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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2019, 07:40:46 PM »
By the way, doesn't this thread really belong in the Tech forum?

The OP has never posted on the SGU forums before, and so far, has not posted a second time. Probably wasn't familiar with the structure. Or was thinking that the subject is not the tech, but rather how to deal with a tech-phobic family member.
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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2019, 04:36:45 AM »
By the way, doesn't this thread really belong in the Tech forum?

The OP has never posted on the SGU forums before, and so far, has not posted a second time. Probably wasn't familiar with the structure. Or was thinking that the subject is not the tech, but rather how to deal with a tech-phobic family member.

Yeah, I noticed that.

I was thinking maybe this thread ought to be moved, but on second thought I don't want to be the guy always burdening the mods with trivial requests.

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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2019, 09:46:07 AM »
Looking for good links to use to explain without jargon to a non-science based family member that 5G cell phones or 5G smart devices are not capable of being weaponized in the way she's afraid.

Unfortunately, it might be a problem.  Not that they can be set to explode or somesuch, but that they are rife for exploitation by foreign powers who are (potentially) setting up the network, and building the hardware.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/11/702355542/the-race-is-on-for-control-of-5g-wireless-communications-and-china-is-in-the-lea

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Well, Huawei really is China. You can think of it that way. And China, through its Belt Road Initiative and its other industrial policies, is planning to connect most homes to fiber and advanced wireless. And also, more than 80 countries and 65 percent of the world's population is touched by the Belt Road Initiative, which will include fiber and advanced wireless. Huawei is a big part of that story.

And the risk from the American point of view is that if China can control or influence all of that, it means all the elements of the information services supply chain from data transport to what apps can be used, as Secretary Pompeo mentions, to the analytics and artificial intelligence apply to those apps for advertising and very targeted locational services, that will all be in China's hands.

Mainly because we have forgotten the value of government intervention.

Beyond cyber-weaponization, there is also the problem with no net neutrality and customer exploitation that 5g tech enables:

https://www.wired.com/story/china-will-likely-corner-5g-market-us-no-plan/

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A crucial element of 5G is to give wireless companies the ability to monetize their services more effectively, to ensure they’ll never again be treated like "dumb pipes" by online businesses they don't control. For carriers or network providers, the great advance of 5G is “network slicing,” which will allow carriers to create, on the fly, multiple customized virtual private networks for particular customers or applications. This will create a high-priced, services-based, perfectly-billed-for ecosystem that’s very different from the 4G world.

In effect, each 5G carrier will be able to define its network from moment to moment, charge whatever it wants for heavily marketed levels of service differentiation, and act as a gatekeeper for applications seeking entry. This allows for unlimited pricing power and deeply undermines the internet protocol’s basic premise—that any computer could speak to another using the same basic language. Instead, transport of bits will be completely software-defined and virtualized: Think proprietary cable network instead of internet access.

So 5g will likely be "weaponized" against consumers.


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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2019, 12:53:54 PM »
It does look like adding 5g changes the design quite a bit.

common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2019, 08:46:38 PM »
Kindly ask her to disregard anything found on Natural News or Infowars-

"...5G deploying as a weapon system... Finally today, see the first video below which explains how 5G wireless technology can be used as a directional weapon system to target and even execute certain individuals living within the range of 5G."

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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2019, 10:05:25 PM »
Kindly ask her to disregard anything found on Natural News or Infowars-

"...5G deploying as a weapon system... Finally today, see the first video below which explains how 5G wireless technology can be used as a directional weapon system to target and even execute certain individuals living within the range of 5G."

-Mike Adams, 33rd Degree Wingnut

So that's where the "weapons" idea came from?!?

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2019, 02:55:16 AM »
Kindly ask her to disregard anything found on Natural News or Infowars-

"...5G deploying as a weapon system... Finally today, see the first video below which explains how 5G wireless technology can be used as a directional weapon system to target and even execute certain individuals living within the range of 5G."

-Mike Adams, 33rd Degree Wingnut

So that's where the "weapons" idea came from?!?

I’m sure there are others, anyone in the “alternative” or truther-spheres mainly, who couldn't wait to call 5G dangerous. The weaponization of everyday/benign occurrences are mainly pushed by the Alex Jones types. Unfortunately there are millions of people who hang on his/their every word so explaining how things like radiation works can be an uphill battle. It’s hard enough talking about the effectiveness of a flu shot without someone parroting how it’s actually a race-based, binary bioweapon that kills you when your late-50s hormones kick in and trigger the dormant toxins living in your bloodstream. Alex Jones has said this more than once. And people listen...
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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2019, 06:24:07 AM »
It’s hard enough talking about the effectiveness of a flu shot without someone parroting how it’s actually a race-based, binary bioweapon that kills you when your late-50s hormones kick in and trigger the dormant toxins living in your bloodstream. Alex Jones has said this more than once. And people listen...

The flip-side of that is the assertion that the statistical rise in previously dormant pathogens is the old canard that immigrants are bringing it in. That particular bit of nationalist rhetoric actually predates the Nazis.

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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2019, 09:40:37 AM »
Found this article posted by the SGU on facebook.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/science/5g-phone-safety-health-russia.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

I have not read it yet but the headline is:
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Your 5G Phone Won’t Hurt You. But Russia Wants You to Think Otherwise.

The short version, Russian Today(RT) has been running a bunch of stories about the dangers of 5g.  There doesn't appear to be anything particularly new.   Same scares associated with Cell Phones and other new technology just that its really bad this time for some reason.   It just seems to be Putin's general desire to fuck with the West and the US in particular. 
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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2019, 05:33:53 PM »
Found this article posted by the SGU on facebook.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/12/science/5g-phone-safety-health-russia.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

I have not read it yet but the headline is:
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Your 5G Phone Won’t Hurt You. But Russia Wants You to Think Otherwise.

The short version, Russian Today(RT) has been running a bunch of stories about the dangers of 5g.  There doesn't appear to be anything particularly new.   Same scares associated with Cell Phones and other new technology just that its really bad this time for some reason.   It just seems to be Putin's general desire to fuck with the West and the US in particular.

Today's Skeptoid mentions the RT bit along with there being no known mechanism for any harm.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4677
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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2019, 05:43:29 PM »
Microwaves are readily absorbed by water. As far as we know, the only thing they do to biology tissue at the broadcasts power we use is heat it up slightly.

The cell radio chipset typically has its own embedded firmware that strictly controls the broadcast power of the device. Technically, this could be hacked to give a cell radio slightly more broadcast power than it should, but not by a large amount, the amplifier in the radio can't generate enough microwaves for you to notice the heat, since we are typically talking about a fraction of a watt, or a couple of watts dispersing in all directions (inverse square law).

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Re: 5G cell phones weapons
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2019, 01:54:36 PM »
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