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Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« on: May 07, 2019, 12:10:51 AM »
That was one of the scariest episodes I have ever watched on TV, it made my heart pound, it infuriated and upset me, I have to believe it was over dramatized or was it?

I expected problematic government ignorance and interference but how could all those technicians, engineers, scientists and even the fire brigade be that ignorant?

The lead guy kept saying it was impossible for the core to blow up but he acted strangely through the whole episode.  Was it shock, denial, pride, or ignorance, it was hard to tell.  Fuck that guy, I was never so happy to watch someone keel over with radiation sickness before which I guess was the intention although watching the others die and his realization that it was his fault was stunning.

Its an emotional show. Cant wait for the next episode.

One minor critique was that I had trouble with a few British accents which were unusually strong.
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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2019, 08:07:40 PM »
One minor critique was that I had trouble with a few British accents which were unusually strong.

Is that a critique of the show or of you?
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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 09:05:01 PM »
As a piece of entertainment, I really enjoyed it, but I do have some questions about its accuracy.  For instance, I was reading some quote from first responding fire fighters who said they absolutely did know about the hazards of radiation, but went in anyway to protect the surrounding city.  Then again, I understand there is a lot of Soviet propaganda surrounding the events in question too, so I imagine that just about any detail may come with a certain amount of controversy, especially when it comes to the initial accident and response.

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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 09:42:50 PM »
One minor critique was that I had trouble with a few British accents which were unusually strong.

Is that a critique of the show or of you?

Of the show.

Why would it be about me having trouble understanding an accent I didn’t grow up with?

Some were unusually strong and the show was made for both audiences.  I would not expect someone from the UK to completely understand a heavy southern American urban accent either. The film makers would normally tone it down. 

edit: it really was a minor issue that did not take away from the viewing experience.  I'm glad they didn't have fake Russian accents.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2019, 08:23:49 AM »
One minor critique was that I had trouble with a few British accents which were unusually strong.

Is that a critique of the show or of you?

Of the show.

Why would it be about me having trouble understanding an accent I didn’t grow up with?

I disagree with your comment as a criticism of the show.  I grew up in the US, and I had no trouble understanding any of the actors.


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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2019, 02:10:30 PM »
One minor critique was that I had trouble with a few British accents which were unusually strong.

Is that a critique of the show or of you?

Of the show.

Why would it be about me having trouble understanding an accent I didn’t grow up with?

I disagree with your comment as a criticism of the show.  I grew up in the US, and I had no trouble understanding any of the actors.


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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 06:24:11 AM »
One minor critique was that I had trouble with a few British accents which were unusually strong.

Is that a critique of the show or of you?

Of the show.

Why would it be about me having trouble understanding an accent I didn’t grow up with?

I disagree with your comment as a criticism of the show.  I grew up in the US, and I had no trouble understanding any of the actors.


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I often need subtitles when watching shows with thick Brit accents. "Eastenders", for example, or "The Young Ones." I admit to having a tin ear.
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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2019, 06:56:50 AM »
There was a section of the show in Russian this week with no subtitles. The context was understood, "evacuate" yea I get it but I would like to know what the people were being told.

I like how its going, The way Boris handled both Valery and the two idiots in charge of the plant was highly satisfying. It was a great way to show that this man is smart on top of his arrogance. It was really interesting watching him go from "I am in charge" to completely broken by the situation which he had absolutely no control over.

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Also there was a great 24 frame playback scene with actual news footage that excited me a bit. It was short but well done.
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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2019, 07:04:22 AM »
Let me know if they update us on the earthworms.
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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 09:21:05 AM »
I need to watch this.
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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2019, 02:50:37 AM »
Good grief... I've never had a show make me feel so uneasy with so little directly represented on screen.  The direction of this show is off the charts amazing and I cannot wait for the next episode.

On a more skeptical note, in the post episode interview segment, they mention that the nuclear scientist from Minsk, Ulana Khomyuk, is a fictional character created to serve as an amalgam of 100+ scientists who all worked together to not only address the issue but also solve the mystery of what happened so that they could ensure it wouldn't happen again.  While I 100% understand the creative implications of representing 100+ experts working over long periods of time on super detailed problems that are way beyond the comprehension of just about any viewer, I have to wonder about the impact that decision has on the public's perception of science and how it's carried out.  Coming away from this episode, we are left believing that 2 people are heroes and smart enough to figure out that these problems exist and how to address them and not 100s of people working together.  I wonder if it doesn't prime the public to believe that 1 scientist saying something is enough to counter the rest of them saying the opposite and primes them to expect and praise the lone hero speaking out against the common narrative.  I don't argue that this show made the wrong decision or anything and I don't argue that this show in and of itself will do much harm, but I do wonder about the cumulative effect of endless amounts of reasonable decisions made like this.  Thoughts?  Should this be another thread?

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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2019, 04:07:17 AM »
Good grief... I've never had a show make me feel so uneasy with so little directly represented on screen.  The direction of this show is off the charts amazing and I cannot wait for the next episode.

On a more skeptical note, in the post episode interview segment, they mention that the nuclear scientist from Minsk, Ulana Khomyuk, is a fictional character created to serve as an amalgam of 100+ scientists who all worked together to not only address the issue but also solve the mystery of what happened so that they could ensure it wouldn't happen again.  While I 100% understand the creative implications of representing 100+ experts working over long periods of time on super detailed problems that are way beyond the comprehension of just about any viewer, I have to wonder about the impact that decision has on the public's perception of science and how it's carried out.  Coming away from this episode, we are left believing that 2 people are heroes and smart enough to figure out that these problems exist and how to address them and not 100s of people working together.  I wonder if it doesn't prime the public to believe that 1 scientist saying something is enough to counter the rest of them saying the opposite and primes them to expect and praise the lone hero speaking out against the common narrative.  I don't argue that this show made the wrong decision or anything and I don't argue that this show in and of itself will do much harm, but I do wonder about the cumulative effect of endless amounts of reasonable decisions made like this.  Thoughts?  Should this be another thread?

I felt the same way. I was happy some smart people were finally showing up but I kept wondering why they weren't calling in a team or other known smart people.

 I don't think it was anti science as much as it was anti Soviet socialism. The show made it look like the state was to blame for there not being 100 experts.
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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2019, 06:57:03 AM »
Perhaps "The China Syndrome" redux? Haven't watched it yet.
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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2019, 11:18:28 AM »
I've re-watched both episodes.  It's really good, the eerie scary feeling I got I'm wondering if that's because I KNOW what Chernobyl is.  I wonder how this is playing with the younger crowd who are completely unaware (or only peripherally aware) of what Chernobyl is.

I'm also wondering if some of the stats cited by the lead scientist are accurate:  'It's spewing a Hiroshima Bomb into the atmosphere every hour' and such.  I'm curious how accurate those are.

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Re: Chernobyl (HBO) discussion (spoilers)
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2019, 03:43:17 PM »
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