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Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Eiskrystal on February 07, 2007, 06:42:56 AM
I've noticed we don't seem to have a skeptic symbol. I propose the "tesseract" as a possibility.

(http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/TesseractGraph_1000.gif)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: plunge on February 07, 2007, 07:00:31 AM
We need something a little more lighthearted methinks.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: a3maniac on February 07, 2007, 07:10:59 AM
I am not a mathmatician and I personally dislike math (and physics - love the applications, though).

I don't know if the idea of a symbol is actually a good one, because we're not a single group. Skepticism, secular humanism, atheism, agnosticism... the are SO many groups out there, I don't think we fit into one classification.

Another bad reason for a symbol is for it to be identifiable with a cult or religion, which is definitely not the case.

So yeah, I don't like the idea.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Eiskrystal on February 07, 2007, 07:28:40 AM
Everyone else gets a symbol and they do very well out of it.

Mine's a damn sight more cheery than a dead guy on a cross.[/quote]
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Paul Ganssle on February 07, 2007, 07:32:02 AM
I think we should just use a beard as a symbol.  Think about it, Darwin had a beard, Randi has a beard, Dennett has a beard.  We should all grow beards (even Rebecca) and dye them white so that it would be obvious that our numbers are large and incredibly powerful (as a scientist, I know that there is a clear positive proportionality between beard strength and power).

But seriously, a tesseract is awesome, and I was thinking of getting one tattooed on myself, but I don't think that we need a symbol.  There's not exactly a strong iconodulist tradition among atheists.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: wrotenbe on February 07, 2007, 07:47:31 AM
I'd say a giant question mark, but then people might mistake us for The Riddler.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: SCriminal on February 07, 2007, 08:39:12 AM
So how about the Riddler?
(http://www.1966batfan.com/rid732.JPG)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Eiskrystal on February 07, 2007, 08:54:28 AM
Too gay (wrong minority)

I did think of multiple question marks, but when i put them together i ended up with something approaching a swastica. Bad idea.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Dez on February 07, 2007, 09:07:00 AM
Quote from: "Eiskrystal"
I did think of multiple question marks, but when i put them together i ended up with something approaching a swastica. Bad idea.


I don't think so. Looks more like a flower. I kinda like it.

(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6192/skepticquestionxc5.gif) (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT:

(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7516/skepticflower1ok0.gif) (http://imageshack.us)



VVV Ok lemme try a few more configs VVVV
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Eiskrystal on February 07, 2007, 09:14:19 AM
The religious nuts will call us the Nazi-flower-people then. You could rotate it by 45 degrees. That should be enough to confuse them.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Ole Eivind on February 07, 2007, 09:35:22 AM
Just to be pedantic; the nazi swastica is right-facing. Dez' questionmark-thing is left-facing. Obviously it won't be confused with anything other than hindu/buddhist symbols.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Dez on February 07, 2007, 09:45:33 AM
Quote from: "Ole Eivind"
Just to be pedantic; the nazi swastica is right-facing. Dez' questionmark-thing is left-facing. Obviously it won't be confused with anything other than hindu/buddhist symbols.


Which stands for peace. I'm still working on something though.

HERE:
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9454/skepticflower2iq0.gif) (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT: I have 1 or 2 more ideas for the flower. I'll post them if anyone is interested.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Eiskrystal on February 07, 2007, 09:59:41 AM
It's growing on me actually (excuse the pun) but not everyone will want a flower. Can we have something similar but less..erm...flowery do you think?

I see no reason not to have a general symbol theme of the 4 question marks and then people can choose different versions that suit them. That way everyone is happy. We get a general symbol whilst still being individuals.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Dez on February 07, 2007, 10:07:36 AM
Quote from: "Eiskrystal"
I see no reason not to have a general symbol theme of the 4 question marks and then people can choose different versions that suit them. That way everyone is happy. We get a general symbol whilst still being individuals.


That gave me a cool idea! I hope my photoshop skills (or lack thereof) are up to to. I'll post it in a second.

EDIT: My skills are not up to par. But my idea was to make a stick-ish person made out of style-ized question marks that have been morphed and stretched. I am very tired, though. Maybe I'll give it another shot after I wake up.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Noah R. Miller on February 07, 2007, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: "SCriminal"
So how about the Riddler?
(http://www.1966batfan.com/rid732.JPG)



HEY! That's Frank Gorshin your messing with.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Eiskrystal on February 07, 2007, 11:25:53 AM
I was thinking of maybe adding a triangle (top point starting from the middle of the petals) so it looked like a windmill instead of a flower.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: SCriminal on February 07, 2007, 12:54:40 PM
Simple swastica solution:

Add a fifth petal.

Whatever it is I'm not using it.  I'm still pissed Dez ruined my other thread.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Flavius on February 07, 2007, 01:09:04 PM
Proposing a two-dimensional symbol of a four-dimensional object?  I fear it would be fodder for the critics - "they believe in something that's never been seen, and by their own admission can not be seen."
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: queequeg on February 07, 2007, 03:05:24 PM
I have always liked the idea of a candle, or some other sign that implies enlightenment.  Illumination, reading....


An even cooler idea is that each group of skeptics could have their own coat of arms.  This would avoid the problem of everyone seemingly having to conform.  When at a large gathering like TAM a person could look out at the crowd and identify them them:

"My lord Randy, there is Dawkins at the head of his column under the Golden Darwinfish rampant on a field of green.  To his right is Sam Harris, his standard bearer is carrying his device, the lighthouse and the the sea harried rock on blue and white chessboard.  To Tom's right,  beneath the flame of reason and bird strangling monkey ascendant  is the NESS group..."
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Jonny_eh on February 07, 2007, 03:30:38 PM
Arrrggh, no symbol!

Organizing skeptics/atheists is like herding cats! By definition, we're independent, and free thinkers.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: queequeg on February 07, 2007, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: "Jonny_eh"
Arrrggh, no symbol!

Organizing skeptics/atheists is like herding cats! By definition, we're independent, and free thinkers.


That is enough out of you Private!
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: SCriminal on February 07, 2007, 03:36:23 PM
What's wrong with FSM?
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: queequeg on February 07, 2007, 03:39:16 PM
Quote from: "SCriminal"
What's wrong with FSM?


The noodley appendage that is caressing me feels a little warm. I think he/she/it has a fever.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: jdj on February 08, 2007, 06:13:26 AM
You can buy some cool symbols here: http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/emblems.html

For example:
(http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/E-FlyingSpaghettiEmblem.gif)

(http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/E-Darwin.gif)

(http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/media/E-RealityBites.gif)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: ATGreat on February 08, 2007, 10:48:15 AM
Quote
Organizing skeptics/atheists is like herding cats! By definition, we're independent, and free thinkers.


So, you think our symbol should be a Herd of Cats?

 8)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Eiskrystal on February 08, 2007, 11:57:11 AM
Those fish symbols are great i'm sure, but are about evolution, not skepticism.

I already suggested how each person can do their own thing by having a common theme but making whatever changes they want.

His Noodly Honor was started as a joke against ID. A stand-alone symbol would be better. One that stands for an objective viewpoint, not a viewpoint based on lack of belief in something else. If you see what I mean.

I don't like cats.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Jonny_eh on February 08, 2007, 04:52:23 PM
Quote from: "ATGreat"
Quote
Organizing skeptics/atheists is like herding cats! By definition, we're independent, and free thinkers.


So, you think our symbol should be a Herd of Cats?

 8)


Yes!!

In seriousness though, how about a symbol that represents the independence and free thinking of a skeptic? I'm not artistic, so I have no idea what that could be.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: sigmadog on February 09, 2007, 12:02:48 AM
I'm getting ready to work up some logo ideas for a client, so I did this as a 15 minute warmup.

I like it because it symbolizes both questions and ideas (which can also mean answers). It also has a "Brights" connotation as well, which can be good and bad.

(http://www.sigmadog.com/misc/skeptic.jpg)

Anyway, this is my first post to this forum. Hi everyone! I've been lurking for a few weeks, and far too busy with work to post anything until now.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: SkepThickHeaded on February 09, 2007, 01:44:30 AM
Quote from: "queequeg"
I have always liked the idea of a candle, or some other sign that implies enlightenment.  Illumination, reading....


I like the candle idea also.  In addition to the above, it alludes to "science as a candle in the dark" as well, which seems an appropriate Sagan tribute.
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: SCriminal on February 09, 2007, 01:50:05 AM
How about this guy?
(http://www.1966batfan.com/rid732.JPG)

Or this thing?
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7969/001ej3.jpg)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: SCriminal on February 10, 2007, 12:30:51 AM
You guys, I have two good ideas.  But once again, I'm posting drunk, so they all seem pretty smart.  How about either of these:

Muthersmeggin' Pigasys.
(http://www.randi.org/images/shopping/pigEm1LG.jpg)

Or Jack's Beanstalk.
(http://www.galleryone.com/images/gustafson/gustafson_-_jack_and_the_beanstalk.JPG)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: The Thing on February 10, 2007, 01:46:24 AM
I've seen this one around.  It's pretty cool.

(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3869/atheism10fb7.jpg)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: MJ on February 26, 2007, 01:01:10 PM
Sorry to resurrect a dead post, but along with the church signs post, there is an official seal generator.  I just thought this would be a quick way for people to make a seal without Paint or Adobe Photoshop. So here's one I made and you can make your own here:

http://www.says-it.com/seal/index.php


(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6840/seallr9.gif) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7536/sealtv5.gif) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/535/sealea3.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Dez on February 27, 2007, 09:56:11 AM
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4194/sealkp8.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Jonny_eh on February 27, 2007, 11:27:02 AM
Wow, do I suck at picking good colours!
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9323/sealch8.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: A skeptic symbol
Post by: skidoo on March 03, 2007, 12:14:45 PM
Lapel pin? :D

(http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7325/skepdickuz1.jpg)
Title: Re: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Paul TheSkeptic on June 05, 2018, 10:24:27 PM
This guy has a good suggestion for a skeptical symbol. A magnifying glass with a question mark inside. http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=304
Title: Re: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Eternally Learning on June 06, 2018, 12:10:33 AM
Holy zombified thread Batman!
Title: Re: A skeptic symbol
Post by: skidoo on June 06, 2018, 12:33:32 PM
A thread necro'ed after 11 years is a museum piece. Right-on.
Title: Re: A skeptic symbol
Post by: Skeptic1001 on November 24, 2018, 04:28:59 AM
I've noticed we don't seem to have a skeptic symbol. I propose the "tesseract" as a possibility.

(http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/TesseractGraph_1000.gif)

That design is pleasing in a technical way. Representing skepticism with intricate three dimensional symbols seems charming but then once again would skeptics really want symbolism superimposed over them? Symbolism is subject to interpretation and skepticism is about clarity and specifics and thorough understanding.
Title: Re: A skeptic symbol
Post by: TheOnlyMerlin on November 29, 2018, 03:22:30 AM
A symbol is more or less useful as a convenient way to reference a group or concept. I think a symbol might actually be useful from a pragmatic marketing perspective.

I thought I would provide some very high level thoughts that can hopefully be whittled down to something concrete.

To start off, I am assuming we are referring to scientific skepticism, as compared to philosophical skepticism or the general term of skepticism. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptical_movement)

Some ideas:

Questions

Ok, that's enough from me. It's time for sleep.
Title: Re: A skeptic symbol
Post by: John Albert on November 29, 2018, 02:23:22 PM
I propose this.

(https://i.imgur.com/E983DGw.png)
Title: Re: A skeptic symbol
Post by: 2397 on November 29, 2018, 06:17:20 PM
I agree that we should keep it simple. Maybe even a little ambiguous, because skepticism is a process, not a value system. Or make it something broad that different people can focus more on the parts they like while still being part of the whole.

Something sleek and sexy that symbolizes science and skepticism, how we shouldn't simply surmise and suppose, but that we need to be serious and suspicious. Not assume that what we see and sense as simians is synonymous with reality, it is but a starting point. To be substantial and score a sound state, we need to be systematic and sincere. We may scare, we may spoil, sentiments may sour. We may seem silly to some. Still, they have our sympathies. Lacking souls but not sentience, slow and steady or soaring and swooping in, our desire is to save them from the pseudo, and share in the wonder of exploring what is really real.

To that end:

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