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Title: SGU-Uncut
Post by: Steven Novella on January 27, 2007, 04:41:26 PM
Well, the new episode is up and it has the first of the interviews from TAM5. As we explain on the show, we have more content then we can use for the weekly podcast, so we are going to take the opportunity to begin something that we have been planning for awhile.

Namely, the Skeptics Guide Uncut.

We are going to create (probably in the next week or two) a separate podcast called the Skeptics Guide Uncut and will use that to post bonus material (such as the much requested blooper reels) and uncut long interviews. Unlike the SGU, however, this bonus material will not be free. We are planning on charging $1.99 per download, with episodes averaging about an hour.

This will in no way detract from our weekly free podcast. We will use it only to bring extra material to our listeners that we would otherwise not use. Also, this is great way for our listeners to painlessly support the NESS and the SGU while getting bonus material to boot.

Any suggestions for the kinds of material you would like to see, or anything else, please let us know on this thread.
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Post by: mickal777 on January 27, 2007, 04:57:55 PM
Well I'll be buying it if I can (Please paypal!).
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Post by: Ciro on January 27, 2007, 05:07:50 PM
This sounds great, Steve! Will it be sold on the iTunes Music Store? Will there be any way to purchase them directly from SGU (I'd rather give you the full $1.99 than let Apple take a cut... I've given Apple way too much money in the last few years)
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Post by: jason on January 27, 2007, 05:15:09 PM
Paypal would be ideal, as it works out cheaper than credit card for those us paying in foreign currency. I don't believe iTunes offers that as an option, though; I'd also rather give my money directly to the SGU/NESS than give Apple a cut, though I can understand that the iTunes route is probably much easier to administer.

Either way, I'll be buying. :)
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Post by: Noah R. Miller on January 27, 2007, 08:22:17 PM
So is this going to be the show + extra material or just the extra material?
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Post by: IRON MAN on January 27, 2007, 08:51:22 PM
(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6071/18do2.png)

"Oh, so that's your little plan ...  get us addicted then jack up the price!"



(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4986/homercharacter1sj1.jpg)

"Okay, mysterious computer voices.  I'll pay your lousy $1.99 on one condition ..."



(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6086/homer20simpson20oh20noja4.jpg)

"Don't leave me alone with all these non-skeptical psychos!"




I'm just kidding of course.  I don't take the OP to mean that the original podcast will involve a cost.  But even if it did, I would pay to listen to it.  

I have been suggesting ideas myself on how they should go about making money for their skeptical organisations.


Here's my latest one:  Skeptical Ringtones.

I saw a Yellow Bamboo vid on Youtube, where in one comment a guy suggested how cool it would be to have the Yellow Bamboo loser yelling as his ringtone.

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Ownedyou (7 months ago)
I want that sexy bamboo scream as my ringtone....

(Reply)  
IRONxMANxatxIIDB (5 days ago)
Dude I almost choked on a corn chip when I read that. That idea is bloody genius!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ykNZ7rAcw


How cool would it be to have cool skeptical sounds and quotes as a ringtone?  

Personally I would like to have the court recording of US District Judge Casey Rodgers sentencing Kent Hovind, so everytime the phone rang I would be reminded of it.

There's a lot of money in ringtones right?  And they are easy to deliver.


Note:  I edited this post after Ole made the next post - so he is not referring to my idea as great, but I suspect the OP.
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Post by: Ole Eivind on January 27, 2007, 08:57:01 PM
Sounds great!
I would also appreciate paypal.

There really is a Zappa quote for every occasion;
"If we can't be free, at least we can be cheap"
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Post by: chris on January 27, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
I'd like to hear a bloopers show.
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Post by: Mike on January 27, 2007, 10:44:47 PM
This is a great idea! Count me in on this.  I would LOVE to hear the blooper reels in their full R-Rated glory.

Especially about monkeys, birds and bacon. ;)
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Post by: Jay on January 28, 2007, 12:39:07 AM
The pay content is not going to follow the regular show format.  The bloopers probably wont need any lengthy explanations from us.   May a little talk about how silly they are and what episode it was taken from. The extra content from TAM5 will have us talking about the interview and also discussing in greater detail the circumstances behind it.  I'm really excited about this extra content.  I hope you guys enjoy it.
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Post by: Mike on January 28, 2007, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: "Jay"
The pay content is not going to follow the regular show format.  The bloopers probably wont need any lengthy explanations from us.   May a little talk about how silly they are and what episode it was taken from. The extra content from TAM5 will have us talking about the interview and also discussing in greater detail the circumstances behind it.  I'm really excited about this extra content.  I hope you guys enjoy it.


I think the big question right now is "payment method".  Can we get an official word on this or must we wait until the press release? ;)
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Post by: Steven Novella on January 28, 2007, 08:06:52 AM
We will try to make it available in as many ways as possible. Definitely on iTunes if possible, directly from us if we can work out a method. We are actively creating the logistical details right now - the content, the logo, where the RSS will be, etc. Once we have that, then we will work on the venues. I estimate you will be able to download the first bonus episode in two weeks. We announce it early on the forums to give our regular forum denizens a heads up, and to get your feedback.
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Post by: Nigel on January 28, 2007, 04:06:34 PM
Content ideas for Skeptics Guide Uncut:

Most of these ideas would require work above and beyond what would normally be done for the weekly show, but I thought I would toss them out there.

Case File shows.  Perry or Dr. Novella, etc. could recount an invesigation into an alleged paranormal activity.  (Mrs. Doe said her house was haunted, and it turned out is was not the undead visiting, but the neighbor's cat.)  It could be used to discuss the process of investigating the alleged event or claim.

Reviews. When a relevant skeptical, or paranormal book, television show, or news article is published have one of the rogues do a review.

Lectures.  Whenever there is a lecture from a skeptic or pro-paranormal person rebroadcast it with or withour comment.
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Post by: heliocentricra on January 28, 2007, 07:46:24 PM
I like all of those ideas, Nigel.

"Uncut" makes it sound like Girls Gone Wild.

but who knows-- maybe it will be! :shock:
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Post by: Mike on January 28, 2007, 08:45:23 PM
Quote from: "heliocentricra"
I like all of those ideas, Nigel.

"Uncut" makes it sound like Girls Gone Wild.

but who knows-- maybe it will be! :shock:


haha, "Skeptics Gone Wild".  This deserves the photoshop treatment from IRON MAN. :)
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Post by: IRON MAN on January 29, 2007, 03:39:13 AM
Quote from: "Mike"
Quote from: "heliocentricra"
I like all of those ideas, Nigel.

"Uncut" makes it sound like Girls Gone Wild.

but who knows-- maybe it will be! :shock:


haha, "Skeptics Gone Wild".  This deserves the photoshop treatment from IRON MAN. :)



Now, where am I going to find time to do that?  I'm still trying to do one for helio, with Tom Cruise in an electric chair, except the chair is Oprah's couch.


... Oh okay ...

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5130/skepticsgonewildcz9.jpg)


Hmmm ... When's the last time I picked on Bob?

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6755/skepticsgonewildbobgw1.jpg)


Pictures so convincing they could easily result in divorce ...

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8643/skepticsgonewildrandibi1.jpg)


You don't wanna know what Google image search gives you when you put in the term, "girls gone wild".

I think I need to erase my hard drive ...
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Post by: Mike on January 29, 2007, 07:56:10 AM
Quote from: "IRON MAN"
Quote from: "Mike"
Quote from: "heliocentricra"
I like all of those ideas, Nigel.

"Uncut" makes it sound like Girls Gone Wild.

but who knows-- maybe it will be! :shock:


haha, "Skeptics Gone Wild".  This deserves the photoshop treatment from IRON MAN. :)



Now, where am I going to find time to do that?  I'm still trying to do one for helio, with Tom Cruise in an electric chair, except the chair is Oprah's couch.


... Oh okay ...

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5130/skepticsgonewildcz9.jpg)


Hmmm ... When's the last time I picked on Bob?

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6755/skepticsgonewildbobgw1.jpg)


Pictures so convincing they could easily result in divorce ...

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8643/skepticsgonewildrandibi1.jpg)


You don't wanna know what Google image search gives you when you put in the term, "girls gone wild".

I think I need to erase my hard drive ...


Thank you IM!!  I knew I could count on you.  I'm thinking of going through all your posts and putting up a gallery somewhere.  These works of art need to be displayed! :)
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Post by: Noah R. Miller on January 29, 2007, 11:04:12 AM
My gosh you are a commited little monkey. That's cool. Soooo cool.
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Post by: a3maniac on January 29, 2007, 03:45:47 PM
The whole thing about it being available only on iTunes is that most foreigners aren't able to purchase it using their credit cards, so there's no way I could pay for the download, even if I wanted to.

So yeah... paypal is greatly appreciated.
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Post by: Mike on January 29, 2007, 04:37:11 PM
Quote from: "a3maniac"
The whole thing about it being available only on iTunes is that most foreigners aren't able to purchase it using their credit cards, so there's no way I could pay for the download, even if I wanted to.

So yeah... paypal is greatly appreciated.


What about buying prepaid itunes cards?

(http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/products/large/10062460.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Shmoe on January 29, 2007, 07:15:37 PM
Without a credit card?
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Post by: heliocentricra on January 29, 2007, 09:55:45 PM
I'm sure you could use a Brazilian (or any other nationality) credit card to buy an iTunes gift certificate.

HAHAHA Skeptics Gone Wild! The one of Steve is my favorite, if only for the fact that he looks so incredibly uncomfortable. The Randi one is a little disturbing. I like to keep my elder statesmen debunkers and my hot girls making out as far apart as possible.
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Post by: Mike on January 29, 2007, 11:22:51 PM
No they sell them in electronics stores, like best buy, circuit city, radio shack, future shop, etc.
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Post by: champagnej on January 30, 2007, 01:13:36 AM
This forum just got a whole lot sexier!
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Post by: jason on January 30, 2007, 02:20:23 AM
Quote from: "a3maniac"
The whole thing about it being available only on iTunes is that most foreigners aren't able to purchase it using their credit cards, so there's no way I could pay for the download, even if I wanted to.

Does iTunes prevent certain countries from using their credit cards? I've never had a problem from Oz...
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So yeah... paypal is greatly appreciated.

Regardless, definitely my preference, due to the lower transaction fee.
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Post by: H.E. Pennypacker on January 30, 2007, 12:50:17 PM
If I may, I'd like to also support an alternate form of purchase (though in addition to iTunes is fine). In addition to the above payment issues, my main beef is that everything purchased through iTunes must contain mandatory DRM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management). If you want to put something for sale on iTunes, it has to go through Audible (as an audiobook). Not only to they also take a cut of your money but they FORCE you to include DRM whether you want it or not (incidentally, Audible is the only company to ever get their hands on a licence to Apple's FairPlay). This is the route that Ricky Gervais took with his pay podcasts.

In addition to my philosophical opposition to DRM (please don't treat me like a criminal, I'm trying to buy the damn thing after all), it has very real consequences. Namely, that something purchased through iTunes must be played in either the iTunes music player or an iPod. Those of us with non-Apple mp3 players are screwed. No more listening in the car on my way to work.

Sorry for the rant. Bottom line: if it's available without DRM, I'll buy every single episode. Offering it through iTunes/Audible is fine, but I think you'd be crazy not to give us another option.
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Post by: Jay on January 30, 2007, 03:02:23 PM
Steve and I have been feverishly looking for ways to sell our new uncut content over the past two weeks.  I have to admit we thought this process was going to be a lot easier than it turned out.  H.E. Pennypacker, you are mostly correct and I do agree with you that using iTunes/Audible has the mandatory DRM.  Unfortunately I have not found a better solution than Audible so far.  Audibles site says that their downloads are usable by 190 different players.  I would imagine that most of us are using a player that is on this list.  I am happy to take suggestions from anyone as to a better option than using Audible.  I want everyone to have access to this new content and I swear not just because we need the money  :lol:
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Post by: H.E. Pennypacker on January 30, 2007, 05:15:10 PM
As far as I'm aware, there isn't any way to set up an RSS feed (podcast) while charging for content outside of iTunes by nature of the fact that RSS feeds don't work very well when passworded.

To be perfectly honest, this is how I'd do it:

Ask people to send a Paypal payment of $1.99 to a given address. When the payment has been received, the person gets a link to the url to download the MP3. It's not a feed, but it gives people easy access to the file. The downside is that, unless you can somehow automate it, it will require the human legwork to approve all the payments.

By the way, don't know if you've ever been a fan of Mystery Science Theater 3000, but most recent iteration of it (from Mike Nelson), RiffTrax (http://rifftrax.com/), works in exactly this way.

If you were really intent on having an RSS feed, just make one but don't publish the URL. When someone pays, say on a monthly basis, just give them the correct feed address to put in their podcatcher. Yes, this requires a certain amount of trust in people not to distribute it themselves, but history has shown that copy protection etc. only ever hinders the honest people. The pirates will always pirate it anyway -- hence my issue fundamental issue with DRM.

I think the honor system is rather underrated, especially with regard to the SGU fanbase.
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Post by: 6for2 on January 30, 2007, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: "H.E. Pennypacker"

To be perfectly honest, this is how I'd do it:


I agree with H.E. Pennypacker.  I don't do itunes, as I have philosophical issues with DRM, and I don't have an ipod.  Do PayPal and direct download, and I'll be among the first to sign up.

-6
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Post by: jason on January 31, 2007, 02:30:54 AM
Quote from: "H.E. Pennypacker"
Ask people to send a Paypal payment of $1.99 to a given address. When the payment has been received, the person gets a link to the url to download the MP3. It's not a feed, but it gives people easy access to the file. The downside is that, unless you can somehow automate it, it will require the human legwork to approve all the payments.

If Jay and Steve are going to use audible.com, doesn't that effectively give you what you're after? While the ".aa" format is DRM'd, at least it's supported by a large number of non-Apple devices. Each premium episode would then be effectively a separate "audio book", which could be linked directly off the SGU site (no need for an RSS feed).

An alternative would be something like Podiobooks (http://podiobooks.com/): while the content is effectively free (RSS'd MP3s), the mechanism for donating is built into the site, thus making it painless. As you noted, this would rely on the listeners to choose to pay, but I suspect the vast majority of us would!
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Post by: a3maniac on January 31, 2007, 03:55:37 AM
Quote from: "jason"
Quote from: "a3maniac"
The whole thing about it being available only on iTunes is that most foreigners aren't able to purchase it using their credit cards, so there's no way I could pay for the download, even if I wanted to.

Does iTunes prevent certain countries from using their credit cards? I've never had a problem from Oz...


Yes, it does. There are only a number of countries you can purchase iTunes store stuff from.

Quote from: "heliocentricra"
I'm sure you could use a Brazilian (or any other nationality) credit card to buy an iTunes gift certificate.


You still need a credit card with a vaild USA billing address to purchase one.
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Post by: Vertie on January 31, 2007, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: "H.E. Pennypacker"

Ask people to send a Paypal payment of $1.99 to a given address. When the payment has been received, the person gets a link to the url to download the MP3. It's not a feed, but it gives people easy access to the file. The downside is that, unless you can somehow automate it, it will require the human legwork to approve all the payments.


I want to hear the interviews, and will gladly pay for them, but something like this sounds too complicated for me.  (it's not that I can't do it, I'm just way too lazy to do it)

Just let me pay for it and download it all at once, and I'll be happy!

Looking forward to hearing more!
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Post by: IRON MAN on February 01, 2007, 01:17:20 AM
Vertie has a good point.  The "lazy factor" is quite a serious and genuine consideration when doing this kind of thing.

If you want something to fly in the marketplace, convenience beats price any day of the week.
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Post by: jason on February 01, 2007, 02:29:04 AM
Quote from: "IRON MAN"
Vertie has a good point.  The "lazy factor" is quite a serious and genuine consideration when doing this kind of thing.

If you want something to fly in the marketplace, convenience beats price any day of the week.

It's something that any software engineer needs to consider really seriously whenever design any kind of interface. People generally just want to do what they enjoy, and are simply not curious and/or interested enough to get to a feature if it's inconvenient. I certainly feel this way. Even though I could probably work through/around a difficult interface... why should I bother?

As IRON MAN says, whatever the SGU come up with, the less effort the better. That probably makes iTunes a good choice (except for those non-Apple listeners out there) or audible.com. I still think that Podiobooks.com (http://podiobooks.com) is worth a quick look.
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Post by: H.E. Pennypacker on February 01, 2007, 01:05:53 PM
I don't see how clicking a link (and downloading an mp3) is too complicated.

Explain yourself.
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Post by: jason on February 01, 2007, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: "H.E. Pennypacker"
I don't see how clicking a link (and downloading an mp3) is too complicated.

Explain yourself.

My usual reaction to such an abrupt demand would involve expletives, but what the hell.

The process you're describing would have to be manually managed. This would be an administrative nightmare for the SGU team, who would effectively have to handle each individual PayPal payment by sending a specialised reply. If there was a single MP3, it might work, but the assumption is there are going to be multiple MP3s released over time.

From a user's point of view, I have to make a PayPal money transfer to a designated e-mail address for each MP3, or presumably collection of MP3s, that I want to get. Since they'll be released incrementally (my assumption based on what's been said so far), I'd have to do this each time. There'd then be a delay waiting for the SGU team to process my request, and send the link to me by return e-mail. As you say, downloading it at that point is indeed trivial. Of course, then I have to manually add each such MP3 into whatever software I use to synchronise with my device (for the majority of users who do that).

While it is obviously possible to automate the back end (thus reducing the administrative overhead), it would be non-trivial to set up. Some investment would be required, and an ongoing maintenance commitment and server/support cost. The impression I get from Steve and Jay is that they want an off-the-shelf delivery and payment system that requires little time on their part. I (for one) would prefer the SGU team focussed on producing content for the podcast, rather than having spend effort or money re-inventing the e-commerce wheel.
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Post by: Joe Shmoe on February 01, 2007, 03:37:28 PM
Do it like other retail-y sites do it.  Have a PoS system and let folks order the stuff straight off the site.

The other way could be to go porn-y and have a members section with a recurring fee.
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Post by: jason on February 01, 2007, 03:47:37 PM
Quote from: "Joe Shmoe"
The other way could be to go porn-y and have a members section with a recurring fee.

Interesting idea: SGU paid subscribers could get access to all premium content. It's just require maintaining the membership list and putting such content in a secure area.

While I'm not usually a fan of subscription models, it's definitely worth considering.
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Post by: Joe Shmoe on February 01, 2007, 04:04:48 PM
and ... skeptical porn!

 :twisted:
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Post by: Vertie on February 01, 2007, 04:50:37 PM
Quote from: "H.E. Pennypacker"
I don't see how clicking a link (and downloading an mp3) is too complicated.

Explain yourself.


Like Jason said so eloquently, there's more to it than that.  I have a "system" in place here at home.  iTunes has my info.  I click. I get my dealie.  Easy peasy, lemon squeezy!

Don't disrupt my system... :P

Although I could go for a "member only" pay site.
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Post by: Mike on February 01, 2007, 05:04:09 PM
The members only site sounds like the best idea to me so far.  I've never actually bought anything on iTunes, and I was not aware that the content would only be playable in iTunes or on an iPod.

The members only site would really be great for other types of downloadable content or for members only events and stuff like that.
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Post by: Joe Shmoe on February 01, 2007, 05:42:07 PM
You can play iTunes media on Winamp or Quicktime as long as you are on an authorized computer, iTunes would have to be installed to authorize the computer of course.

I use iTunes to get some Teevee shows that I might have missed during the week, but I will not use iTunes to watch said show because iTunes is a memory whore and I will not tolerate its choppy performance so I use Winamp.
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Post by: Mike on February 01, 2007, 05:45:57 PM
I've never bought anything on iTunes, does this restriction only apply to "bought" content?  Because everything I've downloaded from iTunes so far, I've been able to play in my Sansa MP3 player.
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Post by: Joe Shmoe on February 01, 2007, 06:18:05 PM
AFAIK DRM is only applied to paid materials from iTunes.
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Post by: Mike on February 01, 2007, 06:21:58 PM
Damn, and I thought I was special for some reason.  So apart from being a resource hog, iTunes also limits the content strictly to their own product?  Apple just went down a notch in my book.
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Post by: jason on February 01, 2007, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: "Mike"
Damn, and I thought I was special for some reason.  So apart from being a resource hog, iTunes also limits the content strictly to their own product?  Apple just went down a notch in my book.

Ah... I wouldn't blame Apple. Remember, they are selling copyright material on behalf of the owners (record labels etc). Apple is just the vendor. Those copyright owners would only permit their material to be sold if they are given some kind of mechanism that prevents their stuff from being easily pirated... hence DRM'd audio and video.

While the implementation of DRM tends to be limiting... that is kind of the point. It could be better, but the alternative is simply to put everything out there and just trust that no one is ever going to make it available to others.
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Post by: Jay on February 01, 2007, 10:46:42 PM
Guys thanks for the ideas etc.  I have considered this for a long time now and think the best solution is for me to find a solid 3rd party shopping cart system that I can embed in the SGU site.  Audible.com takes 20% off the top...too steep.  Podiobooks takes 25%...WTF.
I am considering a few companies right now but if anyone knows of any that has a file download (can handle selling media) please let me know.
Don't be hard on Apple.  If it wasn't for them there would be no podcasts.  There might be windowcasts or something but somehow I don't think it would be the same.
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Post by: 2112 on February 01, 2007, 11:45:09 PM
I like the idea of a membership. Pay $30 a year and gain access to all sorts of extras.
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Post by: sketchy on February 02, 2007, 10:28:44 AM
I also like the idea of paid membership to get extras.
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Post by: ATGreat on February 02, 2007, 07:37:39 PM
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I like the idea of a membership. Pay $30 a year and gain access to all sorts of extras.


Toss in another package deal - 1 year NESS membership for those of us in the New England area, and access to the TSGTTU special member's area for one low price.
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Post by: 6for2 on February 02, 2007, 07:54:58 PM
Throw in a few one-gallon jugs of Welsh's white grape juice and you won't be able to get rid of me.
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Post by: subparwelder on February 03, 2007, 12:24:35 AM
Be hard on Apple all you want!  this isn't the only stupid thing about itunes (like my new 30gig video ipod that won't work with my download computer because it requires itunes 7.0 and for some reason itunes 7.0, 7.1, 7.2 (thank you old apps.com) all refuse to load, while itunes 6.something works just fine.  )

sorry about the rant.  I've finally caught up to real time on the podcasts and I'll pay whatever blood money you demand for more.

Give me more damn it!

btw as an audible subscriber i can tell you that all my audiobooks work fine on my Sansa.
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Post by: Mike on February 03, 2007, 08:29:31 AM
I've honestly never used an Apple product (that I know of).  They always seemed to proprietary for me.  iPod should be used with iTunes on an iMac.  For the love of iGod, now they're even making car stereos and home receivers with an "iPod connection".  Can't you just get a regular male headphone jack to 2 channel male rca cable and use that?
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Post by: Zam on February 03, 2007, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: "2112"
I like the idea of a membership. Pay $30 a year and gain access to all sorts of extras.


Definitely much more convenient than repeated small payments.
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Post by: Mike on February 03, 2007, 08:47:09 AM
I think charging for a yearly membership would be great.  For a certain price you could get the following:

- 1 yr NESS membership (including perhaps a PDF version of the NEJS)
- access to unedited media
- access to the bloopers
- access to a SGU online store that sells more than T-Shirts and coffee mugs (the lectures Evan was talking about)
- a discount on the Skepchick/Skepdude calendars
- a discount on TAM
- An autographed pic of the cast :) (for the SGU shrine in your closet)
- an autographed picture of me.  8) (for the Mike shrine in your other closet)
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Post by: subparwelder on February 03, 2007, 10:52:28 AM
Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and R Kelly won't come out of the closet so I can't get to my SGU shrine.

my Mike Shrine remains infestation free...
Title: SGU-Uncut
Post by: Jay on February 03, 2007, 03:49:59 PM
Mike..cool idea.  I would be interested in doing something like this but it all boils down to time.  I will talk it over with Steve.  My goal is to get the uncut content out asap because we promised it.  I want to automate this process so we dont have a nightmare of paperwork on our hands.  It's all about the workflow baby.
Title: SGU-Uncut
Post by: jason on February 03, 2007, 04:14:26 PM
Quote from: "Jay"
Mike..cool idea.  I would be interested in doing something like this but it all boils down to time.  I will talk it over with Steve.  My goal is to get the uncut content out asap because we promised it.  I want to automate this process so we dont have a nightmare of paperwork on our hands.  It's all about the workflow baby.

It's clear that the best possible solution is what you're proposing: having the premium episodes as individually purchasable directly from the SGU site, via an off-the-shelf shopping cart system. If you have the time to set it up and administer it, that's great!

Have you considered using Paypal directly to allow the purchase of the episodes? Their merchant tools seem pretty cool... for example, the Website Payments Standard (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_wp-standard-overview-outside), or the enhanced "Pro" version. The comparison here (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_profile-comparison) is an excellent summary of what they're offering.
Title: SGU-Uncut
Post by: cosmicvagabond on February 03, 2007, 04:17:15 PM
How about a weekly drawing for a free download?
Title: SGU-Uncut
Post by: Mike on February 03, 2007, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: "Jay"
Mike..cool idea.  I would be interested in doing something like this but it all boils down to time.  I will talk it over with Steve.  My goal is to get the uncut content out asap because we promised it.  I want to automate this process so we dont have a nightmare of paperwork on our hands.  It's all about the workflow baby.


I figured you'd jump on this for the autographed pic of me. ;)

Jay, all you have to do is ask. hehe
Title: SGU-Uncut
Post by: heliocentricra on February 03, 2007, 05:02:12 PM
Quote from: "Mike"
I've honestly never used an Apple product (that I know of).  They always seemed to proprietary for me.  iPod should be used with iTunes on an iMac.  For the love of iGod, now they're even making car stereos and home receivers with an "iPod connection".  Can't you just get a regular male headphone jack to 2 channel male rca cable and use that?
Where would you plug it in if you were in a car?
Title: SGU-Uncut
Post by: Mike on February 03, 2007, 06:11:01 PM
Quote from: "heliocentricra"
Quote from: "Mike"
I've honestly never used an Apple product (that I know of).  They always seemed to proprietary for me.  iPod should be used with iTunes on an iMac.  For the love of iGod, now they're even making car stereos and home receivers with an "iPod connection".  Can't you just get a regular male headphone jack to 2 channel male rca cable and use that?
Where would you plug it in if you were in a car?


Or headphone M to headphone M cable.  Some car stereos have line ins.  Or get one of those little fm transmitters that plug into a headphone jack.