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MCU character powers and issues therewith. [SPOILERS]
« on: May 14, 2019, 09:14:29 AM »
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Vision seemed rather weak in "Infinity Wars", or did I miss something?

Carol Danvers, aka Captain Marvel, is the second character in the movies to be "born of an infinity stone", for lack of a better term. Is this right?
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2019, 09:21:57 AM »
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver also got their powers from Infinity stones if I recall?


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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2019, 09:28:22 AM »
Carol Danvers was the first chronologically, but the last in movie releases.

The vision was stabbed in the back by a plot device.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2019, 10:56:44 AM »
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver also got their powers from Infinity stones if I recall?
The difference, I think, would that the twin were "treated" with the stone while Vision and Carol Dangerous contained or absorbed them. I don't know canon on that.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2019, 11:25:28 AM »
The vision was stabbed in the back by a plot device.

I dunno that it was a plot device, though some others agree with you. Vision and Wanda were caught by surprise by enemies far more powerful than they had ever fought. The enemy's power was established in that scene. It was part of the plot, sure, but it didn't feel contrived or forced to me. It was following through on Thanos' finally losing patience: "Fine. I'll do it myself."
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 02:18:55 PM »
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver also got their powers from Infinity stones if I recall?
The difference, I think, would that the twin were "treated" with the stone while Vision and Carol Dangerous contained or absorbed them. I don't know canon on that.
Carol cant have absorbed the whole stone though because it still exists outside of her right?
Seems like she was just bitten by a radioactive stone.

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 05:51:18 PM »
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver also got their powers from Infinity stones if I recall?
The difference, I think, would that the twin were "treated" with the stone while Vision and Carol Dangerous contained or absorbed them. I don't know canon on that.
Carol cant have absorbed the whole stone though because it still exists outside of her right?
Seems like she was just bitten by a radioactive stone.
Okay, as I remember the dialog Jude Law or one of his troops said she absorbed the energy source when Mar-vell shot it. No way to check that here.
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 09:41:01 PM »
In the MCU she's powered by the Space Stone (ultimately). It's contained in the Tesseract at the time, so it's powers are modulated in some way. I'd guess she's infused with its energy in a manner not unlike Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch were infused with the energy of the Mind Stone. Wanda was powerful enough to destroy the Mind Stone, but (IIRC) that didn't remove her powers. Carol seems to have been hit with a bigger dose and have Kree mods to her, which could explain her greater power level.

None of these are like what happened to Jane Foster in T:TDW, when the Reality Stone (contained in that red liquid form) infused her. Like the other two, she never held the naked stone.

...Side note, how are Quicksilver's powers related to the Mind Stone? I wonder if he was tweaked by the Tesseract / Mind Stone instead? Hm.

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2019, 06:22:26 AM »
[dodge]The effects of the stone on people can be unpredictable.[/dodge]
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2019, 07:34:30 AM »
[dodge]The effects of the stone on people can be unpredictable.[/dodge]
Agreed. I was just thinking that Hydra would have had access to the Tesseract for quite a while when they were kids. It's possible they used the sceptre on her and the cube on him, given what their powers ended up being.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2019, 08:24:20 AM »
[dodge]The effects of the stone on people can be unpredictable.[/dodge]
Agreed. I was just thinking that Hydra would have had access to the Tesseract for quite a while when they were kids. It's possible they used the sceptre on her and the cube on him, given what their powers ended up being.
It could be that the twins were the first ones to survive the treatment Hydra was working on. They may have been the first survivors of the treatment.

BTW:

"Where did Strucker say we were headed with this Scepter?"
"Sokovia. We've been securing a base out here while their current "liberator-of-the-month" rebellion provides the cover."

(https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/HYDRA_Research_Base).

The bald weasel tells Rumlow to "notify Dr. List" when they obtain the scepter. (IIRC) So Hydra would have had it since "Avengers Assemble." That suggests that the twins may have been treated in early puberty, when the body is undergoing significant changes already. /swag
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