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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #540 on: February 11, 2020, 07:52:51 PM »
It isn't even necessary to eat grains and beans at different times of the day.  The idea that vegetable proteins aren't "whole" is a myth.  Soy, by the way, has a protein quality score almost equal to beef.

I was under the impression that grains are deficient in lysine, and that beans, while high in lysine, were deficient in something else. Eat both (even if at different times) and you get closer to the ideal ratio of amino acids, that being the ratio the body utilizes.
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #541 on: February 11, 2020, 08:27:40 PM »
It isn't even necessary to eat grains and beans at different times of the day.  The idea that vegetable proteins aren't "whole" is a myth.  Soy, by the way, has a protein quality score almost equal to beef.

I was under the impression that grains are deficient in lysine, and that beans, while high in lysine, were deficient in something else. Eat both (even if at different times) and you get closer to the ideal ratio of amino acids, that being the ratio the body utilizes.

Well, you don't need an ’ideal ratio of amino acids.’  You just need adequate protein, and an adequate minimum quantity of each of the essential amino acids.  If you're consuming excess quantities of one or more essential amino acids compared to other essential amino acids, then the excess will be just ’burned’ for energy, and not incorporated into body protein.
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #542 on: February 11, 2020, 08:46:52 PM »
It isn't even necessary to eat grains and beans at different times of the day.  The idea that vegetable proteins aren't "whole" is a myth.  Soy, by the way, has a protein quality score almost equal to beef.

I was under the impression that grains are deficient in lysine, and that beans, while high in lysine, were deficient in something else. Eat both (even if at different times) and you get closer to the ideal ratio of amino acids, that being the ratio the body utilizes.

Well, you don't need an ’ideal ratio of amino acids.’  You just need adequate protein, and an adequate minimum quantity of each of the essential amino acids.  If you're consuming excess quantities of one or more essential amino acids compared to other essential amino acids, then the excess will be just ’burned’ for energy, and not incorporated into body protein.


Right.  And, in practice, if your total calorie intake is sufficient, then your total protein intake as well as your intake of every essential amino acid will be sufficient, regardless of the composition of your diet.  So vegetarians don't have to worry about protein intake or amino acid ratios.
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #543 on: February 11, 2020, 08:53:41 PM »
One of the things I like about tofu and beans is that they provide excellent protein (when combined with whole grains) but are nothing at all like meat in either taste or texture.

This business of having to combine beans with grains to form a "complete" protein is a myth.  Protein malnutrition is virtually unknown, except in combination with calorie malnutrition.  In other words, no matter what your diet is, if you are consuming enough calories, you are also consuming enough protein and essential amino acids.

Diet for a Small Planet said we needed to eat legumes and grains together in the same meal.

My understanding is that book, written (as usual) by an author with no background in nutrition, started the myth.

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Are you saying that a diet containing no animal products and no legumes at all has enough protein?

Not only enough protein, but enough of every essential amino acid.  If you ate nothing but bread, as long as you were eating enough of it to meet your daily energy requirements, you'd get enough protein and essential amino acids. 

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FWIW, when I quit eating meat the majority opinion in the U.S. (and in my family) was that you cannot be healthy without eating meat. My mother, who was a very intelligent woman, thought that I'd damage my health by becoming vegetarian. (Not even vegan, just ovo-lacto-vegetarian.)

It was exactly the same for me.  I was a vegetarian for 20 years, beginning at age 14.  Everybody thought I wouldn't get enough protein.
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #544 on: February 11, 2020, 11:55:10 PM »
Honestly after all that I'm about to start a diet.  Actually I "started" it before the trip but suspended it for the last minute work/vacation  >:D

What I am seeing is that the plant based meat is now something I need to avoid.



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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #545 on: February 12, 2020, 02:51:24 AM »
What I am seeing is that the plant based meat is now something I need to avoid.


Why do you think that?
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #546 on: February 12, 2020, 03:10:21 AM »
What I am seeing is that the plant based meat is now something I need to avoid.


Why do you think that?

it appears to have too many calories and too much fat, the fast food versions even more so. Same with real burgers. I don't know for sure yet i'm just trying to grasp how to build a diet that will work for me.

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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #547 on: February 12, 2020, 03:18:00 AM »
"I became a vegetarian and only the planet got healthier."
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #548 on: February 12, 2020, 04:39:56 AM »
Too much demand for quarters of our home killed steers.  Some missed out tis round.  Bummer, but we were first in line... got all the good bits, liver, kidney, heart, tounge cheeks and tail... yum.
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #549 on: February 12, 2020, 06:11:55 AM »
Too much demand for quarters of our home killed steers.  Some missed out tis round.  Bummer, but we were first in line... got all the good bits, liver, kidney, heart, tounge cheeks and tail... yum.

Spillover.  Also meat eating seems to have caused your spelling to deteriorate.  What exactly is ’tounge?’
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #550 on: February 12, 2020, 10:37:57 AM »
Too much demand for quarters of our home killed steers.  Some missed out tis round.  Bummer, but we were first in line... got all the good bits, liver, kidney, heart, tounge cheeks and tail... yum.

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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #551 on: February 12, 2020, 11:59:35 AM »
Too much demand for quarters of our home killed steers.  Some missed out tis round.  Bummer, but we were first in line... got all the good bits, liver, kidney, heart, tounge cheeks and tail... yum.

Spillover.  Also meat eating seems to have caused your spelling to deteriorate.  What exactly is ’tounge?’

You are more pedantic than my (editor) wife.  Grammar (and spelling) Nazis are entirely too tedious to endure sometimes.
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #552 on: February 12, 2020, 12:26:40 PM »
Too much demand for quarters of our home killed steers.  Some missed out tis round.  Bummer, but we were first in line... got all the good bits, liver, kidney, heart, tounge cheeks and tail... yum.

Spillover.  Also meat eating seems to have caused your spelling to deteriorate.  What exactly is ’tounge?’

You are more pedantic than my (editor) wife.  Grammar (and spelling) Nazis are entirely too tedious to endure sometimes.

Glad you are doing well with your steers. Why dont you start a "meat thread" I would be happy to join you there too. I wonder if the vegans will invade it and start talking off topic about their vegetable garden harvest.  LOL >:D 


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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #553 on: February 12, 2020, 01:19:34 PM »
Too much demand for quarters of our home killed steers.  Some missed out tis round.  Bummer, but we were first in line... got all the good bits, liver, kidney, heart, tounge cheeks and tail... yum.
In case you've missed it the last 50 times you've been told, it's fucking obnoxious when you come into every thread about plant based diets to only brag about your meat-eating and slaughtering. And they say vegans are obnoxious...  ::)
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Re: Beyond Burger 2.0
« Reply #554 on: February 12, 2020, 07:36:25 PM »
Too much demand for quarters of our home killed steers.  Some missed out tis round.  Bummer, but we were first in line... got all the good bits, liver, kidney, heart, tounge cheeks and tail... yum.
In case you've missed it the last 50 times you've been told, it's fucking obnoxious when you come into every thread about plant based diets to only brag about your meat-eating and slaughtering. And they say vegans are obnoxious...  ::)

Vegans are obnoxious.  And as some like Lierre Kieth found, dangerous.
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