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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2019, 08:04:48 AM »
It is insane that so much survived.  Glad they got out the cultural and artistic artifacts.
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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2019, 12:01:01 PM »
Tremendously sad.

I recall taking Medieval Art History and studying the evolution of the gothic cathedral --we always referred to them --particularly the french ones-by their city's name (St. Denis, Chartres, Reims, etc) as they were all "Notre Dame".

Paris was something of THE pinnacle of the style, with a stained glass Rose of mind-boggling beauty.

Once could imagine themselves as a serf or something entering such a place 1,100 years ago--it would be the house of God and the architecture and the art and the beautiful colored light would underline that point to you like nothing else. If it is awe-inspiring now, imagine what it would have looked like to people then-especially once the choral music began.



Aside from the stained glass, among the most important items in the Cathedral are the bells (which are immensely expensive) and the pipe organ.

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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2019, 01:56:14 PM »

I noticed that the Fireman-in-Chief offered his expertise in such matters via Twitter:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump   So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!

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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2019, 04:16:55 PM »
Tremendously sad.

I recall taking Medieval Art History and studying the evolution of the gothic cathedral --we always referred to them --particularly the french ones-by their city's name (St. Denis, Chartres, Reims, etc) as they were all "Notre Dame".

Paris was something of THE pinnacle of the style, with a stained glass Rose of mind-boggling beauty.

Once could imagine themselves as a serf or something entering such a place 1,100 years ago--it would be the house of God and the architecture and the art and the beautiful colored light would underline that point to you like nothing else. If it is awe-inspiring now, imagine what it would have looked like to people then-especially once the choral music began.



Aside from the stained glass, among the most important items in the Cathedral are the bells (which are immensely expensive) and the pipe organ.

From the latest reports, the organ, the windows and the bells are all safe. The organ was somewhat damaged by the water, but it can be repaired.

The main damage was to the spire, the medieval wooden attic and segments of the vaulted ceiling and probably parts of the floor that was under the parts that caved in.

There's already 700 million euros being pledged to restore it.

A part of me wishes a similar outpouring of support to destroyed sites of great cultural significance like the Great Mosque of Aleppo or for ones facing destruction like Bears Ears or the sacred Djap Wurrung trees in Australia.

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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2019, 07:26:56 PM »
I think we are witnessing the birth of some new conspiracy theories surrounding this.  Ranging from the Muslims did it, to the US gov did it, to macron had it done to distract from the disquiet in France. 

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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2019, 08:50:54 PM »
Glenn Beck is already spouting the “Muslims did it” screed, and using a lack of evidence as proof.

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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2019, 09:15:00 PM »
Glenn Beck is already spouting the “Muslims did it” screed, and using a lack of evidence as proof.

Can we Alex Jones him? Basically shut him out of most of his venues?
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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2019, 03:53:22 AM »
3 individuals offered 500 million euros in 24 hours.

Imagine if meagre issues like global warming, hunger, homelessness, etc. would receive a fraction of the attention of the parasitic hoarder class gave to fixing the roof of one pretty church.

At least we see what they could do if they actually started contributing to society.

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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2019, 04:09:31 AM »
Notre Dame de Paris by Victor Hugo was the top downloaded e-book on Project Gutenberg yesterday, passing Pride and Prejudice, which has been in that spot just about forever.
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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2019, 05:14:12 AM »
3 individuals offered 500 million euros in 24 hours.

Imagine if meagre issues like global warming, hunger, homelessness, etc. would receive a fraction of the attention of the parasitic hoarder class gave to fixing the roof of one pretty church.

At least we see what they could do if they actually started contributing to society.

Or if we stopped giving them tax breaks and allowing for loopholes for the sake of them having more money to put back into society.

If they're going to sit on the money (or throw it away on insanely wasteful luxuries which fail to be a way to reduce wealth inequality), then there should be nothing in the way of levying taxes on the very rich.

I would say that this is a terrible event, as far as historical artifacts go. And as a public property that has already been determined to have value for the public at large, I wouldn't mind if public money continues to be spent on it it. Although I wonder why there's no talk about the company that were doing the renovation possibly having to pay out of their insurance, even if France doesn't have insurance on it.

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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2019, 11:07:47 AM »
i'll be honest I expected more sarcasm in this thread, I am pleasantly surprised.
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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2019, 11:17:23 AM »
i'll be honest I expected more sarcasm in this thread, I am pleasantly surprised.

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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2019, 12:51:25 PM »
Paris was something of THE pinnacle of the style, with a stained glass Rose of mind-boggling beauty.

Notre Dame de Paris is considered a prime example of the Middle Gothic "Rayonnant" period, whereas Chartres Cathedral is the prime example of the later High Gothic "Flamboyant" period.

It's amazing that ND's rose window survived the fire.


Once could imagine themselves as a serf or something entering such a place 1,100 years ago--it would be the house of God and the architecture and the art and the beautiful colored light would underline that point to you like nothing else. If it is awe-inspiring now, imagine what it would have looked like to people then-especially once the choral music began.

Medieval Europeans would make pilgrimages to these churches from all over Europe, to show reverence for the artifacts and relics on display. ND allegedly contained the actual crown of thorns used in Jesus' crucifixion. That artifact was rescued from the fire.
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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2019, 01:38:57 PM »

Medieval Europeans would make pilgrimages to these churches from all over Europe, to show reverence for the artifacts and relics on display. ND allegedly contained the actual crown of thorns used in Jesus' crucifixion. That artifact was rescued from the fire.

I wonder if they have radiocarbon dated the crown?
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Re: Notre Dame cathedral fire
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2019, 02:17:40 PM »

Medieval Europeans would make pilgrimages to these churches from all over Europe, to show reverence for the artifacts and relics on display. ND allegedly contained the actual crown of thorns used in Jesus' crucifixion. That artifact was rescued from the fire.

I wonder if they have radiocarbon dated the crown?

Why use scientific dating methods, which have error bars, when you have faith-based dating?  It is 100% accurate, every single time.

 

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