU1

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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2019, 08:39:40 AM »
Re: The Trolley Dilemma...

For Americans...

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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2019, 10:29:44 AM »
I thought the rogues were remarkable controlled when discussing how my child (now 8yo) is going to die due to envinronmental disaster in the near future.

Did I miss something? I thought the rogues were certain the human race is going to solve all environmental problems with futuristic technology and live forever and colonize the galaxy.
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2019, 11:58:00 AM »
I thought the rogues were remarkable controlled when discussing how my child (now 8yo) is going to die due to envinronmental disaster in the near future.

Did I miss something? I thought the rogues were certain the human race is going to solve all environmental problems with futuristic technology and live forever and colonize the galaxy.
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2019, 12:14:16 PM »
I thought the rogues were remarkable controlled when discussing how my child (now 8yo) is going to die due to envinronmental disaster in the near future.
Did I miss something? I thought the rogues were certain the human race is going to solve all environmental problems with futuristic technology and live forever and colonize the galaxy.

If they reach a certain level goal on Patreon, the rogues will do a show live from Mars. It will be like watching Barney Clark die on TV. Their last words -- "We cannot tell a lie, Casper mattresses suck."

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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2019, 12:58:41 PM »
Any halfway decent robot wouldn't need to be sacrificed. It would disable the well-meaning humans and sacrifice itself while giving a gallant thumbs-up as the trolley wheels grind it to bits.

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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2019, 01:22:21 PM »
I thought the rogues were remarkable controlled when discussing how my child (now 8yo) is going to die due to envinronmental disaster in the near future.

Did I miss something? I thought the rogues were certain the human race is going to solve all environmental problems with futuristic technology and live forever and colonize the galaxy.

I interpreteed the discussion that while they thought the death of insects was a cause of concern, they also considered the article from The Guardian to be sensationalist. But of course I might have misunderstood it.

It is quite obvious from the podcast and various interviews that Steve is pretty optimistic about our prospects of handling climate change. My impression is that he thinks there will be serious damage, but ultimately the world will get the problem under control, and our civilization will continue on pretty much like right now, but with green technologies, and a reduced human footprint on the environment.

Cara seems much less optimistic. I'd love for them to have a discussion on the podcast or on Steve's blog, outlining their reasons for their optimism and pessimism, respectively.
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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2019, 02:51:50 PM »
I thought the rogues were remarkable controlled when discussing how my child (now 8yo) is going to die due to envinronmental disaster in the near future.

Did I miss something? I thought the rogues were certain the human race is going to solve all environmental problems with futuristic technology and live forever and colonize the galaxy.

I interpreteed the discussion that while they thought the death of insects was a cause of concern, they also considered the article from The Guardian to be sensationalist. But of course I might have misunderstood it.

It is quite obvious from the podcast and various interviews that Steve is pretty optimistic about our prospects of handling climate change. My impression is that he thinks there will be serious damage, but ultimately the world will get the problem under control, and our civilization will continue on pretty much like right now, but with green technologies, and a reduced human footprint on the environment.

Cara seems much less optimistic. I'd love for them to have a discussion on the podcast or on Steve's blog, outlining their reasons for their optimism and pessimism, respectively.

Everyone engages in denialism to some extent.  Active denialists just deny, deny, deny that anything bad is going to happen.  Politicians just deny until the next election.  Even people who accept the science deny to the extent that they hope that someone will do something about it.  I had panic attacks on the two occasions this week when I heard about this report.  And then I happily booked a trip to Chile to see the solar eclipse in July, which is going to do nothing.  There’s nothing much single persons can do.
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Re: Episode #710
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2019, 03:17:27 PM »
I thought the rogues were remarkable controlled when discussing how my child (now 8yo) is going to die due to envinronmental disaster in the near future.

Did I miss something? I thought the rogues were certain the human race is going to solve all environmental problems with futuristic technology and live forever and colonize the galaxy.

I interpreteed the discussion that while they thought the death of insects was a cause of concern, they also considered the article from The Guardian to be sensationalist. But of course I might have misunderstood it.

It is quite obvious from the podcast and various interviews that Steve is pretty optimistic about our prospects of handling climate change. My impression is that he thinks there will be serious damage, but ultimately the world will get the problem under control, and our civilization will continue on pretty much like right now, but with green technologies, and a reduced human footprint on the environment.

Cara seems much less optimistic. I'd love for them to have a discussion on the podcast or on Steve's blog, outlining their reasons for their optimism and pessimism, respectively.

@brilligtove: Was your comment in relation to their discussion about the collapse of the insect population? Because I didn't perceive that discussion as "We're all going to die," I perceived it as just one more environmental problem among many. As Quetz notes, except for Cara (who IMO is the most level-headed of the bunch) the rogues seem to believe that technology will solve all our problems and humanity will survive to colonize space.
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