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Re: Episode #721
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2019, 09:24:07 PM »
STEM funding vs. arts funding is a false dichotomy. We need more money for EDUCATION across the board. Everything is related to everything else. Sure, there's a mathematical side to music, and science can be applied to art.

But art is not stem, and to claim they belong in the same category (other than the category of EDUCATION) is just silly. Horses and earthworms are both animals. But we don't try to say that earthworms are mammals just because they and horses are both animals.

Except the evidence is that students who take music classes do better in math classes and students doing well in math do better in music.

And, no, that's not a false dichotomy. That's actually a reality of education funding in the US at every level from pre-K through post graduate.

There is a limited budget and numerous interests competing for each dollar. Both STEM and the Arts have suffered more than other areas (thanks Republicans!) and they are natural allies in the budge fight.

Arts is stronger with STEM. STEM is stronger with Arts. Both are weaker without each other.

But, you know what? If it was STEMPE (Science Technology Engineering Math Physical-Education) and it got more money for STEM, that would be fine too.

Let's not get all OCD about categories.

Let's find something that works.

You are correct that we need more money for Education in general. But, until that happens we have to fight for every dollar.
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Re: Episode #721
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2019, 06:30:15 AM »
Could you give more details about which circumstances you're comparing? If they're taking optional classes, it could be more about their background than about the activity itself.

I like to point to Finland, where private education is limited, and they have very good results. Seemingly because education is a common project, rather than something that privileged groups can get a better quality of than others.

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Re: Episode #721
« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2019, 09:50:42 AM »
Also, since randomness can be clumpy, is there a chance that he could have accidentally wiped out just one gender of a race or species somewhere? “Oops...”

I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned at all in the podcast. Probability distribution shows that the more civilizations there are, the more likely there will be at least one that gets really dicked over. Because the 1/2 culling isn't a per-civilization basis (it's overall) that means that one planet could have 95%+ of its population wiped out while another only has 5%. Extreme, unlikely outcomes are more likely to occur the more trials there are.

It would not have been impossible for the entire Avenger team to have been wiped out. Instead, a clean 1/2 was eliminated which demonstrates bias in how we think about statistics.

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Re: Episode #721
« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2019, 10:30:47 AM »
Also, since randomness can be clumpy, is there a chance that he could have accidentally wiped out just one gender of a race or species somewhere? “Oops...”

I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned at all in the podcast. Probability distribution shows that the more civilizations there are, the more likely there will be at least one that gets really dicked over. Because the 1/2 culling isn't a per-civilization basis (it's overall) that means that one planet could have 95%+ of its population wiped out while another only has 5%. Extreme, unlikely outcomes are more likely to occur the more trials there are.

It would not have been impossible for the entire Avenger team to have been wiped out. Instead, a clean 1/2 was eliminated which demonstrates bias in how we think about statistics.
Of course, thanos could have made part of his wish unstated to the audience.  Its pretty clear he actually meant 1/2 of all animal(or perhaps just sentient animal) life on every inhabited planet.  Perhaps he had given a great deal of thought and also included, "1/2 of each sex required to propigate the species."  The whole thing is quite silly if you think about it, there must of been a whole bunch of buts on this "1/2 of all life" thing.  We even see it at the end of Infinity War.  We don't see any plants get wiped out.   Except groot, I don't remember if Groot was killed or not. 

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Re: Episode #721
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2019, 10:37:48 AM »

There is a limited budget and numerous interests competing for each dollar. Both STEM and the Arts have suffered more than other areas (thanks Republicans!) and they are natural allies in the budge fight.

What is the basis for your belief that education spending is actually the problem. 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

Granted, a bit more of that is private money and we all no government money does a better job, still.  The short version is, much like medicine, we spend more and get about the same or less than others.