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An important essay on misogyny in the "rationalist" community
« on: February 18, 2019, 12:23:53 AM »
I just read the essay "The magical thinking of guys who love logic" by Aisling McCrea. I think it makes some important points for any self-identified rationalists to consider.
https://theoutline.com/post/7083/the-magical-thinking-of-guys-who-love-logic
McCrea calls out the way that a lot of misogynists hide behind "logic" in order to justify bigotry. She uses Elevatorgate as an example.

A couple key quotes that made me take time for serious self-reflection:

"For men, especially insecure and socially dislocated men, the idea of 'rationality' can be a kind of comfort blanket."

"Calling your opinions and feelings 'rational,' as opposed to the 'irrational' opinions and feelings of others, is a shortcut to boosting your self-esteem. And it’s certainly not as though this tendency is unique to reactionaries; I think we’re all prone to this sometimes. The key is to recognize this for what it is — nothing more than a bias that we must overcome, in order to clearly identify how exactly we came to a viewpoint, and whether it truly holds up to scrutiny. This is important for any recent convert, whether it’s to the Intellectual Dark Web, or communism, or Crossfit. We must not mistake our imagined transfiguration from Regular Person to Omniscient Wizard for reality."

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Re: An important essay on misogyny in the "rationalist" community
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2019, 04:03:46 PM »
Nice read.
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Re: An important essay on misogyny in the "rationalist" community
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2019, 08:48:48 PM »
The logic/emotion false dichotomy is at its heart a misogynistic argument.
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Re: An important essay on misogyny in the "rationalist" community
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 06:00:19 PM »
Holy moly! That website is a goldmine, thanks for posting.

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Re: An important essay on misogyny in the "rationalist" community
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2019, 12:42:43 PM »
 Was gender really a necessary part in writing this article? I truly don't think this is the way to compel men to rethink their thinking. Maybe that isn't the point, though.
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Re: An important essay on misogyny in the "rationalist" community
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2019, 04:29:16 PM »
Was gender really a necessary part in writing this article? I truly don't think this is the way to compel men to rethink their thinking. Maybe that isn't the point, though.

The author is pointing out a tendency of a certain group of men to employ a dubious tactic in promoting misogynistic ideas. It seems like gender is an important part of that discussion. In order to help people rethink their position, you have to identify the problem, not just flatter them.

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Re: An important essay on misogyny in the "rationalist" community
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2019, 06:15:28 PM »
The misogynist "rationalist" community (do they really call themselves that?) has co-opted some of the language of skepticism without paying attention to the overall message. Instead of employing critical thinking to reflect on their own views, they mimic the trappings of formal argumentation to bolster an attitude of self-righteousness. Overusing words like "logic" has convinced them that their thinking is logical, therefore their opinions are reasonable. We've all dealt with these types before. These are people prone to the "fallacy fallacy," who believe that pointing out a real or imagined flaw in somebody else's argument amounts to ipso facto validation of their own.


Was gender really a necessary part in writing this article? I truly don't think this is the way to compel men to rethink their thinking.

Wait, are you saying that all men think the same way and are compelled by the same influences? Isn't that rather misandrist?

The reason why gender is the central theme of the article, is because the article is about a particular misogynistic movement that promotes a false narrative about logic.
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Re: An important essay on misogyny in the "rationalist" community
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2019, 07:28:12 AM »

I don't know if anyone listens to the robert wright podcast but he's been having conversations along these lines with a couple of IDW types.

Namely suggesting IDW think they are non-tribal and unbiased - Christina Hoffman was included here so it's not just men. Sarah Haider just had a podcast with Julia Gailef as well which touched on this.

 

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