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Title: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 15, 2011, 02:04:43 PM
The revenue split and rookie pay system are settled likely due to the players revealing their ace in the hole. An insurance policy that will pay each player 200K if the 2011 is canceled due to the lockout. A deal is expected soon, which will mean a frantic free agency period and maybe some shifting of preseason games, but a full 2011 season.

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/7/15/2277523/nfl-lockout-2011-news-demaurice-smith-owners-nflpa (http://www.sbnation.com/2011/7/15/2277523/nfl-lockout-2011-news-demaurice-smith-owners-nflpa)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 15, 2011, 02:31:51 PM
That is all kinds of awesome. Wow. Now, let's finish getting rid of Matt Hasselbeck and we cqn get the year started!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 15, 2011, 03:23:10 PM
w00t!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 18, 2011, 03:38:54 PM
Memo sent out by the league to all teams to have their top execs at the Owners meeting in Atlanta Thursday because they are expecting the owners to approve the CBA. The league will then hold a seminar on the new CBA rules. Players under contract gearing up for camp this weekend.

http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/AdamSchefter/status/92996958163185664


http://bustedcoverage.com/2011/07/18/jeremy-shockey-nfl-lockout-will-end-thursday-players-report-to-teams-friday/ (http://bustedcoverage.com/2011/07/18/jeremy-shockey-nfl-lockout-will-end-thursday-players-report-to-teams-friday/)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 18, 2011, 04:01:23 PM
OK....maybe.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 18, 2011, 04:07:04 PM
How dare you start a new thread and not tell me, even though you saw me posting a link in the thread from last year!

 :argh:
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 18, 2011, 05:39:19 PM
Where will Randy Moss wind up this year?  Poll, anyone?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Peace Bunny on July 19, 2011, 05:20:50 AM
I'm excited :D I can't wait to stay up until 4am on Monday morning again.  :cheers:
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 19, 2011, 06:20:02 AM
Where will Randy Moss wind up this year?  Poll, anyone?

I dunno, but I really hope Chad Johnson ends up with the Patriots.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 19, 2011, 06:49:46 PM
Where will Randy Moss wind up this year?  Poll, anyone?

I dunno, but I really hope Chad Johnson ends up with the Patriots.

He and Belichick seem to have a thing goin' on, so it wouldn't surprise me.  I bet Brady would like to have him.

He's not really a deep threat, though, or a scary red zone threat like Plaxico.  Both are needs for the Pat's.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 20, 2011, 06:26:28 AM
Needs? We don't have needs. Did you happen to see our receiving corps last season? We have tight ends who are outstanding, one of whom is a legitimate downfield threat, and another is a 6'7" human tank.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 20, 2011, 09:25:41 PM
Needs? We don't have needs. Did you happen to see our receiving corps last season? We have tight ends who are outstanding, one of whom is a legitimate downfield threat, and another is a 6'7" human tank.

You had a great year until you couldn't stretch the Jets' defense.

Tight ends?  Dude, seriously...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 21, 2011, 06:32:07 AM
I know.. I know. Is true. Is so true.

But I really don't want Plexiglass on my team.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 21, 2011, 07:13:40 PM
Owners approve CBA 31-0 (Raiders abstained, lol Al Davis). Likely conditional on the players union re-certifying within the next few days. Players still need to vote (and probably meet the owners deadline for re-certification).

http://nfllabor.com/ (http://nfllabor.com/)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 21, 2011, 07:47:01 PM
I know.. I know. Is true. Is so true.

But I really don't want Plexiglass on my team.

No, he isn't the answer.  But wouldn't you love it if Belichick stole another producer from Ryan this year?  Santonio Holmes would look awfully good catching passes from Brady.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 21, 2011, 07:59:36 PM
Ugh, sounding like the players might not approve the current deal.  It's so close. Come on!!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 21, 2011, 09:22:56 PM
Ugh, sounding like the players might not approve the current deal.  It's so close. Come on!!!

Don't forget 1,900 paychecks are at risk.  Rest assured.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 21, 2011, 10:43:40 PM
Ugh, sounding like the players might not approve the current deal.  It's so close. Come on!!!

Don't forget 1,900 paychecks are at risk.  Rest assured.

Each player gets 200K if the season is missed, they won't go hungry.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 21, 2011, 10:50:25 PM
Well, according to the NFLPA or whatever's left of it, the owners and the players came to an agreement, and the owners voted on something, but what the owners voted on and what they agreed to were two different things. This actually looks a *lot* like a PR move on the part of the owners; they have zero leverage at this point so I guess they decided to toss a big Hail Mary in hopes that they could shame the players into signing off on a bad agreement or something.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 21, 2011, 11:35:11 PM
Yeah, a lot of rhetoric about whether the players got to see the deal the owners voted on and what the owners may or may not have "slipped in" to the version they voted on. Will have to let the dust clear a bit.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 22, 2011, 05:49:21 AM
Ugh, sounding like the players might not approve the current deal.  It's so close. Come on!!!

Don't forget 1,900 paychecks are at risk.  Rest assured.

Each player gets 200K if the season is missed, they won't go hungry.

But what about Cromartie's NINE CHILDREN? Won't someone think of ANTONIO CROMARTIE'S NINE CHILDREN?!?!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 22, 2011, 10:03:41 AM
Ugh, sounding like the players might not approve the current deal.  It's so close. Come on!!!

Don't forget 1,900 paychecks are at risk.  Rest assured.

Each player gets 200K if the season is missed, they won't go hungry.

But what about Cromartie's NINE CHILDREN? Won't someone think of ANTONIO CROMARTIE'S NINE CHILDREN?!?!

Ten children, by nine mothers.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 22, 2011, 10:05:13 AM
Say what? I thought it was nine children by eight mothers.. has he seriously not learned his lesson?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 22, 2011, 10:11:17 AM
Say what? I thought it was nine children by eight mothers.. has he seriously not learned his lesson?

maybe you're right, but that was almost a year ago. My favorite part was that he was at a 1:1 ratio until one of the women had twins.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 22, 2011, 10:30:03 AM
Yeah, I can't find anything saying that he's had another kid since. He's married now, and he and his wife had a daughter who they named.... wait for it.. wait for it...


(http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0908/wait-for-it-demotivational-poster-1250689239.jpg)

.."Jerzie".. after New Jersey.

That's right.. they couldn't even have spelled it correctly.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 22, 2011, 12:12:02 PM
(http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/de-smith-bomb.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 24, 2011, 03:53:32 PM
It looks like the ducks are finally all in a row.  I think the players did better than they usually do in these negotiations.  The exploitative 18-game season is gone, there's a $90 million floor on player salary spending, and lifetime medical insurance is provided.  Now let's have some football!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 24, 2011, 04:00:54 PM
It looks like the ducks are finally all in a row.  I think the players did better than they usually do in these negotiations.  The exploitative 18-game season is gone, there's a $90 million floor on player salary spending, and lifetime medical insurance is provided.  Now let's have some football!

Excellent. Unlike the situation in the NBA, I felt that the NFL players had been getting a pretty raw deal.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 24, 2011, 04:31:53 PM
Part of the issue with the NBA is that they appear to be lying about their books. Nate Silver had a good article about this on 538.com a couple weeks ago. As for the NFL, does the lifetime medical insurance get retroactively applied? If true, that alone makes this a great deal for both sides IMO.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 24, 2011, 06:09:34 PM
. As for the NFL, does the lifetime medical insurance get retroactively applied? If true, that alone makes this a great deal for both sides IMO.

Dunno.  There appears to be consideration for previous generations of players who heretofore have been abandoned to their fates, but I don't know the details.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 24, 2011, 07:08:26 PM
It looks like the ducks are finally all in a row.  I think the players did better than they usually do in these negotiations.  The exploitative 18-game season is gone, there's a $90 million floor on player salary spending, and lifetime medical insurance is provided.  Now let's have some football!

Salary floor is 90% of the cap, so 108mil, not 90mil
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 24, 2011, 07:33:42 PM
It looks like the ducks are finally all in a row.  I think the players did better than they usually do in these negotiations.  The exploitative 18-game season is gone, there's a $90 million floor on player salary spending, and lifetime medical insurance is provided.  Now let's have some football!

Salary floor is 90% of the cap, so 108mil, not 90mil

Oops.  You are right, of course.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 25, 2011, 06:05:02 AM
Man.. can you imagine if MLB had both a salary cap and a salary floor?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 25, 2011, 06:20:49 AM
Man.. can you imagine if MLB had both a salary cap and a salary floor?

The Cubs would still be terrible.  :'(
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 25, 2011, 06:24:22 AM
That's what you get for being goatfuckers.

Actually.. there is a book by an economist and a former baseball player that was being discussed on NPR a few weeks ago about sports in general, and the chapter on the Cubs pointed out that the problem with the Cubs franchise is cultural: Cubs fans are too stupid to stop going to games just because the team is a perennial loser, so the ownership has traditionally had little incentive to invest in payroll since the amount of money they'd make by increasing attendance would be more than offset by the extra payroll they'd have to spend.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 25, 2011, 11:02:09 AM
The Cubs have, at least recently been pretty up there in payroll. Which is why I said cap/floor wouldn't help them.

This site: http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm (http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm)

puts them in the top 8 in payroll every year since 2004, sometimes as high as 3rd, and in the top half of the league in payroll since at least 1998.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 25, 2011, 11:42:41 AM
The Cubs have, at least recently been pretty up there in payroll. Which is why I said cap/floor wouldn't help them.

This site: http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm (http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm)

puts them in the top 8 in payroll every year since 2004, sometimes as high as 3rd, and in the top half of the league in payroll since at least 1998.

Yeah, I think I may have been getting it a bit wrong.

The authors were discussing payroll as one of the aspects the Cubs ownership never bothered addressing over the past 20-30 years, but IIRC they were framing it as a systemic problem that wasn't being addressed because the ownership had no impetus to institute more effective team management and scouting and payroll and facilities upgrades, etc.. because Cubs fans would show up in roughly the same daily attendance no matter what, and this lead to a "culture of losing" which still permeates the Cubs franchise to this day.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 25, 2011, 12:48:15 PM
...as opposed to the "culture of losing" which permeated the Pirates front office for years and which was exacerbated by the fact that they haven't had any money for a long, long time? I'm just not buying it. The Cubs are run poorly, but new management could turn them into a well-run team.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 25, 2011, 01:19:09 PM
...as opposed to the "culture of losing" which permeated the Pirates front office for years and which was exacerbated by the fact that they haven't had any money for a long, long time? I'm just not buying it. The Cubs are run poorly, but new management could turn them into a well-run team.

Not saying it couldn't, just saying that until the franchise was sold the ownership had little incentive to shake things up.

Teams like the Pirates and the Marlins are a different case: It is actually profitable for them to suck because then they benefit from the league's welfare system, and they'll probably never have ownership which is ballsy enough to make the transition from "team which sucks for 12 out of every 15 years until they've developed enough home-grown talent via favorable draft positions and compensation picks for free agents who leave to make the playoffs for a couple of years before packing it in and starting all over again" to "team which is willing to spend money on free agents who will compliment their considerable wealth of homegrown talent for the two or three years it takes in order to convince the fan base that you're dedicated to running a perennial competitor".
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 25, 2011, 01:40:26 PM
Well, except that the Marlins have gone down that road twice. The Pirates make money via keeping a low payroll, not necessarily by sucking. The two are not mutually exclusive; ask the Oakland A's.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 25, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
Well, except that the Marlins have gone down that road twice. The Pirates make money via keeping a low payroll, not necessarily by sucking. The two are not mutually exclusive; ask the Oakland A's.

I said "team which sucks 12 out of every 15 years" didn't I? :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 25, 2011, 01:54:34 PM
NFLPA reps unanimously pass the CBA, camps begin opening Wednesday.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 25, 2011, 02:34:11 PM
HUZZAH!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 25, 2011, 03:49:55 PM
YA-A-AY!

My favorite diversion from dismal reality is back!

And now, to make it perfect: Asomugha to the Texans.

(Tim Tebow getting caught getting a BJ from a tranny who' would be great, too, as long as I'm wishing.)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 25, 2011, 04:17:53 PM
YA-A-AY!

My favorite diversion from dismal reality is back!

And now, to make it perfect: Asomugha to the Texans.


As long as he doesn't go to the Jets, I don't care.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 25, 2011, 06:39:41 PM
YA-A-AY!

My favorite diversion from dismal reality is back!

And now, to make it perfect: Asomugha to the Texans.


As long as he doesn't go to the Jets, I don't care.

You should hope for that.  It would bankrupt their spending on offense.  Great D, no O.  They'd lose all their stud WRs.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 25, 2011, 06:57:36 PM
10 year deal, no opt-outs. I'll be 32 when the NFL is back in labor talks.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 25, 2011, 07:22:13 PM
10 year deal, no opt-outs. I'll be 32 when the NFL is back in labor talks.

You really are an infant.

I'll be lucky if I'm not wearing Depends.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 25, 2011, 09:08:26 PM
Mark Herzlich to Baltimore

or maybe not. He says on twitter he has yet to make a decision, will announce tomorrow.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 26, 2011, 05:39:30 AM
Mark Herzlich to Baltimore

or maybe not. He says on twitter he has yet to make a decision, will announce tomorrow.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. PLEASE DEAR GOD NO.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 26, 2011, 07:33:52 AM
Mark Herzlich to Baltimore

or maybe not. He says on twitter he has yet to make a decision, will announce tomorrow.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. PLEASE DEAR GOD NO.

Why is this a big deal?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 26, 2011, 07:35:19 AM
  Oh, BC, I get it.  Duh.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 26, 2011, 07:45:12 AM
Yeah.. BC.

I mean, of the teams that he could go to and learn a ton and probably be a huge impact player within a year or two (provided his college career wasn't just a fluke and he's a legit pro player) would be the Patriots, the Jets, and the Ravens.. but I was really hoping that The Hoodie would sign him since BB is known for picking up undrafted free agents who have huge potential like Herzlich.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 26, 2011, 10:31:56 AM
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MarkHerzlich
Decision is made I will be a #GIANT can't wait to get to #NYC. Thank you for everything.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 26, 2011, 11:48:41 AM
damn you, Joe! You beat me to it.

Good for Herzlich, Giants are a good team with a great defense, and most importantly: they aren't in the AFC East.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 26, 2011, 12:02:45 PM
Indy's signed two notable UDFA RBs (both Indianapolis natives), throw in drafting Delone Carter and they probably aren't re-signing Addai. : (
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 26, 2011, 04:15:00 PM
Well, the Seahawks signed 19(!) UDFAs, are getting rid of Hasselbeck, and reportedly signed Tavaris Jackson, who I like a whole heck of a lot better than Kevin Kolb. Woo hoo!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 26, 2011, 04:15:20 PM
The Asomugha frenzy is boiling over in Houston.  First-born children and conjugal sharing are on offer.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/7669135.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/7669135.html)

He will want too much for it to happen, IMO.  There are already stories leaking that he wants an East Coast team and is interested in an acting career.  That sure sounds like he's in a New York state of mind, to me, and it would take an ungodly amount of money to change it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 26, 2011, 04:19:40 PM
Tavaris Jackson, who I like a whole heck of a lot better than Kevin Kolb.

 :o  !!!

Really?  Why?  Didn't  Jackson show he couldn't play when he was a Viking?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 26, 2011, 04:25:35 PM
He wasn't terrible and if you don't count the tagged guys the class of FA QBs is really weak.

The last 3 years

6 starts, 20 games played, 136 comp, 228 attempts, 59.6% completion, 1,598 yards, 7 Y/A, 13 TDs, 6 INTs, 89 QB Rating.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 26, 2011, 04:37:33 PM
Yeah, I know there's the bit where he had a heck of a supporting cast and couldn't keep his job, but doesn't that pretty much apply to Kevin Kolb as well? Plus, Kolb's numbers aren't *nearly* that nice. Kolb's stats have more in common with Matt Leinart (another guy I was hoping the team would take a chance on but now with 5 QBs suddenly in camp that's pretty unlikely) than TJ.

Anyway, have fun, whomever ends up with Hasselbeck! He had an awesome run but he's pretty much done with.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 26, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
Seahawks are bringing in Leinart. It'll be interesting. Tarvaris, Whitehurst and Leinhart.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 26, 2011, 07:23:33 PM
Which is freaking AWESOME. I've actually been hoping the team brings in Leinart ever since PC took over the job. If anyone can resurrect the kid's career, it's WIN4EVA. This is even better than I'd hoped, in that the only way Leinart is going to get actual snaps with this team is if he outplays Tavaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst (at this point, I'd say that if they all sucked, TJ or Clipboard Jesus would start). Another awesome thing about Carroll is that he's all about giving a guy a shot and then cutting bait when it becomes clear he's not going to do anything with it. That produced Mike Williams but he also signed, at one point or another last year, Reggie Williams (the GREATEST RECEIVER in University of Washington history!!!! shut up the Huskies used to be good) and LenDale White, letting both of those guys go pretty quickly as well.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 26, 2011, 08:19:57 PM
Seahawks are bringing in Leinart. It'll be interesting. Tarvaris, Whitehurst and Leinhart.

"Interesting" in the way that watching three winos fight over a cigarette butt is big-time entertainment.

Feh.  That's just sad.  Glad I'm not a Seahawks fan.  You don't suppose Carroll is playing for the Andrew Luck pick in the next draft, do you?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 26, 2011, 08:45:14 PM
Hasselbeck is pretty much gone, though. I don't see an issue with jettisoning a mediocre QB in favor of a playoff between 3 guys who could be good but each of whom individually stands a way bigger chance of being awful. Pete Carroll doesn't believe in taking seasons off (hence the "WIN4EVA") but also doesn't think a great QB is a requirement of his scheme.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 26, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
Hasselbeck is pretty much gone, though. I don't see an issue with jettisoning a mediocre QB in favor of a playoff between 3 guys who could be good but each of whom individually stands a way bigger chance of being awful. Pete Carroll doesn't believe in taking seasons off (hence the "WIN4EVA") but also doesn't think a great QB is a requirement of his scheme.

An NFL team these days without at least a very good quarterback is going nowhere.  Hasslebeck is far better than any of these losers.  If Carroll isn't playing for the #1 pick, I don't see what his plan is.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 26, 2011, 09:18:50 PM
Allow me to rain on your parade.

Seahawks DT Colin Cole has a staph infection in the ankle he had surgery on. Expected to miss the season and considering retirement. So the Seahawks are pulling out the stops to keep Mebane.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 26, 2011, 10:38:53 PM
Hasselbeck is pretty much gone, though. I don't see an issue with jettisoning a mediocre QB in favor of a playoff between 3 guys who could be good but each of whom individually stands a way bigger chance of being awful. Pete Carroll doesn't believe in taking seasons off (hence the "WIN4EVA") but also doesn't think a great QB is a requirement of his scheme.

An NFL team these days without at least a very good quarterback is going nowhere.  Hasslebeck is far better than any of these losers.  If Carroll isn't playing for the #1 pick, I don't see what his plan is.
Except that he's just not, I'm sorry. He's a year older than he was last year, last year was injury-plagued for him, meaning the drop-off is likely to be larger than normal, and last year he was only marginally better than Whitehurst for this offense (and *that* primarily because the team re-engineered the offense for him). The *best* case scenario for Hasselbeck with Seattle this year was that maybe he was going to arrest his decline (very unlikely) and still be the player he has been for the past 3 years now: very savvy, very smart, no arm whatsoever, and a guy who occasionally plays like he still has a gun.

I actually do agree with one point in here, which is that these moves and letting Hass go increase the chances the Seahawks will have the #1 pick in the draft. The most likely scenario for a Seahawks team with Hasselbeck is a 5-11 record and a top 7 or 8ish pick. This year could end with a revitalized team led by Jackson or Whitehurst or Leinart and a 10-6 record or a horrible offense that can't go anywhere and 2-14. It's way more volatile. At this point, I think that's the direction Seattle ought to be headed.

Quote
Seahawks DT Colin Cole has a staph infection in the ankle he had surgery on. Expected to miss the season and considering retirement. So the Seahawks are pulling out the stops to keep Mebane.
:( Although I do like me some Mebane.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 27, 2011, 05:47:35 AM
The Asomugha frenzy is boiling over in Houston.  First-born children and conjugal sharing are on offer.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/7669135.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/7669135.html)

He will want too much for it to happen, IMO.  There are already stories leaking that he wants an East Coast team and is interested in an acting career.  That sure sounds like he's in a New York state of mind, to me, and it would take an ungodly amount of money to change it.

Guhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Please, please, PLEASE don't let him go to the Jets.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 27, 2011, 02:04:32 PM
Mikell to the Rams
Hasselbeck to the Titans
Weddle back to the Chargers
DeAngelo Williams and Charles Johnson back to the Panthers
Gallery to the Seahawks
Paul Posluszny to the Jags
Santonio Holmes back to the Jets

Jets offering 12mil/yr to Asomugha, 49ers reportedly in the mix for him now too.

ETA: Matt Leinart will return to the Texans rather than signing with the Seahawks
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 27, 2011, 02:59:16 PM
Gallery to Seattle has been speculated ever since the season ended. He's a really good fit for the team; we've been looking for a left guard since Hutch left for Minnesota, and the fact that he's proven he is not an NFL tackle means pretty much nothing to the team, given that they've got their bookends for the next decade.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 27, 2011, 04:47:42 PM
Texans reach deal with quarterback Matt Leinart

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7671797.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7671797.html)

This surprises me.   Kubiak must see something in him that nobody else does.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 27, 2011, 04:56:32 PM
Meh. The last 2 years in Arizona, he didn't start first because of Kurt Warner and then because Ken Whisenhunt just didn't like him for whatever reason. What I heard about him is that he seems to have mostly learned a work ethic and stopped being such a partier. That being said... I don't want to allow me Seattle-osity to get in here too much, but the fact that he turned down an offer from a team with a better chance of making him a starter but also a better chance of cutting him outright might tell you something about his priorities. There is a use for a guy who can only be a backup (which may or may not be the case with him) and who only wants to be a backup. I'd be a little wary of that kind of guy though myself.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 27, 2011, 05:32:59 PM
Meh. The last 2 years in Arizona, he didn't start first because of Kurt Warner and then because Ken Whisenhunt just didn't like him for whatever reason. What I heard about him is that he seems to have mostly learned a work ethic and stopped being such a partier. That being said... I don't want to allow me Seattle-osity to get in here too much, but the fact that he turned down an offer from a team with a better chance of making him a starter but also a better chance of cutting him outright might tell you something about his priorities. There is a use for a guy who can only be a backup (which may or may not be the case with him) and who only wants to be a backup. I'd be a little wary of that kind of guy though myself.

The more I think about it, the less I get it.  Hell, the Texans drafted a QB in the 5th round this year.  They must like Leinart a lot more than their other backup, Orlovsky.  Someone will have to go.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 27, 2011, 05:56:17 PM
Melvin Bullitt and Adam Vinatieri back with the Colts. Sounds like Addai is leaving tho   >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 27, 2011, 06:52:19 PM
Melvin Bullitt and Adam Vinatieri back with the Colts. Sounds like Addai is leaving tho   >:(

I'm selling the Colts this year.  No solid RB, unsettled O- and D-lines, Reggie Wayne aging, Manning possibly missing much of preseason.

Fearless prediction: they miss the playoffs for the first time since 2001.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 27, 2011, 09:12:36 PM
Addai missed half of last year, The OL sucked so much it can only get better, the only change on the DL would be at it's weakest position (1-tech), Wayne put up huge numbers last year with less help than he should have this year, Manning missed all of preseason and was gimpy well into the regular season in 2008 and they still made the playoffs.

I wouldn't hold your breath.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 27, 2011, 09:13:21 PM
Kolb to Arizona for Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd rounder. McNabb to Minny, terms to be announced tomorrow.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 27, 2011, 10:04:23 PM
Addai missed half of last year, The OL sucked so much it can only get better, the only change on the DL would be at it's weakest position (1-tech), Wayne put up huge numbers last year with less help than he should have this year, Manning missed all of preseason and was gimpy well into the regular season in 2008 and they still made the playoffs.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Betcha a bottle of red.  This is the year a series of blown high draft choices catches up with the Colts.  Also, I'm not crazy about the head coach.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 27, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
Kolb to Arizona for Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd rounder. McNabb to Minny, terms to be announced tomorrow.
Oh HELL yes. This is even better news than the TJ signing (which, okay, was pretty neutral news). Maybe it's not quite as good as the Seahawks signing Sidney Rice, but even so... it's always nice to see a team in your division grossly overpay for a mediocrity. Pretty much all the negative stuff about Leinart applies to Kolb as well. He just doesn't have the high draft pick which makes people first overrate him and then underrate him when he doesn't play like a top 10 draft pick. I know the Seahawks were in on him but I was hoping against that from the start of the offseason.

Man, this has actually gone pretty well, I have to say. Losing Olindo Mare sucked, and it looks like the team might lose Big Play Babs (2nd string safety but a good ballhawk in the nickel and dime packages), but the offense looks upgraded for next year and, hopefully, for the future as well. Now if they can only deal with that defensive line...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 27, 2011, 10:12:48 PM
Kolb to Arizona for Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd rounder. McNabb to Minny, terms to be announced tomorrow.

Neither one a shocker.  I'm rooting for Kolb because I'm a UH alum., but I'm a long way from convinced he's a top-tier NFL QB. 

McNabb?  No.  If you can't play for Andy Reid, you can't play.  The Shanahans couldn't do anything with him in Washington, either.   Minnesota is sinking...sinking...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 27, 2011, 10:19:20 PM
I'm rooting for Kolb because I'm a UH alum

No shit!! UH '05, go Coogs!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 27, 2011, 10:26:38 PM
I'm rooting for Kolb because I'm a UH alum

No shit!! UH '05, go Coogs!!

Haw!  Small frackin' world, eh?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 27, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
Guys I have to root for: Marques Tuiasosopo, Lawyer Milloy, Jake Locker, and a bunch of retired dudes.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 27, 2011, 10:59:21 PM
I'm rooting for Detroit's Matthew Stafford.  He showed enormous guts getting up with a busted shoulder to throw a winning TD pass in 2009.  I hope to hell he can stay healthy and realize his elite talent.  The NFL is in desperate need of top QBs.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 28, 2011, 01:43:38 AM
I'm rooting for Detroit's Matthew Stafford.  He showed enormous guts getting up with a busted shoulder to throw a winning TD pass in 2009.  I hope to hell he can stay healthy and realize his elite talent.  The NFL is in desperate need of top QBs.

Yeah, I had to give him serious props after that. Mark Sanchez is also the real deal, even though it took me forever to admit that due to my antipathy towards USC...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on July 28, 2011, 05:51:21 AM
Mikell to the Rams
Hasselbeck to the Titans
Weddle back to the Chargers
DeAngelo Williams and Charles Johnson back to the Panthers
Gallery to the Seahawks
Paul Posluszny to the Jags
Santonio Holmes back to the Jets

Jets offering 12mil/yr to Asomugha, 49ers reportedly in the mix for him now too.

ETA: Matt Leinart will return to the Texans rather than signing with the Seahawks

What the hell.. how would the Jets be able to afford him? I thought they were over the cap already.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 28, 2011, 03:31:51 PM
Haynesworth to the Pats for some change Bill Belichick found under his couch.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821099a3/article/redskins-ship-haynesworth-to-patriots-for-fifthround-pick (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821099a3/article/redskins-ship-haynesworth-to-patriots-for-fifthround-pick)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 28, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
Haynesworth to the Pats for some change Bill Belichick found under his couch.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821099a3/article/redskins-ship-haynesworth-to-patriots-for-fifthround-pick (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821099a3/article/redskins-ship-haynesworth-to-patriots-for-fifthround-pick)

This blows my mind.  If Belichick can manage that knucklehead he really is a genius. 

People are saying he did it with Randy Moss so he can do it with Haynesworth, but Moss would at least report in shape, and never cleated anyone in the face that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 28, 2011, 11:12:17 PM
Texans sign CB Johnathan Joseph:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7674460.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7674460.html)

Great move.  Wade Phillips, a great draft and now this: the D could go from awful to awesome in one year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 29, 2011, 10:48:48 AM
Addai missed half of last year, The OL sucked so much it can only get better, the only change on the DL would be at it's weakest position (1-tech), Wayne put up huge numbers last year with less help than he should have this year, Manning missed all of preseason and was gimpy well into the regular season in 2008 and they still made the playoffs.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Betcha a bottle of red.  This is the year a series of blown high draft choices catches up with the Colts.  Also, I'm not crazy about the head coach.

Not a huge Caldwell fan either. Gonzalez and Brown can redeem themselves pretty easily. Gonzalez just has to stay healthy, he's been fantastic on the field, Brown just needs to improve as a pass blocker and the upgraded OL will do the rest. People are crazy being down on Hughes for not stealing PT from Freeney and Mathis as a rookie.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 29, 2011, 04:58:01 PM
Addai missed half of last year, The OL sucked so much it can only get better, the only change on the DL would be at it's weakest position (1-tech), Wayne put up huge numbers last year with less help than he should have this year, Manning missed all of preseason and was gimpy well into the regular season in 2008 and they still made the playoffs.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Betcha a bottle of red.  This is the year a series of blown high draft choices catches up with the Colts.  Also, I'm not crazy about the head coach.

Not a huge Caldwell fan either. Gonzalez and Brown can redeem themselves pretty easily. Gonzalez just has to stay healthy, he's been fantastic on the field, Brown just needs to improve as a pass blocker and the upgraded OL will do the rest. People are crazy being down on Hughes for not stealing PT from Freeney and Mathis as a rookie.

Ugoh (who cost them a 1 and a 2), Gonzalez, Pollak, Brown; those are not the impact players you need to get with #1 picks.  They've gotten better players in later rounds.  What's gone wrong in their player personnel dept.?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 29, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
Indy gave the next years 1st and a current 4th to get the early 2nd rounder they used on Ugoh. He didn't cost a 1st and 2nd. Pollak was a late 2nd rounder.

Gonzalez has just had terrible injury luck the last two years. Brown despite being a bright, hard working guy just isn't picking up pass blocking well. Ugoh and Pollak seem like busts tho.

I don't think something is suddenly wrong with the FO. Everyone misses on picks sometimes.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 29, 2011, 06:30:19 PM
Shocker! Nnamdi goes to the Eagles. 5 years, 60mil, 25mil guaranteed. No idea what they plan to do with Nnamdi, Samuel and DRC.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 29, 2011, 11:08:12 PM
Quote
coltsinsider
#Colts #NFL Addai in the fold, look for an announcement on Sunday at the latest. Just got word, short term deal incentive laden. more coming

Please be legit!!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 30, 2011, 12:04:19 PM
Looks like Seattle has basically signed everyone and everything it wanted. Robert Gallery? Check. Re-signed Mebane? Check. New QB to replace the fading Hasselbeck? Check-ish (at least they didn't pull an Arizona and sell the farm for Kevin f'ing Kolb). Depth on the defensive line? Check. #1 receiver to pair with Big Mike Williams? Check.

They could get a middle linebacker and a cornerback but really I'd be satisfied if the team opened the season with its current roster (I mean, in the sense that they have like 75 guys in camp right now and need to cut down to 46/53).
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 30, 2011, 12:08:08 PM
dola,

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Buccaneers-just-gave-a-19-million-contract-?urn=nfl-wp4161 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Buccaneers-just-gave-a-19-million-contract-?urn=nfl-wp4161)

Jesus Christ, Tampa Bay. If you're going to pay that much to a punter, make sure it's a good punter at least.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 30, 2011, 03:16:13 PM
Quote
AdamSchefter
@mortreport is reporting Colts and Peyton Manning have reached agreement on five-year, $90 million deal - average that equals Tom Brady's.

So much for the claims Peyton wanted 25mil/yr and was preventing the Colts from signing other players.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 30, 2011, 03:18:49 PM
LOL, so it begins.

http://www.reservationforsix.com/2011/07/looks-like-albert-haynesworth-failed.html (http://www.reservationforsix.com/2011/07/looks-like-albert-haynesworth-failed.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 30, 2011, 04:16:57 PM
According to Chris Mortensen Peyton requested to be paid slightly less than Tom Brady, but Colts Owner Jim Irsay refused to pay Peyton less than Brady.

That sounds like Irsay. He's crazy/awesome.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on July 30, 2011, 04:26:18 PM
dola,

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Buccaneers-just-gave-a-19-million-contract-?urn=nfl-wp4161 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Buccaneers-just-gave-a-19-million-contract-?urn=nfl-wp4161)

Jesus Christ, Tampa Bay. If you're going to pay that much to a punter, make sure it's a good punter at least.

That might be the saddest/funniest story of the week.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on July 30, 2011, 05:35:45 PM
LOL, so it begins.

http://www.reservationforsix.com/2011/07/looks-like-albert-haynesworth-failed.html (http://www.reservationforsix.com/2011/07/looks-like-albert-haynesworth-failed.html)

Quote
“There are things that we still need to do with Albert for him to be able to get on the practice field,” Belichick said.

Haw!  Like make him a functional human being?  Good luck, Bill!

People are calling Belichick a genius for this pickup + Ocho Cinco.  I'm beginning to think he's gone off the rails: where's the pass rusher they need?  Where's the deep-threat receiver? 

Considering how his brilliantly-built teams have been bounced out of the playoffs in recent years, I'd say his god-hood is coming into serious question.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on July 30, 2011, 08:49:02 PM
Shocker! Nnamdi goes to the Eagles. 5 years, 60mil, 25mil guaranteed. No idea what they plan to do with Nnamdi, Samuel and DRC.
I predict they trade Asante for an O-lineman. They still need to get deSean signed and he wants Santonio Holmes money.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 31, 2011, 07:48:26 PM
Lofa Tatupu declined the Seahawks' request to restructure his deal and he was released. :( He was pretty awful the last 2 years and is coming off of double knee surgery but even so, it sucks to lose the guys who took you to the house. I think that leaves... Marcus Trufant? I'm having trouble thinking of anyone else left from the Super Bowl team still here now. Leroy Hill was there, I think.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on July 31, 2011, 08:49:34 PM
it sucks to lose the guys who took you to the house.

Unless they are Ryan Diem. Colts fans were crushed today to find out that he accepted a paycut and won't be released.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 01, 2011, 02:54:20 PM
it sucks to lose the guys who took you to the house.

Unless they are Ryan Diem. Colts fans were crushed today to find out that he accepted a paycut and won't be released.

There were better FA right tackles available. 

Maybe the cheap price is the whole story, but I read Peyton wanted him back.  I don't get it; he was below mediocre last year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 01, 2011, 02:55:19 PM
Sean Locklear is still available!!! :D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 01, 2011, 03:12:19 PM
it sucks to lose the guys who took you to the house.

Unless they are Ryan Diem. Colts fans were crushed today to find out that he accepted a paycut and won't be released.

There were better FA right tackles available. 

Maybe the cheap price is the whole story, but I read Peyton wanted him back.  I don't get it; he was below mediocre last year.

Well now Charlie Johnson is gone (Vikings), so the tackle options were down to Castonzo (rookie), Ijalana (rookie), Linkenbach (1 year vet, undrafted), and Diem (sucks).
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 01, 2011, 03:13:26 PM
Randy Moss retires. Amazing that 8th all time in receptions, 5th in receiving yards, and 2nd in receiving TDs is him not living up to his potential.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6823929/randy-moss-retire-13-seasons-153-touchdowns (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6823929/randy-moss-retire-13-seasons-153-touchdowns)

ETA: He was supposedly only interested in playing for a top contender, so when none of the top teams showed interest, he called it a career.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 01, 2011, 05:43:54 PM

ETA: He was supposedly only interested in playing for a top contender, so when none of the top teams showed interest, he called it a career.

One of his "interests" was the Patriots.  Evidently, he can't take a hint.

It's a shame such a brilliant talent never did get it.  He could have been the greatest of all time.  Hell, he nearly was, crazy and all.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 02, 2011, 12:38:34 PM
Now the Colts get active in free agency. Picking some potentially useful players out of the bargain bin. DE/DT Jamaal Anderson and LB Ernie Sims. Anderson isn't a pass rusher (kind of a problem for a DE drafted top 10), but is strong against the run and can slide inside. Definitely an upgrade from Keyunta Dawson. Sims started 15 games for a D that was better than Indy's last year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 02, 2011, 02:08:08 PM
would there be enough fans on site to start a Fantasy League??

i had some other members that joined me a few seasons back.....Tai (someone) was one i think.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 02, 2011, 06:40:26 PM
The Seahawks already have a fantasy team!!!

Zach Miller signed today. I mean, these guys already had a TE in Jon Carlson, although obviously when you have a talent like Miller available you go out and get it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 02, 2011, 06:54:39 PM
I'm not sure how serious they both are about this

Quote
Nate Robinson
@PeteCarroll #INEEDS that good o tryout #WorDaApP

Pete Carroll
@nate_robinson we know you have great handles, but the question is: does it translate to DB skills? I kinda think it does…

Nate Robinson
@PeteCarroll coach give me a chance and I’ll prove it to u #WorDaApP the world & all my followers would love to see the outcome lol

Pete Carroll
@nate_robinson well then, see you at practice at 1:30. bring your cleats.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 02, 2011, 07:20:49 PM
PC loves to play for the media and Nate Dawg is still beloved up here. It's just funny posturing. Realistically, Robinson is 5'4", and I think that's all I have to say about that.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 02, 2011, 08:41:29 PM
Colts add another former 1st round pick on a one year deal. Tommie Harris this time.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 02, 2011, 08:55:18 PM
Colts add another former 1st round pick on a one year deal. Tommie Harris this time.

He couldn't play for Lovie Smith.  Looks like a reeeeal long shot for the Colts.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 02, 2011, 09:47:13 PM
Colts add another former 1st round pick on a one year deal. Tommie Harris this time.

He couldn't play for Lovie Smith.  Looks like a reeeeal long shot for the Colts.

28 is pretty early to be totally washed up. He's younger and cheaper than Haynesworth, and both have been ineffective for about as long.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 03, 2011, 09:52:18 AM
According to Chris Mortensen Peyton requested to be paid slightly less than Tom Brady, but Colts Owner Jim Irsay refused to pay Peyton less than Brady.

That sounds like Irsay. He's crazy/awesome.

I call bull shit.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 03, 2011, 10:09:02 AM
The Seahawks already have a fantasy team!!!

Zach Miller signed today. I mean, these guys already had a TE in Jon Carlson, although obviously when you have a talent like Miller available you go out and get it.

Miller is a great sign for the sea-chickens...with such a bad OL and not much punch with the O in general having 2 quaility TEs is going to help TJ alot.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 11:23:04 AM
I don't see that the O line is that bad, actually. It will be very young and will probably not click until midseason, but both of the tackles are going to be good and are a 1st round rookie and a 1st round 2nd year player, the guards are Robert Gallery and a 2nd round rookie, and, well, the center is iffy but 4 out of 5 ain't bad. Again, I think this team will take their lumps in September and October but 3/5ths of the line ought to form a good nucleus for the next decade, and Gallery will be solid for at least the next couple years.

Really, the biggest area of worry on offense is the QB, and with all the talent around it that he'll have, I just don't think it's that much of a worry (first 2 months excepted). The D, on the other hand...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 03, 2011, 12:29:15 PM
So uh.. Denver has quite the conundrum.

Sounds like the fans are ready to demand that Tebow is the starter, but from what I hear Tebow is not performing nearly as well in workouts as Orton. Miami is willing to trade for Orton, but frankly I think trading Orton would mean that Denver is effectively surrendering this season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 12:40:41 PM
So uh.. Denver has quite the conundrum.

Sounds like the fans are ready to demand that Tebow is the starter, but from what I hear Tebow is not performing nearly as well in workouts as Orton. Miami is willing to trade for Orton, but frankly I think trading Orton would mean that Denver is effectively surrendering this season.
Also, Kyle Orton is a really good QB and wasn't the reason the team sucked last year. Tim Tebow is a better story than a QB. I can pretty much guarantee that the fans who are clamoring for Tebow right now will be clamoring for Orton again in 2 months.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 03, 2011, 12:44:13 PM
So uh.. Denver has quite the conundrum.

Sounds like the fans are ready to demand that Tebow is the starter, but from what I hear Tebow is not performing nearly as well in workouts as Orton. Miami is willing to trade for Orton, but frankly I think trading Orton would mean that Denver is effectively surrendering this season.
Also, Kyle Orton is a really good QB and wasn't the reason the team sucked last year. Tim Tebow is a better story than a QB. I can pretty much guarantee that the fans who are clamoring for Tebow right now will be clamoring for Orton again in 2 months.

TEBOW IS GOD'S QUARTERBACK.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 01:29:37 PM
This reminds me of a comment a friend of mine made to another Christian friend back in the day which got 2nd friend REALLY hacked off. If memory serves, Evander Holyfield had a heart condition which had forced him to retire, then came back because, as he said, "God told him to", and got plastered. My friend the non-Christian told my friend the Christian that evidently God had lied to him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 03, 2011, 01:37:00 PM
This reminds me of a comment a friend of mine made to another Christian friend back in the day which got 2nd friend REALLY hacked off. If memory serves, Evander Holyfield had a heart condition which had forced him to retire, then came back because, as he said, "God told him to", and got plastered. My friend the non-Christian told my friend the Christian that evidently God had lied to him.

GEORGE FOREMAN IS A MINISTER AND HE CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT AND WON A WBC CHAMPIONSHIP AT AGE 46. EXISTENCE OF GOD = PROVEN.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 03, 2011, 03:35:29 PM
Quote
nflnetwork
According to a @michaelombardi report on NFL Network, Kyle Orton has been informed he's Denver's starting QB, and will not be traded.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!?!?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 03, 2011, 03:40:38 PM
So uh.. Denver has quite the conundrum.

Sounds like the fans are ready to demand that Tebow is the starter, but from what I hear Tebow is not performing nearly as well in workouts as Orton. Miami is willing to trade for Orton, but frankly I think trading Orton would mean that Denver is effectively surrendering this season.
Tebow needs to be given the job....he was a #1 pick and the dude WON a few games in college. i see a lot of Joe Montana in his game so far....BIGGER and STRONGER but Joe none-the-less.

let him have the chance to fail....the Broncos have been killed by the overbearing coaching of Shannahan and now that they are out from under him the coaches will be allowed to coach and hopfully the players will be allowed to play.

i don't think they are winning with either this season...but it is the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE and one can never know from year to year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 03:47:37 PM
If Denver is dumb enough to trade Orton (which, sadly, they are not), there are approximately 25 teams in the league who would love to have him as their QB. As for Tebow, teams win games, not players.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 03, 2011, 04:03:17 PM
If Denver is dumb enough to trade Orton (which, sadly, they are not), there are approximately 25 teams in the league who would love to have him as their QB. As for Tebow, teams win games, not players.

i see it the other way.....football is so dependant on the QUBE that without a winning reputation the other players begin to lose respect for the TEAM.

i'm a BIG 1Ten2 guy and love me some Orton as much as the next guy and agree that he might be better than a dozen plus starters in The League but for this club to waste a #1 on Tebow and not play him is foolish.

i think he won a few games last season as a starter....stats only play in fantasy the teammates want winners not stats...i'm sure i'm not going out on a limb when i say this.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 03, 2011, 04:27:28 PM
So uh.. Denver has quite the conundrum.

Sounds like the fans are ready to demand that Tebow is the starter, but from what I hear Tebow is not performing nearly as well in workouts as Orton. Miami is willing to trade for Orton, but frankly I think trading Orton would mean that Denver is effectively surrendering this season.
Tebow needs to be given the job....he was a #1 pick and the dude WON a few games in college. i see a lot of Joe Montana in his game so far....BIGGER and STRONGER but Joe none-the-less.

let him have the chance to fail....the Broncos have been killed by the overbearing coaching of Shannahan and now that they are out from under him the coaches will be allowed to coach and hopfully the players will be allowed to play.

i don't think they are winning with either this season...but it is the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE and one can never know from year to year.

Winning in college doesn't mean jack shit. Tebow was a "system" QB, much like Vince Young.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 04:31:34 PM
SHUT UP IT MEANS EVERYTHING

Signed,

Matt Leinart and Gino Toretta
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on August 03, 2011, 04:34:53 PM
If Denver is dumb enough to trade Orton (which, sadly, they are not), there are approximately 25 teams in the league who would love to have him as their QB. As for Tebow, teams win games, not players.

Let's not get carried away here. Orton's a good NFL QB with a sub-80 rating over his career. But he is far superior to Tebow at this level. The Broncs may love TTs intangibles and the fans may dig his attitude, but players expect performance. Fox has an out: Tebow was mcdaniels' mistake. He can correct it with minimal fallout if he wants to.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on August 03, 2011, 04:35:56 PM
It's all about the Kolb!

(http://sports-at-work.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/HoustonCougarsLogo1.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 03, 2011, 04:40:28 PM
What was the last team that won the SB without an elite QB?  Tampa Bay with Brad Johnson?  You might argue it was the Giants with Eli, but even if that's granted, it is obvious that having an elite-quality QB is the biggest key to the championship.  Players on a team that has a Chad Henne, Tarvaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, etc. at quarterback know they have almost no shot, and no shot at all unless they have an elite defense. 

That knowledge has to affect the play of every member of the team.  It makes me sigh to hear a team like the Seahawks trying to pretend they have the QB situation under control.  Who are they trying to convince, the fans?  I guarantee you the players aren't buying it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 03, 2011, 04:45:10 PM
So uh.. Denver has quite the conundrum.

Sounds like the fans are ready to demand that Tebow is the starter, but from what I hear Tebow is not performing nearly as well in workouts as Orton. Miami is willing to trade for Orton, but frankly I think trading Orton would mean that Denver is effectively surrendering this season.
Tebow needs to be given the job....he was a #1 pick and the dude WON a few games in college. i see a lot of Joe Montana in his game so far....BIGGER and STRONGER but Joe none-the-less.

let him have the chance to fail....the Broncos have been killed by the overbearing coaching of Shannahan and now that they are out from under him the coaches will be allowed to coach and hopfully the players will be allowed to play.

i don't think they are winning with either this season...but it is the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE and one can never know from year to year.

Winning in college doesn't mean jack shit. Tebow was a "system" QB, much like Vince Young.

isn't every player a system player??

i don't find this to be a ligit arguement in any area of life.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
If Denver is dumb enough to trade Orton (which, sadly, they are not), there are approximately 25 teams in the league who would love to have him as their QB. As for Tebow, teams win games, not players.

Let's not get carried away here. Orton's a good NFL QB with a sub-80 rating over his career. But he is far superior to Tebow at this level. The Broncs may love TTs intangibles and the fans may dig his attitude, but players expect performance. Fox has an out: Tebow was mcdaniels' mistake. He can correct it with minimal fallout if he wants to.
QB rating is misleading for a variety of reasons. Orton's ANYA last year was 6.4, right behind Peyton Manning and even with the emerging Joe Flacco. That is a very good mark, especially for a QB on a bad team (who is going to find himself in must-pass situations more often), and given that that's also how he performed in 2009 that's probably pretty close to his actual level of ability. Tebow was actually slightly better in his time last year, but sample size is a big issue there, and I'm generally skeptical of run-first QBs succeeding in the NFL in general. If Michael Vick is the best-case scenario, well... in his entire time in Atlanta he had exactly one season (2002) when he produced an ANYA within a yard of what Orton's done the past 2 years. He's better now, sure, but it took him 8 years to get to that point. Is that what Denver fans really want to deal with?

And again, that's really best-case for that kind of guy. Randall Cunningham had a similar late-career consolidation, again with a different team than the one who drafted him. Also Doug Flutie. Then there are lots and lots of guys who never did "get" it: Kordell Stewart is the first one who jumps to mind.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 03, 2011, 04:47:14 PM
It's all about the Kolb!

(http://sports-at-work.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/HoustonCougarsLogo1.jpg)

FO SHO

i liked him alot in college....hope he can do well in AZ
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 03, 2011, 04:47:18 PM
It's all about the Kolb!
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Even I, a UH alum, am wary about a Cougar quarterback in the NFL.  I can't forget Klingler and Ware.

Still, I suspect Kolb is different, so the Cardinals are one of my favorite teams this year.  it is, indeed all about the Kolb!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 04:52:29 PM
What was the last team that won the SB without an elite QB?  Tampa Bay with Brad Johnson?  You might argue it was the Giants with Eli, but even if that's granted, it is obvious that having an elite-quality QB is the biggest key to the championship.  Players on a team that has a Chad Henne, Tarvaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, etc. at quarterback know they have almost no shot, and no shot at all unless they have an elite defense.
Phill Simms? Jim McMahon? Trent Dilfer? I wouldn't call Ben Roethlisberger an "elite QB" in 2005, although he did have a very good year. Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett... you look at the history of the Super Bowl and you'll see a lot of very average QBs winning it all. Sure, good QBs are over-represented for the same reason that, say, good RBs are over-represented (but even more than that because a good QB has a bigger impact on the game than a good RB) - good players make good teams. But this idea that you require an "elite QB" to win the Super Bowl is hogwash.

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That knowledge has to affect the play of every member of the team.  It makes me sigh to hear a team like the Seahawks trying to pretend they have the QB situation under control.  Who are they trying to convince, the fans?  I guarantee you the players aren't buying it.
The players seem to be buying it, actually. Did you miss that the Hawks signed Simeon Rice and Zach Miller *after* Pete Carroll named Tarvaris Jackson the starting QB? Do you think these guys believe the Seahawks are going to magically acquire someone else before the season starts?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 03, 2011, 04:55:35 PM
So uh.. Denver has quite the conundrum.

Sounds like the fans are ready to demand that Tebow is the starter, but from what I hear Tebow is not performing nearly as well in workouts as Orton. Miami is willing to trade for Orton, but frankly I think trading Orton would mean that Denver is effectively surrendering this season.
Tebow needs to be given the job....he was a #1 pick and the dude WON a few games in college. i see a lot of Joe Montana in his game so far....BIGGER and STRONGER but Joe none-the-less.

let him have the chance to fail....the Broncos have been killed by the overbearing coaching of Shannahan and now that they are out from under him the coaches will be allowed to coach and hopfully the players will be allowed to play.

i don't think they are winning with either this season...but it is the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE and one can never know from year to year.

Winning in college doesn't mean jack shit. Tebow was a "system" QB, much like Vince Young.

isn't every player a system player??


Sure.. Some QBs are trained in a Pro-system and therefore have skills which are NFL-ready, meanwhile other QBs play in a option system or take > 75% of their snaps from the pistol or shotgun formation and therefore never learned to read a defense during their drop back.

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i don't find this to be a ligit arguement in any area of life.

That's like saying that getting a paramedic certification qualifies you to be a nurse even though most nurses go to school for years to learn how to be a nurse.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 03, 2011, 04:55:51 PM
QB rating is misleading for a variety of reasons. Orton's ANYA last year was 6.4, right behind Peyton Manning and even with the emerging Joe Flacco. That is a very good mark, especially for a QB on a bad team (who is going to find himself in must-pass situations more often), and given that that's also how he performed in 2009 that's probably pretty close to his actual level of ability. Tebow was actually slightly better in his time last year, but sample size is a big issue there, and I'm generally skeptical of run-first QBs succeeding in the NFL in general. If Michael Vick is the best-case scenario, well... in his entire time in Atlanta he had exactly one season (2002) when he produced an ANYA within a yard of what Orton's done the past 2 years. He's better now, sure, but it took him 8 years to get to that point. Is that what Denver fans really want to deal with?

I buy that. 

The guy can play.  If I was the GM of any of at least a dozen QB-poor teams in the league I'd be busting my butt to get him.  Sometimes I think Orton gets no respect just because of his looks.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 03, 2011, 04:55:56 PM
What was the last team that won the SB without an elite QB?  Tampa Bay with Brad Johnson?  You might argue it was the Giants with Eli, but even if that's granted, it is obvious that having an elite-quality QB is the biggest key to the championship.  Players on a team that has a Chad Henne, Tarvaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, etc. at quarterback know they have almost no shot, and no shot at all unless they have an elite defense. 

That knowledge has to affect the play of every member of the team.  It makes me sigh to hear a team like the Seahawks trying to pretend they have the QB situation under control.  Who are they trying to convince, the fans?  I guarantee you the players aren't buying it.

here is my take on the sea-chickens this season with TJ...

i expect him to have Vick like games where he is running around to save his own life and should hit Rice and the TEs for 2 or 3 big RACs a game....i think they get 6 wins this season but if TJ stays upright for 16 they could be one of the more talked about Os this season.

TJ is at that magical point in a players career where it is the break out season or break down season...i have liked what i saw in his Vike days and feel the seasons on the bench will make him a better QUBE...

the real question for me is...did he try to learn anything or did he pout while there.

he's miles beyond Clipboard jesus at this point....i still don't know how he has remained in The League at all
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 04:59:25 PM
The other issue there is the win exchange rate in the NFC West. 6 wins in the AFC North could mean 7 or 8 in the NFC West. That's damning with faint praise, I know - the defense is just not, I don't think, going to be all that good, and as noted the O-line is going to take some time to gell - but it's not like there is some powerhouse in the division who is keeping everyone else down at this point.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 03, 2011, 05:13:03 PM
What was the last team that won the SB without an elite QB?  Tampa Bay with Brad Johnson?  You might argue it was the Giants with Eli, but even if that's granted, it is obvious that having an elite-quality QB is the biggest key to the championship.  Players on a team that has a Chad Henne, Tarvaris Jackson, Jason Campbell, etc. at quarterback know they have almost no shot, and no shot at all unless they have an elite defense.
Phill Simms? Jim McMahon? Trent Dilfer? I wouldn't call Ben Roethlisberger an "elite QB" in 2005, although he did have a very good year. Mark Rypien, Jim Plunkett... you look at the history of the Super Bowl and you'll see a lot of very average QBs winning it all. Sure, good QBs are over-represented for the same reason that, say, good RBs are over-represented (but even more than that because a good QB has a bigger impact on the game than a good RB) - good players make good teams. But this idea that you require an "elite QB" to win the Super Bowl is hogwash.
A lot?  You have to sift through a lot of Hall of Famers to find those few culls, and in almost every case they were on teams with dominating defenses.

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That knowledge has to affect the play of every member of the team.  It makes me sigh to hear a team like the Seahawks trying to pretend they have the QB situation under control.  Who are they trying to convince, the fans?  I guarantee you the players aren't buying it.
The players seem to be buying it, actually. Did you miss that the Hawks signed Simeon Rice and Zach Miller *after* Pete Carroll named Tarvaris Jackson the starting QB? Do you think these guys believe the Seahawks are going to magically acquire someone else before the season starts?
Money (usually) trumps all.  The Starbucks could have done a lot better than the two QBs they wound up with.  Orton would have at least been credible.  They are writing off this season.

And Simeon Rice?   Last I heard, he was playing in the UFL.  I assume you mean Sidney Rice.  Anyway, yes, those are two good players, but they don't change the basic problem: a no-hope QB situation.

Sat, Dec 24    San Francisco at Seattle:  The Andrew Luck Bowl!!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 05:31:56 PM
Well, yes, of course. If you aren't great one way you have to be great another way. In the sense that I think that the Seahawks' chances of the Super Bowl are very slim, sure, in a sense they are "writing off the season". I won't disagree there. But the opportunity cost is just looking too high for anyone else who is left. Kevin Kolb - no offense to fans of the Houston Cougars here - has shown nothing in his career so far except "hai gusy I am a replacement player". Carson Palmer was not available, as evidenced by the fact that Mike Brown is allowing him to retire instead of give him up via trade or free agency. Orton was never really strongly available either; it would have taken the Seahawks giving up too much (probably a 2nd round pick, maybe even a 1st) to get him. Vince Young is just as big a question mark as TJ and what's more doesn't fit into the offense nearly as well. Matt Leinart and David Carr are... Matt Leinart and David Carr. Hasselbeck is done - I'm sorry, fellow Seahawks fans, but he was horrible last year in that particularly tough to watch way that once-awesome QBs can be horrible and is only going to be worse this year. That's pretty much the complete list of QBs available this year.

So sure, "Win Forever" philosophy or no, the team is taking a calculated risk that TJ or CJ are going to work out okay with the players around them. If they do, the team goes into next year in a fantastic position to consolidate with a bit of defensive improvement. If not, they've still got almost all of the pieces in place and still have the draft picks available to trade up for an Andrew Luck or Barkley or Mallett. Or trade for Kyle Orton if Tebow turns into a star. Or trade for Jake Locker if Hasselbeck is really not done (god, I wish). Seriously, this team has been pretty crap for several years now but at this point I'm feeling more optimistic about the club since like 2007 at least.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 03, 2011, 07:41:14 PM
I agree Hasselbeck needed to be traded; there was no future with him.  I'm just saying that if they had any real hopes for the 2011 season they would have tried harder to replace him.  They must have something else in mind for the long term.  It can't be Jackson or Whitehurst.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
I agree Hasselbeck needed to be traded; there was no future with him.  I'm just saying that if they had any real hopes for the 2011 season they would have tried harder to replace him.  They must have something else in mind for the long term.  It can't be Jackson or Whitehurst.
Who would they have gotten? I have listed everybody who was reasonably available already. There's not a single person in the mix who was a. available and b. demonstrably better than Jackson. Oops, I missed Donovan McNabb. He's also on the downside of his career, isn't very good right now, and is not going to be good in a couple years either.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 03, 2011, 08:36:38 PM
I agree Hasselbeck needed to be traded; there was no future with him.  I'm just saying that if they had any real hopes for the 2011 season they would have tried harder to replace him.  They must have something else in mind for the long term.  It can't be Jackson or Whitehurst.
Who would they have gotten? I have listed everybody who was reasonably available already. There's not a single person in the mix who was a. available and b. demonstrably better than Jackson. Oops, I missed Donovan McNabb. He's also on the downside of his career, isn't very good right now, and is not going to be good in a couple years either.

Orton.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 03, 2011, 08:45:37 PM
I agree Hasselbeck needed to be traded; there was no future with him.  I'm just saying that if they had any real hopes for the 2011 season they would have tried harder to replace him.  They must have something else in mind for the long term.  It can't be Jackson or Whitehurst.
Who would they have gotten? I have listed everybody who was reasonably available already. There's not a single person in the mix who was a. available and b. demonstrably better than Jackson. Oops, I missed Donovan McNabb. He's also on the downside of his career, isn't very good right now, and is not going to be good in a couple years either.

Orton.
Is not available. Has not been available. Just because Denver fans want him to be available doesn't make him available.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 03, 2011, 10:38:47 PM
I agree Hasselbeck needed to be traded; there was no future with him.  I'm just saying that if they had any real hopes for the 2011 season they would have tried harder to replace him.  They must have something else in mind for the long term.  It can't be Jackson or Whitehurst.
Who would they have gotten? I have listed everybody who was reasonably available already. There's not a single person in the mix who was a. available and b. demonstrably better than Jackson. Oops, I missed Donovan McNabb. He's also on the downside of his career, isn't very good right now, and is not going to be good in a couple years either.

Orton.
Is not available. Has not been available. Just because Denver fans want him to be available doesn't make him available.

Eh?  Waddaya mean, "Has not been available"?  Where have you been? 

http://archive.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/report-broncos-to-seek-2nd-round-pick-for-orton.html (http://archive.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/report-broncos-to-seek-2nd-round-pick-for-orton.html)

Denver's been shopping him since way before the lockout ended.  Miami was close to doing the deal last week.  Seahawks could have had him for a #2 pick next year.  They don't want to win this year, they want to be in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

(BTW, if that is truly their strategy, I applaud it.  Orton's a pretty good quarterback.  Luck's a shot at an elite franchise quarterback.)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 04, 2011, 12:09:59 AM
Well, fine then. In that respect, a 2nd round pick for Orton is too costly, especially with the new rookie salary rules (where rookies are even more valuable than before due to the new discrepancy between talent and cost). My main point here is that the team is not tanking or giving up in any way by taking a chance on TJ/CJ instead of going for the surer thing in a Kyle Orton (even to the extent that Orton was available, which I am still not convinced of - this was a weird offseason, and comments made in January do not necessarily apply to... reality).
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 04, 2011, 09:58:14 PM
Brock back with Seattle, happy for him. He's one of my favorite players not with the Colts, and clearly he's still got something to offer given last year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 04, 2011, 10:19:22 PM
Same ol' Plax:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sprained-ankle-sidelines-Plaxico-Burress.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Sprained-ankle-sidelines-Plaxico-Burress.html)

At least no firearms were involved.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 05, 2011, 10:21:28 AM
Ever classy, the 49ers decided they wanted to trade Taylor Mays yesterday... and announced this by sending a mass email to every team in the league. The only upside I can see to this is that maybe they're about to cut him and they want to see if they can get a New England or someone to kick in a 7th for him. Otherwise, stupidity reigns.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 05, 2011, 10:28:45 AM
Ever classy, the 49ers decided they wanted to trade Taylor Mays yesterday... and announced this by sending a mass email to every team in the league. The only upside I can see to this is that maybe they're about to cut him and they want to see if they can get a New England or someone to kick in a 7th for him. Otherwise, stupidity reigns.

Silly Slick, The Hoodie doesn't trade draft picks for players that he can sign as free agents.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on August 08, 2011, 10:57:33 PM
The signing of Whitner was more important than the email. The new regime realized that Mays lacks the ball skills to play SS, The fact that Carroll passed on him in the 09 draft speaks volumes.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 09, 2011, 12:06:35 AM
What I've heard about Mays is that he's sort of a 1980s safety living in the 2010s. The position has changed a lot over the past 30 years and Mays has a skillset which represents what would have been good back in the old days.

I wasn't saying that the 49ers were dumb to find someone other than Mays, I'm saying that it was monumentally stupid for them to broadcast to the entire league that he could be had for a song, essentially. I mean, look at how PC is treating John Carlson. Even after signing Zach Miller, being as he is in a situation where he has no reason whatsoever to keep the guy, Carroll insists that the Seahawks would be just fine going into the season with 2 tight ends, running jumbo sets all the time, and so on. I think that if he can't find someone willing to pay market price for Carlson that's exactly what will happen, too. Which, ironically, actually makes it more likely that Seattle will find a buyer willing to pay what the Seahawks are asking for him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 09, 2011, 11:13:58 PM
Isn't Carlson the type of guy you can flex out into the slot though? You could run something like the Colts 2TE set where Clark can play in-line or in the slot depending on what package the defense has in, while a bigger better blocking TE stays in-line full time.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 10, 2011, 12:20:02 AM
Yeah, Carlson is really versatile. He actually played a lot of fullback last year after Michael Robinson got hurt (speaking of versatile... Robinson was a pretty damn good college QB himself and I hear tell the Seahawks were wanting to use him in a wildcat-type offense last year). My point isn't that the Seahawks can't "make do" with Carlson; indeed, the fact that they can make him work is of paramount importance to that idea that they can get good trade value for him. If he was doing nothing but sitting while Miller took all the TE snaps, his trade value would only go down. But now, teams who want him are going to have to convince Seattle that what they're offering is more than what he'll give to them on the field this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 10, 2011, 02:13:36 PM
I just offered to let Chad Ochocinco move in with us. If he accepts I hope my wife doesn't mind..
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 10, 2011, 07:09:35 PM
The NFL will be a less interesting place without him.

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The big news of the week in Miami is that 27-year old LB Channing Crowder has decided to retire from the Dolphins. No one seems to know whether he’s serious or not — some people have their doubts — but he’s saying he’s retired.

So with his career (possibly) over, we’ve seen a few people throwing around some of their best Channing Crowder memories. Jason Lieser of the Palm Beach Post passed along maybe the most memorable Crowder story:

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My Channing Crowder memory: Tells me warm tale abt getting a dog for X-mas. Concludes, “But it bit a cop, so we had to shoot it in the head”
…Yeah.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/8/10/2355925/channing-crowder-miami-dolphins (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/8/10/2355925/channing-crowder-miami-dolphins)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 10, 2011, 07:25:49 PM
I just offered to let Chad Ochocinco move in with us. If he accepts I hope my wife doesn't mind..

Do you have free WiFi?  Otherwise: no deal.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 10, 2011, 09:31:49 PM
News from Colts camp is mixed so far.

Anthony Castonzo is getting some 1st team snaps, but isn't currently 1st string on the depth chart. Contrary to the plan they talked about at the draft they are focusing Ijalana on playing tackle now rather than having him in the running for a starting guard spot. Drake Nevis is tearing it up, but with Saturday sitting out that could say more about the quality of the interior line talent than Nevis. Delone Carter has impressed on the goal line but is looking rough in the passing game. Chris Rucker is hurt.

Outside of the rookies the most encouraging thing I've hear is that Jerry Hughes looks much improved. Terrorizing the edges in camp rather than just looking really athletic, but not making much of it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 11, 2011, 08:55:40 AM
I just offered to let Chad Ochocinco move in with us. If he accepts I hope my wife doesn't mind..

Do you have free WiFi?  Otherwise: no deal.

Free WiFi and XBox Live. How can he refuse?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 11, 2011, 09:13:16 AM
I just offered to let Chad Ochocinco move in with us. If he accepts I hope my wife doesn't mind..

Do you have free WiFi?  Otherwise: no deal.

Free WiFi and XBox Live. How can he refuse?

I think a Skip Bayless effigy would really put you over the top

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ochocinco Chad Ochocinco
@RealSkipBayless Skip shut up!I don't care what u or anyone else thinks.U haven't figured that out after all these years? Save ur oxygen!!!

RealSkipBayless Skip Bayless
@ochocinco: I NEEDED oxygen after you announced your silly stunt yesterday. I'VE BEEN DEFENDING YOU! Made me look like a fool. Please, child

ochocinco Chad Ochocinco
@RealSkipBayless you've always hated so keep hating,I don't want u to defend me,u were given a platform to hate,continue 2 do so .Thank you

RealSkipBayless Skip Bayless
@ochocinco: So now you WANT me to "hate"? OK, you're a disgrace to the Patriot Way. Your self-promoting behind will be cut by Oct. Thank U!

RealSkipBayless Skip Bayless
For newcomers: I always say "please, child" to Ocho just to get under his skin and in his head. It always works. Doesn't it, Chad?

RealSkipBayless Skip Bayless
Hey, @ochocinco: At 10E, ESPN2 I will comment on what you tweeted about me yesterday. But you're no longer interested, so you won't watch.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 11, 2011, 09:22:40 AM
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jpshipley JP Shipley
@ochocinco For what it's worth I hate Skip Bayless too. #wifi #xboxlive

;D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 11, 2011, 09:26:50 AM
Is an ESPN employee openly admitting to antagonizing a player a new low for them?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 11, 2011, 09:31:00 AM
Is an ESPN employee openly admitting to antagonizing a player a new low for them?

I dunno.. didn't Mike Tirico once get naked and try to jump into a woman's car while he was high?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 11, 2011, 02:59:37 PM
Prop odds are fun

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I thought these NFL HGH odds may be of interest to you.  They’re courtesy of Bodog.
 
Will an NFL Player test positive for HGH during the 2011 NFL Season (Including Playoffs)?   
Yes                               -200
No                                +150
 
What will be the position of the first player to test positive for HGH during the 2011 NFL Season (Including Playoffs)? 
Offense                         Even
Defense                        -130
 
What will be the position of the first player to test positive for HGH during the 2011 NFL Season (Including Playoffs)? 
Defensive Line                           5/2
Offensive Line                            3/1
Wide Receiver/Tight End             4/1
Safety/DB                                 4/1
Running Back                            5/1
Quarterback                              7/1
Kicker/Punter                            10/1
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 11, 2011, 03:02:19 PM
What are the prop odds on Clay Matthews testing positive for literally every steroid available?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 11, 2011, 03:10:02 PM
What are the prop odds on Clay Matthews testing positive for literally every steroid available?

He played half of last year on a broken leg. He's on PCP.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Clay-Matthews-played-half-the-season-on-a-broken-leg.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Clay-Matthews-played-half-the-season-on-a-broken-leg.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 11, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
There is literally no way that dude isn't on steroids.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 11, 2011, 04:58:20 PM
Logan Mankins' contract is the largest ever for an interior lineman. 6 years 52.25million. 20mil signing bonus.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 11, 2011, 05:00:40 PM
That's a lot of money. WTG linemen!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 11, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
There is literally no way that dude isn't on steroids.

They haven't caught him yet.

NFL irony of the decade: The Texans drafted Cushing instead of Matthews because of juicing fears about Matthews.

Oops.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 11, 2011, 09:17:20 PM
I just offered to let Chad Ochocinco move in with us. If he accepts I hope my wife doesn't mind..

Do you have free WiFi?  Otherwise: no deal.

Free WiFi and XBox Live. How can he refuse?

He can't.  You're it.  Mike Greenburg of ESPN has the wrong console, so you win.

I look forward to daily feeds of Pats' dirt right here in SGUF.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 15, 2011, 01:00:56 PM
This might be the most idiotic thing ever:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html)

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Chad Ochocinco and Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One day before this story came out by my guy Mike Reiss, one NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told me he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 01:43:43 PM
This might be the most idiotic thing ever:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html)

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Chad Ochocinco and Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One day before this story came out by my guy Mike Reiss, one NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told me he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

I'm tellin' ya, I think Belichick is going off the rails.

I hope I'm wrong, since I'm a Brady fan and would hate to see the team collapse around him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 15, 2011, 01:45:29 PM
Aaron Maybin released. Quietly he's been an epic bust. DE/OLB picked top 12 spends two years on a team with zero edge rushers and doesn't register a single sack.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 01:46:10 PM
...and speaking of QBs I have man crushes on, did anyone see Colt McCoy play the other night?  Wow! Drew Brees II.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 15, 2011, 01:48:39 PM
...and speaking of QBs I have man crushes on, did anyone see Colt McCoy play the other night?  Wow! Drew Brees II.

The comparison I've made is a healthier Chad Pennington. The big knock on him is a weak arm, but that's not a death sentence for a QB.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
That Tirico story jaypee mentioned. (http://deadspin.com/191242/here-are-those-tirico-stories-we-hinted-at-last-week)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 15, 2011, 01:50:24 PM
I can definitely see them getting rid of Haynesworth, as he's had a history of not being all the way there in practices and so on. I hadn't heard the same thing about Ochocinco though; bummer if that's the case as he's one of my favorite non-Seahawks in the league.

But overall, what the heck, why not? If Haynesworth in particular is not playing like one of the top 2 DTs on the team I don't see why the Pats would want to keep him. He's too expensive to be a backup and one huge reason why Belichick has been able to field such a good team for so long is that he doesn't make decisions based on what he thinks a guy could do but what he's actually doing. It's actually fairly similar to what Pete Carroll is trying to do up here, although instead of trying and cutting an Albert Haynesworth he did that with folks like LenDale White and Reggie Williams (also Mike Williams, although BMW was the diamond in the rough so to speak).

Yeah, paying out money in signing bonuses and then cutting a guy will mess up cap space in the future, but so does keeping a person on the team who isn't earning their keep. Really, I think one ought to look at signing bonuses as sunk costs: once the player is signed, that money is gone whether you choose to cut him or start him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 01:53:15 PM
Aaron Maybin released. Quietly he's been an epic bust. DE/OLB picked top 12 spends two years on a team with zero edge rushers and doesn't register a single sack.

Oof, what a disaster for the Bills. 

I don't remember anything about him in college; were there signs?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 15, 2011, 01:55:26 PM
Wow... and Seahawks fans call Aaron Curry a bust.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 15, 2011, 01:56:09 PM
Aaron Maybin released. Quietly he's been an epic bust. DE/OLB picked top 12 spends two years on a team with zero edge rushers and doesn't register a single sack.

Oof, what a disaster for the Bills. 

I don't remember anything about him in college; were there signs?

One year wonder. 3 years of college went, redshirt, 4 sacks, 12 sacks. That's why I'm glad the Colts put so much emphasis on college production and shy away from underclassmen.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 01:56:42 PM
I hadn't heard the same thing about Ochocinco though; bummer if that's the case as he's one of my favorite non-Seahawks in the league.

Ditto.

I hope he sticks.  It will be a lot of fun to watch him play with the Pats.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 15, 2011, 02:02:07 PM
This might be the most idiotic thing ever:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html)

Quote
Chad Ochocinco and Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One day before this story came out by my guy Mike Reiss, one NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told me he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

I'm tellin' ya, I think Belichick is going off the rails.

I hope I'm wrong, since I'm a Brady fan and would hate to see the team collapse around him.

I don't agree. This is just idiotic and idle speculation.

Say what you will about the Patriots, but they aren't the NY Yankees. The structure of the salary cap and amateur drafting system ensures that we can't go around signing epic busts like the Yankees did with Carl Pavano and Mike Brown and just shrug our shoulders, say "Oh well", and sign Roger Clemens to several $20m single-season contracts. Bill Belichick isn't just taking a flyer on Haynesworth at the cost of a 5th round pick and several million dollars of guaranteed salary. Same goes for Ochocinco.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 02:03:36 PM
Aaron Maybin released. Quietly he's been an epic bust. DE/OLB picked top 12 spends two years on a team with zero edge rushers and doesn't register a single sack.

Oof, what a disaster for the Bills. 

I don't remember anything about him in college; were there signs?

One year wonder. 3 years of college went, redshirt, 4 sacks, 12 sacks. That's why I'm glad the Colts put so much emphasis on college production and shy away from underclassmen.

He's no worse a bust than Ugoh. (http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2011/8/14/2362745/detroit-lions-tony-ugoh-mikel-leshoure)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 15, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
Bullshit, Ugoh actually started and was somewhat useful for a while. Maybin has never been worth shit.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 02:08:41 PM
This might be the most idiotic thing ever:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9496.html)

Quote
Chad Ochocinco and Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One day before this story came out by my guy Mike Reiss, one NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told me he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

I'm tellin' ya, I think Belichick is going off the rails.

I hope I'm wrong, since I'm a Brady fan and would hate to see the team collapse around him.

I don't agree. This is just idiotic and idle speculation.

Say what you will about the Patriots, but they aren't the NY Yankees. The structure of the salary cap and amateur drafting system ensures that we can't go around signing epic busts like the Yankees did with Carl Pavano and Mike Brown and just shrug our shoulders, say "Oh well", and sign Roger Clemens to several $20m single-season contracts. Bill Belichick isn't just taking a flyer on Haynesworth at the cost of a 5th round pick and several million dollars of guaranteed salary. Same goes for Ochocinco.

It's not just the personnel moves (although I'd argue trading Seymour was enough evidence).  He's been getting out-coached in the playoffs recently, too.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 15, 2011, 02:12:39 PM
Last year I'll grant you.. he got out-coached. The year before we had no business being in the playoffs, and honestly I don't think we had any business being there last year either.

2007 wasn't getting out-coached, it was key players making key plays on one side and key players looking idiotic on the other side *cough* Asante Samuel *cough*.

Trading Seymour was a great move. He got a 1st round pick from a perenially shitty team for a player that he couldn't afford to sign to a long-term deal anyway.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 02:21:37 PM
Bullshit, Ugoh actually started and was somewhat useful for a while. Maybin has never been worth shit.

Ugoh was bad.  The Colts were too patient for too long with him, keeping him so long only because they knew he was a "project" to begin with.  A dumb piece of drafting by Polian, to go with his other recent whiffs.

I hope he got it right with Costanzo, since I don't want to see Peyton get killed.  Even though I'm a Texans fan, I know it will be a duller league when the Sheriff's gone.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 15, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
He wasn't good, but there weren't a lot of LT options available around where the Colts were drafting. He was a stopgap. Not what you want in return for a 1st round pick, but of some use.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 02:28:25 PM
Trading Seymour was a great move. He got a 1st round pick from a perenially shitty team for a player that he couldn't afford to sign to a long-term deal anyway.

..and the pass rush has sucked ever since.  It was arrogance on Belichick's part to think he could easily replace a pro bowl DE.  They could have found a way to keep Seymour.

ETA: Even when he's losing it, Belichick is still better than probably 30 other head coaches in the NFL.*


*For the time being.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 15, 2011, 02:37:26 PM
Trading Seymour was a great move. He got a 1st round pick from a perenially shitty team for a player that he couldn't afford to sign to a long-term deal anyway.

..and the pass rush has sucked ever since.  It was arrogance on Belichick's part to think he could easily replace a pro bowl DE.  They could have found a way to keep Seymour.

ETA: Even when he's losing it, Belichick is still better than probably 30 other head coaches in the NFL.*


*For the time being.

When did anyone say he thought he could replace a pro bowl DE? He had to re-sign Wilfork to a long-term deal or he wouldn't have any run stopping ability, and what's the point of having a DE if people can just run up the gut on you?

For what it's worth, Seymour spent most of his last two seasons with New England on the IR list if I remember right.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 04:00:36 PM
Trading Seymour was a great move. He got a 1st round pick from a perenially shitty team for a player that he couldn't afford to sign to a long-term deal anyway.

..and the pass rush has sucked ever since.  It was arrogance on Belichick's part to think he could easily replace a pro bowl DE.  They could have found a way to keep Seymour.

ETA: Even when he's losing it, Belichick is still better than probably 30 other head coaches in the NFL.*


*For the time being.

When did anyone say he thought he could replace a pro bowl DE? He had to re-sign Wilfork to a long-term deal or he wouldn't have any run stopping ability, and what's the point of having a DE if people can just run up the gut on you?

For what it's worth, spent most of his last two seasons with New England on the IR list if I remember right.

Seymour started 15 games for N. E. in 2008.

I don't buy the Pats' excuse that it was either Seymour or Wilfork (although I'll admit Wilfork is the better player).  If they hadn't been so intent on their brilliant grand draft strategy, they could have kept that powerful combination together.  It was a damned fool mistake not to, and it possibly cost them another Super Bowl trip in the last two seasons.. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 15, 2011, 04:18:56 PM
Hmm. I think that when looking at NFL coaches, you have to really take into account that the vast majority of them are playing on almost the exact same field. The reality of the salary cap (as well as the upcoming salary floor) is that everyone basically has the same amount of funds to work with, the draft means that access to the best young players is based on how bad your team is, not other factors like market size or how *good* your team is, everyone has to practice the same number of hours, etc. When guys have an edge, it is often a small edge. To me, Belichick's have been:

1. The willingness to use players based on their skills rather than their stated position. He's far from the first HC to do this but is still a bit of a rarity even in the modern NFL of the wildcat offense.
2. A sense of ruthlessness about older players on the downside of their careers. Belichick will sign guys like that, of course, but he also has shown, to his credit, little team loyalty with long-term vets, the kind of long-term loyalty that prevents teams from replacing those guys when they stop being as useful as a younger player.

He's not an offensive or defensive mastermind on the level of a Bill Walsh or a Buddy Ryan or even a June Jones or a Dennis Green. He gets good drafts, but even there I think that's less about being some sort of drafting genius and more about having a couple of extra picks every single year from when someone else overpays for one of those older players he's decided to jettison. He doesn't even seem to have the same kind of teaching pedigree a la Mike Holmgren that's caused so many coaches to emerge from his system to have personal success (Belichick has created who? Mangenius?). What he is, is... economical is I guess a good term.

Richard Seymour could be seen as a negative effect of that way of thinking; sometimes you have to overpay to shore up a position of need because the market happens to have expanded at the particular time you needed to pay for someone. At the same time, I hate to use this term too often but he's almost the exception to Belichick that proves the rule: when he makes mistakes, it's on the side of being too ruthless, not too nice.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
Jets @ Texans tonight; new Houston players to watch:

1st round pick DE J. J. Watt has been making veteran O-linemen look bad in camp.  It's early, but so far it appears he is the beast the Texans thought he was.

Undrafted FA WR, Cotton Bowl hero Lestar Jean from LSU has been making big plays.  People around the team are saying he could be this year's Arian Foster.  He has a reputation as a flake, though, which is why he wasn't drafted.

Another FA WR, Jeff Maehl from Oregon, has people saying he's another Wes Welker.  How many of those come along every year?  Is every quick white guy with good hands "another Wes Welker"?

Rookie cornerback Brandon Harris looks to be a 2nd-round steal.  He has a chance to start on opening day.


One other reason to stay tuned in after the first quarter: Matt Leinart.  Generally considered a bust around the league, he is well regarded by the T's coaching staff and they dumped the previous backup QB in favor of him.  He's having a great camp.  It will be interesting to see what he does with his snaps tonight.   My opinion of him hasn't changed yet: he's a pussy who can't take the NFL ass-kicking.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 15, 2011, 04:33:31 PM
Richard Seymour could be seen as a negative effect of that way of thinking; sometimes you have to overpay to shore up a position of need because the market happens to have expanded at the particular time you needed to pay for someone. At the same time, I hate to use this term too often but he's almost the exception to Belichick that proves the rule: when he makes mistakes, it's on the side of being too ruthless, not too nice.

Yup, I could see it that way: Seymour did have a back injury at the end of his last season in N. E.  It was still a mistake, though, not a great strategic move.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 16, 2011, 09:23:51 AM
Trading Seymour was a great move. He got a 1st round pick from a perenially shitty team for a player that he couldn't afford to sign to a long-term deal anyway.

..and the pass rush has sucked ever since.  It was arrogance on Belichick's part to think he could easily replace a pro bowl DE.  They could have found a way to keep Seymour.

ETA: Even when he's losing it, Belichick is still better than probably 30 other head coaches in the NFL.*


*For the time being.

When did anyone say he thought he could replace a pro bowl DE? He had to re-sign Wilfork to a long-term deal or he wouldn't have any run stopping ability, and what's the point of having a DE if people can just run up the gut on you?

For what it's worth, spent most of his last two seasons with New England on the IR list if I remember right.

Seymour started 15 games for N. E. in 2008.

I don't buy the Pats' excuse that it was either Seymour or Wilfork (although I'll admit Wilfork is the better player).  If they hadn't been so intent on their brilliant grand draft strategy, they could have kept that powerful combination together.  It was a damned fool mistake not to, and it possibly cost them another Super Bowl trip in the last two seasons..

At the time though we had whatshisface from the Ravens who we had signed in FA who wound up being a huge bust, but at the time it was thought that he could pick up the slack from not having Seymour.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 17, 2011, 08:39:03 PM
Trading Seymour was a great move. He got a 1st round pick from a perenially shitty team for a player that he couldn't afford to sign to a long-term deal anyway.

..and the pass rush has sucked ever since.  It was arrogance on Belichick's part to think he could easily replace a pro bowl DE.  They could have found a way to keep Seymour.

ETA: Even when he's losing it, Belichick is still better than probably 30 other head coaches in the NFL.*


*For the time being.

When did anyone say he thought he could replace a pro bowl DE? He had to re-sign Wilfork to a long-term deal or he wouldn't have any run stopping ability, and what's the point of having a DE if people can just run up the gut on you?

For what it's worth, spent most of his last two seasons with New England on the IR list if I remember right.

Seymour started 15 games for N. E. in 2008.

I don't buy the Pats' excuse that it was either Seymour or Wilfork (although I'll admit Wilfork is the better player).  If they hadn't been so intent on their brilliant grand draft strategy, they could have kept that powerful combination together.  It was a damned fool mistake not to, and it possibly cost them another Super Bowl trip in the last two seasons..

At the time though we had whatshisface from the Ravens who we had signed in FA who wound up being a huge bust, but at the time it was thought that he could pick up the slack from not having Seymour.

A blunder by The Genius. then.  A catastrophic blunder, it turned out.

He's still got problems on defense because of this.  Where's the pass rush coming from this year?  (On offense, I did see some good looking WRs in the first exhibition game.)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 18, 2011, 08:50:51 AM
I don't know about "catastrophic".. It was costly and it left a hole in our defense, but we've still made the playoffs every year but one, and that was the year that Cassell took over when Brady went down and we still had an 11-5 record.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 18, 2011, 03:54:08 PM
So.. what team is going to draft Terrell Pryor? Maybe Carolina can draft him so they'll have two program-ruining college QBs.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 18, 2011, 04:01:13 PM
So.. what team is going to draft Terrell Pryor? Maybe Carolina can draft him so they'll have two program-ruining college QBs.

tough to give up a 4th for him....so i bet Mike Brown does.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 18, 2011, 05:42:26 PM
Todd McShay mentioned Indy which leads me to conclude that McShay is a moron. Indy loves the Big10, but they don't spend early picks on guys with character issues and they don't invest in the backup QB spot.

Pryor can't even practice the first 5 weeks of the season, which could be a major flaw or a benefit depending on whether a team has to count him against their 53 man roster limit for that time.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 18, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
So.. what team is going to draft Terrell Pryor? Maybe Carolina can draft him so they'll have two program-ruining college QBs.

If he goes round 4 or higher, it will be one of the idiot franchises like Cincinnati or Oakland.   Lower than that?  Pats--Belichick is collecting pets.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 18, 2011, 06:33:18 PM
Shawne Merriman was reportedly caught crossing the US-Canada border with steroids in his position.

http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/breaking-merriman-recently-busted-with-steroids/ (http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/breaking-merriman-recently-busted-with-steroids/)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 18, 2011, 07:10:16 PM
Shawne Merriman was reportedly caught crossing the US-Canada border with steroids in his position.

http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/breaking-merriman-recently-busted-with-steroids/ (http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/breaking-merriman-recently-busted-with-steroids/)

Oh, jeez: what a dickhead.  I was hoping he was making a real comeback.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 18, 2011, 07:14:24 PM
Sounds like he was...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 19, 2011, 05:53:54 AM
The Pats looked scarey-good last night, especially their O line. 

Michael Vick looked awful, throwing dumb interceptions.   If I were a Philly fan, I wouldn't be happy about having to depend on flaky characters like Vick and Vince Young at QB.  Does anyone here really see a Super Bowl for the "dream team"?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 19, 2011, 09:15:55 AM
So.. what team is going to draft Terrell Pryor? Maybe Carolina can draft him so they'll have two program-ruining college QBs.

If he goes round 4 or higher, it will be one of the idiot franchises like Cincinnati or Oakland.   Lower than that?  Pats--Belichick is collecting pets.

Your irrational hatred of the the Patriots is turning you into a looney-tunes conspiracy theorist.

Shawne Merriman was reportedly caught crossing the US-Canada border with steroids in his position.

http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/breaking-merriman-recently-busted-with-steroids/ (http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/breaking-merriman-recently-busted-with-steroids/)

LIGHTS OUT!

The Pats looked scarey-good last night, especially their O line. 

Michael Vick looked awful, throwing dumb interceptions.   If I were a Philly fan, I wouldn't be happy about having to depend on flaky characters like Vick and Vince Young at QB.  Does anyone here really see a Super Bowl for the "dream team"?

Their O Line? What about their swarming D-line? Two sacks from the weak side linebacker? You know what I have to say to that?

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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 19, 2011, 07:11:48 PM
So.. what team is going to draft Terrell Pryor? Maybe Carolina can draft him so they'll have two program-ruining college QBs.

If he goes round 4 or higher, it will be one of the idiot franchises like Cincinnati or Oakland.   Lower than that?  Pats--Belichick is collecting pets.

Your irrational hatred of the the Patriots is turning you into a looney-tunes conspiracy theorist.

I actually like the Pats because Brady is one of my man-crush QBs.

I also have a morbid fascination with Belichick.  He's nuts, but he's the most interesting--though far from the most flamboyant--personality in the NFL.  I think there's more to him than just winning football.  Bringing in Ochocinco and Haynesworth was Belichick at his finest: stocking his reef tank with exotic specimens for his private amusement.  Terrelle Pryor would look stunning next to the brain coral.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 20, 2011, 12:12:06 PM
LOLOLOL

Quote
FO_DougFarrar
John Clayton on ESPN710: "Terrelle Pryor's mechanics are horrible. And I just saw Tim Tebow, so I know horrible mechanics!"
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on August 20, 2011, 06:21:26 PM
Pryor to the Browns makes sense. McCoy will get hurt eventually, and they gots squat behind him. Besides, an Ohio boy who can fill the stands is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 20, 2011, 06:25:53 PM
LOLOLOL

Quote
FO_DougFarrar
John Clayton on ESPN710: "Terrelle Pryor's mechanics are horrible. And I just saw Tim Tebow, so I know horrible mechanics!"

Funny.  Gotta love The Professor's dry wit.

Again: any team that takes Pryor thinking he'll be a QB is run by idiots.  That makes the Bengals, Redskins and Raiders strong contenders.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 20, 2011, 06:29:39 PM
Uh-oh:

Colts eye opener sans Peyton Manning (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6880238/peyton-manning-availability-indianapolis-colts-opener-doubt)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 20, 2011, 08:20:26 PM
Uh-oh:

Colts eye opener sans Peyton Manning (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6880238/peyton-manning-availability-indianapolis-colts-opener-doubt)

Really blown out of proportion, Irsay doesn't seem to think about what he tweets at all. I don't think he meant anything more by it than when he asked Colts fans if they'd prefer Moss or T.O.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 20, 2011, 08:50:06 PM
Larry Fitzgerald gets 8 years, 120mil, nearly 50mil guaranteed.

I'm hoping this up Chris Johnson's demands (he's holding out until the Titans make him the highest paid non-QB offensive player in the NFL)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 20, 2011, 09:39:25 PM
Uh-oh:

Colts eye opener sans Peyton Manning (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6880238/peyton-manning-availability-indianapolis-colts-opener-doubt)

Really blown out of proportion, Irsay doesn't seem to think about what he tweets at all. I don't think he meant anything more by it than when he asked Colts fans if they'd prefer Moss or T.O.

Well, how confident are you that Peyton will be fine on opening day against the Texans?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 20, 2011, 09:47:03 PM
Larry Fitzgerald gets 8 years, 120mil, nearly 50mil guaranteed.

I'm hoping this up Chris Johnson's demands (he's holding out until the Titans make him the highest paid non-QB offensive player in the NFL)

The Titans would be crazy to pay CJ that much.  He's a running back.  He could gas out in a year or two, leaving the Titans with a huge cap hit and no production.  Ask the Seahawks how happy they were with the decision to give Shaun Alexander a huge contract.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 20, 2011, 09:48:08 PM
He'll be out there and significantly healthier than he was week 1 of 2008.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 20, 2011, 09:57:11 PM
He'll be out there and significantly healthier than he was week 1 of 2008.

I actually hope you're right.  Even though I'm a Texans fan, I love watching Peyton play.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 21, 2011, 02:15:28 PM
Uh-oh:

Colts eye opener sans Peyton Manning (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6880238/peyton-manning-availability-indianapolis-colts-opener-doubt)

Really blown out of proportion, Irsay doesn't seem to think about what he tweets at all. I don't think he meant anything more by it than when he asked Colts fans if they'd prefer Moss or T.O.

For example, these tweets just came from him.

Quote
JimIrsay
We don’t give jobs away here,people…just $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$..who do u think I am..Charlie Sheen!!!!!!

JimIrsay
Should I cool it or should I blow?? ?? ?? ??

Also from wiki:
Quote
Irsay has a habit of quoting rock music. It is rumored that he brings his guitar on Colts road trips and will play until 2 or 3 in the morning[2]. In 2001, Irsay purchased the original manuscript of On The Road, or "the scroll": a continuous, one hundred twenty-foot scroll of tracing paper sheets that Jack Kerouac cut to size and taped together, for $2.43 million[2]. Irsay is a big fan of British rock band The Who. Irsay has also acquired guitars originally owned by Elvis Presley, George Harrison, and Jerry Garcia.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 21, 2011, 04:05:01 PM
Irsay is definitely having some fun with the people hanging on his every word over Manning.

Quote
JimIrsay Jim Irsay
I'm in Mississippi,down at the crossroads....looking 4 that deal Mr. Johnson cut so many years ago....

JimIrsay Jim Irsay
Brad,I'm in Hattiesburg...is it right or left at the Firechief?

Hattiesburg is the home of Brett Favre.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 21, 2011, 08:32:15 PM
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Irsay is a big fan of British rock band The Who.

OK, you win. I will henceforth ignore any communications from Irsay.  The man is evidently an idiot.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 21, 2011, 11:09:41 PM
And Irsay is clearly laughing his ass off.

Quote
JimIrsay
Your get a lot of channeling on this Site from H S Thompson n Andy Kauffman..if u don't like the roller coaster then ride the merry go round
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 22, 2011, 09:41:53 AM
And Irsay is clearly laughing his ass off.

I liked the Robert Johnson/Crossroads reference in one of his tweets.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 22, 2011, 01:46:37 PM
The Oakland Raiders selected former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor with a third-round pick in Monday's supplemental draft... (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6885024/terrelle-pryor-oakland-raiders-supplemental-draft-source-says)

What did I say about one of the idiot franchises taking Pryor?  And they gave a third for him!

*sigh*...the Raiders  ::)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 22, 2011, 01:53:39 PM
The Oakland Raiders selected former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor with a third-round pick in Monday's supplemental draft... (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6885024/terrelle-pryor-oakland-raiders-supplemental-draft-source-says)

What did I say about one of the idiot franchises taking Pryor?  And they gave a third for him!

*sigh*...the Raiders  ::)

So Al is still in charge of selecting players? Jeez.

Although.. as a WR I think he might be a good prospect. The dude apparently ran a 4.36 40 at his "pro day"  last week. And he's tall, and has pretty big hands.. so.. I might eat my words on this one.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 22, 2011, 01:54:37 PM
It's Oakland, you won't. Even "can't miss" prospects disappoint there.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 22, 2011, 02:00:32 PM
It's Oakland, you won't. Even "can't miss" prospects disappoint there.

I guess.. didn't they draft Asomugha and that kicker Keading?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 22, 2011, 02:04:01 PM
It's Oakland, you won't. Even "can't miss" prospects disappoint there.

I guess.. didn't they draft Asomugha and that kicker Keading?

Asomugha yes, Kaeding was picked by the Chargers. The Raiders spent a 1st rounder on Janikowski at kicker. I was thinking specifically of Robert Gallery who was suppose to be a lock as a franchise LT, ended up as a decent guard.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 22, 2011, 02:13:59 PM
OK, I thought they had drafted Kaeding too.

At any rate.. it could work out, but it probably won't. I don't see Pryor as having the mental make-up to succeed in the NFL without being just insanely good at his position like Randy Moss.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 22, 2011, 02:32:40 PM
The thing is, they spent a 3rd round pick next year on a guy who can't play QB and who's shown no aptitude for anything else--and evidently has character problems, to boot.  I bet they could have waited until round 5 to get him, but N-O-O, they think he's so great they had to make sure they got him.

How'd you like to be a Raiders fan, knowing your team is run by a Howard Hughes-level whack job?  No hope until Al dies, at least.  I wonder who takes over when he's gone.

ETA: I feel a poll coming on.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on August 22, 2011, 02:37:25 PM
Really happy to see that the Detroit Lions will be nowhere near the worst team in the division this year....the Bears are making a strong case that they are complete garbage this season...

When a guy who couldn't cut it as a Lion, Roy Williams, is your #1 WR, you're in trouble....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 22, 2011, 02:41:35 PM
The thing is, they spent a 3rd round pick next year on a guy who can't play QB and who's shown no aptitude for anything else--and evidently has character problems, to boot.  I bet they could have waited until round 5 to get him, but N-O-O, they think he's so great they had to make sure they got him.

How'd you like to be a Raiders fan, knowing your team is run by a Howard Hughes-level whack job?  No hope until Al dies, at least.  I wonder who takes over when he's gone.

ETA: I feel a poll coming on.

I was just going to say that. If they had spent a 5th round pick on him I honestly wouldn't fault their decision... but a third round pick? No. Just no.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 22, 2011, 02:47:52 PM
Really happy to see that the Detroit Lions will be nowhere near the worst team in the division this year....the Bears are making a strong case that they are complete garbage this season...

When a guy who couldn't cut it as a Lion, Roy Williams, is your #1 WR, you're in trouble....

I'd be pumped if I were a Lions fan right now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 22, 2011, 02:57:01 PM
Really happy to see that the Detroit Lions will be nowhere near the worst team in the division this year....the Bears are making a strong case that they are complete garbage this season...

When a guy who couldn't cut it as a Lion, Roy Williams, is your #1 WR, you're in trouble....

I'd be pumped if I were a Lions fan right now.

Suh and Fairley are going to hurt people.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on August 22, 2011, 02:57:18 PM
If Stafford's shoulder doesn't shatter into a million bits by game 4, I might actually hope for 8-9 wins this year....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 22, 2011, 04:10:36 PM
Really happy to see that the Detroit Lions will be nowhere near the worst team in the division this year....the Bears are making a strong case that they are complete garbage this season...

When a guy who couldn't cut it as a Lion, Roy Williams, is your #1 WR, you're in trouble....

I'd be pumped if I were a Lions fan right now.

Suh and Fairley are going to hurt people.

Truth, and Stafford will be an elite QB (if he stays healthy) throwing to Calvin Johnson.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 23, 2011, 01:30:10 PM
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/23/7a9bb781-b76c-481b-879b-a280b7c444e5.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 23, 2011, 11:30:15 PM
(click to show/hide)

Haw!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 24, 2011, 09:00:24 AM
Fact: this dude went to college for free.

@ChrisJohnson28 Chris Johnson
Flying out to Nashville tonight to meet with Joel and the GM in the morning to see which way were going. Could get better or worst
18 hours ago via Echofon
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 24, 2011, 10:27:20 AM
Fact: this dude went to college for free.
@ChrisJohnson28 Chris Johnson
Flying out to Nashville tonight to meet with Joel and the GM in the morning to see which way were going. Could get better or worst
18 hours ago via Echofon
if by free you mean the countless hours dedicated to practice and film work...plus needing to maintain a GPA and course criteria NOT required of a non-athletic scholarship student.

then there is the damage done to his body that will limit his later years...PLUS it's a limited education (see Robert Smith as an example)

but yea...it's a free ride.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 24, 2011, 10:32:55 AM
Yeah.. not saying this is the case with Chris Johnson, but my friend who went to Michigan told me how she was paid by the school to do the homework of Michigan football players in order to maintain their GPA.

And I'd argue that it's a lot harder to meet the requirements of scholastic scholarship which usually requires a very high GPA than it is to get through college on an athletic scholarship.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 24, 2011, 10:40:28 AM
Yeah.. not saying this is the case with Chris Johnson, but my friend who went to Michigan told me how she was paid by the school to do the homework of Michigan football players in order to maintain their GPA.

And I'd argue that it's a lot harder to meet the requirements of scholastic scholarship which usually requires a very high GPA than it is to get through college on an athletic scholarship.

i agree that there is great value in the athletic scholarship but it is not free to the student.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 24, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
Yeah.. not saying this is the case with Chris Johnson, but my friend who went to Michigan told me how she was paid by the school to do the homework of Michigan football players in order to maintain their GPA.

And I'd argue that it's a lot harder to meet the requirements of scholastic scholarship which usually requires a very high GPA than it is to get through college on an athletic scholarship.

i agree that there is great value in the athletic scholarship but it is not free to the student.

It's free in the sense that he didn't have to take on any student loans in order to get access to a stellar educational opportunity which many deserving kids from the neighborhood or area in which he grew up who couldn't get a scholarship even though they had way higher-than-average grades compared with their peers would have loved to have.

And I was merely pointing out that while he was granted this amazing opportunity he managed to completely not take advantage of it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 24, 2011, 10:55:07 AM
Yeah.. not saying this is the case with Chris Johnson, but my friend who went to Michigan told me how she was paid by the school to do the homework of Michigan football players in order to maintain their GPA.

And I'd argue that it's a lot harder to meet the requirements of scholastic scholarship which usually requires a very high GPA than it is to get through college on an athletic scholarship.

i agree that there is great value in the athletic scholarship but it is not free to the student.

It's free in the sense that he didn't have to take on any student loans in order to get access to a stellar educational opportunity which many deserving kids from the neighborhood or area in which he grew up who couldn't get a scholarship even though they had way higher-than-average grades compared with their peers would have loved to have.

And I was merely pointing out that while he was granted this amazing opportunity he managed to completely not take advantage of it.
i hear ya...

i see CJ making the most of his opportunity. he went to college to play football and become a pro, it is a sad state of the system that the schools do not embrace educating athletes in their chosen field and instead play this silly game that takes away from the scholastic student as well.

CJ is about to earn a few million bucks in his chosen profession...he has accomplished in his profession something only a handfull of others have done and now he seeks to make the most money he can.

i'm willing to bet East Carolina holds him up as one of the school's success stories.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 24, 2011, 10:55:07 AM
Misusing grammar indicates this? Because if so, there are several people on this message board who "completely did not take advantage" of their college years.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 24, 2011, 11:03:22 AM
Misusing grammar indicates this? Because if so, there are several people on this message board who "completely did not take advantage" of their college years.

Yeah, but in my defense I don't get a lot of sleep and I spent two hours this morning huffing paint stripper.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 24, 2011, 12:32:38 PM
Misusing grammar indicates this? Because if so, there are several people on this message board who "completely did not take advantage" of their college years.

Yeah, but in my defense I don't get a lot of sleep and I spent two hours this morning huffing paint stripper.

That was probably the worst example you could have used from his twitter feed. He's usually near incoherent.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 24, 2011, 12:42:08 PM
Colts sign Kerry Collins. I'm not freaking out yet, because the backups have been horrible and all signs have been pointing to Peyton being ready, but I'm getting there.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 24, 2011, 12:46:52 PM
Colts sign Kerry Collins. I'm not freaking out yet, because the backups have been horrible and all signs have been pointing to Peyton being ready, but I'm getting there.

Honestly, if Peyton doesn't start I'm pretty sure that the margin of victory by which the Texans take the division will be the exact number of games that Peyton doesn't play.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Earl_of_Edmonds on August 24, 2011, 12:52:27 PM
Colts sign Kerry Collins. I'm not freaking out yet, because the backups have been horrible and all signs have been pointing to Peyton being ready, but I'm getting there.

Honestly, if Peyton doesn't start I'm pretty sure that the margin of victory by which the Texans take the division will be the exact number of games that Peyton doesn't play.
i like the Titans over the Texans at the moment...subject to change at the end of the week.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 24, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
Colts sign Kerry Collins. I'm not freaking out yet, because the backups have been horrible and all signs have been pointing to Peyton being ready, but I'm getting there.
Honestly, if Peyton doesn't start I'm pretty sure that the margin of victory by which the Texans take the division will be the exact number of games that Peyton doesn't play.
Never underestimate the power of a Kubiak-led team to find innovative and startling ways to lose games it should win.

(click to show/hide)
 
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If a 9-7 record is good enough to win it this year, the Texans have a shot--maybe.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 24, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
No link for the Rosenchoppa?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 24, 2011, 05:56:19 PM
No link for the Rosenchoppa?

Oh, gawd: I'd blanked that one out.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 24, 2011, 06:22:14 PM
No link for the Rosenchoppa?

Oh, gawd: I'd blanked that one out.

Here's a good one

Sage Rosenfels- GET TO THE CHOPPA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8#)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 24, 2011, 07:42:57 PM
No link for the Rosenchoppa?

Oh, gawd: I'd blanked that one out.

Here's a good one

(click to show/hide)

Sure, Joe: hurt me, just because you can.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 24, 2011, 07:44:06 PM
I'm lashing out because there's a non-zero possibility Kerry Collins starts for Indy week 1.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 24, 2011, 07:47:23 PM
I'm lashing out because there's a non-zero possibility Kerry Collins starts for Indy week 1.

Better than the 2 alternatives.

And don't abandon hope: remember what I said about Kubiak's teams' special ability. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 25, 2011, 09:22:18 AM
ESPN was saying this morning that it's looking likely that Peyton won't start the season.

The only reason this depresses me is that he was the only player with a realistic shot of breaking Brett Faveruh's "Iron Man (with a really small penis)" record.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 25, 2011, 09:36:13 AM
ESPN was saying this morning that it's looking likely that Peyton won't start the season.

The only reason this depresses me is that he was the only player with a realistic shot of breaking Brett Faveruh's "Iron Man (with a really small penis)" record.

I'm trying to imagine the fantastic creativity it will take for the Texans to lose to the Colts in the first game. With Peyton out, it might take something better than the Rosencopter.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 25, 2011, 09:44:25 AM
ESPN was saying this morning that it's looking likely that Peyton won't start the season.

The only reason this depresses me is that he was the only player with a realistic shot of breaking Brett Faveruh's "Iron Man (with a really small penis)" record.

I'm trying to imagine the fantastic creativity it will take for the Texans to lose to the Colts in the first game. With Peyton out, it might take something better than the Rosencopter.

I think what will happen is that with 2 seconds left in the 4th quarter Kerry Collins will unzip his skin and reveal to the whole world that it was secretly Peyton Manning wearing a Kerry Collins skinsuit (Collins' body will later be found in a ditch outside of Fort Wayne, Indiana). The Texans defense will collapse in shock and fear, and Peyton will lob a 72-yd bomb to Pierre Garcon for a 27-21 final score.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 25, 2011, 03:28:46 PM
Panthers owner Jerry Richardson says a bunch of retarded things (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/31544085)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 25, 2011, 06:15:14 PM
Panthers owner Jerry Richardson says a bunch of retarded things (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/31544085)

More evidence that some NFL owners think of players as chattel.  What a dick.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 26, 2011, 09:02:33 AM
Well.. I guess it's no different than the Yankees..

I just think it's absurd that you would base a huge personnel decision on whether or not a player will maintain a clean cut image. What if Newton had said no? Would the Panthers have not drafted him? What if they had not drafted him and he went on to be a multiple Super Bowl winning QB for some other team?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 26, 2011, 09:08:44 AM
Well.. I guess it's no different than the Yankees..

I just think it's absurd that you would base a huge personnel decision on whether or not a player will maintain a clean cut image. What if Newton had said no? Would the Panthers have not drafted him? What if they had not drafted him and he went on to be a multiple Super Bowl winning QB for some other team?

LOL, That's hilarious. Cam Newton wining multiple Super Bowls.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on August 26, 2011, 09:14:21 AM
Oh yeah, I should have added that I think Richardson would have been better off spending his 1st overall pick on a useless pile of factory reject bricks, and then taken a huge pile of money and set it fire on top of the pile of useless malformed bricks, and then he should have ordered his coach to forfeit 3/4s of his team's games every season for the next 4 years, because that's basically what he did by drafting Newton.


Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 26, 2011, 02:06:35 PM
Well.. I guess it's no different than the Yankees..

I just think it's absurd that you would base a huge personnel decision on whether or not a player will maintain a clean cut image. What if Newton had said no? Would the Panthers have not drafted him? What if they had not drafted him and he went on to be a multiple Super Bowl winning QB for some other team?

LOL, That's hilarious. Cam Newton wining multiple Super Bowls.
^ this

I know jaypee was not claiming this is in any way likely, but I LOL'd anyway. 

.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 26, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
Quote
"Perhaps this mean it is truly the end of days and you should buy guns, gold, duct tape or whatever you are supposed to purchase when the world is coming to an end."
-Steph
Football Outsiders predicts Texans to win AFC South. Really. (http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2011/08/qa-with-football-outsiders-on-their-texans-playoff-prediction/)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 26, 2011, 03:22:49 PM
They aren't big on the Colts this year, but given that their play last year was hurt by injuries even more than usual, I bet Indy will be a popular pick among the Outsiders for "team most likely to outperform it's projection".
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Peace Bunny on August 27, 2011, 04:37:36 PM
You guys: get over to the 'Forum Games' and sign up for fantasy football or we can't play and it is your fault and I'll be all cross. Grrrr.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 29, 2011, 04:53:16 PM
Peyton Manning taken off the PUP list and has begun practicing. Says that the decision to play or not to play week 1 will be made then, by him, after taking the opinion of the team doctors into account.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 29, 2011, 04:57:42 PM
Kelly Jennings: TRADED!!!!

Okay, some folks are calling this some MASSIVE move by the Seattle FO in that they were going to cut him anyway, but it's not like the other guy had a spot on Cincy's roster either. My only hope is that they decide to start KJ from game 1 and see how awful he is for themselves.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 30, 2011, 07:02:25 PM
John Carlson undergoes season ending shoulder surgery. Sad, I was looking forward to seeing a great 2TE offense from them.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 30, 2011, 07:22:41 PM
The Seahawks could still have a decent one out of Miller and Cameron Morrah once he's healthy again. Still, of all the positions to get hurt at, this one was probably the "best" (well, outside of Tarvaris Jackson suffering an injury so that Charlie Whitehurst can not run around like a clown on fire).
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on August 30, 2011, 09:25:53 PM
outside of Tarvaris Jackson suffering an injury so that Charlie Whitehurst can not run around like a clown on fire).

Honestly, if I were a Seahawks fan I'd pray they BOTH went down this next game so my team would be forced to sign a half-decent QB after teams make final cuts Saturday. Both have had over half a decade to win a starting job elsewhere and been found wanting. Why Carroll didn't want Andy Dalton (or Ryan Mallett, who was still there in the 3d rd) is a mystery.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on August 30, 2011, 09:43:47 PM
Who is out there that's worth starting? I don't think Jackson or Whitehurst are good, but shit, even Kerry Collins has been lured out of retirement at this point.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 30, 2011, 11:30:46 PM
Who is out there that's worth starting? I don't think Jackson or Whitehurst are good, but shit, even Kerry Collins has been lured out of retirement at this point.

That's the NFL's dirty secret: there simply aren't enough good quarterbacks to go around—not by a long shot.

Elites:
Brady
Brees
Peyton Manning
Rivers
Rodgers
Roethlisberger

Sub-elites:
Ryan
Flacco
Schaub
Vick
Romo
Eli Manning
Cutler (OK, maybe he sucks, but I like him)

Rising stars
Stafford
Freeman
Bradford
McCoy

That's 17 QBs you could be happy about if they were taking snaps for your team.  But that leaves HALF THE LEAGUE laboring in the hopeless darkness of QB suckiness.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 30, 2011, 11:47:47 PM
outside of Tarvaris Jackson suffering an injury so that Charlie Whitehurst can not run around like a clown on fire).

Honestly, if I were a Seahawks fan I'd pray they BOTH went down this next game so my team would be forced to sign a half-decent QB after teams make final cuts Saturday. Both have had over half a decade to win a starting job elsewhere and been found wanting. Why Carroll didn't want Andy Dalton (or Ryan Mallett, who was still there in the 3d rd) is a mystery.
I think he took a look at how the line was going to take oh, half a year to put together and decided not to subject his starting QB of the future to that. I also think that Whitehurst is closer to being ready for prime time than Jackson. In a regular offseason I think there'd be a much bigger battle for the job; as it stands, I think Whitehurst will take over some time in the 2nd month, about the time the line starts to gel.

Anyway, to the list at bottom I'd definitely add Jon Kitna. Come on, mang! The guy has played his way into a starting role pretty much everywhere he's gone. Also, I want to point this article out:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011/08/how-quarterbacks-age.html (http://www.advancednflstats.com/2011/08/how-quarterbacks-age.html)

It seems that QBs actually age a lot more slowly than people (and NFL head coaches) think they do. Don't get me wrong, I still think Hasselbeck's done, but overall it's interesting that what really seems to happen is that there's a peak from 26-29 (just like baseball players! Hey!) followed by a slow decline over the next entire decade or so. In the end, good QBs end up hanging up the cleats more because they've decided to retire, have been dumped in favor of a kid who may or may not succeed, or have been passed over after a bad season (which happens to everyone, including older guys) than because they've aged their way out of the league. Vinny Testaverde? Aged out of the league. Donovan McNabb? I don't think that's so much the case.

I think Hasselbeck has dropped to the point where 4.5-5 AYPA is around his true level now, which is actually still good enough to remain in the league and allow a head coach to evaluate talent but won't win his team a lot of games on his own.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on August 31, 2011, 08:29:18 AM
Why didn't the Seahawks try for a QB in the draft? 

SUCK FOR LUCK 2011! (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=12053352)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on August 31, 2011, 06:52:17 PM
Why didn't the Seahawks try for a QB in the draft? 

SUCK FOR LUCK 2011! (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=12053352)

This strategem never works.. No matter how bad a team is- -and Seattle's pretty damn bad--there's always at least one of the remaining 31 that sucks even worse. Besides, Pete Carroll has a huge ego, and an owner with health issues who isn't bashful about canning coaches even during the season. Then there's the Niners and Harbaugh, who has total job security and could easily tank it for a season to get the guy he coached at Stanford. I don't think he will, but if any team went the S4L route, it would be SanFran.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 31, 2011, 07:15:53 PM
Yeah, Seattle has a bad QB situation and an iffy defense. I don't see it as the worst team in football, though. That could easily be the Panthers again, or maybe the Bengals or the Raiders. The 49ers did surprisingly little this offseason so they could be in the running, too. The "problem" with being bad in the NFC West is that no matter how bad you are, 3 other teams are nearly as bad and so you are virtually guaranteed 2 or 3 wins just from home games vs. division rivals. I think Seattle will finish somewhere around 5-11 or 6-10 and end up with a top 10ish pick.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on September 01, 2011, 01:43:09 AM
I think the Rams and Cards will score enough points to be 8-8 or better; if Bradford and SJackson stay healthy the Rams might win 10 games. But if Harbaugh sticks with Alex Stiff the Niners will certainly contend for the Luck sweepstakes.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 01, 2011, 09:29:54 AM
Why didn't the Seahawks try for a QB in the draft? 

SUCK FOR LUCK 2011! (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=12053352)

This strategem never works.. No matter how bad a team is- -and Seattle's pretty damn bad--there's always at least one of the remaining 31 that sucks even worse. Besides, Pete Carroll has a huge ego, and an owner with health issues who isn't bashful about canning coaches even during the season. Then there's the Niners and Harbaugh, who has total job security and could easily tank it for a season to get the guy he coached at Stanford. I don't think he will, but if any team went the S4L route, it would be SanFran.

And then there's always the possibility that Luck will have a career-ending injury in his final year like Bradford nearly had.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 01, 2011, 12:17:36 PM
Why didn't the Seahawks try for a QB in the draft? 

SUCK FOR LUCK 2011! (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=12053352)

This strategem never works.. No matter how bad a team is- -and Seattle's pretty damn bad--there's always at least one of the remaining 31 that sucks even worse. Besides, Pete Carroll has a huge ego, and an owner with health issues who isn't bashful about canning coaches even during the season. Then there's the Niners and Harbaugh, who has total job security and could easily tank it for a season to get the guy he coached at Stanford. I don't think he will, but if any team went the S4L route, it would be SanFran.

And then there's always the possibility that Luck will have a career-ending injury in his final year like Bradford nearly had.

You have to try to get Luck.  The league is set up to demand excellence at QB.  If yours is one of the many teams with weak QB situations, you have got to take a shot at Luck if you can.

Look at some of the teams that have been searching for a solid, franchise QB for so long, and what it's meant to their fortunes:
Buffalo-no QB since Kelly
Miami-no QB since Marino
Washington-no QB since Theismann (Williams doesn't count because he had such a short career there)
Detroit-no QB since Bobby Lane, FFS
Etc.

If you're stuck in bad QB world, your franchise is in a state of chronic desperation.  YOU HAVE TO GET THIS FIXED, and you don't get many chances.  If I were GM of such a team and we were one loss away at the end of this season from getting the #1 pick, I absolutely would conspire with the head coach to make sure that game came out the "right" way.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 01, 2011, 12:34:32 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that there's an inherent risk in tanking your season in the hopes that you can draft a player who might end up getting severely injured in the last game of his college career or something. The chances are small, but think about how close Bradford was to not being a star NFL QB, or how close Stafford came to ending his career by being thrust into the starting role early..

And then you have dudes like Cassell or Flacco who weren't even top prospects (well, Flacco sort of was).

Picking a franchise QB is a tough job, and even bona fide college stars like Tebow and Young and Quinn and Newton and (to a lesser extent) whatshisface from Notre Dame.. Scrotey McSpeedoPants or whatever he's called.. that guy. Huge star at ND, and Carolina drafted Newton because he McSpeedoPants isn't good enough for the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 01, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
Washington won a Super Bowl with Mark Rypien in the midst of that, so if that's drifting in the desert, it's the kind of drift a lot of teams would dream to be able to do. Also, the Ravens won a Super Bowl and did pretty well for themselves without ever having a franchise QB (maybe Flacco will be that guy for them finally but maybe not). The Steelers have done well with a game manager (Rofflesburger is big and has improved but I certainly wouldn't put him on the level of a Manning or a Brady). Seattle went to the Super Bowl with a QB it lifted off of Green Bay's scrap pile. The Giants have Eli Manning now and Phil Simms - a game manager himself - before.

There's also no guarantee that Luck will turn into that guy. He doesn't trip the switches (few college starts, poor completion percentage) which almost always automatically make a guy into a crap NFL QB but that doesn't mean he'll automatically be good either. And teams *do* find guys in later rounds time and again. Even later in the first; Dan Marino is a prime example of a guy who was actually towards the rear of the 1st round of the jam-packed QB Class of 1983. So yes, it's better to have a great QB than not to have one (just the same as it's better to have a great RB or a great LT) but it's not like it's just a matter of tanking the season to get to spend your #1 on a guy who will be the next great thing.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 01, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Washington won a Super Bowl with Mark Rypien in the midst of that, so if that's drifting in the desert, it's the kind of drift a lot of teams would dream to be able to do. Also, the Ravens won a Super Bowl and did pretty well for themselves without ever having a franchise QB (maybe Flacco will be that guy for them finally but maybe not). The Steelers have done well with a game manager (Rofflesburger is big and has improved but I certainly wouldn't put him on the level of a Manning or a Brady). Seattle went to the Super Bowl with a QB it lifted off of Green Bay's scrap pile. The Giants have Eli Manning now and Phil Simms - a game manager himself - before.

There's also no guarantee that Luck will turn into that guy. He doesn't trip the switches (few college starts, poor completion percentage) which almost always automatically make a guy into a crap NFL QB but that doesn't mean he'll automatically be good either. And teams *do* find guys in later rounds time and again. Even later in the first; Dan Marino is a prime example of a guy who was actually towards the rear of the 1st round of the jam-packed QB Class of 1983. So yes, it's better to have a great QB than not to have one (just the same as it's better to have a great RB or a great LT) but it's not like it's just a matter of tanking the season to get to spend your #1 on a guy who will be the next great thing.

Right, and the fact that Dan Marino had every passing record possible until Favre lasted long enough to shittily surpass him didn't equal a single SB ring for the Dolphins.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 01, 2011, 01:04:44 PM
In some ways, Marino actually hurt the Dolphins in that even when they had a kind of crappy team (especially the defense) around Marino his incredibly quick release was enough to keep the team from totally sucking and getting the kind of top-tier talent that would have propelled them to that next level. They never were able to put together a running game while he was a top tier player. And really... Joe Montana was also a project who was able to be brought in because his skillset was not valued by the NFL in the late 70s, and then his successor was a complete bust in Tampa Bay who had to sit and learn the offense for a couple years before proving he wasn't so bad. Favre was acquired by the Packers after a season in which he was the 3rd stringer for the Falcons. Those super-high pick QBs do work out sometimes - Peyton Manning being the best example - but it's just as often the case that they turn into simply useful, usable QBs a la Drew Bledsoe. I'm not saying that a 23 year old Drew Bledsoe would sink a team like the Seahawks but I'm not exactly behind tanking the season to get a guy like that (and then of course there are David Carr, Rick Mirer, and Ryan Leaf).
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 01, 2011, 06:26:15 PM

There's also no guarantee that Luck will turn into that guy. He doesn't trip the switches (few college starts, poor completion percentage) which almost always automatically make a guy into a crap NFL QB but that doesn't mean he'll automatically be good either. And teams *do* find guys in later rounds time and again. Even later in the first; Dan Marino is a prime example of a guy who was actually towards the rear of the 1st round of the jam-packed QB Class of 1983. So yes, it's better to have a great QB than not to have one (just the same as it's better to have a great RB or a great LT) but it's not like it's just a matter of tanking the season to get to spend your #1 on a guy who will be the next great thing.

All true, but as GM of a QB-poor team you must take the shot at what all the scouts are saying is the closest to a sure thing coming out of college in a long time.

Sure, if you draft him he may be a bust and you may get fired, but if you continue with your current QBs, you will definitely get fired.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jack R. on September 01, 2011, 06:51:02 PM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on September 01, 2011, 06:59:56 PM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.

Not that you're wrong for feeling the way you do, but I believe that the man has paid his time and should be allowed to compete again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 01, 2011, 07:17:43 PM

There's also no guarantee that Luck will turn into that guy. He doesn't trip the switches (few college starts, poor completion percentage) which almost always automatically make a guy into a crap NFL QB but that doesn't mean he'll automatically be good either. And teams *do* find guys in later rounds time and again. Even later in the first; Dan Marino is a prime example of a guy who was actually towards the rear of the 1st round of the jam-packed QB Class of 1983. So yes, it's better to have a great QB than not to have one (just the same as it's better to have a great RB or a great LT) but it's not like it's just a matter of tanking the season to get to spend your #1 on a guy who will be the next great thing.

All true, but as GM of a QB-poor team you must take the shot at what all the scouts are saying is the closest to a sure thing coming out of college in a long time.

Sure, if you draft him he may be a bust and you may get fired, but if you continue with your current QBs, you will definitely get fired.
Sure, if you happen to have the #1 pick you need to draft Luck, but that doesn't mean that you tank the season in order to acquire him. Tanking the season in general is a stupid idea.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jack R. on September 01, 2011, 08:53:30 PM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.

Not that you're wrong for feeling the way you do, but I believe that the man has paid his time and should be allowed to compete again.

He did his time for running an illegal interstate gambling ring.  He has every right to earn a living, but he doesn't have a right to be a professional athlete - any more than a convicted burgler has a right to make a living installing alarm systems.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on September 01, 2011, 10:20:09 PM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.

Not that you're wrong for feeling the way you do, but I believe that the man has paid his time and should be allowed to compete again.

He did his time for running an illegal interstate gambling ring.  He has every right to earn a living, but he doesn't have a right to be a professional athlete - any more than a convicted burgler has a right to make a living installing alarm systems.

If a company feels comfortable hiring a convicted burglar as an alarm system installer, then I'm all for it. Such a person would probably be extremely good at it.

Not the same thing as Vick though--you're saying you wouldn't support somebody getting a job doing something that they were convicted of taking advantage of. Vick, on the other hand, was convicted of animal abuse (really really nasty animal abuse that I wish I could kick him in the nuts for) and illegal gambling--but why you think that should bar him from being hired as an athlete is a mystery to me.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 01, 2011, 10:31:17 PM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.

If I were an Eagles fan I'd be less concerned about the dog fighting stuff, and more concerned that he's over 30 and has only once played all 16 games or completed over 57% of his passes.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on September 01, 2011, 10:32:24 PM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.

If I were an Eagles fan I'd be less concerned about the dog fighting stuff, and more concerned that he's over 30 and has only once played all 16 games or completed over 57% of his passes.

Yeah, but when he's playing, he's pretty freaking awesome... maybe not the best move--but not a terrible bet, either.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jack R. on September 02, 2011, 12:09:26 AM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.

Not that you're wrong for feeling the way you do, but I believe that the man has paid his time and should be allowed to compete again.

He did his time for running an illegal interstate gambling ring.  He has every right to earn a living, but he doesn't have a right to be a professional athlete - any more than a convicted burgler has a right to make a living installing alarm systems.

If a company feels comfortable hiring a convicted burglar as an alarm system installer, then I'm all for it. Such a person would probably be extremely good at it.

Not the same thing as Vick though--you're saying you wouldn't support somebody getting a job doing something that they were convicted of taking advantage of. Vick, on the other hand, was convicted of animal abuse (really really nasty animal abuse that I wish I could kick him in the nuts for) and illegal gambling--but why you think that should bar him from being hired as an athlete is a mystery to me.

You may be all for a security company hiring a convicted burglar, but in the real world this company would risk losing its bond and insurance, and would be sued out of existance the first time something went wrong. 

And I'll admit that my opinion of him is heavily colored by his history of animal cruelty.  And the fact that he got a suspended sentence for his animal cruelty charges doesn't sit well with me.

But re the gambling:  It comes down to this:  If he's willing to run an illegal gambling operation, then he'd be willing to break the law to make money gambling on sports.  He shouldn't be placed in a position of trust.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 02, 2011, 09:10:54 AM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.

Not that you're wrong for feeling the way you do, but I believe that the man has paid his time and should be allowed to compete again.

He did his time for running an illegal interstate gambling ring.  He has every right to earn a living, but he doesn't have a right to be a professional athlete - any more than a convicted burgler has a right to make a living installing alarm systems.

Interestingly enough, convicted burglars are often hired as consultants by security companies. Your analogy fails because a convicted burglar actually does have the right to engage in any lawful employment that doesn't violate the terms of his/her parole.

Look, I hate Vick too. I think he's a moron, I think he's overrated, and I'm still about 90% certain that he's going to be a bust for Eagles.. beyond that, though.. it's not any of my business if a team rates his talent highly enough to want to throw a max contract at him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 02, 2011, 09:59:12 AM
Michael Vick's 'Six-year, $100m' contract actually a Five-year, $81m contract]http://www.slate.com/id/2302911/]Michael Vick's 'Six-year, $100m' contract actually a Five-year, $81m contract (http://www.slate.com/id/2302911/)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 02, 2011, 12:58:10 PM
I'm just stunned by the Eagles giving Vick a $100M contract.  The SOB shouldn't even be allowed to suit up.

If I were an Eagles fan I'd be less concerned about the dog fighting stuff, and more concerned that he's over 30 and has only once played all 16 games or completed over 57% of his passes.

^ 'Zackly. 

Their backup is Vince Young, a guy with a similar history of fragility (http://dailylocal.com/articles/2011/09/02/sports/srv0000013567015.txt) and character issues.  They will end up wishing they'd kept Kolb.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 02, 2011, 01:01:41 PM
Except that Kolb isn't all that great either. I think the name you were looking for was Donovan McNabb.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 02, 2011, 01:17:27 PM
Except that Kolb isn't all that great either. I think the name you were looking for was Donovan McNabb.

Yeah, well he had durability issues himself.. and I think he's way over the hill.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 02, 2011, 01:18:58 PM
I'll refer you to that Advanced Football Stats article I posted yesterday or the day before. Quarterbacks appear to age a *lot* more slowly than people think they do.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 02, 2011, 02:46:03 PM
I'll refer you to that Advanced Football Stats article I posted yesterday or the day before. Quarterbacks appear to age a *lot* more slowly than people think they do.

Maybe so, but McNabb has had more health issues than your average QB.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 02, 2011, 03:03:53 PM
Except that Kolb isn't all that great either.
He's looked a hell of a lot better than what they had before in Arizona, but OK, it's still early days.  Still, I stick with the statement the Eagles will wish they had him back.

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I think the name you were looking for was Donovan McNabb.
Nope.  Andy Reid decided he was done 2 years ago.  No way he was the future in Philly.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 02, 2011, 03:14:30 PM
McNabb may not have the durability to play 16 games a year but he's shown himself to be worth around 6 to 6.5 yards per attempt (at least until last year). I think Reid made a very common mistake in deciding he wanted to move on, but it was a mistake nonetheless. As for Kolb, its funny you mention his predecessors in Arizona because Derek Anderson is basically the same player as he.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 02, 2011, 03:43:14 PM
As for Kolb, its funny you mention his predecessors in Arizona because Derek Anderson is basically the same player as he.

I doubt the staff there--or Larry Fitzgerald--would agree.

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We'll see for sure this season, but I'm betting Kolb is a player.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 02, 2011, 03:48:08 PM
I can post highlights of Derek Anderson's career as well. As in everything else, anecdotes are not data.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 02, 2011, 04:20:24 PM
I can post highlights of Derek Anderson's career as well. As in everything else, anecdotes are not data.

Anderson has a lower career QB rating than Kolb, but more importantly, has proved conclusively that he sucks after five seasons as a starter.  As I said, the jury's out on Kolb, but I've watched him play enough to think he's smarter and more accurate than Anderson.

Tell ya' what: I'll bet you a bottle of hooch that you'll agree he's the better player after this season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 02, 2011, 05:14:28 PM
QB Rating is a horrible method to grade QBs by. It grossly overrates TD percentage and basically double-counts completion percentage (in that a person who completes a lot of passes should also have a high yards-per-attempt unless they're completing a lot of dump-off passes, in which case the completion percentage is misleading). Kolb has a career ANYA of 4.5, which is actually lower than Anderson's career 4.8 (although the two are close enough to be considered more or less equal) and last year, when he was bad enough to lose his job, Anderson posted a 4.5. Sure, Kolb was better in 2009 but he wasn't that good in the time he had last year and overall cherry picking that one year when his career totals indicate something else is almost as bad as judging him by a couple of highlights.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 02, 2011, 05:19:42 PM
Do we have a bet or not?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 02, 2011, 05:29:15 PM
I don't bet on sports. It makes me crabby. As for whether Kolb has a shot at being better, he certainly has more variability; given the fact that he hasn't really played a lot, it's entirely possible that the sample size is underrating him (of course it could be overrating him too). I'm just generally not impressed with him though and TBH am glad that the Seahawks didn't pick him up (not that Tarvaris Jackson is going to be any better, but given how much the Cardinals gave up to get a guy who might well be the 25th best QB in the league next year, the price was a lot more reasonable).
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 02, 2011, 06:58:24 PM
I don't bet on sports. It makes me crabby. As for whether Kolb has a shot at being better, he certainly has more variability; given the fact that he hasn't really played a lot, it's entirely possible that the sample size is underrating him (of course it could be overrating him too). I'm just generally not impressed with him though and TBH am glad that the Seahawks didn't pick him up (not that Tarvaris Jackson is going to be any better, but given how much the Cardinals gave up to get a guy who might well be the 25th best QB in the league next year, the price was a lot more reasonable).

I remain unconvinced in the Starbucks' sincerity in making something of this season.  Tarvaris Jackson?  Who could seriously believe in him as a hope fore the future?  And the very fact that they picked him up is evidence they know the Whitehurst move is a failure.

Are they attempting to suck for Luck?  That seems too outrageous to believe.  OTOH, it is hard to understand just WTF they are up to.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 02, 2011, 08:08:00 PM
I think that the weirdness of the offseason kind of tied the team's hands. I believe they wanted Carson Palmer but Mike Brown decided to play hardball with him. Perhaps they could have acquired Orton if the lockout hadn't happened but the reality of that situation was that regardless of how available the Broncos said he'd be in January, he wasn't available in July. Who does that leave? Vince Young was rumored to be coming over here but he fits in with this offense significantly less well than Jackson should. I liked the idea of Matt Leinart and at one point it looked like Seattle actually had signed him but he decided to go somewhere where he wasn't going to compete for a job (in Seattle he could have ended up anywhere from lurking over TJ and ready to start as early as like Week 3 or 4 or, if he played poorly, cut in favor of Josh Portis).

I definitely don't think the team is trying to tank - they did too much in free agency for that. I think that it's closer to the truth to say that they're taking a chance on a couple of QBs who, if they don't work out, will leave the team with a decent pick to acquire a Matt Barkley perhaps and, unlike the Rrrrraidas or whoever actually does take the #1 pick (again, won't happen to an NFC West team; the other guys in the division are just too mediocre to run the table), that high pick will have a lot of weapons to utilize and (hopefully) a young offensive line which took its lumps a year before. I still don't *quite* think that appeals to the WIN4EVA philosophy but that's how I see what's happening.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 02, 2011, 09:37:11 PM
Getting Carson Palmer would totally change my estimation of this team's prospects. He completely fits in Seattle.

Right now, he's playing chicken with the sorry-ass Bengals management.  If he shows up, they have to pay him $11.5M this year, even though they are committed to their über jeebus-boy rookie QB. I can't see cheap-shit Mike Brown taking that hit, so a Palmer-to-Seattle trade seems entirely plausible.  It has to happen quickly, though.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 02, 2011, 09:41:22 PM
I think Brown is crazy enough to just cut Palmer outright and let the Panthers snap him up. Unfortunately, their "success" last year means that Seattle is waaaaaaaaaaaaay back on the waiver list. I'm sure JS/PC are on the phone with Brown right now offering to surrender a 7th or a 6th for him. The thing is, Brown is terrible. He's as likely as not to look at that offer, call it an insult because Carson's worth a 1st or something, and cut him outright out of spite.

But yeah, I think the addition of Palmer not only improves the team by a couple wins instantly, it also improves the offensive line a TON. Like half the sacks that TJ's had in the preseason have been caused by him feeling heat that wasn't necessarily there and running around instead of getting rid of the ball.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 02, 2011, 10:16:08 PM
Palmer's a Shakespearean NFL tragedy: an elite quarterback condemned to the dungeons of one of the league's sickest franchises.  I hope he has a chance to be great somewhere else.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 03, 2011, 04:26:46 PM
A QB-rich 2012 draft.  Hope for the NFL's underprivileged?

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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on September 03, 2011, 06:34:45 PM
A QB-rich 2012 draft.  Hope for the NFL's underprivileged?

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Don't forget about Case Keenum, either: he's most likely going to be the NCAA's all-time pass yardage leader at the end of this year. Not that that's any guarantee of success--but Keenum was Kolb's successor at UH.

Go Coogs.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Nacreous on September 03, 2011, 09:26:56 PM
A QB-rich 2012 draft.  Hope for the NFL's underprivileged?

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Don't forget about Case Keenum, either: he's most likely going to be the NCAA's all-time pass yardage leader at the end of this year. Not that that's any guarantee of success--but Keenum was Kolb's successor at UH.

Go Coogs.

OK, I'm a UH alum, but I also know the record of Coog QBs going to the NFL.  I'll root for Case when he gets to an NFL camp, but he really doesn't look like an NFL player to me*.  Hope I'm wrong.



*I thought the same thing about Kolb, so grade my judgement accordingly.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on September 04, 2011, 02:12:29 AM
McNabb may not have the durability to play 16 games a year but he's shown himself to be worth around 6 to 6.5 yards per attempt (at least until last year). I think Reid made a very common mistake in deciding he wanted to move on, but it was a mistake nonetheless. As for Kolb, its funny you mention his predecessors in Arizona because Derek Anderson is basically the same player as he.

McNabb was up for a new contract and big money. There was no way Reid was going to give it to him. Philly knows when to part ways with veterans at, or just past, the apogee of their careers. Hello Redskins, home of overpaid, over-the-hill players. Kolb was the Iggles' insurance policy for the day DMac's contract expired.

As an Eagles fan, I had mixed feelings about Vick. I had always considered him the most overrated QB in the league before the dogfighting ring came to light, and I hated his guts after that. When he went to prison I gave him long odds on ever playing in the NFL again. When Philly signed him, my misgivings were assuaged somewhat by Tony Dungy, who personally vouched for Vick. I still doubted that he would contribute much, and feared he would backslide into some boneheaded behavior. So far, I've been pleasantly surprised on both counts.

I realize there's an element of hypocrisy here. Winning absolves all sins in sports. I don't hear Steelers fans wringing their hands over Roethlisberger's boorishness either.   
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 05, 2011, 11:57:08 AM
Colts acknowledge that Peyton's recovery has slowed. He will not practice this week and is expected to be doubtful for the opener.

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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on September 06, 2011, 12:14:33 AM
I've heard some "experts" say that the Colts could be a 3 win team without Manning.

I doubt that, but it would be fun to find out...heh...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 06, 2011, 05:53:47 AM
I've heard some "experts" say that the Colts could be a 3 win team without Manning.

I doubt that, but it would be fun to find out...heh...

I buy it, but I don't buy it. The Colts have a lot of talent, but unfortunately I think that most of that talent is concentrated in one player.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 06, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
I think 3 is a bit low, but I don't see them as better than mediocre without Peyton.

They have the Bengals and Panthers on the schedule, 4 games against the Jags and Titans, and the Browns. 7 games against teams that are mediocre at best. 2 against the Texans, the Bucs and the Chiefs, so even if you say no chance without Peyton against the Steelers, Ravens, Saints, Falcons and Patriots there's minimum 2 games they should win, 7 games they have good shots in and 11 that are winnable.

Of course Peyton is most likely only missing the first couple games.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on September 06, 2011, 10:27:08 AM
I think 3 is a bit low, but I don't see them as better than mediocre without Peyton.

They have the Bengals and Panthers on the schedule, 4 games against the Jags and Titans, and the Browns. 7 games against teams that are mediocre at best. 2 against the Texans, the Bucs and the Chiefs, so even if you say no chance without Peyton against the Steelers, Ravens, Saints, Falcons and Patriots there's minimum 2 games they should win, 7 games they have good shots in and 11 that are winnable.

Of course Peyton is most likely only missing the first couple games.

Can I use your math to project a 12-4 season for my Lions?  (Assuming of course that the spun sugar shoulder that Stafford used to have is replaced by an actual, more durable flesh and bone model.)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 06, 2011, 10:35:13 AM
I think 3 is a bit low, but I don't see them as better than mediocre without Peyton.

They have the Bengals and Panthers on the schedule, 4 games against the Jags and Titans, and the Browns. 7 games against teams that are mediocre at best. 2 against the Texans, the Bucs and the Chiefs, so even if you say no chance without Peyton against the Steelers, Ravens, Saints, Falcons and Patriots there's minimum 2 games they should win, 7 games they have good shots in and 11 that are winnable.

Of course Peyton is most likely only missing the first couple games.

Can I use your math to project a 12-4 season for my Lions?  (Assuming of course that the spun sugar shoulder that Stafford used to have is replaced by an actual, more durable flesh and bone model.)

I think a case that 12-4 is plausible for them is makable. That it's likely, not so much.

I didn't give an actually win projection there, but if I had to, assuming Peyton was out all year, I'd say 5-7 wins.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 06, 2011, 11:00:20 AM
Of course we could all be wrong and Collins wins every game he starts and then Peyton comes back healthy and wins 60-80% of his starts.

The only thing that bothers me about this whole situation is that it's extremely unlikely anyone will ever break Brett Faveruh's "Iron Man" record.

Speaking of Faveruh.. Chris Berman and Tom Jackson were counting down their 10 favorite NFL moments of the 25 years that they've been co-hosting together, and they ranked Faveruh's performance against the Raiders on the Monday after his father died as their #1 moment. And then Chris Berman proceeded to oratorially fellate Brett Faveruh at length. Seriously, Berman is the #1 criminal offender when it comes to inflating #4's tremendous ego.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 06, 2011, 11:04:49 AM
The consecutive games record should be held by an offensive lineman.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 06, 2011, 11:11:04 AM
Saw on twitter that after Peyton, the next highest active streaks are Ronde Barber and London Fletcher, followed by Eli Manning.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 06, 2011, 11:30:02 AM
LOLOLOLOL

http://www.sportspickle.com/news/7891/tony-dungy-to-counsel-peyton-mannings-troubled-neck (http://www.sportspickle.com/news/7891/tony-dungy-to-counsel-peyton-mannings-troubled-neck)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 06, 2011, 03:30:05 PM
Jags cut David Garrard, will begin the season starting Luke McCown. LOLOLOLOL

The Indianapolis Colts, no longer the owners of the worse early season QB situation in the division!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 06, 2011, 03:38:32 PM
Wow. I mean.. I knew Garrard wasn't really a great QB, but I didn't think he was bad enough to be cut in favor of McCown.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 06, 2011, 04:04:45 PM
Yeah, I just don't get this whole falling out of favor with a guy just because he's not elite. Garrard is still a serviceable QB - heck, if the Seahawks somehow picked him up (doubt that will happen but hey), he'd instantly become the best QB in the NFC West.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 06, 2011, 04:12:26 PM
This is the second time in 4 years Jack Del Rio has cut his starting QB in the week before the first game.

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Cutting your STARTING QB with less than a week to the first game (twice in a four years) is an unethical way to treat a player.

Couldn't agree more, Del Rio is a douche.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 06, 2011, 04:20:42 PM
I could see this if it was Jimmy Claussen or, heck, Tarvaris Jackson who was their starter. But on top of everything else... Garrard is kinda decent.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 06, 2011, 04:31:10 PM
This is the second time in 4 years Jack Del Rio has cut his starting QB in the week before the first game.

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PPSsportsMGMT
Cutting your STARTING QB with less than a week to the first game (twice in a four years) is an unethical way to treat a player.

Couldn't agree more, Del Rio is a douche.

I love to hate Del Rio because he has some sort of insane hatred of Belichick and the Patriots.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on September 06, 2011, 06:46:27 PM
If I was the GM of the Vikes or Lions, I would be all over Garrard as a back-up. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 07, 2011, 07:30:36 PM
Ugh Rumors flying that Peyton had, will have or may have another surgery on his neck which will end his season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 07, 2011, 08:59:36 PM
Wow. Well, good news... high pick! Just hope they don't spend it on a quarterback.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 08, 2011, 03:28:41 PM
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mortreport
Official: Sources say Manning had surgery this am – cervical fusion with 2-3 month minimum recovery.No word on whether he will be put on IR.
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injuryexpert
If reports of cervical fusion are correct, this is potentially career ending
I need a drink.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on September 08, 2011, 03:37:12 PM
Forget about football: I just hope the surgery is successful and he isn't in pain the rest of his life.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 08, 2011, 04:35:00 PM
From the news trickling out it seems very unlikely he'll play this season, but should be able to return next year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 09, 2011, 05:37:32 PM
OMG STFU STFU STFU STFU STFU

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Plaxico Burress is critical of Giants coach Tom Coughlin, quarterback Eli Manning and fans for the way they reacted when he was sent to prison on a gun charge in the October issue of Men's Journal.

Burress said in an interview with the magazine a few weeks before he signed with the Jets in July that he wished Coughlin had shown some concern when he met with him after accidentally shooting himself in the leg in November 2008. He saw the Giants coach on television commenting on the situation "and the first words out his mouth was `sad and disappointing."'

"I'm like, forget support - how about some concern?" Burress said. "I did just have a bullet in my leg. And then I sat in his office, and he pushed back his chair and goes, `I'm glad you didn't kill anybody!' Man, we're paid too much to be treated like kids. He doesn't realize that we're grown men and actually have kids of our own."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/09/09/burress.coughlin.ap/index.html#ixzz1XUfTrjX6 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/09/09/burress.coughlin.ap/index.html#ixzz1XUfTrjX6)

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 09, 2011, 05:49:39 PM
I've got to say, the Burress shooting himself thing is just about the biggest non-issue I've ever seen in the NFL. Maybe the Jim McMahon flap over headbands was worse. Maybe.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 11, 2011, 08:17:01 AM
I agree.. kind of. It was a cosmically stupid thing to do, but the fact that Mayor Bloomberg decided to make an example of him and put political pressure on the court to give him an abnormally long sentence should garner Burress some sympathy.. but seriously, STFU. STFU.

If you shoot yourself in the leg my first instinct won't be to show concern for your well being, it will be to mock you, ridicule, and if I'm your boss, fire you for incompetence.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on September 11, 2011, 10:24:07 AM
OMG STFU STFU STFU STFU STFU

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Plaxico Burress is critical of Giants coach Tom Coughlin, quarterback Eli Manning and fans for the way they reacted when he was sent to prison on a gun charge in the October issue of Men's Journal.

Burress said in an interview with the magazine a few weeks before he signed with the Jets in July that he wished Coughlin had shown some concern when he met with him after accidentally shooting himself in the leg in November 2008. He saw the Giants coach on television commenting on the situation "and the first words out his mouth was `sad and disappointing."'

"I'm like, forget support - how about some concern?" Burress said. "I did just have a bullet in my leg. And then I sat in his office, and he pushed back his chair and goes, `I'm glad you didn't kill anybody!' Man, we're paid too much to be treated like kids. He doesn't realize that we're grown men and actually have kids of our own."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/09/09/burress.coughlin.ap/index.html#ixzz1XUfTrjX6 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/09/09/burress.coughlin.ap/index.html#ixzz1XUfTrjX6)



HAHHHAHHA
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 11, 2011, 12:17:22 PM
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Jay Glazer just went on Fox: said that “Manning chose the more painful surgery” (a bone graft, they took bone from the hip and grafted it into the spot where they removed vertebrae). Doctors he spoke to said, “We don’t do this anymore, it’s too painful.” Side effects: Painful rehab, possible hip pain for the rest of his life. Possible return to throwing: 6-8 weeks. Doctors said throwing in 6-8 weeks possible, but they wouldn’t clear him for 4 MONTHS. Other route: Cadaver graft, would have been 6 months before he could do any sort of rehab process. Manning clearly chose the route to quickest recovery. We’ll see what the Colts/Manning decide in 6-8 weeks.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 11, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
That was ugly, but there were some signs of life, especially in the 2nd half. Don't pencil Indy in for a top 5 pick yet (though they are certainly no contender).
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 05:32:40 AM
Honestly, Polian deserves to lose his job. You can't build a team that is so completely dependent on just one player and still deserve any respect as a head of personnel. That was an embarrassment for the entire franchise, not the just the players on the field.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 12, 2011, 11:15:32 AM
You just want the Colts to suck in the future.

Building your team around the best player in the league is the obvious thing to do. They probably won't even suck so hardcore once Collins has more than 3 weeks in the offense and the young O-linemen start to figure things out.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on September 12, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Honestly, Polian deserves to lose his job. You can't build a team that is so completely dependent on just one player and still deserve any respect as a head of personnel. That was an embarrassment for the entire franchise, not the just the players on the field.

So who should lose their job in Pittsburg and KC? 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 12:49:26 PM
You just want the Colts to suck in the future.


No, I don't. I want the Jets to suck, I kinda love/hate the Colts.

Building your team around the best player in the league is the obvious thing to do. They probably won't even suck so hardcore once Collins has more than 3 weeks in the offense and the young O-linemen start to figure things out.

I'm not talking about building your team around a franchise QB, I'm talking about having every aspect of your game being dependent on that player. Their defense is built to take advantage of an opposing offense which is desperately trying to match Peyton score for score.

Honestly, Polian deserves to lose his job. You can't build a team that is so completely dependent on just one player and still deserve any respect as a head of personnel. That was an embarrassment for the entire franchise, not the just the players on the field.

So who should lose their job in Pittsburg and KC? 

Oh come on. KC isn't the Colts, and the Texans aren't the Ravens.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on September 12, 2011, 01:08:48 PM
I'm sad that the Cowboys choked, but I'm happy that the Jets defense's 18 FF points won me this week's fantasy matchup.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 12, 2011, 01:34:01 PM
Any D was going to give up a ton of points in the situations left by the Colts offense. In the first half they turned the ball over twice inside their own 20, didn't have a drive of more than 6 plays, only had 1 drive that gained more than 13 yards and never advanced deeper than the Houston 48 yardline.

In the 2nd half where they didn't turn the ball over, and had at least 6 plays and 13 yards on every drive (excluding the 2 play TD drive) they allowed no points.

ETA: one more, the Texans average starting field position in the first half was their own 44 yardline.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 01:39:21 PM
Any D was going to give up a ton of points in the situations left by the Colts offense. In the first half they turned the ball over twice inside their own 20, didn't have a drive of more than 6 plays, only had 1 drive that gained more than 13 yards and never advanced deeper than the Houston 48 yardline.

In the 2nd half where they didn't turn the ball over, and had at least 6 plays and 13 yards on every drive (excluding the 2 play TD drive) they allowed no points.

OK fair enough. I guess I'll walk it back a little bit. I still think that they've done really poorly about drafting back up QBs.. and I still think their game plan is still too dependent on one player. And before you retort with "Yeah, but every team builds around their franchise QB" I give you the 2008 NE Patriots.



At any rate.. hey, if Mark Sanchez keeps completing passes at this rate in 2011 he will--for the first time ever--be an average QB.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 12, 2011, 01:48:56 PM
Kerry Collins should have been brought in sooner, I think he'll get much better as he actually learns the offense. I believe he was signed just 18 days ago. At least Matt Cassel had been in the offense a couple years.

The line should get much better too. 2 guys making their first NFL start, 1 guy making his 5th and a 4th guy playing at a new position.

With better QB and line play, which should be coming, the O won't hang the D out to dry like that and they'll be at least not awful, maybe even mediocre.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 02:02:20 PM
But by that logic Painter should be better than Collins, especially since the Colts have a very complex offense. And why didn't they bring in Collins earlier?

ETA: Although you're right. The O-Line should get better, especially since you drafted Castanzo Castonzo.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 12, 2011, 02:04:30 PM
But by that logic Painter should be better than Collins, especially since the Colts have a very complex offense. And why didn't they bring in Collins earlier?

Cassell is just a better player than Painter (as is Collins). I think they waited so long because they expected Peyton back. Initially after the surgery he wasn't even suppose to miss any training camp. He just wasn't recovering as he should have, so they eventually had to go with the more radical surgery.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 02:06:03 PM
Goddamnit. Now I realize that if Bill Polian drafted a BC lineman then he must know what he's doing.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 12, 2011, 04:26:52 PM
Get this man off my television 

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@AndyHutchins: "Do you agree that Mark Sanchez had a horrible game?" Herm Edwards: "No. He won."
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 04:31:53 PM
ZOMG.

Yeah.. I used to think that Herm Edwards was mildly entertaining, but recently he's just annoyed the crap out of me.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 12, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
ALL HAIL THE SANCHIZE

I don't have much to say about my team except that the first half was terrrrrible, the second half was a lot better, and the stupid Ted Ginn ruined everything (also crappy Seahawks ST play). I'm actually somewhat heartened by the play in the second half; perhaps TJax can be the point guard that Pete Carroll is looking for after all...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 04:34:15 PM
He can't, he won't. Why they don't pick up David Garrard is beyond me.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 12, 2011, 04:38:04 PM
He can't, he won't. Why they don't pick up David Garrard is beyond me.
Because Garrard doesn't know the offense and they don't want to expose Josh Portis to the waiver wire? I'm sure that if this is the high point of Jackson's play - and it very well could be - they'll move onto Clipboard Jesus and maybe even give Garrard a longer look. Carroll seems to be into providing continuity at QB for continuity's sake while having little compunction in switching everything else around (see: Giacomini starting at RT and Carpenter moving over to LG for the first game).
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 04:54:22 PM
Yeah yeah. This will all end in tears.

;D

So.. I'm pretty stoked about seeing the Two Gronkonki and the impenetrable wall of Wilfork/Haynesworth tonight.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 12, 2011, 04:56:01 PM
THAT'S IT JAYPEE YOU ARE ON MY MAD LIST NOW  >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 04:56:49 PM
THAT'S IT JAYPEE YOU ARE ON MY MAD LIST NOW  >:(

OH HELL YES.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 08:48:58 PM
I've only managed to catch about 5 minutes of this game because my daughter is having the most absurdly ridiculous night of self-inflicted injuries ever.. but in those 5 minutes.. well, the Patriots look like the Patriots and the Dolphins look like tards for not taking the handcuffs off of Henne before now. He looked sharp on that opening drive.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 12, 2011, 09:00:37 PM
I'm having a hard time believing that what just happened actually just happened. 5'8" Deion Branch just tackled a defensive lineman. A defensive lineman who had just intercepted a pass.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 13, 2011, 12:28:27 AM
Seabastian Janikowski strikes a blow for fat people everywhere, ties the NFL record for longest FG at 63 yards.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 13, 2011, 05:31:47 AM
Wah wah wee wah.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on September 13, 2011, 08:03:28 AM
I've only managed to catch about 5 minutes of this game because my daughter is having the most absurdly ridiculous night of self-inflicted injuries ever.. but in those 5 minutes.. well, the Patriots look like the Patriots and the Dolphins look like tards for not taking the handcuffs off of Henne before now. He looked sharp on that opening drive.

The Pats D worries me.  If Henne was able to put up 400+ yards, what will a better O do?

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 13, 2011, 09:19:18 AM
Yeah.. it seems like the secondary wasn't great and that might be due to the front not getting a lot of pressure. Or maybe they did get pressure. I only got to see about 20 minutes of play, and I did see one goal line stand and I think a sack, but it did seem that the D wasn't keeping it together.

That being said, Tony Sparano is a totally underrated coach. I would honestly say he's Bill Belichick 2.0.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on September 14, 2011, 02:03:50 AM
Seabastian Janikowski strikes a blow for fat people everywhere, ties the NFL record for longest FG at 63 yards.

Because of that kick, I lost my fantasy matchup by .2 points this week. FML.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Noah Lugeons on September 15, 2011, 06:58:07 PM
This thread may be the only place on earth where anyone would appreciate the name of my fantasy team...

Unweaving Dwayne Bowe
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 18, 2011, 05:10:42 PM
Disappointing loss, but there were some things to take encouragement from. Collins definitely had a better grasp of the offense. The running game was good. The run D and pass rush were good.

If Caldwell doesn't repeatedly kick a short FG instead of going on 4th and short Indy could have won that game without playing any better.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 18, 2011, 05:25:50 PM
Yeah, so, um. Guh.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on September 18, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
So far I am very relieved at the performance of the Pats D.  That was a great GL stop.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jack R. on September 18, 2011, 05:28:53 PM
Da 'skins.  Making wins a lot harder than they need to be.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on September 18, 2011, 05:41:58 PM
Vince Wilfork running with the football has to be the funniest moment this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jack R. on September 18, 2011, 05:57:12 PM
Vince Wilfork running with the football has to be the funniest moment this year.

Parts of him haven't stopped moving yet.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on September 18, 2011, 06:15:27 PM
Vince Wilfork running with the football has to be the funniest moment this year.

Parts of him haven't stopped moving yet.

Belly Roll for the win.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on September 18, 2011, 11:11:46 PM
Disappointing loss, but there were some things to take encouragement from. Collins definitely had a better grasp of the offense. The running game was good. The run D and pass rush were good.

If Caldwell doesn't repeatedly kick a short FG instead of going on 4th and short Indy could have won that game without playing any better.

Joe, it's over buddy. So over. Time to start looking toward next year, like much of the league does every year. You just get a head start for a change. Think of it as a character-building exercise.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on September 18, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
This Eagles-Falcons game is freaking brutal, but it's been a lot of fun to watch!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 18, 2011, 11:19:35 PM
I've known they aren't going to the playoffs even since Peyton's 3rd surgery. I'm just hoping the Colts will put up a respectable 6ish wins and Peyton will get healthy for next year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 19, 2011, 06:29:48 AM
Vince Wilfork running with the football has to be the funniest moment this year.

During training camp next year Belichick needs to make Wilfork and Connolly have a race.

At any rate.. I just love how the Patriots always have the Chargers number.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 19, 2011, 07:20:31 AM
TV Blowhard Jay Glazer says Manning flew to Europe for stem cell therapy (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/story/2011-09-18/jay-glazer-nfl/50460202/1)

So.. Glazer is an idiot and he worked for one of the most disreputable newspapers in the country, and he seems to be the sole source for this story, so I'm really not inclined to believe it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 19, 2011, 01:29:38 PM
I watched his video on Fox Sports today.. so he says that Manning went to Europe because in America we only have embryonic stem cell treatments.. which.. wow. Just WOW, Jay.. but anyway, back to the story:

The only thing I can find about autologous stem cell therapies in Europe is some place called XCell in Cologne, Germany which claims they can treat a lot of things, but they don't have any double-blind/peer-reviewed data.. just a bunch of anecdotes and their own very modest efficacy claims. They seem relatively on the up-and-up, so maybe that's the place that Peyton went (if he did indeed go), but I'm still calling bullshit on this whole story.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on September 19, 2011, 04:32:00 PM
Maybe he can have himself cloned too. That technology sounded so legit at the time. Talk about a CBA dealbreaker...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 19, 2011, 04:35:34 PM
Heh.. yeah. How is it that things like HGH will be tested for (eventually), but apparently stem cells are not even considered? Autologous stem cell therapies have far more potential than HGH ever did. I smell a new sticking point in the negotiations when the current CBA expires.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 19, 2011, 05:10:33 PM
I really don't know what to think about that story other than that if it did happen, weather it was a legit treatment or not, it obviously didn't work since he didn't the fusion surgery.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 19, 2011, 05:59:10 PM
I really don't know what to think about that story other than that if it did happen, weather it was a legit treatment or not, it obviously didn't work since he didn't the fusion surgery.

I highly doubt it was a legit scoop. The fact that Glazer says that Manning went to Europe because they only allow embryonic stem cell therapies in the US basically sealed it for me.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 25, 2011, 04:32:48 PM
Lulz, Pats lose to the Bills.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: James on September 25, 2011, 04:37:11 PM
okay, the Bills just beat New England  34-31  (coming back in the  4th quarter  outscoring N.E. 17-7)  so they are now 3-0   are they for reals?  playoffs?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 25, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
Tyler Sash, rookie safety for the Giants, discovers what a classy city Philly is.

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TSash
Thanks for the hospitality Philly. #shoutout to the 4 year old that flipped me off today. Bigger shoutout to the kids dad who allowed it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 25, 2011, 05:21:06 PM
Lulz, Pats lose to the Bills.

Yeah, they're not the only team to lose to the Bills though. Seriously.. I cannot figure out this defense, but apparently every QB in the league can.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 25, 2011, 05:42:00 PM
Another

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JustinTuckNYG91
Wow. We just had a 7 maybe 8 year old. Throw a beer at the bus.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: smithkhome on September 25, 2011, 06:20:34 PM
What...is....going....on?  Lions are 3 - 0!  So....confused...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 25, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
So uhhh   The Colts are beating the Steelers at the half.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 25, 2011, 10:14:38 PM
Guhhhh CANNOT WATCH RAPIST ANY LONGER  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: James on September 25, 2011, 11:07:43 PM
Tie game!  Go Steelers!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 26, 2011, 01:44:30 AM
I want to cry, this team would be so fucking awesome if Peyton was healthy.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 26, 2011, 05:14:54 AM
I want to cry, this team would be so fucking awesome if Peyton was healthy.

At least Peyton didn't throw 4 picks to the Bills, amirite?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on September 26, 2011, 09:01:37 AM
I guess the preseason CBS analysts weren't all that wrong when they said the Colts without Manning are a 5 win team....

Watched that Bills/Pats game in a room full of about 50+ Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines in Costanta, Romania. (There were about 15 or so foreign troops too.

The breakdown of the room was about 30 or so Pats fans, 18 undeclared, one Bills fan who had been cheering passionately for Buffalo since kickoff, and me who was laughing loudly at Brady's "misfortune".  I did enjoy that the Bills did not seem capable of icing the game correctly there at the end.....

Gotta respect that Bills fan.  Just like when you cheer for the Lions, when you cheer for the Bills, you MEAN it, because it's no easy thing.

I can't wait for Detroit/Green Bay......
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on September 26, 2011, 09:14:06 AM
Why are the Pats pay Ocho Stinko again?

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 26, 2011, 09:20:05 AM
Why are the Pats pay Ocho Stinko again?

Because there aren't many better options? It's really not Ochocinco's fault, what the Patriots needed was a fast downfield receiver, not another Deion Branch/Wes Welker.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on September 26, 2011, 09:22:57 AM
Why are the Pats pay Ocho Stinko again?

Because there aren't many better options? It's really not Ochocinco's fault, what the Patriots needed was a fast downfield receiver, not another Deion Branch/Wes Welker.

Actually that pathetic display of alligator arms when the ball bounced out of Chad's hands IN the end zone during the 4th quarter was entirely his fault.  Punctuated by Welker making an incredible grab on 4th down immediately after.  Chad's gotta make that catch if he wants to continue to have a job on ANY team in the NFL past this season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on September 26, 2011, 09:24:35 AM
A buddy just said the BEST thing about Welker.

"The NLF needs to take away his cloaking Device."
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 26, 2011, 09:30:01 AM
Why are the Pats pay Ocho Stinko again?

Because there aren't many better options? It's really not Ochocinco's fault, what the Patriots needed was a fast downfield receiver, not another Deion Branch/Wes Welker.

Actually that pathetic display of alligator arms when the ball bounced out of Chad's hands IN the end zone during the 4th quarter was entirely his fault.  Punctuated by Welker making an incredible grab on 4th down immediately after.  Chad's gotta make that catch if he wants to continue to have a job on ANY team in the NFL past this season.

I didn't see it, because I couldn't bear to watch the rest of that game.

But receivers drop catches sometimes. It sucks, it happens. I'm not quite ready to write him off just yet. That was just an all around bad game, and if the only thing that Ochocinco ever contributes to the offense is drawing double-coverage then that's fine with me. Or maybe they stop double-covering him because opposing teams think he's no good, and then he has a 10 catch/150 yard game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on September 26, 2011, 09:36:19 AM
Why are the Pats pay Ocho Stinko again?

Because there aren't many better options? It's really not Ochocinco's fault, what the Patriots needed was a fast downfield receiver, not another Deion Branch/Wes Welker.

Actually that pathetic display of alligator arms when the ball bounced out of Chad's hands IN the end zone during the 4th quarter was entirely his fault.  Punctuated by Welker making an incredible grab on 4th down immediately after.  Chad's gotta make that catch if he wants to continue to have a job on ANY team in the NFL past this season.

I didn't see it, because I couldn't bear to watch the rest of that game.

But receivers drop catches sometimes. It sucks, it happens. I'm not quite ready to write him off just yet. That was just an all around bad game, and if the only thing that Ochocinco ever contributes to the offense is drawing double-coverage then that's fine with me. Or maybe they stop double-covering him because opposing teams think he's no good, and then he has a 10 catch/150 yard game.

Dude, you could have caught that pass from Brady.

I have no depth perception and I could have caught that pass. 

85 SUCKS and should be benched.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on September 26, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
Anybody catch the Ravens' game?  How 'bout that Torrey Smith?  His first 3 receptions of his NFL career were all touchdowns?!  I believe it's a franchise record but what's the League record?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 26, 2011, 09:53:58 AM
Why are the Pats pay Ocho Stinko again?

Because there aren't many better options? It's really not Ochocinco's fault, what the Patriots needed was a fast downfield receiver, not another Deion Branch/Wes Welker.

Actually that pathetic display of alligator arms when the ball bounced out of Chad's hands IN the end zone during the 4th quarter was entirely his fault.  Punctuated by Welker making an incredible grab on 4th down immediately after.  Chad's gotta make that catch if he wants to continue to have a job on ANY team in the NFL past this season.

I didn't see it, because I couldn't bear to watch the rest of that game.

But receivers drop catches sometimes. It sucks, it happens. I'm not quite ready to write him off just yet. That was just an all around bad game, and if the only thing that Ochocinco ever contributes to the offense is drawing double-coverage then that's fine with me. Or maybe they stop double-covering him because opposing teams think he's no good, and then he has a 10 catch/150 yard game.

Dude, you could have caught that pass from Brady.


I doubt it.. I have poor motor skills.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 26, 2011, 11:28:35 AM
Anybody catch the Ravens' game?  How 'bout that Torrey Smith?  His first 3 receptions of his NFL career were all touchdowns?!  I believe it's a franchise record but what's the League record?

(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/787162/EarthquakeSmith.gif.opt.gif)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on September 26, 2011, 11:34:42 AM
The list adjectives needed to describe Michael Vick keeps growing:  fragile, easily-frustrated, whiny...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on September 26, 2011, 11:36:20 AM
Anybody catch the Ravens' game?  How 'bout that Torrey Smith?  His first 3 receptions of his NFL career were all touchdowns?!  I believe it's a franchise record but what's the League record?

(click to show/hide)

That gif runs really slow.  What am I looking at?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on September 26, 2011, 12:53:35 PM
The list adjectives needed to describe Michael Vick keeps growing:  fragile, easily-frustrated, whiny...

Raise your hand if you saw this coming.

*raises hand*
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on September 26, 2011, 01:56:07 PM
Anybody catch the Ravens' game?  How 'bout that Torrey Smith?  His first 3 receptions of his NFL career were all touchdowns?!  I believe it's a franchise record but what's the League record?

(click to show/hide)

That gif runs really slow.  What am I looking at?

Torrey Smith's reaction to the east coast earthquake a while back. Was recording a promo and took off running when it started.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on September 26, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
Anybody catch the Ravens' game?  How 'bout that Torrey Smith?  His first 3 receptions of his NFL career were all touchdowns?!  I believe it's a franchise record but what's the League record?

(click to show/hide)

That gif runs really slow.  What am I looking at?

Torrey Smith's reaction to the east coast earthquake a while back. Was recording a promo and took off running when it started.

Hahahaha!  That's rich.  Probably outran the shockwave too.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on September 29, 2011, 12:16:15 PM

I can't wait for Detroit/Green Bay......

Oh goodness! You and me both!!! Though this sunday against the Cowboys should be quite entertaining. My money is on the Lions losing game 4 or 5.

<3katherine
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 02, 2011, 06:51:09 PM
Vince Wilfork has his second career INT.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 02, 2011, 06:53:14 PM
Vince Wilfork has his second career INT.

Earthquake warning till 8pm PST.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 03, 2011, 05:14:35 AM
Vince Wilfork has his second career INT.

Earthquake warning till 8pm PST.

I gotta be honest with you, if this is a side-effect of switching to the base 4-3 then I'm all for it. Can you imagine how many INTs he would have in his career if he'd been dropping back into coverage for his whole career?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 03, 2011, 08:08:12 AM
Vince Wilfork has his second career INT.

Earthquake warning till 8pm PST.

I gotta be honest with you, if this is a side-effect of switching to the base 4-3 then I'm all for it. Can you imagine how many INTs he would have in his career if he'd been dropping back into coverage for his whole career?

The Pats D still sucks.  We cannot count on turnovers all season, and definitely not in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 03, 2011, 09:30:22 AM
Vince Wilfork has his second career INT.

Earthquake warning till 8pm PST.

I gotta be honest with you, if this is a side-effect of switching to the base 4-3 then I'm all for it. Can you imagine how many INTs he would have in his career if he'd been dropping back into coverage for his whole career?

The Pats D still sucks.  We cannot count on turnovers all season, and definitely not in the playoffs.

Yeah, the D is still pretty porous.

FWIW, they did manage to limit McFadden, and I'd rather have a D that bends but doesn't break than a brittle D. The Pats D has been opportunistic for the past couple of seasons, they just need to start being more dominant. I don't know what the key is, I truly don't. Maybe Haynesworth gets his head on straight next week against the Jets. Maybe Ellis has a monster game against the team that insulted him by offering him the league minimum after he gave them 10 seasons.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 03, 2011, 09:35:00 AM
The bad news: Seahawks lost.
The good news: WTF Tarvaris Jackson!? You looked like a professional quarterback out there today.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on October 03, 2011, 01:43:22 PM
The bad news: Seahawks lost.
The good news: WTF Tarvaris Jackson!? You looked like a professional quarterback out there today.

The Steelers loss and Roethlisberger's apparent injury aren't good news to you? 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 03, 2011, 02:41:10 PM
The bad news: Seahawks lost.
The good news: WTF Tarvaris Jackson!? You looked like a professional quarterback out there today.

The Steelers loss and Roethlisberger's apparent injury aren't good news to you?
I am trying reeeeeeeeeally hard not to root for injuries, so... no comment.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 03, 2011, 03:45:44 PM
The bad news: Seahawks lost.
The good news: WTF Tarvaris Jackson!? You looked like a professional quarterback out there today.

The Steelers loss and Roethlisberger's apparent injury aren't good news to you?
I am trying reeeeeeeeeally hard not to root for injuries, so... no comment.


I want to know what Big Ben did *besides the obvious* to piss off his O Line.  They just let him get sacked into oblivion.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 03, 2011, 03:47:38 PM
The bad news: Seahawks lost.
The good news: WTF Tarvaris Jackson!? You looked like a professional quarterback out there today.

The Steelers loss and Roethlisberger's apparent injury aren't good news to you?
I am trying reeeeeeeeeally hard not to root for injuries, so... no comment.


I want to know what Big Ben did *besides the obvious* to piss off his O Line.  They just let him get sacked into oblivion.

They were a marginal O-line to begin with, which then got riddled with injuries, and they have a QB who probably has one of the longest times from snap to throw in the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 03, 2011, 04:14:08 PM
He's always been able to stand up to the rush, though, owing to his massive hugeness.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on October 04, 2011, 01:41:40 AM
The Colts are good enough to win some games, but I'm not that sad when they don't, since if they add an elite player and get Peyton back they'll own the fucking faces off the entire league so badly I'll lol all season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 04, 2011, 05:19:55 AM
They might be smart to draft Andrew Luck if the opportunity presents itself. The Colts could do worse than having a potential Peyton Manning waiting in the wings behind Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 04, 2011, 07:09:57 AM
ESPN finally pulls the MNF intro song by that despicable cretin Hank Williams Jr (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2011/10/03/espn_pulls_intro_after_williams_obama_comments/?p1=Well_Sports_links)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on October 04, 2011, 11:07:37 AM
They might be smart to draft Andrew Luck if the opportunity presents itself. The Colts could do worse than having a potential Peyton Manning waiting in the wings behind Peyton Manning.

That's what I've been saying!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 04, 2011, 11:10:12 AM
That means, unfortunately, that they'll push Manning out in 2 years a la Favre and he'll end up playing for the Jags or something.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 04, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
That means, unfortunately, that they'll push Manning out in 2 years a la Favre and he'll end up playing for the Jags or something.

Yeah, but unlike Favre he'll probably end up leading whichever team he ends up playing for to a Super Bowl, because.. quite unlike Favre, Manning isn't an erratic dope who throws like a billion picks.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 04, 2011, 11:13:16 AM
Not... anymore.  >:D

I still think Favre could be a serviceable QB for several teams, btw.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on October 04, 2011, 11:46:12 AM
They might be smart to draft Andrew Luck if the opportunity presents itself. The Colts could do worse than having a potential Peyton Manning waiting in the wings behind Peyton Manning.

Depends, if Peyton can't come back, obviously draft Luck. If he's got 1-2 years left, then Luck is a fine pick. If he's got 3-4, fuck that, draft Kalil or Blackmon and win a title or two before Peyton's gone.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on October 04, 2011, 12:02:43 PM
That means, unfortunately, that they'll push Manning out in 2 years a la Favre and he'll end up playing for the Jags or something.

I think in that scenario, it would be three years and he would then assume the offensive coordinator role for the colts.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on October 04, 2011, 01:02:32 PM
I'm torn. Peyton loves football, but how many good coaches were great players? I think Peyton would murder any QB he was assigned to coach before a season was out. He seemed to have rays of pure hate coming from his eyes at Painter on some of the shots of him in the booth.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 04, 2011, 01:37:34 PM
Completely different sport, but Ted Williams was a crappy manager in part because he expected all of his players to work as hard as he did when he played the game. Also because he had an irrational hatred for pitchers in general.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on October 06, 2011, 05:53:23 AM
That means, unfortunately, that they'll push Manning out in 2 years a la Favre and he'll end up playing for the Jags or something.

Yeah, but unlike Favre he'll probably end up leading whichever team he ends up playing for to a Super Bowl, because.. quite unlike Favre, Manning isn't an erratic dope who throws like a billion picks.

Remember, when Brett Favre throws an interception, he's a "gunslinger".  All other qb's are erratic dopes.  Just ask any TV analyst.  I'm glad Favre seemed to intentionally damage his legacy at the end, because as a Detroit fan, I'd grown weary of the entire world smoking his pole for 16 straight years.....it would have never ended if he handn't acted like an ass on his own.....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 06, 2011, 05:56:58 AM
That means, unfortunately, that they'll push Manning out in 2 years a la Favre and he'll end up playing for the Jags or something.

Yeah, but unlike Favre he'll probably end up leading whichever team he ends up playing for to a Super Bowl, because.. quite unlike Favre, Manning isn't an erratic dope who throws like a billion picks.

Remember, when Brett Favre throws an interception, he's a "gunslinger".  All other qb's are erratic dopes.  Just ask any TV analyst.  I'm glad Favre seemed to intentionally damage his legacy at the end, because as a Detroit fan, I'd grown weary of the entire world smoking his pole for 16 straight years.....it would have never ended if he handn't acted like an ass on his own.....

Sadly, ESPN's Chris Berman and Tom Jackson still haven't gotten the memo. Sunday NFL Countdown has turned into such a huge Favre's-pole-smoking/hating-Bill-Belichick party that it's ridiculous. Remember last year when Tom Jackson picked the Patriots to beat the Jets in the playoffs, and then when the Jets won he said in a radio interview that he only picked the Patriots (a few hours before the game, when all the Jets players would hopefully be stretching and going over playbooks, etc) to psyche up the Jets.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 06, 2011, 09:28:18 AM
Is it just me, or are people completely misinterpreting what Favre said?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7061578/brett-favre-asks-why-aaron-rodgers-super-bowl-title-ring-took-long (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7061578/brett-favre-asks-why-aaron-rodgers-super-bowl-title-ring-took-long)

That sounds pretty laudatory, and yet it's being made out as Favre saying "Why did it take Rodgers three years to win a Super Bowl? O YA, BECAUSE HE SUCKS!"
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on October 06, 2011, 11:39:05 AM
Is it just me, or are people completely misinterpreting what Favre said?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7061578/brett-favre-asks-why-aaron-rodgers-super-bowl-title-ring-took-long (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7061578/brett-favre-asks-why-aaron-rodgers-super-bowl-title-ring-took-long)

That sounds pretty laudatory, and yet it's being made out as Favre saying "Why did it take Rodgers three years to win a Super Bowl? O YA, BECAUSE HE SUCKS!"

I think it is you.  I heard Cowherd break down the interview.  Favre made 9 insults or backhanded compliments in a 55 second interview.  That is one every 6.1 seconds.  About the same amount of time the all time leader in interceptions held onto the ball.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 06, 2011, 12:03:52 PM
OK, fair enough. That one quote seems fine to me, but I don't like Colin Cowherd and I don't want to listen to his analysis so I'll just take your word for it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on October 06, 2011, 08:23:42 PM
OK, fair enough. That one quote seems fine to me, but I don't like Colin Cowherd and I don't want to listen to his analysis so I'll just take your word for it.

Kurt Warner was on Dan Patrick today and had a truthful analysis of it.  I'm not a big fan of Cowherd either, but I turned on the radio and that was what was on - and I thought he was spot on today.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on October 07, 2011, 04:33:04 AM
Off topic, but I'd like to invite any New York baseball fans to bite my Detroit (9 Mile Road and Woodward Avenue) crank.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 07, 2011, 06:46:38 AM
OK, fair enough. That one quote seems fine to me, but I don't like Colin Cowherd and I don't want to listen to his analysis so I'll just take your word for it.

Kurt Warner was on Dan Patrick today and had a truthful analysis of it.  I'm not a big fan of Cowherd either, but I turned on the radio and that was what was on - and I thought he was spot on today.

I heard more of the interview yesterday.. yeah.. it really was a backhanded insult.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: smithkhome on October 07, 2011, 07:39:38 AM
Off topic, but I'd like to invite any New York baseball fans to bite my Detroit (9 Mile Road and Woodward Avenue) crank.

+1

Next week will be crazy in Detroit.  Lions on MNF on Monday, followed by 2 or 3 ALCS games!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 07, 2011, 01:33:35 PM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 07, 2011, 01:43:40 PM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.

No love for the NHL? Ouch.

Boston came closest.. but for one ridiculous David Tyree catch and one Asante Samuel blown coverage the Patriots, Red Sox, and Celtics would have all won their championships within a respective season/year.. it's sort of hard to say "in the same season" since all three teams started their championship runs in 2007, but because of the way the NFL and NBA seasons span two calendar years..
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 07, 2011, 04:30:47 PM
Ah yes! Boston did get damned close. That Tyree catch was ridiculous... 

And I love the NHL, but obviously the other three main sports have much bigger fan bases. The Quad Crown would admittedly be much more impressive...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: smithkhome on October 07, 2011, 10:33:45 PM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.

Tigers 2011  Lions 2012, Red Wings 2012?  :)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on October 08, 2011, 02:47:14 AM
Mets, Knicks Jets in 1969. tho The last technically was for previous season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 09, 2011, 12:34:53 PM
"Well, obviously I don't think that came out the way Brett intended it to"

--ESPN's Chris Berman


DUDE. WHAT DOES FAVRE HAVE ON YOU? DICK PICS? ASS PICS? HIS DICK/YOUR ASS PICS?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: craig on October 09, 2011, 03:17:24 PM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.

Tigers 2011  Lions 2012, Red Wings 2012?  :)

By the time the last game was over, there wouldn't be anything left to burn down :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 09, 2011, 07:25:01 PM
What's up, Giants?  ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 09, 2011, 07:32:09 PM
Looks like God was not watching the Bronco's Game.   :D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on October 10, 2011, 03:09:54 AM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.

Tigers 2011  Lions 2012, Red Wings 2012?  :)

You're mistaking our SE Michigan inner city folks for our mid-Michigan college kids....

By the time the last game was over, there wouldn't be anything left to burn down :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 10, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.

Tigers 2011  Lions 2012, Red Wings 2012?  :)

By the time the last game was over, there wouldn't be anything left to burn down :P

 :laugh:
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on October 10, 2011, 12:17:38 PM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.

Tigers 2011  Lions 2012, Red Wings 2012?  :)

By the time the last game was over, there wouldn't be anything left to burn down :P

 :laugh:

LMAO! I'm avoiding downtown tonight - win or lose detroits going to be insane. First Monday night game since 2001 I believe - AND the Lions are still undefeated (including preseason) going into this game. The news this morning was crazy about tailgaters at 7am......

As for the tripple crown How does that work? Because MLB technically ends in 2011, but the superbowl and stanly cup are both in 2012. Detroit could never win a tripple crown that includes NBA because Detroit Pistons are not located in the city of detroit - so does that count? They're an hour away in Pontiac MI. Tigers, Lions, and Wings are all inside the city limits of Detroit.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 10, 2011, 01:02:26 PM
LMAO! I'm avoiding downtown tonight - win or lose detroits going to be insane. First Monday night game since 2001 I believe - AND the Lions are still undefeated (including preseason) going into this game. The news this morning was crazy about tailgaters at 7am......

As for the tripple crown How does that work? Because MLB technically ends in 2011, but the superbowl and stanly cup are both in 2012. Detroit could never win a tripple crown that includes NBA because Detroit Pistons are not located in the city of detroit - so does that count? They're an hour away in Pontiac MI. Tigers, Lions, and Wings are all inside the city limits of Detroit.

Man, I remember all the sarcastic "look out, Lions are undefeated" exclamations after the preseason... who's laughing now? Lions are serious business. Looking forward to the game tonight.

I think triple crown is pretty malleable--as long as all the championships are within 365 days of each other, I'd consider it a hit. And meh, Cowboys and Rangers both play in Arlington, which is exactly halfway between Dallas and Ft. Worth.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: craig on October 10, 2011, 06:46:15 PM
Back whn Tiger Woods was still good there was a big argument about whether he had won some Grand Slam something-or-other bcause they weren't all in the same year.  His answer was "Well all of the trophies are at my house, so that counts for something."

I think tha it would be the same for any triple crown.  If you've got all of the trophies, you've got the crown.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 10, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
We can do it! With the Sounders, the, um, Seahawks, and the Mar... okay, never mind.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on October 11, 2011, 03:33:49 AM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.

Tigers 2011  Lions 2012, Red Wings 2012?  :)

By the time the last game was over, there wouldn't be anything left to burn down :P

 :laugh:

LMAO! I'm avoiding downtown tonight - win or lose detroits going to be insane. First Monday night game since 2001 I believe - AND the Lions are still undefeated (including preseason) going into this game. The news this morning was crazy about tailgaters at 7am......

As for the tripple crown How does that work? Because MLB technically ends in 2011, but the superbowl and stanly cup are both in 2012. Detroit could never win a tripple crown that includes NBA because Detroit Pistons are not located in the city of detroit - so does that count? They're an hour away in Pontiac MI. Tigers, Lions, and Wings are all inside the city limits of Detroit.

Actually, it's Auburn Hills, not Pontiac.  (The Pistons haven't played in the Silverdome since about 1987 or so....)

However, a team playing in the suburbs of the city they claim is hardly unique to Detroit.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on October 11, 2011, 11:01:10 AM

Actually, it's Auburn Hills, not Pontiac.  (The Pistons haven't played in the Silverdome since about 1987 or so....)

However, a team playing in the suburbs of the city they claim is hardly unique to Detroit.

Oops, my mistake. I'm still learning alot of the metro area.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: craig on October 11, 2011, 12:53:55 PM
However, a team playing in the suburbs of the city they claim is hardly unique to Detroit.

Don't tell that to the East Rutherford Giants.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on October 11, 2011, 05:05:27 PM
Has any city ever won a triple crown (MLB, NFL, NBA championships in the same year)?

If we count the Mavs' victory last spring, Dallas is as close to a triple crown as any city in recent memory... of course, that would require the Cowboys figuring out how to not be awful.

Tigers 2011  Lions 2012, Red Wings 2012?  :)

By the time the last game was over, there wouldn't be anything left to burn down :P

 :laugh:

LMAO! I'm avoiding downtown tonight - win or lose detroits going to be insane. First Monday night game since 2001 I believe - AND the Lions are still undefeated (including preseason) going into this game. The news this morning was crazy about tailgaters at 7am......

As for the tripple crown How does that work? Because MLB technically ends in 2011, but the superbowl and stanly cup are both in 2012. Detroit could never win a tripple crown that includes NBA because Detroit Pistons are not located in the city of detroit - so does that count? They're an hour away in Pontiac MI. Tigers, Lions, and Wings are all inside the city limits of Detroit.

Cowboys new stadium is in Arlington.  Their old one was in Irving.  In the past and present (and as fast as I type) I can also include Bulls, Cavs, Redskins, Giants, Jets, Rams, Lions, Twins, Vikings,....

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Ah.hell on October 11, 2011, 07:16:16 PM
Raiders and 49ers both have winning records.  Its like I'm in 1981.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 12, 2011, 03:40:27 PM
Raiders and 49ers both have winning records.  Its like I'm in 1981.

Throw the Lions into the mix and it's like you're in an alternate reality.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 16, 2011, 04:44:15 PM
Shit, the Dallas O-line makes the Patriots look like they have a world beating defense.

I still can't believe that Belichick didn't challenge that Austin fumble, and the fact that the Patriots have two turnovers already.. fuck.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on October 16, 2011, 05:02:26 PM
Well...the lions had to lose at somepoint :(
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 16, 2011, 09:12:33 PM
Shit, the Dallas O-line makes the Patriots look like they have a world beating defense.

I still can't believe that Belichick didn't challenge that Austin fumble, and the fact that the Patriots have two turnovers already.. fuck.

We won.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on October 17, 2011, 12:53:13 AM
Well...the lions had to lose at somepoint :(

A couple weeks ago, the Lions ran for 20 total yards and squeaked out a win.  This week, Best went 12 carries for 37 yards.  Let's not even talk about 100+ penalty yards not equalling a "W".  This Lions team isn't as good as people think they are.  They will get their second "L" of the season next week against Atlanta.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 17, 2011, 02:58:09 AM
...a team which could easily be 1-5 right now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on October 17, 2011, 08:12:34 AM
If the Bucs can stop shooting themselves in the feet...they'd be a dangerous team.

Still, I can't complain too much.  They've lost two games....one to Detroit and one to the '49ers.  Both are hot right now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on October 17, 2011, 08:19:49 AM
Well...the lions had to lose at somepoint :(

A couple weeks ago, the Lions ran for 20 total yards and squeaked out a win.  This week, Best went 12 carries for 37 yards.  Let's not even talk about 100+ penalty yards not equalling a "W".  This Lions team isn't as good as people think they are.  They will get their second "L" of the season next week against Atlanta.

Thats the thing. Detroit wins but still isnt playing like a bowl winner should play. They are still a secondhalf team. I hate seeing them lose but I didnt think they could make it 4_0 muchless 5. At somepoint other teams find your cracks and then they pounce. The best thing detroit can do is push for a good game everyweek. Win some lose some but at the end of the game be better than last game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on October 17, 2011, 08:27:15 AM
The Lions are a one dimensional team right now.

They really have no running game.

If you put Best's career game against the weak assed Bears aside, they're #31 out of 32 in total rushing yards.

Teams will/have figure(d) this out, and even starting the season with 5 straight wins won't be enough to get my Lions into the playoffs.

It's a bummer, really.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 17, 2011, 08:52:27 AM
Shit, the Dallas O-line makes the Patriots look like they have a world beating defense.

I still can't believe that Belichick didn't challenge that Austin fumble, and the fact that the Patriots have two turnovers already.. fuck.

We won.

Barely. I've never seen the Patriots play so sloppily though.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on October 17, 2011, 08:54:33 AM
NE regularly beating teams 50-35 over the past couple years covered up many flaws in their squad.  Sometimes the loss of a player or two can bring those flaws to the forefront.

Just ask the Colts.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 17, 2011, 08:57:48 AM
No, make no mistake.. this was one of the best defensive performances from the Patriots I've seen in two or three years.. what bothered me was that the offense which usually has a turnover differential of like +7 has been turnover happy lately.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 17, 2011, 09:11:59 AM
At any rate.. Schwartz vs. Harbaugh. Discuss amongst yahselves.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on October 17, 2011, 09:12:43 AM
WooHoo - Giants on top of their division due to the Redskins loss.

 :dance:
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 17, 2011, 09:13:28 AM
No, make no mistake.. this was one of the best defensive performances from the Patriots I've seen in two or three years.. what bothered me was that the offense which usually has a turnover differential of like +7 has been turnover happy lately.

Yeah they did a sloppy job.  The Pats D is getting better but they have to STOP tackling at 50-75%.  There were way too many limp tackles that turned into extra yards.

Schwartz vs. Harbaugh, was a non issue. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 17, 2011, 10:58:03 AM
A non-issue? I dunno, it's not every day that you get to see two NFL coaches nearly come to blows.

I don't think you can put the tackling just on the Patriots though.. that's just an NFL thing now. No matter how well coached a team is for some reason players in the secondary don't wrap up when they tackle.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 18, 2011, 01:01:48 PM
..the fuck?

http://dogs.about.com/od/caringfordogsandpuppies/ht/deskunking.htm (http://dogs.about.com/od/caringfordogsandpuppies/ht/deskunking.htm)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 18, 2011, 01:08:42 PM
..the fuck?

http://dogs.about.com/od/caringfordogsandpuppies/ht/deskunking.htm (http://dogs.about.com/od/caringfordogsandpuppies/ht/deskunking.htm)

NFL 2011 thread

 ???
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 18, 2011, 01:11:08 PM
HAHA. Me fail.

sometimes when I hit Ctrl+C it does nothing.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/32802438 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/32802438)

Anyway.. The Raiders gave up a first round and a conditional first round pick for Carson Palmer. He's a definite improvement over what they have, and I'm sure that he'll probably get the some playoff wins, but.. the Raiders basically have no first round picks until 2014, and virtually no picks next year. It's just weird to me.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on October 18, 2011, 01:19:05 PM
I was wondering what the hell skunks and dogs had to do with the NFL.  I was trying to fit in some Micheal Vick angle.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 18, 2011, 01:23:04 PM
HAHA. Me fail.

sometimes when I hit Ctrl+C it does nothing.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/32802438 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/32802438)

Anyway.. The Raiders gave up a first round and a conditional first round pick for Carson Palmer. He's a definite improvement over what they have, and I'm sure that he'll probably get the some playoff wins, but.. the Raiders basically have no first round picks until 2014, and virtually no picks next year. It's just weird to me.

Yeah... I thought one first round pick would be a good deal, since they've had some success this year and it would be a shame to see it fly out the window bc of an injury. Palmer's probably a decent upgrade, too. But I agree: TWO first rounders? Carson better play like freaking Manning.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 18, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
I could be wrong, but I think Carson Palmer had one pretty good season, then had the elbow injury and opted not to get Tommy John surgery in order to let it heal, then he had last season where they were pretty decent but weren't world-beaters, and then he "retired" because he wanted out of Cincinnati.

I can't blame him for not wanting to be part of a rebuilding franchise since the sands in his hourglass are running out, but I don't think he has ever lived up to the hype he gets.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 18, 2011, 01:30:02 PM
I could be wrong, but I think Carson Palmer had one pretty good season, then had the elbow injury and opted not to get Tommy John surgery in order to let it heal, then he had last season where they were pretty decent but weren't world-beaters, and then he "retired" because he wanted out of Cincinnati.

I can't blame him for not wanting to be part of a rebuilding franchise since the sands in his hourglass are running out, but I don't think he has ever lived up to the hype he gets.

Yeah, I'm not a giant Palmer fan--but I think he's way better than Campbell, who looked awful with the Redskins; I'm thinking Palmer might get a similar boost because of Darren McF and a good Oline.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 18, 2011, 02:20:02 PM
Who knows.. he could be the missing piece, but I remember a time when Palmer would be mentioned in the same breath as Brady and Manning and I'd think to myself "Really? Why?", and I thought his fake retirement was a real dick move.

I feel bad for Campbell.. I feel like he could maybe have been a pretty good QB, but in his short career he's had to learn almost as many playbooks and had almost as many different coaches as he has years in the NFL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 18, 2011, 04:48:38 PM
Who knows.. he could be the missing piece, but I remember a time when Palmer would be mentioned in the same breath as Brady and Manning and I'd think to myself "Really? Why?", and I thought his fake retirement was a real dick move.

I feel bad for Campbell.. I feel like he could maybe have been a pretty good QB, but in his short career he's had to learn almost as many playbooks and had almost as many different coaches as he has years in the NFL.

I think Campbell's a very solid game manager, and tends to make good decisions--which is why I think he was doing well in a system that didn't rely so much on him being the playmaker. Palmer could try too hard to be "the man" and end up failing miserably, or he could end up being a better-throwing Jason Campbell.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 23, 2011, 05:59:57 PM
Ti Tebow needs to be moved to Running Back.  He is a terrible overly flashy tool of a QB.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on October 24, 2011, 10:19:00 AM
All players who've won the MVP other than Peyton over the last decade need to give him their trophy.  The argument is over about whether the Colts have been a one man team.  They aren't just a mediocre team without him, they are a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on October 24, 2011, 10:32:56 AM
All players who've won the MVP other than Peyton over the last decade need to give him their trophy.  The argument is over about whether the Colts have been a one man team.  They aren't just a mediocre team without him, they are a dumpster fire.

They've played some good teams close before. They aren't nearly has bad as that looked, but they aren't very good without Peyton. It was a terrible matchup. Indy is really weak in the secondary and injured on the OL with an inexperienced QB. So a pass heavy, big pressure D is going to slaughter them.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 24, 2011, 04:13:47 PM
All players who've won the MVP other than Peyton over the last decade need to give him their trophy.  The argument is over about whether the Colts have been a one man team.  They aren't just a mediocre team without him, they are a dumpster fire.

They've played some good teams close before. They aren't nearly has bad as that looked, but they aren't very good without Painter. It was a terrible matchup. Indy is really weak in the secondary and injured on the OL with an inexperienced QB. So a pass heavy, big pressure D is going to slaughter them.


Whatever helps you slep at night Joe.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 24, 2011, 05:10:52 PM
By the way.. just going to throw this out there, but the Colts performance this season makes the 2008 Patriots record all the more amazing. Belichick should win a retroactive coach of the year award for leading the Brady-less Patriots to an 11-5 record.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on October 24, 2011, 05:32:14 PM
By the way.. just going to throw this out there, but the Colts performance this season makes the 2008 Patriots record all the more amazing. Belichick should win a retroactive coach of the year award for leading the Brady-less Patriots to an 11-5 record.

Or Peyton is just a lot better than Brady    :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on October 24, 2011, 11:26:44 PM
The Ravens make me sad tonight...  :-[
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 25, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
The Ravens make me sad tonight...  :-[

If I was a betting man, I would've put money on Ravens' busting through the over with great confidence... what the hell??

Of course, I never* bet on sports for this very reason.

*I did win 20 bucks off a friend who bet that the Mavericks wouldn't make out of the first round last spring...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on October 25, 2011, 12:09:59 AM
The Jags had their shit together on defense to be sure, but the Ravens' offense was miserable.  Also, was I the only one thinking how bad the officiating was in this game? Especially the last kick off where they didn't penalize the Jags for not having 11 players on the field, even the comentor called it ridiculous saying that Harbaugh had every right to be livid.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 26, 2011, 05:25:36 AM
Speaking of bad officiating, did anyone else catch the Jets-Chargers game? The Chargers got called for at least two off sides which were clearly false starts by the Jets, and then there was that ludicrous pass interference call in the waning minutes which pretty much iced the game for the Jets.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 26, 2011, 11:07:18 AM
It wasn't a good week for refs overall, I guess. We had the Mike Carrey team in Cleveland vs. the Seahawks and while normally he's pretty exceptional the refs basically lost Seattle the game with a horrible call on a Leon Washington punt return (a blocking in the back call because a guy may have grazed a player while he was falling down - that call, if not made, would have been the difference in the game right there) and a couple of horrible non-calls on pass interference (not that Charlie Whitehurst was anything close to good but both plays were 20+ yards downfield and would have changed the complexion of the game quite a bit). It was a crap, crap game anyway, and maybe they were just venting their frustration or something but man, that was some bad zebraosity.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on October 26, 2011, 11:18:06 AM
I'm inherently more forgiving of bad calls during plays because there's so much going on I can't imagine how hard it must be to monitor it so closely for such details, but I still cannot get over why a delay of game penalty was given to Jacksonville on that punt.  I mean it's clear as day and it's like they just decided to let it slide.  I'm not sure I've heard a commentator ever speak so strongly against a call for being bad.  It might not have saved the game to have them punt it from 5 yards further back, but still... that has my mind boggled.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on October 30, 2011, 06:14:08 PM
Fire Jim Caldwell, Fire Chris Christensen, Fire Larry Coyer, Fire Ray Rylechski, Fire Jim Tressel

Who kicks a fucking fieldgoal on the 5 yardline down 20? Retarded and gutless.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on October 31, 2011, 10:20:06 AM
If we could get Luck and a new coach... I would consider this season not only a success but one of the better seasons of the Manning era.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 31, 2011, 10:39:01 AM
Fire Jim Caldwell, Fire Chris Christensen, Fire Larry Coyer, Fire Ray Rylechski, Fire Jim Tressel

Who kicks a fucking fieldgoal on the 5 yardline down 20? Retarded and gutless.

You mad bro?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on October 31, 2011, 10:48:18 AM
If we could get Luck and a new coach... I would consider this season not only a success but one of the better seasons of the Manning era.

I only want Luck if they know Peyton is playing 0-2 more years. You can't sit the number one overall pick any longer than that and you can't trade Manning. With the picks they could get in exchange for the number 1 overall pick they should have a couple good runs at a title before Peyton retires.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 31, 2011, 10:49:26 AM
If we could get Luck and a new coach... I would consider this season not only a success but one of the better seasons of the Manning era.

I only want Luck if they know Peyton is playing 0-2 more years. You can't sit the number one overall pick any longer than that and you can't trade Manning. With the picks they could get in exchange for the number 1 overall pick they should have a couple good runs at a title before Peyton retires.

Yeah, but you're only going to get the #1 overall if you finish with a record worse than Miami or St. Louis, which is no easy feat.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on October 31, 2011, 11:09:22 AM
St. Louis showed some D this week.  I think they may win a couple of games this year.  So Indi just has to out-shit Miami.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 31, 2011, 11:43:55 AM
St. Louis showed some D this week.  I think they may win a couple of games this year.  So Indi just has to out-shit Miami.

That's not going to be easy though.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on October 31, 2011, 01:08:41 PM
Of the three, Miami and Indi are the two that could make the most use of Luck.  St. Louis is paying out to Bradford, so drafting a QB this early in Bradfords career would be tough.  I mean, he's injured on a shitty team, but he was Offensive Rookie of the Year last year and has potential to be quite good.

Indi only has a few more Manning years ahead of them.  If Payton can impart wisdom on a young, talented QB for a couple of years...it could set the franchise up for quite a future.  I mean, Steve Young did fuck-all as a QB until he sat for 3 years behind Montana...then he did great.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 31, 2011, 01:17:10 PM
Oops, I mean KC, not St. Louis.

At any rate.. The funny thing is that Luck might not come out next year. He still has one more year of eligibility and you could end up with a scenario where the #1 pick goes to a team that he really doesn't want to play for.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on October 31, 2011, 01:26:05 PM
That's usually the worst part of it.

Most QBs in the league are good players.  If your team comes up at the bottom of the list, you've got more problems than just needing a QB.  Luck's likely to get stuck behind an O-Line that leaks like a sieve.

Look at Cam this year.  Record breaking rookie season.  2 wins so far.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: superdave on October 31, 2011, 03:21:13 PM
Looks like Tim Tebow's train has finally derailed, but I am interested in seeing if he can do anything to adjust for next weeks game. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 31, 2011, 03:45:50 PM
Looks like Tim Tebow's train has finally derailed, but I am interested in seeing if he can do anything to adjust for next weeks game.

Adjust.. you mean like switch to playing as a TE?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on October 31, 2011, 04:09:08 PM
Looks like Tim Tebow's train has finally derailed, but I am interested in seeing if he can do anything to adjust for next weeks game.

Adjust.. you mean like switch to playing as a TE?

I think he could be a pretty solid tight end... and even run some wild multi-QB plays lined up as tight end. That said, fuck UofF, and I hope he fails just so that I wouldn't have to hear all the Gators talking about Tebow On High.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on October 31, 2011, 04:11:28 PM
As a Lions fan, I can say I was totally fine with the Good vs. Evil battle the NFL was hyping.

Detroit teams seem to often get cast as the "badguy".  Fine by me.  The villains are always cooler.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on October 31, 2011, 04:37:16 PM
As a Lions fan, I can say I was totally fine with the Good vs. Evil battle the NFL was hyping.

Well, they had to somehow drive ratings for a game that was basically a foregone conclusion.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on October 31, 2011, 05:00:50 PM
As a Lions fan, I can say I was totally fine with the Good vs. Evil battle the NFL was hyping.

Well, they had to somehow drive ratings for a game that was basically a foregone conclusion.

The Tebows were Epic WIN! 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on October 31, 2011, 07:31:07 PM
WOOHOO - Giants are 5-2 and leading the division.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on November 01, 2011, 12:06:16 AM
RIVERS ROMO'D IT!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 01, 2011, 05:23:47 AM
Rivers Romo sounds like the stage name of the frontman for a Weezer cover band.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on November 04, 2011, 02:35:04 PM
Rivers Romo sounds like the stage name of the frontman for a Weezer cover band.

Or a porn star
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on November 06, 2011, 11:50:45 PM
GO RAVENS!!!! 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 07, 2011, 05:27:37 AM
Goddamnit that game sucked.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on November 07, 2011, 06:15:22 AM
Goddamnit that game sucked.
;D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 07, 2011, 08:06:49 AM
Goddamnit that game sucked.

Dude the Pat's days are over as an unbeatable force in Football.  The blame goes to Belichick.  The Defensive Genius has Krafted the worst defense I have seen in a long time.  Brady does not look good, and has no way to spread the field so every D knows to play tight and close.   

Tim Tebow is getting the kind of Sucks chants you usually only here from a WWE Wrestling crowd. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on November 07, 2011, 08:20:47 AM
I never thought I'd say this...but I feel kinda bad for Tebow.  From all accounts, he's a hard worker that never complains and does everything he can to win.  He's just not NFL caliber as a QB.  He took some shots in this game that should have been called.  Yet, he was still trying to break up fights between the teams.  If Vick took shots like that, he'd have a press conference to declare the refs racist or something.  Tebow, however, seems like an actual nice kid.

He might have some crazy beliefs, but that doesn't mean he's deserving of the treatment he's getting.  If anyone should be vilified it's whoever in Denver came up with the idea that Tebow was first round material.  That and all the fans who complained and insisted that Tebow be made the starter to "save" the franchise.  It is a managerial clusterfuck of epic proportions.  But I do feel bad for the kid.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 07, 2011, 09:07:25 AM
Goddamnit that game sucked.

Dude the Pat's days are over as an unbeatable force in Football.  The blame goes to Belichick.  The Defensive Genius has Krafted the worst defense I have seen in a long time.  Brady does not look good, and has no way to spread the field so every D knows to play tight and close.   

Tim Tebow is getting the kind of Sucks chants you usually only here from a WWE Wrestling crowd.

The first half made me think of the Pats D of old, when they were the type of D which would guarantee that at least one of the opposing team's star players would get carted off the field. Remember 2007? Every goddamn game an opposing WR or TE was getting taken off with a concussion after Harrison or Bruschi or Seau put such an obscene hit on them that if they had done it in the Goodell era they would have been suspended. That Spikes hit on that Giants TE in the first half reminded me of that.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on November 07, 2011, 09:40:40 AM
GO RAVENS!!!!

So they have the number 1 defense in the league, beat one of the most popular teams in the league in their own home (one they don't usually perform well in I might add) and keep them from reaching first place in the division and the Ravens still don't get much love from non Marylanders?  What's up with that?  I'm an NFL newb so I honestly don't get it, can someone explain it to me?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 07, 2011, 09:43:34 AM
GO RAVENS!!!!

So they have the number 1 defense in the league, beat one of the most popular teams in the league in their own home (one they don't usually perform well in I might add) and keep them from reaching first place in the division and the Ravens still don't get much love from non Marylanders?  What's up with that?  I'm an NFL newb so I honestly don't get it, can someone explain it to me?

People can't let go of the notion that the Ravens are a 1-dimensional team which wins on defensive prowess alone.. TBH, Flacco hasn't done much to dispel this notion at times.. although he's better than most QBs.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on November 07, 2011, 09:47:35 AM
People can't let go of the notion that the Ravens are a 1-dimensional team which wins on defensive prowess alone.. TBH, Flacco hasn't done much to dispel this notion at times.. although he's better than most QBs.

I guess I can see that.  Flacco's good... at times.  He's just not consistently good.  When they get their act together they are a sight to behold but he's got nothing on Roethlisberger, Vick, etc.  I'm still amazed they pulled off that last touchdown yesterday.  They had what, 3 incomplete, yet perfect passes and still managed to get it there?  Once Smith gets his hands in check and can consistently catch the ball he's gonna really make a name for himself though.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 07, 2011, 09:52:53 AM
People can't let go of the notion that the Ravens are a 1-dimensional team which wins on defensive prowess alone.. TBH, Flacco hasn't done much to dispel this notion at times.. although he's better than most QBs.

I guess I can see that.  Flacco's good... at times.  He's just not consistently good.  When they get their act together they are a sight to behold but he's got nothing on Roethlisberger, Vick, etc.  I'm still amazed they pulled off that last touchdown yesterday.  They had what, 3 incomplete, yet perfect passes and still managed to get it there?  Once Smith gets his hands in check and can consistently catch the ball he's gonna really make a name for himself though.

Also, the Ravens are a relatively new team, they were an expansion team created after that weasel Irsay packed up the Baltimore Colts and shipped them off to Indianapolis in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 07, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
People can't let go of the notion that the Ravens are a 1-dimensional team which wins on defensive prowess alone.. TBH, Flacco hasn't done much to dispel this notion at times.. although he's better than most QBs.

I guess I can see that.  Flacco's good... at times.  He's just not consistently good.  When they get their act together they are a sight to behold but he's got nothing on Roethlisberger, Vick, etc.  I'm still amazed they pulled off that last touchdown yesterday.  They had what, 3 incomplete, yet perfect passes and still managed to get it there?  Once Smith gets his hands in check and can consistently catch the ball he's gonna really make a name for himself though.

Also, the Ravens are a relatively new team, they were an expansion team created after that weasel Irsay packed up the Baltimore Colts and shipped them off to Indianapolis in the middle of the night.

LOL, you underestimate the hypocrisy of Baltimore fans still bitter about the Colts. The Cleveland Browns owner tried to move them to Baltimore after the 1994 season, was sued, and the compromise agreed to was that the team could move, but the Browns name and records would be left in Cleveland to be taken up 3 years later by an expansion team.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on November 07, 2011, 10:45:36 AM
People can't let go of the notion that the Ravens are a 1-dimensional team which wins on defensive prowess alone.. TBH, Flacco hasn't done much to dispel this notion at times.. although he's better than most QBs.

I guess I can see that.  Flacco's good... at times.  He's just not consistently good.  When they get their act together they are a sight to behold but he's got nothing on Roethlisberger, Vick, etc.  I'm still amazed they pulled off that last touchdown yesterday.  They had what, 3 incomplete, yet perfect passes and still managed to get it there?  Once Smith gets his hands in check and can consistently catch the ball he's gonna really make a name for himself though.

Also, the Ravens are a relatively new team, they were an expansion team created after that weasel Irsay packed up the Baltimore Colts and shipped them off to Indianapolis in the middle of the night.

They aren't an expansion team.  They stole the Browns from Cleveland after all their whinning (how do you spell hypocrite in Maryland).  The city of Cleveland, though, had the stones (unlike Baltimore) to force the NFL to leave the team name, colors, and records to remain with the city.  The organization and players, however, were the Browns.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 07, 2011, 10:47:32 AM
lol, can you tell Colts fans are sick of the holier than thou shit from Baltimore?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on November 07, 2011, 01:21:24 PM
lol, can you tell Colts fans are sick of the holier than thou shit from Baltimore?

For the record, I find the "rivalry" between the Colts and the Ravens to currently be a little contrived and pointless.  Really don't get it myself.  Sure, a decade after it happened I get it, but almost everyone is gone except the Colts' owner I think.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 07, 2011, 02:51:11 PM
lol, can you tell Colts fans are sick of the holier than thou shit from Baltimore?

For the record, I find the "rivalry" between the Colts and the Ravens to currently be a little contrived and pointless.  Really don't get it myself.  Sure, a decade after it happened I get it, but almost everyone is gone except the Colts' owner I think.

The guy that moved the team was the father of the Colts current owner. He's been dead almost 15 years now. Jim Irsay was barely out of college when the team moved.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on November 07, 2011, 03:08:17 PM
lol, can you tell Colts fans are sick of the holier than thou shit from Baltimore?

For the record, I find the "rivalry" between the Colts and the Ravens to currently be a little contrived and pointless.  Really don't get it myself.  Sure, a decade after it happened I get it, but almost everyone is gone except the Colts' owner I think.

The guy that moved the team was the father of the Colts current owner. He's been dead almost 15 years now. Jim Irsay was barely out of college when the team moved.

Well, like I said; NFL newb.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on November 07, 2011, 05:10:18 PM
Goddamnit that game sucked.

Dude the Pat's days are over as an unbeatable force in Football.  The blame goes to Belichick.  The Defensive Genius has Krafted the worst defense I have seen in a long time.  Brady does not look good, and has no way to spread the field so every D knows to play tight and close.   

Well that happens when you play a quality team.
 ;)
Oh yeah - 6-2 and beat the Pats in Foxboro.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 14, 2011, 06:17:38 AM
Wow, I honestly did not expect the Patriots to beat the Jets last night. I didn't even watch the game because I made a mental calculation that it wasn't worth it for me to get emotionally invested in a late game since I was confident it wasn't going to go in our favor.. But that looks like it was a game I should have watched.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: random poet on November 14, 2011, 02:16:31 PM
I saw a nice quote in an article (http://deadspin.com/5859263/is-tim-tebows-afraid+to+throw-broncos-offense-crazy-enough-to-work) today, and I figured you folks would appreciate it.
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If nothing else, the rest of the Broncos' season will be a fascinating controlled experiment in whether these types of schemes can work in the NFL. While many wondered whether Tebow might be the guy to bring the spread option to the NFL, few thought it would be because his team was terrible, his coaches were too scared to let him pass, and the organization didn't believe in him enough to care whether he got beat up doing it.

The article's title is just as funny: Is Tim Tebow’s Afraid-To-Throw Broncos Offense Crazy Enough To Work?

This kid seems like a high-school QB that lucked into an NFL team, but they are 4-5, so maybe there is something to this? What if they win a few more games and finish on top of the AFC West? They're only one win behind.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 14, 2011, 04:21:26 PM
I saw a nice quote in an article (http://deadspin.com/5859263/is-tim-tebows-afraid+to+throw-broncos-offense-crazy-enough-to-work) today, and I figured you folks would appreciate it.
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If nothing else, the rest of the Broncos' season will be a fascinating controlled experiment in whether these types of schemes can work in the NFL. While many wondered whether Tebow might be the guy to bring the spread option to the NFL, few thought it would be because his team was terrible, his coaches were too scared to let him pass, and the organization didn't believe in him enough to care whether he got beat up doing it.

The article's title is just as funny: Is Tim Tebow’s Afraid-To-Throw Broncos Offense Crazy Enough To Work?

This kid seems like a high-school QB that lucked into an NFL team, but they are 4-5, so maybe there is something to this? What if they win a few more games and finish on top of the AFC West? They're only one win behind.

Yeah, but I think they're only 2-1 under Tebow, and the first win was just a giveaway by the Dolphins.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 14, 2011, 04:57:04 PM
It's going to be interesting because he's just so... different than all the other QBs in the league. The two reasons constantly put out for why you can't run the option in the pros are that:

a. Other teams will be able to sniff it out because there are more good players per team than in college, and
b. Even if you can run it, you're going to get your QB clobbered.

As for b., Tebow is not exactly a small man; I'm not terribly afraid of something happening to Rofflesberger either, and if anything you stand to get banged up less by running into people than from being blindsided while standing straight up in the pocket.

A. is another issue, but I don't know that I buy it either. Lou Holtz ran the triple option for *years*, really only ever moved because of pressure (QBs in colleges get pissed about the triple option because there's no pro team that runs it, and from what I gather Holtz was mostly like "okay, then" with that, but the alumni like to see their guys play in the pros almost as much as they like to see winning). Barry Switzer at Oklahoma is another guy who was pretty big with it for a long time. Point being, these guys ran that same supposedly simplistic offense for a loooooong time and nobody ever figured it out at that level. Is the pro game really *that* much different than the college game?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on November 14, 2011, 07:52:13 PM
It's going to be interesting because he's just so... different than all the other QBs in the league. The two reasons constantly put out for why you can't run the option in the pros are that:

a. Other teams will be able to sniff it out because there are more good players per team than in college, and
b. Even if you can run it, you're going to get your QB clobbered.

As for b., Tebow is not exactly a small man; I'm not terribly afraid of something happening to Rofflesberger either, and if anything you stand to get banged up less by running into people than from being blindsided while standing straight up in the pocket.

A. is another issue, but I don't know that I buy it either. Lou Holtz ran the triple option for *years*, really only ever moved because of pressure (QBs in colleges get pissed about the triple option because there's no pro team that runs it, and from what I gather Holtz was mostly like "okay, then" with that, but the alumni like to see their guys play in the pros almost as much as they like to see winning). Barry Switzer at Oklahoma is another guy who was pretty big with it for a long time. Point being, these guys ran that same supposedly simplistic offense for a loooooong time and nobody ever figured it out at that level. Is the pro game really *that* much different than the college game?
Yes.

Especially in defense.  You can take the greatest defensive players out of the college game and they don't stack up to defensive players on even mediocre pro teams.  They've seen all the tricks, all the disguises, they're much more disciplined.  It's much easier to fool defenses in college than in the pros.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 15, 2011, 05:54:31 AM

As for b., Tebow is not exactly a small man; I'm not terribly afraid of something happening to Rofflesberger either, and if anything you stand to get banged up less by running into people than from being blindsided while standing straight up in the pocket.


Dude.. I dunno. Vick is constantly injured and so is Rapelsburger. It's easy for you to say that you're not terribly afraid of something happening to Rapemeister because your last name (presumably) isn't Rooney, but if your last name were Rooney no doubt you'd be anxious every Sunday morning that your organization hasn't done enough to shore up the O line.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: superdave on November 15, 2011, 11:34:12 AM
You guys seem to know more football than me, but I know sports, and the key to any offense is having enough options to keep the defense guessing.  If your QB only throws 8 passes...why wouldn't the defense just play a run defense every single play?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 15, 2011, 11:42:37 AM
Tebow is going to get hurt at some point.  He is out of the pocket more than in it. 

Why would a team keep a QB with a Completion Rate of around 50%?  That is terrible!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 15, 2011, 03:39:34 PM
You guys seem to know more football than me, but I know sports, and the key to any offense is having enough options to keep the defense guessing.  If your QB only throws 8 passes...why wouldn't the defense just play a run defense every single play?
Because you can't just call a "run defense" that automatically works against every running play. In fact, I'm not sure there is a pre-scripted play which will work time and again against the wishbone or other option packages at all. The entire point of those plays are that the quarterback reads the defense and then runs the play against whatever they do. If the defense is cheating inside, a Tebow might keep the ball and run to the outside. If they're cheating towards contain on Tebow, he might hand the ball off to the back. Depending on how the play is set up, if the defense is playing the corners off the WRs (Denver usually runs their offense with 3-4 WRs), Tebow could toss the ball to one of those guys.

As for the notion that defenses are made up entirely of good players whereas in college there might be 2 or 3 dominant guys, that's true enough in the pros but I'm not entirely sure that's applicable here. The biggest thing about the wishbone/flexbone/insert "bone" here is that it doesn't *matter* what defense you're up against, it still works. Lou Holtz in particular ran that offense for years and years against some truly dominant football players and if anything the plays were more successful because those guys often roam around outside of where they're "supposed" to be and that can lead a player to be fooled for a big gain against option offenses.

In any case, I think the best answer here is "we don't know". There really has never been a team who has stuck to the bone for more than a couple games in the pros, certainly not long enough to adapt their personnel to it (I guess Miami's been working with it as a small staple of their offense for the past 3 years but that's as close as it gets... the next closest was New Orleans running it with Peyton Manning's dad in the late 70s for like a game and a half). There are all kinds of theories as to why it shouldn't work, but those theories also exist in the college game (the biggest one of which I see is preparation... well, now, you mean to tell me that an Oakland can better prepare for the Tebow Flex in a week than the Nebraska Cornhuskers could adapt to the Switzer wishbone in 15 years? Sorry, have to call BS on that).

I'm not particularly enamored with Tebow as an NFL quality player but neither am I convinced that there's no place in the pro game for the option. Especially if you can grab yourself 2 or 3 option quarterbacks, which you very well may be able to do if nobody else in the league values them.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: superdave on November 15, 2011, 03:55:08 PM
Ok having just read a bit about the option offense, I can see where you are coming from JS.  The option offense seems reasonable provided you have the personnel .    It will certainly be interesting to watch how this plays out.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on November 15, 2011, 04:05:36 PM
Well, they have a very weak season ahead of them.  What powerful defenses are they facing coming up?

But I don't think they'll outscore the Pats, or the Chargers, or the Bills.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on November 16, 2011, 07:53:12 PM
Recall, the wildcat was successful for a season-plus, primarily because a guard was unaccounted-for. Then an offseason occurred, and suddenly defenses could account for that guard. The wildcat was quietly retired.

The same will happen with the Timmy package. He has a unique set of skills, none of which involves him throwing the football farther than 20 yards downfield with any accuracy. It will take one offseason, at most, to counter all of Timmy's tricks. Then he will be playing in the Arena League or the CFL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 16, 2011, 08:03:53 PM
The CFL is significantly more pass-happy than the NFL. If someone there installed him and then was successful, that would actually be a *huge* data point in favor of this offense. I'm not sure that the Wildcat has been "quietly retired" either; Miami doesn't really have the personnel for it anymore and so they aren't going with it so much (and I never really did like big swathes of their implementation of the offense - split the QB wide? Really?) but the Eagles went into the year knowing they were going to be running an optiony offense, for instance, and, well the Broncos. It may well go the way of the run and shoot (which also wasn't, I don't think, given enough time in the NFL) but let's not declare it dead until it's actually died in the NFL.

As for outscoring teams, that's not really what the option is about. It's about outscoring the team they're facing, sure, but even in the heydoy of Oklahoma Barry Switzer's teams won a lot of 16-0 games. The biggest potential detriment I see to the option, in fact, is that it's tough to mount comebacks with (well, that and it's a bit on the boring side). Still, if Tebow could run an offense that kept his team on the field for 40 minutes a game and scored 20 points, that would be very, very effective in terms of winning games.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on November 16, 2011, 08:11:27 PM
The CFL is significantly more pass-happy than the NFL. If someone there installed him and then was successful, that would actually be a *huge* data point in favor of this offense. I'm not sure that the Wildcat has been "quietly retired" either; Miami doesn't really have the personnel for it anymore and so they aren't going with it so much (and I never really did like big swathes of their implementation of the offense - split the QB wide? Really?) but the Eagles went into the year knowing they were going to be running an optiony offense, for instance, and, well the Broncos. It may well go the way of the run and shoot (which also wasn't, I don't think, given enough time in the NFL) but let's not declare it dead until it's actually died in the NFL.

As for outscoring teams, that's not really what the option is about. It's about outscoring the team they're facing, sure, but even in the heydoy of Oklahoma Barry Switzer's teams won a lot of 16-0 games. The biggest potential detriment I see to the option, in fact, is that it's tough to mount comebacks with (well, that and it's a bit on the boring side). Still, if Tebow could run an offense that kept his team on the field for 40 minutes a game and scored 20 points, that would be very, very effective in terms of winning games.

The Run 'n' Shoot (dubbed the "chuck 'n' duck" by Buddy Ryan) died an early death because it relied on small, quick, but mostly small receivers who got destroyed after the catch and never lasted a full season. Likewise, option QBs will never last in the NFL because they'll be hammered senseless by the Ray Lewises and James Harrisons (legally or otherwise). All it takes is one shot, and they're gone for the year -- maybe longer. In a passing league, you have to, have to, protect your QB. And it helps if he can throw the ball a little bit too.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 17, 2011, 11:27:59 AM
Wow, I honestly did not expect the Patriots to beat the Jets last night. I didn't even watch the game because I made a mental calculation that it wasn't worth it for me to get emotionally invested in a late game since I was confident it wasn't going to go in our favor.. But that looks like it was a game I should have watched.

That game really changed the outlook for the Pat's season--and the division.
They have what can only be described as a reasonably easy schedule from here on out.


The Jets I think still haven't figured out who they are.

I grew up being more of a Jets fan than Giants.

But, the '08 playoff run was so exciting, that I became an Eli manning fan (I admit to jumping on a bandwagon there). and Rex Ryan is such a douchebag that I love to watch his team lose.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on November 17, 2011, 11:45:51 AM
My wife even became an Eli fan in '08.  Very early in the season she got so sick of the press about how Eli would always be in his brothers shadow, about how he was a mistake for the Giants to take him etc.etc.  She became a Giants fan to root for the younger brother syndrome.

Of course, we know how that season went.  She still roots for the Giants, even though Eli has the same number of rings as his brother.  She knows fuck all about football and yells for no given reason...but she roots for the Giants all the way.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 17, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
Wow, I honestly did not expect the Patriots to beat the Jets last night. I didn't even watch the game because I made a mental calculation that it wasn't worth it for me to get emotionally invested in a late game since I was confident it wasn't going to go in our favor.. But that looks like it was a game I should have watched.

That game really changed the outlook for the Pat's season--and the division.
They have what can only be described as a reasonably easy schedule from here on out.


The Jets I think still haven't figured out who they are.

I grew up being more of a Jets fan than Giants.

But, the '08 playoff run was so exciting, that I became an Eli manning fan (I admit to jumping on a bandwagon there). and Rex Ryan is such a douchebag that I love to watch his team lose.

I don't know about the Jets. I really think that Ryan hitched his team to the wrong wagon in drafting Sanchez. Sanchez is not a good quarterback. He just isn't.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 17, 2011, 12:52:50 PM
My wife even became an Eli fan in '08.  Very early in the season she got so sick of the press about how Eli would always be in his brothers shadow, about how he was a mistake for the Giants to take him etc.etc.  She became a Giants fan to root for the younger brother syndrome.


I think that narrative pulled me in as well.
In NY on the sports radio there were constant (and largely legitimate) doubts about Eli. Earlier in that season, it was assumed the Giants were headed for a losing season.

I mean sometimes it looks like he really is flustered--but the fact is, he is almost never really mentally flustered.

His 4th quarter play--especially his 2-minute drives-- is something to behold.
The last part of the defeat to the 49ers was one of those precious few losses that you can take without shame. The two 4th down conversions really had me thinking that he was gonna pull off another miracle.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on November 17, 2011, 01:00:13 PM
If you had to pick only one, would you say Vick is more a dog killer or a coach killer?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 17, 2011, 01:58:46 PM
My wife even became an Eli fan in '08.  Very early in the season she got so sick of the press about how Eli would always be in his brothers shadow, about how he was a mistake for the Giants to take him etc.etc.  She became a Giants fan to root for the younger brother syndrome.


I think that narrative pulled me in as well.
In NY on the sports radio there were constant (and largely legitimate) doubts about Eli. Earlier in that season, it was assumed the Giants were headed for a losing season.

I mean sometimes it looks like he really is flustered--but the fact is, he is almost never really mentally flustered.

His 4th quarter play--especially his 2-minute drives-- is something to behold.
The last part of the defeat to the 49ers was one of those precious few losses that you can take without shame. The two 4th down conversions really had me thinking that he was gonna pull off another miracle.
The loss to the Seahawks on the other hand...  >:D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on November 17, 2011, 03:06:43 PM
I always thought Eli got a bum deal.

I remember one year looking at his and Favre's stats, noticing the TD/INT ratio was almost identical, but the prevailing wisdom in the media was that Eli was "scared" and Favre was a "gunslinger".
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 17, 2011, 03:36:49 PM
I always thought Eli got a bum deal.

I remember one year looking at his and Favre's stats, noticing the TD/INT ratio was almost identical, but the prevailing wisdom in the media was that Eli was "scared" and Favre was a "gunslinger".

And I think part of that was what made the 2008 run so engaging. Each game coming in being the underdog, in the other team's turf--and just about each game being decided very late in the game. Totally wild.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on November 18, 2011, 01:46:38 AM
Shit. Until he starts losing, I've gotta give it to Tebow.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 18, 2011, 08:18:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UAsfn.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 18, 2011, 09:57:57 AM
Shit. Until he starts losing, I've gotta give it to Tebow.

Tebow AND the Lord.

 >:D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on November 18, 2011, 10:05:47 AM
My wife even became an Eli fan in '08.  Very early in the season she got so sick of the press about how Eli would always be in his brothers shadow, about how he was a mistake for the Giants to take him etc.etc.  She became a Giants fan to root for the younger brother syndrome.

Of course, we know how that season went.  She still roots for the Giants, even though Eli has the same number of rings as his brother.  She knows fuck all about football and yells for no given reason...but she roots for the Giants all the way.

I officially LOVE your wife.  ;)

On another note, there is a HUGE 49ers fan on my location (crew team).
We have 2 way radios with which to communicate.
All night Sunday night he was relentless on the niners beating the Giants (over the radio where everyone can hear).
I couldn't take him anymore and finally said something like, "When was the last time they won a SB?  Oh yeah, you were in diapers!"
That shut him up for a while.
I need them to get the shit kicked out of them by a really poor team so I have some ammo for when he starts up again this week....and he will.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on November 18, 2011, 10:23:38 AM
49ers are on fire this year.  Unless they fall apart as the season wears on (or if Frank Gore gets injured) they look like the only team that has decent shot of beating Green Bay in the NFC.  Sure, when the Saints are firing they're great...but they lost to my Bucs early in the season.

The Giants have a lot in common with the Bucs.  They've relied on the last minute comeback a few times too often.  Granted, they've been able to keep it a lot closer than the Bucs, but they're still coming from behind too often to last.  Too many good teams in this league for that to work every time.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 18, 2011, 11:24:49 AM
The 49ers are another team which has won because their coach is doing some really strange things. In Harbaugh's case, apparently he completely stripped out hot reads on blitzes, which paradoxically has made Alex Smith a much better QB under pressure. The plays run exactly the same with a blitz as without.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 20, 2011, 11:16:33 AM
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Watching Tebow play quarterback is like watching a television psychic perform a cold reading. He flails about, trying this strategy and that, looking lost and a little silly. Then suddenly, someone shouts, "That voice from the spirit world you are hearing whose first name begins with a J is my great-uncle Jasper!" Everyone gasps in awe and cheers wildly as Jasper delivers his otherworldly message of vagueness, and any skeptic who dares to point out the absurdity of it all is branded a hateful killjoy.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/redefining-excellence-one-handoff-at-a-time/ (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/redefining-excellence-one-handoff-at-a-time/)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 20, 2011, 05:25:52 PM
Quote
Watching Tebow play quarterback is like watching a television psychic perform a cold reading. He flails about, trying this strategy and that, looking lost and a little silly. Then suddenly, someone shouts, "That voice from the spirit world you are hearing whose first name begins with a J is my great-uncle Jasper!" Everyone gasps in awe and cheers wildly as Jasper delivers his otherworldly message of vagueness, and any skeptic who dares to point out the absurdity of it all is branded a hateful killjoy.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/redefining-excellence-one-handoff-at-a-time/ (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/redefining-excellence-one-handoff-at-a-time/)

Skeptical shout-outs? Insulting Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow? That may have been my favorite NY Times article ever.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 20, 2011, 05:50:05 PM
He's a writer for Football Outsiders. Must read for anyone into looking at football at least semi-rationally.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 20, 2011, 11:34:33 PM
This week's mobile QBs,
in upcoming praise from the media: Tebow>VY> Locker

In performance: Locker>Tebow> VY
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 20, 2011, 11:40:06 PM
4-6, suckas! 4-6!!! And a pretty cake schedule the rest of the way, I might add! 9-7 is still a possibility!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 21, 2011, 06:35:29 AM
You know.. I really hate DeSean Jackson. I mean.. I really hate that guy.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 21, 2011, 07:03:30 AM
Quote
Watching Tebow play quarterback is like watching a television psychic perform a cold reading. He flails about, trying this strategy and that, looking lost and a little silly. Then suddenly, someone shouts, "That voice from the spirit world you are hearing whose first name begins with a J is my great-uncle Jasper!" Everyone gasps in awe and cheers wildly as Jasper delivers his otherworldly message of vagueness, and any skeptic who dares to point out the absurdity of it all is branded a hateful killjoy.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/redefining-excellence-one-handoff-at-a-time/ (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/redefining-excellence-one-handoff-at-a-time/)

Excellent, and spot on
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on November 22, 2011, 06:17:03 PM
You know.. I really hate DeSean Jackson. I mean.. I really hate that guy.

As an Iggles fan I'm really ambivalent toward DJax -- basically an immature prodigy being molded by an overbearing auteur. I don't hate him by any means. He certainly deserves a HUGE raise. But his behavior is definitely offputting to fans and teammates alike.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 23, 2011, 09:27:37 AM
I just can't stand that pompous ass hole. I had completely forgotten about that ludicrous display at the end of a PR last season where he ran for 10 yards along the goal line before finally crossing it just to showboat.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 23, 2011, 09:46:02 AM
I just can't stand that pompous ass hole. I had completely forgotten about that ludicrous display at the end of a PR last season where he ran for 10 yards along the goal line before finally crossing it just to showboat.

Well I think part of it was helping to run out the clock.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 23, 2011, 01:49:53 PM
I would have been hacked off if I was a fan of the opposing team but I saw that and thought "hey, looks like someone's been playing Madden".
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 23, 2011, 02:15:39 PM
dola,

Denver cut Kyle Orton. I get that he had a bad start and that they are committed to Tebow, but WTF? I guess they still have Brady Quinn...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 23, 2011, 02:22:12 PM
dola,

Denver cut Kyle Orton. I get that he had a bad start and that they are committed to Tebow, but WTF? I guess they still have Brady Quinn...

Tebow is going to get buried by a good aggressive D sometime soon.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 23, 2011, 03:49:20 PM
Actually I think an aggressive d would work to tebow's strengths. What's going to hurt him is if Denver's D puts him behind by a couple touchdowns and forces him to play catch-up.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: random poet on November 23, 2011, 07:53:43 PM
dola,

Denver cut Kyle Orton. I get that he had a bad start and that they are committed to Tebow, but WTF? I guess they still have Brady Quinn...

Tebow is going to get buried by a good aggressive D sometime soon.

People said that before they played the Jets last week too.

Obviously Tebow is a ridiculous person, but I find myself enjoying this turn of events, what with all the pundits raging about how option will never work in the NFL, despite glaring evidence of the contrary.

All you need is a quarterback who can't throw and a team which can't defend properly. Should be easy for some other low-tier teams, right? And you need to pray to God a lot, obviously, because you need him on your side. The game basically depends on which team can out-pray the other on the field.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 24, 2011, 09:03:31 AM
I just can't stand that pompous ass hole. I had completely forgotten about that ludicrous display at the end of a PR last season where he ran for 10 yards along the goal line before finally crossing it just to showboat.

Well I think part of it was helping to run out the clock.

Was that the case? I don't remember that.

At any rate..

Nickelback.

NICKELBACK?

Detroit fucking rock and soul city and you FUCKING HIRE FUCKING NICKELBACK?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 24, 2011, 09:07:05 AM
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-detroit-lions-replace-nickelback-as-the-halftime-show-for-the-thanksgiving-game (http://www.change.org/petitions/the-detroit-lions-replace-nickelback-as-the-halftime-show-for-the-thanksgiving-game)

I hope the fans fucking riot.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 24, 2011, 11:04:07 AM
! Does anyone even like Nickelback? Is this some sort of ploy to get people to leave their seats during halftime to spend money on alcoholic beverages and concessions?

No.
Yes.

If Bill Hicks were still alive he'd be talking about Nickelback sucking Satan's Pecker...

No Riot, I don't want the 2nd half to be ruined, just a audible obvious boo.   
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 24, 2011, 01:01:58 PM
Stafford's broken pinkie is really messing him up.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 24, 2011, 01:45:39 PM
! Does anyone even like Nickelback? Is this some sort of ploy to get people to leave their seats during halftime to spend money on alcoholic beverages and concessions?

No.
Yes.

If Bill Hicks were still alive he'd be talking about Nickelback sucking Satan's Pecker...

No Riot, I don't want the 2nd half to be ruined, just a audible obvious boo.   

I mean.. seriously, who likes them? There is this subset of the population that likes bands like Nickelback that people with IQs over 100 just never encounter. I can't remember anyone I've ever known or met saying that they like that "band".
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 24, 2011, 02:48:58 PM
And Suh forever loses the argument as to whether he's a dirty player. Repeatedly slams an opposing player's head to the ground then when he's pulled off stomps on the guys arm.

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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 24, 2011, 02:50:50 PM
Anyone want to place bets on the length of his suspension?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 24, 2011, 03:00:31 PM
Anyone want to place bets on the length of his suspension?

Haynesworth got 5 for stomping on the head of a guy who had lost his helmet. Suh will get significantly less than that. I'm thinking 2 games.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 24, 2011, 03:06:19 PM
Good news for the Seahawks' tiny playoff chances!!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 25, 2011, 02:33:12 PM
Anyone want to place bets on the length of his suspension?

Haynesworth got 5 for stomping on the head of a guy who had lost his helmet. Suh will get significantly less than that. I'm thinking 2 games.

I think you are probably right, but I think it is abouy time that the league start to let the players know that this stuff has to stop.
I'd really like them to make the penalties not necessarily refer or compare to previous ones.

Something like: "What was it about the Haynesworth situation did you not understand?  Five games for you too."

"Anyone else want to pull this crap? Six games next time."

Honestly, I'd say a one-year suspension wouldn't bother me.
Repeat offenders get kicked out of the league.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 25, 2011, 09:05:13 PM
Rodney Harrison is calling for Suh to be suspended. 

Pot Kettle?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on November 27, 2011, 09:24:48 PM
Palko is terrible, 3 TOs in just over a quarter. Put in Stanzi
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on November 28, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-detroit-lions-replace-nickelback-as-the-halftime-show-for-the-thanksgiving-game (http://www.change.org/petitions/the-detroit-lions-replace-nickelback-as-the-halftime-show-for-the-thanksgiving-game)

I hope the fans fucking riot.

I like the lions, I like Detroit - I don't like Nickleback. But the petition did nothing. Pretty much every radiostation (Rock, country, classic) was talking about this for weeks leading up to the game. I understand that people were upset, but personally I thought everyone was ... too upset? I mean, really? Let's freak out about this but not care about anything else that's going on in the world. Also, how many people who are watching via TV are actually paying attention to halftime? I was eating dinner - I missed the halftime show and 3rd quarterm but that's ok - I was with family eating amazing food!

As for Suh --- UGHHHHHH, so frustrating! The kid needs to cool his jets and stop being a sore loser (hello, are you an adult yet?). Also, he is in a Chrysler commercial about humble begginings - not so great for Chysler. (Though I did dig Fiat being on stage during J-Lo's American Music Awards performace)

<3Katherine
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on November 29, 2011, 01:59:40 AM
Giants are so banged up.
The slaughtering in New Orleans was just proof of how badly I need my injured players back.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 29, 2011, 05:53:29 AM
I think there were a couple of questionable calls for head hits on receivers in that game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on November 29, 2011, 07:15:00 AM
As a Lions fan, please indulge me when I say that Suh lost his head, deserved the ejection, deserves the fine, not so sure about a 2 game suspension.

However, I find all the indignant outrage hilarious as I can log on to Amazon.com right now and buy more than 10 different "big/crunching/massive hits" videos from NFL Films.

Yes Goodell, stroke your beard and cluck your tongue and say "what's to be done with this Ndamukong Suh!?"
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on November 29, 2011, 01:09:26 PM
As a Lions fan, please indulge me when I say that Suh lost his head, deserved the ejection, deserves the fine, not so sure about a 2 game suspension.

However, I find all the indignant outrage hilarious as I can log on to Amazon.com right now and buy more than 10 different "big/crunching/massive hits" videos from NFL Films.

Yes Goodell, stroke your beard and cluck your tongue and say "what's to be done with this Ndamukong Suh!?"

2 game suspension is more than fair for an intentional arm stomp, and Haynesworth deserved the 5 games for his head stomp of Gurode a few years back.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 29, 2011, 01:22:41 PM
As a Lions fan, please indulge me when I say that Suh lost his head, deserved the ejection, deserves the fine, not so sure about a 2 game suspension.

However, I find all the indignant outrage hilarious as I can log on to Amazon.com right now and buy more than 10 different "big/crunching/massive hits" videos from NFL Films.

Yes Goodell, stroke your beard and cluck your tongue and say "what's to be done with this Ndamukong Suh!?"

2 game suspension is more than fair for an intentional arm stomp, and Haynesworth deserved the 5 games for his head stomp of Gurode a few years back.

I think the league needs to up the ante each time these things occur.

Should have been 3-4 games.

Next time: five or six. These jerks need to get the message.


I think the violent hit part of the game detracts from it rather enhances the game.

I think it would make the game more interesting if it was more about quickness, speed and finesse rather than explosive collisions and dirty late hits.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on November 29, 2011, 03:31:54 PM
As a Lions fan, please indulge me when I say that Suh lost his head, deserved the ejection, deserves the fine, not so sure about a 2 game suspension.

However, I find all the indignant outrage hilarious as I can log on to Amazon.com right now and buy more than 10 different "big/crunching/massive hits" videos from NFL Films.

Yes Goodell, stroke your beard and cluck your tongue and say "what's to be done with this Ndamukong Suh!?"

I think one game would be fair.  One for each incident.  That three head slams equal three games, plus the one for the stomp equals four.  He's a dirty player.  I hope two offensive linemen go high/low on him in his first game back.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on November 29, 2011, 04:31:54 PM
Quote
I think the violent hit part of the game detracts from it rather enhances the game.

But my point is that deep down inside, from what's being sold in highlights videos, the NFL doesn't really think that way.

It's certainly good PR for them to say that they don't like it though....while making cash on the other end...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 29, 2011, 04:41:16 PM
My big issue with the violence is that it represents a huge externality that the NFL flat-out refuses to deal with: the long-term effects of football on former pro players. In the end, the way the league is going to finally be forced to deal with this is when the NFLPA starts requiring the league to pay for the health care (including psychiatric issues) of former players.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 29, 2011, 04:43:01 PM
Quote
I think the violent hit part of the game detracts from it rather enhances the game.

But my point is that deep down inside, from what's being sold in highlights videos, the NFL doesn't really think that way.

Absolutely.

Until very recently all the little animated graphics would feature helmets slamming into helmets and creating explosions.
KAPOW!!

There is an infantile attachment to the more violent aspects of the game, that many of the core fans thing must be there. They think new rules about protecting quarterbacks or trying to cut down on helmet to helmet bows makes the game wimpy.
Then they will cite "toughness" of players from decades ago, ignoring the fact that the players today are MUCH bigger and much more powerful and faster.
When they collide bad things happen.


I think the league can go much further into making the game less violent and the game itself wouldn't suffer--I thing in many aspects the game would improve.


The injuries, the late hits, stomping and taunting is just too stupid to watch.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 29, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
Which leads to my least favorite aspect of following American pro football: fans who call players "pussies" for not wanting to have their post-football quality of life hurt and sometimes ruined by getting hit in the head repeatedly.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on November 29, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Quote

The injuries, the late hits, stomping and taunting is just too stupid to watch.

Certainly agree with the late hits, and dirty stuff like after the play stomping......I don't mind the taunts too much.   Everyone made a big deal about Stevie Johnson's TD celebration where he taunted Plaxico Burress.

If a guy getting himself sent to prison because he stuck an illegal gun in his sweatpants and shot himself in a strip club doesn't deserve to be openly mocked, I don't know what does....besides, sweatpants in a strip club?  eew.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 29, 2011, 05:34:16 PM
Quote

The injuries, the late hits, stomping and taunting is just too stupid to watch.

Certainly agree with the late hits, and dirty stuff like after the play stomping......I don't mind the taunts too much.   Everyone made a big deal about Stevie Johnson's TD celebration where he taunted Plaxico Burress.

If a guy getting himself sent to prison because he stuck an illegal gun in his sweatpants and shot himself in a strip club doesn't deserve to be openly mocked, I don't know what does....besides, sweatpants in a strip club?  eew.

I don't think the ref should be deciding which player's off-field exploits are worthy of mockery.

Plaxico is an idiot (and served his time for his legal offense), but: Johnson KNEW he'd draw a penalty.

He decided that the only person whop mattered on that play was himself.

That is what pisses me off. There was a quarterback and a bunch of other offensive players who made that play happen and Johnson had NO right to take 15 yards away from them just so he could do a "look at me" standup routine.

Then he can't fucking catch balls that were practically handed to him. He basically gave the game to the Jets. Now Plaxico and his team are still alive and Johnson and his team are totally sunk.


Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on November 30, 2011, 02:57:28 AM
All that you say about TD celebrations may be true, and yet, I can't seem to get past one thing.

What's the harm?  Some people find the celebrations annoying, judging by the popularity of players like Chad Johnson, Deion Sanders, etc, some people quite like the celebrations.  Can someone make a case that celebrations actually damage the game?

A team gets upset because a guy celebrates scoring against them?

How about this?  Don't let the guy score, and you won't see him celebrate!



Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 30, 2011, 05:23:39 AM
Quote
I think the violent hit part of the game detracts from it rather enhances the game.

But my point is that deep down inside, from what's being sold in highlights videos, the NFL doesn't really think that way.

It's certainly good PR for them to say that they don't like it though....while making cash on the other end...

Without getting into specifics since I don't own any of the aforementioned "biggest hits" videos, but I'm going to go ahead and guess that those hits were largely legal and occurred while the ball was still in play rather than while a player was already on the ground. Sorry dude, but I think you've got your home team goggles on.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on November 30, 2011, 05:52:07 AM
Quote
I think the violent hit part of the game detracts from it rather enhances the game.

But my point is that deep down inside, from what's being sold in highlights videos, the NFL doesn't really think that way.

It's certainly good PR for them to say that they don't like it though....while making cash on the other end...

Without getting into specifics since I don't own any of the aforementioned "biggest hits" videos, but I'm going to go ahead and guess that those hits were largely legal and occurred while the ball was still in play rather than while a player was already on the ground. Sorry dude, but I think you've got your home team goggles on.

I'll go ahead and concede that Suh got the suspension he deserved.  He stomped on a guy after the whistle.  You can't do that.  Totally uncalled for.

Do you understand my point that the NFL clearly says that they care about player safety and act outraged whenever particularly rough things happen on the field, get flustered when they don't like particular TD celebrations and then intentionally market the league to people who love that very thing? 

The only thing that keeps me from calling the NFL the most hypocritical governing organization in all of sports worldwide is that the NCAA and FIFA exist.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 30, 2011, 06:18:16 AM
I don't disagree with the sentiment.. but FWIW my perfunctory Amazon search comes up with "Moment of Impact" as the most recent NFL films video in the genre, and that was produced in 2007, which was one year after Goodell took over, and before the whole concussion kerfuffle started. It's possible that film was already in production when he took over, and that since then he has disallowed any more of those films.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on November 30, 2011, 09:49:20 AM
All that you say about TD celebrations may be true, and yet, I can't seem to get past one thing.

What's the harm?  Some people find the celebrations annoying, judging by the popularity of players like Chad Johnson, Deion Sanders, etc, some people quite like the celebrations.  Can someone make a case that celebrations actually damage the game?

A team gets upset because a guy celebrates scoring against them?

How about this?  Don't let the guy score, and you won't see him celebrate!

I suppose there is no harm in any unsportsmanlike conduct so long as it isn't doing physical harm to someone.
Celebration is one thing, but full out choreographed taunting and "me-me-me" attention whoring is another.

Still, the ass who does that crap is taking sole credit for something that took a whole team to produce-whether it be the individual play or the whole drive.
They do backfire and motivate the opposing team.

I don't care for that crap at all. I know some people like it, but it seems like a small minority. I think sports leagues have some responsibility --maybe partly in relation to their anti-trust exemptions--to put try to foster some semblance of sportsmanship.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on November 30, 2011, 12:22:58 PM
All that you say about TD celebrations may be true, and yet, I can't seem to get past one thing.

What's the harm?  Some people find the celebrations annoying, judging by the popularity of players like Chad Johnson, Deion Sanders, etc, some people quite like the celebrations.  Can someone make a case that celebrations actually damage the game?

A team gets upset because a guy celebrates scoring against them?

How about this?  Don't let the guy score, and you won't see him celebrate!

I think rules were tightened after the likes of Johnson, TO, etc., inspired every damned player on the field to have a skit prepared for the next time they made it into the end zone.

I laugh at really entertaining celebrations, and I love it when players simply congratulate their teammates and trot off like they've been there before; most everything in between annoys me.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 30, 2011, 12:26:52 PM
I love the Gronk Spike.

I'm sort of glad that Ochocinco hasn't scored a TD for the Patriots, because he sort of annoyed me with his celebrations. I think the one I liked most was back around Spygate T.O. (or was it Ocho?) scored a TD and celebrated by pantomiming videotaping the field using one of those old-timey hand-crank film cameras.

A couple years back Welker got flagged for excessive celebration when he dropped to the field and made a snow angel during a snowy late-season blowout against the Titans.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on November 30, 2011, 01:36:05 PM
I love the Gronk Spike.

I'm sort of glad that Ochocinco hasn't scored a TD for the Patriots, because he sort of annoyed me with his celebrations. I think the one I liked most was back around Spygate T.O. (or was it Ocho?) scored a TD and celebrated by pantomiming videotaping the field using one of those old-timey hand-crank film cameras.

A couple years back Welker got flagged for excessive celebration when he dropped to the field and made a snow angel during a snowy late-season blowout against the Titans.

I loved the Stage Bow Deoin Branch sometimes does.  That is class.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on November 30, 2011, 01:42:22 PM
All that you say about TD celebrations may be true, and yet, I can't seem to get past one thing.

What's the harm?  Some people find the celebrations annoying, judging by the popularity of players like Chad Johnson, Deion Sanders, etc, some people quite like the celebrations.  Can someone make a case that celebrations actually damage the game?

A team gets upset because a guy celebrates scoring against them?

How about this?  Don't let the guy score, and you won't see him celebrate!

I think rules were tightened after the likes of Johnson, TO, etc., inspired every damned player on the field to have a skit prepared for the next time they made it into the end zone.

I laugh at really entertaining celebrations, and I love it when players simply congratulate their teammates and trot off like they've been there before; most everything in between annoys me.
Not really. They've been on the books ever since the Hogs (the Washington Redskins' offensive line in the early 80s) made a habit of doing ring a round of rosies in the end zone after every score. That level of celebration was definitely excessive (and gets to the point to where it's interrupting the game and/or taunting) but I really don't see how the rest of this stuff, including Johnson's touchdown celebration or for that matter Golden Tate's out here in Seattle this past week gets anywhere near that level. At one point in the 80s - actually this may still be the case - spiking the ball counted as a 15 yard penalty. What happened to reasonableness?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on November 30, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
Ah, I thought it was a more recent deal. The ring around the rosies thing is pretty awesome!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on November 30, 2011, 02:09:59 PM
Who was that DE or DT who used to (or maybe it was just once) get down on all fours and pretend that he was a dog peeing on the QB after he sacked him?

I can't remember his name.. he retired around 2000 and is on of the top 5 in career sacks.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 01, 2011, 10:07:43 AM
Who was that DE or DT who used to (or maybe it was just once) get down on all fours and pretend that he was a dog peeing on the QB after he sacked him?

This was a grown man?

Unbelievably stupid. I can't believe his coach would allow that.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 01, 2011, 11:00:41 AM
I think his name was Ed Seamas, actually.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 01, 2011, 11:06:55 AM
They were talking about celebrations on Inside the NFL last night. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 01, 2011, 11:34:15 AM
John Randle, that's who it was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randle)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on December 01, 2011, 12:24:40 PM
All that you say about TD celebrations may be true, and yet, I can't seem to get past one thing.

What's the harm?  Some people find the celebrations annoying, judging by the popularity of players like Chad Johnson, Deion Sanders, etc, some people quite like the celebrations.  Can someone make a case that celebrations actually damage the game?

A team gets upset because a guy celebrates scoring against them?

How about this?  Don't let the guy score, and you won't see him celebrate!


The flip side is "what is the harm in calling the penalty"?  You punish teams that are filled with selfish undeciplined players.  I think they should be throwing a lot more flags on the mini celebrations after getting a first down, making a decent tackle, etc...  You don't see anyone in my accounting office doing the muscle flex after completing a spreadsheet.  That sack...it's called your job.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 01, 2011, 12:41:45 PM
All that you say about TD celebrations may be true, and yet, I can't seem to get past one thing.

What's the harm?  Some people find the celebrations annoying, judging by the popularity of players like Chad Johnson, Deion Sanders, etc, some people quite like the celebrations.  Can someone make a case that celebrations actually damage the game?

A team gets upset because a guy celebrates scoring against them?

How about this?  Don't let the guy score, and you won't see him celebrate!


The flip side is "what is the harm in calling the penalty"?  You punish teams that are filled with selfish undeciplined players.  I think they should be throwing a lot more flags on the mini celebrations after getting a first down, making a decent tackle, etc...  You don't see anyone in my accounting office doing the muscle flex after completing a spreadsheet.  That sack...it's called your job.

I'm OK with celebrating sacks, TFLs, and FF and INTs, but when I see an LB dancing after he limits a RB to a 5-yard carry I get really irritated.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 01, 2011, 12:41:56 PM

The flip side is "what is the harm in calling the penalty"?  You punish teams that are filled with selfish undeciplined players.  I think they should be throwing a lot more flags on the mini celebrations after getting a first down, making a decent tackle, etc...  You don't see anyone in my accounting office doing the muscle flex after completing a spreadsheet.  That sack...it's called your job.

yep.

If we're gonna be OK with the damned dancing after making a catch in the end zone, there should be some sort of dunce-cap for each dropped pass or fumble.

I have been frequently noticing that guys who feel the need to gloat and dance in the end zone are the same guys you can depend on dropping 2-3 passes they had no business dropping.

Or they are celebrating in the end  zone when the team is losing by 2 touchdowns .
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on December 01, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
If an accountant completes a spreadsheet to the roar of 50,000 cheering people, a little victory dance would be in order.... so I think we have to leave some room for mini-celebrations, but MAN does this annoy me:

Or they are celebrating in the end  zone when the team is losing by 2 touchdowns .
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 01, 2011, 01:42:47 PM
John Randle, that's who it was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randle)
I INSTANTLY ENDORSE ALL THINGS THIS MAN DID
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 01, 2011, 01:48:35 PM
Vikings release McNabb, reportedly on his request. I guess with how thin some of the teams still in the running have gotten at QB he could make sense. Houston or Chicago probably.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 01, 2011, 03:24:54 PM
John Randle, that's who it was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Randle)
I INSTANTLY ENDORSE ALL THINGS THIS MAN DID

AGREED.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 01, 2011, 05:00:52 PM
I would give you a high five but if you're rooting for him for the same reason I am, I don't want to get icky Steve Hutchinson germs all over my hand.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 02, 2011, 12:43:43 AM

The flip side is "what is the harm in calling the penalty"?  You punish teams that are filled with selfish undeciplined players.  I think they should be throwing a lot more flags on the mini celebrations after getting a first down, making a decent tackle, etc...  You don't see anyone in my accounting office doing the muscle flex after completing a spreadsheet.  That sack...it's called your job.

yep.

If we're gonna be OK with the damned dancing after making a catch in the end zone, there should be some sort of dunce-cap for each dropped pass or fumble.

I have been frequently noticing that guys who feel the need to gloat and dance in the end zone are the same guys you can depend on dropping 2-3 passes they had no business dropping.

Or they are celebrating in the end  zone when the team is losing by 2 touchdowns .

If it happened on the sideline 30 seconds after the play, instead of the end zone 2 seconds after the play, would it be okay then?

Oh, I just saw Steve Levey on SportsCenter say that Tim Tebow is getting all the publicity, but it's the Denver defense that should be praised for the Broncos current record.

"Should" be praised?  Gee, ESPN, if only you were in the position to do something about that.  You know, like if only ESPN were the primary media voice of sports in America or something......

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 02, 2011, 05:28:09 AM
Heh, nicely done. Creepy timing too, I just saw Keyshawn Johnson repeating that "Tebow just wins!" trope. Tebow just wins because his defense limits opponents to under 20.. I submit that any QB drafted in the first round--even Ryan Leaf--can win a 2 or 3 score game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 02, 2011, 06:03:07 AM
Goddamn.. Marshawn Lynch is a BEAST.

I was so glad when he got himself run out of Buffalo, because I always hated facing that guy twice a year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 04, 2011, 03:59:36 PM
I don't think Belichick will ever remove Brady from a game again. Colts come from 28 down....

...to only lose by 7. Easily covered that absurd 20.5 point spread though.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 04, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
OMFG worst Timeout call in NFL history.  Dallas just gave that game to Arizona: Amazing TD run for the Cards. 

Yeah 3rd time might be the charm for Indy. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on December 04, 2011, 08:17:26 PM
How the FUCK do you drive down the field in the last 1:30 and score the tying TD only to let Green Bay roll right down into field goal range in the last minute?

 >:(
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 04, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
How the FUCK do you drive down the field in the last 1:30 and score the tying TD only to let Green Bay roll right down into field goal range in the last minute?

 >:(

Cuz it's Gree Bay.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 05, 2011, 05:26:04 AM
How the FUCK do you drive down the field in the last 1:30 and score the tying TD only to let Green Bay roll right down into field goal range in the last minute?

 >:(

Step 1: Hire Tom Coughlin

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Lose

OMFG worst Timeout call in NFL history.  Dallas just gave that game to Arizona: Amazing TD run for the Cards. 

Yeah 3rd time might be the charm for Indy. 

Did you see Jason Garrett's reaction on the sideline after the kicker missed the second attempt?

It was all: "Aw shucks, I'm gonna get it for this one"
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 05, 2011, 11:18:02 AM

Did you see Jason Garrett's reaction on the sideline after the kicker missed the second attempt?

It was all: "Aw shucks, I'm gonna get it for this one"

Must have been one damned uncomfortable plane ride home.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 05, 2011, 11:21:44 AM
How the FUCK do you drive down the field in the last 1:30 and score the tying TD only to let Green Bay roll right down into field goal range in the last minute?

 >:(

It sucks. Manning is having an unbelievable year. But he's got no defense.

If the G-man had  some defense (and  healthy offensive players), Manning would be spoken about this season with the same breath as Brees, Brady and Rogers. The fact that he's getting results with a nothing team is pretty amazing.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on December 05, 2011, 11:56:22 AM
Coughlin is a good coach IMO.
We are just too banged up and need some help.
What I don't understand is why we aren't signing people off waivers or free agency.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 05, 2011, 12:13:38 PM
Coughlin is a good coach IMO.


I think he is too, but I think barring a crazy turn of events and Superbowl win, he won't be back next year.
This or next year is his last contract year right?
He's 66, and the oldest coach in the NFL by about 6+ years, so a new contract wouldn't be smart.

I think he's been good for the team, but it is interesting that upon taking the job, he criticized Jim Fassel for the plague of injuries the Giants had, thinking the coach plays a part in how many injuries a team experiences.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 05, 2011, 12:15:45 PM
Coughlin is a good coach IMO.


I think he is too, but I think barring a crazy turn of events and Superbowl win, he won't be back next year.
This or next year is his last contract year right?
He's 66, and the oldest coach in the NFL by about 6+ years, so a new contract wouldn't be smart.

I think he's been good for the team, but it is interesting that upon taking the job, he criticized Jim Fassel for the plague of injuries the Giants had, thinking the coach plays a part in how many injuries a team experiences.

Sure he can.. Injuries from poor conditioning or from promoting a playing style which endangers players or by overusing star players can all be a couch's fault/responsibility.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 05, 2011, 01:05:01 PM
Coughlin is a good coach IMO.


I think he is too, but I think barring a crazy turn of events and Superbowl win, he won't be back next year.
This or next year is his last contract year right?
He's 66, and the oldest coach in the NFL by about 6+ years, so a new contract wouldn't be smart.

I think he's been good for the team, but it is interesting that upon taking the job, he criticized Jim Fassel for the plague of injuries the Giants had, thinking the coach plays a part in how many injuries a team experiences.

Sure he can.. Injuries from poor conditioning or from promoting a playing style which endangers players or by overusing star players can all be a couch's fault/responsibility.


Absolutely--it was just the fact that Coughlin is in situation he damned his predecessor for--it's just a bit ironic.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on December 05, 2011, 01:46:46 PM
Coughlin is a good coach IMO.


I think he is too, but I think barring a crazy turn of events and Superbowl win, he won't be back next year.
This or next year is his last contract year right?
He's 66, and the oldest coach in the NFL by about 6+ years, so a new contract wouldn't be smart.

I think he's been good for the team, but it is interesting that upon taking the job, he criticized Jim Fassel for the plague of injuries the Giants had, thinking the coach plays a part in how many injuries a team experiences.

Sure he can.. Injuries from poor conditioning or from promoting a playing style which endangers players or by overusing star players can all be a couch's fault/responsibility.


Absolutely--it was just the fact that Coughlin is in situation he damned his predecessor for--it's just a bit ironic.

Why do I feel like we are talking about Obama here?  :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 06, 2011, 06:08:32 AM
Coughlin is a good coach IMO.


I think he is too, but I think barring a crazy turn of events and Superbowl win, he won't be back next year.
This or next year is his last contract year right?
He's 66, and the oldest coach in the NFL by about 6+ years, so a new contract wouldn't be smart.

I think he's been good for the team, but it is interesting that upon taking the job, he criticized Jim Fassel for the plague of injuries the Giants had, thinking the coach plays a part in how many injuries a team experiences.

Sure he can.. Injuries from poor conditioning or from promoting a playing style which endangers players or by overusing star players can all be a couch's fault/responsibility.


Absolutely--it was just the fact that Coughlin is in situation he damned his predecessor for--it's just a bit ironic.

Why do I feel like we are talking about Obama here?  :P

That's racist, bro.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on December 06, 2011, 03:58:51 PM
Coughlin's a very good coach--a bit high-strung, but very good. (BTW he is signed thru next season.) The Giants' problems this season are on defense, where they've been banged up all year. Injuries happen to every team, every year. And I thought they did well to hang with the Packers as long as they did.

The Cowboys are another matter. Icing your own kicker like that to lose to the Cardinals? No excuse.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 06, 2011, 04:31:52 PM
Coughlin's a very good coach--a bit high-strung, but very good. (BTW he is signed thru next season.) The Giants' problems this season are on defense, where they've been banged up all year. Injuries happen to every team, every year. And I thought they did well to hang with the Packers as long as they did.

The Cowboys are another matter. Icing your own kicker like that to lose to the Cardinals? No excuse.

I had no favourite in that game so I was just like wow!  That Timeout was the worst play I have seen in a very long time.  Followed up by a spectacular TD.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on December 06, 2011, 07:45:38 PM
Coughlin's a very good coach--a bit high-strung, but very good. (BTW he is signed thru next season.) The Giants' problems this season are on defense, where they've been banged up all year. Injuries happen to every team, every year. And I thought they did well to hang with the Packers as long as they did.

The Cowboys are another matter. Icing your own kicker like that to lose to the Cardinals? No excuse.

I had no favourite in that game so I was just like wow!  That Timeout was the worst play I have seen in a very long time.  Followed up by a spectacular TD.

He called the timeout because an assistant told him there was something wrong with the special teams formation and he didn't want to pick up a penalty.  Which would have taken out of the kicker's comfort zone.  It was a call EVERY coach in the NFL would make.  Now for the matter of not running a play prior to pick up a few more yards when you have two time outs in your pocket.  That is a different story.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on December 07, 2011, 01:53:11 AM
He called the timeout because an assistant told him there was something wrong with the special teams formation and he didn't want to pick up a penalty.  Which would have taken out of the kicker's comfort zone.  It was a call EVERY coach in the NFL would make.  Now for the matter of not running a play prior to pick up a few more yards when you have two time outs in your pocket.  That is a different story.

That is very plausible... but what are the chances that's a coverup story for assuming he'd miss it, and trying to give him a "practice kick?" Granted, Bailey's been money... but still.

/angry Cowboys fan
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 07, 2011, 09:03:59 AM
The timeout was just the icing on the cake.
It was the whole series of bad calls up to and including the timeout that was total FAIL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on December 08, 2011, 12:02:08 AM
Bottom line, Garrett had 2 TOs with almost half a minute left--plenty o' time to kill the clock once, or spike the ball and run another play or two to shorten the FG a little. Then call the second TO to set your FG alignment, which should be automatic anyway by week 13 of the season...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on December 08, 2011, 12:06:20 AM
Bottom line, Garrett had 2 TOs with almost half a minute left--plenty o' time to kill the clock once, or spike the ball and run another play or two to shorten the FG a little. Then call the second TO to set your FG alignment, which should be automatic anyway by week 13 of the season...

Yeah, his signal calling was completely baffling. WTF.

In other news, I'm totally boned in my fantasy league. Entering playoffs as the #2 seed, but I really could use Matt Forte, who's gone for at least 2 weeks. Starting in his place? Ricky Williams, hoping to poach some short TD's from Rice. Bah.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 08, 2011, 05:34:40 AM
Oh good, ESPN has Don Shula and Mercury Morris on now to talk shit about the Packers. I was wondering how long that would take. Hey, you guys won 13 games in a row in one regular season, something that the Colts and Patriots and Saints and Packers do every few years. And lest we forget, this was back when the AFC was a very weak conference. Congratulations.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 08, 2011, 06:30:46 AM
Oh good, ESPN has Don Shula and Mercury Morris on now to talk shit about the Packers. I was wondering how long that would take. Hey, you guys won 13 games in a row in one regular season, something that the Colts and Patriots and Saints and Packers do every few years. And lest we forget, this was back when the AFC was a very weak conference. Congratulations.

Isn't this simply ESPN's Christmas programming these days?

Each year, roll the surviving members of the '72 Dolphins to talk about how whatever undefeated team is left stinks and can't hold a candle to the old Dolphins?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 08, 2011, 06:38:50 AM
Yeah. As much as I'd hate for the Patriots to make it to the Super Bowl and then lose to the Packers, I'd really like it if the Packers won the Super Bowl even if it was against the Patriots so that the '72 Dolphins would just shut the fuck up. Then in 30 years I can complain about ESPN digging up the steroid-destroyed husk of Clay Matthews, Jr. to talk smack about the Oklahoma City Buffaloes franchise going 18-0 in the regular season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 08, 2011, 06:53:24 AM
Yeah. As much as I'd hate for the Patriots to make it to the Super Bowl and then lose to the Packers, I'd really like it if the Packers won the Super Bowl even if it was against the Patriots so that the '72 Dolphins would just shut the fuck up. Then in 30 years I can complain about ESPN digging up the steroid-destroyed husk of Clay Matthews, Jr. to talk smack about the Oklahoma City Buffaloes franchise going 18-0 in the regular season.

Agreed.  The Pats are going nowhere with their Wallmart Defense; so I am rooting for the Packers to win it all undefeated. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 08, 2011, 06:54:47 AM
If it were any other team but the Packers, I'd agree.

Correction, I wouldn't want it to be the Bears either....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 08, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
Yeah. As much as I'd hate for the Patriots to make it to the Super Bowl and then lose to the Packers, I'd really like it if the Packers won the Super Bowl even if it was against the Patriots so that the '72 Dolphins would just shut the fuck up. Then in 30 years I can complain about ESPN digging up the steroid-destroyed husk of Clay Matthews, Jr. to talk smack about the Oklahoma City Buffaloes franchise going 18-0 in the regular season.

Agreed.  The Pats are going nowhere with their Wallmart Defense; so I am rooting for the Packers to win it all undefeated.

I dunno dude.. they'll be the #1 seed in the AFC and would face either the 5 or 6 seed from the Wildcard round or the Broncos or Texans (should they beat their wildcard opponents), and at this point it's highly unlikely that any wildcard team will be called the NY Jets..
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 08, 2011, 09:04:57 AM
Yeah. As much as I'd hate for the Patriots to make it to the Super Bowl and then lose to the Packers, I'd really like it if the Packers won the Super Bowl even if it was against the Patriots so that the '72 Dolphins would just shut the fuck up. Then in 30 years I can complain about ESPN digging up the steroid-destroyed husk of Clay Matthews, Jr. to talk smack about the Oklahoma City Buffaloes franchise going 18-0 in the regular season.

Agreed.  The Pats are going nowhere with their Wallmart Defense; so I am rooting for the Packers to win it all undefeated.

I dunno dude.. they'll be the #1 seed in the AFC and would face either the 5 or 6 seed from the Wildcard round or the Broncos or Texans (should they beat their wildcard opponents), and at this point it's highly unlikely that any wildcard team will be called the NY Jets..

THe problem is, if Teblow beats us, I may never watch Football again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 08, 2011, 09:05:54 AM
Yeah. As much as I'd hate for the Patriots to make it to the Super Bowl and then lose to the Packers, I'd really like it if the Packers won the Super Bowl even if it was against the Patriots so that the '72 Dolphins would just shut the fuck up. Then in 30 years I can complain about ESPN digging up the steroid-destroyed husk of Clay Matthews, Jr. to talk smack about the Oklahoma City Buffaloes franchise going 18-0 in the regular season.

Agreed.  The Pats are going nowhere with their Wallmart Defense; so I am rooting for the Packers to win it all undefeated.

I dunno dude.. they'll be the #1 seed in the AFC and would face either the 5 or 6 seed from the Wildcard round or the Broncos or Texans (should they beat their wildcard opponents), and at this point it's highly unlikely that any wildcard team will be called the NY Jets..

THe problem is, if Teblow beats us, I may never watch Football again.

Yeah, this Sunday is going to be damned interesting.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 08, 2011, 09:09:22 AM
Yeah. As much as I'd hate for the Patriots to make it to the Super Bowl and then lose to the Packers, I'd really like it if the Packers won the Super Bowl even if it was against the Patriots so that the '72 Dolphins would just shut the fuck up. Then in 30 years I can complain about ESPN digging up the steroid-destroyed husk of Clay Matthews, Jr. to talk smack about the Oklahoma City Buffaloes franchise going 18-0 in the regular season.

Agreed.  The Pats are going nowhere with their Wallmart Defense; so I am rooting for the Packers to win it all undefeated.

I dunno dude.. they'll be the #1 seed in the AFC and would face either the 5 or 6 seed from the Wildcard round or the Broncos or Texans (should they beat their wildcard opponents), and at this point it's highly unlikely that any wildcard team will be called the NY Jets..

THe problem is, if Teblow beats us, I may never watch Football again.

Yeah, this Sunday is going to be damned interesting.

I want to see Mayo bury the over hyped tool.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 08, 2011, 09:11:32 AM
I want him to get repeatedly picked off by Matthew Slater and Julian Edelman.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 08, 2011, 10:53:10 AM
Tebow is gonna be tough to beat considering he has the Lord on his side. You just can't sack a guy who has Jesus tripping the defenders.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 08, 2011, 12:19:37 PM
Tebow is gonna be tough to beat considering he has the Lord on his side. You just can't sack a guy who has Jesus tripping the defenders.

The only real reason I want the Patriots to win is so that we can gauge the insanity of the nutso-religious fans who never watched football until they found out that the Messiah had donned a Broncos uniform.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 08, 2011, 12:37:45 PM
Tebow is gonna be tough to beat considering he has the Lord on his side. You just can't sack a guy who has Jesus tripping the defenders.

The only real reason I want the Patriots to win is so that we can gauge the insanity of the nutso-religious fans who never watched football until they found out that the Messiah had donned a Broncos uniform.

Rodney Harrison needs to suit up one more time!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 09, 2011, 09:56:45 AM
Tebow is gonna be tough to beat considering he has the Lord on his side. You just can't sack a guy who has Jesus tripping the defenders.

The only real reason I want the Patriots to win is so that we can gauge the insanity of the nutso-religious fans who never watched football until they found out that the Messiah had donned a Broncos uniform.

Rodney Harrison needs to suit up one more time!

^^

You're Darksided!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 09, 2011, 10:03:36 AM
Tebow is gonna be tough to beat considering he has the Lord on his side. You just can't sack a guy who has Jesus tripping the defenders.

The only real reason I want the Patriots to win is so that we can gauge the insanity of the nutso-religious fans who never watched football until they found out that the Messiah had donned a Broncos uniform.

Rodney Harrison needs to suit up one more time!

And Ty Law.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 09, 2011, 10:21:12 AM
Tebow is gonna be tough to beat considering he has the Lord on his side. You just can't sack a guy who has Jesus tripping the defenders.

The only real reason I want the Patriots to win is so that we can gauge the insanity of the nutso-religious fans who never watched football until they found out that the Messiah had donned a Broncos uniform.

Rodney Harrison needs to suit up one more time!

And Ty Law.

Asante Samuel.  Bring Teddy back for a game too.  I am sure Shields MRI can't be paying him that well.  ;D

How about we just slap Bill around for the Wallmart defense he has left the Pats with?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 09, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
FWIW, Belichick won 3 Super Bowls with a Wal-Mart defense and a K-Mart receiving corps. Ty Law was not that good, nor was Lawyer Milloy. Tedy Bruschi was above average, but in any other system he would probably be a nobody. Same goes for that guy they traded to KC with Matt Cassel. Asante Samuel is a legitimately awesome CB, and I'm still sort of stunned that they didn't try and keep him, but the Patriots aren't going to blow huge money on players.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 10, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
In case it wasn't obvious why so many people hate Tebow, and ESPN

http://deadspin.com/5866144/every-tebow-uttered-on-espns-tebowcenter-today (http://deadspin.com/5866144/every-tebow-uttered-on-espns-tebowcenter-today)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 10, 2011, 12:58:59 PM
Lawyer Millow isn't a HOFer but he wasn't that bad of a player. I guess the worst that can be said about him is that he was smarter than he was athletic.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 11, 2011, 11:44:50 AM
Lawyer Millow isn't a HOFer but he wasn't that bad of a player. I guess the worst that can be said about him is that he was smarter than he was athletic.

Yeah, but my point was that a lot of players who excel in the Patriots defense virtually disappear when they get traded to other teams or sign huge FA contracts. Samuel is an exception.. but he spent like an entire season on IR so I don't really regret not having him. That, and he totally FUCKING BLEW THE COVERAGE ON THE GIANTS' WINNING TD IN THE SUPER BOWL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 11, 2011, 02:44:13 PM
Lawyer was very solid for the Seahawks last year. The D as a whole wasn't that good, especially against the run, but he was very steady and did a hell of a job showing Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor the ropes.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 11, 2011, 04:12:11 PM
Orlovsky is russian for backdoor cover.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 11, 2011, 07:03:44 PM
Maybe there is a God? 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 11, 2011, 07:40:57 PM
Maybe there is a God?

If there is he hates the fuck out of Marion Barber
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 12, 2011, 05:29:28 AM
Tebow wins another ugly game in the 4th quarter. Next week is going to be really interesting.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 12, 2011, 08:24:52 AM
Tebow wins another ugly game in the 4th quarter. Next week is going to be really interesting.

Considering the Pats 4th Qtr's vs. Denver's yeah the Pats best be up 27-3 at least.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 12, 2011, 09:28:22 AM
Tebow wins another ugly game in the 4th quarter. Next week is going to be really interesting.

Considering the Pats 4th Qtr's vs. Denver's yeah the Pats best be up 27-3 at least.

Here's the thing.. Washington may not be world-beaters but they still have an offense. They have a receiving corps which could be considered on par with the Patriots, and a RB who is way better than anything we've got. I don't think you can project next week's defensive performance based on this week's. Denver can only win if they limit their opponents to under 20 points.. only the Steelers have managed that against the Patriots this year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 12, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
I never could figure out the Redskins.

For the last decade or so they've been great on paper, and shit on grass.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on December 12, 2011, 11:30:59 AM
I never could figure out the Redskins.

For the last decade or so they've been great on paper, and shit on grass.

I don't understand how the Patriots allowed so many points by the Redskins.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 12, 2011, 12:05:31 PM
I never could figure out the Redskins.

For the last decade or so they've been great on paper, and shit on grass.

I don't understand how the Patriots allowed so many points by the Redskins.

Their D is pretty terrible.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 12, 2011, 12:13:29 PM
I never could figure out the Redskins.

For the last decade or so they've been great on paper, and shit on grass.

Because unlike baseball you can't just buy a team of free agents and win on individual statistics alone.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on December 13, 2011, 09:43:44 PM
Tebow wins another ugly game in the 4th quarter. Next week is going to be really interesting.

Considering the Pats 4th Qtr's vs. Denver's yeah the Pats best be up 27-3 at least.

Here's the thing.. Washington may not be world-beaters but they still have an offense. They have a receiving corps which could be considered on par with the Patriots, and a RB who is way better than anything we've got. I don't think you can project next week's defensive performance based on this week's. Denver can only win if they limit their opponents to under 20 points.. only the Steelers have managed that against the Patriots this year.

The Redskins offense was shut out by the Bills. Their starting TE and LT are suspended for the rest of the season, their RBs are both rookies. The QB is Rex Grossman. The Redskins have been completely inept all year, yet still moved the ball at will last Sunday.

The Patriots D will make Tebow look like Joe Fucking Montana, they're just that horrible.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 14, 2011, 05:42:06 AM
I'm not really arguing the point because I'm not at all enamored with this defense, but at least Rex Grossman can throw an NFL pass. I really don't think even our atrocious secondary will look as bad against Tebow.

The other thing is, there's no fucking way that the game will be 10-0 or whatever. It will probably be 10-0 at some point in the second quarter, but if the Patriots aren't up by at least two scores at halftime I will eat shit and die.

Speaking of, the host of a local sports talk radio show has bet his co-hosts that if the Patriots lose he will eat an entire bowl of the East Coast Grille's infamous "Hell Pasta", a dish which the guy from the Travel Channel's Man vs. Food couldn't finish.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 14, 2011, 06:23:14 AM
And also, Ben-Jarvus Green-Ellis isn't going to run out of bounds and kill the clock. If there's one thing that the Patriots are good at even now, it's situational football.

AND HOLY FUCK ESPN IS LOSING THEIR MINDS RIGHT NOW.

They've got the singer of that awful god-rock band The Fray hosting ball-washing Tim Tebow segments on Sportscenter now. I swear to god ESPN has probably chrome-plated Tebow's junk at this point with all of the sucking and rubbing they've been doing.

You can probably blame Belichick for this whole situation by the way.. before the draft he took Tebow out to dinner in Boston, and that's probably what lead Josh McDaniels to draft Tebow in the first round (because McDaniels was trying to be BB 2.0). I bet if Belichick didn't take him out for dinner then McDaniels doesn't draft him in the first round and some other team drafts him in the 4th round (where he was projected to go) and Tebow never breaks into the starting line-up.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on December 14, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Well I don't have much hope for the G-men for this season.
Somehow we will squeak our way into the playoffs and lose in the first round.
Too many injuries.

But I just FUCKIN LOVE IT when they beat the Cowboys...in Dallas!*

 :laugh:

*This also goes for Philly but we keep losing to them
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 14, 2011, 11:09:54 AM
Well, it's worked out splendidly for Josh McDaniels (speaking of guys who have not been fired yet)!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 14, 2011, 11:51:44 AM
Felt good to see a guy in a Colts sweatshirt today and feel pity for him as a Lions fan....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 18, 2011, 02:40:23 PM
TT* -1h 20m

*Tebow Time
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 18, 2011, 05:20:35 PM
1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13! 1-13!  WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


Also this Pats D is horrendous. I'm embarrassed for them and I've watched every game of a team that started 0-13.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 18, 2011, 07:15:50 PM
I have some respect for Tebow now.  A very nice gesture on the Carter injury and he has learned to pass. 

Still lost though. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jack R. on December 18, 2011, 07:33:37 PM
What the hell redskins???  You've been breaking my heart since October, and now you decide to wake up and play football?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 18, 2011, 09:43:56 PM
I have some respect for Tebow now.  A very nice gesture on the Carter injury and he has learned to pass. 

Still lost though.
Yeah, I thought he looked pretty good too, not just as an option quarterback but as a future Michael Vick type. He can create a lot of time with his feet, is dangerous enough on the ground that opponents can't just run at him without worrying about contain, and his accuracy today on the deep ball was good enough to make me think guys could be afraid of it in the future, too. Much better than, for instance, Chad Hanie.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 18, 2011, 10:03:05 PM
He does have to learn to not give up 28 yard sacks. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: smithkhome on December 18, 2011, 11:46:47 PM
Felt good to see a guy in a Colts sweatshirt today and feel pity for him as a Lions fan....

+1

The surviving players from the 2008 0-16 Lions team popped the corks on their champaign after the Colts won today...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 19, 2011, 05:29:20 AM
So for two non-consecutive quarters the Pats D looked disgusting, and for two other non-consecutive quarters they looked nasty.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 19, 2011, 08:12:21 AM
Andre Carter is out for the season, he needs Quad surgery.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 19, 2011, 09:25:18 AM
Andre Carter is out for the season, he needs Quad surgery.

Yeah.. sigh. The Patriots finally get a pass rusher (we can argue over whether or not he was just getting the benefit of weak opponents as has been argued by the Boston Globe, but nevertheless..) and he gets injured against the damn Broncos.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 19, 2011, 12:24:29 PM
You know what I saw on ESPN this morning which totally blew my mind?

Totally rational analysis of Tim Tebow. Linda Cohn even noted that the last few teams the Broncos played against had a combined winning percentage under .500.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 19, 2011, 02:49:05 PM
He does have to learn to not give up 28 yard sacks.
Meh. Flutie did that crap all the time, and in the situation a 28 yard loss wasn't really any worse than any other result. New England just did a great job of keeping contain on him even after he eluded his first tackler. Like 5 plays earlier he turned a similar situation into a rushing first down.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 19, 2011, 03:20:59 PM
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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 19, 2011, 03:48:33 PM
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Least it wasn't a 29 yard loss. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 19, 2011, 04:06:49 PM
I was rooting for the Pats, at least Brady is actually good enough to deserve some of ESPN's hype.   Of course I can't help but love seeing him get leveled anyway.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on December 19, 2011, 04:54:09 PM
I was rooting for the Pats, at least Brady is actually good enough to deserve some of ESPN's hype.   Of course I can't help but love seeing him get leveled anyway.
+1

I can't like a guy that's just that pretty.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on December 19, 2011, 11:04:35 PM
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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on December 20, 2011, 12:11:01 AM
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I give him credit for not fumbling. He got slammed there. I shocked the ball didn't come loose.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on December 20, 2011, 07:27:35 AM
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I give him credit for not fumbling. He got slammed there. I shocked the ball didn't come loose.

I'm pretty much always surprised a QB can hold the ball when then get hit that hard. The lions game (which I sadly slept through the end) had a good similar play. The QB got hit HARD and even the announcers were surprised he had the ball the whole time.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 20, 2011, 09:02:14 AM
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That's low, man. Sure, Brady popped right up, but I wouldn't be gloating over a hit like that on your man Peyton.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 20, 2011, 09:19:33 AM
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That's low, man. Sure, Brady popped right up, but I wouldn't be gloating over a hit like that on your man Peyton.

Even after you knew he was ok? 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 20, 2011, 09:38:09 AM
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That's low, man. Sure, Brady popped right up, but I wouldn't be gloating over a hit like that on your man Peyton.

Even after you knew he was ok?

Depends on how "OK" he really is. He popped right back up, but for all we know he could have cracked ribs that they aren't putting on the injury report or something.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 20, 2011, 09:53:53 AM
Sometimes "Hurt vs Injured" is used as an excuse by dirty players, but I think it's a good distinction for the line between schadenfreude and being a terrible person is.


ETA: Like the Bob Sanders quote (which explained a lot about what was about to happen to his career):
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I always thought that if I didn't feel it, the other person was hurting more. But I've realized over time that if I hit somebody and it hurts me, it hurts them even more.

Basically, a clean player doesn't want to put his opponent on the sideline, he wants them on the field, scared shitless of being hit again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 20, 2011, 09:59:20 AM
Brady doing the Gronkspike scared me more than that hit.  He coulda thrown out his shoulder.  ;D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 20, 2011, 01:28:00 PM
LOL, I kinda thought they were kidding. They aren't.

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Tom Brady spent $11 million on his new Calif home. Meanwhile Colts QB Dan Orlovsky sleeps on Donald Brown's couch. http://t.co/AdkbwDhN (http://t.co/AdkbwDhN)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 20, 2011, 01:46:07 PM
Considering how well Orlovski has done he should at least be given a Studio Apartment.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 20, 2011, 02:52:46 PM
Considering how well Orlovski has done he should at least be given a Studio Apartment.

It's probably a pretty nice couch tho. Don’s about 10mil into a 5 year, 11.3mil contract.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on December 20, 2011, 02:58:59 PM
Considering how well Orlovski has done he should at least be given a Studio Apartment.

It's probably a pretty nice couch tho. Don’s about 10mil into a 5 year, 11.3mil contract.

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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 20, 2011, 04:07:44 PM
Also, they both went to UConn.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 20, 2011, 04:37:42 PM
Also, they both went to UConn.

Yeah, that's the reason they gave. Even tho they were never on the team at the same time Brown was happy to help out a fellow alum.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 21, 2011, 07:38:50 AM
Is it weird that a guy with two consecutive 10+ million dollar contracts doesn't have his own place, or at least a suite in a hotel?  I've been to Indianapolis.  He could probably afford an entire floor at the Canterbury...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 21, 2011, 08:46:52 AM
Is it weird that a guy with two consecutive 10+ million dollar contracts doesn't have his own place, or at least a suite in a hotel?  I've been to Indianapolis.  He could probably afford an entire floor at the Canterbury...

Yeah, but he's a journeyman, he probably is making the completely rational assessment that it makes no sense to put down any sort of roots since he's likely gone next year, and I'm sure he's probably factoring in the fact that his $10m contract has to last him and his family for the rest of his life since the career of a journeyman NFL player is short and uncertain.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 21, 2011, 08:48:15 AM
This is a must-read, IMO. Charlie Pierce knocks it out of the park.

Tim Tebow's Religion: Fair Game (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7369021/fair-game)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 21, 2011, 08:50:45 AM
Is it weird that a guy with two consecutive 10+ million dollar contracts doesn't have his own place, or at least a suite in a hotel?  I've been to Indianapolis.  He could probably afford an entire floor at the Canterbury...

Yeah, but he's a journeyman, he probably is making the completely rational assessment that it makes no sense to put down any sort of roots since he's likely gone next year, and I'm sure he's probably factoring in the fact that his $10m contract has to last him and his family for the rest of his life since the career of a journeyman NFL player is short and uncertain.

I suppose.

Seeing as 10 million x 2 is more money than I'll see in several lifetimes, I think I might be able to swing a nice garden level place or something....

Ah well, it's probably fun living with teammates....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 21, 2011, 08:56:12 AM
Is it weird that a guy with two consecutive 10+ million dollar contracts doesn't have his own place, or at least a suite in a hotel?  I've been to Indianapolis.  He could probably afford an entire floor at the Canterbury...

Yeah, but he's a journeyman, he probably is making the completely rational assessment that it makes no sense to put down any sort of roots since he's likely gone next year, and I'm sure he's probably factoring in the fact that his $10m contract has to last him and his family for the rest of his life since the career of a journeyman NFL player is short and uncertain.

I suppose.

Seeing as 10 million x 2 is more money than I'll see in several lifetimes, I think I might be able to swing a nice garden level place or something....

Ah well, it's probably fun living with teammates....

Well, there's the old trope that the player only ever gets to see half of the money. 15% goes to the agent and lawyer and accountant, and another 35% (at least) goes to pay income taxes. Then there's union dues. Then the dude has a house, probably two cars, private school tuition for his kids (I'm assuming he has kids), and if he's not a total doofus he's also planning for his future and socking away a ton of that money in a 401k.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on December 21, 2011, 11:21:15 AM
This is a must-read, IMO. Charlie Pierce knocks it out of the park.

Tim Tebow's Religion: Fair Game (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7369021/fair-game)

Agreed, that was fantastic
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 23, 2011, 10:20:37 AM
I am a huge Vikings and Rams fan the rest of the way. If both of them win at least one of their last two, the Colts get the #1 pick even if they win week 17 since they have the SOS tiebreaker locked up.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 24, 2011, 12:19:43 PM
I never could figure out the obsession with picking a #1 QB.....

I suppose every now and then you get a Payton Manning....but mostly they're just Joey Harrington.....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 24, 2011, 01:42:19 PM
I never could figure out the obsession with picking a #1 QB.....

I suppose every now and then you get a Payton Manning....but mostly they're just Joey Harrington.....

I don't want Luck if Peyton can return, which looks very likely now*, but it's a fantastic trade piece.

*he's working out with teammates every day after practice, bones have fused fully, nerve issue seems to be fixed, just needs to get his conditioning back to be 100%
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on December 24, 2011, 02:36:39 PM
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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: smithkhome on December 24, 2011, 07:59:12 PM
I never could figure out the obsession with picking a #1 QB.....

I suppose every now and then you get a Payton Manning....but mostly they're just Joey Harrington.....

But Joey played a mean piano!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 25, 2011, 07:29:46 PM
Jerome Simpson's jump.....

So ridiculous, I would thought it was fake, if I hadn't been watching the game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on December 27, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
Sorry --Slightly off topic

My boyfriend and I just got a house - and our house warming will be the day of the Superbowl. We hosted last year, but it was really small event due to our apartment size.  The superbowl is kind of our "thing" because it was a superbowl party that brought us together in college. (That and the Jack and cokes)

Does anyone have fun games for such an event. The only one we played last time, was where everyone picked a team and when your team scored a TD you got 2 cards (deck of 52) and if you got a 3pt fieldgoal you got 1 card - you could have a max of 5 cards at any time. At the end of the game, best poker hand got the pot (to play you put money in) So the higher the score the better your chances for cards.

Another I was thinking was getting Superbowl shotglasses and each quarter having everyone guess the end of quarter score, closest with out going over wins the shot glass (or other themed prize, gift card to local breweries, ect)


Super bowl squares are cool, but I feel like you need a decent amount of people to make it worth it.


Thoughts?

<3Katherine
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on December 27, 2011, 02:46:34 PM
The only Super Bowl party games I know are "Drink 'til you puke" and "Eat 'til you puke".
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on December 27, 2011, 05:40:51 PM
There is also "pick a team to hate and hate on them the whole game".
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on December 27, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
That only works for me if the Packers or Bears are in....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on December 28, 2011, 05:07:38 PM
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If that didn't work - http://i.imgur.com/awCdr.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/awCdr.jpg)


That's my Detroit :-P

<3Katherine
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on December 30, 2011, 11:27:01 AM
Sorry --Slightly off topic

My boyfriend and I just got a house - and our house warming will be the day of the Superbowl. We hosted last year, but it was really small event due to our apartment size.  The superbowl is kind of our "thing" because it was a superbowl party that brought us together in college. (That and the Jack and cokes)

Does anyone have fun games for such an event. The only one we played last time, was where everyone picked a team and when your team scored a TD you got 2 cards (deck of 52) and if you got a 3pt fieldgoal you got 1 card - you could have a max of 5 cards at any time. At the end of the game, best poker hand got the pot (to play you put money in) So the higher the score the better your chances for cards.

Another I was thinking was getting Superbowl shotglasses and each quarter having everyone guess the end of quarter score, closest with out going over wins the shot glass (or other themed prize, gift card to local breweries, ect)


Super bowl squares are cool, but I feel like you need a decent amount of people to make it worth it.


Thoughts?

<3Katherine

Beer shots at every beer commercial.  Pick five guys that have nothing to do with the super bowl (e.g. Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, etc...) and do hard shots.  Spice it up in the forth quarter...a prize for the best "live" Go Daddy ad.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on December 30, 2011, 11:31:20 AM


Beer shots at every beer commercial.  Pick five guys that have nothing to do with the super bowl (e.g. Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, etc...) and do hard shots.  Spice it up in the forth quarter...a prize for the best "live" Go Daddy ad.
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OOh! I like the live Go Daddy ad - I'll see how my sorority sisters feel about this in a room with my BF's nerdy engineering friends  bwahahaha.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 01, 2012, 05:35:12 PM
#1 seed.

Again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 01, 2012, 06:27:09 PM
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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 01, 2012, 06:57:00 PM

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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 01, 2012, 09:35:48 PM

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49 unanswered points. 49.

I am convinced the Pats gave the Bills 21 pts just to demoralize their competition. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 02, 2012, 02:24:00 AM

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49 unanswered points. 49.

I am convinced the Pats gave the Bills 21 pts just to demoralize their competition.

See that's what confuses me... their defense has been terrible all year, and they've been winning on overwhelming offensive force.. yet, to hold a team for 3 quarters while you score 5 TDs... it's puzzling.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 02, 2012, 06:37:00 AM

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49 unanswered points. 49.

I am convinced the Pats gave the Bills 21 pts just to demoralize their competition.

See that's what confuses me... their defense has been terrible all year, and they've been winning on overwhelming offensive force.. yet, to hold a team for 3 quarters while you score 5 TDs... it's puzzling.


See.. it was against the Bills. I wouldn't read much into it. The Bills sans Stevie Johnson, FWIW. But.. picking off Fitzpatrick 5 times (if you count the pick that was later called back).. That was pretty good.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 02, 2012, 08:54:01 AM
The Pats D is not as bad as it's ranked.  It still is poor and Billichick should be blamed for that.  We are excellent at turnovers though, which always seems to be how our defense works.  Yeah the other team gets a lot of yards, but are not allowed to score. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 02, 2012, 09:18:55 AM
The Pats D is not as bad as it's ranked.  It still is poor and Billichick should be blamed for that.  We are excellent at turnovers though, which always seems to be how our defense works.  Yeah the other team gets a lot of yards, but are not allowed to score.

I think that it's about 50% a defensive theory (i.e. give up a lot of yards but don't let the opponents score) and 50% shitty players/shitty coaching/whatever else.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 02, 2012, 10:24:18 AM
and the Colts are on the clock. Time for 4 months of arguments about whether to take or trade Andrew Luck. Oh joy.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 02, 2012, 10:40:07 AM
I say trade. I think Peyton still has some tread on his tires and you could probably get two or maybe even three 1st round picks for Luck.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 02, 2012, 11:04:20 AM
I say trade. I think Peyton still has some tread on his tires and you could probably get two or maybe even three 1st round picks for Luck.

If Peyton is healthy and planning to play 2+ more years I think you trade. You can't get rid of a healthy MVP caliber QB to make room for a prospect, and you can't use the most valuable resource for improving your team you've had in over a decade on a guy who won't play until your HOF QB is gone. If Peyton can play you load up for a couple runs with him. At most I'd use the 33 on Tannehilll (who might not last anywhere near that long) as a developmental guy.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 02, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
The Pats D is not as bad as it's ranked.  It still is poor and Billichick should be blamed for that.  We are excellent at turnovers though, which always seems to be how our defense works.  Yeah the other team gets a lot of yards, but are not allowed to score.

I think that it's about 50% a defensive theory (i.e. give up a lot of yards but don't let the opponents score) and 50% shitty players/shitty coaching/whatever else.

One thing you can say is their D is great in the red zone.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 02, 2012, 12:30:07 PM
The Pats D is not as bad as it's ranked.  It still is poor and Billichick should be blamed for that.  We are excellent at turnovers though, which always seems to be how our defense works.  Yeah the other team gets a lot of yards, but are not allowed to score.

I think that it's about 50% a defensive theory (i.e. give up a lot of yards but don't let the opponents score) and 50% shitty players/shitty coaching/whatever else.

One thing you can say is their D is great in the red zone.

Which is why I think it's a defensive theory, at least in part.

The two #1 seeds are ranked 31st and 32nd defensively, so.. maybe defense doesn't matter as much. This is becoming a bit more of a "video game" league, and defense matters less and less.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 02, 2012, 12:42:01 PM
Giants might do better than expected in playoffs.

The injuries they were plagued with early on is mostly gone now.
Not sure if the victory last night was due to a great game by the Giants of a poor game by Cowboys.

For the Jets, I don't dislike Sanchez, but he showed he isn't the player the Jets fans kept claiming he is.
The sad part is he's pretty much the only player on the team with any class. I love watching Ryan lose.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 02, 2012, 04:02:55 PM
The Pats D is not as bad as it's ranked.  It still is poor and Billichick should be blamed for that.  We are excellent at turnovers though, which always seems to be how our defense works.  Yeah the other team gets a lot of yards, but are not allowed to score.

I think that it's about 50% a defensive theory (i.e. give up a lot of yards but don't let the opponents score) and 50% shitty players/shitty coaching/whatever else.

One thing you can say is their D is great in the red zone.

Which is why I think it's a defensive theory, at least in part.

The two #1 seeds are ranked 31st and 32nd defensively, so.. maybe defense doesn't matter as much. This is becoming a bit more of a "video game" league, and defense matters less and less.

I think I'm also telling myself a negative story to psychologically guard against another early playoff loss, as has been the trend since 2008... but at least they CAN'T lose in Round 1 this year. :-D
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 02, 2012, 04:08:36 PM
Colts fire Vice Chairman Bill Polian and GM Chris Polian. Caldwell almost certainly out as well.

I'm surprised. The two most commonly cited explanations are that the Polians are assholes who anyone they don't think are as smart as them (by all accounts true), or that they wanted to go a different direction with Manning/#1 pick than Irsay did.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 02, 2012, 04:47:02 PM
Colts fire Vice Chairman Bill Polian and GM Chris Polian. Caldwell almost certainly out as well.

I'm surprised. The two most commonly cited explanations are that the Polians are assholes who anyone they don't think are as smart as them (by all accounts true), or that they wanted to go a different direction with Manning/#1 pick than Irsay did.

Hmm.. that's unexpected.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 02, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
I say trade. I think Peyton still has some tread on his tires and you could probably get two or maybe even three 1st round picks for Luck.

If Peyton is healthy and planning to play 2+ more years I think you trade. You can't get rid of a healthy MVP caliber QB to make room for a prospect, and you can't use the most valuable resource for improving your team you've had in over a decade on a guy who won't play until your HOF QB is gone. If Peyton can play you load up for a couple runs with him. At most I'd use the 33 on Tannehilll (who might not last anywhere near that long) as a developmental guy.

Even in his prime, Peyton brought you one trophy, and that was a while ago. The whole team stinks now, the organization is in disarray, and Peyton's past his prime. More to the point, he's had three surgeries -- that we know of -- and with the injury he has, he may never take another snap in a regular-season game. There are no runs to make with the roster you have, with or without Peyton.

Luck is by any measure a can't-miss NFL QB. You have no quarterbacks worth a damn now. Take the sure thing, trade Peyton for whatever you can get and move on.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 02, 2012, 07:48:15 PM
Even in his prime, Peyton brought you one trophy, and that was a while ago.

Unless you'd prefer Dilfer to Marino never evaluate a QB by rings in front of me again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 02, 2012, 11:27:22 PM
Sorry --Slightly off topic

My boyfriend and I just got a house - and our house warming will be the day of the Superbowl. We hosted last year, but it was really small event due to our apartment size.  The superbowl is kind of our "thing" because it was a superbowl party that brought us together in college. (That and the Jack and cokes)

Does anyone have fun games for such an event. The only one we played last time, was where everyone picked a team and when your team scored a TD you got 2 cards (deck of 52) and if you got a 3pt fieldgoal you got 1 card - you could have a max of 5 cards at any time. At the end of the game, best poker hand got the pot (to play you put money in) So the higher the score the better your chances for cards.

Another I was thinking was getting Superbowl shotglasses and each quarter having everyone guess the end of quarter score, closest with out going over wins the shot glass (or other themed prize, gift card to local breweries, ect)


Super bowl squares are cool, but I feel like you need a decent amount of people to make it worth it.


Thoughts?

<3Katherine

If you have enough people, build a grid numbered 0-9 horizontally and vertically on a large piece of paper (poster board is best).
Randomize the numbers like this:

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn106/sksuperkat/gridA.jpg)
Keep the numbers completely random in each row and column.
Have one row colored the home team and one the visitor (like green and purple if GB ends up playing BAL).
Keep the numbers concealed.
If you want to play you would need a 3rd party to randomize the grid.
Then have everyone pitch in $1 for each square they'd like to buy (or more if they have it/are into it - bigger purse).
They put their name on any unpurchased block.
Once all squares have been purchased, unveil the numbers.
When Q1 is over the last digit in each team's score will be the ones you look up on the board.
That player wins $25.
Do the same for the end of each quarter the rest of the game.

If you can manage to gt $5 per block you can make it more interesting by paying out $100 for each of the 1st and 3rd Qs and $150 for halftime and end scores.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 03, 2012, 05:49:02 AM
The Bronco's slip on a banana peel and land in the playoffs, and my damn Lions will score 35 points on New Orleans, and still lose by 20......

No justice in the NFL.

Can you guys help me figure out how all this is the Packers fault?  I really have hated them since as long as I can remember...

I love  this article  (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=At7h34NpTvhgiE1zEtvUUtk5nYcB?slug=ms-silver_morning_rush_nfl_playoffs_broncos_bengals_010212). Players across the NFL offer a variation on: "Denver is in? Fuck me..."  (one player literally says this)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on January 03, 2012, 09:01:55 AM
Sorry --Slightly off topic

My boyfriend and I just got a house - and our house warming will be the day of the Superbowl. We hosted last year, but it was really small event due to our apartment size.  The superbowl is kind of our "thing" because it was a superbowl party that brought us together in college. (That and the Jack and cokes)

Does anyone have fun games for such an event. The only one we played last time, was where everyone picked a team and when your team scored a TD you got 2 cards (deck of 52) and if you got a 3pt fieldgoal you got 1 card - you could have a max of 5 cards at any time. At the end of the game, best poker hand got the pot (to play you put money in) So the higher the score the better your chances for cards.

Another I was thinking was getting Superbowl shotglasses and each quarter having everyone guess the end of quarter score, closest with out going over wins the shot glass (or other themed prize, gift card to local breweries, ect)


Super bowl squares are cool, but I feel like you need a decent amount of people to make it worth it.


Thoughts?

<3Katherine

If you have enough people, build a grid numbered 0-9 horizontally and vertically on a large piece of paper (poster board is best).
Randomize the numbers like this:

(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn106/sksuperkat/gridA.jpg)
Keep the numbers completely random in each row and column.
Have one row colored the home team and one the visitor (like green and purple if GB ends up playing BAL).
Keep the numbers concealed.
If you want to play you would need a 3rd party to randomize the grid.
Then have everyone pitch in $1 for each square they'd like to buy (or more if they have it/are into it - bigger purse).
They put their name on any unpurchased block.
Once all squares have been purchased, unveil the numbers.
When Q1 is over the last digit in each team's score will be the ones you look up on the board.
That player wins $25.
Do the same for the end of each quarter the rest of the game.

If you can manage to gt $5 per block you can make it more interesting by paying out $100 for each of the 1st and 3rd Qs and $150 for halftime and end scores.

We've tried superbowl squares before - but we never seem to get enough people.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 03, 2012, 12:22:36 PM
Sorry --Slightly off topic

My boyfriend and I just got a house - and our house warming will be the day of the Superbowl. We hosted last year, but it was really small event due to our apartment size.  The superbowl is kind of our "thing" because it was a superbowl party that brought us together in college. (That and the Jack and cokes)

Does anyone have fun games for such an event. The only one we played last time, was where everyone picked a team and when your team scored a TD you got 2 cards (deck of 52) and if you got a 3pt fieldgoal you got 1 card - you could have a max of 5 cards at any time. At the end of the game, best poker hand got the pot (to play you put money in) So the higher the score the better your chances for cards.

Another I was thinking was getting Superbowl shotglasses and each quarter having everyone guess the end of quarter score, closest with out going over wins the shot glass (or other themed prize, gift card to local breweries, ect)


Super bowl squares are cool, but I feel like you need a decent amount of people to make it worth it.


Thoughts?

<3Katherine
http://www.docsports.com/super-bowl-party-games.html (http://www.docsports.com/super-bowl-party-games.html)

Also...

Get 1 deck of cards
pull out A-10 and put it in a hat
Everyone puts in $5.00
Everyone picks 1 card from the hat
Whom ever has the card that is the combined score of the last 2 numbers wins the pot.
Repeat every quarter.

Example:
End of first quarter sore is pats 14 - Ny 7
4 + 7 = 11 therefore whomever has the Ace wins.

End oF 2nd quarter score: NE-20 NY-10
0+0=0 whomever holds the 10 wins.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 03, 2012, 12:26:37 PM
Not to be a wet blanket.. but how does this improve things? I never understood drinking or party games.. like, what's the point? Maybe I'm just a misanthrope. I'll go away now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 03, 2012, 12:32:05 PM
Not to be a wet blanket.. but how does this improve things? I never understood drinking or party games.. like, what's the point? Maybe I'm just a misanthrope. I'll go away now.

I think that at least 1/3 of the people at SuperBowl parties don't care about the game at all.. it's just a "cultural event," so games make it more exciting. Plus, if the game itself sucks, betting can increase interest in it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 03, 2012, 12:40:03 PM
Not to be a wet blanket.. but how does this improve things? I never understood drinking or party games.. like, what's the point? Maybe I'm just a misanthrope. I'll go away now.

I think that at least 1/3 of the people at SuperBowl parties don't care about the game at all.. it's just a "cultural event," so games make it more exciting. Plus, if the game itself sucks, betting can increase interest in it.

And drinking can decrease interest in it, thus making a sucky game more watchable.

Case in point: The last 10 minutes of the Giants-Patriots super bowl.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on January 03, 2012, 12:53:30 PM
Not to be a wet blanket.. but how does this improve things? I never understood drinking or party games.. like, what's the point? Maybe I'm just a misanthrope. I'll go away now.

I think that at least 1/3 of the people at SuperBowl parties don't care about the game at all.. it's just a "cultural event," so games make it more exciting. Plus, if the game itself sucks, betting can increase interest in it.

And drinking can decrease interest in it, thus making a sucky game more watchable.

Case in point: The last 10 minutes of the Giants-Patriots super bowl.

I could care less if the games we play at my party are "drinking" games - it's more about making the game your watching interactive. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 03, 2012, 02:18:10 PM
Not to be a wet blanket.. but how does this improve things? I never understood drinking or party games.. like, what's the point? Maybe I'm just a misanthrope. I'll go away now.

Drinking games can make terrible/boring things fun. My friends and I watched the Twilight movie one night last summer. We had a great time because we played a drinking game doing it, the most brutal rule being that was had to drink whenever more than half the room laughed at something. I don't think the movie had a single intentional joke in it, but that rule got us fucked up.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 03, 2012, 02:25:14 PM
LOL

Quote
AdamSchein
Chargers announce Norv and AJ coming back. HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 03, 2012, 02:33:03 PM
LOL

Quote
AdamSchein
Chargers announce Norv and AJ coming back. HAHAHAHAHA

That's just awesome.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 03, 2012, 03:28:39 PM
LOL

Quote
AdamSchein
Chargers announce Norv and AJ coming back. HAHAHAHAHA

That's just awesome.

My fiancee has been bitching about Norv all year.. now I'll never hear the end of it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 03, 2012, 04:46:12 PM
It's kind of amazing that Marty Schottenheimer had them at like 15-1 or something like that in 2006 and then they lost to the Patriots. And then they fired Schottenheimer.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 03, 2012, 05:37:43 PM
I am a NYG fan and I ain't holding my breath on this one.

Also this...

Colts fire Polians (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iepaIu1DHIJFfB6sGT9aG26knjMQ?docId=ead7850b0cfa490588e79ac106e58d36)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 04, 2012, 06:12:14 AM
Andrew Luck is extremely lucky that he's good at throwing an oblong ball with accuracy, because my man is an ugly, awkward, and stupid sounding dude.

In other words, he's a perfect replacement for Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 04, 2012, 07:07:35 AM
Andrew Luck is extremely lucky that he's good at throwing an oblong ball with accuracy, because my man is an ugly, awkward, and stupid sounding dude.

In other words, he's a perfect replacement for Peyton Manning.

Ouch.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 04, 2012, 07:25:00 AM
But is he funny?

Hilarious Peyton Manning SNL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_3pPAuE0jw&feature=related#)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 04, 2012, 12:17:05 PM
Missed this, don't feel like reading the last few pages to find out.  You guys catch this?!

(HD) INSANE Jerome Simpson Front Flip Touchdown Over A Defender Into The Endzone! MUST SEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2ZITfPhnwE#)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 04, 2012, 12:58:41 PM
It was posted but from a different angle as a small sni.gif.  That is some epic athletics
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 06, 2012, 04:15:08 PM
Quote
Jon Bois
if Tebow wins the Super Bowl, I hope he says he's going to the Creation Museum
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 07, 2012, 06:00:47 PM
Terrible waste of Challenge Flags. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 08, 2012, 04:39:39 PM
I still don't have faith in my G-men.

Anyway, go Giants!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 08, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
I still don't have faith in my G-men.

Anyway, go Giants!

I am a Giants fan too.
My son is a Pack fan.

Tension in household...good thing I am leaving for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 08, 2012, 05:18:33 PM
8 1st Qtr Yards from the Broncos.  Pft.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 08, 2012, 05:19:57 PM
8 1st Qtr Yards from the Broncos.  Pft.

And I think Harrison just ended Decker's life.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 08, 2012, 05:45:10 PM
Oh man, the Steelers are looking more like the Silk Pantywaisters. The Iron Curtain is looking more like The Lace Doylies. They need to get their shit together because I, for one, am unprepared to deal with the repercussions of the Broncos making it to the second round of the playoffs. I will literally kill myself, in a figurative sense.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 08, 2012, 06:01:32 PM
I would rather face the Broncos than the Steelers.  I would feel bad for Rapistberger if not for....you know. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 08, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
The Biggest FU in a very long time. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 08, 2012, 08:45:43 PM
I rooted for Denver because Big Ben is at best a shady dude, and possibly a rapist.

But stuff like this:

Quote
InkyJohnson
GOD is trying to show the world something through Tim Tebow!

Is why I really fucking hate the Tebow hype and will be rooting for a team I hate to stomp Tebow's team.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 08, 2012, 09:37:35 PM
Nice Timing (http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Josh-McDaniels-joins-the-Patriots-as-an-Offensive-Assistant/3d1c8dd1-1859-45c3-910b-f4b7b1fdccdd?module=HP11_headline_stack)

Quote
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. - The New England Patriots announced today that Josh McDaniels has joined the team as an offensive assistant for the remainder of the 2011 season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: superdave on January 09, 2012, 12:37:04 AM
It seems to my layman's eyes that the Broncos coaching staff has done an excellent job playing to Tebow's strengths. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 09, 2012, 05:29:57 AM
Well, I guess I'm glad the Patriots won't be facing the Steelers.. even though based on last night's performance we probably would have won.

Ah well.. back to beating Denver again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 09, 2012, 05:39:51 AM
Please monkeystomp those clowns.

The playoffs are an experience that I am not used to.  But it's quite depressing to have watched 2 other playoff games (NY/ATL, DEN/PIT) all featuring teams that the Lions team who showed up to play the Saints could have kicked right in the ass.....

Ah well.

Next year, I suppose.

(Trying very hard not to hope Matt Flynn and Aaron Rogers get injured in car wrecks this week, because that would be wrong)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 09, 2012, 05:45:42 AM
Ugg.. this is the worst. ESPN is playing NFL Primetime and Dilfer, Jackson, and Boomer are just polishing Tebow's balls right now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 09, 2012, 05:50:23 AM
Oh my God.. and Rapistbooger did his press conference in a suit and fedora that gave me douchechills.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 09, 2012, 05:52:21 AM
Oh my God.. and Rapistbooger did his press conference in a suit and fedora that gave me douchechills.

I busted out laughing loud so loud as I saw that footage at 6am while getting ready for work, that my wife woke up, and asked me what was going on.

He would have looked better if he had shown up with a red rubber ball nose, and a rainbow wig on for the conference.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 09, 2012, 06:13:15 AM
Oh my God.. and Rapistbooger did his press conference in a suit and fedora that gave me douchechills.

I busted out laughing loud so loud as I saw that footage at 6am while getting ready for work, that my wife woke up, and asked me what was going on.

He would have looked better if he had shown up with a red rubber ball nose, and a rainbow wig on for the conference.

Well, in his defense he's going to look ludicrous in anything he wears because he's a ludicrous human being.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 09, 2012, 08:16:02 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/9VTm3.png)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: smithkhome on January 09, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
Please monkeystomp those clowns.

The playoffs are an experience that I am not used to.  But it's quite depressing to have watched 2 other playoff games (NY/ATL, DEN/PIT) all featuring teams that the Lions team who showed up to play the Saints could have kicked right in the ass.....

Ah well.

Next year, I suppose.

(Trying very hard not to hope Matt Flynn and Aaron Rogers get injured in car wrecks this week, because that would be wrong)

Hey...the Lions actually had leads on Saturday...first playoff leads since 1994!  Maybe they will get their first win since 1992 next year! 

Someday....
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 09, 2012, 09:53:53 AM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: superdave on January 09, 2012, 11:03:20 AM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.

I'm with you.  But the stats don't lie.  Tebow had a 125 QBR with less than 50% passing.  That is astounding.  He seems to have a knack for making his throws count when they are caught.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 09, 2012, 11:20:20 AM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.

I'm with you.  But the stats don't lie.  Tebow had a 125 QBR with less than 50% passing.  That is astounding.  He seems to have a knack for making his throws count when they are caught.

Yeah.. well, FWIW I think if that game was played in Pittsburgh with Ryan Clark in the starting line-up Denver doesn't win that game. It's a goddamned Greek tragedy that the AFC West and the NFC West are allowed to host a home playoff game in the first round.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on January 09, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.

The steelers are too arogant to credit other teams with being good at anything.  They let the Broncos do the only thing that could have beaten them (Tim throws a nice long ball) because they were too proud to let them run for a few more yards.  Idiots.  Bill B has no such hang-ups.   He will play a loose zone, Denver will run for 250 yards, they will pick Tebow 3 times, Pats will win by 24.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 09, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.

I'm with you.  But the stats don't lie.  Tebow had a 125 QBR with less than 50% passing.  That is astounding.  He seems to have a knack for making his throws count when they are caught.

Yeah I am starting to get over my Tebow hate.  I might even root for Denver if it wasn't the Pats they were going up against.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 09, 2012, 12:08:06 PM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.

The steelers are too arogant to credit other teams with being good at anything.  They let the Broncos do the only thing that could have beaten them (Tim throws a nice long ball) because they were too proud to let them run for a few more yards.  Idiots.  Bill B has no such hang-ups.   He will play a loose zone, Denver will run for 250 yards, they will pick Tebow 3 times, Pats will win by 24.

Or this will be a total trap game like last year against the Jets.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 09, 2012, 03:53:03 PM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.

The steelers are too arogant to credit other teams with being good at anything.  They let the Broncos do the only thing that could have beaten them (Tim throws a nice long ball) because they were too proud to let them run for a few more yards.  Idiots.  Bill B has no such hang-ups.   He will play a loose zone, Denver will run for 250 yards, they will pick Tebow 3 times, Pats will win by 24.

Or this will be a total trap game like last year against the Jets.

Nope.  THere will be no ego baiting here.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 09, 2012, 04:31:28 PM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.

The steelers are too arogant to credit other teams with being good at anything.  They let the Broncos do the only thing that could have beaten them (Tim throws a nice long ball) because they were too proud to let them run for a few more yards.  Idiots.  Bill B has no such hang-ups.   He will play a loose zone, Denver will run for 250 yards, they will pick Tebow 3 times, Pats will win by 24.

Or this will be a total trap game like last year against the Jets.

Nope.  THere will be no ego baiting here.

You don't think this game is doubly important to John Fox after he and the Panthers went into the '03 Super Bowl as favorites and the Patriots beat them? And then when the Patriots ruined the Broncos three weeks ago and sent them on a near-season killing loss spiral?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 09, 2012, 05:34:11 PM
Goddamn.. I still really can't believe that Denver won a game.

The steelers are too arogant to credit other teams with being good at anything.  They let the Broncos do the only thing that could have beaten them (Tim throws a nice long ball) because they were too proud to let them run for a few more yards.  Idiots.  Bill B has no such hang-ups.   He will play a loose zone, Denver will run for 250 yards, they will pick Tebow 3 times, Pats will win by 24.

Or this will be a total trap game like last year against the Jets.

Nope.  THere will be no ego baiting here.

You don't think this game is doubly important to John Fox after he and the Panthers went into the '03 Super Bowl as favorites and the Patriots beat them? And then when the Patriots ruined the Broncos three weeks ago and sent them on a near-season killing loss spiral?

Yes, but you won't have Sexy Rexy selling his soul to Satan for one game. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 09, 2012, 11:14:20 PM
I rooted for Denver because Big Ben is at best a shady dude, and possibly a rapist.

But stuff like this:

Quote
InkyJohnson
GOD is trying to show the world something through Tim Tebow!

Is why I really fucking hate the Tebow hype and will be rooting for a team I hate to stomp Tebow's team.

ALL OF THIS ^
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 10, 2012, 05:30:42 AM
Goddamn it, ESPN..

Ed Werder just described Tebow as "the most maligned quarterback in the NFL".. So I see they're running with the "Patriots are evil" storyline.

Ed Werder also said that Ike Thomas didn't understand the overtime rules and that he thought the Steelers would get a possession after Demaryius Thomas scored. Even if that's true, DON'T FUCKING SAY IT, because now people think that you did such a shitty job of breaking that stiff arm because you didn't think a score on the first play of overtime would mean the end of the game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 10, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
http://youtu.be/m5OAGHXc1ZU (http://youtu.be/m5OAGHXc1ZU)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: superdave on January 10, 2012, 07:36:13 PM
http://youtu.be/m5OAGHXc1ZU (http://youtu.be/m5OAGHXc1ZU)
ok, terrific.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 10, 2012, 08:28:16 PM
http://youtu.be/m5OAGHXc1ZU (http://youtu.be/m5OAGHXc1ZU)

HAHAHA - that is just too funny.
What excuse are they gonna use WHEN the Broncos lose?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 10, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
http://youtu.be/m5OAGHXc1ZU (http://youtu.be/m5OAGHXc1ZU)

HAHAHA - that is just too funny.
What excuse are they gonna use WHEN the Broncos lose?

(http://mlblogsredstatebluestate.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/bill_belichick.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 11, 2012, 12:02:00 AM
If Tebow can expose Pittsburgh and Dick LeBeau...
It's hard to beat a team twice in the same season...

That's it. I'm out of rationalizations. Denver's toast.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 11, 2012, 06:03:59 AM
If Tebow can expose Pittsburgh and Dick LeBeau...
It's hard to beat a team twice in the same season...

That's it. I'm out of rationalizations. Denver's toast.

Dick LeBeau is a really good coach, but he's also pretty inflexible. He sticks to his game plan come hell or high water.

FWIW, if you recall the Patriots were getting decimated in the first quarter, and if the Patriots hadn't completely thrown out their defensive game plan and started from scratch at the end of the first quarter they would have lost by 20 points.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 12, 2012, 07:32:42 PM
If Tebow can expose Pittsburgh and Dick LeBeau...
It's hard to beat a team twice in the same season...

That's it. I'm out of rationalizations. Denver's toast.

Dick LeBeau is a really good coach, but he's also pretty inflexible. He sticks to his game plan come hell or high water.

FWIW, if you recall the Patriots were getting decimated in the first quarter, and if the Patriots hadn't completely thrown out their defensive game plan and started from scratch at the end of the first quarter they would have lost by 20 points.

LeBeau was also missing Ryan Clark. Pittsburgh (esp. Ike Taylor) really needed him that game.

I missed the start of the Pats-Broncos game, but it seems Denver did their damage on the ground, in contrast to last week, when Tebow made throws I'd never seen him make. The Pats have definite problems defensively, but Belichick is too good a coach to get beat by this single-wing junk Denver plays.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 13, 2012, 05:57:44 AM
Yeah.. well, he made those throws because without Ryan Clark Polamalu is exposed as being a very old man, and because the Steelers were basically trying to shut down the running game and daring Tebow to throw.

Sure, he threw for 316 yards, but his completion percentage was still below 50%
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 14, 2012, 08:24:07 PM
4th quarter of NO-SF was fucking insane.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 14, 2012, 09:49:09 PM
This is all to setup the Tebow Miracle. 

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 15, 2012, 01:31:54 AM
I guess Tebow didn't pray hard enough.  :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 15, 2012, 01:47:11 AM
I guess Tebow didn't pray hard enough.  :P

Mu Christian brother was telling me he needed more loaves and fishes plays.  LOL!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 15, 2012, 01:57:30 AM
Hey, we knew Belichick's the antichrist, and Brady is his prophet. Tebow never had a prayer. Even getting the 13 1/2.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 15, 2012, 09:45:51 AM
I'm not unconvinced that Belichick didn't tell his defense to play shitty all season long just so they could decimate some poor team in the playoffs.. because that was fucking embarrassing. There were like 14 negative plays for the Broncos.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 15, 2012, 09:52:30 AM
I'm not unconvinced that Belichick didn't tell his defense to play shitty all season long just so they could decimate some poor team in the playoffs.. because that was fucking embarrassing. There were like 14 negative plays for the Broncos.

Funny that is the one record that no one is talking about.  It has to be a record.  Tebow looked to have lost more yards than he gained.  I just hope the Pats are able to keep Hernandez and Gronk on the team together.  Their pay checks are going to go up a tad after this year.  Oh yeah, get rid of Ocho, that should free up some cash. 

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/11/ochocinco-sends-twitter-follower-to-playoff-game-against-broncos/ (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/11/ochocinco-sends-twitter-follower-to-playoff-game-against-broncos/)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 15, 2012, 07:51:44 PM
YES! Headed to San Fran.

BTW Bill Leavy is the most incompetent ref in the NFL.
He is fucking blind.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 15, 2012, 09:26:38 PM
YES! Headed to San Fran.

BTW Bill Leavy is the most incompetent ref in the NFL.
He is fucking blind.

Yes. Those two calls made the score look respectable.

I was bracing for a game where the G-Men have one of those valiant losses.

Totally didn't expect them to whip GB like a rented mule.

This is a different Giant team than the regular season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 16, 2012, 05:08:30 AM
Every time the Packers lose, an angel gets a rock hard boner.

Well done, Giants.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 16, 2012, 10:10:44 AM
Every time the Packers lose, an angel gets a rock hard boner.

Well done, Giants.

Damn you just hate the Packers.  I guess Rogers was making another of those Discount Double Check commercials instead of remembering how to complete a forward pass.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Calinthalus on January 16, 2012, 10:14:58 AM
I wouldn't blame Rogers.  He was the only thing that kept them even remotely alive in that game.  I saw more passes dropped by Green Bay receivers in that one game than by Barney Stinson in an entire season.


Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 16, 2012, 10:22:41 AM
I wouldn't blame Rogers.  He was the only thing that kept them even remotely alive in that game.  I saw more passes dropped by Green Bay receivers in that one game than by Barney Stinson in an entire season.

Very true.  It's funny what two weeks off can do.  It turned the Pats into a playoff machine and the Packers into losers. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 16, 2012, 03:47:20 PM
I wouldn't blame Rogers.  He was the only thing that kept them even remotely alive in that game.  I saw more passes dropped by Green Bay receivers in that one game than by Barney Stinson in an entire season.

Very true.  It's funny what two weeks off can do.  It turned the Pats into a playoff machine and the Packers into losers.

Playoff machine? That remains to be seen.. if they beat the Ravens we'll have an agreement.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on January 16, 2012, 04:09:52 PM
For all the talk of the NFC Worst, since realignment 3 of the 4 teams in the division have either made it to the Super Bowl or gotten homefield advantage to the NFC Championship (probably counting my chickens if I'm actually favoring SF over NY). And the 4th team was the NFC's dominant power right before the realignment.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 16, 2012, 04:13:52 PM
Yeah, but the AFC West is a horrendous calamity. The only reason the Chargers are able to make the playoffs all the time despite their perennial September/October suckitude is because the AFC West is such a joke. I mean, the fucking Broncos won that division this year. The goddamn Broncos.

Yeah, the NFC West is pretty bad given that the Seahawks made it to the playoffs with a losing record last year, but I'd still say the AFC West is on par or worse.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 17, 2012, 05:33:39 AM
Every time the Packers lose, an angel gets a rock hard boner.

Well done, Giants.

Damn you just hate the Packers.  I guess Rogers was making another of those Discount Double Check commercials instead of remembering how to complete a forward pass.

16 years of hearing how Brett Favre was the greatest human being to ever walk the earth scarred me.

I'm also the only person who seems to think Favre's stats wouldn't be nearly as impressive if he hadn't had the luxury of playing the Lions twice a year for 16 years.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 17, 2012, 10:57:00 AM
YES! Headed to San Fran.

BTW Bill Leavy is the most incompetent ref in the NFL.
He is fucking blind.

Yes. Those two calls made the score look respectable.

I was bracing for a game where the G-Men have one of those valiant losses.

Totally didn't expect them to whip GB like a rented mule.

This is a different Giant team than the regular season.

That's because they got healthy.
During the regular season they were all banged up.
Their scores and record can attest to that.

If the G-Men win they will be playing a team they've already faced in the SB.
Lost to the Ravens, beat the Pats.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 17, 2012, 12:05:31 PM
All I can say is.. I really hope it isn't a Ravens/49ers SB.. the novelty of brother vs. brother would be beaten to death by ESPN within 30 minutes of the conclusion of the respective conference championship games.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 17, 2012, 12:58:14 PM
All I can say is.. I really hope it isn't a Ravens/49ers SB.. the novelty of brother vs. brother would be beaten to death by ESPN within 30 minutes of the conclusion of the respective conference championship games.

Oh they are already frothing at the mouth to do it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 17, 2012, 01:26:07 PM
YES! Headed to San Fran.

BTW Bill Leavy is the most incompetent ref in the NFL.
He is fucking blind.

Yes. Those two calls made the score look respectable.

I was bracing for a game where the G-Men have one of those valiant losses.

Totally didn't expect them to whip GB like a rented mule.

This is a different Giant team than the regular season.

That's because they got healthy.
During the regular season they were all banged up.
Their scores and record can attest to that.

Yeah, I was familiar with the injuries, etc, but there was definitely more to it than just getting healthier (though the pass rush is HUGE).
I wasn't expecting such overwhelming victories.
In certain respects, that victory was as impressive as the Pats over the Broncos. (though it seemed Brady was determined to really kill the Broncos)

I think in part the Packers were bad, but they may have been driven to bad play by a Giant team they just did not expect.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 17, 2012, 01:35:34 PM
If Brady and Bellichick wanted to kill the Bronco's the score would have been 60+-10 not 45-10. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 17, 2012, 06:47:58 PM
Jim Caldwell fired. Odd that it took this long. I guess the new GM Grigson wanted to take his time and be sure he wanted to be rid of Caldwell. He was by all reports loved by the players, but imo a terrible in-game coach. Still, the team started 14-0 with him so he's not team destroyingly bad. Strikes me as a coach exactly as good as the team he has to work with.

Hopefully they'll get someone good in. Spagnolo was in Indy for a DC interview, I actually wouldn't mind him as HC. He got a raw deal in STL.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Johnny Slick on January 17, 2012, 07:17:11 PM
I've got to be honest, I'm not entirely sure how raw a deal Spags had. Yeah, he got hit by a lot of injuries this year. You know who else got hit by a crap-ton of injuries in the NFC West? Seattle and Arizona. Especially Seattle, who IR'd 2 of their top 3 cornerbacks, their #1 WR, 3 of their 5 starting linemen (a fourth, Robert Gallery, missed the first several games of the season but wasn't IR'd), last year's #1 tight end, and a whole swarm of linebackers. They still managed to hit 7-9 with a quarterback who, frankly, is not nearly as talented as Sam Bradford. Spagnuolo had 3 years to put together a squad which could at least weather the storm of this season and in the end he went 10-38.

As a one-season stopgap while you look for a long-term answer I guess he's... something. If I were Indy, I think I'd still rather go on a longer interview process and maybe raid the colleges for somebody. Or heck, Jack del Rio is still available. Norv Turner will probably be available too; as bad a job as people think he's done in San Diego, at least the Chargers are competitive. Tom Cable in Seattle would be interesting only don't take him because he is awesome where he is already thanks. Denver's defensive coordinator would probably be right on the top of my list; if he's unwilling to leave a good thing, just talk about all the credit Tebow's gotten for the job he's done.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 17, 2012, 08:08:55 PM
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That is all.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 17, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
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That is all.

IF,... IF they beat my Giants, I won't be too sad about it. I have been rooting for Alex Smith to do well, and making it to the SB would be great for him. He gave us some good times when he played here in Utah, and it's about time he lived up to his number one overall draft pick.

Anyway,

Go Giants!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 17, 2012, 08:27:14 PM
The thing about the 49ers is that I just don't really ever know with them. They keep every game close, but just aren't great enough for me to think they always have a great chance of pulling it out. I almost feel like Sunday will be a flip of the coin. I don't expect the Giants to lay an egg and the 49ers never do, so... ???
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 17, 2012, 08:39:10 PM
1) 9ers-Ravens would be a pretty good defensive Super Bowl .

2) I'm not gonna lie, I'm terrified about the prospect of the Pats playing the Giants..  we never seem to be able to beat them.

3) Thus, I'm rooting for 9ers-Patriots Super Bowl. Especially because their play styles are very different and it would be interesting to watch.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 17, 2012, 08:47:24 PM
Also, this:
Sad Packer Fan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvXxwvg8mc#)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 17, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
1) 9ers-Ravens would be a pretty good defensive Super Bowl .

2) I'm not gonna lie, I'm terrified about the prospect of the Pats playing the Giants..  we never seem to be able to beat them.

3) Thus, I'm rooting for 9ers-Patriots Super Bowl. Especially because their play styles are very different and it would be interesting to watch.

Agreed, but damnit we need 2007 revenge!!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 17, 2012, 09:13:05 PM
I've got to be honest, I'm not entirely sure how raw a deal Spags had. Yeah, he got hit by a lot of injuries this year. You know who else got hit by a crap-ton of injuries in the NFC West? Seattle and Arizona. Especially Seattle, who IR'd 2 of their top 3 cornerbacks, their #1 WR, 3 of their 5 starting linemen (a fourth, Robert Gallery, missed the first several games of the season but wasn't IR'd), last year's #1 tight end, and a whole swarm of linebackers. They still managed to hit 7-9 with a quarterback who, frankly, is not nearly as talented as Sam Bradford. Spagnuolo had 3 years to put together a squad which could at least weather the storm of this season and in the end he went 10-38.

As a one-season stopgap while you look for a long-term answer I guess he's... something. If I were Indy, I think I'd still rather go on a longer interview process and maybe raid the colleges for somebody. Or heck, Jack del Rio is still available. Norv Turner will probably be available too; as bad a job as people think he's done in San Diego, at least the Chargers are competitive. Tom Cable in Seattle would be interesting only don't take him because he is awesome where he is already thanks. Denver's defensive coordinator would probably be right on the top of my list; if he's unwilling to leave a good thing, just talk about all the credit Tebow's gotten for the job he's done.

Del Rio is terrible. Colts, Texans and Titans fans mourned his firing. Norv is keeping his job even though he's terrible because SD is too cheap to fire people with years left on their contract.

As I see it, Spagnolo got fired because his young franchise QB sucked hard behind a very leaky OL with no good weapons. I'd be thrilled with him as a DC, he's proven himself great in that capacity, but I'm not yet convinced he can't be a good HC.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 17, 2012, 09:13:23 PM
Also, this:
Sad Packer Fan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvXxwvg8mc#)

Wow she is real stable.  Is she single?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jim S on January 17, 2012, 09:16:59 PM
Also, this:
Sad Packer Fan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvXxwvg8mc#)

OMG, I lost.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 17, 2012, 09:25:59 PM
All I can say is.. I really hope it isn't a Ravens/49ers SB.. the novelty of brother vs. brother would be beaten to death by ESPN within 30 minutes of the conclusion of the respective conference championship games.

Oh they are already frothing at the mouth to do it.

Talk about worst-case scenarios. I have no rooting interest in any of the remaining teams. But a Ravens-Niners Super Bowl, I'd be so sick of those fucking Harbaugh brothers I'd just pray for the game to be over. And who wants to watch a 10-7 game anyway?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 18, 2012, 04:57:23 AM
Also, this:
Sad Packer Fan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvXxwvg8mc#)

Wow she is real stable.  Is she single?

This makes my day.  Hell, this makes my week!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 18, 2012, 11:55:47 AM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 18, 2012, 12:07:41 PM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

Did he not see the Saints/49ers game?

If ever there was an example of random chance ending a game, there it was. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 18, 2012, 12:13:15 PM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

Did he not see the Saints/49ers game?

If ever there was an example of random chance ending a game, there it was.

In my limited experience with them, Bay Area fans (Oakland and SF) are the worst. Almost as bad as NY fans.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 18, 2012, 01:14:33 PM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

Did he not see the Saints/49ers game?

If ever there was an example of random chance ending a game, there it was.

In my limited experience with them, Bay Area fans (Oakland and SF) are the worst. Almost as bad as NY Philly fans.

FTFY
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 18, 2012, 01:24:13 PM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

Did he not see the Saints/49ers game?

If ever there was an example of random chance ending a game, there it was.

In my limited experience with them, Bay Area fans (Oakland and SF) are the worst. Almost as bad as NY Philly fans.

FTFY

No no.. Philly fans aren't as bad, because they're such awful human beings that they can't be taken seriously. And they don't have the ego that NY fans have. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 18, 2012, 01:37:10 PM
Talk about worst-case scenarios. I have no rooting interest in any of the remaining teams. But a Ravens-Niners Super Bowl, I'd be so sick of those fucking Harbaugh brothers I'd just pray for the game to be over. And who wants to watch a 10-7 game anyway?

I agree with this, except for the fact that I'm a 49er fan and I think they have a better shot at beating the Ravens so that's kind of what I'm hoping for.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 18, 2012, 03:02:46 PM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.
A dickhead with far more confidence than brains.

I think these last four teams are pretty evenly matched.
I think each one of them stands a damned good shot at the SB Championship.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 18, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

Did he not see the Saints/49ers game?

If ever there was an example of random chance ending a game, there it was.

In my limited experience with them, Bay Area fans (Oakland and SF) are the worst. Almost as bad as NY Philly fans.

FTFY

^
This.

Philly Fans Booing Santa Feature (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWvza6en5Rg#)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 18, 2012, 03:50:20 PM
Quote
RobLowe
Hearing my fave, #18 Peyton Manning will not return to #NFL. Wow. #Colts

Lowe is a friend of Jim Irsay. I don't know WTF is going on right now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 18, 2012, 04:31:12 PM
Quote
RobLowe
Hearing my fave, #18 Peyton Manning will not return to #NFL. Wow. #Colts

Lowe is a friend of Jim Irsay. I don't know WTF is going on right now.

That's crazy.. That's like $20 million in salary and bonus that Peyton just gave up.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 18, 2012, 07:17:37 PM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

Did he not see the Saints/49ers game?

If ever there was an example of random chance ending a game, there it was.

In my limited experience with them, Bay Area fans (Oakland and SF) are the worst. Almost as bad as NY Philly fans.

FTFY

No no.. Philly fans aren't as bad, because they're such awful human beings that they can't be taken seriously. And they don't have the ego that NY fans have.

I got so much crap from my family when they heard I was a Giants fan. One of the comments was (after the conversation about how big of a pussy Eli is), "So, you're putting yourself in with the most obnoxious fans in football, huh?"

If they root for the Giants it's because they hate the other team even more so.

My dad: "Oh, this is the only time I will root for the Giants. I hate the Cowboys."
My b-in-law: "Only time I will root for the Giants is when they play GB."

At least my dad hates the Cowboys. I really hate them.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 18, 2012, 07:30:44 PM
At least my dad hates the Cowboys. I really hate them.

I don't like you this week for obvious reasons, but on this we can agree. ;)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 18, 2012, 07:49:21 PM
At least my dad hates the Cowboys. I really hate them.

I don't like you this week for obvious reasons, but on this we can agree. ;)


:cheers:

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 18, 2012, 09:27:31 PM
Quote
RobLowe
Hearing my fave, #18 Peyton Manning will not return to #NFL. Wow. #Colts

Lowe is a friend of Jim Irsay. I don't know WTF is going on right now.

That's crazy.. That's like $20 million in salary and bonus that Peyton just gave up.

Archie and Peyton's agent say the story is BS. I wouldn't put in past Irsay to have leaked a fake story to Lowe for the lulz.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 18, 2012, 10:17:31 PM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

Did he not see the Saints/49ers game?

If ever there was an example of random chance ending a game, there it was.

In my limited experience with them, Bay Area fans (Oakland and SF) are the worst. Almost as bad as NY Philly fans.

FTFY

No no.. Philly fans aren't as bad, because they're such awful human beings that they can't be taken seriously. And they don't have the ego that NY fans have.

I went to a NYG/PHI game in Philly several years ago wearing a Giants jacket.
Fans threw stuff at me and one guy leaned over the rail and put his middle finger in my face and yelled "FUCK YOU!"
They are the epitome of assholism.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 18, 2012, 11:38:53 PM
Well, lets be honest, if you go to an oppenents stadium, in your teams gear, you're going to get some heckling.

Actually, you're going to deserve some heckling.

What you're describing isn't what makes Philly a hell hole and their fans ass holes...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 19, 2012, 01:16:25 AM
I've been to the crime scene they call the Meadowlands (or used to). The fans there are as vile and vicious and stupid as any I've encountered, ever. Hint: don't wear the opposing team's colors. It will save you a beat down.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 19, 2012, 05:32:57 AM
I work with a HUGE 49ers fan.
Last night I told him he should be worried.
He said if the Saints couldn't beat them, the Giants stand no chance.
He is one obnoxious asshole and at the end of the conversation I said in good sportsmanship, "Well, good luck" expecting the same in return.  He laughed and said, "No luck needed, we are going to stomp them."

Yeah, he's a dickhead.

Did he not see the Saints/49ers game?

If ever there was an example of random chance ending a game, there it was.

In my limited experience with them, Bay Area fans (Oakland and SF) are the worst. Almost as bad as NY Philly fans.

FTFY

No no.. Philly fans aren't as bad, because they're such awful human beings that they can't be taken seriously. And they don't have the ego that NY fans have.

I went to a NYG/PHI game in Philly several years ago wearing a Giants jacket.
Fans threw stuff at me and one guy leaned over the rail and put his middle finger in my face and yelled "FUCK YOU!"
They are the epitome of assholism.

But you don't understand, it doesn't matter because Philly fans aren't human beings. They're subhuman filth.

Quote
RobLowe
Hearing my fave, #18 Peyton Manning will not return to #NFL. Wow. #Colts

Lowe is a friend of Jim Irsay. I don't know WTF is going on right now.

That's crazy.. That's like $20 million in salary and bonus that Peyton just gave up.

Archie and Peyton's agent say the story is BS. I wouldn't put in past Irsay to have leaked a fake story to Lowe for the lulz.

Then Irsay is an even bigger douche than I thought.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 19, 2012, 07:14:05 AM
Well, lets be honest, if you go to an oppenents stadium, in your teams gear, you're going to get some heckling.

Actually, you're going to deserve some heckling.

What you're describing isn't what makes Philly a hell hole and their fans ass holes...

Heckling I can understand.
This was beyond heckling.
It was simply verbal assault.
The guy who flipped me off in my face had a very angry look on his face.
He was a Philly fan alright - a true DICK.
I'm just glad the Eagles won.
I may have gotten seriously injured otherwise.
And I vow to NEVER EVER visit that stadium again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 19, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
Joe Biden, ladies and gentlemen...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/01/biden-in-san-fran-giants-to-the-super-bowl-111423.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/01/biden-in-san-fran-giants-to-the-super-bowl-111423.html)

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Vice President Joe Biden fumbled a sports reference on Wednesday, telling a crowd in San Francisco that “the Giants [are] on their way to the Super Bowl.”

The remark drew “good-natured boos” from 49ers fans at the fundraiser, according to a pool report, since their football team must beat the New York Giants on Sunday to make it to the big game.

The veep was quick to apologize and explained that the city’s baseball team, which shares a name with the NFL team from New York, was the reason for the slip.

It's as though he's a robot, sent to us from the future, who will make 1 ridiculous gaffe every 3 months for his entire operational life.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 19, 2012, 12:00:41 PM
I've been to the crime scene they call the Meadowlands (or used to). The fans there are as vile and vicious and stupid as any I've encountered, ever. Hint: don't wear the opposing team's colors. It will save you a beat down.

Interesting.

Giants fans are often characterized as being a bit old fashioned --especially at the games.
They are often derided for being too "polite" and not nearly as spirited as rival fans--the season ticket holders for NYG games tend to be pretty old.

Nothing compared to Jets fans (who are complete jerks 24/7), and they aren't even close to Philly fans.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 20, 2012, 07:28:54 PM
Jim Tressel and Brad Childress reportedly among the Colts interviews for the HC job.

Kill me now.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 20, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
Joe Biden, ladies and gentlemen...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/01/biden-in-san-fran-giants-to-the-super-bowl-111423.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/01/biden-in-san-fran-giants-to-the-super-bowl-111423.html)

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Vice President Joe Biden fumbled a sports reference on Wednesday, telling a crowd in San Francisco that “the Giants [are] on their way to the Super Bowl.”

The remark drew “good-natured boos” from 49ers fans at the fundraiser, according to a pool report, since their football team must beat the New York Giants on Sunday to make it to the big game.

The veep was quick to apologize and explained that the city’s baseball team, which shares a name with the NFL team from New York, was the reason for the slip.

It's as though he's a robot, sent to us from the future, who will make 1 ridiculous gaffe every 3 months for his entire operational life.

It's more like his mouth and his brain are in two different bodies, and the mouth is attached to the brain of a 14-year-old. Or an 84-year-old. Or something other than a coherent person.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 21, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
In other news, Bill Simmons at Grantland (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7484119/welcome-back-all-football-mailbag) likes the Pats and Giants.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 21, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
Of course he does, because he's a Boston homer. I frankly do not want to face the Giants again, because I'm uncharacteristically superstitious when it comes to sports. Here's hoping the 49ers continue to play above expectations for one more game.

Sorry SQ.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 22, 2012, 11:37:35 AM
Of course he does, because he's a Boston homer. I frankly do not want to face the Giants again, because I'm uncharacteristically superstitious when it comes to sports. Here's hoping the 49ers continue to play above expectations for one more game.

Sorry SQ.

DIE YOU BASTARD!

 ;)

If the Giants manage to make it I would rather see them face the Ravens for this reason (which doesn't include actual reasoning at all.)

The Giants beat the Pats in 2007 - the Pats are out for revenge.
The Ravens beat the Giants in 2001 - the Giants are out for revenge.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 22, 2012, 12:47:21 PM
I'm not sure I like the late game start. What the hell am I supposed to do with myself for the next six hours? Yesterday was bad enough.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 22, 2012, 01:21:19 PM
I'm not sure I like the late game start. What the hell am I supposed to do with myself for the next six hours? Yesterday was bad enough.

Yeah.. 3pm is a weird start time.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 22, 2012, 06:14:02 PM
Billy Cundiff can suck my nuts.  That... I'm done.

:ughh: :obama: :ughh: :obama: :ughh: :obama: :ughh: :obama:
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: smithkhome on January 22, 2012, 06:17:36 PM
Billy Cundiff can suck my nuts.  That... I'm done.


Gonna be a long flight for him back to Baltimore tonight...
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 22, 2012, 06:19:20 PM
Billy Cundiff can suck my nuts.  That... I'm done.


Gonna be a long flight for him back to Baltimore tonight...

Yeah.  For real. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 22, 2012, 06:20:56 PM
(http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_to_choke_magnet-p147096974540532525z85qu_400.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 22, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
Why Tom Brady rocks

"Well I sucked pretty bad today."

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 22, 2012, 09:19:47 PM
Why Tom Brady rocks

"Well I sucked pretty bad today."

What else was he going to say? He was clearly out played by *cough* Joe Flacco *coughcough*....
If not for Sterling Moore, Brady's the goat of this game. And he knows it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 22, 2012, 10:50:39 PM
Bummer.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 22, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
Billy Cundiff can suck my nuts.  That... I'm done.

:ughh: :obama: :ughh: :obama: :ughh: :obama: :ughh: :obama:

I think it was his coaching staff.  They tried to rush the kick and they had a time out left. They should have taken it.

On that note:

(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e216/JonBBvOv/new-york-giants1.png)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 22, 2012, 10:53:24 PM
Go Blue!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 22, 2012, 11:47:07 PM
What a great game. My Giants are back to win another championship.

Sorry, uolj.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 23, 2012, 12:17:28 AM
Both great games really. Aside from the special teams fuckups, they were exciting and well played, exceptionally close, hard-fought thrillers. Even the officiating was good. Speaking as a disinterested fan without a major rooting interest (although the thought of a Harbaugh vs. Harbaugh SB filled me with dread), that's all you can ask for in a conference championship. If the SB is half as good as either game today, I'll be plenty happy.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on January 23, 2012, 12:47:52 AM
This was such a bad day of football for me. And I'm a Patriots fan.

First, bummer that the 9ers didn't win. I would have liked to see them make it, plus I always root against NY.

Second... the Pats won, but really the Ravens lost. I can't even imagine how nerve-racking the Super Bowl will be.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 23, 2012, 06:08:07 AM
God damn it

Now we get two weeks of this bull shit "revenge" storyline on ESPN. I'd almost rather that the Broncos had made it to the SB so that they could spend the two weeks gagging on his cock and balls and I wouldn't be interested enough to watch.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 23, 2012, 06:58:50 AM
Oh my God.. Joe Flacco is the most butthurt QB ever to play the game. I can't find his press conference right now, but his comments were along the lines of "Look at the way I play. This is the way I play the game. If you say I played better or worse than last week all I can say is that's the way I play, and I don't think it was better or worse."

Seriously, this dude spent all season long bitching about how he's being treated by the media. He needs to shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 23, 2012, 07:51:52 AM
God damn it

Now we get two weeks of this bull shit "revenge" storyline on ESPN. I'd almost rather that the Broncos had made it to the SB so that they could spend the two weeks gagging on his cock and balls and I wouldn't be interested enough to watch.

Uhhh, no.  I would rather the revenge story myself.  Not to sound wooish, but I will.  I hope Brady got his bad game out yesterday, 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 23, 2012, 11:17:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/T3M6z.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: CSArchi on January 23, 2012, 12:33:31 PM
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly8mpemvb21r4jsz9.gif)


Mother F***ing Super bowl

Edit: Sorry Forgot to post was he was saying
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 23, 2012, 12:43:02 PM
I can read lips.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jim S on January 23, 2012, 12:47:13 PM
"M-F-ing Super Bowl"? 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 23, 2012, 01:28:48 PM
Quote
Suggs to Bayless. “Stop it, be an analyst, don’t be a douchebag” http://t.co/ERxl7wFi (http://t.co/ERxl7wFi)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 23, 2012, 02:32:08 PM
"My mother's making soup for us!"

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 23, 2012, 02:44:50 PM
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Suggs to Bayless. “Stop it, be an analyst, don’t be a douchebag” http://t.co/ERxl7wFi (http://t.co/ERxl7wFi)

All I can think of when I see Skip Bayless now is that atrocious DJ Steve Porter Tim Tebow song with Bayless saying "He's a winner, a baller, a shot caller" or something equally asinine.

ESPN really needs some stiff competition because they fucking suck horribly, but I want to watch sports news and I want it to be entertaining.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 23, 2012, 03:02:33 PM
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Suggs to Bayless. “Stop it, be an analyst, don’t be a douchebag” http://t.co/ERxl7wFi (http://t.co/ERxl7wFi)

All I can think of when I see Skip Bayless now is that atrocious DJ Steve Porter Tim Tebow song with Bayless saying "He's a winner, a baller, a shot caller" or something equally asinine.

ESPN really needs some stiff competition because they fucking suck horribly, but I want to watch sports news and I want it to be entertaining.

Then don't watch ESPN.  I stick with Inside the NFL and NFL.com.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 23, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
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Suggs to Bayless. “Stop it, be an analyst, don’t be a douchebag” http://t.co/ERxl7wFi (http://t.co/ERxl7wFi)

All I can think of when I see Skip Bayless now is that atrocious DJ Steve Porter Tim Tebow song with Bayless saying "He's a winner, a baller, a shot caller" or something equally asinine.

ESPN really needs some stiff competition because they fucking suck horribly, but I want to watch sports news and I want it to be entertaining.

Then don't watch ESPN.  I stick with Inside the NFL and NFL.com.

But I want to watch sports news, and I want it to be entertaining.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 23, 2012, 03:16:21 PM
Quote
Suggs to Bayless. “Stop it, be an analyst, don’t be a douchebag” http://t.co/ERxl7wFi (http://t.co/ERxl7wFi)

All I can think of when I see Skip Bayless now is that atrocious DJ Steve Porter Tim Tebow song with Bayless saying "He's a winner, a baller, a shot caller" or something equally asinine.

ESPN really needs some stiff competition because they fucking suck horribly, but I want to watch sports news and I want it to be entertaining.

Then don't watch ESPN.  I stick with Inside the NFL and NFL.com.

But I want to watch sports news, and I want it to be entertaining.

Then don't watch ESPN.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 23, 2012, 03:28:19 PM
BUT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ENTERTAINING.

I'm hoping that NBC Sports and CBS Sports can assert themselves.. But for right now Comcast Sports Net is too low-budget and region-specific, and ESPN still does a pretty good job of covering sports, it just sucks that their "personalities" rest on their laurels too much and are often *COUGH COUGH* SKIP BAYLESS *COUGH* just mouth pieces for the high priced agents trying to pump up their clients.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 23, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
NFL Network makes Rich Eisen attempt athletics pretty regularly. That's very entertaining. I love Eisen, but dude is horribly unathletic.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 23, 2012, 04:17:01 PM
NFL Network makes Rich Eisen attempt athletics pretty regularly. That's very entertaining. I love Eisen, but dude is horribly unathletic.

Yeah, but the problem with NFLN is that they only cover one sport. I really don't want to be constantly switching between NFLN and MLBN, etc..
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 23, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
NFL Network makes Rich Eisen attempt athletics pretty regularly. That's very entertaining. I love Eisen, but dude is horribly unathletic.

Yeah, but the problem with NFLN is that they only cover one sport. I really don't want to be constantly switching between NFLN and MLBN, etc..

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Jaypee, you're the Joe Flacco of sports fans.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 23, 2012, 04:42:08 PM
I gave up on ESPN a while ago. Largely because I just don't have time, but also because what they consider entertaining is no longer what I consider entertaining.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 23, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
Stay classy Ray Lewis.  Stay Classy:

Ray Lewis On Joe Flacco & Billy Cundiff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl55Hl3kMW8#)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 23, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Thought you were being sarcastic there, EL. Very classy, indeed.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 23, 2012, 07:00:25 PM
Thought you were being sarcastic there, EL. Very classy, indeed.

Same here... I watched the whole thing waiting for him to say something unclassy. :)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 05:39:13 AM
NFL Network makes Rich Eisen attempt athletics pretty regularly. That's very entertaining. I love Eisen, but dude is horribly unathletic.

Yeah, but the problem with NFLN is that they only cover one sport. I really don't want to be constantly switching between NFLN and MLBN, etc..

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Jaypee, you're the Joe Flacco of sports fans.

That's cold.

Thought you were being sarcastic there, EL. Very classy, indeed.

Same here... I watched the whole thing waiting for him to say something unclassy. :)

Remember that time Ray Lewis obstructed a murder investigation?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 24, 2012, 07:54:20 AM
NFL Network makes Rich Eisen attempt athletics pretty regularly. That's very entertaining. I love Eisen, but dude is horribly unathletic.

Yeah, but the problem with NFLN is that they only cover one sport. I really don't want to be constantly switching between NFLN and MLBN, etc..

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Jaypee, you're the Joe Flacco of sports fans.

That's cold.

Thought you were being sarcastic there, EL. Very classy, indeed.

Same here... I watched the whole thing waiting for him to say something unclassy. :)

Remember that time Ray Lewis obstructed a murder investigation?

What?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 09:09:11 AM
NFL Network makes Rich Eisen attempt athletics pretty regularly. That's very entertaining. I love Eisen, but dude is horribly unathletic.

Yeah, but the problem with NFLN is that they only cover one sport. I really don't want to be constantly switching between NFLN and MLBN, etc..

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Jaypee, you're the Joe Flacco of sports fans.

That's cold.

Thought you were being sarcastic there, EL. Very classy, indeed.

Same here... I watched the whole thing waiting for him to say something unclassy. :)

Remember that time Ray Lewis obstructed a murder investigation?

What?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis#Conviction_for_obstruction_of_justice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis#Conviction_for_obstruction_of_justice)

He was the first Super Bowl MVP not to be invited to Disney Land.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 24, 2012, 09:21:51 AM
Wow.  Missed that one.  How is this relevent to the vid I posted though?  You trying to imply he was the killer?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 24, 2012, 09:28:16 AM
Wow.  Missed that one.  How is this relevent to the vid I posted though?  You trying to imply he was the killer?

I think that it's interesting to see a guy who tried to cover up a murder, an immoral and irrational act, speaking with integrity and wisdom about ANY subject.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 09:29:11 AM
Wow.  Missed that one.  How is this relevent to the vid I posted though?  You trying to imply he was the killer?

No, I'm just trying to refresh everyone's memory that the "stand up guy" everyone is lauding for handling a crushing defeat with professionalism is at least complicit in a double murder that robbed at least one child of knowing her father.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 24, 2012, 09:35:31 AM
Wow.  Missed that one.  How is this relevent to the vid I posted though?  You trying to imply he was the killer?

No, I'm just trying to refresh everyone's memory that the "stand up guy" everyone is lauding for handling a crushing defeat with professionalism is at least complicit in a double murder that robbed at least one child of knowing her father.

Do you know he's complicit?  Wouldn't that require knowing for sure who the killer is, because it seems possible that he might not know too.  It's also far too easy to side with the victim when you have zero knowledge of just what was going on; coulda been a planned, cold-blooded murder, coulda been stopping him from murdering someone else or anywhere in between those extremes.  Besides, does that change the fact that Lewis' reaction to tue game was classy and professional to atee? 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 24, 2012, 11:18:44 AM
Wow.  Missed that one.  How is this relevent to the vid I posted though?  You trying to imply he was the killer?

I think that it's interesting to see a guy who tried to cover up a murder, an immoral and irrational act, speaking with integrity and wisdom about ANY subject.

I'm not sure why that's interesting. Are you saying it's unexpected or insincere or something else? I don't find it to be unexpected or likely to be insincere.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 24, 2012, 11:27:22 AM
He's certainly sincere, and from what I've learned about him, it's not unexpected.

Though I find it interesting particularly after seeing a couple of his NFL films, that he was a guy who wasn't a very good guy, but has now turned himself around.

Wealth and privilege makes that easy I think, but I still find it interesting.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 24, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
He's certainly sincere, and from what I've learned about him, it's not unexpected.

Though I find it interesting particularly after seeing a couple of his NFL films, that he was a guy who wasn't a very good guy, but has now turned himself around.

Wealth and privilege makes that easy I think, but I still find it interesting.

Ahh, makes sense. (http://sguforums.com/Themes/SGUwheyRC4/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 12:07:28 PM
Wow.  Missed that one.  How is this relevent to the vid I posted though?  You trying to imply he was the killer?

No, I'm just trying to refresh everyone's memory that the "stand up guy" everyone is lauding for handling a crushing defeat with professionalism is at least complicit in a double murder that robbed at least one child of knowing her father.

Do you know he's complicit?  Wouldn't that require knowing for sure who the killer is, because it seems possible that he might not know too.  It's also far too easy to side with the victim when you have zero knowledge of just what was going on; coulda been a planned, cold-blooded murder, coulda been stopping him from murdering someone else or anywhere in between those extremes.  Besides, does that change the fact that Lewis' reaction to tue game was classy and professional to atee?

He was there. He allegedly destroyed evidence, and when it became apparent that he might lose his career he decided to testify his friends. He was complicit in murder.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 24, 2012, 12:19:21 PM
He was there. He allegedly destroyed evidence, and when it became apparent that he might lose his career he decided to testify his friends. He was complicit in murder.

My bad; had an inaccurate definition of complicit in my head.  In that he admitted to purposefully giving an inaccurate initial report to the police the day after the murder he certainly was complicit.  Everything else is speculation and being that he was only found guilty on the charge of obstruction for doing what I just mentioned it seems you've made up your mind that he's guilty of more or at least want a reason to not find him a stand-up guy.  Do you know the some details of his real and false testimony that paints him in a worse light or something?  I mean technically he could have been lying to cover up the fact he was screwing a prostitute or doing drugs and that would earn the obstruction charge as well as that information pertains to the case.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
He was there. He allegedly destroyed evidence, and when it became apparent that he might lose his career he decided to testify his friends. He was complicit in murder.

My bad; had an inaccurate definition of complicit in my head.  In that he admitted to purposefully giving an inaccurate initial report to the police the day after the murder he certainly was complicit.  Everything else is speculation and being that he was only found guilty on the charge of obstruction for doing what I just mentioned it seems you've made up your mind that he's guilty of more or at least want a reason to not find him a stand-up guy.  Do you know the some details of his real and false testimony that paints him in a worse light or something?  I mean technically he could have been lying to cover up the fact he was screwing a prostitute or doing drugs and that would earn the obstruction charge as well as that information pertains to the case.

Right.. people can totally provide testimony which garners them a dismissal of all charges but obstruction of justice when they have no specific knowledge of the details of a crime. I'm sure he totally had nothing to do with anything, and he was just an innocent bystander when his "crew" murdered two people.

I'll just go back to the real world where people can't expunge murders from their past simply by running charities, and you can go back to your fluffy fantasy world where people can just get an absurd amount of benefit of the doubt just because they aren't presently in jail for the horrific crimes they were a party to.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 24, 2012, 12:25:11 PM
He was there. He allegedly destroyed evidence, and when it became apparent that he might lose his career he decided to testify his friends. He was complicit in murder.

My bad; had an inaccurate definition of complicit in my head.  In that he admitted to purposefully giving an inaccurate initial report to the police the day after the murder he certainly was complicit.  Everything else is speculation and being that he was only found guilty on the charge of obstruction for doing what I just mentioned it seems you've made up your mind that he's guilty of more or at least want a reason to not find him a stand-up guy.  Do you know the some details of his real and false testimony that paints him in a worse light or something?  I mean technically he could have been lying to cover up the fact he was screwing a prostitute or doing drugs and that would earn the obstruction charge as well as that information pertains to the case.

Right.. people can totally provide testimony which garners them a dismissal of all charges but obstruction of justice when they have no specific knowledge of the details of a crime. I'm sure he totally had nothing to do with anything, and he was just an innocent bystander when his "crew" murdered two people.

I'll just go back to the real world where people can't expunge murders from their past simply by running charities, and you can go back to your fluffy fantasy world where people can just get an absurd amount of benefit of the doubt just because they aren't presently in jail for the horrific crimes they were a party to.

No need to get an attitude jaypee; I'm not giving any to you.  I also didn't give him the benefit of the doubt; I pointed out that you weren't giving him any and asked you to back up your assertions.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 24, 2012, 12:28:30 PM
Hey it's all ok.  HE can tackle well. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 12:32:38 PM
"Garland said Lewis' only crime was to tell his companions after the brawl that led to the deaths, "Keep your mouth shut," and giving an incomplete statement to police. "

...

Lewis' defense attorneys admit that the NFL star gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings, but there has been other testimony that suggests Lewis participated in some kind of cover-up:

Duane Fassett, the driver of Lewis' rented limousine, reluctantly admitted on the stand that after the brawl Lewis told everyone in the stretch Lincoln Navigator to "just keep your mouth shut and don't say nothing."

Evelyn Sparks, who was riding in the limousine, said she saw another passenger dump a white hotel laundry bag into a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant. Prosecutors say the bag contained Lewis' bloodstained white suit, which has never been found.

Sparks also said a photograph of Lewis' entourage, taken at the Cobalt Lounge on the night of the killings, was destroyed by Jessica Robertson, a woman described as Lewis' girlfriend. "She said she burned it," Sparks testified.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/04/lewis_agreement/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/04/lewis_agreement/)

That is called conspiracy right there. He may have had nothing to do with the actual murder, and I've never asserted that he did, but his instructions to his entourage and the resulting destruction of evidence are clearly obstruction of justice and therefore complicity in murder.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 24, 2012, 12:39:21 PM
Wonderful.  Has he ever talked about it since?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
No, but he paid the four year old daughter of one of the dudes who got killed a million dollars.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 24, 2012, 12:47:35 PM
No, but he paid the four year old daughter of one of the dudes who got killed a million dollars.

Well, that's something I guess.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 12:56:51 PM
No, but he paid the four year old daughter of one of the dudes who got killed a million dollars.

Well, that's something I guess.

It's not a father.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 24, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
No, but he paid the four year old daughter of one of the dudes who got killed a million dollars.

Well, that's something I guess.

It's not a father.

No jaypee.  Money is just as good  ::).

You really are determined to be an ass with me about this aren't you?  I'm agreeing with you and you still have to pick at it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 24, 2012, 01:26:54 PM
So what do we all think of the death threats?

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 24, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
So what do we all think of the death threats?

Obviously stupid, but not much of a story, in my opinion. Then again, I haven't read any of the stories on it for that reason, so maybe it's worse than I'm expecting.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 24, 2012, 02:39:04 PM
So what do we all think of the death threats?

Do you listen to T&R in the morning?

No, but he paid the four year old daughter of one of the dudes who got killed a million dollars.

Well, that's something I guess.

It's not a father.

No jaypee.  Money is just as good  ::).

You really are determined to be an ass with me about this aren't you?  I'm agreeing with you and you still have to pick at it.

Sorry, I was being overly sarcastic, which borders on prickishness.

The father comment was meant as a joke
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 25, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
Colts Hire Ravens DC Chuck Pagano as their new HC. Only has one year as a NFL DC and three years as a coordinator anywhere (Ravens 2011, UNC 2007 and UNLV 1991).

At least he's not Jim Tressel or Marty Morenweig
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 26, 2012, 05:17:28 AM
Colts Hire Ravens DC Chuck Pagano as their new HC. Only has one year as a NFL DC and three years as a coordinator anywhere (Ravens 2011, UNC 2007 and UNLV 1991).

At least he's not Jim Tressel or Marty Morenweig

Intriguing. I wonder if the Colts' post-Peyton plans (pick a peck of pickled peppers) entail becoming a defense-first team.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 27, 2012, 05:34:32 AM
Guhhhhh

Herm Edwards just said that the player of the game in the Super Bowl will be Julian Edelman because he "goes both ways".
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 27, 2012, 06:07:47 AM
Did anyone see that NFL Films feature the other day on Rob Gronkowski from the AFC CG? I didn't see it, but they were playing clips on the radio yesterday which were absolutely hilarious. To those of you unfamiliar with the Gronk, he's a doofus. I describe him as what I imagine a human/rhinoceros hybrid that loves smoking pot would be like.

Anyway, some quotes that I remember:

(after eating a PowerBar): "This thing gives me so much fucking energy!"

"Woo!"

"Woohoohoo!"

"Wooooooooooooooooo!"

"Bro, we're on the jumbo screen! Quick, let's do a chest bump!"

(after coming out of the locker room in the fourth quarter with his ankle taped): "I'm fine! What'd I miss?!"

And then after the game the interview he did with ESPN Deportes was rich with gems such as "Hola, mi lammo Roberto!" and "Yo soy fiesta!"
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 27, 2012, 10:08:14 AM
The bad news - I have to work on SB Sunday.
The worse news - I have to work night shift.   >:(

If I am lucky enough to have a quiet night I should be able to catch it on the radio.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 27, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
The bad news - I have to work on SB Sunday.
The worse news - I have to work night shift.   >:(

If I am lucky enough to have a quiet night I should be able to catch it on the radio.

Your boss is an evil person.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 27, 2012, 10:43:47 AM
The bad news - I have to work on SB Sunday.
The worse news - I have to work night shift.   >:(

If I am lucky enough to have a quiet night I should be able to catch it on the radio.

Your boss is an evil person.

Y'know funny you should say that.
He is an awesome guy.
But he said, "You guys can decide who works days/nights."
I said, "I'm torn.  NYG play SF this Sunday night."
If I choose nights I miss this game - SOOOOO GLAD I DIDN'T.  My next text to one of my best friends when SF's return man fumbled - O  M  G.
If I choose days I miss the SB...at this point the NYG hadn't played SF so what do I do?
I don't care about the SB if the G-men lose.
Anyway, Saturday when we were discussing it he says, "You're days - next time out, nights."
I don't know if he will do anything to help me but remember, I worked Thanksgiving Day - all day (like 18 hours).  So this is nothing to the company.
The reason, I am the best (not kidding - THE BEST).  I worked on 3 different sites between last M/T and had 35 hours by Tuesday night.  I am in demand because I can fix it - period.
There is a slight chance the job will be finished and they will be moving the equipment to a new location on that day and I won't need to be there.  It takes them a few days to position everything...but at this point it is not looking good.  Also if the guy on days screws up then the boss might switch us.  Day guy is known for being lazy.

I think this belongs in the RANT thread.  :D

I am SOOOOO a New York Football Giants fan.  I watch the game and can identify players by their numbers.  I have been a Giants fan since I was old enough to understand (no, I mean really understand) football.  I was probably ten.  I am 42.  Can't believe I will likely miss it.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 27, 2012, 12:25:20 PM
All the hype aside, I think this is a great matchup.

Should be a good game.
If both teams come in with their best game (which is highly likely) it could prove to be a an all-time great SB game.

(and I think the majority of the Playoff games were excellent this year)


I am slightly surprised they have the Giants pegged at being 3 point underdogs. I'd figure it is just about dead even--or even Giants as 1-2 point favorites.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 27, 2012, 12:36:57 PM
Did anyone see that NFL Films feature the other day on Rob Gronkowski from the AFC CG? I didn't see it, but they were playing clips on the radio yesterday which were absolutely hilarious. To those of you unfamiliar with the Gronk, he's a doofus. I describe him as what I imagine a human/rhinoceros hybrid that loves smoking pot would be like.

Around here the personality the sportscasters are marveling at is Victor Cruz, but for totally different reasons.

He is as one commentator put it, a total "Home Run".
Undrafted, local guy, etc
He's just got the a totally key attitude.
He's refusing to let any of his new notoriety get to his head, he speaks openly about his desire to be a continuing presence in his community, and he seems to speak with sincerity about being humbled by the outpouring of affection he gets from both the fans and his hometown--and how he accepts the responsibility of "role model' to kids etc.

I think if he comes out as a SB hero, and keeps that attitude he will have more $$$ in endorsements than any of the "me-me" players of the league--plus have a "Jeter" like status in the biggest market in the country.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 27, 2012, 12:43:39 PM
Did anyone see that NFL Films feature the other day on Rob Gronkowski from the AFC CG? I didn't see it, but they were playing clips on the radio yesterday which were absolutely hilarious. To those of you unfamiliar with the Gronk, he's a doofus. I describe him as what I imagine a human/rhinoceros hybrid that loves smoking pot would be like.

Around here the personality the sportscasters are marveling at is Victor Cruz, but for totally different reasons.

He is as one commentator put it, a total "Home Run".
Undrafted, local guy, etc
He's just got the a totally key attitude.
He's refusing to let any of his new notoriety get to his head, he speaks openly about his desire to be a continuing presence in his community, and he seems to speak with sincerity about being humbled by the outpouring of affection he gets from both the fans and his hometown--and how he accepts the responsibility of "role model' to kids etc.

I think if he comes out as a SB hero, and keeps that attitude he will have more $$$ in endorsements than any of the "me-me" players of the league--plus have a "Jeter" like status in the biggest market in the country.

He graduated from UMass, my school.

Well, not really, I go to UMass Boston.. but nonetheless.

James Ihedigbo is also a UMass product.. it would be funny if Ihedigbo and Cruz had some sort of battle royale in the secondary which decided the game.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 27, 2012, 01:07:05 PM
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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Jim S on January 27, 2012, 01:12:07 PM
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Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 27, 2012, 02:18:04 PM
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I so want that to be real.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 27, 2012, 02:56:44 PM
I am SOOOOO a New York Football Giants fan.  I watch the game and can identify players by their numbers.  I have been a Giants fan since I was old enough to understand (no, I mean really understand) football.  I was probably ten.  I am 42.  Can't believe I will likely miss it.

Are there other New York Giants sports teams? It's weird, on Madden 12 the announcer always says, "... playing the New York Football Giants."

Sounds weird to me.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 27, 2012, 03:00:31 PM
I am SOOOOO a New York Football Giants fan.  I watch the game and can identify players by their numbers.  I have been a Giants fan since I was old enough to understand (no, I mean really understand) football.  I was probably ten.  I am 42.  Can't believe I will likely miss it.

Are there other New York Giants sports teams? It's weird, on Madden 12 the announcer always says, "... playing the New York Football Giants."

Sounds weird to me.

I think you're talking about Al Michaels. See Al Michaels (and many other sportscasters) think they're being really "classy" when they differentiate between the NY Giants football team and the NY Giants baseball team which hasn't been located in the state of New York since 1957 when it was relocated to San Francisco. It is easily one of the more annoying cliche things that hackneyed sportscasters who've been resting on their laurels for far too long resort to.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 27, 2012, 03:06:24 PM
I am SOOOOO a New York Football Giants fan.  I watch the game and can identify players by their numbers.  I have been a Giants fan since I was old enough to understand (no, I mean really understand) football.  I was probably ten.  I am 42.  Can't believe I will likely miss it.

Are there other New York Giants sports teams? It's weird, on Madden 12 the announcer always says, "... playing the New York Football Giants."

Sounds weird to me.

I think you're talking about Al Michaels. See Al Michaels (and many other sportscasters) think they're being really "classy" when they differentiate between the NY Giants football team and the NY Giants baseball team which hasn't been located in the state of New York since 1957 when it was relocated to San Francisco. It is easily one of the more annoying cliche things that hackneyed sportscasters who've been resting on their laurels for far too long resort to.

Not quite.


"New York Football Giants, Inc." is its legal corporate name.

They never bothered to change it when the baseball team skipped town, and it is common usage among area sportscasters and commentators of all ages.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 27, 2012, 03:19:13 PM
Well, I can't wait to see the New York football Giants score some victory points against the opposing team on their big championship league match.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 27, 2012, 04:11:42 PM
I am SOOOOO a New York Football Giants fan.  I watch the game and can identify players by their numbers.  I have been a Giants fan since I was old enough to understand (no, I mean really understand) football.  I was probably ten.  I am 42.  Can't believe I will likely miss it.

Are there other New York Giants sports teams? It's weird, on Madden 12 the announcer always says, "... playing the New York Football Giants."

Sounds weird to me.

I think you're talking about Al Michaels. See Al Michaels (and many other sportscasters) think they're being really "classy" when they differentiate between the NY Giants football team and the NY Giants baseball team which hasn't been located in the state of New York since 1957 when it was relocated to San Francisco. It is easily one of the more annoying cliche things that hackneyed sportscasters who've been resting on their laurels for far too long resort to.

Not quite.


"New York Football Giants, Inc." is its legal corporate name.

They never bothered to change it when the baseball team skipped town, and it is common usage among area sportscasters and commentators of all ages.

Nonetheless, it's still a pretentious douche thing to do. When I hear someone say "New York Football Giants" I think of some Billy Crystal-esque douche with a tweed jacket with leather elbow patches reminiscing about going to see the Yankees in the 1950s in some Ken Burns: Baseball interview. It's annoying and unnecessary. It's a tool that lazy people use to try to make themselves sound witty and intelligent.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 27, 2012, 05:13:36 PM
I am SOOOOO a New York Football Giants fan.  I watch the game and can identify players by their numbers.  I have been a Giants fan since I was old enough to understand (no, I mean really understand) football.  I was probably ten.  I am 42.  Can't believe I will likely miss it.

Are there other New York Giants sports teams? It's weird, on Madden 12 the announcer always says, "... playing the New York Football Giants."

Sounds weird to me.

I think you're talking about Al Michaels. See Al Michaels (and many other sportscasters) think they're being really "classy" when they differentiate between the NY Giants football team and the NY Giants baseball team which hasn't been located in the state of New York since 1957 when it was relocated to San Francisco. It is easily one of the more annoying cliche things that hackneyed sportscasters who've been resting on their laurels for far too long resort to.

Not quite.


"New York Football Giants, Inc." is its legal corporate name.

They never bothered to change it when the baseball team skipped town, and it is common usage among area sportscasters and commentators of all ages.

Nonetheless, it's still a pretentious douche thing to do. When I hear someone say "New York Football Giants" I think of some Billy Crystal-esque douche with a tweed jacket with leather elbow patches reminiscing about going to see the Yankees in the 1950s in some Ken Burns: Baseball interview. It's annoying and unnecessary. It's a tool that lazy people use to try to make themselves sound witty and intelligent.

I'll have to disagree about the pretense and/or douchiness, but then again I grew up where it was just as common to call them that as it is to call them the G-Men or Big Blue.
Most of the people who I've heard call them "Football Giants"  or the "New York Football Giants"are seriously the last people I'd call pretentious--and they'd interchange it freely with the various nicknames.

I mean it IS the name of the team, for Xenu's sake.

Though there are the old-school Giants Fans who are the Tweed wearing guys are NOT Billy Crystal-esque at all.
More like Westchester/Fairfield county WASPS.
The Giants fanbase (esp season ticket holders) is still well populated with the grey haired upper class East Coast establishment WASPS .
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on January 27, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
Ay least they don't have an annoying song like the Skins and Eagles.

 :vomit:

Henry Hynoski is a local hero.
My SIL works with his mom.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 27, 2012, 11:57:14 PM
Hearing "New York Football Giants" makes me think of the old MNF crew of Cosell and Frank Gifford. Howard would make the "football" part sound ironic, which it was -- because the Giants really sucked back then.

Contrast Berman's "Geeeee men," which makes me want to shoot my television.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 28, 2012, 09:03:05 AM
Hearing "New York Football Giants" makes me think of the old MNF crew of Cosell and Frank Gifford. Howard would make the "football" part sound ironic, which it was -- because the Giants really sucked back then.

Contrast Berman's "Geeeee men," which makes me want to shoot my television.

Berman also says "football Giants" sometimes.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 28, 2012, 07:24:55 PM
Damn the Inside the NFL interview with Lawrence Taylor about getting caught with an underage hooker was very uncomfortable
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on January 28, 2012, 10:34:12 PM
Hearing "New York Football Giants" makes me think of the old MNF crew of Cosell and Frank Gifford. Howard would make the "football" part sound ironic, which it was -- because the Giants really sucked back then.

Contrast Berman's "Geeeee men," which makes me want to shoot my television.

Berman also says "football Giants" sometimes.

Point taken. Everything Berman says makes me want to shoot my television.

On a lighter, slightly less annoying note, Fox Sports has ranked the Super Bowls! Three criteria are considered: quality of play, competitiveness of the game and, yes, "historical significance."

Super Bowl rankings. (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/lists/Super-Bowl-best-games-New-York-Giants-New-England-Patriots-012212#photo-title=Fox%20Sports%20Video%20and%20Photo%20Gallery&photo=)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 30, 2012, 12:11:11 AM
ESPN reporter says John Clayton told her Peyton is likely to retire. Devastating, but it seems like the Colts were going to cut ties with him no matter what, so this is the least painful way for him to go.

See you in Canton in 5 years Peyton. Hopefully Lil' Manning will help keep Brady's claim to being the best of the era down next week.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: stonesean on January 30, 2012, 03:12:39 AM
ESPN reporter says John Clayton told her Peyton is likely to retire. Devastating, but it seems like the Colts were going to cut ties with him no matter what, so this is the least painful way for him to go.

See you in Canton in 5 years Peyton. Hopefully Lil' Manning will help keep Brady's claim to being the best of the era down next week.

Actually, I hope Payton makes the Colts cut him to avoid paying him a $28 bonus that will hit his contract if he's still employed in March.

With all the seeming ill will flying around, it will be interesting to see who blinks first on this one...

I could see Peyton stepping down before the kicker hits in the interest of maintaining good ties with the Colts.  I could also see that 28 million is a hell of a lot of money.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 30, 2012, 05:39:46 AM
Damn the Inside the NFL interview with Lawrence Taylor about getting caught with an underage hooker was very uncomfortable

I liked the part where he flat out said that he wouldn't stop buying prostitutes.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on January 30, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
Damn the Inside the NFL interview with Lawrence Taylor about getting caught with an underage hooker was very uncomfortable

I liked the part where he flat out said that he wouldn't stop buying prostitutes.

I am sure his wife is thrilled to hear it. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 30, 2012, 02:21:25 PM
ESPN reporter says John Clayton told her Peyton is likely to retire. Devastating, but it seems like the Colts were going to cut ties with him no matter what, so this is the least painful way for him to go.

See you in Canton in 5 years Peyton. Hopefully Lil' Manning will help keep Brady's claim to being the best of the era down next week.

Actually, I hope Payton makes the Colts cut him to avoid paying him a $28 bonus that will hit his contract if he's still employed in March.

With all the seeming ill will flying around, it will be interesting to see who blinks first on this one...

I could see Peyton stepping down before the kicker hits in the interest of maintaining good ties with the Colts.  I could also see that 28 million is a hell of a lot of money.

He's probably not getting the 28mil. The Colts are probably going to release him if he doesn't retire soon. If they pay it the cap situation is such that they are tied to him for the next 2-3 years minimum. That means Andrew Luck makes no sense (you can't sit him for that long) so they are all-in on the next 2-3 years.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on January 30, 2012, 03:08:10 PM
ESPN reporter says John Clayton told her Peyton is likely to retire. Devastating, but it seems like the Colts were going to cut ties with him no matter what, so this is the least painful way for him to go.

See you in Canton in 5 years Peyton. Hopefully Lil' Manning will help keep Brady's claim to being the best of the era down next week.

Actually, I hope Payton makes the Colts cut him to avoid paying him a $28 bonus that will hit his contract if he's still employed in March.

With all the seeming ill will flying around, it will be interesting to see who blinks first on this one...

I could see Peyton stepping down before the kicker hits in the interest of maintaining good ties with the Colts.  I could also see that 28 million is a hell of a lot of money.

He's probably not getting the 28mil. The Colts are probably going to release him if he doesn't retire soon. If they pay it the cap situation is such that they are tied to him for the next 2-3 years minimum. That means Andrew Luck makes no sense (you can't sit him for that long) so they are all-in on the next 2-3 years.

I defer to your knowledge of NFL contracts, but my understanding was that the Colts were on the hook for him unless he retired.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on January 30, 2012, 03:35:18 PM
Damn the Inside the NFL interview with Lawrence Taylor about getting caught with an underage hooker was very uncomfortable

I liked the part where he flat out said that he wouldn't stop buying prostitutes.

Maybe it is cheaper for him to buy them than it is to keep renting them.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on January 30, 2012, 08:37:46 PM
I defer to your knowledge of NFL contracts, but my understanding was that the Colts were on the hook for him unless he retired.

The option bonus is worth 28mil and has a non-exercise fee of 28mil, so if the Colts pick up that option, or fail to terminate the contract by the deadline they are on the hook for that money. If they release him or he retires before that deadline they don't owe him any money beyond what they've paid him already, but they will take a cap charge for the money they paid him that hadn't been counted against the cap yet.

Peyton got a 20mil signing bonus for a 5 year deal, so while he got all that money upfront, for cap purposes it's spread evenly over the life of the deal. So they Colts took 4mil of that on this year's cap, leaving 16mil outstanding. That 28mil option bonus is in the 2011 league year, so it also was spread over the life of the contract, meaning the Colts took 1/5th of that against the 2011 cap.

If Peyton is released or retires, they have to take that 16mil against the cap (believe the CBA still allows it to be split over 2 years) but they get a credit for the 1/5th of the option bonus they had charged against the cap, but won't actually pay. So if Peyton is released or retires they have about 10.4mil total in dead cap, probably split between 2012 and 2013.

Less than ideal, but they ate that kind of money ~5 years ago when the Corey Simon signing failed spectacularly and it didn't cripple the team.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: MurphDogg on January 31, 2012, 12:35:58 AM
I defer to your knowledge of NFL contracts, but my understanding was that the Colts were on the hook for him unless he retired.

The option bonus is worth 28mil and has a non-exercise fee of 28mil, so if the Colts pick up that option, or fail to terminate the contract by the deadline they are on the hook for that money. If they release him or he retires before that deadline they don't owe him any money beyond what they've paid him already, but they will take a cap charge for the money they paid him that hadn't been counted against the cap yet.

Peyton got a 20mil signing bonus for a 5 year deal, so while he got all that money upfront, for cap purposes it's spread evenly over the life of the deal. So they Colts took 4mil of that on this year's cap, leaving 16mil outstanding. That 28mil option bonus is in the 2011 league year, so it also was spread over the life of the contract, meaning the Colts took 1/5th of that against the 2011 cap.

If Peyton is released or retires, they have to take that 16mil against the cap (believe the CBA still allows it to be split over 2 years) but they get a credit for the 1/5th of the option bonus they had charged against the cap, but won't actually pay. So if Peyton is released or retires they have about 10.4mil total in dead cap, probably split between 2012 and 2013.

Less than ideal, but they ate that kind of money ~5 years ago when the Corey Simon signing failed spectacularly and it didn't cripple the team.

Great summation.

Here's the deal though:  if he was healthy, they'd pay and draft/sit Luck for probably two years.  But Peyton is still not healthy.  They are waiting until the last possible moment to release him in case he makes a breakthrough.  He's still more likely to sign with the Colts after being released than anywhere else, it just isn't guaranteed they own him.  He's not signing in Eli's Division or City (Jets). 

AFC West:  SD.No   Oak.No   KC.small chance    Denver.in the mix   are either Denver or KC really that much better than Indy
AFC North:  Pitt.No  Cleveland.No (they suck)   Cincy.no (good young QB)    Balt.tiny chance (are they ready to dump Flaco?)
AFC South:  Jacksonville.No (they suck)  Houston.No   Titans.small chance   Indy:why not
AFC East:  Pats.no   Jets.no (same city as Eli)   Dolphins.no (they suck)   Buffalo.no (they really suck)

NFC East:  all.no (Eli's Division)
NFC North:  Bears.no    Lions.no    Packers.no    Vikes.small chance
NFC South:  Saints.no   Bucs.no (they also really suck)    Panthers.no     Falcons.tiny chance (are they ready to dump Matty Ice?)
NFC West:  Cards.no (they are the Cards)   Seattle.small chance    Rams.no    SF.tiny chance (are they dumping Smith?)

Only the Ravens, Falcons, Jets, and 49ers are Superbowl ready with a current marginal QB (Matty Ice's long ball is the worst in the league).  He won't go to the Jets and I don't think the other three on that list are ready to dump younger healthy QB's.  I think Peyton is released and still is in Indy.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 31, 2012, 01:48:20 PM
Note that the 49ers would gladly "give up" on their young quarterback if they had an obviously better option available. (They were really close to signing Hasselbeck at the start of last year.) A completely healthy Manning would be obviously better, but until he plays I don't know that they'd want to take the risk. Maybe if he played one year ahead of Luck injury free that would make a lot of teams more interested, but of course then he'd be a year older.

I think the same applies to the Ravens and Falcons, although I think they're more tied to Flacco and Ryan than the 49ers are to Smith.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on January 31, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
Note that the 49ers would gladly "give up" on their young quarterback if they had an obviously better option available. (They were really close to signing Hasselbeck at the start of last year.) A completely healthy Manning would be obviously better, but until he plays I don't know that they'd want to take the risk. Maybe if he played one year ahead of Luck injury free that would make a lot of teams more interested, but of course then he'd be a year older.

I think the same applies to the Ravens and Falcons, although I think they're more tied to Flacco and Ryan than the 49ers are to Smith.

I can definitely see the '9ers keeping Smith; he's like a brand new guy. So I can see them giving him a few more years.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on January 31, 2012, 05:09:13 PM
I can definitely see the '9ers keeping Smith; he's like a brand new guy. So I can see them giving him a few more years.

Oh, that's their plan. But if a better option comes along they won't hesitate to go that route.

Smith isn't actually that much different than he was in years past, in my opinion. He had better coaches and a better gameplan, and he reduced turnovers by quite a bit (which was partly something he had shown spurts of and partially a product of the coaching/gameplan). Add in some confidence, especially for his teammates, that he was going to be the guy and there was nobody right behind him, and it made for a good year. But what he actually did as a quarterback, good and bad, was what he'd been doing the last 7 years.

Note that the whole team confidence thing is why it would have to be almost a sure thing to bring in somebody better. Harbaugh doesn't want to rock the boat with a quarterback controversy.

At the same time, Harbaugh doesn't seem to mind replacing important veterans with better players. Their starting cornerback of the last few years didn't even make the active roster when he was healthy in the second half of the season, even though his performance wasn't that bad. Braylon Edwards was just cut. If he sees a clearly better QB available, he won't hesitate to make Smith the backup. Right now Manning would probably be the only person that might fit that description, so it will probably end up being Smith anyway.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 03, 2012, 05:20:16 AM
Oh God.. ESPN is going to have an interview with Tim Tebow conducted by #1 Tim Tebow Ball Washer Extraordinaire Skip Bayless. I want to watch it just for the lulz, but I'm not sure if my gag reflex control is strong enough.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 03, 2012, 05:31:33 AM
Skip Bayless: "Explain to me why John Fox and John Elway still aren't treating you with the respect I think you deserve"

MEGA VOMIX
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 03, 2012, 02:41:56 PM
Sorry Joe B, but I'm just really enjoying how stupidly Jim Irsay is handling this whole Peyton situation.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 03, 2012, 04:45:44 PM
Sorry Joe B, but I'm just really enjoying how stupidly Jim Irsay is handling this whole Peyton situation.

I've been writing about the Colts for over 3 years now, and I really just don't know what to say about this situation. Whenever I try to handle anything besides very specific technical questions (like the breakdown above) or draft stuff I end up breaking out the vodka instead of writing anything.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 03, 2012, 04:47:57 PM
I think Peyton knows that Irsay has no plans on keeping him, and he's going to make it as hard as possible on Jim Irsay, especially after Irsay idiotically leaked the retirement rumor to Rob Lowe. Seriously, the argument for team owners not having Twitter accounts, thy name is Jim Irsay.

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 03, 2012, 04:56:00 PM
I don't know. Obviously this kind of situation could screw up a strong relationship, but Irsay and Peyton were clearly on great terms as recently as this fall. I think they are both just frustrated with the situation more than mad at eachother, or at least they use to be.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on February 04, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
Well here we go.
I had the choice, go back today and be at the shop at 8AM tomorrow or stay out and report at 4AM for the closing of the job.
I opted for the second.
This way I can go finish the job (what we call Rigging Down) and be back at the shop in the early afternoon.
I should be able to get home in enough time to shower and nap before the game.
And it gets me hours.  If I go to shop at 8 I will still want to leave by 3 and I lose hours.
The only thing it did was screw the newer guy out of the hours in the field.  He has to go to the shop.
It's unfortunate for him but A. I am senior to him and B. He is an Eagles fan so he can bite it.

Go GIANTS!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on February 04, 2012, 06:13:29 PM
It has happened. I have reached Peyton overload. (Blame ESPN.) I don't give a rat's ass where he goes or what happens to him. He's got money; he'll be fine. My guess is it doesn't matter because neither he nor the Colts will matter next year, or ever.
Now play the game already, please.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 04, 2012, 06:42:12 PM
Patriots will win by 2 scores.  Ballsy claim, I know.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on February 04, 2012, 06:58:57 PM
Patriots will win by 2 scores.  Ballsy claim, I know.

I will be honest. I have my doubts of a victory.  But for some reason the Giants turned it on strong in the last few games.  Eli takes a sack without turning the ball over.  That's the right thing to do.  And young receivers have developed that are amazing so I really think they have a chance of beating the Pats. The Pats are PISSED at the G-men. They lost that historic SB game to them and earlier this year in their own stadium. But this team from NY is strong right now.  The SF fan I spoke of earlier said to me before the playoff game, "49ers by 14."  I told him, "The niners should be scared."   ;)
In this instance I think the Pats should be scared.  Do not underestimate my team*.

* I actually hate when people say "my team" - they don't hold any stock in the team.  They are just fans.  But it was less monotonous to say it this way.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 05, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
I know some of you are already sick of the Peyton saga, but this is a major turn, hopefully.

Quote
AdamSchefter
Peyton Manning is willing to create a contract that would contain no guaranteed money up front and would be incentive laden with bonuses.

If he's willing (and his agent has said before it's possible contrary to previous reports) a major re-working of the contract totally changes the equation with Peyton and the Colts.

Of course that could only be talking about the kind of deal he'd accept from another team if the Colts release him.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: smithkhome on February 05, 2012, 12:30:53 PM
So...it's Super Bowl Sunday!

Where are you watching the game? Party? Bar? At the actual game?!?

I'll be home with the family. I don't have a team in the game, so I'll be rooting for my "squares" to win. :)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 05, 2012, 06:18:33 PM
That was the most soulless and vapid performance of America The Beautiful I've ever seen. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: seamas on February 05, 2012, 09:58:58 PM
That was the most soulless and vapid performance of America The Beautiful I've ever seen.
I agree.

They National Anthem was pretty lame as well

I have seen better at A-level baseball games.


Halftime was lame too.















But GIANTS WIN!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on February 05, 2012, 09:59:28 PM
CHAMPS!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Boßel on February 05, 2012, 11:49:06 PM
CHAMPS!

WOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 06, 2012, 06:48:50 AM
Congrats to the Giants.

I blame 3 people for the Pats loss. 

Wes Welker  Dropped passes

Deion Branch Dropped more passes

Bill Belichick Shitty Defense
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 06, 2012, 10:16:57 AM
Maybe if the Pats weren't paying that choker Brady 15.5mil a year they could afford a D! #DumbPeytonTweetsTurnedOnBrady
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 06, 2012, 11:36:55 AM
Maybe if the Pats weren't paying that choker Brady 15.5mil a year they could afford a D! #DumbPeytonTweetsTurnedOnBrady


I agree.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: teethering on February 06, 2012, 12:15:33 PM
I don't watch Bowls as a rule, however Super they may be.  But I tuned in with a few minutes left to see what's going on.  What I saw was one team letting another team score a touchdown on purpose.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 06, 2012, 01:09:40 PM
I don't watch Bowls as a rule, however Super they may be.  But I tuned in with a few minutes left to see what's going on.  What I saw was one team letting another team score a touchdown on purpose.

They had to.  It took less time off the clock. 

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 06, 2012, 03:37:10 PM
I don't watch Bowls as a rule, however Super they may be.  But I tuned in with a few minutes left to see what's going on.  What I saw was one team letting another team score a touchdown on purpose.

They had to.  It took less time off the clock.

Yep, the Giants were able to run the clock down to nearly nothing then kick an easy FG for the win. Allowing the TD gave them the ball with enough time to score a to win it.

http://www.advancednflstats.com/ (http://www.advancednflstats.com/)

By the numbers here, the Giants had a 93% chance of winning after Bradshaw ran for 7 yards to give them 2nd and 3 from the NE 11 with 1:15 to play. Nicks getting the first down, but running out of bounds, stopping the clock 1:04 lowered that to 89%.

Bradshaw accidentally scoring when the Pats let him in lowered it further to 85% even though it took them from down 2 to up 5 because it gave the Pats the ball back with a minute left, and the 3 points they needed to win had been pretty much in the bag.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 06, 2012, 04:08:14 PM
They could not win with 3 pts.  They needed a TD to win.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on February 06, 2012, 04:36:49 PM
They could not win with 3 pts.  They needed a TD to win.

The Giants would have taken the lead with 3 points, they didn't need a touchdown.

Once the Giants score the touchdown, then the Patriots needed a touchdown to win, but I believe Joe B was talking about the Giants before Bradshaw scored.



I thought the Patriots should have let them score the play before. And rather than let him walk in, they should have gone 100% for the fumble. But those are nitpicks.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on February 06, 2012, 06:53:42 PM
Fact remains...

(http://cdn.hoboken411.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/giants-super-bowl-champions-hoboken-2008.jpg)

Yeah I know that pic is from 2007  :P
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 07, 2012, 09:06:47 AM
I really wish that Brady hadn't thrown that deep ball to Gronkowski.

And fuck Bernard Pollard. If the Patriots ever play a team he's on again I fucking hope that someone cripples that scumbag.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 07, 2012, 09:56:52 AM
I really wish that Brady hadn't thrown that deep ball to Gronkowski.

And fuck Bernard Pollard. If the Patriots ever play a team he's on again I fucking hope that someone cripples that scumbag.

Agreed. 

If the Pats do not shore up their Pass Rush, get a real Long Reciever threat and some actual corners they will be an almost team again.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 07, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
Yeah.

Well, you can't blame this one on the defense. They held the Giants to 19 points, and you can really only count 15 of those points since they had a choice between 7 points and 3 points and they allowed the seven in order to save time for Brady.

Brady pretty much blew the game. He didn't have the idiotic safety on the first possession then the Pats D could have held the Giants to a field goal and it wouldn't have mattered.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 07, 2012, 10:06:43 AM
Yeah.

Well, you can't blame this one on the defense. They held the Giants to 19 points, and you can really only count 15 of those points since they had a choice between 7 points and 3 points and they allowed the seven in order to save time for Brady.

Brady pretty much blew the game. He didn't have the idiotic safety on the first possession then the Pats D could have held the Giants to a field goal and it wouldn't have mattered.

Agreed. However I still blame Welker and Branch and most of all Bellichick most of all.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 07, 2012, 10:56:36 AM
Yeah.

Well, you can't blame this one on the defense. They held the Giants to 19 points, and you can really only count 15 of those points since they had a choice between 7 points and 3 points and they allowed the seven in order to save time for Brady.

Brady pretty much blew the game. He didn't have the idiotic safety on the first possession then the Pats D could have held the Giants to a field goal and it wouldn't have mattered.

Agreed. However I still blame Welker and Branch and most of all Bellichick most of all.

Why?

Why Branch? Because he couldn't catch a bad pass out of bounds? Are you blaming Welker for not making a catch on a badly thrown ball that would have extended the Patriots' second-to-last drive? Are you blaming Belichick for making it to a Super Bowl and the playoffs three straight years in what would--for any other franchise--be a complete rebuilding? Ask Carson Palmer what rebuilding is like. Ask Brett Favre. Ask Elway.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 07, 2012, 11:14:54 AM
On the lighter side:

http://deadspin.com/5882821/we-now-have-the-will-ferrell-old-milwaukee-super-bowl-ad-in-hd-along-with-more-info-about-it (http://deadspin.com/5882821/we-now-have-the-will-ferrell-old-milwaukee-super-bowl-ad-in-hd-along-with-more-info-about-it)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 07, 2012, 01:49:12 PM
http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/103517-giants-parade-fail-what-giants-player-do-you-want-to-see-sanchezzzzzzzzz/ (http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/103517-giants-parade-fail-what-giants-player-do-you-want-to-see-sanchezzzzzzzzz/)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 07, 2012, 03:13:19 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826bdcfb/article/sure-ny-gets-a-parade-but-boston-gets-butterfingers?module=HP11_headline_stack (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826bdcfb/article/sure-ny-gets-a-parade-but-boston-gets-butterfingers?module=HP11_headline_stack)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 07, 2012, 03:25:27 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826bdcfb/article/sure-ny-gets-a-parade-but-boston-gets-butterfingers?module=HP11_headline_stack (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826bdcfb/article/sure-ny-gets-a-parade-but-boston-gets-butterfingers?module=HP11_headline_stack)

I hope we get to embarrass Denver again this coming season. I forget how scheduling works but they have some mechanism whereby they can schedule out-of-conference rivalry games every season which they utilize to schedule a Pats/Colts game every regular season.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 07, 2012, 05:30:01 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826bdcfb/article/sure-ny-gets-a-parade-but-boston-gets-butterfingers?module=HP11_headline_stack (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826bdcfb/article/sure-ny-gets-a-parade-but-boston-gets-butterfingers?module=HP11_headline_stack)

I hope we get to embarrass Denver again this coming season. I forget how scheduling works but they have some mechanism whereby they can schedule out-of-conference rivalry games every season which they utilize to schedule a Pats/Colts game every regular season.
It's not really rivalry games, but it has that effect a lot. Each team plays their own division twice (6 games), a whole division from each conference (8 games) then the remaining two are the teams from the other two divisions in their conference who finished the same rank in their division. So the Colts and Pats kept playing each year because they kept winning their divisions.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on February 07, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
Yeah, there's no mechanism to schedule out of division rivalry games, it's just that the mechanism in place lends itself to that when teams continually win their divisions.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on February 07, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
Yeah.

Well, you can't blame this one on the defense. They held the Giants to 19 points, and you can really only count 15 of those points since they had a choice between 7 points and 3 points and they allowed the seven in order to save time for Brady.

Brady pretty much blew the game. He didn't have the idiotic safety on the first possession then the Pats D could have held the Giants to a field goal and it wouldn't have mattered.

Agreed. However I still blame Welker and Branch and most of all Bellichick most of all.

Why?

Why Branch? Because he couldn't catch a bad pass out of bounds? Are you blaming Welker for not making a catch on a badly thrown ball that would have extended the Patriots' second-to-last drive? Are you blaming Belichick for making it to a Super Bowl and the playoffs three straight years in what would--for any other franchise--be a complete rebuilding? Ask Carson Palmer what rebuilding is like. Ask Brett Favre. Ask Elway.

I was right there with you on the fuck-Pollard thing, but Welker himself admits that was a catchable ball. He makes that catch 99 times out of 100, and he picks the Super Bowl for his one drop. It happens. Look, the Pats were lucky to even be in that game (thanks, Lee Evans), just like the Giants were. Brady's best target was hurt, they had no running game, and they had no deep threat. That's partly bad luck, partly bad planning.
Belichick gets more out of less than any coach in the league, but let's face it: he needs to devote this offseason toward improving his deficient secondary, and getting Brady a legitimate deep threat. The Pats have two picks each in the first two rounds, so it can happen either in free agency or in the draft.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 07, 2012, 11:00:06 PM
Yeah I'm on the Fuck Bernard Pollard train as well. Dude has a long history of injuring other players with dirty hits. In addition to the famous low hit on Brady and the major injury he caused this year that I'm forgetting the details of, he's the one who first fucked up Anthony Gonzalez's legs 3 years ago. He hasn't been healthy since.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 08, 2012, 05:28:24 AM
Yeah I'm on the Fuck Bernard Pollard train as well. Dude has a long history of injuring other players with dirty hits. In addition to the famous low hit on Brady and the major injury he caused this year that I'm forgetting the details of, he's the one who first fucked up Anthony Gonzalez's legs 3 years ago. He hasn't been healthy since.

You mean other than the Gronkowski injury?
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 08, 2012, 11:09:56 AM
That was the one I was thinking of.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on February 08, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
At least Gronk will be ok for next year.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: lukebourassa on February 09, 2012, 11:37:55 AM
Wicked facepalm.

Giants Parade FAIL. What Giants player do you want to see? ... SANCHEZZZZZZZZZ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvTPNMEEGI#)

Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Drunken Idaho on February 09, 2012, 12:49:12 PM
Wicked facepalm.

Giants Parade FAIL. What Giants player do you want to see? ... SANCHEZZZZZZZZZ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvTPNMEEGI#)

lol, awesome.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on February 09, 2012, 03:05:21 PM
LOLOMG

So they had Vince Wilfork miked up during the game and after that holding call against Boothe the ref asked Wilfork if he was held (after the call had been made and the penalty assessed) and Wilfork said "No, that was a bad call, ref."
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: Joe B on February 09, 2012, 04:12:02 PM
Graphic from the NYT about how often players were mentioned by ESPN.

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/newsgraphics/2012/0204-colossi/Colossi-Labels-master.png)

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/04/sports/football/most-mentioned-players-on-espn.html (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/04/sports/football/most-mentioned-players-on-espn.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on March 02, 2012, 04:43:57 PM
N.F.L. Says Saints Had Bounty Program to Injure Opponents (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/sports/football/nfl-says-saints-had-bounty-program-to-injure-opponents.html)

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The bounty was financed by as many as 27 players and administered by the former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who is now the defensive coordinator for the St. Louis Rams. The N.F.L. said that neither Coach Sean Payton nor General Manager Mickey Loomis did anything to stop the bounties when they were made aware of them and the league’s investigation.

Bounties are a violation of N.F.L. rules and could lead to severe sanctions, including suspensions and the forfeiture of draft picks. Commissioner Roger Goodell will decide the discipline. In 2007, as a result of the improper videotaping of opponents’ signals in a case that became known as Spygate, the N.F.L. took away a first-round pick from the New England Patriots and fined Coach Bill Belichick $500,000 and the team an additional $250,000.

“The payments here are particularly troubling because they involved not just payments for ‘performance,’ but also for injuring opposing players,” Goodell said in a statement. “The bounty rule promotes two key elements of N.F.L. football: player safety and competitive integrity. It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of our game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated. We have made significant progress in changing the culture with respect to player safety and we are not going to relent. We have more work to do and we will do it.”


Not cool at all.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on March 02, 2012, 04:49:45 PM
FINALLY! A LEGITIMATE REASON TO HATE THE SAINTS!
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: David E. on March 02, 2012, 05:02:06 PM
They should lose their 1st round pick for this shit. 
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jaypee on March 02, 2012, 05:14:30 PM
Yeah, if Gregg Williams was involved.. I don't know if they'll lose a first round pick. I think that in order for that to happen then Payton would have to have been involved in the program from the get-go, but they'll get heavily punished.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: uolj on March 02, 2012, 06:09:25 PM
Interesting. There was talk about the Giants doing that in the NFC championship game (see here (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/58018/giants-concussion-tactics-vs-kyle-williams)). Hopefully they crack down on it overall.
Title: Re: NFL 2011 thread
Post by: jawmo on March 03, 2012, 10:22:14 AM
Gregg Williams is a piece of work. And no way did the other coaches not know about this shit (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-offered-bounties-for-big-hits-under-former-assistant-coach-gregg-williams/2012/03/02/gIQAH0RlnR_story.html?hpid=z2). I mean, please...

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Washington Redskins offered bounties for big hits under former assistant coach Gregg Williams

By Mark Maske, Published: March 2

The Washington Redskins had a bounty system during the mid-2000s that rewarded players with thousands of dollars for big hits that knocked opponents out of games, a former Redskins coach and five players said Friday.

The program, which was operated under former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams between 2004 and 2007, was similar to one revealed Friday in an National Football League investigation of the New Orleans Saints while Williams was the defensive coordinator there.

Four of the Redskins players described an informal system under which Williams doled out thousands of dollars to Redskins defenders who measured up to his standards for rugged play, including for what one described as “kill shots” that sent opposing teams’ stars to the sideline.

“You got compensated more for a kill shot than you did other hits,” said one former Redskins player, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The former coach, who was an assistant to Williams, said the defensive coordinator would reveal the amount of bounty money available to players as “a little extra incentive.” He said Williams would set the amounts in meetings before big games.

“It was a motivational tool, just like anything you would try to do as a coach to get the most out of players,” the former coach said. “The only thing was, money was involved.”

Players said such compensation, which is against NFL rules, ranged from “hundreds to thousands of dollars,” with the largest sum paid to any player believed to be about $8,000.

“I never took it for anything [but] just incentive to make good, hard plays,” said a current Redskins player, who requested anonymity. “But I’m pretty sure it did entice some guys to do more to a player than normal when it came to taking them out. I mean, that’s cash. Let’s just be honest about it.

“If you took the star player out, he’d hook you up a little bit.”

The revelations came during a period in which the NFL has tightened enforcement of rules and heavily fined violators as part of a campaign to protect players’ safety, particularly from head injuries.

Greg Aiello, the NFL’s senior vice president of communications, said the league was not aware of allegations of a Redskins bounty program under Williams. “No such information came forth in this investigation” of the Saints, Aiello said. He did not comment further.

The Redskins declined to comment through team spokesman Tony Wyllie.

Joe Gibbs, who was head coach during Williams’s tenure in Washington, said he was unaware of the bounty program and would have stopped it if he had known.

“Just let me say this: I’m not aware of anything like this when I was coaching there,” Gibbs said in a telephone interview. “I would never ask a player to hurt another player. Never.”

Of the five Redskins players interviewed, only Phillip Daniels, a former defensive lineman, was willing to be quoted by name. He defended Williams’s coaching.

Daniels, now the Redskins’ director of player development, said he believed Williams began the program with fines collected from players for being late for meetings or practices. “Rather than pocket that money or whatever, he would redistribute it to players who had good games or good practices,” Daniels said.

He said the most he ever received was $1,500 for a four-sack game against the Dallas Cowboys in 2005.

“I think it is wrong the way they’re trying to paint” Williams, Daniels added. “He never told us to go out there and break a guy’s neck or break a guy’s leg. It was all in the context of a good, hard football.”

He acknowledged Williams’s system for awarding players’ cash featured more money for what Williams deemed “physical play.”

“Sean Taylor made a lot,” he said of the hard-hitting safety who was slain in his Miami home in 2007.

The NFL announced Friday that the Saints operated an improper bounty program from 2009 to 2011 that included payments of as much as $1,500 for hits that injured opposing players.

Administered by Williams, now the defensive coordinator for the St. Louis Rams, the Saints’ bounty program paid $1,500 for a “knockout” hit and $1,000 if an opponent was carted off the field, the NFL said. Most of the money was contributed by players, but Williams also donated to the fund, according to the league.

Williams issued an apology about the Saints’ bounty program Friday.

“I want to express my sincere regret and apology to the NFL, [Saints owner Tom] Benson, and the New Orleans Saints fans for my participation in the ‘pay for performance’ program while I was with the Saints,” he said. “It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it. Instead of getting caught up in it, I should have stopped it. I take full responsibility for my role.”

Between 22 and 27 players participated in the Saints’ bounty program, the NFL said. Coach Sean Payton was not a direct participant but was “aware of the allegations” and “failed to stop the bounty program,” according to the league. Benson ordered Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis to halt it, but Looms did not comply, the investigation found.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will determine disciplinary action that, according to the NFL, could include fines, suspensions and the forfeiture of draft choices by the Saints.

“The payments here are particularly troubling because they involved not just payments for ‘performance,’ but also for injuring opposing players,” Goodell said in a written statement released by the league. “The bounty rule promotes two key elements of NFL football: player safety and competitive integrity.

“It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of our game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated.”

Benson pledged the Saints’ full cooperation in the NFL’s investigation. “While the findings may be troubling, we look forward to putting this behind us and winning more championships in the future for our fans,” he said.

Goodell said the investig