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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2019, 02:51:38 pm »
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

The problem is that the question does not have an answer. You are asking for something that does not exist, and then getting upset when people answer honestly. Would you rather we lied to you?
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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2019, 03:36:34 pm »
I find it hard to believe that many people are unable to recognize the spirit of a question and it sometimes feels like an excuse for people to show off their super literal scrutinizing skeptical powers.

The problem is that, strictly speaking, a generally good source doesn't exist.  There's a discard pile and there's a 'usable with caveats' pile.

And I really, really wish what OP wants existed.  (Closest I've seen in The Financial Times.)
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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2019, 05:49:37 pm »
I think there is a lot of merit to the horseshoe theory.

There is, at least to the extent that the farthest extreme of any belief system tends to have authoritarianism in common.

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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2019, 10:38:34 pm »
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

The problem is that the question does not have an answer. You are asking for something that does not exist, and then getting upset when people answer honestly. Would you rather we lied to you?

Except that it does exist, as I have been pointing out. You just have to not restrict yourself to American media.
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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2019, 02:32:34 am »
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

The problem is that the question does not have an answer. You are asking for something that does not exist, and then getting upset when people answer honestly. Would you rather we lied to you?

Except that it does exist, as I have been pointing out. You just have to not restrict yourself to American media.

I am not sure it does. The most reputable non-American news sources are still very biased. BBC has been taken over by the Tories and cannot be trusted on anything that intersects with Tory interests, especially Brexit. Al Jazeera is good, unless you want news fro  the Gulf States. And so on...

The least biased news sources I ever found were specific breaking news aggregators like Airlive or Conflict News, but they are also very broad and they still have to select what they publish based on some kind of bias.

Here's an example of subtle bias:


What's missing from this piece of news from a respectable, objective news agency? The Subsaharan African victims, who are apparently not newsworthy.
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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2019, 10:00:31 am »
I really like BBC Analysis and More or Less: Behind the Statistics podcast, and a few from The Economist. Unfortunately, they are not really a broad source of news, but more focused on a few key stories or issues, and of course, UK and EU leaning.


I like to search under podcast providers, and I have found the BBC quite good for being quite balanced. I also like the Guardian, but they are a bit left of the spectrum in the UK, so obviously they are communists in the US.

I love More or Less.  He gets play on Planet Money and its related podcasts all the time.  And while they are a real neo-lib (ie classical liberal) podcast, they too are considered commies here in the US.  Mainly because they acknowledge Keynes.  And quite frankly because they don't engage in Chicago land Economic Woo - the currency of the Right and many Libertarians right now.
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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2019, 10:25:36 am »
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

The problem is that the question does not have an answer. You are asking for something that does not exist, and then getting upset when people answer honestly. Would you rather we lied to you?

Except that it does exist, as I have been pointing out. You just have to not restrict yourself to American media.

Some non-American media are much better than most American media. But all have their biases. Every news source chooses what to report on and what not to report on, and this reflects their views on what's important and what isn't. Even within a story, they will choose which details to include and which not. And that's the very best-case situation. And I doubt that any news source is that good as to have no other biases than just its choice of what to report on. The most complete view of the news requires reading many sources.

Full disclosure: since the election here, I'm avoiding all news to the extent I'm able. It's just too damn depressing.
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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2019, 11:36:14 am »
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

I try to read small city and suburban newspapers, taking care to avoid the coasts. For example: the Rochester Post-Bulletin, in Rochester, Minnesota. The Rocket-Miner, in Rock Springs, Wyoming. They're going to play to their local biases, but if you read multiple sources, you'll be more likely to have a balanced view.

I also read Reuters and AP for international news. I read the BBC, mostly to see the view of America from across the pond. I read NPR, but I'm always on guard because wokeness has started seeping in everywhere. It's become so ubiquitous, I've actually stopped my donations to npr.

I avoid YouTube like the plague. YouTube is like the opinion page on steroids.

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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2019, 01:44:24 pm »
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

Can you please expand on "wokeness" in the media?

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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2019, 05:18:01 pm »
Great, now our only source of bias are the people making the "news media bias" charts and diagrams.
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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2019, 10:02:00 pm »
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

Can you please expand on "wokeness" in the media?
Probably not to your satisfaction.

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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2019, 10:19:20 pm »
I see...well I sure am happy you chimed in.

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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2019, 05:36:42 pm »
The Economist and The Guardian are not American, they are British.

You're right - my mistake. Notice that both of them are in the Complex, Minimal Bias oval.

They are. They do have their editorial stances, The Economist classically liberal, and The Guardian social democratic. But they are not making up news stories, respect science, and are generally trustworthy.
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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2019, 05:41:39 pm »
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

Can you please expand on "wokeness" in the media?
Probably not to your satisfaction.

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Re: Objective Unbiased News source
« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2019, 09:22:24 pm »
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

Can you please expand on "wokeness" in the media?
Probably not to your satisfaction.

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