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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #90 on: July 30, 2019, 10:23:17 PM »
Shibboleth, that's a fascinating idea. I bet it could be used to morph eye position - as Apple is starting to do - so we actually look like we're looking at the camera in a video call.

The Stuff You Should Know guys did an ep on this topic this week. I'd put them in the 3/4 range for oveall accuracy - normal for them, and significantly higher than most shows where I know what's what.

I enjoy their banter - which is a significant portion of the show. They're one of the oldest podcasts out there, so they're doing something appealing. :)

https://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podcasts/will-deepfakes-ruin-the-world.htm
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #91 on: July 30, 2019, 10:29:05 PM »
I've tried listening to a few episodes, but they always sound like they have no idea what they're talking about.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #92 on: July 31, 2019, 01:40:34 AM »
I also tried listening to that podcast, but found their explanations of things I do know so muddled and often plain wrong that I didn’t trust anything they said that I didn’t already know.  Kinda made the whole exercise pointless.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #93 on: July 31, 2019, 08:22:15 AM »
I listened to a few episodes of Stuff You Should Know about 10 years ago, but had to quit in disgust at their fear-mongering about fluoride, and enthusiastic endorsement of alt-med practices like chiropractic and colonic irrigation.

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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #94 on: July 31, 2019, 08:48:56 AM »
Yeah, I'm not endorsing their accuracy in general. I like their banter and use the topics as a starting point for further learning, generally. In this case a layperson with no idea what deepfakes are would come away with a reasonably accurate orientation to the topic.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #95 on: July 31, 2019, 09:38:13 PM »
Yeah, I'm not endorsing their accuracy in general. I like their banter and use the topics as a starting point for further learning, generally. In this case a layperson with no idea what deepfakes are would come away with a reasonably accurate orientation to the topic.

But, because of the source, would have no way of knowing whether that ‘orientation’ was accurate or utter bullshit, which makes the information worthless.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #96 on: July 31, 2019, 11:50:31 PM »
Yeah, I'm not endorsing their accuracy in general. I like their banter and use the topics as a starting point for further learning, generally. In this case a layperson with no idea what deepfakes are would come away with a reasonably accurate orientation to the topic.

But, because of the source, would have no way of knowing whether that ‘orientation’ was accurate or utter bullshit, which makes the information worthless.

In this specific case I am saying that based on my knowledge this episode is accurate enough to be worthwhile for a layperson. The hosts are personable and engaging, which helps with the 'layperson listening' part.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #97 on: August 01, 2019, 01:56:22 AM »
Yeah, I'm not endorsing their accuracy in general. I like their banter and use the topics as a starting point for further learning, generally. In this case a layperson with no idea what deepfakes are would come away with a reasonably accurate orientation to the topic.

But, because of the source, would have no way of knowing whether that ‘orientation’ was accurate or utter bullshit, which makes the information worthless.

In this specific case I am saying that based on my knowledge this episode is accurate enough to be worthwhile for a layperson. The hosts are personable and engaging, which helps with the 'layperson listening' part.

My point is that, however personable the hosts, information they give is useless to a ‘layperson listening’ if he cannot know it’s value without already knowing it.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #98 on: August 01, 2019, 01:59:06 AM »
Yeah, I'm not endorsing their accuracy in general. I like their banter and use the topics as a starting point for further learning, generally. In this case a layperson with no idea what deepfakes are would come away with a reasonably accurate orientation to the topic.

But, because of the source, would have no way of knowing whether that ‘orientation’ was accurate or utter bullshit, which makes the information worthless.

In this specific case I am saying that based on my knowledge this episode is accurate enough to be worthwhile for a layperson. The hosts are personable and engaging, which helps with the 'layperson listening' part.

My point is that information is useless to a ‘layperson listening’ if, because of the poor quality of the source, he cannot know the value of any information he does not already know.

If the layperson listening had never listened to the podcast before, they wouldn't have any basis to determine the value of the information. It would just be information.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #99 on: August 01, 2019, 02:05:12 AM »
Yeah, I'm not endorsing their accuracy in general. I like their banter and use the topics as a starting point for further learning, generally. In this case a layperson with no idea what deepfakes are would come away with a reasonably accurate orientation to the topic.

But, because of the source, would have no way of knowing whether that ‘orientation’ was accurate or utter bullshit, which makes the information worthless.

In this specific case I am saying that based on my knowledge this episode is accurate enough to be worthwhile for a layperson. The hosts are personable and engaging, which helps with the 'layperson listening' part.

My point is that information is useless to a ‘layperson listening’ if, because of the poor quality of the source, he cannot know the value of any information he does not already know.

If the layperson listening had never listened to the podcast before, they wouldn't have any basis to determine the value of the information. It would just be information.

Information on which they should not rely because the people giving it are bullshit artists. This is like quoting Donald Trump as a source because he happens to have said something that’s not a lie once. Whether the thing he said is true or not, his words are useless because he’s a liar.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #100 on: August 01, 2019, 02:11:13 AM »
Yeah, I'm not endorsing their accuracy in general. I like their banter and use the topics as a starting point for further learning, generally. In this case a layperson with no idea what deepfakes are would come away with a reasonably accurate orientation to the topic.

But, because of the source, would have no way of knowing whether that ‘orientation’ was accurate or utter bullshit, which makes the information worthless.

In this specific case I am saying that based on my knowledge this episode is accurate enough to be worthwhile for a layperson. The hosts are personable and engaging, which helps with the 'layperson listening' part.

My point is that information is useless to a ‘layperson listening’ if, because of the poor quality of the source, he cannot know the value of any information he does not already know.

If the layperson listening had never listened to the podcast before, they wouldn't have any basis to determine the value of the information. It would just be information.

Information on which they should not rely because the people giving it are bullshit artists. This is like quoting Donald Trump as a source because he happens to have said something that’s not a lie once. Whether the thing he said is true or not, his words are useless because he’s a liar.

But without having listened to the show before, they have no way to know that.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #101 on: August 01, 2019, 09:08:37 AM »
Yeah, I'm not endorsing their accuracy in general. I like their banter and use the topics as a starting point for further learning, generally. In this case a layperson with no idea what deepfakes are would come away with a reasonably accurate orientation to the topic.

But, because of the source, would have no way of knowing whether that ‘orientation’ was accurate or utter bullshit, which makes the information worthless.

In this specific case I am saying that based on my knowledge this episode is accurate enough to be worthwhile for a layperson. The hosts are personable and engaging, which helps with the 'layperson listening' part.

My point is that information is useless to a ‘layperson listening’ if, because of the poor quality of the source, he cannot know the value of any information he does not already know.

If the layperson listening had never listened to the podcast before, they wouldn't have any basis to determine the value of the information. It would just be information.

Information on which they should not rely because the people giving it are bullshit artists. This is like quoting Donald Trump as a source because he happens to have said something that’s not a lie once. Whether the thing he said is true or not, his words are useless because he’s a liar.

I don't understand your apparant hostility here. I agree that an unreliable source should not be trusted blindly.

*This episode* has information that is *accurate enough* for a *basic orientation* to the topic.

I would be comfortable suggesting a non-podcast-listening friend give this single episode a listen within the constraints noted above. That judgement is based on my expertise (limited as it is) and my assessment of their accuracy.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #102 on: August 01, 2019, 08:06:07 PM »
I get the impression that their level of accuracy is highly variable, not that everything that they say is bullshit. They are unreliable, but you can't prejudge any single subject they talk about.

For me it was their delivery that put me off, not the quality of the information.
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #103 on: August 01, 2019, 08:55:55 PM »
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Re: All Deepfake research must be terminated. Society is not ready.
« Reply #104 on: August 07, 2019, 12:53:01 AM »
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