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Title: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on May 14, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
I listen to a lot of music while I'm working out, and sometimes my mind tends to wander and I start thinking funny things.  I'll start with one I posted on facebook today.

1. I don't know if it's the warm weather, the sunshine, or the fact that I actually am a badass, but goddamn I feel like a badass right now.

2. Note to self: do not wear grey cotton pants to work out at the gym. You will sweat massively in your crotch and you will look like you pissed yourself. Bonus: you won't notice until you get in front of the mirror at the very end of your 1.5 hour workout to do your last set. At least I had a change of clothes to walk home in.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on May 14, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
1. Hurm, who in their right mind would wear that to a gym? She may as well be wearing a coat of paint. Oh, she is getting on the treadmill facing me. =) Boing boing boing boing boing boing....
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Cognoscento on May 14, 2012, 10:36:22 PM
1. Buuurp. Uugh.  I shouldn't have eaten that habanero shrimp burrito before running an hour on the treadmill. Buuurp uuugggghh.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on May 14, 2012, 10:42:56 PM
1. Buuurp. Uugh.  I shouldn't have eaten that habanero shrimp burrito before running an hour on the treadmill. Buuurp uuugggghh.

One day, someone gave me a container of muscle milk that they didn't want.  I was belching that shit up for 5 hours.  I had the taste of sugar or something sweet in the back of my throat that other meals couldn't squelch.  WTF.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Squarebanks on May 14, 2012, 10:43:17 PM
Heh - look at all of those suckers doing cardio.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on May 16, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
I spent my core workout yesterday thinking I wasn't accomplishing anything.  I couldn't get any of my muscles to tire out and at the end, I picked up a much heavier weight to knock out one more set on my sides and lower back.  I think I must be crazy because today I hurt like mad.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Johnny Slick on May 16, 2012, 03:26:03 PM
I realized that this week is the last week I'm going to be able to use the gym at work to work out at all unless I wake up an hour early... and frankly I don't want to do that as I'm already not getting home from classes until 10:30-11. And, because I haven't been able to work out regularly, my muscles is too sore from Monday to do much today...  :-[
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: khendar on May 16, 2012, 11:18:08 PM
"Why am I the only one who is doing more than 5 minutes on the bike? I've been spinning for 20 minutes and at least three people have come and gone from the bike next to me in that time..."
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daemonowner on May 17, 2012, 12:12:49 AM
Ok.. there we go. 65 push ups in one day... I think that makes about 100 in my life..
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Caffiene on May 17, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
"I should really get around to doing some exercise..."

 :-\
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Cowtown Cody on May 20, 2012, 03:21:12 AM
I don't want to run today.  We run four days a week, but I just don't want to do it so hard.  I don't even want to think about it.

So we'll frame that choice in a more productive way:  Will I be a self-reliant, self-controlling, self-improving member of the most multi-capable species in the known universe, or will I be a shitty, whiny child that everyone knows better than to expect something from?

I'm going for my run.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on May 21, 2012, 10:14:35 AM
Why the hell is my first workout after the first decent sleep in weeks so often complete shit? Seems counter-intuitive to me. Conversely, often when I've had an atrocious night's rest, my workouts are amazing.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Cognoscento on May 21, 2012, 08:03:15 PM
That dude on the treadmill next to me is going 8.1 and I'm only going 8. Hmmm - beep. There, 8.2.

Heh heh heh.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on May 21, 2012, 08:19:20 PM
Hey, good for you, you stupid fat fucking cow, you got your stupid fat ass up on the trampoline to jog for half an hour.  Gee, maybe your hips wouldn't be so stiff if you did this more often, or went walking, you stupid fat fuck.  You look disgusting.  You are disgusting.  You stupid fat fucking cow.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on May 21, 2012, 08:49:17 PM
"Left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot"
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: khendar on May 21, 2012, 08:55:49 PM
"What's with all you muppets in the lap pool? Oh sure lady throw your 5 year old child into the fast lane, that'll teach her to swim better. Dude you've been adjusting your goggles for 6 laps now, either man up and swim without them or GTFO of the way. KEEP TO THE LEFT YOU NUMPTY!. Wow you must be a pro-triathlete with your hand paddles and flippers, doesn't give you the right to slap me on the back of the feet when trying to overtake me in the slow lane. SWIM OR GTFO of the pool! The aquarobics pool is over there!"

In case you can't tell, I had a shitty swimming session yesterday.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daemonowner on May 21, 2012, 09:43:50 PM
Ok.. there we go. 65 push ups in one day... I think that makes about 100 in my life..

I regretted that.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on May 21, 2012, 10:27:24 PM
Hey, good for you, you stupid fat fucking cow, you got your stupid fat ass up on the trampoline to jog for half an hour.  Gee, maybe your hips wouldn't be so stiff if you did this more often, or went walking, you stupid fat fuck.  You look disgusting.  You are disgusting.  You stupid fat fucking cow.

No, you are supposed to think happy thoughts.

Mine for today:  Why does the hot blond chick with the amazing triceps keep smiling at me?  Is it my shirt with the toast spreading jam on itself, am I really that cute when I'm this sweaty, or is my form really that bad?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on May 22, 2012, 01:57:46 AM
Today playing touch football:

"Ouch, fingers aren't supposed to bend that way. Ohh. Not sure what's more embarrassing - angle of finger or the fact that it's tangled in the singlet top being worn by a young lady on the other team."
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Cowtown Cody on May 22, 2012, 06:03:30 PM
Dear gross, horrible spiders who are everywhere again now that it's late spring: please wait to fall from your tree for another quarter of a second so I can run by without you landing on me.  You are gross and I don't like you and you'll definitely die.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on May 22, 2012, 09:02:08 PM
Me, yesterday, doing dumbbell shrugs for the first time:  WTF...these don't feel like they're doing shit.  What a worthless exercise.

Me, today, just hanging out:  OH GOD KILL ME NOW THE PAIN.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on May 22, 2012, 09:08:27 PM
Me, yesterday, doing dumbbell shrugs for the first time:  WTF...these don't feel like they're doing shit.  What a worthless exercise.

Me, today, just hanging out:  OH GOD KILL ME NOW THE PAIN.

I never feel like shrugs are doing anything, I use upright rows and gorilla dumbell pulls
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on May 24, 2012, 08:42:14 AM
Me, yesterday, doing dumbbell shrugs for the first time:  WTF...these don't feel like they're doing shit.  What a worthless exercise.

Me, today, just hanging out:  OH GOD KILL ME NOW THE PAIN.

I never feel like shrugs are doing anything, I use upright rows and gorilla dumbell pulls

I do the upright row and about 12 other shoulder exercises, but there are clearly working something not covered in the others.  I get DOMs pretty easily, apparently.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: WC on May 24, 2012, 11:40:36 AM
Anything I'd tweet from a gym would be, and has been; "I'm surrounded by bastards" and "Idiots".

And the last time I tried texting from my (moving) bike I crashed into a (parked) car. And the time before that I almost ran down another cyclist on a footpath bridge. Now I will never take out my phone or gadget until I've come to a complete stop in a safe location. No exceptions ever. I've even taken to swatting people who drive text.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on May 24, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
Me, yesterday, doing dumbbell shrugs for the first time:  WTF...these don't feel like they're doing shit.  What a worthless exercise.

Me, today, just hanging out:  OH GOD KILL ME NOW THE PAIN.

I never feel like shrugs are doing anything, I use upright rows and gorilla dumbell pulls

I do the upright row and about 12 other shoulder exercises, but there are clearly working something not covered in the others.  I get DOMs pretty easily, apparently.

List of shoulder exercises?

and jesus, how long is your shoulder workout?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on May 24, 2012, 12:24:03 PM
I generally work out for an hour and then spend 45 minutes on the elliptical, 4 days a week.

    Cuban Press (upright row with a barbell):
        30 lb x 10 reps (+26 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+28 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+28 pts)
    Dumbbell Shrug:
        15 lb on each arm x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
    Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press:
        15 lb on each arm x 10 reps (+32 pts)
        15 lb x 8 reps (+30 pts)
        15 lb x 7 reps (+29 pts)
    Front Dumbbell Raise:
        10 lb on each arm x 20 reps (+24 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
    Bent-Over Rear Delt Raise:
        5 lb x 20 reps (+25 pts)  10 reps on left, 10 reps on right
        7.5 lb x 10 reps (+23 pts) 5 reps on left, 5 reps on right
        5 lb x 20 reps (+25 pts)
    Standing Barbell Shoulder Press:
        30 lb x 10 reps (+68 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+73 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+73 pts)
    Cable Crossover:
        10 lb x 10 reps (+10 pts)
        12.5 lb x 10 reps (+11 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+11 pts)
        20 lb x 5 reps (+9 pts)
    Cable Rope Rear-Delt Rows:
        27.5 lb x 10 reps (+12 pts)
        35 lb x 7 reps (+12 pts)
        37.5 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
        40 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
        37.5 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
    Side Lateral Raise:
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts) 10 reps on left, 10 reps on right.
        7.5 lb x 10 reps (+10 pts)
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts)
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts)
        reps are for both left and right arms
    Lat Pulldown:
        70 lb x 10 reps (+24 pts)
        80 lb x 5 reps (+22 pts)
        80 lb x 5 reps (+22 pts)
        70 lb x 10 reps (+24 pts)
    Elliptical Trainer:
        0:45:00 || Intense! (+452 pts)
        143 avg bpm, 469 calories


Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: WC on May 24, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
I have to hit the elliptical religiously twice a day. 45 minutes each time. I usually watch 30 Rock or Community or the previous day's Colbert and Daily Show. Works out just dandy.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on May 24, 2012, 06:01:58 PM
I generally work out for an hour and then spend 45 minutes on the elliptical, 4 days a week.

    Cuban Press (upright row with a barbell):
        30 lb x 10 reps (+26 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+28 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+28 pts)
    Dumbbell Shrug:
        15 lb on each arm x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
    Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press:
        15 lb on each arm x 10 reps (+32 pts)
        15 lb x 8 reps (+30 pts)
        15 lb x 7 reps (+29 pts)
    Front Dumbbell Raise:
        10 lb on each arm x 20 reps (+24 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
    Bent-Over Rear Delt Raise:
        5 lb x 20 reps (+25 pts)  10 reps on left, 10 reps on right
        7.5 lb x 10 reps (+23 pts) 5 reps on left, 5 reps on right
        5 lb x 20 reps (+25 pts)
    Standing Barbell Shoulder Press:
        30 lb x 10 reps (+68 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+73 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+73 pts)
    Cable Crossover:
        10 lb x 10 reps (+10 pts)
        12.5 lb x 10 reps (+11 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+11 pts)
        20 lb x 5 reps (+9 pts)
    Cable Rope Rear-Delt Rows:
        27.5 lb x 10 reps (+12 pts)
        35 lb x 7 reps (+12 pts)
        37.5 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
        40 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
        37.5 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
    Side Lateral Raise:
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts) 10 reps on left, 10 reps on right.
        7.5 lb x 10 reps (+10 pts)
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts)
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts)
        reps are for both left and right arms
    Lat Pulldown:
        70 lb x 10 reps (+24 pts)
        80 lb x 5 reps (+22 pts)
        80 lb x 5 reps (+22 pts)
        70 lb x 10 reps (+24 pts)
    Elliptical Trainer:
        0:45:00 || Intense! (+452 pts)
        143 avg bpm, 469 calories

Why so much?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on May 24, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
I generally work out for an hour and then spend 45 minutes on the elliptical, 4 days a week.

    Cuban Press (upright row with a barbell):
        30 lb x 10 reps (+26 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+28 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+28 pts)
    Dumbbell Shrug:
        15 lb on each arm x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
    Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press:
        15 lb on each arm x 10 reps (+32 pts)
        15 lb x 8 reps (+30 pts)
        15 lb x 7 reps (+29 pts)
    Front Dumbbell Raise:
        10 lb on each arm x 20 reps (+24 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+22 pts)
    Bent-Over Rear Delt Raise:
        5 lb x 20 reps (+25 pts)  10 reps on left, 10 reps on right
        7.5 lb x 10 reps (+23 pts) 5 reps on left, 5 reps on right
        5 lb x 20 reps (+25 pts)
    Standing Barbell Shoulder Press:
        30 lb x 10 reps (+68 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+73 pts)
        40 lb x 10 reps (+73 pts)
    Cable Crossover:
        10 lb x 10 reps (+10 pts)
        12.5 lb x 10 reps (+11 pts)
        15 lb x 10 reps (+11 pts)
        20 lb x 5 reps (+9 pts)
    Cable Rope Rear-Delt Rows:
        27.5 lb x 10 reps (+12 pts)
        35 lb x 7 reps (+12 pts)
        37.5 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
        40 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
        37.5 lb x 5 reps (+11 pts)
    Side Lateral Raise:
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts) 10 reps on left, 10 reps on right.
        7.5 lb x 10 reps (+10 pts)
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts)
        5 lb x 20 reps (+11 pts)
        reps are for both left and right arms
    Lat Pulldown:
        70 lb x 10 reps (+24 pts)
        80 lb x 5 reps (+22 pts)
        80 lb x 5 reps (+22 pts)
        70 lb x 10 reps (+24 pts)
    Elliptical Trainer:
        0:45:00 || Intense! (+452 pts)
        143 avg bpm, 469 calories

Why so much?

My question exactly, you seem to have have multiple exercises that are the same basic movement/work the same muscle(s) in the same way.

All I have for shoulders is:

Military Press
1X8
1X6
1X4

Arnold press
1X8
1X6
1X4

Dumbbell front raise
1X8
1X6
1X4

Dumbbell side raise
1X8
1X6
1X4

Bent-over dumbbell raise
1X8
1X6
1X4

Upright EZ-bar row
1X8
1X6
1X4
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Cognoscento on May 24, 2012, 07:38:34 PM
Why is it that a 10 minute mile feels like it goes by so quickly and a 5:40/mile feels like it takes 3 hours? Is it time dilation?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on May 24, 2012, 08:53:37 PM
I like to do the same movements with different techniques,since they fell like they work the muscles a little differently.  Also, I don't feel like doing half of that is ever enough.  Unless I've completely tired myself out, it doesn't feel right.  I'm very extreme when it comes to physical activity.  I was the only girl I ever saw load trailers at fedex in the 3 years I worked there.  I also kicked most of the guy's asses.  It may have been that job, but I have an amazing amount of endurance for weight lifting, and I expect and love coming home barely able to move.  It usually goes away after an hour anyway.  Today, I did calf raises with the barbell, one legged with a dumbbell, and on the calf extension machine.  They never wore out.  It's really annoying.

My thought for the day (on the elliptical):  Holy hell that fart smelled bad.  It's a good thing the only other people in the gym today is a gay couple.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: khendar on May 25, 2012, 01:33:56 AM
"Wow...Tool is a terrible band to run to. Those odd time signatures make it impossible to get into a rhythm."
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on May 25, 2012, 04:41:19 PM
My question exactly, you seem to have have multiple exercises that are the same basic movement/work the same muscle(s) in the same way.

All I have for shoulders is:

Military Press
1X8
1X6
1X4

Arnold press
1X8
1X6
1X4

Dumbbell front raise
1X8
1X6
1X4

Dumbbell side raise
1X8
1X6
1X4

Bent-over dumbbell raise
1X8
1X6
1X4

Upright EZ-bar row
1X8
1X6
1X4

Haha, lately I've been doing nothing direct for delts.

Seriously, I think they get enough stimulation during chest/back/triceps (obviously I'm referring to pressing movements for triceps. Actually, and for whatever it's worth, about the only thing that gets my delts sore is close-grip bench).

I like to do the same movements with different techniques,since they fell like they work the muscles a little differently.  Also, I don't feel like doing half of that is ever enough.  Unless I've completely tired myself out, it doesn't feel right.  I'm very extreme when it comes to physical activity.  I was the only girl I ever saw load trailers at fedex in the 3 years I worked there.  I also kicked most of the guy's asses.  It may have been that job, but I have an amazing amount of endurance for weight lifting, and I expect and love coming home barely able to move.  It usually goes away after an hour anyway.  Today, I did calf raises with the barbell, one legged with a dumbbell, and on the calf extension machine.  They never wore out.  It's really annoying.

My thought for the day (on the elliptical):  Holy hell that fart smelled bad.  It's a good thing the only other people in the gym today is a gay couple.

But where do you go when the exercises get stale?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on May 25, 2012, 09:19:02 PM
Resting today.  Eating heaps and well.  Restoration.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on June 04, 2012, 06:10:51 AM
"Why does it seem like I am on the treadmill longer when the window is closed as opposed to when the window is opened"

Before I knew it time was up, but I still don't know why it seems slower with the window closed.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on June 04, 2012, 09:08:46 AM
Just finished a week of taking it easy/"de-loading" at the gym. I swear restraining myself is harder than the way I normally train.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on June 11, 2012, 02:56:54 PM
I spent the last two weeks avoiding the gym as migraines and allergies ran me into the ground.  This morning, I got up early, and got jogging to the gym to make sure I'd be there right when it opened.  Unfortunately, no one from the gym was there to open it for nearly an hour and a half.  This isn't the first time this has happened.  I'm starting to wonder if I can turn my entire routine into a home dumbbell routine.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: khendar on June 11, 2012, 08:43:21 PM
I also have been out sick for the last two weeks with a flu and chest infection. I finally got back to it yesterday and put in a half-arsed effort. Going back tonight to make up for it.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on June 12, 2012, 11:03:52 AM
Yes, I'm doing squats in the squat rack with a barbell with big weights on it.  Please stop staring at me.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on June 12, 2012, 11:28:20 AM
Yes, I'm doing squats in the squat rack with a barbell with big weights on it.  Please stop staring at me.

Its because people are scared of squats for some reason
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on June 12, 2012, 11:36:04 AM
That's why you do them in the squat rack.  Then you only look like part of an idiot when you can't come back up.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on June 12, 2012, 01:22:54 PM
Yes, I'm doing squats in the squat rack with a barbell with big weights on it.  Please stop staring at me.

Its because people are scared of squats for some reason

For some reason? Shit, the reason's obvious—working your legs out honestly and properly is painful and horrible!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on June 12, 2012, 01:30:55 PM
:(  I kinda like squats.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on June 12, 2012, 01:37:43 PM
:(  I kinda like squats.

Jesus, no need for a frown, that's a blessing! I semi-dread working out legs because it's so intense and painful. They have some of the biggest, most powerful muscle groups on the body, so can handle a lot of work, which means you have to dig deep to give them anywhere near a thorough taxing.

Feels good at the end knowing you put the effort in, though.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on June 12, 2012, 06:14:24 PM
I love squats, nothing like putting a couple hundred pounds on your back and making it your bitch
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on June 13, 2012, 04:18:22 AM
I love squats, nothing like putting a couple hundred pounds on your back and making it your bitch

Aren't you a powerlifter? Shouldn't that be a couple couple hundred? :)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on June 16, 2012, 04:08:07 AM
I haven't been training for at least six months and started back last week.

I took it easy yet I had DOMs.

Yesterday I did my first back work out with dead lifts. I had been lifting quite a bit, I can't remember exactly what it was, I think I had maxed out at around 110 kg.

Anyway, after a few heavy sets of 70 and 90, I ended up doing 100 kg for two reps, and even though it felt fairly easy, I stopped  as I know it is easy to completely smash up your CNS with heavy lifting, and I was a bit shocked at how easy it was this time.

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Johnny Slick on June 16, 2012, 02:44:38 PM
I took off of squats for about a month due to my knee feeling off and, predictably, I am still feeling it 3 days later. I HATE SQUATS  >:(

Also, I made a point of working my upper body a lot, lot harder than I have been in the recent past. I went with the 8x6x4 methodology others have used because it was high time for me to change my workout progress and for the first time in a while I'm feeling it in my upper body, too.

Friday's workout was...

45 mins, um, cardio (walking on a treadmill, 4mph, alternating between 3 degrees and 15 degrees... SHUT UP RUNNERS AND CYCLISTS IT MAKES ME TIRED AND GETS MY HEART RATE UP)

Seated rows 8x6x4
Standing dumbell shoulder press 8x6x4 (as I've noted elsewhere I do them standing because I kill my form when I'm sitting)

Dumbell flys 8x6x4
Shrugs (or whatever you call it) 8x6x4

Dumbell curls 8x6x4 (using barely any weight... my biceps look like that Bugs Bunny cartoon)
Triceps pulldowns 8x6x4

I probably could have added 100 or so crunches at the end but I keep getting conflicting information on those...
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Post by: Plastiq on June 16, 2012, 03:07:57 PM
I took off of squats for about a month due to my knee feeling off and, predictably, I am still feeling it 3 days later. I HATE SQUATS  >:(

Might pay to double check your form—changing the emphasis slightly (quad dominant squat: much more knee stress) has a large effect on the stress on my knees. I keep recommending this series (http://goo.gl/Eob7e) lately, but it's worth a look.
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Post by: AQB24712 on June 16, 2012, 03:32:33 PM
So today I finally decided to get up off my big round ass and go for a walk after too long off.  Ugh.  My pedometer's battery was dead.  My iPod was totally uncharged.  My bruised shin (although better) was very sore.  My arthritic foot really hurt.  My hips were stiff.  I got blisters.  (Note to self: continue search for better socks.)  Even though I had a water bottle, I still felt a little headachy-dehydrated when I got home.

Glad I went?  Yes.  I walked about three miles, maybe a little more.  I sucked down a lot of water, ate a big piece of watermelon, and stretched my hips.  It'll get better.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on June 16, 2012, 03:40:49 PM
I took off of squats for about a month due to my knee feeling off and, predictably, I am still feeling it 3 days later. I HATE SQUATS  >:(

Might pay to double check your form—changing the emphasis slightly (quad dominant squat: much more knee stress) has a large effect on the stress on my knees. I keep recommending this series (http://goo.gl/Eob7e) lately, but it's worth a look.
I hurt my knee from walking, not squatting. I just stopped squatting because I didn't want to exacerbate the injury. As it happened, it felt worse after the inclined walk (although still not that bad) than it did after the squats.

I'm sure I'm not doing great form - most of all I'm not getting low enough - but in spite of the lack of full range of motion the squats are doing what they're supposed to do, if what they're supposed to do is make your entire lower body hurt for several days.
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Post by: Plastiq on June 16, 2012, 03:44:37 PM
I hurt my knee from walking, not squatting.

Oh, shit.
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Post by: Shane Dopson on June 18, 2012, 07:00:50 PM
The last wile I have been getting my exercise lifting 7 and 4yo. ;D
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Post by: AQB24712 on June 18, 2012, 08:28:21 PM
Lift with your legs, man!
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Post by: Johnny Slick on June 18, 2012, 11:03:47 PM
My main issue with squats appears to have been that I had my legs too far apart. So good news: I was able to get all the way down much of the time. The bad news: SWEET MARY MOTHER OF JESUS MY QUADS.
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Post by: Plastiq on June 20, 2012, 02:46:44 PM
Not enough sleep last night, crappy tired run to gym, shitty first warm-up set, second warm-up set felt weak, first work set was a PR, second second work set another PR, rest of the workout kicked ass (even though I felt tired). It's strange how often this happens to me.
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Post by: Gerbig on June 20, 2012, 03:12:22 PM
I love squats, nothing like putting a couple hundred pounds on your back and making it your bitch

Aren't you a powerlifter? Shouldn't that be a couple couple hundred? :)

Nah, im not there yet lol.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 21, 2012, 03:42:08 AM
First proper hangs on the chinnup bar in eight months.  eccentric chinnups (lowers, really, from a completed chinnup position)  went ok.  can't wait to be hanging a kettlebell between the legs again.  the eccentric dips were a bit scarier.
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Post by: quokka on June 21, 2012, 04:01:53 AM
First proper hangs on the chinnup bar in eight months.  eccentric chinnups (lowers, really, from a completed chinnup position)  went ok.  can't wait to be hanging a kettlebell between the legs again.  the eccentric dips were a bit scarier.

Well done. I'm building the muscle back up in the shoulder now - lots of light free weights, but I still can't bench press much with the ribs giving me the shits. I am a bit amazed how quickly you recover after you start exercising, it seems like everything has stalled, then you start using your shoulder and 2 weeks later you're back on the bike.
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Post by: stretcher on June 21, 2012, 05:44:55 AM
An hour on the bike flies by when you're watching shows you really enjoy.
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Post by: Tatyana on June 21, 2012, 07:46:08 AM
The last wile I have been getting my exercise lifting 7 and 4yo. ;D

I picked up my mates' huge year old baby boy the other day, and he felt so much heavier than his actual kilos.

Kids are just hard work.

Biceps and shoulders today, most of the workout was with an Olympic bar.

Military press, which I love, 30 kg/66 lbs, wide grip upright rows, barbell curl, lateral raises, hammer and preacher curls.

I should really dig out my training journal to see what weight I did get up to with military press.

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Post by: Samhain on June 21, 2012, 11:09:33 AM
The last wile I have been getting my exercise lifting 7 and 4yo. ;D

I picked up my mates' huge year old baby boy the other day, and he felt so much heavier than his actual kilos.

Kids are just hard work.

Biceps and shoulders today, most of the workout was with an Olympic bar.

Military press, which I love, 30 kg/66 lbs, wide grip upright rows, barbell curl, lateral raises, hammer and preacher curls.

I should really dig out my training journal to see what weight I did get up to with military press.

I love the standing military press. Got up to 155 lbs for reps at one point.  I remember when I was in university there was a bodybuilder at the gym there who would bang out 10 reps with 225 lbs.  Perfect form as well.  It was amazing to watch.
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Post by: DG on June 21, 2012, 07:29:28 PM
On topic since it was a thought while out jogging:

"I should get a heart rate monitor to see how hard I'm working" - query: what do others think?

Due to previous issues with anxiety I am a little reluctant to get one (If I have had anxiety issues about having a heart attack, tracking my heart may be counter productive in my recovery). But I do find myself wondering if I would lose weight quicker if I tracked by progress, and kept my heart rate in the right range (given that my major consideration is weight loss - 25kgs down another 10/15 to go).
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Post by: Karyn on June 21, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
I use a heart rate monitor when I'm doing cardio.  It helps me understand how I feel when I'm in my target heart range, and when I'm hitting my max.  I also find it fascinating to see how my heart rate reacts to high intensity intervals.  I used to have anxiety problems, and I also used to take a medication that intentionally kept my heart rate low.  It's been interesting to see how my heart rate has changed as I've taken more or less of various drugs.  A personal trainer I had a few years ago insisted I wear a heart rate monitor, but she was working with me to lose weight.  I'm not sure I really use the information for anything other than curiosity.  They are cheap, though.
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Post by: khendar on June 21, 2012, 08:31:10 PM
Lately I've been designing something in my head during my workouts. I have to build a hidden locking mechanism for a wooden board-game type thing that I've been building. When I get home I translate the design into a google sketchup model. Getting close to finishing now, almost time to go buy stuff and start building.
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Post by: Samhain on June 21, 2012, 11:21:57 PM
On topic since it was a thought while out jogging:

"I should get a heart rate monitor to see how hard I'm working" - query: what do others think?

Due to previous issues with anxiety I am a little reluctant to get one (If I have had anxiety issues about having a heart attack, tracking my heart may be counter productive in my recovery). But I do find myself wondering if I would lose weight quicker if I tracked by progress, and kept my heart rate in the right range (given that my major consideration is weight loss - 25kgs down another 10/15 to go).

If you have health anxiety about heart attacks, I say don't get a heart rate monitor.  I have benign ectopic beats and put myself in a bad bad place with a heart rate monitor.  Haven't used one for four years.....don't miss it.
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Post by: DG on June 22, 2012, 01:18:21 AM
On topic since it was a thought while out jogging:

"I should get a heart rate monitor to see how hard I'm working" - query: what do others think?

Due to previous issues with anxiety I am a little reluctant to get one (If I have had anxiety issues about having a heart attack, tracking my heart may be counter productive in my recovery). But I do find myself wondering if I would lose weight quicker if I tracked by progress, and kept my heart rate in the right range (given that my major consideration is weight loss - 25kgs down another 10/15 to go).

If you have health anxiety about heart attacks, I say don't get a heart rate monitor.  I have benign ectopic beats and put myself in a bad bad place with a heart rate monitor.  Haven't used one for four years.....don't miss it.

Yeah. That's the way I am thinking at the moment. I want it to make sure that I am training in a good zone. But then I consider that I must be doing something right to have lost 25kgs (55lbs).

I'm pretty much 'recovered' from my anxiety - which is to say that I can go for a 5km run/jog (30 minute jog /23 minute run) and not worry about it (I'll think about it and feel the desire to check my pulse, but not panic like I did 12 months ago). I do still have bad days, especially if I have done a bit of work with the medicine ball or push-ups/dips and have genuine shoulder/chest pain.

Seeing my heart rate may be a good thing, but then it could be a very bad thing. I think I'll defer it for another 12 months or so and see how I am going then. You make a good point, there's little benefit to be gained, and quite a reasonable risk.
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Post by: quokka on June 22, 2012, 03:30:44 AM
On topic since it was a thought while out jogging:

"I should get a heart rate monitor to see how hard I'm working" - query: what do others think?

Due to previous issues with anxiety I am a little reluctant to get one (If I have had anxiety issues about having a heart attack, tracking my heart may be counter productive in my recovery). But I do find myself wondering if I would lose weight quicker if I tracked by progress, and kept my heart rate in the right range (given that my major consideration is weight loss - 25kgs down another 10/15 to go).

I grabbed a heart rate monitor because I had know idea how far I was pushing myself. I was actually a bit worried when I would stop and feel like my heart was going to blow out my ears; as it turned out I just needed to harden up. When I started wearing a monitor it turned out at the point I thought I was at 185 BPM, I was actually doing 165 - 170, so I had a fair idea that I could keep up what I was doing for a bit longer.
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Post by: Plastiq on June 22, 2012, 04:20:28 AM
On topic since it was a thought while out jogging:

"I should get a heart rate monitor to see how hard I'm working" - query: what do others think?

Due to previous issues with anxiety I am a little reluctant to get one (If I have had anxiety issues about having a heart attack, tracking my heart may be counter productive in my recovery). But I do find myself wondering if I would lose weight quicker if I tracked by progress, and kept my heart rate in the right range (given that my major consideration is weight loss - 25kgs down another 10/15 to go).

I grabbed a heart rate monitor because I had know idea how far I was pushing myself. I was actually a bit worried when I would stop and feel like my heart was going to blow out my ears; as it turned out I just needed to harden up. When I started wearing a monitor it turned out at the point I thought I was at 185 BPM, I was actually doing 165 - 170, so I had a fair idea that I could keep up what I was doing for a bit longer.

You just stop after being at a 165-170 BPM heart rate? No wonder it feels uncomfortable.
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Post by: quokka on June 22, 2012, 06:22:02 AM
"ll be riding up a steep incline thinking to myself, "if I don't stop, I'm going to die". With the HRM, I can now say to myself, "It's only 165, now harden up, you should be able to keep climbing up that hill for another couple of minutes".
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Post by: Tatyana on June 22, 2012, 08:06:44 AM
On topic since it was a thought while out jogging:

"I should get a heart rate monitor to see how hard I'm working" - query: what do others think?

Due to previous issues with anxiety I am a little reluctant to get one (If I have had anxiety issues about having a heart attack, tracking my heart may be counter productive in my recovery). But I do find myself wondering if I would lose weight quicker if I tracked by progress, and kept my heart rate in the right range (given that my major consideration is weight loss - 25kgs down another 10/15 to go).

I love my heart rate monitor, but you can also get an app for your phone, for example, I love Nike+GPS (or you can get their little sensor that works with an ipod), and from your weight, pace, age, sex, distance, it can calculate the calories you burn.

It isn't as precise as using a heart rate monitor, but it will give you a figure that is somewhere in the area of how many calories you burn.

I also saw runtastic app recently, it also looks really good.

I think you can also get Garmin running watches, and if you don't get the chest strap, all it is going to do is distance and pace, and it might also calculate the calories burned.

I only used the free version of 'itrack my run' and one other, I didn't like them at all.

The app might be the cheapest and alternate option to a heart rate monitor.
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Post by: Plastiq on June 22, 2012, 08:46:06 AM
I took off of squats for about a month due to my knee feeling off and, predictably, I am still feeling it 3 days later. I HATE SQUATS  >:(

Also, I made a point of working my upper body a lot, lot harder than I have been in the recent past. I went with the 8x6x4 methodology others have used because it was high time for me to change my workout progress and for the first time in a while I'm feeling it in my upper body, too.

Friday's workout was...

45 mins, um, cardio (walking on a treadmill, 4mph, alternating between 3 degrees and 15 degrees... SHUT UP RUNNERS AND CYCLISTS IT MAKES ME TIRED AND GETS MY HEART RATE UP)

Seated rows 8x6x4
Standing dumbell shoulder press 8x6x4 (as I've noted elsewhere I do them standing because I kill my form when I'm sitting)

Dumbell flys 8x6x4
Shrugs (or whatever you call it) 8x6x4

Dumbell curls 8x6x4 (using barely any weight... my biceps look like that Bugs Bunny cartoon)
Triceps pulldowns 8x6x4

I probably could have added 100 or so crunches at the end but I keep getting conflicting information on those...

You know, I have no idea what you mean by the AxBxC format. At first I though it was reps x sets x exercises, but that doesn't make any sense.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 22, 2012, 03:05:52 PM
"ll be riding up a steep incline thinking to myself, "if I don't stop, I'm going to die". With the HRM, I can now say to myself, "It's only 165, now harden up, you should be able to keep climbing up that hill for another couple of minutes".

One must "personalise" (sorry) the numbers.  I commonly find myself in the 160's which is well above my theoretical max. I like mine when racing (knowing when to back off) but I don't really think it is much benefit for training the recreational athlete.
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Post by: quokka on June 22, 2012, 10:28:14 PM
I love my heart rate monitor, but you can also get an app for your phone, for example, I love Nike+GPS (or you can get their little sensor that works with an ipod), and from your weight, pace, age, sex, distance, it can calculate the calories you burn.

It isn't as precise as using a heart rate monitor, but it will give you a figure that is somewhere in the area of how many calories you burn.

I think you can also get Garmin running watches, and if you don't get the chest strap, all it is going to do is distance and pace, and it might also calculate the calories burned.

I just brought a Garmin 910xt last night to replace the girlfriends Nike+ watch. She likes the Nike+, but finds the satellite pickup is slow and the Nike+ page is limited. There is also no function to adjust for riding or swimming.
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Post by: quokka on June 22, 2012, 10:33:23 PM
"ll be riding up a steep incline thinking to myself, "if I don't stop, I'm going to die". With the HRM, I can now say to myself, "It's only 165, now harden up, you should be able to keep climbing up that hill for another couple of minutes".

One must "personalise" (sorry) the numbers.  I commonly find myself in the 160's which is well above my theoretical max. I like mine when racing (knowing when to back off) but I don't really think it is much benefit for training the recreational athlete.

I disagree. Most of us recreational types still like to max out every now and then and have an idea of what we are doing. Using HR also helps with calculating calories burnt which can be a great motivational tool for most of us.
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Post by: Tatyana on June 22, 2012, 10:35:40 PM
I love my heart rate monitor, but you can also get an app for your phone, for example, I love Nike+GPS (or you can get their little sensor that works with an ipod), and from your weight, pace, age, sex, distance, it can calculate the calories you burn.

It isn't as precise as using a heart rate monitor, but it will give you a figure that is somewhere in the area of how many calories you burn.

I think you can also get Garmin running watches, and if you don't get the chest strap, all it is going to do is distance and pace, and it might also calculate the calories burned.

I just brought a Garmin 910xt last night to replace the girlfriends Nike+ watch. She likes the Nike+, but finds the satellite pickup is slow and the Nike+ page is limited. There is also no function to adjust for riding or swimming.

I have a Polar HRM, I use the Nike+ GPS app on my iphone for things like distance and pace, not the watch.

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Post by: quokka on June 22, 2012, 10:50:05 PM
Ah, I see. Neither of us have progressed to smart phones yet. Although I did go for a jog around the oval the other night and wanted to see the distance of one lap, so I grabbed my tablet. The kids hanging around the stands thought it was hilarious seeing this man running around with a huge glowing plate in his hand.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 23, 2012, 04:04:31 PM
"ll be riding up a steep incline thinking to myself, "if I don't stop, I'm going to die". With the HRM, I can now say to myself, "It's only 165, now harden up, you should be able to keep climbing up that hill for another couple of minutes".

One must "personalise" (sorry) the numbers.  I commonly find myself in the 160's which is well above my theoretical max. I like mine when racing (knowing when to back off) but I don't really think it is much benefit for training the recreational athlete.

I disagree. Most of us recreational types still like to max out every now and then and have an idea of what we are doing. Using HR also helps with calculating calories burnt which can be a great motivational tool for most of us.

If one is not caught up in the moment, it's pretty easy to guess (to close enough) what one's hr is.  And for "burning" calories...  If you can easily chat on the bike, the jog, or the uphill march, one is in their "fat burning zone", for whatever that's worth. 

The only people I know that worry about how many calories they are eating ar either overweight (and never get any leaner) or my multisport friends that are trying to figure out how to carry enough to fuel serious exercise over several days.
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Post by: Tatyana on June 30, 2012, 06:02:34 AM
This week I improved upon my dead lift from last week, I did 100 kg/220 lbs for four reps, and 110 kg/242 lbs for two reps.

I also managed to squat 80 kg/176 lbs for about 6 reps, but this isn't anywhere close to my best.

Oh yes, and I am up to 5 km on the running again, even though my legs felt like lead the day after the dead lifts.

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Post by: lonely moa on June 30, 2012, 03:25:42 PM
Two days in the snow (avalanche sarex and a lovely ski tour with friends) have left my legs like mush.  What great days.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 03, 2012, 12:20:56 AM
Chainsaw day with my beautiful wife.  The eucalypt rounds are up to twenty kgs.  Loading them into the ute seems to be deadlifts, squats, bent over rows and the odd horizontal press.  The saw is just tiring.
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Post by: Plastiq on July 03, 2012, 08:38:15 AM
Chainsaw day with my beautiful wife.

That's one way to sort out a tiff.
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Post by: Karyn on July 03, 2012, 10:04:21 AM
I certainly feel like I'm forming callouses.  So why are my hands still baby-butt smooth?
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Post by: AQB24712 on July 03, 2012, 10:09:42 AM
Because the calluses are below the surface?  Is that possible?  The layers of skin below the epidermis could be thickening?  Why, it might be time to call My Mother the Physiologist!
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Post by: Plastiq on July 03, 2012, 10:22:05 AM
I certainly feel like I'm forming callouses.  So why are my hands still baby-butt smooth?

I scratched my face with mine the other day. :(
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Post by: DG on July 05, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
I sprained my ankle and haven't been able to run for a week. I never thought that I would say this:

Quote
I miss running.
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Post by: quirk3k on July 05, 2012, 10:19:06 PM
Tonight was my first run in two weeks. I got into a bicycle accident and banged my knee up.

I went for a run with a knee brace and added 5 minutes to my 5K time  >:( >:( >:( I was huffing and puffing like it was my first run ever.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on July 06, 2012, 06:50:49 AM
I went for a run with a knee brace and added 5 minutes to my 5K time  >:( >:( >:( I was huffing and puffing like it was my first run ever.

After two weeks?
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Post by: Anders on July 06, 2012, 07:01:33 AM
Cat Workout
Wake up.
Stand up.
Stretch back.
Lie down.
Go back to sleep.
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Post by: DG on July 06, 2012, 05:35:45 PM
I went for a run with a knee brace and added 5 minutes to my 5K time  >:( >:( >:( I was huffing and puffing like it was my first run ever.

After two weeks?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll be the same. I wont be doing 23minute 5km. I'll be lucky to do it in 30 (assuming another week before I can run)...
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Post by: quirk3k on July 06, 2012, 07:27:54 PM
I went for a run with a knee brace and added 5 minutes to my 5K time  >:( >:( >:( I was huffing and puffing like it was my first run ever.

After two weeks?

What can I say. I was feeling super stiff and I was nervous about my knee. I think I didn't have good form and that only added to the exhaustion. I think I'm gonna try again tonight if the temp manages to slip down below 80°F.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 07, 2012, 04:03:35 AM
A nice day out on skis.  A thousand metres up and a thousand down.  A beautiful day, pity the snow was, er, difficult.  Lovely company, though.
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Post by: Tatyana on July 07, 2012, 07:34:47 AM
I certainly feel like I'm forming callouses.  So why are my hands still baby-butt smooth?

Why would you want callouses?

Get some gloves and/or lifting straps. Schiek does the best ones IMHO.

I had callouses, then they end up pinching and hurting so much they interfere with lifting.

Today, I managed to squat 90 kg/198 lb for three reps in total.

I am still not at my max, but I am increasing the weight quite quickly.

 
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Post by: Tatyana on July 07, 2012, 07:36:32 AM
Tonight was my first run in two weeks. I got into a bicycle accident and banged my knee up.

I went for a run with a knee brace and added 5 minutes to my 5K time  >:( >:( >:( I was huffing and puffing like it was my first run ever.

If you are a super responder, that will change really quickly.

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Post by: quirk3k on July 07, 2012, 07:49:30 AM
I did go for that second run last night. I felt much better, but I was still super slow. It was ~95°F at 9PM. It's hard to run in heat like that.

I weighted myself before and after (kind of a test). I lost 3.2lbs in 5K. I even drank my full running water bottle of water (12oz or .75lbs) during the run.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 13, 2012, 03:53:14 AM
I weighed one of the rounds my beautiful wife and I were splitting today.  20kg.  some heavier, some lighter.  Probably 15 tonnes all up.  She was pretty able to get her share on the table.  Me, well, I had cut every one of those rounds already.  I am stuffed.
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Post by: quirk3k on July 13, 2012, 10:45:38 PM
I've got my bicycle in working order again. I bent the crank in the spill I took a couple of weeks ago. I like biking so much more than running!
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Post by: AQB24712 on July 15, 2012, 09:45:17 PM
I went for a walk before dinner, about 3.75 miles (I think I need to recalibrate my pedometer) (not a euphemism), the last mile or so in a cool downpour, which was kind of fun. 

The grooviest thing, though, was that I got to test a hypothesis.  I'd been vexed that my nice Merrell hikers, so kind to my arthritic metatarsal, were giving me blisters, but only in the summer.  It occurred to me that perhaps a nice thick swipe of a solid antiperspirant would both lessen the friction from summer-swollen feet and sweaty socks—and I thought of this long before I heard on "The People's Pharmacy" on Saturday that this technique had even been tested, and found successful, at West Point.  It worked a treat, which is very exciting.  Blisters are no fun.
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Post by: Karyn on July 15, 2012, 10:57:33 PM
I'm going to get in three lifting days this week, damnit!  One of the things I liked about training in muscle groups was the ability to lift weights any random day of the week.  Starting Strength wants you to make sure and rest between days.  It's amazing how difficult it becomes with a 48 hour constraint on working out.  It would help if I didn't drink during the work week.
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Post by: David "Stubb" Oswald on July 16, 2012, 01:18:02 AM
I started lifting seriously a few months back. I am at the point now I can feel all the muscles I am using through the lift. That hasn't happened before. I also don't get very sore the next day regardless of how hard I push myself. Instead I feel a little sore for three days latter. I like this better.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 19, 2012, 02:40:27 PM
The right shoulder is playing catch-up left.  The rather pitiful ohp's are rather funny to watch.  That dreadful mirror tells me that my suprispinatus is no longer what it was.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on July 22, 2012, 02:47:47 AM
first pullups on the surgery... after eight months.  stoppped at five.  careful now.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Samhain on July 26, 2012, 06:27:13 PM
Just started running again after a few month lay off.  Found a 6 km route with some good hills.  The below is all the same route. 

First run: Tuesday - 45 minutes - hard run.
                Thursday - 44 minutes - still hard
                Sunday - 40 minutes - feeling not as hard.
                Tuesday - 33 minutes - was a little blown away by the improvement               
                Thursday 32 minutes - and it felt pretty good the whole way.               
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: quirk3k on July 26, 2012, 09:12:27 PM
73 minute bike ride. My knee felt a bit sore afterwards, but I'm really happy  :laugh:
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on July 27, 2012, 12:05:59 AM
Today, for the first time ever I got lost in my own head while running. I've been told that it happens to everyone who takes up running, the body gets into autopilot and your brain can drift off into dreamy, dream land. No idea what I was thinking about now, but I remember that I started following a train of thought and went off on a number of tangents, next thing I noticed I was another km or so along my path.

Either that or I had some type of seizure/black out while running.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on July 31, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
I've managed to convince my significant other to come to the gym with me at 5am to do the Starting Strength program.  He's never been one for weight training, but he's always been active.  He rides his bike to work nearly every day.  I encouraged it because the squat rack safety bars are too high for me to do a full squat in the rack, and I'm getting to the level in the program where I could push myself a lot harder with a spotter, and make better gains.  So far it's working out well.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on August 06, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
Hmmm, must remember to eat before/after running.

Back in the office 30 minutes or so after a good run. Got on the phone to a client and I couldn't get the brain cells to fire at all; I'm sure I came across as completely incapable of doing my job. Fortunately I have worked with this person for some years and they know what to expect from me, but had it been someone else... that could have been rather embarrassing.

I'm off for a chicken, lettuce and mayo roll.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on August 11, 2012, 04:57:19 AM
I had such a nice ride today.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on August 16, 2012, 08:42:57 AM
Business end of the football season and I've been asked to step up a few divisions since the goalkeeper for the top team is out for the rest of the season & finals. Had to do a trial with the team tonight to make sure I made the cut.

My thought : "This is why I love goal keeping.".

2 hours later dragged myself off the pitch sweating and sore. Working hard against quality opposition, I'm surprised how much I really miss it...
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 16, 2012, 01:43:50 PM
I'm pretty sure there aren't any goalkeepers in football. I'm pretty sure you mean "safety".
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on August 16, 2012, 03:16:34 PM
 slightly naughty solo ski tour.  nice weather.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on August 16, 2012, 03:50:02 PM
I'm pretty sure there aren't any goalkeepers in football. I'm pretty sure you mean "safety".

You're doing it wrong! Hell the ball's not even the right shape. Although, the role is pretty much the same - stop the ball from floating into a reasonable sized area behind you (either batting it away or, ideally, catching it).

I'm a little surprised that I knew what a safety was (even If my description of their tactical play was completely wrong).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on August 16, 2012, 05:54:06 PM
Why does walking 3 miles up the side of a mountain make my legs into jello, when I've been lifting weights and running regularly for a year.  How do those curlbros in front of me, with their young bodies and stick legs, manage to go so much faster than me?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on August 16, 2012, 06:44:36 PM
Why does walking 3 miles up the side of a mountain make my legs into jello, when I've been lifting weights and running regularly for a year.  How do those curlbros in front of me, with their young bodies and stick legs, manage to go so much faster than me?

I was a alpine climbing guide for 25 years and when I saw in the applications "runs marathons" it was a sign that person would struggle.  The adatations our body makes for running are not the ones we make for walking up hills.  Adding a 15 kg rucksack sorts out the unpracticed.  There is nothing for it but to "walk up hills". 

I stay ahead of nearly everyone I go out with and they are often less than half my age... I think there may be some skill involved as well.

Lifting weights is for power, not hill walking.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on August 17, 2012, 02:20:04 AM
Cycling on the back roads here are such a self indulgence. 
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on August 18, 2012, 02:06:18 AM
Another glorious day out ski touring, and there was enough energy for sixty odd turns on perfect 40° corn at the far end of the tour.  Yum.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 18, 2012, 03:16:06 AM
Why does walking 3 miles up the side of a mountain make my legs into jello, when I've been lifting weights and running regularly for a year.  How do those curlbros in front of me, with their young bodies and stick legs, manage to go so much faster than me?
If it helps at all, the reverse is true as well. I walk the shit out of Belleve/Redmond/Kirkland/Renton but I can't run for more than 5 minutes without getting totally pooped.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on August 22, 2012, 04:26:48 AM
I just consumed three large potatoes, baked with butter and milk for tea (with meat and vegetables, of course).  I fear I am going to awake at 0200 in a huge sweat.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on August 23, 2012, 12:26:33 AM
I'm getting slower and slower...

Stepped up to the 5.5km run and ran 27:00, then 27:17 and 28:10 today.... Not good.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on August 23, 2012, 03:08:40 AM
Huey* was kind today.  A Shoeller day.  A wonderful social tour.  1400 metres up, and down.  Gosh, I haven't tipped over in ages... good thing, at my age.

*Huey is the NZ god of weather.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on August 23, 2012, 11:00:12 AM
I dead lifted 185 lbs today.  A month ago, I couldn't even get 150 lbs off the ground.  I feel kind of awesome this morning.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on August 23, 2012, 02:04:26 PM
Congratulations, I know how that feels (really fucking good!).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on August 24, 2012, 04:29:47 AM
Rest.  Damn, such a gorgeous day, but rest.  Yesterday was magnificent.  You aren't 50 anymore.  Tomorrow...
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: stretcher on August 25, 2012, 11:15:02 PM
I decided to cut out all alcohol at the beginning of this month with the intention of not touching any until October. I figured my liver could use a rest after drinking almost every weekend for about a year. Since then my energy levels have plummeted even though I'm sleeping better; I used to be able to effortlessly put in 60-80 minutes on my bike with the resistance set fairly high - now I really feel it at the 30 minute mark and feel drained by 45. My diet hasn't changed any. I decided to start taking a daily vitamin supplement last week though even though I'm fairly certain I don't need it. I did add an additional set to some of my weight routines - so maybe that's the problem.

I think that I look better, though, even my skin. So there's that consolation prize.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on December 07, 2014, 04:49:33 PM
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LOL, the crash.

I am loving the running lately. Today, I did 7.6 km in 43 min, which means an average of 5 min 40 sec per kilometer, which is 9 min 8 sec per mile for 4.7 miles.

That is a decent pace, not brilliant, but not rock pace.

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on December 07, 2014, 04:51:10 PM
My knees wobble when I go down the stairs, im 24, that shouldnt be a thing.

 I have fallen far to far off of the wagon.  Time to get back on.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on December 08, 2014, 11:51:58 AM
My knees wobble when I go down the stairs, im 24, that shouldnt be a thing.

 I have fallen far to far off of the wagon.  Time to get back on.

What do you mean your knees wobble? Your legs feel weak or fat on your patella jiggles?

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on December 08, 2014, 06:02:36 PM
My knees wobble when I go down the stairs, im 24, that shouldnt be a thing.

 I have fallen far to far off of the wagon.  Time to get back on.

What do you mean your knees wobble? Your legs feel weak or fat on your patella jiggles?

They feel weak, and they just vibrate from muscle twitches when i go down stairs. I think its because im too heavy. But who knows
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on December 09, 2014, 04:24:34 PM
It might be your weight, but there are other possibilities.

Losing weight to see what happens would be one logical approach, but losing weight isn't always an option for people at some times during their life.

Where is your head at about losing some body fat?

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on December 09, 2014, 08:09:59 PM
Knees gona knees!
Thats a saying right...?
Ive a super fit friend who cant even hold a standard boxing stance because of knee pain.
Might I recommend having a professional isolate the actual bit causing pain and seeing if there are some stretches you can do concurrent with whatever other program you decide upon?
My own experience with knee pain has been bizarre to say the least.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Gerbig on December 09, 2014, 08:21:07 PM
Knees gona knees!
Thats a saying right...?
Ive a super fit friend who cant even hold a standard boxing stance because of knee pain.
Might I recommend having a professional isolate the actual bit causing pain and seeing if there are some stretches you can do concurrent with whatever other program you decide upon?
My own experience with knee pain has been bizarre to say the least.

I had ACL/MCL reconstruction about 5 years back, my knees felt stable for a few years, but they are getting more wobbly.
Im gonna book an appointment with my doctor.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on December 10, 2014, 02:07:31 AM
I went out for a 5 k run at lunch yesterday, late lunch at work as it was a bit manic, and it was getting dark.

As it is on the trails, it is hilly, but I still managed it in 30 min, mostly as I did my last km in 5 min.

I don't remember clocking such a fast time, it is downhill, and 400 m is on the road back to the hospital, but still.

:)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on December 10, 2014, 05:41:44 PM
6 km run today, average pace 5.50 per km.

There was an evil hill at the end of 4 km.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on December 14, 2014, 05:48:15 PM
How long do you folks like to rest between sets for say cardio vs strength or high rep vs low rep?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on December 14, 2014, 07:44:40 PM
I integrated my favoured compound exercises into a 5x5 routine lately.  Since dropping the weight to half of my 5 rep max for each exercise, the three sets are fairly easy (but getting harder as I add the prescribed weight).

I put enough time between the sets to walk away from the bar and readdress it; less than half a minute.  I think this will change shortly as the weights increase.

I heard an explanation of sorts why this sort of programme works for increasing strength, without necessarily increasing body mass on Ben Greenfield today. 

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on December 16, 2014, 11:50:16 AM
so, I FINALLY got my first muscle-up last Sunday (a year ago I hadn't even heard of them).
...no more than 3 in a set, and struggling tragically for the third. it was after a day's workout, so hopefully I can do better.
my transition from pull-up to dip up is really halted rather than gracefully seamless, hopefully that'll improve as I get a bit more strong and dynamic. but, regardless, I'm pretty damn happy.
I've neglected 'pulling' exercises for most of this time I've started exercising again (after years of laziness), so it's nice that I've gotten there, and hopefully progress will be quicker now, since that's about all the encouragement I need to do a hell of a lot more of it!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on December 16, 2014, 03:02:52 PM
Thats impressive! I spent an entire session once before I could do even one muscle up!
Its ridiculous how hard Ive found it to get a suitable bar to practice them.
I really feel that if Im ever caught up in an adventure like the Uncharted games that lack of practice will be my undoing:/
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on December 16, 2014, 05:07:44 PM
Confession time:

I have been a bad bad person, and have gained about 5 kgs. I am up to 97kgs as of Monday morning :(

I decided I have to turn it around again so hit the pool for a 750m swim on Monday morning, then last night 30mins on the elliptical trainer and a bit of upper body weights (and a 4km walk with the dog).

Today kicked off with a 4km stroll to the office and have my gear to put in a 5km run at lunch (it has been a while).



Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on December 16, 2014, 05:56:09 PM
My boat is comparable.
Ive let my fitness go over the last month. Doesnt help that my gym wont return my calls about renewing.
But have forced a few sessions this week.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on December 16, 2014, 10:06:19 PM
Great interview on the Paleo Solution Podcast with Phil Maffetone this week.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on December 18, 2014, 12:07:55 PM
Thats impressive! I spent an entire session once before I could do even one muscle up!
Its ridiculous how hard Ive found it to get a suitable bar to practice them.

bar-finding was probably my biggest hurdle LOL. I fiiiiiiinally went for a wander about to investigate the children's playground some odd 200 meters from my workout spot in the park and I found _their_ monkey bars much better (modern--narrow bars, sufficient width, perfect height, etc.). I'm sure I would've been at the 'one only' stage a few months back, not that I'm making great progress--I can tuck and press to handstand but still am dreadful at the straddle version (can't say I understand the physics of why pressing straddled is so much harder than pressing tucked), and will be a year or more away from the coveted 'hollow back press'. fuck it must feel lovely to have so much strength to have elegant control over something like that.

I think I've noticed a little body transformation, too. I never really noticed in the past the male cliche of the V-shape torso...sure, when I lift my arms, but now I feel like I can see my back from the front with arms down moreso than before, which I suspect is because so much of what I do is scapula/lat/trap related, which means this is probably the first time in my life I've actually developed a mid-back :D

I really feel that if Im ever caught up in an adventure like the Uncharted games that lack of practice will be my undoing:/

lol, eh.
I also climbed a tree last week when I was on that post success high.
and my rope climb is getting better, too (I'm now doing it salmon ladder style (both hands pull, release grip, regrip higher, repeat), both going up and going down).
but I'm still useless at the most basic Ninja Warrior challenges, like going from one rope to another (my one-arm 'chin-up hang' is measured in nanoseconds)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on December 26, 2014, 07:58:05 AM
Did some stuff on my nieces new gymnastics mat on isaac newton day, I dont have the flexibility for those martial artsy flip ups anymore. My handstand is way better than before though for some reason.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on December 26, 2014, 05:19:40 PM
Did some stuff on my nieces new gymnastics mat on isaac newton day, I dont have the flexibility for those martial artsy flip ups anymore. My handstand is way better than before though for some reason.

nice. just the brain adapting to it, or think it's something physical? (Better strength, or flexibility, or no injuries, etc.)


by martial artsy flip-ups, I'm guessing you mean this:
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 26, 2014, 06:05:22 PM
this is the third week since I first tried to do a flag (third day of actually trying), finally figured out what kind of apparatus I'm most comfortable with (I can probably practice daily on a fence at home, grrr). I can't hold it (no surprise there), but I'm getting a lot more comfortable with the weird sidewaysness balance and push+pullness of holding the position. I should at least be able to do some sort of pole-dancery move eventually.

https://vimeo.com/115448715

the big dude in the background asked me how to do them...as if my failure wasn't enough of an answer :P . he had surprisingly impressive handstand balance, too.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on December 26, 2014, 06:38:26 PM
Yeah. Defo the less awesome version of that.
Its a flexibility thing but im being super cautious. I can do a crab stretch but ballistic stuff is dodgy.
Im ok with some moves though. In all honesty the worst thing for it is masturbating in bed. But I wont be stopping that.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on December 26, 2014, 07:04:36 PM
crab stretch meaning this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a0L09qHS3E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a0L09qHS3E)
???

I've seen a girl and her mother who could do it, but I can only do it with my hands on a wall, no hope of doing it freestanding. I never try to go from hands on wall to hands on floor (proper bridge position), though, is that how far down you can go?
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Post by: Harry Black on December 27, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
Oops! I meant a bridge!
Im having serious trouble with my words.lately lol!
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 27, 2014, 06:48:14 PM
Oops! I meant a bridge!
Im having serious trouble with my words.lately lol!

is the difference that a bridge is when you start on all fours and bridge up, as opposed to bending down into bridge?
you can do it with locked out arms? (I have to elevate my feet ~2-feet in order to make up for my lack of back flexibility and get proper bridge form)
apparently bridge push-ups are quite a good bodyweight exercise, too --- which I believe because I suck miserably at them.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on January 02, 2015, 10:35:02 AM
WOOOOO!
finally got my MU on rings!
not something I seriously trained for, but definitely one of those benchmarks I wanted to achieve.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on January 02, 2015, 11:30:26 PM
started practicing the flag almost a month ago... I'm still only doing the easy version (shorter lever), but I'm happy with how rapidly I've become comfortable with it. (I suspect it'll take me longer to figure out what on earth those poles are actually intended for!)

(http://i.imgur.com/zql3Jus.png)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: David "Stubb" Oswald on January 05, 2015, 09:17:17 PM
My current work out regime is feeding about two dozen sheep and two dozen goats twice a day. I miss running; but I really like throwing out hay, hauling water, walking fence line, and jumping over the waist high electric fences in rubber boots in ankle deep snow. If I had more time I would do both, but in a week the animals owners will return so I will enjoy it while it lasts.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on January 05, 2015, 11:22:15 PM
My current work out regime is feeding about two dozen sheep and two dozen goats twice a day. I miss running; but I really like throwing out hay, hauling water, walking fence line, and jumping over the waist high electric fences in rubber boots in ankle deep snow. If I had more time I would do both, but in a week the animals owners will return so I will enjoy it while it lasts.

 :D
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on January 07, 2015, 01:25:27 AM
I'm quite enjoying this 5x5 routine.  Starting to get difficult, though.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 07, 2015, 08:38:31 AM
Wish I had a spotter and a regular schedule to try that out.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on January 07, 2015, 12:08:18 PM
I've been experiencing mild vertigo and it makes bike riding kind of scary - quick look over the shoulder for traffic and then when I look forward again I get a little wobbly.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on January 07, 2015, 12:23:29 PM
I've been experiencing mild vertigo and it makes bike riding kind of scary - quick look over the shoulder for traffic and then when I look forward again I get a little wobbly.

BPPV?  Might go away without treatment, but your physio should be able to sort it out.  Can be quite scary.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on January 07, 2015, 12:26:50 PM
I've been experiencing mild vertigo and it makes bike riding kind of scary - quick look over the shoulder for traffic and then when I look forward again I get a little wobbly.

BPPV?  Might go away without treatment, but your physio should be able to sort it out.  Can be quite scary.

That's what I'm HOPING it is... the other possibles are too scary to consider.  Had my tinnitus checked out last year and he said not serious.  I have a family doctor appointment tomorrow - do you think she'll be able to tell or will she send me to an oto?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on January 07, 2015, 01:53:26 PM
I've been experiencing mild vertigo and it makes bike riding kind of scary - quick look over the shoulder for traffic and then when I look forward again I get a little wobbly.

BPPV?  Might go away without treatment, but your physio should be able to sort it out.  Can be quite scary.

That's what I'm HOPING it is... the other possibles are too scary to consider.  Had my tinnitus checked out last year and he said not serious.  I have a family doctor appointment tomorrow - do you think she'll be able to tell or will she send me to an oto?

Being a common ailment (and the most common reason for vertigo) all the MDs in our local surgery can do the rotation therapy (although one of them won't a he doesn't think he is good at it) and the physics in town are all trained in it.  You can do it yourself. Worth getting started.

http://www.webmd.com/brain/tc/benign-paroxysmal-positional-vertigo-bppv-home-treatment (http://www.webmd.com/brain/tc/benign-paroxysmal-positional-vertigo-bppv-home-treatment)
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Post by: Harry Black on January 07, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
Finally got my waterproof mp3 player to last a full hour. If its not fitted perfectly then the water gets in and the podcast sounds...like its underwater.
Im building back up my endurance and ability to swim underwater. Im pretty pleased with this session as I got 2 strokes farther than last time. If I do that each session I should be at my upper limit in no time.
The pool is run terribly though. One lane without enough space to swim past anyone and the rest is people swimming lengths and trying to avoid each other.
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Post by: lonely moa on January 08, 2015, 12:05:37 AM
I've been experiencing mild vertigo and it makes bike riding kind of scary - quick look over the shoulder for traffic and then when I look forward again I get a little wobbly.

BPPV?  Might go away without treatment, but your physio should be able to sort it out.  Can be quite scary.

That's what I'm HOPING it is... the other possibles are too scary to consider.  Had my tinnitus checked out last year and he said not serious.  I have a family doctor appointment tomorrow - do you think she'll be able to tell or will she send me to an oto?

Being a common ailment (and the most common reason for vertigo) all the MDs in our local surgery can do the rotation therapy (although one of them won't; he doesn't think he is good at it) and the physios in town are all trained in it.  You can do it yourself. Worth getting started.

http://www.webmd.com/brain/tc/benign-paroxysmal-positional-vertigo-bppv-home-treatment (http://www.webmd.com/brain/tc/benign-paroxysmal-positional-vertigo-bppv-home-treatment)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on January 08, 2015, 01:59:41 PM
I've been experiencing mild vertigo and it makes bike riding kind of scary - quick look over the shoulder for traffic and then when I look forward again I get a little wobbly.

BPPV?  Might go away without treatment, but your physio should be able to sort it out.  Can be quite scary.

That's what I'm HOPING it is... the other possibles are too scary to consider.  Had my tinnitus checked out last year and he said not serious.  I have a family doctor appointment tomorrow - do you think she'll be able to tell or will she send me to an oto?

Doc thinks it's not vertigo but a coordination problem.  Tested me for strength, asked about stroke symptoms, etc.  The test that seemed most informative was walking heel to toe like a sobriety check.  I do feel like a little bit drunk sometimes and a little bit shaky.  Did an EKG - perfect.  Did some blood work... no results yet.  Set me up with a cardiologist and an MRI of my brain - I guess looking for Parkinson's and MS... no strength problems though, so probably not Stephen Hawking disease.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on January 08, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
I've been experiencing mild vertigo and it makes bike riding kind of scary - quick look over the shoulder for traffic and then when I look forward again I get a little wobbly.

BPPV?  Might go away without treatment, but your physio should be able to sort it out.  Can be quite scary.

That's what I'm HOPING it is... the other possibles are too scary to consider.  Had my tinnitus checked out last year and he said not serious.  I have a family doctor appointment tomorrow - do you think she'll be able to tell or will she send me to an oto?

I've had BPPV as my ears like to make a lot of wax.

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on January 08, 2015, 04:21:49 PM
Doc thinks it's not vertigo but a coordination problem.  Tested me for strength, asked about stroke symptoms, etc.  The test that seemed most informative was walking heel to toe like a sobriety check.  I do feel like a little bit drunk sometimes and a little bit shaky.  Did an EKG - perfect.  Did some blood work... no results yet.  Set me up with a cardiologist and an MRI of my brain - I guess looking for Parkinson's and MS... no strength problems though, so probably not Stephen Hawking disease.

If you try those exercises in that link and get those symptoms of dizziness and nausea (in spades), it is very likely those tiny bone fragments loose in your inner ear. 

I got totally opposite reaction from my GP.  He laughed when I asked if it were something really wrong and said that those symptoms would have been preceded by several others if it was.  It is such a common disorder that they see it in the surgery regularly.  He just gave me a handout on those exercises and it went away. Mind you, they weren't pleasant at first.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 13, 2015, 01:43:34 PM
Decided to focus on speed for a bit in my running. Weather is shit so I dont fancy doing endurance outdoors. Todays session was fun-
2400m best effort
10min archery to recover
Repeat
Finished off with 5 rounds kickboxing on the bag.
My second time using a baselayer under my shorts and t-shirt. Ive never been a fan of the look but it was damn comfortable.
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Post by: Tatyana on January 13, 2015, 04:14:05 PM
As the woods were sodden, we ran on one of the quiet back roads. It is still cute with a number of thatched cottages and other lovely country homes.

The issue is that it is 2.5 km uphill (80 m) and then back down again.

We finally broke our go slow mode after the Christmas break, it was 5 km in 29.50. It is all on a road, so it is easier than when we are on bridle paths, but it was still a boost.

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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2015, 12:12:23 PM
No lanes whatsoever laid out in the pool today. Three sets of parents with small kids despite there being a kids pool. That would have been fine anyway (important to let the kids try in deep water) but nobody seems to have any interest in giving anyone else space to do their thing. At one point I was actually contorting my body as I stood at the edge so I wouldnt touch someones kid as they dragged them around me.
The pool had about 8 people in it. This should not be a problem.
So anyway. What I came to post- Added anothe 2meters onto my underwater distance. Yay!
Tingly fingers. Boo.
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 14, 2015, 12:22:32 PM
So anyway. What I came to post- Added anothe 2meters onto my underwater distance. Yay!

what depth were the kids at, I'm guessing arm's length
::imagines self as a parent::
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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2015, 01:02:35 PM
Ah its not the kids fault at all.
Im suprised the parents dont want to keep them further away from weird guys standing in the pool hyperventilating.
Or that they arent interested in teaching them to respect peoples space.
Even at that, they were having loads of fun, easy for a parent to get carried away and forget I was there. No problem.
Its the damn pool staff who can clearly see that everyone bar 3 parents and their kids wants to swim lengths and have point blank refused everytime I suggested a swimming lane with a traffic flow might help.
"If people would swim properly there would be no problem" what does that even mean?
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Post by: David "Stubb" Oswald on January 14, 2015, 05:44:09 PM
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Post by: DG on January 14, 2015, 06:13:05 PM
Confession time:

I have been a bad bad person, and have gained about 5 kgs. I am up to 97kgs as of Monday morning :(

I decided I have to turn it around again so hit the pool for a 750m swim on Monday morning, then last night 30mins on the elliptical trainer and a bit of upper body weights (and a 4km walk with the dog).

Today kicked off with a 4km stroll to the office and have my gear to put in a 5km run at lunch (it has been a while).

An update:

I failed to get my stuff sorted over Christmas, but I have made a good push to start the new year since I have been back at work. I am down to 95.5 (Despite nudging 99 during the Christmas break) and I am aiming to get to 92 before I go to the UK in 5 weeks.
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 18, 2015, 09:38:57 AM
 ;D (best viewed in HD or that kid in the background is all pixelated)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152570241987111&l=8465298167840575302 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152570241987111&l=8465298167840575302)
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Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2015, 11:51:26 AM
;D (best viewed in HD or that kid in the background is all pixelated)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152570241987111&l=8465298167840575302 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152570241987111&l=8465298167840575302)
Dude. Thats impressive!
Have you thought about parkour at all?
Im considering a course in the summer.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on January 18, 2015, 12:50:47 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vb6_NIQPK-A/VLvx7PWhSxI/AAAAAAAAUG8/-KfSNDQ8mMs/s211/Brain%2520Scan.jpg)

It appears my left brain is both enlarged and atrophied.  Also GOOGLY EYES
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 18, 2015, 01:00:44 PM
Have you thought about parkour at all?

I'm a very clumsy person, and I barely have the courage to do box jumps.
also, if I sprint 100 metres it takes days for me to recover, that's how crap my general fitness and leg strength is.
I think good ol jogging needs to come before parkour (I would guess my ankles are pretty damn feeble and liable for the typical basketball injuries), but I'd certainly love to try it once I get a bit more well rounded.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on January 18, 2015, 01:07:39 PM
If anyone decides they're not in enough agonizing pain while working out, give some blood-flow-restricted squats a try. Yeouch.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2015, 01:21:14 PM
If anyone decides they're not in enough agonizing pain while working out, give some blood-flow-restricted squats a try. Yeouch.
How does that work and what does it do?
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Post by: lonely moa on January 18, 2015, 03:32:04 PM
Starting to bump into my limits with 5x5.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on January 19, 2015, 01:55:46 AM
If anyone decides they're not in enough agonizing pain while working out, give some blood-flow-restricted squats a try. Yeouch.
How does that work and what does it do?

http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=43488 (http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=43488)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on January 24, 2015, 11:40:49 PM
How do I still keep meeting people who, while being fit and active, think sweating=fat loss?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on January 25, 2015, 12:50:49 AM
How do I still keep meeting people who, while being fit and active, think sweating=fat loss?

The sitting-in-the-sauna-doing-nothing idea? I've been known to have the odd sauna, and occasionally I break through my actively antisocial tendencies and actually talk to people in there instead of tuning out with a podcast. It's surprising the number of people who believe they're burning fat in any type of meaningful sense. (Actually, confounding this is the fact they might be burning a bit of extra fat, but I don't think it would make any noticeable difference.)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on January 25, 2015, 01:09:43 AM
The guys Im talking to specifically equate how much they sweat during a workout with how much fat they lose though. To the point where I know a few guys who use those sweat suits that boxers use to make weight.
I know a guy who wraps his abs in cling film while he sleeps. Pretty much every night.
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Post by: Plastiq on January 25, 2015, 01:11:44 AM
Oh... Jesus.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 25, 2015, 01:14:46 AM
Thing is, the guy looks amazing. He is constantly in cover model shape and 5 years ago he was seriously overweight. Everytime he hears of a new idea he incorporates it whether it works or not and he is then to scared to drop anything from his program.
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Post by: Plastiq on January 25, 2015, 02:53:59 AM
Thing is, the guy looks amazing. He is constantly in cover model shape and 5 years ago he was seriously overweight. Everytime he hears of a new idea he incorporates it whether it works or not and he is then to scared to drop anything from his program.

To what do you really attribute his success in maintaining such leanness in light of his previous condition? Long term maintenance of a very lean state after being overweight is something I'm really interested in.
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 25, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
The guys Im talking to specifically equate how much they sweat during a workout with how much fat they lose though.

maybe they don't mean it literally? but it's more of a gauge of whether or not they're 'in the fat-burning-zone' with respect to heart-rate/etc.?

To the point where I know a few guys who use those sweat suits that boxers use to make weight.

ok, scratch that.
dummies.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on January 28, 2015, 04:06:17 AM
A couple of days at Mt Cook village.  A few really pitches of moderate grade rock climbing in the sun. God, it's so good. 
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on January 30, 2015, 02:08:20 PM
Thing is, the guy looks amazing. He is constantly in cover model shape and 5 years ago he was seriously overweight. Everytime he hears of a new idea he incorporates it whether it works or not and he is then to scared to drop anything from his program.

To what do you really attribute his success in maintaining such leanness in light of his previous condition? Long term maintenance of a very lean state after being overweight is something I'm really interested in.
He does one or two sessions of sone kind of resistence exercise per day. The amount of foods he has deleted from his diet makes it pretty hard to find replacement calories in palatable amounts and our job makes it tough to get enough calories anyway.
Its win win because I get to eat all his fried rice!

So this week I tried the blood restrictive stuff. I liked it!
Also tried out my new trx and was pretty happy with that.
I would certainly recommend it to anyone who lacks space at home and time to get to the gym.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on January 31, 2015, 01:21:44 AM
So this week I tried the blood restrictive stuff. I liked it!

Might mean you're not doing it right.  ;D

Also tried out my new trx and was pretty happy with that.
I would certainly recommend it to anyone who lacks space at home and time to get to the gym.

Absolutely. TRXs are grossly overpriced, but great equipment. I bought a cheap imitation—it was surprisingly well made, actually.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 31, 2015, 02:00:05 AM
Oh mine is an imitation too actually.
In fact they are incredibly easy to make but I didnt have time to buy the bits and pieces and put them together.
The blood restriction thing did hurt but it was only 10min of a 30min session.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 04, 2015, 09:53:50 AM
I really bust my ass when I train. I do alot of cardio work and do my best to work on strength and hold a balance between the two.
Every now and then it winds me up to see a handful of my co workers who openly take steroids just doing fuck all and smoking 20 a day but still lifting more than me and generally looking like Arnie.
I know it shouldnt matter what others do.
I know we have very different goals.
But every now and then it does bug me. More so when they throw their weight around in bars.
Anyway, 2 days til rest day!
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 04, 2015, 10:30:33 AM
a handful of my co workers who openly take steroids just doing fuck all
But every now and then it does bug me. More so when they throw their weight around in bars.

it makes them a little testy?
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Post by: Harry Black on February 04, 2015, 11:46:55 AM
Im not sure the actual evidence supports roid rage as a common side effect but I have noticed one of my mates become very emotional. That may just be him though, he has been on roids for 13 years, all of his adult life.
I suspect it has more to do with these particular guys wishing they were big enough to throw weight around and then making it happen.
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Post by: lonely moa on February 04, 2015, 11:49:12 AM
My second yoga class.  Hard work  I love it.  I think nearly fifty years of rock climbing has kept me reasonably supple.
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Post by: Harry Black on February 04, 2015, 12:25:49 PM
My second yoga class.  Hard work  I love it.  I think nearly fifty years of rock climbing has kept me reasonably supple.
I would think so!!
I have a hard time trusting yoga simply because it was developed before people actually knew what the hell was going on inside the body.
People do rave about it though so what do I know?
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Post by: Plastiq on February 04, 2015, 01:11:04 PM
I really bust my ass when I train. I do alot of cardio work and do my best to work on strength and hold a balance between the two.
Every now and then it winds me up to see a handful of my co workers who openly take steroids just doing fuck all and smoking 20 a day but still lifting more than me and generally looking like Arnie.
I know it shouldnt matter what others do.
I know we have very different goals.
But every now and then it does bug me. More so when they throw their weight around in bars.
Anyway, 2 days til rest day!

Geared up guys doing half-assed workouts is horrible. And really common. I guess it's a similar phenomenon to doing DNP to get lean instead of just manipulating your diet and training—the instant gratification culture. Ha, not to get high and mighty in that respect, though, I'm fully part of that particular culture in many aspects of my life.

In a similar vein is really bad form, for instance, loading up a barbell with tons of weight and doing 1/16th reps. People are free to do what they like, and it shouldn't bother me, but I find it irritating and automatically class it as cheating.

Im not sure the actual evidence supports roid rage as a common side effect but I have noticed one of my mates become very emotional. That may just be him though, he has been on roids for 13 years, all of his adult life.
I suspect it has more to do with these particular guys wishing they were big enough to throw weight around and then making it happen.

Mostly bullshit (based on users I know, plus a fair bit of anecdotal reporting on bodybuilding boards). If anything, they say that if you're a prick before anabolic steroids, they might bring it out a bit more. Also depends on the compound.

Guys can suffer depression and get emotional after a cycle, though.
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Post by: Harry Black on February 04, 2015, 04:19:06 PM
I remember hearing a stat for documented instances of roid rage in the US per year and it was less than 10.
But I have no idea how accurate it may have been. If anyone has any idea Id be interested.
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 04, 2015, 11:26:35 PM
Im not sure the actual evidence supports roid rage as a common side effect

good to know.
(the pun is still worth it, though.)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 04, 2015, 11:56:15 PM
My second yoga class.  Hard work  I love it.  I think nearly fifty years of rock climbing has kept me reasonably supple.

nice. what kinda yoga do they do?
one of those things I've thought I 'should' do. that and jogging.

have you ever been to TheRoxx in chch? just heard about it. thinking of going. probably not satisfying for people who're used to the real thing, but looks pretty cool to me.
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Post by: lonely moa on February 05, 2015, 02:34:50 AM
My second yoga class.  Hard work  I love it.  I think nearly fifty years of rock climbing has kept me reasonably supple.

nice. what kinda yoga do they do?
one of those things I've thought I 'should' do. that and jogging.

have you ever been to TheRoxx in chch? just heard about it. thinking of going. probably not satisfying for people who're used to the real thing, but looks pretty cool to me.

Been to the Roxx heaps.  It's fantastic.  I wish it wasn't a hundred k's away.  Different than real rock but it's so good.

Not sure what she calls her yoga class but it seems pretty standard.  A lot of stretching stuff, some poses and short routines with funny names (I quite like the 'lizard pose') and some quite time at the end.  Its $8 for an hour and a half in a really nice room (maybe ten students); cheap.  I like it a lot more than the Pilates I did the last couple of terms.  Some of the poses really challenge my balance and we hold some planks long enough to start quivering. 
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 05, 2015, 03:43:29 AM
Been to the Roxx heaps.  It's fantastic.  I wish it wasn't a hundred k's away.  Different than real rock but it's so good.
yea. I figured the let down would be not finding your own hand grips, the struggle of man against the rock surface itself... this must seem very artificially easy for a 'real' climber.

I was reading their website, apparently there's the kid's 'clip and climb' area with autobelays. do they have any of those in the real wall area, or you need to go with a big enough group to take turns belaying for each other?

I like it a lot more than the Pilates I did the last couple of terms.
what was the difference?

Some of the poses really challenge my balance and we hold some planks long enough to start quivering. 
how long's that for you? mine is tragic. I've really lost the habit of ab workouts.
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Post by: DG on February 05, 2015, 05:04:18 PM
Confession time:

I have been a bad bad person, and have gained about 5 kgs. I am up to 97kgs as of Monday morning :(

I decided I have to turn it around again so hit the pool for a 750m swim on Monday morning, then last night 30mins on the elliptical trainer and a bit of upper body weights (and a 4km walk with the dog).

Today kicked off with a 4km stroll to the office and have my gear to put in a 5km run at lunch (it has been a while).

An update:

I failed to get my stuff sorted over Christmas, but I have made a good push to start the new year since I have been back at work. I am down to 95.5 (Despite nudging 99 during the Christmas break) and I am aiming to get to 92 before I go to the UK in 5 weeks.

Another update:

I am a slacker. Between my last post and 31 January I did nothing to get my diet under control and floated around the 96kgs mark. Come the first of February I realised this was bad and have been tracking EVERY morsel that enters my mouth (including chewing gum).

I really didn't get the motivation that I was looking for until a week ago. Since then I have done fairly well and tipped the scales at 94.3 this morning. With 19 days until I go, I think that 92 might be on the extremity of possibility. But I am still hopeful.

I've been walking heaps (around 17-20 thousand steps a day) but I haven't been going to the gym to lift weights, nor have I been doing my lunchtime running. That said I packed my gym bag and it's in the car ready for a quick session on the way home for work.
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Post by: Harry Black on February 05, 2015, 05:16:25 PM
Well done for doing what you have.
I often think that the routines people map out for themselves are too ambitious to be followed 52 weeks per year. Even pro athletes have off seasons so I think a bit of ebb and flow is pretty healthy.
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Post by: lonely moa on February 05, 2015, 09:11:39 PM
Been to the Roxx heaps.  It's fantastic.  I wish it wasn't a hundred k's away.  Different than real rock but it's so good.
yea. I figured the let down would be not finding your own hand grips, the struggle of man against the rock surface itself... this must seem very artificially easy for a 'real' climber.

I was reading their website, apparently there's the kid's 'clip and climb' area with autobelays. do they have any of those in the real wall area, or you need to go with a big enough group to take turns belaying for each other?


No let down.  Outside climbing leaves all the safety in the hands of the climber, as well as all the other decisions; that's the difference. I like that.  plenty of people never climb outside and are great on indoor rock.  I see it as a really fun workout.

You pick a route with a number grade at the gym, it's the same technical difficulty as a climb outside with the same grade.

No self belays in the climbing room, AFAIK.  One need's a partner that s up to scratch.  There might be classes for starters, I don't
know.
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 05, 2015, 11:10:07 PM
I see it as a really fun workout.
yea. s'why I wanna go.
though I'm a bit worried about a persistent hand injury I've developed (some sort of pang down near that thumb adductor when using thumb or index finger)

You pick a route with a number grade at the gym, it's the same technical difficulty as a climb outside with the same grade.
is it quite accurate (a person who can do route 4 but can't do route 5 won't find that 6 and 7 are also doable?), sounds kinda cool to also be able to get a number out of it to gauge your ability.
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Post by: lonely moa on February 06, 2015, 03:00:35 AM
Climbers are always sporting injuries.  I have sprained or broken several joints and bones in the past forty seven years... pain is only a nuisance , really.

The grading system here is the Ewebank system, sort of goes from 1 to 30 something.  When I was young and current, I could onsight lead any 22, now maybe any 16 or 17.  Yo could expect to easily towrope a 14 or 15 in the gym on the first go, as long as you remember that rock climbing is done primary with the feet.
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 06, 2015, 03:10:33 AM
Climbers are always sporting injuries.  I have sprained or broken several joints and bones in the past forty seven years... pain is only a nuisance , really.

hope so. I'm just worried about it. with bar workouts I can at least use a full grip. I first got the weird shot of pain from a second-knuckle grip with all my bodyweight on it, more like a grip you'd have to use in rock climbing. nowadays my muscle-up false-grip seems to be maintaining the injury. I just worry about it being one of those things that will shoot and make you let go, or worse, if it's not a nerve thing but a tendon thing, snapping or something crazy like that. ...I don't worry enough to rest, but it is annoying how long it has lasted for.

'
as long as you remember that rock climbing is done primary with the feet.
so, that means your arms are predominantly there to affix your body close to the wall so gravity puts your weight onto your feet, not back behind them where you have no balance to use leg strength to go upwards?
is a bent or straight arm hold preferred? and upward or outward? generally speaking...
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 08, 2015, 05:09:05 AM
another Sunday/funday :)

(http://i.imgur.com/GndYRiC.png)
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Post by: AQB24712 on February 08, 2015, 09:44:08 PM
Damn, son.
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Post by: Plastiq on February 10, 2015, 02:03:42 AM
This is pretty impressive. Obviously a wee bit of exogenous hormonal assistance going on here, but still. (Also, I have no idea whether the caption is truly accurate.)

(http://i.imgur.com/FLdUIgM.png)
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Post by: Harry Black on February 10, 2015, 02:39:08 AM
I guess its impressive. Just as any high level results in any edneavor are impressive.
But its nothing I havent seen in a magazine lately, I just think- yup. Thats what a bodybuilder looks like alright!

So where I am now has some decent weight and a bar so my workouts can get mercifully shorter seeing as how I can get my three rep max for most exercises.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 10, 2015, 02:49:43 AM
I guess its impressive.

impressive that he's maintained it (though I guess you have more free time at that age). would be even more impressive if he only started bulking at retirement, though.
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Post by: Plastiq on February 10, 2015, 02:50:31 AM
I guess its impressive. Just as any high level results in any edneavor are impressive.
But its nothing I havent seen in a magazine lately, I just think- yup. Thats what a bodybuilder looks like alright!

The guy's 65!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 10, 2015, 03:24:58 AM
I guess its impressive. Just as any high level results in any edneavor are impressive.
But its nothing I havent seen in a magazine lately, I just think- yup. Thats what a bodybuilder looks like alright!

The guy's 65!

give me 35 years to put on muscle...2lbs per year? I suspect I could get as heavy as him if that was a goal for me.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 10, 2015, 04:26:37 AM
If he is 65 then yes its impressive.
But do we know for a fact he is?
Hell, if he is 50 then its impressive.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 10, 2015, 06:43:54 AM
If he is 65 then yes its impressive.
But do we know for a fact he is?
Hell, if he is 50 then its impressive.

F'sheezy. He's impressive regardless, but my main reason for posting it was his age.

And it could indeed be complete bullshit.

After writing the above, I thought I'd do a search-by-image on the guy, and Christ is there a lot of stuff saying "wow, he's 65". Can't work out who he is or anything about him though.

give me 35 years to put on muscle...2lbs per year? I suspect I could get as heavy as him if that was a goal for me.

I don't think I've ever read a more inadvertently naive statement.
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Post by: Harry Black on February 10, 2015, 07:13:39 AM
You are right of course! Impressive regardless! But again-yep, that sure is a bodybuilder.
I was really impressed with Chris Pratts transformation for Guardians for example because of the time frame. I think Im more interested in comparative results than absolute results in general.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 10, 2015, 08:07:57 AM
You are right of course! Impressive regardless! But again-yep, that sure is a bodybuilder.
I was really impressed with Chris Pratts transformation for Guardians for example because of the time frame. I think Im more interested in comparative results than absolute results in general.

The whole drug issue is fraught, but I've heard quite a few people who're steeped in the industry say that all the impressive Hollywood transformations are drug-induced. Who knows what the truth is.
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Post by: Harry Black on February 10, 2015, 09:21:51 AM
I find it unlikely with Pratt. Maybe surgery?
He cut a huge amount of weight but he didnt seem bigger than he should have based on his frame.
I think what he did is probably doable with diet. But he must have suffered to do it so fast.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on February 10, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
This is pretty impressive. Obviously a wee bit of exogenous hormonal assistance going on here, but still. (Also, I have no idea whether the caption is truly accurate.)

(http://i.imgur.com/FLdUIgM.png)

I think I'd hate looking like that... I get it... it's just not me.  This is my ideal image of myself at that age.

(http://cdn.triathlon.competitor.com/files/2015/01/AnthonyFioto.jpg)
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Post by: Plastiq on February 10, 2015, 01:21:28 PM
That dude looks great, too.
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Post by: lonely moa on February 10, 2015, 01:26:40 PM
Art DaVany has a decade on those guys and looks as good.  Personally, the Mark Sisson look appeals more. 
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Post by: DG on February 10, 2015, 10:26:40 PM
[RANT]

I'm sick of this. It's giving me the shits. Over a week of eating between 900 and 1200 calories a day, walking 10km every day, doing a cardio/sports session of at least 500kcal (according to my HRM) every other day - and I have actually GAINED weight (nearly 1kg).

I'm 6ft and 95kgs (205lbs-approx). the "formula" for a lazy desk worker says I should be eating 1800 a day to maintain my weight so why the hell isn't it moving at all!

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Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on February 10, 2015, 11:07:16 PM
I shan't say a thing.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 11, 2015, 01:20:43 AM
[RANT]

I'm sick of this. It's giving me the shits. Over a week of eating between 900 and 1200 calories a day, walking 10km every day, doing a cardio/sports session of at least 500kcal (according to my HRM) every other day - and I have actually GAINED weight (nearly 1kg).

I'm 6ft and 95kgs (205lbs-approx). the "formula" for a lazy desk worker says I should be eating 1800 a day to maintain my weight so why the hell isn't it moving at all!

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Something very wrong with that picture. Hard to say exactly what without more details.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on February 11, 2015, 01:22:43 AM
Just me frustrated and pushing myself too hard. Once I'm more sensible with my food (eating a greater amount) and settled into the routine it'll be better. I just hate that first week of feeling hungry and tired. 

[Sent from my phone please pretend my typing is accurate]

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 11, 2015, 05:18:39 AM
I'm 6ft and 95kgs (205lbs-approx). the "formula" for a lazy desk worker says I should be eating 1800 a day to maintain my weight so why the hell isn't it moving at all!

depends what the weight is composed of.
what does it say if you estimate lean bodyweight (since 10% body-fat is a lean athlete, let's guess 20% body-fat - that leaves you with 76kg for the formula... what does it say then?)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on February 11, 2015, 05:28:08 AM
God slayer - with that, and assuming sedentary lifestyle  (no exercise) 1500kcal.

I'm sure it's just my body being stubborn getting going. It has been hot (30 degrees plus) so it may just have been that I've had a lot to drink.

I'm sure it'll be fine. I had a good session at the gym today 25 minutes on the elliptical, a little weight work, and a 15 minute uphill walk on the treadmill. not a bad end to the day after playing ultimate Frisbee at lunch and my usual 10 km walking.

Finished off the day with a nice steak and salad.

I'm less grumpy now.

[Sent from my phone please pretend my typing is accurate]

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 11, 2015, 08:20:56 AM
I'm 6ft and 95kgs (205lbs-approx). the "formula" for a lazy desk worker says I should be eating 1800 a day to maintain my weight so why the hell isn't it moving at all!

depends what the weight is composed of.
what does it say if you estimate lean bodyweight (since 10% body-fat is a lean athlete, let's guess 20% body-fat - that leaves you with 76kg for the formula... what does it say then?)

Adipose tissue isn't metabolically inert. Indeed, super fat people rip through a shit-ton of energy on a daily basis, and it's a myth they have "slow metabolisms".

God slayer - with that, and assuming sedentary lifestyle  (no exercise) 1500kcal.

I'm sure it's just my body being stubborn getting going. It has been hot (30 degrees plus) so it may just have been that I've had a lot to drink.

I'm sure it'll be fine. I had a good session at the gym today 25 minutes on the elliptical, a little weight work, and a 15 minute uphill walk on the treadmill. not a bad end to the day after playing ultimate Frisbee at lunch and my usual 10 km walking.

Finished off the day with a nice steak and salad.

I'm less grumpy now.

[Sent from my phone please pretend my typing is accurate]

If you're doing so much cardio with the goal of burning fat, my advice would be to switch the ratio of aerobic work to intense resistance training.

On the other hand, if you just enjoy it, disregard this.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 11, 2015, 08:37:43 AM
Maybe it ought to be its own thread but-
Why do some people have protruding bellies but visible abs?
Like, i know people whose stomachs are hard to touch and they have a six pack. But the stomach bulges forward as if their abs were drawn on.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 11, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
Maybe it ought to be its own thread but-
Why do some people have protruding bellies but visible abs?
Like, i know people whose stomachs are hard to touch and they have a six pack. But the stomach bulges forward as if their abs were drawn on.

Some of the variables determining this:

Intra-abdominal fat deposition; the size of the internal organs; stomach and digestive tract content; size, shape, and thickness of the abdominal muscles; anabolic drug use; and medical conditions.

Incidentally, severe abdominal distension is a much lamented fact of modern bodybuilding, and no one really knows the exact cause. There've been hypotheses of increased levels of anabolic drug use, a history of huge meals, insulin abuse, age, etc.

Normally bodybuilders hold themselves tight on stage, so the guts are normally only noticeable during deep breaths, or when they relax (unless they have a really bad case!). Here's an example:

(http://i.imgur.com/yrGqaCs.jpg)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 11, 2015, 09:13:07 AM
Maybe it ought to be its own thread but-
Why do some people have protruding bellies but visible abs?
Like, i know people whose stomachs are hard to touch and they have a six pack. But the stomach bulges forward as if their abs were drawn on.

steroid use?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 11, 2015, 09:14:52 AM
(unless they have a really bad case!). Here's an example:

(http://i.imgur.com/yrGqaCs.jpg)

dude, that's horrific.
it's like he's wearing an ape costume or something.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 11, 2015, 09:51:39 AM
Maybe it ought to be its own thread but-
Why do some people have protruding bellies but visible abs?
Like, i know people whose stomachs are hard to touch and they have a six pack. But the stomach bulges forward as if their abs were drawn on.

steroid use?
Definitely not steroids.
Both men over 40 though. Both smokers. Both fitter than average for their age.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on February 11, 2015, 04:40:48 PM
Here's a new challenge for GodSlayer.

(http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/daily_picdump_1729_640_02-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on February 11, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
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If you're doing so much cardio with the goal of burning fat, my advice would be to switch the ratio of aerobic work to intense resistance training.

On the other hand, if you just enjoy it, disregard this.

Admittedly the amount of cardio is (in part) getting ready for the start of the football season. It's only a social comp so I don't have to be "fit" but I do like to be one of the fitter people on the team.

But I accept that I should probably spend more time on the resistance training. I really only do two different resistance training activities in a gym session which is kinda pointless (whether it's chest press, leg press, shoulder press or squats). I tend to stick with machines rather than free weights as I don't have friends or a trainer (I have no intention of getting either) and I worry about my "form" and potential injuries.

I also need to find some core training activities since things like sit-ups and leg raises cause my hips to 'pop' which can be painful. Might be time to head to an exercise physiologist for that one.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: MatterOverMind on February 11, 2015, 05:19:30 PM
Adipose tissue is a living tissue, but it burns way less energy per pound than muscle does (although it is true that a few kg of muscle mass increase doesn't make as dramatic a difference on resting energy expenditure as some people suggest).

As Plastiq mentioned, if your goal is to lose fat/improve body composition, strength training should be a significant part of your training.

You can just as easily injure yourself on a shoulder press or a leg press machine, or doing squats on the smith machine, as you can training with free weights, if you are unsure about proper technique. That is assuming you're actually pushing yourself and not just mindlessly executing reps with minimal relative effort, which is necessary to benefit from resistance training past the very beginner stage. If you are going to make strength training a part of your life (which, for good health, you should be doing), getting a couple of months of privative instruction from a competent personal trainer with the goals of learning proper form would undoubtedly constitute a great long-term investment.

A knowledgeable personal trainer should be able to help you with your hip issue, as well (and, if it's beyond his area of knowledge, should be able to refer you to a competent health professional in your area). An exercise physiologist will not necessarily be competent when it comes to "core training activities" or "hips popping".
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 11, 2015, 05:41:58 PM
Here's a new challenge for GodSlayer.

(http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/daily_picdump_1729_640_02-1.jpg)

lol, I wouldn't even do a shoulder stand on _one_ dumbell.

love his creativity. and judging by its height that's an impressive press even if you took balance out of the equation.

dunno why google is showing this all over 'gym fail' websites.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on February 11, 2015, 06:17:20 PM
Adipose tissue is a living tissue, but it burns way less energy per pound than muscle does (although it is true that a few kg of muscle mass increase doesn't make as dramatic a difference on resting energy expenditure as some people suggest).

As Plastiq mentioned, if your goal is to lose fat/improve body composition, strength training should be a significant part of your training.

You can just as easily injure yourself on a shoulder press or a leg press machine, or doing squats on the smith machine, as you can training with free weights, if you are unsure about proper technique. That is assuming you're actually pushing yourself and not just mindlessly executing reps with minimal relative effort, which is necessary to benefit from resistance training past the very beginner stage. If you are going to make strength training a part of your life (which, for good health, you should be doing), getting a couple of months of privative instruction from a competent personal trainer with the goals of learning proper form would undoubtedly constitute a great long-term investment.

A knowledgeable personal trainer should be able to help you with your hip issue, as well (and, if it's beyond his area of knowledge, should be able to refer you to a competent health professional in your area). An exercise physiologist will not necessarily be competent when it comes to "core training activities" or "hips popping".

Sorry - I should have made that clearer. The physiotherapist I was seeing for recurring hip injuries (which now seem to be under control) is also an exercise physiologist. They told me that I should come back if/when I wanted to try to improve my abdominal strength and they would help me find some exercises that wouldn't cause undue stress on the hip area.

Also I had the gym instructor show me how to use the machines when I first joined so I am fairly confident with those. They did offer a few sessions with an instructor in the "free weights" section but I was a bit light on for cash at the time.

After my upcoming holiday I will visit my physio for advice on the hips and then probably arrange a few personal training sessions.

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on February 11, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
Also, thanks to all of you for tolerating me in this thread.

I know I don't really contribute to the knowledge and experience of the thread because, well, I don't know anything. But I really do appreciate the suggestions, help and encouragement.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 12, 2015, 12:24:37 AM
You can just as easily injure yourself on a shoulder press or a leg press machine, or doing squats on the smith machine, as you can training with free weights, if you are unsure about proper technique.

man, I ?tore? something on the side of my big toe today while stretching for splits. hurts to put any weight on it (on the side, not normal walking) and eventually became red and purple and bruised looking.
apparently you can even injure yourself standing improperly...
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 12, 2015, 03:00:42 AM
Also, thanks to all of you for tolerating me in this thread.

I know I don't really contribute to the knowledge and experience of the thread because, well, I don't know anything. But I really do appreciate the suggestions, help and encouragement.
Dude, this isnt the "People who know everything about exercise thread"  its for any thoughts that occur to you about your workouts, sharing success amd failure and crowdsourcing some tips from each other.
Ive been very interested in your posts and results.
In other news, I think there has got to be something environmental here in sri lanka that affects my fitness whenever I get here. My digestive system always slows down and feels kind of funky, my strength remains pretty constant but my cardio times and tolerance drop significantly. I mean to less than 50% my normal capacity.
Every other time I have simply thought I must have been slacking off but that simply is not the case this time.
Frustrating.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 12, 2015, 06:04:38 AM
The 50/50 mixture of air and wood/rubbish smoke probably doesn't help.  :D
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 12, 2015, 12:57:33 PM
Did some very interesting reading today actually.
Considering my size, the temperature and the humidity I think my heart rate could have been 20bpm higher than what it normally would be for the same effort. There was zero breeze too so my sweat wasnt evaporating.
Now that I know this, Im really excited to design a heart rate focused training program for when Im in country in future!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 12, 2015, 05:18:37 PM
after my workout yesterday I was walking back to the car park, ready to go home, but saw a group of (7) people, probably young women, in the distance, so I begrudgingly kept walking past the cars to the other workout spot... they converged on the same point, too, and started playing around.
had a quick play around on the rings, then did my standard easy-version-of-human flag on a sign post... and got a big round of applause from them afterwards  ;D 8)

oh, and my v-swing* is now getting closer to a pike swing :)

*using momentum to get a ROM that can't be achieved through strength and flexibility alone - an exercise to work on V-sit flexibility (and strength, kinda)
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still a long way from a manna, though:
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annoyed that some backhand tendon is still playing up, keeping me from doing anything handstand'y. I really wanted to attempt this basic leg hang/swing/dismount yesterday, but couldn't risk needing to land on feet and hands to protect my face if I did it wrong, because my hand just doesn't want to bend like that even gently.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 13, 2015, 06:45:32 AM
Did some very interesting reading today actually.
Considering my size, the temperature and the humidity I think my heart rate could have been 20bpm higher than what it normally would be for the same effort. There was zero breeze too so my sweat wasnt evaporating.
Now that I know this, Im really excited to design a heart rate focused training program for when Im in country in future!

Yeah, I've noticed a deeply profound effect of ambient temperature on perceived exertion. Hard training in super-hot places is fucking brutal.

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Seems like you're developing a real passion for movement (exercise/training/physical activity? Not sure of the best term). That's cool. It's a real cornerstone of tolerable existence in my case.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 13, 2015, 04:03:26 PM
Seems like you're developing a real passion for movement (exercise/training/physical activity? Not sure of the best term). That's cool. It's a real cornerstone of tolerable existence in my case.

yea. these days I just feel the need to get out of the house, wander, relax, stretch, exercise, whatever.
summer's almost over, though, I dunno how that's going to change things...hopefully I can turn it to my advantage and use it to encourage more aerobic endeavors.

Yeah, I've noticed a deeply profound effect of ambient temperature on perceived exertion. Hard training in super-hot places is fucking brutal.

I've wondered if one's own fitness plays any role in that. like, I seem to suffer the heat so much worse than other people born and raised in the climate, including others who are as active as me. I wonder if it's like they're fitter and keep a lower resting heart rate or some variable like this that means I'm suffering worse because I'm in worse shape in terms of aerobic/stamina exercise.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on February 13, 2015, 04:45:42 PM
I seem to suffer the heat so much worse than other people born and raised in the climate, including others who are as active as me. I wonder if it's like they're fitter and keep a lower resting heart rate or some variable like this that means I'm suffering worse because I'm in worse shape in terms of aerobic/stamina exercise.

It's probably just that the heat is overwhelming when combined with your own natural hotness.  :fu:
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 13, 2015, 05:25:12 PM
I seem to suffer the heat so much worse than other people born and raised in the climate, including others who are as active as me. I wonder if it's like they're fitter and keep a lower resting heart rate or some variable like this that means I'm suffering worse because I'm in worse shape in terms of aerobic/stamina exercise.

It's probably just that the heat is overwhelming when combined with your own natural hotness.  :fu:

good thing I have an air conditioner for a face.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on February 13, 2015, 05:48:41 PM
The worst sprout at the gym in ages.  Should have left for coffee after the first set.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 13, 2015, 06:13:48 PM
The worst sprout at the gym in ages.  Should have left for coffee after the first set.

always take caffeine pills and pain killers with me.
#boyscout.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on February 13, 2015, 07:01:00 PM
The biggest/best race in New Zealand (Speight's Coast to Coast) has exceeded its bandwidth and I cannot track my good friend Braden Currie (in the lead by 6 minutes at the start of the paddle).  Damn!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: David "Stubb" Oswald on February 13, 2015, 08:09:12 PM
Yeah, I've noticed a deeply profound effect of ambient temperature on perceived exertion. Hard training in super-hot places is fucking brutal.

I remember reading about a study of participants of a marathon run in the snow. Those who tried to train in the cold as preparation were significantly slower than those who came from somewhere nice where they could train on a beach. Training in the heat helps aerobic performance.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on February 13, 2015, 09:02:07 PM
back on line.  ten minutes ahead of #2.  go Braden.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on February 14, 2015, 01:09:24 AM
Braden won by five minutes.  He'll be pleased with the 10 grand.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 14, 2015, 01:36:16 AM
yea. these days I just feel the need to get out of the house, wander, relax, stretch, exercise, whatever.
summer's almost over, though, I dunno how that's going to change things...hopefully I can turn it to my advantage and use it to encourage more aerobic endeavors.

Meh, fuck dedicated aerobics. :)

Seriously though, you can get a lot of the same benefits from other high intensity training.

I've wondered if one's own fitness plays any role in that. like, I seem to suffer the heat so much worse than other people born and raised in the climate, including others who are as active as me. I wonder if it's like they're fitter and keep a lower resting heart rate or some variable like this that means I'm suffering worse because I'm in worse shape in terms of aerobic/stamina exercise.

Born and raised is another issue, but I'm sure you're right in that the fitter you are, the easier time of it you'll have in the heat (or if it's not easier, at least you'll have a higher work capacity).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 14, 2015, 01:49:02 AM
Meh, fuck dedicated aerobics. :)
Seriously though, you can get a lot of the same benefits from other high intensity training.

I think that would require even _more_ motivation. something I have in short supply for even simple things like ordinary life.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 14, 2015, 05:57:03 AM
I guess my point is that if doing something you enjoy confers the same benefits as something you don't, it's nice to be able to go with enjoyment (certainly better for long term adherence).

Clearly I'm tainting this with my own loves, though. For me, being able to reap cardiovascular fitness improvements from weight training is a godsend.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on February 16, 2015, 05:06:18 PM
"Why am I the only one who is doing more than 5 minutes on the bike? I've been spinning for 20 minutes and at least three people have come and gone from the bike next to me in that time..."

5 minutes is all it takes.  One minute warm up and a Tabata.  Your good to go.  Just don't try squeeze in a proper ride in the next 24 yours.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on February 16, 2015, 05:09:25 PM
We have found a new masseuse.  She arrives at the door and gives a great massage; good value, too.  I asked her to go deep in my lower back last night... nice.  But she had to have a go (they all do) at my ITBs... youch!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 23, 2015, 02:44:23 AM
Workout space was again severely limited so I started on the Insanity work out videos next to my bed again.
Tge format is everything I hate in the world but damn if it doesnt get me breathing like an elderly asthmatic. Whenever I stick with it for a few weeks my resting heart rate drops a few beats.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 25, 2015, 12:42:00 AM
Bruised shins and scraped knees from yesterdays bag circuit.
Feels so perversely good.
Also the DOMs from the weight training in the last few days are hitting so I feel bigger than I actually am!

Interestingly, there are some guys from Nepal, Sri Lanka and India on the ship, watching them workout is bizarre. They do all this 1950s brittish military calisthenics and basically just kind of walk very slowly around the running track.
Theres one Nepalese guy who trains in a somewhat modern way and he is a BEAST. Not sure why the others havent caught on.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 25, 2015, 01:28:06 AM
Also the DOMs from the weight training in the last few days are hitting so I feel bigger than I actually am!

Due to inflammation, you might actually be slightly bigger.  :)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 25, 2015, 01:51:53 AM
Also the DOMs from the weight training in the last few days are hitting so I feel bigger than I actually am!

Due to inflammation, you might actually be slightly bigger.  :)
This is true! Post workout is my favourite topless selfie time!
But the mirror reliably informs me that Im not as big as I feel lol!
I kind of feel like I may like to develop my shoulders to be slightly out or proportion. What do you think?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 25, 2015, 07:22:06 AM
Also the DOMs from the weight training in the last few days are hitting so I feel bigger than I actually am!

Due to inflammation, you might actually be slightly bigger.  :)
This is true! Post workout is my favourite topless selfie time!
But the mirror reliably informs me that Im not as big as I feel lol!
I kind of feel like I may like to develop my shoulders to be slightly out or proportion. What do you think?

Shoulders are notoriously hard to develop for those who elect not to use performance enhancing drugs, so attempting to overdevelop your shoulders is not a bad plan if you have aesthetic goals.

The caveat is that the shoulder joint is fragile, so you need to factor that in, too, and not succumb to overuse injuries (which are likely given enough time and a certain training volume—which will be different for each person—even using good technique).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 25, 2015, 08:38:12 AM
Interestingly, there are some guys from Nepal, Sri Lanka and India on the ship, watching them workout is bizarre. They do all this 1950s brittish military calisthenics and basically just kind of walk very slowly around the running track.
Theres one Nepalese guy who trains in a somewhat modern way and he is a BEAST. Not sure why the others havent caught on.

did someone say India and beast?

Ranjit Bhachu from the UK's calisthenics crew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kxSH8YkMt4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kxSH8YkMt4)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on February 25, 2015, 08:41:28 AM
I kind of feel like I may like to develop my shoulders to be slightly out or proportion. What do you think?

what part of the shoulders?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Caffiene on February 25, 2015, 08:51:17 AM
Shoulders are notoriously hard to develop for those who elect not to use performance enhancing drugs

Aint that the truth...
Ive been trying to target mine for a while now with little success. Starting to see some improvement, but only in the front and middle heads, with the rear lagging behind.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on February 25, 2015, 09:21:24 AM
Shoulders are notoriously hard to develop for those who elect not to use performance enhancing drugs

Aint that the truth...
Ive been trying to target mine for a while now with little success. Starting to see some improvement, but only in the front and middle heads, with the rear lagging behind.

Making good progress elsewhere?

What most people don't appreciate enough is that beyond newbie gains, muscle growth is a really fucking slow process. That's the basis of the phenomenon of trying to force growth through excessive "bulking", which I am of course totally unfamiliar with.  ;D
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Caffiene on February 25, 2015, 09:34:02 AM
Making good progress elsewhere?

Yes and no.
Im certainly better than before I started, so theres progress, but Im naturally very thin and dont get a lot of noticable aesthetic growth for a given amount of effort or even for a given amount of strength progress.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 25, 2015, 10:03:15 AM
Cheers for the words of caution.
Im looking specifically at delts and traps. Traps are a nightmare to try and develop. Im spending about an hour a week (3 sessions) just on that area though.

GS- Yeah, some Indian guys have redonculous physiques! Im always blown away by Bollywood actors.
The caliisthenics I mean though are more the type you might imagine Ned Flanders or a comedic upperclass colonial British gentleman doing.
I cant stop looking and because Im supposed to work with these guys, I cant stop judging.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 01, 2015, 05:33:15 AM
two mini milestones in training this week:

1. finally got the ring MU _smoothly_, none of that cheaty momentum weight shifting. met an epic dude today who had a solid L-sit MU on rings, encouraged me to try to be stricter in my attempts.

2. finally achieved a basic skill on rings--back kip to support. it ain't graceful, and I fail at it more often than I succeed, but it's great to know that after 5 hours of "training" (mostly fucking about) I do have the strength for it, which I had thought was still not sufficient.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on March 01, 2015, 07:27:24 AM
... 1. finally got the ring MU _smoothly_, none of that cheaty momentum weight shifting. ...

To indulge in some nit-picking, if you could actually do that super-strict with no momentum I'd be very surprised (and impressed, actually).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 01, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
... 1. finally got the ring MU _smoothly_, none of that cheaty momentum weight shifting. ...

To indulge in some nit-picking, if you could actually do that super-strict with no momentum I'd be very surprised (and impressed, actually).

synonyms...
to me I was intentionally not saying 'strict' or 'no forward tilt' or 'straight arm' or any of the other buzzwords of gymnast level technique, to me they're not synonymous, I just mean to convey 'better than crossfit' and 'one smooth motion', whereas my muscle up was previously jerky (I didn't use leg kipping or fish flop hip kipping like a crossfitter, but did pivot at the transition in a way you could call upper body kipping), not as bad as body swinging or leg kipping, but still not the graceful movement you're after.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 01, 2015, 05:34:09 PM
d'you consider this 'strict'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sast2tAmK80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sast2tAmK80)
I just googled, hoping to find a description outside of professional gymnastics where they do it the way no one beneath competition level does it ([noembed]http://youtu.be/IgfA9kNrzXc?t=3m32s[/noembed]),
I don't see mine as any different to his, except that I'm not focusing at all on having graceful legs (partly because my rings are so low I have to bend them when I hang, unless I want to L-hang, and I'm not strong enough for L-MUs. met a guy yesterday though who's into powerlifting and calisthenics who nailed it. was cool to see IRL.
(click to show/hide)

not complaining about my back kip to support, either. it's dreadful, but I'm just thrilled that I can do it because it hopefully means I'll be developing the strength I need to get the graceful back roll to support
(click to show/hide)

I'm still struggling to even find a good demonstration or glossary/dictionary/jargon for the word 'strict' except on some crossfit page. it doesn't seem like it refers to straight body bent arm (kinda Bulgarian dip looking) or straight body straight arm (butterfly) technique.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 02, 2015, 03:40:35 PM
Ive lost a kilo in weight. Pretty sure its from fat but the fact remains that Ive gained nothing whatsoever in muscle.
Might give the creatine a go when I get home.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 02, 2015, 07:00:12 PM
Ive lost a kilo in weight. Pretty sure its from fat but the fact remains that Ive gained nothing whatsoever in muscle.

no weight, but maybe strength at least?
I've gained no weight over the last year, but I can do a lot of things I couldn't do previously.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 03, 2015, 04:58:34 AM
Yeah. Ive made some strength gains.
In all honesty Im balancing too many goals. If I focused just on one thing then I would do better Im sure but Im not willing to let stuff slip. When I start making progress on lifts I have to refocus on my run times, after that its swimming. Then its grappling or striking. Or both.
At the back of all that I have aesthetic goals. Or preferences would be a better term because Im not willing to give up any of the other stuff to achieve it.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on March 03, 2015, 01:15:05 PM
Ive lost a kilo in weight. Pretty sure its from fat but the fact remains that Ive gained nothing whatsoever in muscle.

Many would argue losing fat and gaining muscle are at odds with each other. Considering you've lost weight, why would you assume you should have gained any muscle?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 03, 2015, 01:36:11 PM
Well thats my point. I deduce from having lost fat that I havent gained any muscle. I wasnt trying to lose fat.
Quick question though, is there a point during the process of the body using fat for fuel where it could use it to build muscle? However briefly? Im assuming no because if the body is using fat then it stands to reason that it would not use the energy to create more mass to support?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on March 04, 2015, 01:26:26 PM
Well thats my point. I deduce from having lost fat that I havent gained any muscle. I wasnt trying to lose fat.
Quick question though, is there a point during the process of the body using fat for fuel where it could use it to build muscle? However briefly? Im assuming no because if the body is using fat then it stands to reason that it would not use the energy to create more mass to support?

Nothing definitive on that idea I've ever heard, but nonetheless, it's an idea I have heard experts discuss. Apparently simultaneous fat loss and muscle gain is far from impossible, but just difficult to accomplish for well-trained people.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 05, 2015, 08:43:22 PM
Bloody distance counter is broken on the treadmill. Trying to do time, speed, distance calc in your head while breathing through your arse and not falling off is tons of fun.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on March 06, 2015, 12:51:59 PM
... while breathing through your arse ...

You what now?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 06, 2015, 04:27:53 PM
... while breathing through your arse ...

You what now?
You never heard that? When you are so out of breath your body wants to co-opt new holes to breath through.
Not really of course but I like the imagery.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on March 06, 2015, 11:39:46 PM
Looking after kids for a week of their year ten camp was a workout.  Lots of nice walking in some nice bush, though.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 06, 2015, 11:44:54 PM
Looking after kids for a week of their year ten camp was a workout.  Lots of nice walking in some nice bush, though.

euphemism!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 08, 2015, 09:02:38 AM
so thrashed from work this week I was close to calling off my weekly workout, but decided to just go and see if I could manage anything.

hadn't tried the forward roll to support since before I was about to MU, and am happy to add that to my modest little highlight reel to continue the self-motivation.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152662154152111&l=6690915592027390342 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152662154152111&l=6690915592027390342)

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on March 08, 2015, 10:14:19 PM
I decreased the weights I have been using with my 5x5 programme (about 10%) or stopped adding to a few.  I increased the number of exercises by two and got back to working on good form.  I enjoyed today's workout; it was the end of the monday 18 hr fast. 
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 11, 2015, 07:41:46 AM
My laziness says that today could be a rest day. My schedule is shrugging and saying "whatever".
My self hating contrarion is saying I will have a forced rest day in the next week or so anyway, even if I dont reach a point where my body tells me to piss off before that...

Edit- OKAY!! I did a 20min kickboxing circuit and a 20min run.
Jeez. Get of my back you guys.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on March 11, 2015, 12:56:54 PM
My laziness says that today could be a rest day. My schedule is shrugging and saying "whatever".
My self hating contrarion is saying I will have a forced rest day in the next week or so anyway, even if I dont reach a point where my body tells me to piss off before that...

Edit- OKAY!! I did a 20min kickboxing circuit and a 20min run.
Jeez. Get of my back you guys.

Listen to your body and avoid injury.  Rest is critical to health and strength.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on March 11, 2015, 01:10:58 PM
My body is telling me to eat Peanut Butter Cups and snort heroin.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 11, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
Yeah. Not yet fatigued enough to be resting. Im actually feeling alot better for having done that session.
Lack of skin on my knuckles isnt doing my street cred any harm either but I just found out that the eastern european guys have been thinking my punisher t-shirt is a spetznas shirt. Time to switch to deadpool.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 21, 2015, 11:45:57 AM
Shooting my new bow actually works up a sweat and feels like a gook back workout.
I shot for about 30min today and then messed about on the rings. Got my first crucifix.
Might get a jog in later.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 21, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
messed about on the rings. Got my first crucifix.

dude, what?
I demand video!

I had tendonitis'esque pains all week from not even coming close to getting the crucifix last weekend. grrrr
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 21, 2015, 12:16:09 PM
messed about on the rings. Got my first crucifix.

dude, what?
I demand video!

I had tendonitis'esque pains all week from not even coming close to getting the crucifix last weekend. grrrr
I will pm you the link. Im pretty sure I got some part wrong, i was definitely wobbly as fuck.

Edit- imgur doesnt seem to let you work with video. If you know of another way other than youtube or public sites like that I will get it to you that way.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 21, 2015, 12:36:47 PM
Edit- imgur doesnt seem to let you work with video. If you know of another way other than youtube or public sites like that I will get it to you that way.

vimeo is shit because of a 45 minute delay time.
guys on r/bodyweightfitness share youtube vids that are often listed as 'unlisted' with the message 'please be thoughtful before sharing this', which I guess means the link is private if you only PM it, and you can always delete it afterwards.

and I'm sure there are dozens of file locker type websites, but I have no idea what ones would have a privacy policy that would work for you better than youtube.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 21, 2015, 05:04:12 PM
So Full disclosure- went through the video a bit more closely and I wasnt as close.as.I thought to a crucifix.
Godslayer gave some great tips though.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 22, 2015, 08:17:47 AM
So Full disclosure- went through the video a bit more closely and I wasnt as close.as.I thought to a crucifix.
Godslayer gave some great tips though.

best tip I can offer is to sign up to the reddit forum I mentioned, or gymnasticbodies forum. you get people there with really sound experience and success who're very pedantic about form and progressions out of a deep concern for avoiding injuries.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 09, 2015, 11:03:32 PM
Birthday climb with my best friend. 

(http://i.imgur.com/Os2wc1f.jpg)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 21, 2015, 04:36:00 PM
My recent laziness has made it hard to motivate myself for attribute specific workouts (ie- cant be arsed with a full strength session or a full cardio session) so Ive been doing crossfit style stuff. Intense, short runs with quick and easy exercises after to take me up to a 40-50min session.
Body feels good and its keeping me ticking over.
Im back up to squating 150% my bodyweight for three reps so Im pretty happy all round.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 21, 2015, 08:51:31 PM
I'm starting to feel like I'm making progress with my back strength

was happily surprised when I saw the height on this half-lay half front pull yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iszTsh2mkmg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iszTsh2mkmg)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 23, 2015, 07:23:01 PM
Impressive as always mate!

So Im a moron.
I measured my 5k route in the car a couple of years ago and did a terrible job. So yesterday I used my running app on it for the first time ever and realised it was a kilometer longer than i thought. This means my 5k time is 4min faster than I thought. And my military fitness test score is two minutes faster than I thought.
Oh and the 26miler I ran early last year? That was a 28miler.

Stupid brain.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 25, 2015, 03:48:39 AM
Oh and the 26miler I ran early last year? That was a 28miler.

goddamn, I struggle to get to the end of the block with any breath left.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 28, 2015, 08:49:13 AM
Oh and the 26miler I ran early last year? That was a 28miler.

goddamn, I struggle to get to the end of the block with any breath left.
Well its just a pain in the ass. I dont compete so my only marker for progress is my numbers and now i realise they have been out for the last couple of years and that might have changed how I trained.
The long distance bit is especially annoying because I very rarely do long distance and this has made that entire few hours utterly pointless.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 28, 2015, 09:55:50 AM
this has made that entire few hours utterly pointless.

how so?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on April 28, 2015, 02:39:22 PM
I have been running fairly consistently for the last 8 months, which means about running for 32 hours and 300 km this year.

What made today's run interesting is that I had a finger prick glucose and ketone test before and after running:

Before:

Glucose 4.7 mmol/L

Ketone 0.1 mmol/L

After:

Glucose 5.3 mmol/L

Ketone 0.2 mmol/L

These results indicate that my body was using both glycogen and fat to fuel my very slow, easy and shorter run today (we were exploring a few new trails and had to go through a lot of footpath gates).

It was also really nice as it isn't completely sodden and the bluebells are out.

https://www.thurrock.gov.uk/langdon-hills-country-park/overview (https://www.thurrock.gov.uk/langdon-hills-country-park/overview)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 28, 2015, 02:53:43 PM
this has made that entire few hours utterly pointless.

how so?
Because it didnt get me the information I wanted, which was my only motive for doing it. But hey, at least I know now.

Tatyana, glad you are liking the runs, that pinprick test sounds interesting, any info on where how to get it done? Is it by virtue of your job?
Also- I had to reread your last line several times to unsee the word "blueballs"
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 28, 2015, 02:55:43 PM
anywhere that does workplace health assessments should have them. (my mom works for one).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on April 28, 2015, 04:13:27 PM
this has made that entire few hours utterly pointless.

how so?
Because it didnt get me the information I wanted, which was my only motive for doing it. But hey, at least I know now.

Tatyana, glad you are liking the runs, that pinprick test sounds interesting, any info on where how to get it done? Is it by virtue of your job?
Also- I had to reread your last line several times to unsee the word "blueballs"

Yes, it is by virtue of my job, we are checking new glucose/ketone meters that are going to be on the wards.

LOL, blue balls.

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 28, 2015, 05:16:28 PM
Blood glucose measurements are cheap (thanks Dr Richard Bernstein) but blood ketone supplies are very expensive.  There is a meter by Ketonix that is a lot less expensive. 
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Tatyana on April 29, 2015, 02:37:08 PM
I think the ketone sticks were about £ 2 per strip/test.

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: David "Stubb" Oswald on May 04, 2015, 12:46:47 PM
Grad School + New Baby = Impossible to get to the gym or plan on sleeping enough to wake up for a run = 10 lbs gain in weight in past 8 months.

My new 15 minute five day a week work out to fix this is burpes plus speed rope. Will fix everything, I hope.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 04, 2015, 02:37:13 PM
Good call! I find the work arounds people do are far more interesting and impressive than pro routines with all the time in the world!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on May 04, 2015, 05:26:55 PM
Grad School + New Baby = Impossible to get to the gym or plan on sleeping enough to wake up for a run = 10 lbs gain in weight in past 8 months.

My new 15 minute five day a week work out to fix this is burpes plus speed rope. Will fix everything, I hope.

Good luck.  Stress doesn't contribute to weight loss or health.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 04, 2015, 08:04:07 PM
Grad School + New Baby = Impossible to get to the gym or plan on sleeping enough to wake up for a run = 10 lbs gain in weight in past 8 months.

My new 15 minute five day a week work out to fix this is burpes plus speed rope. Will fix everything, I hope.

you could probably plank with your baby.
maybe even do sit-ups using your baby as the medicine ball :P
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Naturebox on May 04, 2015, 09:05:02 PM
im 2000 calories over my daily intake, mostly carbs

idea is that tomorrow ill do lower than normal intake and low carb, repeat next day, and repeat entire cycle to begin my carb cycling diet

but turns out everything delicious is carbs and everything that takes forever to make is protein and fats so we'll see.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 04, 2015, 09:33:02 PM
everything that takes forever to make is protein and fats so we'll see.

::opens can of ready-to-eat flavored chicken in half a second::
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on May 05, 2015, 07:12:04 PM
OK. I am going mad. I have been getting back into the exercise regime.

Strict calorie counting (weighing portions, the whole bit) consuming between 1700 and 2000 calories per day (average 1792 based on the past 21 days) and walking not less than 15,000 steps a day (usually 18,000-25,000). I've even been eating "sensibly" - muesli

Since the online BMR calculators recommend that I need around 2000 calories per day just to live (Male, Mid 30's 6ft and 98kgs) , the steps should be melting the fat off. Instead, I've actually gained another kilogram.

So I'm feeling pretty well defeated at this stage.

I am contemplating getting a Fitbit ChargeHR (or similar) that should give me a more accurate calculation of the calories that I actually burn in a day - maybe that will help inspire me and to make it seem less futile.

 :crying:

ETA: This was driven by an office challenge to do 10,000 steps a day. the application we are using makes a "recommendation" as to how many calories you should consume based on your recorded activity levels - and that reports I should be eating 2,600 calories a day to "maintain" my weight. As you can guess, that nearly inspired me to tell them they could shove their program.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Naturebox on May 07, 2015, 10:37:28 PM
im 2000 calories over my daily intake, mostly carbs

idea is that tomorrow ill do lower than normal intake and low carb, repeat next day, and repeat entire cycle to begin my carb cycling diet

but turns out everything delicious is carbs and everything that takes forever to make is protein and fats so we'll see.

And yesterday I ate 2 medium pizzas so I am heading down a slippery slope of eating too much. Appetite is off the walls recently.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on May 08, 2015, 07:35:58 AM
im 2000 calories over my daily intake, mostly carbs

idea is that tomorrow ill do lower than normal intake and low carb, repeat next day, and repeat entire cycle to begin my carb cycling diet

but turns out everything delicious is carbs and everything that takes forever to make is protein and fats so we'll see.

And yesterday I ate 2 medium pizzas so I am heading down a slippery slope of eating too much. Appetite is off the walls recently.

Obviously everyone's preferences vary, but I hate cycling calories/carbs. I don't think it's necessary, but even if it offered some type of slight advantage, I don't think I'd do it.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: starnado on May 08, 2015, 08:15:19 AM
Did anyone else listen to 'Enquiring Minds - The Science of Weight Loss'?.

It was genuinely fascinating.

I haven't the time at the moment to elaborate but it seemed relevant to DG's post.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on May 08, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
Did anyone else listen to 'Enquiring Minds - The Science of Weight Loss'?.

It was genuinely fascinating.

I haven't the time at the moment to elaborate but it seemed relevant to DG's post.

Currently struggling through the microbiome one. Oh my god, the vocal fry on that dude. Fucking agonizing.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on May 08, 2015, 01:34:48 PM
Did anyone else listen to 'Enquiring Minds - The Science of Weight Loss'?.

It was genuinely fascinating.

I haven't the time at the moment to elaborate but it seemed relevant to DG's post.

I did.  It was good, but not great. 

I was pleased that Kashore took note of my comment last week and amended his mistake of saying the Atkins
Diet was a "high protein" diet.  He couldn't bring himself to say it was ha high fat diet, but he also commented that, it like all diets, didn't work.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on May 08, 2015, 01:43:15 PM
A really good interview with Stephan Guyenet here:  http://www.latestinpaleo.com/paleo-podcast/ (http://www.latestinpaleo.com/paleo-podcast/)

Much better value than the one on IM.  A bit more on the cutting edge of obesity research.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 08, 2015, 02:47:24 PM
Did some gymnastics with my 10 tear old niece today.
Holy crap she is good!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 08, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
Did some gymnastics with my 10 tear old niece today.
Holy crap she is good!

lol, so frustrating, eh. why couldn't my parents put ME in gymnastics!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 15, 2015, 03:43:42 AM
My sister was getting rid of some hemp rotein and I figured a months worth of free protein sounded good!
I was wrong. Its disgusting. It tastes like peas.
It does clump less than any other protein Ive ever had though so I may try mixing with applejuice later.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 15, 2015, 10:08:40 AM
hmm, never heard of that one before. I guess we now know why!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 15, 2015, 10:26:49 AM
We had no applejuice but grape worked really well!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Naturebox on May 18, 2015, 01:03:38 AM
im 2000 calories over my daily intake, mostly carbs

idea is that tomorrow ill do lower than normal intake and low carb, repeat next day, and repeat entire cycle to begin my carb cycling diet

but turns out everything delicious is carbs and everything that takes forever to make is protein and fats so we'll see.


And yesterday I ate 2 medium pizzas so I am heading down a slippery slope of eating too much. Appetite is off the walls recently.

Obviously everyone's preferences vary, but I hate cycling calories/carbs. I don't think it's necessary, but even if it offered some type of slight advantage, I don't think I'd do it.

I notice really good results when I have the mental capacity (patience to cook) to keep it up. But I can understand how it would be annoying to actually maintain over long periods of time.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on May 18, 2015, 02:56:31 PM
im 2000 calories over my daily intake, mostly carbs

idea is that tomorrow ill do lower than normal intake and low carb, repeat next day, and repeat entire cycle to begin my carb cycling diet

but turns out everything delicious is carbs and everything that takes forever to make is protein and fats so we'll see.


And yesterday I ate 2 medium pizzas so I am heading down a slippery slope of eating too much. Appetite is off the walls recently.

Obviously everyone's preferences vary, but I hate cycling calories/carbs. I don't think it's necessary, but even if it offered some type of slight advantage, I don't think I'd do it.

I notice really good results when I have the mental capacity (patience to cook) to keep it up. But I can understand how it would be annoying to actually maintain over long periods of time.

It's not the practical doing of it that I don't like, it's the experience of differing intakes.

Are you claiming results beyond a more consistent approach?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2015, 10:41:53 AM
I spent a good thirty minutes of my workout today trying and failing to go from a half lever to a handstand, but I feel as if I did a seiously heavy shoulders and back workout!
I guess I did...
Im getting as far as a head stand and getting my head a few inches off the ground but I need to build up to the full range of motion.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on May 19, 2015, 10:53:58 AM
For Tatyana. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq3rA6-fN4A
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 19, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
I spent a good thirty minutes of my workout today trying and failing to go from a half lever to a handstand,

half lever?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2015, 05:32:10 PM
I spent a good thirty minutes of my workout today trying and failing to go from a half lever to a handstand,

half lever?
Thats what its called in my book. So I have two push up bars and I sit between them and lift myself off the ground with my legs at a right angle. Thats the half lever.
From there I pull my legs through to a planche and from there I try to go for a handstand.
I can get my body in the position but just dont have the strength to push all the way up from there.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 19, 2015, 05:42:27 PM
So I have two push up bars and I sit between them and lift myself off the ground with my legs at a right angle. Thats the half lever.

not sure if you mean L-sit or advanced tuck planche. nothing I've seen the word 'lever' applied to (e.g., front lever, back lever, side lever (aka human flag), and body lever (aka dragon flag))

From there I pull my legs through to a planche and from there I try to go for a handstand.
I can get my body in the position but just dont have the strength to push all the way up from there.

aah.
yea, took me a while to get that, too. my balance is still too shit to hold it, though.
wall HSPU should help you get there.

From there I pull my legs through to a planche

I assume you mean a tuck planche, maybe even a bent arm tuck planche. otherwise you're attempting a hollow back press, which is super hard (up there with full front lever and the other lower intermediate abilities)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti_g3C6uHFc

I can't even BAsPl as easily as that kid does full BAPl... never mind press to HS from it like that! grrr
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Naturebox on May 19, 2015, 10:46:06 PM
I seriously hate rest days. Doing absolutely nothing because science and biology and what not (muscle repair/growth) just makes me so restless.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 20, 2015, 06:55:12 AM
GS, yeah, sorry, Im not very concise as Im learning out of a book on my phone and the terms seem to be a bit off.
So yeah, L sit to tucked planche and then getting my toes pointed toward the ceiling in a kind of forearm stand (but hands are the only point of contact) and Im fizzling there.
Ive been doing some supported against the wall and Im hitting the same sticking point but I feel like I will get there.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on May 20, 2015, 03:07:17 PM
I just finished three days teaching the HS kids lead climbing on real rock.  Very cool as they were all into it.  We lucked into some very good weather and had a very nice hut nearly to ourselves. 

I even got a few short pitches in myself. 

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 20, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
GS, yeah, sorry, Im not very concise as Im learning out of a book on my phone and the terms seem to be a bit off.
So yeah, L sit to tucked planche and then getting my toes pointed toward the ceiling in a kind of forearm stand (but hands are the only point of contact) and Im fizzling there.
Ive been doing some supported against the wall and Im hitting the same sticking point but I feel like I will get there.

you definitely will :)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 21, 2015, 06:45:27 AM
Broke through my sticking point yesterday. I think I need to do these sessions before my cardio so I have my full strength available but Im going to focus on the full range of motion in isolation before I put the whole thing together.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on May 21, 2015, 02:50:47 PM
I seriously hate rest days. Doing absolutely nothing because science and biology and what not (muscle repair/growth) just makes me so restless.

I hate them, too. Which is why, unless I'm ill, I don't often take them.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on May 21, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
Turkeys... playing chicken.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mH6g0f0aFIk/VV3sLO84QlI/AAAAAAAAVD0/6Helr6YRgJk/w1024-h637-no/D.jpg)

Local cyclist died last year after crashing into one of these things.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 21, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Local cyclist died last year after crashing into one of these things.

meanwhile everyone complains about concussions in american football.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 22, 2015, 01:11:01 AM
Local cyclist died last year after crashing into one of these things.

meanwhile everyone complains about concussions in american football.
Well I think those are very different things. You arent supposed to fall off a bike and not all cyclists have serious accidents but its almost impossible to play certain positions in american footie without getting a concussion at least once.
The effect of pro or even college ball on the brain is quite bad and the issue arises with pushing kids into playing it and offering young men from poverty affected backgrounds, a choice between untold riches and a healthy brain. Its not an ethical position to put someone in when they could just adjust the rules slightly.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: starnado on May 22, 2015, 04:26:17 AM
I have been really good for the last few weeks about cycling to work as frequently as I had planned and my averages have improved. I feel great too.
Not only that but the weather has been fine enough to use the canal route which is just beautiful. Herons and greenfinches and wagtails (both types) and dog rose and Indian balsam. Blackthorn and brambles and three types of geese, not to mention the forty or so swans that live near me. Such a privilege.

The only downside is that (depending on the wind direction) you get a strong smell of sewage near Pickett's Lock and a smell of garbage from the ecoplant where rubbish is processed for compost and also burnt to generate electricity.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Belcher on May 25, 2015, 02:36:58 AM
1. Buuurp. Uugh.  I shouldn't have eaten that habanero shrimp burrito before running an hour on the treadmill. Buuurp uuugggghh.
geeky stuff to buy (http://www.loveandbuyit.net/)

What is so bad eating them all? I do not think it is bad at all.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on May 28, 2015, 01:46:32 AM
Did the favourite local loop today with the dog.  Six and a half K's, 500m climb and descent (undulating steeply in true Kiwi stye) .  Snow at the top.  Fifty minutes up, thirty down, including a short chat with a buddy out checking his possum trap line. 

Couldn't keep up with Joe, but  have got 61 years on him.

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 28, 2015, 05:10:59 AM
Did a bag circuit a couple of days ago, wore wraps and gloves but for the first time in 16 years of hitting punchbags I made a bad connection and hurt my wrist. Cant put pressure on it or rotate a full range of motion but nothing seems broken.
Pain in the ass for my scheduled training.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 28, 2015, 10:43:20 AM
Did a bag circuit a couple of days ago, wore wraps and gloves but for the first time in 16 years of hitting punchbags I made a bad connection and hurt my wrist. Cant put pressure on it or rotate a full range of motion but nothing seems broken.
Pain in the ass for my scheduled training.

eep.
one of my coworkers broke his wrist while I was away on injury leave, just from a bad jump landing. he didn't think it was that bad until he realized, like you're saying, he couldn't put pressure on it (lift things), and headed for the ER.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 28, 2015, 11:20:28 AM
Nah, Im as certain as I can be without x-ray that its a sprain at worst 
Just need to avoid certain exercises for a bit.
The ship Im on has broken aircon at the minute and its getting to 47 degrees celcius outside so when I used the gym today I looked like I had been swimming!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on May 28, 2015, 11:33:33 AM
Nah, Im as certain as I can be without x-ray that its a sprain at worst 
Just need to avoid certain exercises for a bit.
The ship Im on has broken aircon at the minute and its getting to 47 degrees celcius outside so when I used the gym today I looked like I had been swimming!

I don't think I could sleep in that heat without looking like I'd been swimming. no, I don't think I could sleep comma period period
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on May 28, 2015, 11:47:46 AM
Nah, Im as certain as I can be without x-ray that its a sprain at worst 
Just need to avoid certain exercises for a bit.
The ship Im on has broken aircon at the minute and its getting to 47 degrees celcius outside so when I used the gym today I looked like I had been swimming!

I don't think I could sleep in that heat without looking like I'd been swimming. no, I don't think I could sleep comma period period
Its not that hot inside at night but Id say it could be early to mid thirties.
I tend to wet a towel and lay it across my chest which lowers the temperature nicely.
Yet despite seeing how soundly I sleep, other people balk at trying it and resign to twist and turn and sweat until they get sone sort of sleep.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on June 14, 2015, 10:26:12 AM
My recovery from last summers surgery has put firmly in my mind the importance of physical fitness in recovery from serious illness or injury and how it can help with mobility during such periods.
I just noticed an old bullet wound on my room mates back and it turns out he was shot close to the spine a few years ago in Kabul. After surgery he was back on the ground within 6 weeks (having spent two weeks in the ops room) the doctors informed him that it was due to luck obviously but the speed of his recovery was in large part down to him being so much more fit than a normal soldier.

I know no one here expects (Or expected in some cases) to get shot but people had often asked me why I train so hard if I dont do sports so I guess the point is that random shit happens and physical fitness is never a bad investment.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on June 14, 2015, 02:05:12 PM
Having been to hospital for both orthopaedic and cancer procedures,  I agree and overall fitness has served me well.  The nurses were concerned when I was feeding myself 4500 cal of 'Isosource" after cancer surgery, though.  One can get hungry when eating through the nose.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on June 18, 2015, 07:06:42 PM
Does clearing snow, chainsawing my way out 40cm of snow in the 800m  drive most of the night count?  One more go at a bunch of stuff and I'm ready for a morning nap.  I did have a very nice LCHF breakfast.  I am totally over this climate change shit. 

At least I don't live on the West Coast... 400ml of rain overnight. 
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on June 18, 2015, 07:37:44 PM
400ml of rain overnight.

Wow... that's like... more than a cup.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on June 18, 2015, 10:09:25 PM
400ml of rain overnight.

Wow... that's like... more than a cup.

Sorry, my bad... mm not ml.  Quite a lot of flood damage, that's a lot even for them. About 16 inches (in American) in a 24 hour period.  We got 88 mm, most of it snow.  Drive is now drivable without chains on the 4wd.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on June 19, 2015, 12:07:03 AM
400ml of rain overnight.

Wow... that's like... more than a cup.

Sorry, my bad... mm not ml.  Quite a lot of flood damage, that's a lot even for them. About 16 inches (in American) in a 24 hour period.  We got 88 mm, most of it snow.  Drive is now drivable without chains on the 4wd.

I was gunna say! I heard Ash got snow, so I thought the rain would be less (bucketed down in my parts of town).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on June 21, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
Spent a week on a ship where no one spoke english. My morning shift consisted of 2 hrs pacing up and down the bridge wings deep in thought, I calculated from my pace etc that this was a 10k walk every day. My night shift was broken up and made less monotonous by taking 20min every hour to do sets of an exercise,stopping before I started to sweat and then cooling down before going again.
On the whole none of this sounds or felt like much but each morning I definitely had that great post workout stiffness.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on June 22, 2015, 05:20:51 AM
Got out for a ski this afternoon.  Forty minutes skating in the big paddocks behind the house.  Snow was perfect... dog was more than pleased.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on June 22, 2015, 02:27:24 PM
Checked my Strava cycling stats this morning - accumulated elevation gain broke 100,000 ft for the year as of Saturday's ride.  And I'm only 13th in the club list.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on June 28, 2015, 11:50:39 AM
What is it with people who need to use the squat rack or bench for bicep curls?
And they are always people with a lot of obvious gym experience.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on June 28, 2015, 04:07:52 PM
What is it with people who need to use the squat rack or bench for bicep curls?
And they are always people with a lot of obvious gym experience.

I dare you to ask 'em.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on June 28, 2015, 04:10:30 PM
What is it with people who need to use the squat rack or bench for bicep curls?
And they are always people with a lot of obvious gym experience.

I dare you to ask 'em.
Challenge accepted!
Yo Plastiq...
:p
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on June 29, 2015, 01:19:30 AM
Unpacked and racked 4m3 of lengths of dressed timber.  Lots of clean and press.  Hard work for an old man.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on June 30, 2015, 03:28:27 PM
What is it with people who need to use the squat rack or bench for bicep curls?
And they are always people with a lot of obvious gym experience.

I dare you to ask 'em.
Challenge accepted!
Yo Plastiq...
:p

Anathema to me. Really bad form.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: starnado on July 01, 2015, 04:57:02 AM
I have cycled 730km in the last 6 months. That is my yearly record of 690km beaten with 6 months to go. Not loads, but good for me!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on July 18, 2015, 12:08:49 AM
We had the local nothing but music channel going at the gym and as I was finishing my last sets (back squats), some guy plugged his phone into the amp and the most dreadful rap at high volume spewed out.  A couple of us just left.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on July 18, 2015, 02:27:53 AM
[No iPod] + [commercial gym] = [vast quantities of incorrectitude]
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on July 18, 2015, 03:42:10 AM
We had the local nothing but music channel going at the gym and as I was finishing my last sets (back squats), some guy plugged his phone into the amp and the most dreadful rap at high volume spewed out.  A couple of us just left.

in future, ask who the group is. for me. do it for me :)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on July 18, 2015, 03:44:26 AM
[No iPod] + [commercial gym] = [vast quantities of incorrectitude]

radio/gym have, over the course of 20 years, given me the gift of a total of three good songs:

Wu Tang - Gravel Pit
Knife Party - Bonfire
Big Sean - Beware

everything else I have loathed
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on July 18, 2015, 09:02:40 AM
Thats why for me, noise cancelling headphones in the gym are an absolute MUST. It seems like most gym users and gyms play stuff that I just cant abide.
Im always careful if doing heavy sets though not to listen to comedy though!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on July 19, 2015, 03:12:18 PM
We had the local nothing but music channel going at the gym and as I was finishing my last sets (back squats), some guy plugged his phone into the amp and the most dreadful rap at high volume spewed out.  A couple of us just left.

in future, ask who the group is. for me. do it for me :)

And then say "Asking for my grandma, she likes that kind of music."
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on July 19, 2015, 06:38:57 PM
Random thought:

It doesn't take long for you to lose the benefits of all that exercise you've done.

(Specifically referring to strength - I've been really slack on basic strength stuff like push-ups for a long time. I thought "Hey, I should be able to churn out around 50. I could 12 months ago.". Turns out I was wrong, horribly, horribly wrong).
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Post by: Harry Black on July 19, 2015, 06:53:55 PM
On the plus side, it comes back really fast too.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on July 19, 2015, 07:53:25 PM
On the plus side, it comes back really fast too.

I hope so.

I figured that it must still be there somewhere because my muscle mas hadn't significantly changed (given that it's under a well established layer of fat, it's hard to be certain, but based on the fit of clothes and the weight on the scales, my size really hasn't changed much. )

I figure if I do push-up to fail multiple times a day for a a few weeks it should be back soon.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 19, 2015, 08:10:35 PM
It probably will but there might be a smarter and faster way to do it by doing relatively short sessions and doing multiple sets, giving the muscle group perhaps a day to recover.
Personally I find high reps of stuff like push ups and pull ups to cause inflammation of my tendons sometimes so Ive moved more toward doing less reps.with more resistance as a way of trying to preserve my joint mobility. There was a time a few years ago when I was doing around 70 pull ups a day and the pain in my tendons became such that I had to stop working out for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on July 20, 2015, 12:28:07 AM
It probably will but there might be a smarter and faster way to do it by doing relatively short sessions and doing multiple sets, giving the muscle group perhaps a day to recover.
Personally I find high reps of stuff like push ups and pull ups to cause inflammation of my tendons sometimes so Ive moved more toward doing less reps.with more resistance as a way of trying to preserve my joint mobility. There was a time a few years ago when I was doing around 70 pull ups a day and the pain in my tendons became such that I had to stop working out for a few weeks.

crazy. you mean elbow tendons or wrists or what?

did you do any straight arm strength training? I've got half my workplace on that vibe lately :D always saying 'you can't train just bent arm strength bro!'
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Post by: Plastiq on July 20, 2015, 02:45:55 AM
It probably will but there might be a smarter and faster way to do it by doing relatively short sessions and doing multiple sets, giving the muscle group perhaps a day to recover.
Personally I find high reps of stuff like push ups and pull ups to cause inflammation of my tendons sometimes so Ive moved more toward doing less reps.with more resistance as a way of trying to preserve my joint mobility. There was a time a few years ago when I was doing around 70 pull ups a day and the pain in my tendons became such that I had to stop working out for a few weeks.

Ugh, endless trouble with my elbow tendons last few years. Have to constantly work around both low grade golfer's and tennis elbow.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on July 20, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
I might be lucky, but I keep my left elbow happy by always doing chin ups on parallel bars, thumbs back.  Doesn't matter if I wrap my thumbs around or not.  Doesn't take too many sets on a horizontal bar to bring on elbow tendon grief.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on July 21, 2015, 01:17:31 AM
I might be lucky, but I keep my left elbow happy by always doing chin ups on parallel bars, thumbs back.  Doesn't matter if I wrap my thumbs around or not.  Doesn't take too many sets on a horizontal bar to bring on elbow tendon grief.

Solely rings and, less frequently, rotating metal handles for me these days.

Actually, the ring version has become a staple; really good exercise. Palms forward at the bottom, rotating around to face me as I pull myself up—with very strict form sans bouncing or swinging.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on July 21, 2015, 09:37:04 AM
Palms forward at the bottom, rotating around to face me as I pull myself up

yea, it's much more pleasant than a straight bar. you can even turn them a little more outward before facing forward at the bottom if you like, too, just to go for maximum ROM.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on July 21, 2015, 10:09:58 AM
I have lots of hangovers from unscientific bro style training and martial arts when I was younger that will likely plague me as I age.
Doing reps for volume and time seems to have done a lot of damage, traditional japanese sword training likewise seems to have left my knees and triceps in bad shape. Wrist locks applied too fast by people with too little skill (some even wearing very very dark belts) have left me with crackly hands and wrists (seriously, fuck wrist locks, they damage people in training and dont control anyone you arent significantly stronger than anyway. DONT DO THEM!!)
A friend messing about with a sharp blade also accidentally severed my thumb tendon (I mean wtf?!) so even typing this today is tough.

Bro science and argument from antiquity. Bleh.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on July 21, 2015, 11:32:46 AM
chest is sore today -- the good kind of sore.
I'm back to bench press (albeit at a low weight) now that my thumb seems to be able to handle it and the new opportunity of paper-shuffling duties at work have afforded me the luxury of harder workouts :)
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Post by: Plastiq on July 21, 2015, 01:16:45 PM
you can even turn them a little more outward before facing forward at the bottom if you like, too, just to go for maximum ROM.

Why would you do that?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on July 21, 2015, 05:24:44 PM
I made a pair of 20kg size wooden discs for the Olympic bar at our gym.  One of the teachers is keen to get some littlies started on dead lifts today...  I hope they work for them.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on July 21, 2015, 11:10:39 PM
you can even turn them a little more outward before facing forward at the bottom if you like, too, just to go for maximum ROM.

Why would you do that?

to strain your full ROM, same reason you bother going all the way to a dead hang, except for a different muscle group (forearms more than biceps).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on July 23, 2015, 08:14:09 AM
I should have stated my goal. I hope to get from 7 pushups to 20 pushups in the week from when I realised i couldnt do 50...

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Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on July 23, 2015, 10:17:24 AM
I should have stated my goal. I hope to get from 7 pushups to 20 pushups in the week from when I realised i couldnt do 50...

I've never done 50 of any form. no real strength, and definitely no stamina.

what form do you use?
I'd be impressed by even twenty in proper/traditional form (aka floor dips), I find them a lot harder than the normal ones most people do.
https://youtu.be/4dF1DOWzf20?t=1m51s (this guy's one of the mods over on a reddit fitness page)

it's strange, I was doing dips today at work and a coworker commented how he couldn't suss out how to do it in that proper dip form, his elbows wanted to go out, the way normal people do a press-up. I might have to see if I can get him to do press-ups tomorrow with good form (elbows in), see if he has the same problem.

must be some curious mechanics involved, there's also a guy who thrashes me in an arm wrestle who is also short and light (the trifecta for bodyweight training excellence!), but somehow can't figure out the Korean dips I can smash out sets of. (another elbows in pressing exercise).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on July 23, 2015, 10:38:22 AM
you can even turn them a little more outward before facing forward at the bottom if you like, too, just to go for maximum ROM.

Why would you do that?

to strain your full ROM, same reason you bother going all the way to a dead hang, except for a different muscle group (forearms more than biceps).

That might make sense if gravity worked sideways as well as vertically.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 23, 2015, 11:13:03 AM
you can even turn them a little more outward before facing forward at the bottom if you like, too, just to go for maximum ROM.

Why would you do that?

to strain your full ROM, same reason you bother going all the way to a dead hang, except for a different muscle group (forearms more than biceps).

That might make sense if gravity worked sideways as well as vertically.

it's not gravity, it's ROM.

it's not at all uncommon for beginners to find it hard to get a proper dead hang in false grip, their arms prefer to stay a little bent. with more strength and flexibility, they can hang fully locked out RTO.

you should be able to feel the difference. it's the same with the grip used for a back lever, which is why everyone will always stress that you need to warm up your biceps before training that, because it stretches them a lot. Hell, just extend your arm now and watch how your biceps change extension when you alternate between pronating and supinating your fist...I'm told this is the exact purpose of the biceps...I infer from that that this is why we have two of them. if all they were for was bending the forearm you'd only need the one
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Post by: Plastiq on July 23, 2015, 02:04:06 PM
And I'm struggling to see the utility of range of motion under no resistance.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Anders on July 23, 2015, 02:21:14 PM
If I learned anything from the Rocky movies it is that the shabbier your training conditions, the better your chances of winning.
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Post by: DG on July 23, 2015, 08:30:54 PM
I should have stated my goal. I hope to get from 7 pushups to 20 pushups in the week from when I realised i couldnt do 50...

I've never done 50 of any form. no real strength, and definitely no stamina.

what form do you use?
I'd be impressed by even twenty in proper/traditional form (aka floor dips), I find them a lot harder than the normal ones most people do.
https://youtu.be/4dF1DOWzf20?t=1m51s (this guy's one of the mods over on a reddit fitness page)

it's strange, I was doing dips today at work and a coworker commented how he couldn't suss out how to do it in that proper dip form, his elbows wanted to go out, the way normal people do a press-up. I might have to see if I can get him to do press-ups tomorrow with good form (elbows in), see if he has the same problem.

must be some curious mechanics involved, there's also a guy who thrashes me in an arm wrestle who is also short and light (the trifecta for bodyweight training excellence!), but somehow can't figure out the Korean dips I can smash out sets of. (another elbows in pressing exercise).

This is interesting, when I was younger we were taught to do push-ups both as indicated in that clip, but also with the hands wider apart, keeping the forearms perpendicular but elbows are wider of the body (widegrip here (http://www.builtlean.com/2011/03/02/push-up-variations-exercise/)): The explanation was always that it targeted a different muscle group (one works the shoulders while the other works the chest, or something like that).

That said, I can do about 20 of the wider ones presently, it's the ones with the elbows tucked in with hands lower that I am trying to get back to doing - I am still a long way short of my 20 goal.

I tend to do them on my knuckles (simply that's the way I was taught), but I am finding that it's causing pain (I suspect from old football injuries), so I might have to learn how to do it on my palms.

We also did hands together under the chest (thumb and forefinger forming a diamond on the floor), but I've not tried that in years. - I doubt I could do one that way now.

This is a better demo:
https://www.fitnessblender.com/exercises/push-up-wide-lv-2
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 24, 2015, 10:42:33 AM
And I'm struggling to see the utility of range of motion under no resistance.

your entire bodyweight is the resistance.
do you honestly feel no difference/discomfort? you must be way more flexible than me (like those fuckers who can planche on flat hands)
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 24, 2015, 10:47:15 AM
We also did hands together under the chest (thumb and forefinger forming a diamond on the floor), but I've not tried that in years. - I doubt I could do one that way now.

I don't find them to be all that different from the elbows in hands low form you're describing. ... though it depends how low we're talking (e.g., PPPU - pseudo-planche push-up)

I tend to do them on my knuckles (simply that's the way I was taught), but I am finding that it's causing pain (I suspect from old football injuries), so I might have to learn how to do it on my palms.

where abouts? you could use bars as an alternative (same wrist position, but none of the knuckle pressure). I try to mix it up, so I can get good at doing them in any conditions.
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Post by: Plastiq on July 25, 2015, 05:26:58 AM
And I'm struggling to see the utility of range of motion under no resistance.

your entire bodyweight is the resistance.
do you honestly feel no difference/discomfort? you must be way more flexible than me (like those fuckers who can planche on flat hands)

There is very little horizontal resistance. That's why, beyond making the movement comfortable and safe, I don't see the point in exaggeratedly pronating your hands at the bottom of the movement.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on July 28, 2015, 01:14:41 AM
Random thought:

It doesn't take long for you to lose the benefits of all that exercise you've done.

(Specifically referring to strength - I've been really slack on basic strength stuff like push-ups for a long time. I thought "Hey, I should be able to churn out around 50. I could 12 months ago.". Turns out I was wrong, horribly, horribly wrong).

Today,  21 pushups! (in the first set, then 16 and 14). But still. I got through 20!
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Post by: Harry Black on August 12, 2015, 05:37:14 PM
Since I started lifting more weight, more carefully, Ive had to get used to not sweating as much as I used to. It feels weird and wrong and made me need a run at the end of my workout.
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 16, 2015, 09:36:55 AM
finally made it to the new indoor place that opened a couple months back :) haven't worked on bar instead of rings in aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages, since summer, I guess. it was neat.

got a few firsts, too!

got 'em on tape -- hopefully they'll make for good before and afters when I get graceful :P  when not if!!
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Post by: Harry Black on August 16, 2015, 09:49:43 AM
Nice one!
I got the punch bag back up in the yard but apparently it reverberates through the house so I can only use it before 8:30. Had to stop my workout halfway through the other night so I switched to three minute rounds of (trying to) sprinting and ended up with a really good heartrate session. I was being lazy on the bag anyway.
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 16, 2015, 09:51:52 AM
I was being lazy on the bag anyway.

::imagines you putting it in a chokehold and waiting for it to tap out:: :D
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Post by: Harry Black on August 16, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Haha! Not far off some of my sessions!
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Post by: DG on August 16, 2015, 06:56:19 PM
I was being lazy on the bag anyway.

::imagines you putting it in a chokehold and waiting for it to tap out:: :D

Or standing back waiting for it to make the first move.
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 17, 2015, 12:44:38 AM
I was being lazy on the bag anyway.

::imagines you putting it in a chokehold and waiting for it to tap out:: :D

Or standing back waiting for it to make the first move.

that should be an aikedo jpeg. the internet demands it!
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Post by: Harry Black on August 17, 2015, 11:42:33 AM
Interesting thing about aikido is that the founder specifically said in books and interviews that he designed it as a way for people to get the (percieved) benefits of martial arts training, without actually learning to fight.
Likewise Funakoshi and Karate when he introduced Shotokan to schools in Japan.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 18, 2015, 01:14:59 PM
Why do I assume I can go for a gentle run? I know I cant. I also know its ultimately good that I cant. But the self deception never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by: Plastiq on August 18, 2015, 01:53:46 PM
Why do I assume I can go for a gentle run? I know I cant. I also know its ultimately good that I cant. But the self deception never ceases to amaze me.

Sounds like my attempts at deload weeks.  ;D
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Post by: Harry Black on August 18, 2015, 01:55:45 PM
Dont get me started on what ive been doing weights wise.
Basically three sessions a week, may aswell not bother.
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Post by: Plastiq on August 18, 2015, 01:58:57 PM
What do you mean?
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Post by: Harry Black on August 18, 2015, 02:19:21 PM
Well I do legs and chest day one, biceps and shoulders day two and back/triceps day three.
I go to my 5 rep max in most sessions and stay on each body part for 20min but I feel like Ive plateaued so if I were to get any gains I perhaps ought to be doing 6 sessions per week and getting more into a 3 rep max range occasionally.
What do you think?
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Post by: lonely moa on August 19, 2015, 12:45:02 AM
You might do well with some rest.
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 19, 2015, 12:56:17 AM
Well I do legs and chest day one, biceps and shoulders day two and back/triceps day three.
I go to my 5 rep max in most sessions and stay on each body part for 20min but I feel like Ive plateaued so if I were to get any gains I perhaps ought to be doing 6 sessions per week and getting more into a 3 rep max range occasionally.
What do you think?

I still haven't figured out what combo works best for me, eh.

I think I can do chest and tris one day, and delts and bis the second day, but I'm not sure if the third needs to be a rest day, or if there's something compatible with that,

I dunno about 'may aswell not bother', man. shit, my forearms are still too sore from my Sunday (today is Wednesday) routine for any pull routine. 3 days a week could be enough if you push it.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 19, 2015, 07:40:53 AM
You might do well with some rest.
I see your point but I feel like I have a ton more in the tank. Im doing about 3-4 cardio sessions per week too.
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Post by: kendranoelle on August 19, 2015, 08:12:31 AM
Uuuuuugh I would love to know why no matter how much yoga and hip stretches I do, my hip flexors constantly feel so friggin' tight. Like my hips feel like just what they need is to "pop" and then I'll have a better range of motion in my hips. It feels like something is stopping them. And they hurt.

Stupid. Stiff. Hips. Ugh.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 19, 2015, 09:24:59 AM
There could be a few reasons for that I think...
Firstly you are using them a lot in your workouts so it makes sense that there would be some tension and tightness. Stretching them out is probably a good idea for that reason.
Secondly, yoga was never really scientifically designed to be optimal stretching. It seems to be really effective at making lots of people more bendy but I wouldnt rely on it for any specific goal (aside from getting better at yoga) more than sport specific, physio approved stretches.
Thirdly, age and genetics are the worst.

I must say that regarding certain injuries or stiffnesses,I have "felt" what needs to happen but often I found out that the image my brain had created of what was happening inside, was totally at odds with what the reality was so be careful about trusting your body too implicitly.
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Post by: AQB24712 on August 19, 2015, 09:57:36 AM
For GodSlayer, your new routine. (https://video.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xtp1/v/t43.1792-2/11806234_1161229393895965_714265075_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjE1MDAsInJsYSI6MTAyNH0%3D&rl=1500&vabr=587&oh=5ab2d02a08a0c1bc1ead018224742c51&oe=55D4AC3C)
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 19, 2015, 12:04:28 PM
is that facebook? I'm getting black/0-second unplayable links through FB today. dunno why. happened a couple weeks ago, too.
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Post by: kendranoelle on August 19, 2015, 12:45:54 PM
There could be a few reasons for that I think...
Firstly you are using them a lot in your workouts so it makes sense that there would be some tension and tightness. Stretching them out is probably a good idea for that reason.
Secondly, yoga was never really scientifically designed to be optimal stretching. It seems to be really effective at making lots of people more bendy but I wouldnt rely on it for any specific goal (aside from getting better at yoga) more than sport specific, physio approved stretches.
Thirdly, age and genetics are the worst.

I must say that regarding certain injuries or stiffnesses,I have "felt" what needs to happen but often I found out that the image my brain had created of what was happening inside, was totally at odds with what the reality was so be careful about trusting your body too implicitly.

Thanks. That is true, a lot of what my yoga instructors say about anatomy totally clashes with what I learned in my anatomy classes in college and is straight up BS, so I usually take what they say with a grain of salt.

One of these days I'll maybe try to go to a real gym (*shudder*) and talk to a trainer about specifically work with one about my hip flexibility (and lack there of) to see if I can improve that, because I'd really like to be able to you know... do the flippin' splits. It's kind of important for pole dancing to have that kind of hip flexibility.

I weep at my lack of flexibility and given that I'm 27 and how bad it is. However, it has significantly improved in the last 6 months with pole AND yoga. Like- I can do things I never did even as a 7 year old. The yoga pose "wheel"- or whatever we called it when I was 7- I could never do it when I was 7 (bridge? we did it before we did back walkovers) without a spotter in my very short gymnastics career. I can do it easily unassisted now, so that's neat. I was so giddy the day I touched my toes without shooting pain up my calves and hammies.

Wheel pose:
(click to show/hide)

But real gyms scare me because I'm so... not really that kind of person and in that kind of shape. Lawd.

Anywho.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 19, 2015, 12:58:45 PM
I dont necessarily think a real gym is needed.
In fact I often see people end up with routines that are just based on whatever fad their instructor thinks is tge best way to achieve everything.
A good physio could probably give some advice on avoiding injury etc but it may just be a case of investing hours in the right stretches. An average yoga class doesnt specialise on the splits right? So if you break down the length of the class, how long have you spent practicing the thing you want to achieve?
One or two sessions a week focused on this specific component could pay dividends faster than you think.
I bet you could turn up some stuff on google scholar and be ahead of the average gym instructor who did their course two years ago and reads Mens Health every month.
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Post by: Plastiq on August 19, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
Well I do legs and chest day one, biceps and shoulders day two and back/triceps day three.
I go to my 5 rep max in most sessions and stay on each body part for 20min but I feel like Ive plateaued so if I were to get any gains I perhaps ought to be doing 6 sessions per week and getting more into a 3 rep max range occasionally.
What do you think?

Depends what you mean by plateaued. Size, strength, leanness, cardio fitness...?

With regard to the muscle tightness thing, Kendranoelle, stretching is actually pretty useless at lengthening muscles (interestingly).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on August 20, 2015, 12:57:50 AM
With regard to the muscle tightness thing, Kendranoelle, stretching is actually pretty useless at lengthening muscles (interestingly).

what's it supposed to be for, the ligaments and tendons? I thought you were pretty much fucked once the collagen built up enough.
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Post by: Plastiq on August 20, 2015, 09:21:37 AM
With regard to the muscle tightness thing, Kendranoelle, stretching is actually pretty useless at lengthening muscles (interestingly).

what's it supposed to be for, the ligaments and tendons? I thought you were pretty much fucked once the collagen built up enough.

By 'muscles' I meant everything, including the connective tissue. The increases in flexibility stretching provides are neural and temporary.

Permanent changes can be effected with stretching under load, however.
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Post by: kendranoelle on August 20, 2015, 09:49:27 AM
Well I do legs and chest day one, biceps and shoulders day two and back/triceps day three.
I go to my 5 rep max in most sessions and stay on each body part for 20min but I feel like Ive plateaued so if I were to get any gains I perhaps ought to be doing 6 sessions per week and getting more into a 3 rep max range occasionally.
What do you think?

Depends what you mean by plateaued. Size, strength, leanness, cardio fitness...?

With regard to the muscle tightness thing, Kendranoelle, stretching is actually pretty useless at lengthening muscles (interestingly).

That is actually really good to know. I had know idea that was the case. Thank you.
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 20, 2015, 10:24:46 AM
With regard to the muscle tightness thing, Kendranoelle, stretching is actually pretty useless at lengthening muscles (interestingly).

what's it supposed to be for, the ligaments and tendons? I thought you were pretty much fucked once the collagen built up enough.

By 'muscles' I meant everything, including the connective tissue. The increases in flexibility stretching provides are neural and temporary.

Permanent changes can be effected with stretching under load, however.

where can I learn more about this?
how much counts as load? (had the same question for when people recommend doing Jefferson curls n the like without weight before working up to doing it with weight - 'a bar' you use could be as light as a stick or at heavy as a 20kg gym bench press barbell)

I guess this is one reason I should keep trying to support my bodyweight in my middle split, instead of taking the straight off at the limit.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 20, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
Well I do legs and chest day one, biceps and shoulders day two and back/triceps day three.
I go to my 5 rep max in most sessions and stay on each body part for 20min but I feel like Ive plateaued so if I were to get any gains I perhaps ought to be doing 6 sessions per week and getting more into a 3 rep max range occasionally.
What do you think?

Depends what you mean by plateaued. Size, strength, leanness, cardio fitness...?

With regard to the muscle tightness thing, Kendranoelle, stretching is actually pretty useless at lengthening muscles (interestingly).
Plateaud in terms of size, which I guess is related to strength.
Leanness I can manipulate with diet, cardio I train separately.
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Post by: Plastiq on August 20, 2015, 01:25:27 PM
Well I do legs and chest day one, biceps and shoulders day two and back/triceps day three.
I go to my 5 rep max in most sessions and stay on each body part for 20min but I feel like Ive plateaued so if I were to get any gains I perhaps ought to be doing 6 sessions per week and getting more into a 3 rep max range occasionally.
What do you think?

Depends what you mean by plateaued. Size, strength, leanness, cardio fitness...?

With regard to the muscle tightness thing, Kendranoelle, stretching is actually pretty useless at lengthening muscles (interestingly).
Plateaud in terms of size, which I guess is related to strength.
Leanness I can manipulate with diet, cardio I train separately.

Jesus, man, pretty much all training systems work provided recovery is in order, and you put enough effort into it. Low reps, high reps, infrequent, super-high frequency, etc. If you're not growing, either you just need to eat more, or you've maxed out your genetics (which is unlikely). Also bear in mind that the closer you get to your genetic ceiling, the slower things become; patience is a virtue.

Actually, there's another angle, too: novelty. There's a truism in the industry—the best program is the one you're not doing. Sometimes doing the polar opposite of your current program can dig you out of a rut. Personally I think program specifics are over-emphasized generally, but you could give it a bash.
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 20, 2015, 01:45:48 PM
Plateaud in terms of size, which I guess is related to strength.

I dunno.
this guy looks tiny, but it's hard to fathom just have much strength this takes
(http://i.imgur.com/nsvKpPy.gif)

I'd be impressed as hell if anyone here could simply pull up sideways like at the very start of that clip, never mind pull all the way over into meathook and then above the bar
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Post by: Harry Black on August 20, 2015, 01:52:30 PM
Plateaud in terms of size, which I guess is related to strength.

I dunno.
this guy looks tiny, but it's hard to fathom just have much strength this takes
(http://i.imgur.com/nsvKpPy.gif)

I'd be impressed as hell if anyone here could simply pull up sideways like at the very start of that clip, never mind pull all the way over into meathook and then above the bar
Thats because what he is doing (while incredible) is more about specific muscle co-ordination and having the little muscles people forget about be strong enough to do what he is doing.
What Im talking about is making certain muscles bigger so that I look prettier. Its a relatively new goal to me and one Im balancing with maintaining a few other things.
In terms of those specific muscles, Im led to believe that getting bigger requires moving more weight, which requires more strength and that a bigger muscle will usually be better able to move weight than a smaller muscle in general,  even if it is only over a relatively simple range of motion.
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 20, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
Plateaud in terms of size, which I guess is related to strength.

I dunno.
this guy looks tiny, but it's hard to fathom just have much strength this takes
(http://i.imgur.com/nsvKpPy.gif)

I'd be impressed as hell if anyone here could simply pull up sideways like at the very start of that clip, never mind pull all the way over into meathook and then above the bar
Thats because what he is doing (while incredible) is more about specific muscle co-ordination and having the little muscles people forget about be strong enough to do what he is doing.
What Im talking about is making certain muscles bigger so that I look prettier. Its a relatively new goal to me and one Im balancing with maintaining a few other things.
In terms of those specific muscles, Im led to believe that getting bigger requires moving more weight, which requires more strength and that a bigger muscle will usually be better able to move weight than a smaller muscle in general,  even if it is only over a relatively simple range of motion.

ah, I see -- while gaining strength doesn't require gaining size, you're talking about how gaining size seems* to require gaining strength?

*to us all, I think
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 23, 2015, 01:54:37 AM
(http://sguforums.us/Smileys/TLVsmilies/grin.gif)

second time on a trampoline in 15 years and I learned the back flip!!! (there was a badass young guy training with us today who did like 5 years of gymnastics and coached me through it :)


last Sunday I pulled both biceps at the start of training, and they were sore at work all week. then I pulled some muscle I can't even begin to think of near the femur(?) and pelvis at work and it has bugged me ever since, a nervy sorta thing. but I couldn't miss Sunday training :)
had a good sesh at the park, then moved indoors and immediately failed onto my tailbone (pain in under 5 minutes seems to be just a thing I do...!), but pushed on to learn and teach and have fun :)  tried the boxing bag again, too, but my thumb mobility is still really really bad from my injury that it's a bit too risky.
it's so nice to feel healthy.

here's the shorter version: (but I got mad other footage of those blonde dudes doin' sick flips :P)
http://youtu.be/iZYb9adJSeo
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on August 23, 2015, 12:12:39 PM
Had a spotter in the gym today so I managed to get to 150% of my bodyweight for 5 reps in a squat session!
I sometimes forget the advantages of a workout partner!
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Post by: Plastiq on August 23, 2015, 12:36:10 PM
Had a spotter in the gym today so I managed to get to 150% of my bodyweight for 5 reps in a squat session!
I sometimes forget the advantages of a workout partner!

How low?
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Post by: Harry Black on August 23, 2015, 12:57:16 PM
Right angle at the knees. I dont tend to go lower than that with any weight.
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Post by: Plastiq on August 24, 2015, 06:19:13 AM
Right angle at the knees. I dont tend to go lower than that with any weight.

Any reason?
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Post by: Harry Black on August 24, 2015, 06:40:22 AM
Yeah. I used to do ass to the grass but I felt a lot of pressure on my lower back when pushing back up so in light of previous injuries I decided to forgo the benefits to escape any potential risk.
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Post by: Plastiq on August 24, 2015, 12:07:14 PM
Heresy. There's only one correct form that every single person should do. Now excuse me while I hop into my mobility cart.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 24, 2015, 12:13:57 PM
Heresy. There's only one correct form that every single person should do. Now excuse me while I hop into my mobility cart.
I once read a question to Mark Riptoe on his forums from a really polite kid who was experiencing pain while doing squats with what he described as correct form.
Riptoe was incredibly rude to him and essentially said that if he had legs and a back then squatting was good. If it hurt then he was doing it wrong. The kid asked (politely) for some elaboration and he was told to piss off because Riptoe was busy.
Got to say, this forum is hardly a gymgoers haven but the lack of snark and machismo in answers to questions in this thread, makes it far better and productive imo than any of the bodybuilding forums my googling inevitably leads me to.
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Post by: Plastiq on August 25, 2015, 01:54:04 PM
Oh, Rippetoe rejoices in being a boor. Kind of a pillock, unless you catch him in a certain frame of mind, then he has quite a bit to offer. Many (perhaps most) of his articles are sensationalistic crap based off the hint of a good or reasonable idea.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 27, 2015, 06:45:48 AM
Im finding run keeper to be slightly off on measuring distance.
For example yesterday, A to B was 5k but when I got back to A I had to run an extra 30m past it to hit 10k.
It sounds small but it really messed up my time calculations.
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Post by: lonely moa on September 11, 2015, 02:41:07 AM
Huey blessed us with enough good powder snow for an excellent day on the hill.  Yum. 
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Post by: lonely moa on September 16, 2015, 04:16:42 AM
I think I'll sign up for a local half marathon trail run.  I'm trying to do an hour and a half trail run once a week and I know the route.  Should be good.  Might be a few over sixties in the run.
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Post by: lonely moa on September 25, 2015, 04:21:37 PM
Tested my "fat adaptation" with a 90 minute trail run (600m gain and loss) after an eighteen hour fast.  Record time (for me) in rather poor conditions underfoot; mud and a bit of snow.  I feel ready for the 3-4 hour version end of October. 
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Post by: DG on September 28, 2015, 08:20:24 PM
I joined a local group training mob since I have had trouble motivating myself to get back to the gym. First session was awesome - 3 days later my, back, shoulders and legs are still feeling it.

This was in addition to going back to WW, and I have managed to lose about 4.5kgs in 3 weeks. Which is a good start. Planning to lose about 6kg more before 4 December.
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Post by: lonely moa on September 29, 2015, 04:32:23 AM
Triggerpoint rollers.  They rock.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on September 29, 2015, 05:27:59 AM
I cant go running, swimming or biking at the moment and its making it really hard to do high intensity cardio.
I have a home made floor to ceiling ball I can use in my room but its so hard to push to any sort of limit.
What Im doing is fine for maintenance but Im really in a mood to improve.
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Post by: Harry Black on September 30, 2015, 01:55:31 AM
Question- A friend of mine started lifting recently and she says her core is apparently too weak to give her legs benefit from squating, so her coach has her doing loads of core workouts.
Im gona leave her to it but it seems like her coach might not be right? I mean surely with a max lift there is always a benefit, and one of the best ways to build the muscles required for squatting loads of weight is to squat less weight?
The whole thing sounds like one of those PTs pet concepts that they try to push on everyone because this woman isnt new to exercise at all, she is a really good sport skater and does 5minute planks no problem.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: DG on September 30, 2015, 06:28:45 PM
Question- A friend of mine started lifting recently and she says her core is apparently too weak to give her legs benefit from squating, so her coach has her doing loads of core workouts.
Im gona leave her to it but it seems like her coach might not be right? I mean surely with a max lift there is always a benefit, and one of the best ways to build the muscles required for squatting loads of weight is to squat less weight?
The whole thing sounds like one of those PTs pet concepts that they try to push on everyone because this woman isnt new to exercise at all, she is a really good sport skater and does 5minute planks no problem.

May be the same issue that I have? That is, using the wrong muscle groups to do things. The outcome is that you keep developing the "wrong" muscles in a way that leaves you injury prone. For example, if I do squats, I use more of my lower pack muscles than my abs (since it's apparent that I don't actually have any), lifting heavier weights isn't going to solve that. I'm just continue to develop the muscles in the "wrong" way (or at least this is how I understand it based on instructions from my phyiso about certain injuries).
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Post by: lonely moa on October 02, 2015, 08:03:42 PM
Three reps of a 110kg dead lift... quivering.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 03, 2015, 02:13:11 AM
The most I can put on the bar here is 35kg so yesterday I did sets of 16 split squats for 20minutes and then sets of 12 normal squats for 10minutes.
Gorgeous throb in my thighs today.
Because the weight was so low, I tried ass to the grass for a set but felt an expanding pressure around the site of my surgery (L5) and thought better of it.
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Post by: GodSlayer on October 03, 2015, 03:13:55 AM
The most I can put on the bar here is 35kg so yesterday I did sets of 16 split squats for 20minutes and then sets of 12 normal squats for 10minutes.
Gorgeous throb in my thighs today.
Because the weight was so low, I tried ass to the grass for a set but felt an expanding pressure around the site of my surgery (L5) and thought better of it.

good on ya for giving it a go, though. eh. always pushing yourself!
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Post by: Harry Black on October 03, 2015, 04:25:15 AM
The guilt when I dont is never worth it!
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Post by: lonely moa on October 05, 2015, 02:08:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Rr8wsFV.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/nBn7jTY.jpg)

Corn party; earn your turns.  Can't believe we had it all to ourselves.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 12, 2015, 07:34:00 AM
Having someone tag along for a workout is a pain in the ass. I cant listen to podcasts, I have to explain everything Im doing and cant hit the intensity that is most beneficial for me.
A 40 minute session ends up being more or less 20min when you factor in chatting and waiting for them to finish sets.
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Post by: GodSlayer on October 13, 2015, 12:46:06 PM
this isn't really on topic, but there's no random nutrition/biology/science thread here, so hopefully the regs see this, as it doesn't deserve its own thread.

anyone know about CLA?

I just ask

a. because it comes free with the protein I'm buying this week

b. because this statement made me want to ask a follow up
"The most recent review of studies assessing whether CLA results in weight loss, concludes: “The evidence from RCTs (randomized clinical trials) does not convincingly show that CLA intake generates any clinically relevant effects on body composition on the long term.”"

...even push-ups have 'no relevant effects on the body' "in the long term" --at 50 I'll still be weak and tiny even if I do 100 a day for a year when I'm 40 and never do them again. so what does that even mean?

my question, I guess, is 'is it worth taking for just one month during bathing-suit season if it's completely free?' I'm not asking if it'll make keep me shredded year round, just if it's in any way worth the bother of swallowing thrice a day...



ETA:
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Adverse events included constipation, diarrhea, and soft stools.

well THAT'S helpful
sounds like you can blame any old shit on this stuff, then! omg side effects every morning, you bastard! or is there a consistency I'm not seeing here--gas, maybe? you've got solid soft and liquid covered... does it give you gas, too!? no?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 13, 2015, 01:04:28 PM
I think the fat loss thing is more for folks with far too much of it.  You'll get lots of CLA in NZ beef and butter and eggs if you get free range ones.
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Post by: GodSlayer on October 13, 2015, 01:10:42 PM
I think the fat loss thing is more for folks with far too much of it.  You'll get lots of CLA in NZ beef and butter and eggs if you get free range ones.

eggs are the only one of those things I eat. beef and butter I'd say I eat less than once a month. and free range? fuck that, not unless some vegan out there wants to pay the difference for me to look for a different carton.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 13, 2015, 01:16:25 PM
I think the fat loss thing is more for folks with far too much of it.  You'll get lots of CLA in NZ beef and butter and eggs if you get free range ones.

eggs are the only one of those things I eat. beef and butter I'd say I eat less than once a month. and free range? fuck that, not unless some vegan out there wants to pay the difference for me to look for a different carton.

Oh, I forgot, you have no interest in food quality. Sorry.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 13, 2015, 01:18:53 PM
Meow!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on October 13, 2015, 01:32:22 PM
I think the fat loss thing is more for folks with far too much of it.  You'll get lots of CLA in NZ beef and butter and eggs if you get free range ones.

eggs are the only one of those things I eat. beef and butter I'd say I eat less than once a month. and free range? fuck that, not unless some vegan out there wants to pay the difference for me to look for a different carton.

Oh, I forgot, you have no interest in food quality. Sorry.

none?
I'm willing to spend a solid $13 for a lone burger at Burger Fuel precisely because they have such a lovely fresh quality taste and feel to their food.

I just don't cook anything but omelets and toast.

it's just a funny coincidence that most of the burgers I buy a chicken rather than beef. I think the last beef one I had was the angus steakhouse
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 13, 2015, 04:16:40 PM
I rest my case.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on October 15, 2015, 04:06:06 AM
I sincerely doubt anyone here engages in this behaviour but exercise bad manners are a pet peeve of mine and I actually couldnt believe some of the things in here that people think are ok.
Considered a separate thread but its the folks here who will be reading it anyway
http://skepchick.org/2015/10/men-women-do-not-run-for-you/
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Post by: GodSlayer on October 15, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
yea, I've never seen that.

worst I've ever done is interact with the joggers who stop at my workout area.

I'm enough of a pessimist to never go 'oh, ya know what might make an indifferent person more likely to like me --if I annoy them some more!' ... I kinda put myself in their shoes, which I'm comfortable doing as long as they're not jogging at the time. I have nothing against jogging shoes themselves, just don't make me run!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on October 15, 2015, 01:37:26 PM
That just sounds like you are being sociable!
I know women who wont train alone because of it and three women who outright quit gyms because guys just wouldnt leave them alone.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on October 15, 2015, 01:45:34 PM
I always choose the spin bike at the health club that is pointed at the area where I can see women do their most interesting exersizes.  I don't talk them up or anything, and when they catch me staring I can usually pretend I'm just staring into space and not focusing on them.

#Imapig
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Post by: AQB24712 on October 15, 2015, 01:47:18 PM
A forumite is cited in that article.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on October 16, 2015, 09:54:28 AM
That just sounds like you are being sociable!
I know women who wont train alone because of it and three women who outright quit gyms because guys just wouldnt leave them alone.

yea, I can imagine.
some people do just enjoy talking to other gym goers. others prefer to just keep their earbuds in and focus.
you'd hope people would observe for social cues and be polite about who they approach.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 16, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Being the only male (and at least a decade older than anyone else in the group) in the weekly yoga class I attend has been instructive in this regard. 

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on October 18, 2015, 04:42:01 PM
Ran for an hour on a 25meter track today.
I may have broken my brain as well as getting a fucker of a blister.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 24, 2015, 07:21:45 PM
I did my last training run for the Misson Mt Somers half marathon.  I look forward to the real thing next weekend.  I hope the wx is kind.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on October 27, 2015, 07:33:21 AM
I did my last training run for the Misson Mt Somers half marathon.  I look forward to the real thing next weekend.  I hope the wx is kind.
Best of luck!
Looking forward to the results! Do you have a ballpark target time or anything?
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Post by: Friendly Angel on October 27, 2015, 12:36:57 PM
Friend of mind did TWO Ironmans this year.  In Boulder he said there was a drop off point for extra clothes, but the organizers wouldn't be responsible for getting them back to you.  I asked him how much it costs to do the Boulder Ironman... $700!  Holy shit, $700 fee and they wouldn't pay for a return postage box.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 27, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
I did my last training run for the Misson Mt Somers half marathon.  I look forward to the real thing next weekend.  I hope the wx is kind.
Best of luck!
Looking forward to the results! Do you have a ballpark target time or anything?

I'll hate myself if it's four hours.  I'm hoping to do 3 and a half hours.  I ran for twenty minutes uphill on the deadmill yesterday as it was raining.  My colleague and elite adventure racer says I should do another today or tomorrow. 

The forecast looks pretty good; cool and sunny.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 27, 2015, 05:51:47 PM
I find my times are better in the rain. Probably because Im in a rush to get home lol!
But i find it also helps me sweat less and gives me something to fight against.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 27, 2015, 05:55:57 PM
I find my times are better in the rain. Probably because Im in a rush to get home lol!
But i find it also helps me sweat less and gives me something to fight against.

This is pretty technical running with serious penalties in places... the drier the better.  Some big climbs and descents.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 28, 2015, 06:02:48 PM
Ah! More fell running? Goddamn thats fun!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 28, 2015, 08:55:16 PM
My race goes from west to east.

http://www.enduranzevents.co.nz/_literature_139577/Race_Map_-_Mission_Mt_Somers_21Ks_of_Somers
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Post by: Harry Black on October 29, 2015, 06:25:31 AM
Some nice inclines there! Be careful on that last descent!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on October 30, 2015, 11:09:54 PM
Three hours forty five minutes.  The last eight k's would have been more fun if my left knee didn't give me so much grief on the downhill.

Lots of athletic women on the course (most less than half my age) to chat with, a big hug from my best male friend (the race organiser) and a great burger from the Our Lady of the Snows primary school bbq. 

Not too hot, the sun shone, almost two hundred participants for the inaugural event... a good day.

I am toast.  The outside bath is primed with MgCl and nearly hot enough.  Time for a big whisky and a long soak.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on November 01, 2015, 04:53:55 AM
Well done man!
Your dedication is really impressive, enjoy the whiskey!

So I just discovered psuedo planche push-ups and leans.
Very challenging! Im looking forward to seeing how well I can progress with them!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on November 01, 2015, 05:50:50 AM
Well done man!
Your dedication is really impressive, enjoy the whiskey!

So I just discovered psuedo planche push-ups and leans.
Very challenging! Im looking forward to seeing how well I can progress with them!

good stuff. I was trying to get the guys at work to do PPPUs the other night (Fridays are pretty chill) :)

just last week I started refocusing on SAS work, curious if I've made any progress -- I'm slowwwwwwly getting closer to advanced tuck planche, but keeping that lock-out is just so stupidly hard :P
also been doing tuck planche dips recently (a small progression from PPPU's)
https://youtu.be/NEPmxDhgskM
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Post by: Harry Black on November 01, 2015, 08:35:03 AM
Im pretty far off a planche. I can do sets of 10 3PUs with my hands by my navel.
Whats SAS work?
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 01, 2015, 09:28:29 AM
Im pretty far off a planche.
aren't we all!
I've still only ever met one person in person who can do it, and even that was only a straddle planche.

Whats SAS work?

Straight Arm Strength (e.g., planche, iron cross, butterfly pulls).

I can do sets of 10 3PUs with my hands by my navel.

nice. film it some time! if my palms are touching my pelvis I struggle to get sets of 3! usually I stay a bit higher than that. it feels like, for whatever reason, it really hits the biceps (unusual for a push-up!)...and I've severely neglected mine in the past 10 years. I'm pretty sure they were stronger when I was a dumb 16 year old doing little better than curls every day.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 01, 2015, 10:10:39 AM
Theres no way i could even reach my pelvis yet. Im gona stay at this level for a few weeks.
I can hold the straight arm position for 40 seconds so not doing too badly!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on November 01, 2015, 11:07:43 AM
I can hold the straight arm position for 40 seconds so not doing too badly!

where do you face your fingers? I find my wrist flexibility is so terrible I have no hope of planche progressions that far ahead unless I basically turn my hands backwards, which is also one of the amusing things about the PPPU, you can't really dig your fingers in for friction to prevent pushing-forward instead of pushing-up when you do 'em that way, so it seems like there's only so far I could go, no matter how strong I got, but who knows...I'd never have thought a planche itself was possible!

I'd love to develop the finger strength to do planche leans on my fingers (I can do all-fingers+thumb push-ups, of course, but that's a lot less body weight than a planche lean, and for whatever reason the forces from the lean seem to make it harder than a tuck hold (like crow), even though that's all the bodyweight), since it seems unlikely I'll ever get my wrists to go back in time 15 years to what the kids who grew up in gymnastics can do, I think that's the only way I'll ever get the ability to get a straight arm that far forward with hands facing forward
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on November 01, 2015, 12:01:59 PM
Well done man!
Your dedication is really impressive, enjoy the whiskey!

So I just discovered psuedo planche push-ups and leans.
Very challenging! Im looking forward to seeing how well I can progress with them!

I was passed near during the race by the first five of the marathon length runners... they looked like gazelles running on very technical mud trail; impressive.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on November 01, 2015, 03:15:09 PM
Godslayer,I go fingers pointing out at 90 degrees, thumbs pointing forward. I feellike I will be using parallettes if I progress to lifting my feet.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on November 02, 2015, 08:15:01 AM
Well done man!
Your dedication is really impressive, enjoy the whiskey!

So I just discovered psuedo planche push-ups and leans.
Very challenging! Im looking forward to seeing how well I can progress with them!

good stuff. I was trying to get the guys at work to do PPPUs the other night (Fridays are pretty chill) :)

just last week I started refocusing on SAS work, curious if I've made any progress -- I'm slowwwwwwly getting closer to advanced tuck planche, but keeping that lock-out is just so stupidly hard :P
also been doing tuck planche dips recently (a small progression from PPPU's)
https://youtu.be/NEPmxDhgskM


I saw a woman in a Cirque du Soleil video doing something like that, but she put her legs straight out behind her, so her body was essentially horizontal to the floor, and her only contact with the floor was her hands. Her arms were straight, and of course at an angle so that her hands were under her center of mass. The only part of her touching the floor was her hands, and her arms did not touch her body except where they connect at the shoulders. It was unbelievable. Of course, she did a LOT of other utterly unbelievable stuff besides. I think it was Alegria. But I'm not positive because I've been watching Solstrum lately also.

I can do two regular push-ups.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 02, 2015, 08:20:01 AM
Yep. That superhuman feat is what we are working towards. I feel like literally ANY progress would be something I will show video of to visitors in the retirement home.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 02, 2015, 09:35:27 AM
I saw a woman in a Cirque du Soleil video doing something like that, but she put her legs straight out behind her,

yep. full planche.
I'm doing 'tucked' planche. 'advanced tuck' is when your legs are out to a 'hands and knees' position, then you can spread your legs and put them out straight, that's straddle planche, or finally when you're strong enough you can just be one straight 'plank' (planche), the hardest one--so much mass away from the leverage point you need a massive lean to balance it and it takes insane shoulder strength, even for girls/shorter guys. (then, of course, there's maltese and victorian cross... perhaps the hardest positions the human body is capable of, you don't even see the victorian in Olympic routines that often, and a planche is child's play to those guys)

I'll be lucky if I ever achieve a full planche. straddle planche is the only one I've ever seen in person, that's how rare an achievement full planche is.

you'll enjoy this...
https://youtu.be/YMo_FdGWUbA?t=58s
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 02, 2015, 09:37:08 AM
oh and I finally found the video I saw a while back... this is just insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ka1B18BEx4
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 02, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
The Simonster video is amazing. Except for the quick cuts, which are annoying. Again, nobody seems to want to just show us a straightforward routine. (Except for Kendra!)

A lot of that stuff is a lot like what you see in Cirque du Soleil pretty regularly, though he did a few things I've never seen there. All amazing. The planche push-ups are crazy. As I've said, I can do two regular push-ups.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Plastiq on November 02, 2015, 02:34:58 PM
... As I've said, I can do two regular push-ups.

That's 50% more than you need. I advise more relaxation and Twinkie consumption.
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 02, 2015, 07:48:49 PM
... As I've said, I can do two regular push-ups.

That's 50% more than you need. I advise more relaxation and Twinkie consumption.

I don't do push-ups as a regular thing. I might start, though. I do cardio (cycling on an exercise bike, jogging, uphill walking on a treadmill), and I do some bicep and tricep curls and some crunches. At 67 I cannot do a lot of any of it. I do what I am able. "Train, don't strain." I do it for general physical fitness and health, and to be able to hike and paddle. And when I watch Cirque du Soleil I fantasize about being able to do all that crazy stuff. Mostly the gymnastics and trapeze stuff.

Twinkies??? Yuck!!! If it's not chocolate it's not worth the calories.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on November 02, 2015, 10:55:11 PM
I don't do push-ups as a regular thing. I might start, though. I do cardio (cycling on an exercise bike, jogging, uphill walking on a treadmill), and I do some bicep and tricep curls and some crunches. At 67 I cannot do a lot of any of it. I do what I am able. "Train, don't strain." I do it for general physical fitness and health, and to be able to hike and paddle. And when I watch Cirque du Soleil I fantasize about being able to do all that crazy stuff. Mostly the gymnastics and trapeze stuff.

I know a 60 and a 62 year old who are able to do quite well thanks to doing a little every day. don't give up.
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Post by: lonely moa on November 02, 2015, 11:48:19 PM
I don't do push-ups as a regular thing. I might start, though. I do cardio (cycling on an exercise bike, jogging, uphill walking on a treadmill), and I do some bicep and tricep curls and some crunches. At 67 I cannot do a lot of any of it. I do what I am able. "Train, don't strain." I do it for general physical fitness and health, and to be able to hike and paddle. And when I watch Cirque du Soleil I fantasize about being able to do all that crazy stuff. Mostly the gymnastics and trapeze stuff.

I know a 60 and a 62 year old who are able to do quite well thanks to doing a little every day. don't give up.

I know a rising 64 year old that can bench 5x5's with body weight... twice a week.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on November 03, 2015, 07:57:58 AM
I know a rising 64 year old that can bench 5x5's with body weight... twice a week.

Socrates would be pleased ^_^
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on November 03, 2015, 10:11:04 AM
I don't do push-ups as a regular thing. I might start, though. I do cardio (cycling on an exercise bike, jogging, uphill walking on a treadmill), and I do some bicep and tricep curls and some crunches. At 67 I cannot do a lot of any of it. I do what I am able. "Train, don't strain." I do it for general physical fitness and health, and to be able to hike and paddle. And when I watch Cirque du Soleil I fantasize about being able to do all that crazy stuff. Mostly the gymnastics and trapeze stuff.

I know a 60 and a 62 year old who are able to do quite well thanks to doing a little every day. don't give up.

Thanks. I'm not going to give up. I can do less each decade than I could do the decade before, but I do what exercise I can. I've never been athletic. Before I was 35 I could not run more than a couple of hundred meters. I probably would not have been able to hike more than 200 vertical meters. I started jogging when I was 35, inspired by a friend of my step-father's, who was a marathon runner. For maybe a decade I ran 3 miles 5 days a week, 6 miles once a week, and a day off. Maybe 5 years later I quit the 6-mile runs. A decade ago I had to cut way back on the jogging and substitute the exercise bike for maybe half my exercise, and cut back to 4 or 5 days a week. But I do what I'm able and will keep doing it, so that I can hike.

Two summers ago I was on a hike with a group of about a dozen people and a guide. Everyone knew ahead of time the hike was 14 kilometers with 990 meters of elevation gain, and they could have chosen a shorter hike which was also offered, and which other people went on. On the first uphill, 2/3 of them were way ahead of me. By about the half-way point, I was with the lead group, and was actually the first one through a short segment where there are fixed ropes and some exposure because I knew the route and didn't need assistance as some of the others did. By the last uphill, several hikers half my age, who had been way ahead of me at the start, were now way behind, and a couple of them were crying, they were so exhausted and in pain.

I credit the jogging.

A couple of days later, I did the same hike again with a private guide, except that we took two detours to climb two summits (no technical climbing, just some steep trail). We hiked 17 kilometers and accumulated 1,500 vertical meters, and I could have done a few more km and a couple hundred more vertical meters, but we were out of time and had to head back. That lodge has an early (4:30 p.m.) return time so they have enough daylight to respond if there is an emergency.

There are guys older than me who run marathons. But I'm more fit than the great majority of folks my age.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 03, 2015, 10:53:09 AM
nice.
one of these days I'm going to have to start jogging.
I think age 35 sounds perfect! :D that gives me a couple more years to be a lazy asthmatic
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 03, 2015, 04:44:00 PM
It's obvious you do a lot of weight work. Do you do any cardio at all? I know folks who don't like jogging because it's hard on the knees, but who like other kinds of cardio. Cycling, swimming, rowing, etc.

I find exercise to be boring. I do not enjoy it. I enjoy how it makes me feel. And I love the hiking and paddling that I would be unable to do if I was not exercising regularly.

Up until about 15 years ago I jogged out of doors year-'round, and that was fun. I enjoyed it. For another 5 I jogged out of doors in summer, and indoors in winter. Now I'm an old man and there are times when I have to stop unexpectedly. It's no fun to have to stop when you are a mile from home. I jog on the treadmill so that I can stop any time I have to. Not fun, but worth it. 30 to 45 minutes a day of hard work and boredom, to have 23 1/2 hours a day of feeling good, and the fitness necessary to enjoy hiking and paddling. And diving, of course, though that does not require the same level of stamina.
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Post by: lonely moa on November 03, 2015, 11:52:15 PM
Tabata sprints today.  Four minutes well spent... I'm spent as well.  I should do this more than once a week.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on November 04, 2015, 08:27:12 AM
It's obvious you do a lot of weight work. Do you do any cardio at all? I know folks who don't like jogging because it's hard on the knees, but who like other kinds of cardio. Cycling, swimming, rowing, etc.

I'm on my feet all day at work. I just don't do anything that gets me out of breath.
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 04, 2015, 10:58:18 AM
I used to be depressed pretty much all the time. Also I had a really hard time falling asleep. For a few years, from my late teens to my early 20's, I self-medicated with pot. That helped both problems, but it muddled my brain, so I quit. When I started jogging at the age of 35 my chronic depression disappeared, and I was able to get to sleep. So I'm a fanatical proponent of cardio. I also do some stretching and some resistance, but not as much as I should. Cardio is much better than pot as an anti-depressant. Recently I tried pot again, out of curiosity, since it's legal in my state. I didn't like it. It's much more powerful than it used to be, and it still muddles my brain. I don't enjoy jogging. But I feel soooooooooooooooo much better when I'm doing regular cardio 30 to 45 minutes a day. Jogging does it best for me. But any form of cardio is good.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 04, 2015, 12:48:34 PM
it's a shame it takes so long in life to figure out what works :(

'too soon old, too late smart'.
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Post by: AQB24712 on November 06, 2015, 02:19:59 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12195893_1021615701194005_8243954926266026382_n.jpg?oh=effc240879b32b8572542c0086c8d69b&oe=56AF1DC8)
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 08, 2015, 04:54:54 AM
had a fun day at the park. it was raining when I left home, so I stayed under a tree for an hour or so, then the sun came out beautifully and my back pain went away :)

https://youtu.be/od2ruccjJE8

https://youtu.be/pkjkYi8ZP9I

ended the day with a few pseudo pseudo planche push-ups (I cheated way too much on that)
https://youtu.be/yttNhyFRLqQ
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 08, 2015, 07:47:44 AM
Impressive!
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 08, 2015, 07:55:30 AM
one of these days I'll have to film the 60+ guy doing his L-sits. I swear none of the passersby half his age i've seen attempt L's or leg raises can do it as well as him, it's pretty neat.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 12, 2015, 07:03:32 PM
Im finding that bodyweight exercises are making me a bit lazy.
The amount of time I can spend doing good reps is so limited that I end up going to failure and then wondering what else I should do.
I find doing more than 20 minutes on any exercise to be absolutely mind numbing and later in the day I dont feel like Ive done anything at all.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 12, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
Im finding that bodyweight exercises are making me a bit lazy.
The amount of time I can spend doing good reps is so limited that I end up going to failure and then wondering what else I should do.
I find doing more than 20 minutes on any exercise to be absolutely mind numbing and later in the day I dont feel like Ive done anything at all.

are you doing hard enough progressions?
I mean, I guess if you're into heavy lifting, doing any kind of press-up you can manage 20 reps of would be contrary to your norm and goals. but given that even Olympic athletes can't hold their positions indefinitely, I find it hard to believe you can't find progressions appropriate for you.

like, if you're doing shrimp squats (harder than pistols, harder than normals), surely you can find a sack of rice or something to add to the weight so you feel satisfied by it. or heavy shoes, backpack, chains around your neck, etc., for pull-ups, or just do belly-button-to-bar pull-ups, or wear heavy shoes and do toes-to-bar and front pulls and what have you. I mean, it seems odd to me, if you can't yet do a manna or a full front pull or a full planche push-up, one arm handstand push-up, tiger bends, impossibles, dragon flags, maltese, etc., then how can you have exhausted the difficulty of your own weight. Is there a sciency answer (after all, gymnasts do also weight train, right? they don't rely on practicing their skills and holds to give them the best strength for performing them), like is it different muscles or different movements or what?
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Post by: Harry Black on November 12, 2015, 08:28:43 PM
What Im saying is that the current progressions are too hard. I cant do them for long enough to feel any benefit whatsoever.
Like today I did 5 sets of 15 decent pppu's but when I tried tuck planche after ward I was only getting 5 seconds max to start with and then at the end I was just raising my knees to have my feet touch the ground.
Being able to do so little means Im not feeling any sort of intensity.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 12, 2015, 08:35:11 PM
What Im saying is that the current progressions are too hard. I cant do them for long enough to feel any benefit whatsoever.
Like today I did 5 sets of 15 decent pppu's but when I tried tuck planche after ward I was only getting 5 seconds max to start with and then at the end I was just raising my knees to have my feet touch the ground.
Being able to do so little means Im not feeling any sort of intensity.

ah, a time-under-tension thing? why not scale back, then? instead of tuck planche, just do planche leans as far forward as you can maintain for 30 seconds.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 12, 2015, 08:47:56 PM
Yeah, Im up to 40 seconds on those which is why I thought maybe I could try the tuck. But I will go back and do more sets of the leans for a few more weeks.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 12, 2015, 10:34:53 PM
Yeah, Im up to 40 seconds on those which is why I thought maybe I could try the tuck. But I will go back and do more sets of the leans for a few more weeks.

or maybe just move on to legs or core or sumn after the PPPU and come back to tuck PL fresh?
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 13, 2015, 05:27:42 AM
woo! got my first sBL today!
I had generally just accepted that my back lever efforts were rubbish and given up even trying it, but I gave it another go today and finally got it perfectly horizontal. it's finally as it should be -- back lever progress ahead of front lever progress.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 13, 2015, 06:07:41 AM
woo! got my first sBL today!
I had generally just accepted that my back lever efforts were rubbish and given up even trying it, but I gave it another go today and finally got it perfectly horizontal. it's finally as it should be -- back lever progress ahead of front lever progress.
Can you explain what that is?
I mean I know OBVIOUSLY. But just for everyone else:p
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 13, 2015, 06:24:13 AM
woo! got my first sBL today!
I had generally just accepted that my back lever efforts were rubbish and given up even trying it, but I gave it another go today and finally got it perfectly horizontal. it's finally as it should be -- back lever progress ahead of front lever progress.
Can you explain what that is?
I mean I know OBVIOUSLY. But just for everyone else:p

I doubt anyone else is remotely interested :P
the easy (legs apart/'straddled' (s)) variation of the 'back lever' (BL). it's where you hang upside down (from a bar or gymnastic rings, or just a rope/ribbon if you're badass), then tip backwards so you're facing down and keep tipping until your body is in line with the ground, and then you stop.

example from google:
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Post by: Harry Black on November 13, 2015, 06:41:34 AM
Yowsa
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 13, 2015, 08:55:06 AM
Hard to believe the stuff you guys are doing. I would say that obviously if what you're trying to do is too hard, back off to something easier. For resistance all I can do are 3 sets of 10 to 15 reps of bicep curls and tricep curls, I'm up to about 50 crunches, and still at two garden-variety push-ups. I do the curls on a Bowflex set at 40 lbs each side, which is actually about 15 pounds each side. :) Because of my bad shoulders, I can't do the full range of resistance exercises I used to do.

But I've been gradually increasing my jogging. I managed a full half-hour without walking breaks a week or two ago, which at 4.8 mph (12.5 minutes/mile) is 2.4 miles. Then I managed to keep it up another minute and a half to reach 2.5 miles. My pulse was around 138, which is about 8 bpm over the top end of my target zone for my age. I was thoroughly exhausted. Then the other day I reached 3 miles (37 1/2 minutes) and my pulse was around 131. And yesterday I held out for an even 40 minutes (3.2 miles) and my pulse was only 129 or 130. And I've managed more days of jogging. The past few years, close to a decade, really, my main cardio has been the exercise bike because I've been unable to jog as much as I want, and now finally I think I'm swinging back to more jogging than cycling.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 13, 2015, 09:51:18 AM
Thats some impressive progress!
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 13, 2015, 01:29:26 PM
I used to run 21 miles a week at a 9:15 minute/mile pace. Three miles 5 days a week, and 6 miles once a week. I declined gradually from the age of 35 when I began running, until about a decade ago (age 57) when I abruptly slowed from 9:30 to around 12 or 13 minutes/mile.

I'm now just getting back a tiny bit of what I lost. Still no better than 12:30 minutes/mile, but I'm picking the distance back up slowly. I hope to be able to keep it up. I'd be really happy if I could run 3 miles three times a week, and cycle 45 minutes twice a week, and I'd be delighted if I could get to running 4 times and cycle once, per week.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 13, 2015, 07:21:38 PM
Managed to get out two squats to parallel with 175% body weight!
Thats not a range I want to do lots of reps in though, Im going to stick with 150%.
My deadlift is only around 150% too though. Not all that fussed to improve it.
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Post by: lonely moa on November 13, 2015, 08:42:32 PM
Nice day out rock climbing with my beautiful wife. A little cool and blustery, but good in the sun.

Nice camping as well, just an hour and a half to camp on an easy trail; being NZ high country, we drank from the stream next to the tent.  Yum.  Hurry up summer.
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 14, 2015, 07:46:48 AM
Managed to get out two squats to parallel with 175% body weight!
Thats not a range I want to do lots of reps in though, Im going to stick with 150%.
My deadlift is only around 150% too though. Not all that fussed to improve it.

I can clean and jerk the bar. With no weights on it. ;D
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 15, 2015, 02:12:03 AM
woo! another first for me today.
I was too tired to do much of anything, but it was nice to get outside and stretch, and I had only one thing I really wanted to make sure I did, and that was attempt the L-muscle-up (I've done L pull-ups and L chin-ups in the past prior to my back injury, but never tried for the LMU)

https://youtu.be/hx3duMYtamY
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 15, 2015, 07:18:17 AM
Impressive!
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on November 15, 2015, 07:59:53 AM
Any advice on shoulder endurance?  I've started MMA and on my punches, the first thing to go are my shoulders.

Currently, I do shoulders once a week, for which I do two trisets (2x10/10/10, no rest) of dumbell front raises (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidAnterior/DBFrontRaise.html), lateral raises (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidLateral/DBLateralRaise.html) and upright rows (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidLateral/DBUprightRow.html).  Occasionally, I'll do dumbbell rear rows (http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/DeltoidPosterior/DBRearDeltRow.html), too.  Depending on where this falls in my workout, I'll use from 15lb to 25lb dumbbells.  That's the point past which I'll develop joint pain so it's a hard limit. 

Would dropping the weight and adding reps help?  Like, to help with punching endurance, my workout buddy got me doing bench press pyramids and after a month my triceps stopped shitting the bed during class.  I haven't tried this with my shoulders because I feel like it'd turned into, "and after a month or so I noticed chronic joint inflammation."  Any advice? 

I'm thinking my best bet might be to just work on technique and ~cope~. 
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 15, 2015, 08:07:10 AM
obviously the MMA guys themselves are the best ones to ask.
I haven't done boxing in a long ass time, but that's all I'd recommend--work the endurance for punches with punches (heavy bag preferable to shadow boxing). You could also try weighted skipping, I used to do that with a couple 3lb dumbells instead of a rope, no idea how valuable it was, though.
I also used to do all the same dumbbell routines as you. have you tried alternating lateral raises? that tended to allow me to use a good deal more weight.

is it just the front delt, or are we talking other areas of the shoulder?
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on November 15, 2015, 08:22:34 AM
Pretty much the entire shoulder builds up until it feels like it's melting, but I think probably the medial deltoid's what's going first. 
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 15, 2015, 08:50:27 AM
Pretty much the entire shoulder builds up until it feels like it's melting, but I think probably the medial deltoid's what's going first. 

are they both as bad as each other, or is it worse in your lead hand? (could give us a sense if it's actually from impact/landing shots, or just exhaustion, if it was the latter, with all the feints and feeler jabs you might expect the lead shoulder to fare worse since you're throwing it more).
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on November 15, 2015, 09:06:40 AM
It's worse with my lead, and I'm very right-handed so my left arm/shoulder's all around weaker to boot. 
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 15, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
how long've you been training, and how long were you doing weights before that?

I suspect it's just going to be months of endurance training 'til you're happy with it. boxing/mma is fuckin' grueling, but damn it gets you into shape. congrats on getting into it man.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on November 15, 2015, 09:43:55 AM
Thanks, yeah, it's grueling fun and great exercise.  And I've only been at it for about two months, with a few more months than that at the gym as prep work.  Light schedule, though.  Per week, it's usually just an hour of MMA and two hours of cardio/endurance stuff at the gym.  At thee very least, I need more cardio.  Way more cardio. 
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 15, 2015, 10:46:51 AM
...
Would dropping the weight [...] help?

Just don't drop it on your foot.  :wth:
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Post by: Harry Black on November 16, 2015, 10:25:26 AM
Awesome!! Another MMA person on the board!!
J.Eastgate, regards shoulder endurance, its just rough at the start. Skipping will help, but other than that, all you can really do is keep throwing punches/holding a boxing guard to get the muscles used to their new job!
I personally think that weights and plymetrics are a bit over rated for anything except building power (which is nice too).
I would say stick with it, maybe do some shadowboxing/bag work in your free time a few times a week. But dont over do it. Its probably going to take 6-8 weeks to start adapting properly.
I have a door frame floor to ceiling bag I made for home and travel if you are interested, but gentle, technical shadow boxing would be better I think.
Also- Super keen to hear about what you are enjoying/ not enjoying. Personally I find ground work to be a nerd paradise of a puzzle to solve!

My own workout post- Just realised my run times a slipping. Time to shift focus again.
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 16, 2015, 04:55:05 PM
My new Polar heart-rate monitor told me I burned 370 calories in a workout in which I walked 5 minutes to warm up, then ran 3 miles in 38 minutes, then walked 5 minutes again to cool down.

Curiously, it also told me I burned 370 calories in a workout in which I rode the exercise bike for 3 minutes to warm up, then 45 minutes as hard as I could go and still keep going for the length of time, then another 3 minutes to cool down.

The monitor knows my age, height, and weight because it asked me and I told it. It knows my heart rate over the exercise period and the duration, because it measures that. It has no way to know how fast I ran or how far, and on the exercise bike it has no way to know the amount of resistance I was pedaling against or my cadence. I have no idea whether to put any credence in whatever formula it uses to calculate calories from the information it has. It doesn't even know whether I'm jogging or cycling. Yet, when I'm jogging, my weight makes a big difference, while when I'm on the exercise bike, weight is irrelevant. Is heart rate alone a reliable indicator of the rate of calorie burn? I have no idea.

But now I can keep track of my heart rate to know when I'm in the target zone, which is the only reason I bought the monitor. This is my third monitor in two weeks. The first, a Timex, died after 5 sessions. The second, a Garmin Vivo-Fit, was unreadable because of small numbers, poor contrast, and their orientation rotated 90 degrees from how one reads a watch. I have high hopes for the new one, a Polar FT7.
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Post by: lonely moa on November 16, 2015, 05:00:04 PM
The only reliable and accurate way to know how many "calories" you use during exercise is to do it in the lab, in a sealed metabolic chamber.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 19, 2015, 09:02:42 PM
Found myself with no training gear in a hotel room yesterday so I did a circuit- 50 burpees, 50 pushups, 50 sit ups. Three rounds.
Got nicely out of breath and I can feel my thighs nudging me a bit today!
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 19, 2015, 09:29:28 PM
I don't know what burpees are, but I'm impressed by your 150 push-ups. When I was in the Grand Forks, N.D., county jail someone was talking about "The walking tens." And everybody was trying it:

At one end of the room, do one push-up. Get up, walk to the other end of the room, and do two push-ups. Get back up, walk back to the first end of the room,  and do three push-ups. In this manner, work your way up to ten push-ups. You guys (Harry and GodSlayer, at least) would have no trouble with it at all. But damn few people can do 55 push-ups, and since most people are innumerate, they don't realize that that's how many they'll have to do. The part of the jail I was in was barracks style, and I don't remember the number of beds, but I'm going to guesstimate around 30 or 40, and it was nearly full. Nobody there could get up to ten. I was younger then, and I could do 4 or 5.
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Post by: lonely moa on November 20, 2015, 12:55:54 AM
Dead lifts, back squats and weighted chin-ups today.  With the semi-mandatory Tabata finish.

Would have liked to have a ride in the bike park but work got in the way.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 20, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
and weighted chin-ups today.

hardcore!
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Post by: Plastiq on November 20, 2015, 11:39:50 AM
I've given up physical exercise for sitting on the couch and imagining it instead. Basically the same thing, right?
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 20, 2015, 11:57:33 AM
I ran 45 minutes today. 3.6 miles at 4.8 mph (12.5 minutes per mile). This is the longest time I've run without stopping since I quit running 6 miles once a week a couple of decades ago. It's the farthest I've run without stopping since my fitness dropped abruptly about a decade ago and I went from 9.5-minute miles to 12.5-minute miles. And I think it might be the first time I've run 3 miles without stopping three days in a row. My pulse hit 136 but then backed off to 130 for the final 5 minutes. 130 is the top of my target zone, so if it goes above that for more than a few minutes I'll stop or slow down.

And now that I'm jogging regularly again, I'm starting to lose a little weight. I have a serious self-control problem with regard to eating. If I'm not exercising I cannot control it. Cycling is better than nothing, but only regular jogging enables me to really control my eating.

For the foreseeable future, I'm setting 45 minutes as my limit for jogging. If it starts to get too easy (unlikely!) I'll bump up the speed.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 22, 2015, 02:39:58 AM
after my workout today I went looking for what mysterious corner of the gardens this old stone seat was in ... only to find someone has gone and turned it into an homage to stonehenge since last I was there

needless to say my plans changed immediately.

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Post by: Harry Black on November 24, 2015, 05:54:46 PM
Went to my first gymnastics class!
Only €8.50 and I got 20 minutes personal coaching on the trampoline, some instruction on the rings and some progressions to work on, managed the level 2 skills on the low bar and did some swinging on the high bar!
The high bar was the only thing I was really confident of but was much harder than I remember from when I was 12!
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 24, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
Went to my first gymnastics class!
Only €8.50 and I got 20 minutes personal coaching on the trampoline, some instruction on the rings and some progressions to work on, managed the level 2 skills on the low bar and did some swinging on the high bar!
The high bar was the only thing I was really confident of but was much harder than I remember from when I was 12!

nice!
I'm still not confident with the high bar. the whole idea of a loose grip that smoothly rolls around the bar doesn't seem to exist for me.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 25, 2015, 11:51:56 AM
Just did a 10minute run at my maximum capacity. Definitely feels like I got some benefit.
I can see a marked difference between this and the first 10 min of last weeks 25min run.
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 25, 2015, 01:47:23 PM
Kind of tired today. After two days of jogging 3 miles at my usual pace, today I rode the exercise bike for 45 minutes rather slower than usual. With luck, that will count as a partial rest day and I'll be able to jog again tomorrow.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 25, 2015, 03:33:54 PM
I tend to go off the map for a few days at a time if I go visiting people and whatnot.
So I try to do two sessions a day while Im home and then use weekends and whatever as my rest day.
So todays second session was a 1km swim. Nothin crazy, testing my new mp3 player. Absolutely perfect!  Long podcast swims here I come!
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 25, 2015, 04:14:40 PM
When I'm hiking, I hike all day long, but when I do cardio at home there's no way I could do two sessions in a day. I'd either be too exhausted to exercise the next day, or I'd cripple myself with over-use injuries. Even in my 30's and 40's, when I was running 21 miles a week, that limit was set by what I could do without getting overuse injuries. Every time I tried to build up beyond that, I injured myself and would be unable to jog at all for weeks. My goal right now is to get to running 3 miles two days in a row, then a day on the exercycle, then two more days of running 3 miles, then a day off. I'm not there yet, but I think if I get there that's about the best I could hope to maintain. Oh, and two or three days a week of very moderate resistance.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 29, 2015, 04:17:19 PM
Had a social session yesterday morning with my quacky friends. They do know good training practice in fairness.
But anyway, the gym they go to is pretty awesome. A pool and two floors with every piece of apparatus one could need except for rings and whatnot. And at 10:30 on a saturday it was nearly full!
Great people watching experience and saw everything from impressive pros to moronicly overconfident amateurs doing moronic things.
The point I posted to make though- I did not spot a single woman with less than perfect form, less than impressive physiques or wasting any time whatsoever. I asked the lady in our group if they were competitive and she told me "Nope. Mostly single mums"
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 29, 2015, 06:53:19 PM
^ That could be because women are smarter than us; or it could be because the women who have less than perfect form and physique are afraid to go to a gym and be seen.
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 29, 2015, 06:57:26 PM
When I ride the exercise bike I sweat more than when I jog on the treadmill. But when I jog on the treadmill my pulse goes higher. I wonder why this is. The only difference I can think of, since I am at subjectively maximum output in both exercises, that is, I cannot go faster and still keep going for my planned time, is that cycling has more of a resistance component than jogging. But I don't know why that would make me sweat more at a lower heart rate.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 29, 2015, 07:21:13 PM
^ That could be because women are smarter than us; or it could be because the women who have less than perfect form and physique are afraid to go to a gym and be seen.
Well these ladies werent perfect. Just impressive. But I think a lot of it may have to do with the demographics who use the gym at that time on a saturday morning.
The lady I was with did say that she feels extra pressure for perfect form because guys are prone to interrupting her.
So they should be thankful that sexism has made them better athletes really.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 29, 2015, 08:57:05 PM
Great people watching experience and saw everything from impressive pros to moronicly overconfident amateurs doing moronic things.

how do you know they weren't just experienced crossfitters? :D
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Post by: daniel1948 on November 30, 2015, 08:42:07 AM
^ That could be because women are smarter than us; or it could be because the women who have less than perfect form and physique are afraid to go to a gym and be seen.
Well these ladies werent perfect. Just impressive. But I think a lot of it may have to do with the demographics who use the gym at that time on a saturday morning.
The lady I was with did say that she feels extra pressure for perfect form because guys are prone to interrupting her.
So they should be thankful that sexism has made them better athletes really.

I've met women who won't go to a gym, or won't go to the beach, because of their own body image. They think they're not good-looking enough. I know I'm ugly, and I know anybody who sees me in swimwear or exercise-wear is going to notice that I'm ugly, and I don't give a damn, because most of them are ugly also. But there are more women than men who let their own body image keep them from those kinds of places.

OTOH, men are more likely than women to think they know everything, and less likely than women to ask for help. A woman who goes to the gym is more likely than a man to get help learning proper form, so there will be more men than women using poor form.

I don't go to the gym any more. What few things I can do, I do at home.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 01, 2015, 01:32:44 PM
Got my ass kicked last night by some 16 year old boxers! It was great!
My run today has made the muscles from saturdays strength session ache again which is cool/weird.
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Post by: daniel1948 on December 01, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
I jogged 3 miles today, which made 5 days in a row of cardio. Three days jogging, and two on the exercycle. Felt good.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 02, 2015, 01:22:10 PM
Got to do the silk curtain thing in gymnastics last night! Its actually really similar to gym rope climbs so I had a bit of a head start!
The coaches daughter does it pro apparently so she is gona come and give me some one to one instruction next week!
Still no sign of a muscle up. Im SURE I have the necessary strength, I just cant get a straight answer on technique.
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Post by: stonesean on December 02, 2015, 01:51:31 PM
I ran my first half marathon in May 2015.

I've not participated in a race since and have found my motivation to be in the basement as the weather gets colder.  I've run maybe a dozen times since then.  (Always 5k)  Ugh.  Getting mad at myself.

I need to move my lazy ass.
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 02, 2015, 01:55:53 PM
Got to do the silk curtain thing in gymnastics last night! Its actually really similar to gym rope climbs so I had a bit of a head start!
The coaches daughter does it pro apparently so she is gona come and give me some one to one instruction next week!
Still no sign of a muscle up. Im SURE I have the necessary strength, I just cant get a straight answer on technique.

are we talking bar or rings?
false grip or no?

have you practiced negatives?

I have to go to bed, but give me any questions or thoughts you have, and I'll try to put together something helpful tomorrow.

speaking of silks. today's obsession has been the 'reverse meat hook' (often done in circus circles / on straps/silks/etc.). apparently it's all kinds of difficult, eh (I learned a lot on reddit!). (Which explains why I've never seen Hannibal for King or any of those other 'i do dozens of muscle ups like they're nothing' guys doing one)

I wouldn't be surprised if the daughter can do it and makes it look so easy it's hard to figure out why you can't do it yourself (though people have warned me very strongly about even trying to practice for it without a spotter, so maybe best not to try!)
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Post by: Harry Black on December 02, 2015, 02:06:52 PM
We are talking any kind of muscle up on any apparatus whatsoever.
I do negatives when I can but finding somewhere to do them is tough because my problem is that I cant get above the things Im doing pull ups on in the first place.
I can chicken wing it but that really hurts and seems really dangerous.
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Post by: daniel1948 on December 02, 2015, 04:32:01 PM
I took a day off today after 5 days in a row of exercise.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 02, 2015, 04:33:45 PM
Not a bad idea. After tomorrows session Im going on a 4 day bender. Kind of dreading it.
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Post by: lonely moa on December 02, 2015, 05:12:55 PM
Maybe I should take a day off, excercise comes in many forms.  Today, it has been shifting straw bales and looking to an hour on the mountain bike.  Looking forward to breakfast, just a couple hours away.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 02, 2015, 07:56:20 PM
I know I have the advantage of youth but I always tried not to count physical work as exercise because I know so many hard core manual labourers who were in just atrocious shape.
I definitely think it counts when I look at my dad though. In fact I wish he would do less.
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Post by: lonely moa on December 02, 2015, 08:52:51 PM
I know I have the advantage of youth but I always tried not to count physical work as exercise because I know so many hard core manual labourers who were in just atrocious shape.
I definitely think it counts when I look at my dad though. In fact I wish he would do less.

Depends a lot on how and what one eats (and drinks) and what one does after labour. I see your point, bloody strong but couldn't run away from a charging tiger.
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Post by: lonely moa on December 03, 2015, 01:13:38 AM
Ooops.  It's raining so I gymmed.  Pull-ups, squats, dead lifts.  All heavy.  Tabata to finish.  Nice rolling session after.
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Post by: lonely moa on December 03, 2015, 01:18:12 AM
The local ski hill has gone crazy.  They won the best skifield in NZ prize.  Season passes are $299... that's a third the price of last year.  Yoo Hoo!

There may be some dent in my unused sick days.  It's a long time till Queen's Birthday, though.
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 03, 2015, 05:58:48 AM
We are talking any kind of muscle up on any apparatus whatsoever.
I do negatives when I can but finding somewhere to do them is tough because my problem is that I cant get above the things Im doing pull ups on in the first place.
I can chicken wing it but that really hurts and seems really dangerous.

sweet as. I'll try to put something together today.
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Post by: Anders on December 03, 2015, 06:02:47 AM
I know I have the advantage of youth but I always tried not to count physical work as exercise because I know so many hard core manual labourers who were in just atrocious shape.
I definitely think it counts when I look at my dad though. In fact I wish he would do less.

Depends a lot on how and what one eats (and drinks) and what one does after labour. I see your point, bloody strong but couldn't run away from a charging tiger.

Are you likely to meet a charging tiger? Because if not, I wouldn't worry about that.
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Post by: daniel1948 on December 03, 2015, 08:59:59 AM
I know I have the advantage of youth but I always tried not to count physical work as exercise because I know so many hard core manual labourers who were in just atrocious shape.
I definitely think it counts when I look at my dad though. In fact I wish he would do less.

Physical labor definitely does count. But often it's not a complete workout. It may be a lot of heavy lifting but no cardio. Both are important for all-around health. And you still need a healthy diet, which is independent of your work or exercise habits. Does anyone remember Jim Fixx? Marathon runner. Ate an atrocious diet because he thought that running marathons made healthy food unnecessary. Died young of a heart attack.

I know I have the advantage of youth but I always tried not to count physical work as exercise because I know so many hard core manual labourers who were in just atrocious shape.
I definitely think it counts when I look at my dad though. In fact I wish he would do less.

Depends a lot on how and what one eats (and drinks) and what one does after labour. I see your point, bloody strong but couldn't run away from a charging tiger.

Are you likely to meet a charging tiger? Because if not, I wouldn't worry about that.

Your ability to run from a tiger is an indication of your cardiovascular health, which is an important component of overall health. People who are capable of running from a tiger are healthier, other things being equal, than people who are not. However, if you are actually in the presence of a tiger, running away is your worst choice, because it stimulates the chase response in the tiger. If you are a tiger, food runs away. My cat never chased a mouse until it started to run away.

So the counter-intuitive advice is: train to run from a tiger whether you are likely to meet one or not, but if you do meet one, don't run away from it.

I wish I had a tiger. I'd take it for walks and let it eat those annoying yappy football dogs.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 03, 2015, 09:18:08 AM
Yeah I think diet and lifestyle is more important than specific exercise.
The guys that do construction around here look like they are going to drop dead at any moment. Breakfast rolls twice every morning, massive fry up lunches. Who knows what for dinner. At least one or two pints a day too. They would brag to me about how fit they are from bricklaying or slating roofs  all day but they were all seriously obese and not very strong either to be honest.
Now there were two or three who lived a moderate healthy lifestyle and looked awesome well into their late 40s.
The main reason I never counted physical labour like working on fishing boats, farms or building sites was simply because those activities had nothing to do with my goals which were very sport specific.
I think its definitely a good way to go for someone who just likes to keep ticking over, as long as you arent repetitively doing things that will cause injuries.
Like my dad and his bloody log splitting.
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Post by: lonely moa on December 03, 2015, 01:05:37 PM
I know I have the advantage of youth but I always tried not to count physical work as exercise because I know so many hard core manual labourers who were in just atrocious shape.
I definitely think it counts when I look at my dad though. In fact I wish he would do less.

Depends a lot on how and what one eats (and drinks) and what one does after labour. I see your point, bloody strong but couldn't run away from a charging tiger.


Are you likely to meet a charging tiger? Because if not, I wouldn't worry about that.

I might need to get out of a burning building or dig my companion out of an avalanche , though.

Running away from a tiger isn't really an indication of cardiovascular health.  It's a sign of anaerobic health and strength, really.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 03, 2015, 02:10:16 PM
And superhuman powers if you can actually do it.
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Post by: lonely moa on December 03, 2015, 02:49:42 PM
And superhuman powers if you can actually do it.

Fitness and practice, practice, practice.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 03, 2015, 02:57:27 PM
And superhuman powers if you can actually do it.

Fitness and practice, practice, practice.
Usain Bolt could not out run a tiger. But he doesnt practice enough and eats mcdonalds so maybe theres hope for us yet.
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Post by: Anders on December 03, 2015, 04:14:46 PM
I know I have the advantage of youth but I always tried not to count physical work as exercise because I know so many hard core manual labourers who were in just atrocious shape.
I definitely think it counts when I look at my dad though. In fact I wish he would do less.

Depends a lot on how and what one eats (and drinks) and what one does after labour. I see your point, bloody strong but couldn't run away from a charging tiger.


Are you likely to meet a charging tiger? Because if not, I wouldn't worry about that.

I might need to get out of a burning building or dig my companion out of an avalanche , though.

Running away from a tiger isn't really an indication of cardiovascular health.  It's a sign of anaerobic health and strength, really.

I just wonder why that's the metric? Surely there are better indicators of cardiovascular health than your ability to outrun a tiger. Who are you? Mowgli?
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Post by: Harry Black on December 04, 2015, 03:42:06 AM
Its just a figure of speech. The idea being people at the most basic level needed to be strong to carry animal carcases and fast enough to run from predators.
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Post by: daniel1948 on December 04, 2015, 10:10:38 AM
Running from predators is always a bad idea, though it's a very popular meme. They're all faster, and running incites them to chase. Our ancestors on the savanna needed stamina to chase down prey. We're not terribly fast, as predators go, but when in good shape (as our ancestors would have been) we can run for miles and miles.
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Post by: Anders on December 04, 2015, 10:17:55 AM
Above all, we can use tools. In fact, the tiger has much more reason to be afraid of us and our tools than we have to be afraid of them and their teeth and claws.
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Post by: lonely moa on December 04, 2015, 12:15:32 PM
Its just a figure of speech. The idea being people at the most basic level needed to be strong to carry animal carcases and fast enough to run from predators.
πp
Some people just need to get out more, I reckon.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on December 04, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Running from predators is always a bad idea, though it's a very popular meme. They're all faster, and running incites them to chase.

Maybe one-on-one; but running from predators is why antelopes are still a thing. 
The best defense against a predator, is a vulnerable colleague.
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Post by: daniel1948 on December 04, 2015, 02:02:12 PM
The difference is that antelope run much faster than people and can outrun most predators. Further, they are herd animals that habitually run bunched together. And to a big cat, antelopes taste much better than people do. People are seldom in large enough groups that running from a charging cat will confuse the cat.
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Post by: lonely moa on December 04, 2015, 02:31:42 PM
At the risk of falling into the trap that outrunning tigers was ever meant in a literal sense, may I point out that Tim Noakes describes hunting antelopes by humans in the Kalahari in "Waterlogged".  They never compete with the antelopes for speed but just keep them moving in the hot sun until they basically just stand and are killed with poisoned arrows at close range.

 
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 04, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
At the risk of falling into the trap that outrunning tigers was ever meant in a literal sense, may I point out that Tim Noakes describes hunting antelopes by humans in the Kalahari in "Waterlogged".  They never compete with the antelopes for speed but just keep them moving in the hot sun until they basically just stand and are killed with poisoned arrows at close range.

'persistence hunting'

doesn't work on women.
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 05, 2015, 02:52:30 AM
grr, almost everything recorded today is suffixed 'fails'. buuuuut at least I did something -- and possibly recruited a couple more people for the little group training we got goin' on.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on December 09, 2015, 07:30:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csayHw_26GE
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Post by: Harry Black on December 09, 2015, 07:52:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csayHw_26GE
Awesome!
I find the bro culture over confidence in combat sports to be pretty sickening. I sound like an old fogey but I used to like when fighters were harshly disciplined for displays of disrespect.
Just get in, fight and stfu.
The guy who broke my arm in a sunday afternoon tournament celebrated like he had just won the last UFC title ever to be won. It was quite confusing.
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Post by: stonesean on December 09, 2015, 09:37:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csayHw_26GE
Awesome!
I find the bro culture over confidence in combat sports to be pretty sickening. I sound like an old fogey but I used to like when fighters were harshly disciplined for displays of disrespect.
Just get in, fight and stfu.
The guy who broke my arm in a sunday afternoon tournament celebrated like he had just won the last UFC title ever to be won. It was quite confusing.

One of my close buddies used to fight on an amateur level and in military intramurals.  Waaay back in 2002 I was even one of his corner men for a few tournaments.  (remember tournaments!?)  I distinctly remember when overt taunting (and even things like super flashy trunks and music and what not) was so strongly frowned upon that it seemed embarrassing when people dipped their toes in those waters.

I think the entrance of big significant amounts of money in the sport is probably what set the stage for pro wrestling style theatrics being acceptable.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 09, 2015, 09:46:29 AM
Yeah. That and the whole "people love to see if he will lose" attraction that loudmouths seem to create with their big fights.
When I watch UFC i skip right to the bell ring of the first round because I cant even stand listening to Bruce Buffer
 Id never attend a live show.
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 09, 2015, 10:04:56 AM
it just seems kinda American TV to me. I mean, like, watch US Ninja Warrior, they do these big backstories so that you have someone to root for. it's nothing to do with the quality of the competitor. they do this 'while we were on break, here are some people who ran the course' thing where guys who put in good performances are overlooked, presumably because they don't have a heartfelt backstory to fluff up the show, meanwhile losing competitors get their whole run shown after their backstory piece.

I don't really get the whole 'go, my city!' thing in sports. I enjoy watching NBA, but I have no one to root for, it's just cool. fighting is the same... unless you give me some music and attitude and pre-fight conference/weigh-in action to give me some reason to like one fighter over the other, I'm going to be less invested in the whole thing.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 09, 2015, 10:12:08 AM
Really? I usually dont root for anyone. I just want to see how it plays out because both fighters are usually equally awful.
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Post by: daniel1948 on December 09, 2015, 04:05:01 PM
Why do we consider two people hitting each other, with a goal of causing the other guy brain damage (which is what a knock-out is) a sport?
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Post by: Harry Black on December 09, 2015, 05:17:27 PM
Because they consent to it? And its directly related to multiple primal methids of determining fitness and value.
And the level of complexity involved can be quite astounding.
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 09, 2015, 07:44:54 PM
Why do we consider two people hitting each other, with a goal of causing the other guy brain damage (which is what a knock-out is) a sport?

I dunno. I don't think I'd call bumfights or bar fights a sport.

boxing is a sport because both people are very skilled and very well conditioned athletes, and achieving that 'brain damage' is very difficult to do.

Look at that last Mayweather fight that everyone called boring -- you've got a guy who'd love to knock him the hell out, it would skyrocket his career, but he just can't fucking do it, Mayweather manages to just slip away, bob and weave and parry and just dance away from all the violence -- Pacquiao guy is skilled in throwing hundreds of punches and hurting people with them, but nevertheless is simply incapable of doing so. Imagine, instead, audience member after audience member volunteers to go a round with Pacquiao -- imagine how many he could have KO'd in the span of 12 rounds like it was nothing, a quick flurry of punches they can't think their way out of, a quick hook they don't even see coming, ...and then you get an idea of the sport involved.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 10, 2015, 06:34:09 AM
Id say any degree of brain damage in pro boxing is quite hard to avoid.
Its also a bit problematic that boxers start so young.
But in general Im ok with the sport because I can learn from it, which is pretty selfish.
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 10, 2015, 06:39:37 AM
I'm ok with it because where do you draw the line otherwise.
I'm ok with it because I'm ok with euthanasia; because I don't think suicide is a sin; because I don't think I have a right to order you to be a specific bodyweight, or to look after your liver or your lungs.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 10, 2015, 06:58:58 AM
Its only problematic to me because kids generally get to view it as a career path before their brains are developed enough to calculate risk and once you are making that kind of money, its a very hard decision to make, to pull out because of abstract future health issues.
But not so much that I want it banned.
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Post by: daniel1948 on December 10, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
I guess I would not ban consenting adults from doing whatever they want together. I think the way young people are lured into it is problematic. And I do think that watching other people beat each other into a pulp is sick. "Punch drunk" is the condition of cumulative brain damage that, if I understand correctly, all boxers wind up with after a while.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 10, 2015, 10:47:12 AM
I guess I would not ban consenting adults from doing whatever they want together. I think the way young people are lured into it is problematic. And I do think that watching other people beat each other into a pulp is sick. "Punch drunk" is the condition of cumulative brain damage that, if I understand correctly, all boxers wind up with after a while.
Its why I prefer MMA to be honest. I watch and train in boxing as a component of that.
But it depends on why you like watching people beat each other up really. When MMA was more bloody, it was less popular and the ref stoppages are pretty spot on in my opinion. Maybe removing the gloves would reduce brain damage though? Broken hands tend to stop people hitting to the skull so much.
I will say though that something clicks inside me when I see a person push through pain and injury to achieve a goal. Its one of the few things that really gets me emotionally invested in something. Otherwise Im just enjoying technique.
Which is why I find the womens fights far preferable. The level of technical proficiency is way higher.
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Post by: stonesean on December 10, 2015, 11:15:28 AM
I guess I would not ban consenting adults from doing whatever they want together. I think the way young people are lured into it is problematic. And I do think that watching other people beat each other into a pulp is sick. "Punch drunk" is the condition of cumulative brain damage that, if I understand correctly, all boxers wind up with after a while.
Its why I prefer MMA to be honest. I watch and train in boxing as a component of that.
But it depends on why you like watching people beat each other up really. When MMA was more bloody, it was less popular and the ref stoppages are pretty spot on in my opinion. Maybe removing the gloves would reduce brain damage though? Broken hands tend to stop people hitting to the skull so much.
I will say though that something clicks inside me when I see a person push through pain and injury to achieve a goal. Its one of the few things that really gets me emotionally invested in something. Otherwise Im just enjoying technique.
Which is why I find the womens fights far preferable. The level of technical proficiency is way higher.

Isn't there scientific data that suggests that MMA fighters suffer less brain injury than boxers?

I've always assumed MMA guys get a lot more ligament/joint and superficial soft tissue damage, which looks gruesome and bloody, but isn't nearly as harmful as a few hundred minor concussions over the course of a career....
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on December 10, 2015, 11:20:12 AM
Personally, I attribute the draw to vestigial primate instincts.
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Post by: daniel1948 on December 10, 2015, 11:21:42 AM
Pushing through pain and injury. "Take one for the team." And high school or college kids go from sports hero to crippled for the rest of their life. How much of that is the kid's free choice to take calculated risks, and how much is pressure from peers and school staff about school patriotism?

Hypocrisy admission: I've watched a couple of Ronda Rousey's MMA fights on YouTube, and I thought she was pretty hot. But then, she is pretty damn hot! And I don't remember if there was any hitting, or if it was really just Greco-Roman wrestling. Both fights ended rather quickly with the other fighter tapping out.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 10, 2015, 11:31:29 AM
Yeah MMA fighters recieve less head trauma because they have more options than boxers and different stoppage rules. It could be made even better though.
Rousey is a wrecking ball though, she really hands out some beatings!
The soft tissue stuff is mostly from people at the learning phase trying to muscle out of certain holds or submissions. It is very mitigatable though.
But yeah, I dont really get as excited by watching team or patriotism motivated folks. Team sports do zero for me, its the concept of someone out there on their own, putting it on the line that I love.
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Post by: stonesean on December 10, 2015, 11:32:18 AM
Pushing through pain and injury. "Take one for the team." And high school or college kids go from sports hero to crippled for the rest of their life. How much of that is the kid's free choice to take calculated risks, and how much is pressure from peers and school staff about school patriotism?

Hypocrisy admission: I've watched a couple of Ronda Rousey's MMA fights on YouTube, and I thought she was pretty hot. But then, she is pretty damn hot! And I don't remember if there was any hitting, or if it was really just Greco-Roman wrestling. Both fights ended rather quickly with the other fighter tapping out.

I like to watch fighting for the same reason I think most people like to watch fighting.  It IS a primal appeal.

Lots of fights end with grappling and an opponent tapping out due to a joint lock or some such thing.

A hyperextended elbow isn't going to do much neurological damage.   Particularly when compared to getting punched in the head for 12 rounds.

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Post by: Harry Black on December 10, 2015, 04:21:35 PM
Speak of the devil!
I got rocked by a shot in sparring tonight and had dejavu for the next two rounds. Really felt like puking too.
Very satisfying though.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on December 12, 2015, 05:12:46 PM
Core_Strength.gif:
(http://i.imgur.com/2i7SUHv.gif)
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 13, 2015, 01:37:34 AM
Core_Strength.gif:
(http://i.imgur.com/2i7SUHv.gif)

it's mostly shoulders. (anyone can rest their body on an object and hold their legs out like this, but not anybody can maintain a maltese hold. the core only has to hold up the legs here, the shoulders have to hold up everything from the shoulders down.
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Post by: xenu on December 13, 2015, 06:59:49 PM
Hi all thought I would chime in and stop lurking. I finally got a double body weight dead lift in. I have lifted for most of my life but in the last 3 yrs have gone more power lifting (5x5). I use to be more about getting 8-12 reps in before I moved up in weight. Now I just lift as heavy as I can even if I drop to 3 reps.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 13, 2015, 07:10:45 PM
Hi all thought I would chime in and stop lurking. I finally got a double body weight dead lift in. I have lifted for most of my life but in the last 3 yrs have gone more power lifting (5x5). I use to be more about getting 8-12 reps in before I moved up in weight. Now I just lift as heavy as I can even if I drop to 3 reps.
Nice!!
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on December 14, 2015, 06:47:24 AM
This guy's combination of build and agility is ridiculous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0mNtzltUvE

He looks like a street fighter character.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 14, 2015, 07:11:40 AM
Really impressive moves!
Kind of disjointing that he kept stopping to flex!
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 14, 2015, 07:12:29 AM
He looks like a street fighter character.

yea, apparently that's kinda what tricking's all about.

martial artists trying to do crazy shit like you see in fighting games, and then it became a sport:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMuHX2UHjHU

back to your vid, though, you can see from his form that he doesn't really do rings -- he has a lot of shoulder strength, so he can kinda do an iron cross, but he either hasn't done the prep work to be able to do it safely with proper form or hasn't a clue. and his muscle-ups are surprisingly bad for someone with that kind of strength. last guy I met that tank could do L-sit MUs like they were nothing. it's impressive he can do a back handspring, though, given that he doesn't appear to have particularly good flexibility.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 14, 2015, 07:39:33 AM
I was kind of thinking that about his iron cross and muscle ups but my knowledge is limited.
Im getting feck all coaching on either from the coaches at my gymnastics coaches at the moment which is frustrating.
Ive started doing chest to bar pull ups and can just get my solar plexus to the bar for sets of 5 reps but the pain in my elbows after is excrutiating so I need to start pushing them harder for coaching points.
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 14, 2015, 07:57:47 AM
Ive started doing chest to bar pull ups and can just get my solar plexus to the bar for sets of 5 reps but the pain in my elbows after is excrutiating so I need to start pushing them harder for coaching points.

hmm, I've heard about that, but never experienced it (I do mostly ring work, not bar)

given that there are a thousand tutorials out there I'm really not sure what to say that you probably don't already know, unless you have a form check video or anything I can look at.

you've tried doing negatives? you've tried on rings? you can maintain false-grip ok? you don't have any problem dipping low?
on bar you need a bit of timing, jump up/foward to the bar so you generate a little bit of a swing, then as the back swing initiates you start the pull, you can also bring knees up at this time to make it easier (in all the SW competitions where guys have to do their best shit for a solid 5-10 minutes they all use that technique), then it's just a matter of trying to keep a pull and getting weight over that pivot point (like trying to drag yourself up onto a raft from the water)...eventually with explosive power or hard kipping you can do the much more straight-arm kind of muscle-ups where your chest is further from the bar the whole time and at some point after the pull you begin a straight arm push-down to get the height... not something I've done or even seen people doing yet, just gymnasts and the elite competition guys. I just mention it to note the mechanics/angles/etc. involved can be so varied depending on your body position arm position and body height at any given point... making it hard to give pointers without having seen anything to point out.

one thing I can say is that narrow/shoulder-width grip is what helped me get the bar MU when I did get it...I had previously been trying far too wide grip where I couldn't generate a good enough pull. being narrow doesn't mean you're making it harder by being further from the bar (the whole long arms/long lever thing), because you just bend your arms as much as you have to like a push-up until you're up in a dip position. other than that, it's just timing and speed.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 15, 2015, 05:31:18 AM
Thanks for that, Im going in tonight and I will run down that list!
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Post by: lonely moa on December 29, 2015, 09:10:00 PM
Hi all thought I would chime in and stop lurking. I finally got a double body weight dead lift in. I have lifted for most of my life but in the last 3 yrs have gone more power lifting (5x5). I use to be more about getting 8-12 reps in before I moved up in weight. Now I just lift as heavy as I can even if I drop to 3 reps.

You are an inspiration.  Just managed a double body weight (and age) dead lift today.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 30, 2015, 11:22:44 AM
Chest to bar pull ups dont hurt anymore.
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Post by: xenu on December 30, 2015, 05:58:03 PM
Hi all thought I would chime in and stop lurking. I finally got a double body weight dead lift in. I have lifted for most of my life but in the last 3 yrs have gone more power lifting (5x5). I use to be more about getting 8-12 reps in before I moved up in weight. Now I just lift as heavy as I can even if I drop to 3 reps.

You are an inspiration.  Just managed a double body weight (and age) dead lift today.

Nice
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 02, 2016, 04:36:09 PM
In preparation for my trip to Maui next month, when I expect to do a little freediving (though mostly kayaking) I began doing my breath-hold exercises today. After 5 minutes of relaxing and long, slow breathing (quick inhale followed by very slow exhale, which helps to lower the heart rate) I did a 2:10 breath hold. Then with 3 to 5 minute breathing intervals in between, I held my breath for 2:30 then 3:00 and finally ended with a three minute and fifteen second breath hold.

I was actually surprised. I didn't think I'd get past about 1:15 on my first breath-hold, and I didn't think I'd do better than 2:30 for the session. I'm pretty happy with 3:15 on day one, especially considering that my best ever was 4:15.

I find it difficult to do breath-hold and cardio on the same day. Today was a day off from cardio.

Note: Static apnea competitions are held in the water. Do NOT ever attempt apnea in water without a trained and trustworthy buddy present. If you black out in the water without a buddy present you could die. I do my breath-hold exercises in my living room.
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Post by: AQB24712 on January 07, 2016, 08:01:13 PM
I went roller skating on Saturday for the first time in several years.  Actually, I signed up for four sessions of beginner lessons, since I've never had lessons.  The class is an older man, a teen girl, three little girls, one little boy, and me.  After the lesson, I stayed for the public session and skated for about 45 minutes.  I do love roller skating, although I hate dodging all the little kids who don't follow good rink etiquette.

I was a little worried about my post-op foot, and indeed it hurt like a motherfucker for a while, but then it eased up, and afterward it actually felt much better.  I suppose it's possible that a lot of the deep soreness was alleviated by working the muscles.  It seems as though my forefoot has widened, so my skate boot kinda pinched the outside of my foot by my pinky toe, like I have a bit of a tailor's bunion.  I'm working on that with shoe stretchers, so I hope it'll be more comfortable for this weekend's second lesson.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 07, 2016, 08:18:16 PM
Awesome! Glad you had fun Qubie!
Ive had a terrible day of being a quitter.
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 07, 2016, 10:43:19 PM
I fell out of a tree. wrist is sore, ankle is sore, shoulder is bruised.
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Post by: lonely moa on January 07, 2016, 11:12:38 PM

I was a little worried about my post-op foot, and indeed it hurt like a motherfucker for a while, but then it eased up, and afterward it actually felt much better.  I suppose it's possible that a lot of the deep soreness was alleviated by working the muscles. 

It's often that way.  Good to be active again, no?
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 08, 2016, 10:36:01 AM
I went roller skating on Saturday for the first time in several years.  Actually, I signed up for four sessions of beginner lessons, since I've never had lessons.  The class is an older man, a teen girl, three little girls, one little boy, and me.  After the lesson, I stayed for the public session and skated for about 45 minutes.  I do love roller skating, although I hate dodging all the little kids who don't follow good rink etiquette.

I was a little worried about my post-op foot, and indeed it hurt like a motherfucker for a while, but then it eased up, and afterward it actually felt much better.  I suppose it's possible that a lot of the deep soreness was alleviated by working the muscles.  It seems as though my forefoot has widened, so my skate boot kinda pinched the outside of my foot by my pinky toe, like I have a bit of a tailor's bunion.  I'm working on that with shoe stretchers, so I hope it'll be more comfortable for this weekend's second lesson.

In my experience, there are pains that ease up or go away with activity, and others that get worse unless given rest. I'm not very good at deciding which I have. Pretty much every time I jog, the bottoms of my feet start to hurt around 5 minutes, and by 10 or 12 minutes usually feel fine. Sometimes one or another of my big toes does the same. After an actual injury or surgery it's really hard to know when it's time to resume exercising, but waiting too long seems as bad as starting too soon.

I fell out of a tree. wrist is sore, ankle is sore, shoulder is bruised.

I'm sorry to hear this. I hope you get better quickly. I guess the lesson here is Don't fall out of trees.  :wth:
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Post by: Friendly Angel on January 08, 2016, 12:00:55 PM
I fell out of a tree. wrist is sore, ankle is sore, shoulder is bruised.

Stangers podcast had a story this week about a woman who fell out of a tree and was instantly paralyzed.  It was mostly a positive story about a relationship, but it was also a reminder that your life can change forever in the blink of an eye.  I think about that sometimes when I'm bike riding... had two pretty bad crashes in 2014... lucky they weren't life-changing crashes.
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 08, 2016, 12:16:10 PM
Stangers podcast had a story this week about a woman who fell out of a tree and was instantly paralyzed.  It was mostly a positive story about a relationship,

oh don't tell me a paralyzed chick has a better dating life than me. that's hardly positive.
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Post by: lonely moa on January 08, 2016, 12:40:52 PM
I fell out of a tree. wrist is sore, ankle is sore, shoulder is bruised.

Bummer.  I hope t's just sore and bruised. I can relate.
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 08, 2016, 01:46:50 PM
I fell out of a tree. wrist is sore, ankle is sore, shoulder is bruised.

Bummer.  I hope t's just sore and bruised. I can relate.

well, the wrist isn't swollen, but I'm taking it easy. the ankle kinda gets tweaked if I roll it the wrong way. I assume it's nothing major. quite surprising given the height of the fall.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 08, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
I fell out of a tree. wrist is sore, ankle is sore, shoulder is bruised.

Stangers podcast had a story this week about a woman who fell out of a tree and was instantly paralyzed.  It was mostly a positive story about a relationship, but it was also a reminder that your life can change forever in the blink of an eye.  I think about that sometimes when I'm bike riding... had two pretty bad crashes in 2014... lucky they weren't life-changing crashes.

I met a woman who was paraplegic as the result of being thrown by a horse. Her job had been exercising race horses. Makes me very wary of wanting to sit on a horse when I have two perfectly good legs of my own.

Stangers podcast had a story this week about a woman who fell out of a tree and was instantly paralyzed.  It was mostly a positive story about a relationship,

oh don't tell me a paralyzed chick has a better dating life than me. that's hardly positive.

Everybody has a better dating life than me. The last date I had was in around 1998. That girl was mentally ill. I mean, literally, in and out of the mental hospital on a regular basis. Before that I had a date in around 1989 or 1990. She dumped me after 2 dates. Usually they just decline to go out with me at all. I've known plenty of ugly people, handicapped people, drunks, and abusers who get dates. And I've had single female friends who think I'd be an excellent husband, for somebody else. Never for them.

On a lighter note, I jogged 45 minutes today, 3.6 miles (5.8 km). Having jogged two days in a row I was going to take a day off and maybe do apnea work, or else ride the exercise bike. But I was feeling so good I decided to jog, and still felt so good after my usual 3 miles (37 1/2 minutes) that I kept going to 45 minutes. My pulse stayed well within my aerobic target zone. And my weight is down a wee bit, which is good, after the weight I gained in the past year. I'm finally getting back to normal after my hernia surgery at the end of August.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2016, 07:41:38 AM
Whst kind of apnea training do you do daniel?
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Post by: AQB24712 on January 14, 2016, 09:20:30 AM
Whst kind of apnea training do you do daniel?

Scroll yerself up to Reply #620, nerd.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 14, 2016, 09:37:45 AM
They are called breath-hold tables: After a few minutes of relaxation, you set a regular pattern of breathing: A quick inhale, momentary hold, then very slow exhale, then momentary hold, quick inhale, and repeat. After a few minutes of this, you hold your breath for a specified time, then again the patterned breathing. The table specifies how long each breath-hold and each breathing period is. There are two types of tables, and you alternate between them on different days. One type, called O2 tables, for reasons I've never understood, has a constant breathing time while the breath-hold time gets longer for each hold. The other, called CO2 tables, for reasons equally mysterious to me, uses a constant breath-hold time, while the breathing interval gets shorter for each segment. Both kinds of tables are graduated from beginner to advanced, and you progress to more and more difficult tables.

There are also exercises designed to increase your maximum lung capacity and reduce your residual lung volume (the air remaining after a complete exhale) but I'm not going to describe them because they are dangerous if done improperly, and should only be done after proper training with an instructor. There are several outfits where you can go to learn these and much more about freediving.  I took my first class from William Trubridge (world record-holder in constant-weight no-fins) of Vertical Blue and subsequent classes from Performance Freediving International. PFI has classes at various places, and Vertical Blue has classes at Dean's Blue Hole in the Bahamas. You can find both on the internet. They will teach you to freedive deeper and longer than you ever thought possible, and most importantly, they'll teach you to do it safely.

There are also exercises that help other aspects of freediving, such as equalization and combating the urge to breathe resulting from factors unrelated to your actual need for oxygen.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2016, 09:53:46 AM
Whst kind of apnea training do you do daniel?

Scroll yerself up to Reply #620, nerd.
Youre not the boss of me!>:-(


Cheers daniel! I actually have those tables on my phone and Ive been meaning to start with them! The crazy thing is that I dont even need to get off my ass to do it and Im still too lazy.
Will give it a go this evening, might make a good addition to my stretching sessions!
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 14, 2016, 11:22:54 AM
Yeah, there are several breath-hold apps available. They all work, though breath-hold time is only a small part of safe freediving, which is why I recommend a class, even for an already-experienced freediver or spearfisher. Surprisingly, breath-hold tables are very tiring. I find it extremely difficult to do a cardio workout and breath-hold tables on the same day.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2016, 11:37:55 AM
Yeah, there are several breath-hold apps available. They all work, though breath-hold time is only a small part of safe freediving, which is why I recommend a class, even for an already-experienced freediver or spearfisher. Surprisingly, breath-hold tables are very tiring. I find it extremely difficult to do a cardio workout and breath-hold tables on the same day.
I just downloaded a few apps. They dont seem to give any instruction on what way to set the holds and breaks but I found some resources online for designing ones own tables.

A freediving class has been on my to do list for a while.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 14, 2016, 01:55:47 PM
Performance Freediving International is my recommendation for the best outfit. And they have classes in a variety of locations, including Hawaii, the Cayman Islands, Ft. Lauderdale, and Miami. There are also PFI-trained instructors offering classes at other places.

The apps I have just ask you to set your maximum breath-hold time, and then they set the holds and breaks. Start out by setting a maximum hold of two minutes. Then adjust up or down. If you can't make it to 2, set it lower next time. If you make it to 2 easily, set it higher. PFI recommends twice a week, one for the O2 tables, and one for the CO2 tables. Sometimes I just improvise, which is probably not as good as following the tables.

Do it lying on your back on the floor, relaxed. If you don't have carpeted floors, put something down so you're not lying on tile or hardwood. I find it helps to be warmly dressed, but that might be because I don't keep my house too warm. DON'T EVER DO IT IN THE WATER WITHOUT A TRAINED BUDDY. YOU COULD DROWN.

And just as with cardio, you'll have good days and bad days, and you'll have plateaus.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2016, 02:00:27 PM
Thanks for the advice!
Yep, no interest in doing any challenging breath work in the pool unless Ive an instructor about.
On the advice of this article Im taking my maximum hold and using 50% for the co2 table and 80% for the max hold on the o2 table.
Im only going to do co2 tonight.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 14, 2016, 05:18:16 PM
I'd start with the O2 table. I think it's easier to increase your hold time than to decrease your breathing time. Plus, that will help you figure out what your present level is.

Have you done breath-hold before? What's your best static time? (Static = without exercise, as opposed to dynamic, which is how far you can swim under water.)
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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2016, 05:30:26 PM
Ive done a fair bit but not properly structured.
My best time is barely over 3 minutes but my current max is about 2:10.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 14, 2016, 05:44:20 PM
My advice: Set your table to 2:30 and work up to it. You might find that working the table (as opposed to just holding your breath) you hit 2:30 right away and end up setting your table to 3:30.

You will hold your breath a lot longer by building up over the course of a half-hour or 45-minute session than you will on a single try.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2016, 06:01:10 PM
Thanks!!
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Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2016, 06:38:24 PM
Yep. Got to 2:30 with 90sec breaks.
That was quite challenging!
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 14, 2016, 09:41:07 PM
You'll get to 3:30 easily if you take 3 minute breaks. Maybe break 4:00. In actual freediving you'll be taking longer than 3-minute surface intervals, though you'll be swimming, which uses up oxygen and shortens your dive time. In a competition you'd probably take 5-minute surface intervals between practice dives and a ten-minute surface interval before your target dive.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 16, 2016, 12:07:32 PM
Nice easy morning session in the pool.
25m underwater-1-2min rest-repeat for 30 minutes.
The pool I found was a gem, in a dangerous area but no swimming hat rule, great locker system and only €4.50.

Felt very relaxed til Id been out of the pool 20min and then walking around I could very much feel my heartbeat.

Id like to further reduce my strokes per length from 10 down to 7 or 8.
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Post by: lonely moa on January 16, 2016, 12:23:26 PM
Nice easy morning session in the pool.
25m underwater-1-2min rest-repeat for 30 minutes.
The pool I found was a gem, in a dangerous area but no swimming hat rule, great locker system and only €4.50.

Felt very relaxed til Id been out of the pool 20min and then walking around I could very much feel my heartbeat.

Id like to further reduce my strokes per length from 10 down to 7 or 8.

When I was a teenage competitive swimmer, I'd do 50 metres, but just once in a while; no particular reason.  I did a lot of breast stroke.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 16, 2016, 12:26:03 PM
Nice easy morning session in the pool.
25m underwater-1-2min rest-repeat for 30 minutes.
The pool I found was a gem, in a dangerous area but no swimming hat rule, great locker system and only €4.50.

Felt very relaxed til Id been out of the pool 20min and then walking around I could very much feel my heartbeat.

Id like to further reduce my strokes per length from 10 down to 7 or 8.

When I was a teenage competitive swimmer, I'd do 50 metres, but just once in a while; no particular reason.  I did a lot of breast stroke.
I know loads of people who say the same. Id love to build to that. I think reducing my strokes per length would really help along side increasing lung capacity.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 16, 2016, 03:23:53 PM
Please only do this with a competent buddy. Doing apnea (static or dynamic) in the water without a buddy can result in drowning.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 16, 2016, 03:51:06 PM
Please only do this with a competent buddy. Doing apnea (static or dynamic) in the water without a buddy can result in drowning.
Dont worry. I dont allow myself to experience discomfort as Im well aware of the risks. 25m is well within my comfort zone.
Thanks for the warning though and please dont hesitate to do so again.
My ears are wide open.
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Post by: lonely moa on January 16, 2016, 05:26:25 PM
The coach hated this, but the team was in the waterwheel we did it  I was reasonably good at breast stroke; one didn't breathe for the first 25 metres in a race anyway.  It actually wasn't all that difficult.  Wim goes a lot farther in cold water.

Ben Greenfield has had a few interviews a about this lately.  He has been to one FD school and is off to another shortly. 

Not sure what the attraction is but it seems that William Trubridge (a kiwi) holds a few records.  Plenty of cold, deep water to practice in here.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 16, 2016, 05:32:34 PM
The urge to breathe comes from the build-up of CO2. Blackouts are caused by diminished O2. It is possible, especially if you hyperventilate before immersion, to reach blackout without feeling the overwhelming urge to breathe.

People who know much more about this than I do (the instructors of my classes) are really quite adamant that it's unsafe to do apnea in the water without a buddy, even when you feel you are within safe limits.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 16, 2016, 05:37:25 PM
... William Trubridge ...

He was my first freediving instructor. After the class with him, I took my next two classes from PFI. How many sports are there where a rank beginner can take a class from a world champion? Last I heard, his world record was 101 meters (331 feet) CNF. (Constant weight, no fins.)
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Post by: lonely moa on January 16, 2016, 05:46:26 PM
The urge to breathe comes from the build-up of CO2. Blackouts are caused by diminished O2. It is possible, especially if you hyperventilate before immersion, to reach blackout without feeling the overwhelming urge to breathe.

People who know much more about this than I do (the instructors of my classes) are really quite adamant that it's unsafe to do apnea in the water without a buddy, even when you feel you are within safe limits.

Dude, I was surrounded with competent buddies, and it was not a stretch to do it at the time.  It was easy, way less than a minute.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 16, 2016, 05:54:53 PM
Hmm. Well the advice of those coaches is cause for concern but realistically I never have a training partner available and Im not going to stop doing what Ive done for nigh on 10 years (on and off) at this point. Its an informed risk Im happy to take.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 16, 2016, 07:06:47 PM
The urge to breathe comes from the build-up of CO2. Blackouts are caused by diminished O2. It is possible, especially if you hyperventilate before immersion, to reach blackout without feeling the overwhelming urge to breathe.

People who know much more about this than I do (the instructors of my classes) are really quite adamant that it's unsafe to do apnea in the water without a buddy, even when you feel you are within safe limits.

Dude, I was surrounded with competent buddies, and it was not a stretch to do it at the time.  It was easy, way less than a minute.

That's all I'm saying: Do it in the presence of a competent buddy or buddies.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2016, 10:53:10 AM
Being the friendless weirdo I am, Im just gona have to keep going.
Its 20 seconds per length though, a risk Im more than willing to take.
Appreciate the info though.
Edit- went for a run yesterday, used my first mile as a warm up and then started the running app I use, the phone froze though and I wasted ages trying to make the fucking thing start. Then the podcast I was listening to was too low energy so I tried to switch to music and lost 2minutes out of my 5k.
So fucking angry. I couldnt swear enough at my phone and felt impotent at the lack of bad words I knew (I know them all).
I know its my fault for lack of prep but the device should respond wjen you press buttons. Shitty app design asking me to rate and offering stupid functions I dont need made me want to headbutt a dev.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 18, 2016, 12:12:46 PM
... So fucking angry. I couldnt swear enough at my phone and felt impotent at the lack of bad words I knew (I know them all).

Profanity is a lost art. All people can do nowadays is pronounce cuss words, and most people just use one or two of those. People need to read Shakespeare more. I wish I had the spontaneous creative wordcraft to cuss like Shakespeare's characters did, on the spur of the moment.

I feel your pain, though. It's so frustrating when defective gadgets interfere with execise!
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Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2016, 12:35:46 PM
... So fucking angry. I couldnt swear enough at my phone and felt impotent at the lack of bad words I knew (I know them all).

Profanity is a lost art. All people can do nowadays is pronounce cuss words, and most people just use one or two of those. People need to read Shakespeare more. I wish I had the spontaneous creative wordcraft to cuss like Shakespeare's characters did, on the spur of the moment.

I feel your pain, though. It's so frustrating when defective gadgets interfere with execise!
I duno. I strung them together quite imaginatively.
(click to show/hide)
Didnt quite cover it.
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Post by: Anders on January 18, 2016, 12:37:42 PM
... So fucking angry. I couldnt swear enough at my phone and felt impotent at the lack of bad words I knew (I know them all).

Profanity is a lost art. All people can do nowadays is pronounce cuss words, and most people just use one or two of those. People need to read Shakespeare more. I wish I had the spontaneous creative wordcraft to cuss like Shakespeare's characters did, on the spur of the moment.

Remember that Shakespeare didn't write those words on the spur of the moment.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2016, 12:56:36 PM
I think erudite and descriptive language misses the pure aggression I feel when I start swearing.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 18, 2016, 02:28:23 PM
... So fucking angry. I couldnt swear enough at my phone and felt impotent at the lack of bad words I knew (I know them all).

Profanity is a lost art. All people can do nowadays is pronounce cuss words, and most people just use one or two of those. People need to read Shakespeare more. I wish I had the spontaneous creative wordcraft to cuss like Shakespeare's characters did, on the spur of the moment.

Remember that Shakespeare didn't write those words on the spur of the moment.

Of course. But still, just stringing a few cuss words together gets tiresome after a while.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 19, 2016, 09:32:57 PM
Wanted a gentle jog so I decided to leave my watch at home and not use my running app so I wouldnt get freaked out by slow times. But then I thought that its bullshit to miss out on data just because I lack discipline so used the app.
First time Ive ever felt proud of a slow 5k.
Went to gymnastics after that and made some progress on some of my stuff but the parkour kids were there and were frankly unreal. Really impressive stuff.
Finished off the day with o2 tables while watching the finale of fargo season 2.
Not a bad day.
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Post by: lonely moa on January 19, 2016, 09:52:57 PM
Six hours, Husky in hand.  A hard day for an old guy... but there's a month of wood for the winter drying out.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 20, 2016, 11:28:57 AM
The lack of flexibility in my shoulders is baffling!
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Post by: Harry Black on January 23, 2016, 10:02:21 AM
Just knocked out the same score in a military fitness test that I got 10 years ago!
Smart training is definitely the way forward! I reckon being skeptical and chatting to folks here has added years to my fitness shelf life and therefore probably my lifespan!
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 24, 2016, 04:54:16 AM
figured out this little move today
https://youtu.be/GV2JVcXNT6E
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 24, 2016, 08:44:39 AM
^ Cool!
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 29, 2016, 03:07:35 AM
I finally cut together a good chunk of the footage I have of the group I train with,

there's still a lot of editing down and clip selection I'd like to do once I can replace some of this with footage of a handful more things I've seen there but not recorded, but it's nice to finally have a some semblance of a promo video for attracting like minds.

(CAUTION: backing track is Dubstep, starts out quiet but the 'drop' is loud ... but even if you hate that genre the video, IMO, is better appreciated if you hear the audio at least a little.)
https://www.facebook.com/tyler.mlcenlivy.davis/videos/10153285765662111/

first time I've done this before. I've done a lot of audio mixes, but never a video compilation.
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 29, 2016, 10:07:05 AM
^ Nice!
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Post by: kendranoelle on January 30, 2016, 04:24:56 PM
Goals for 2016:

To really knuckle down and try to improve my hip flexibility and my splits. My middle splits have actually improved quite a bit since I started pole and yoga this year, but my right/left splits are still atrocious. I have very tight and very weak hip flexors and tight quads/hammies.

I've been doing some reading about stretching/flexibility and how the usual "stretch for 60 seconds" is actually bad and it's dynamic stretching and PNF stretching that's better for flexibility, so that's been something to consider. I really wish I had more room at home.

Shoulder and upper back flexibility are also on the table. Uggghghghghgh.

And to get rid of that stomach fat, lawd. LET MY OBLIQUES SHOW, DAMMIT.
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 30, 2016, 06:38:16 PM
I've been doing some reading about stretching/flexibility and how the usual "stretch for 60 seconds" is actually bad and it's dynamic stretching and PNF stretching that's better for flexibility, so that's been something to consider.

I like to do a bit of everything.

best thing I've learned in the last year though is horse stance for middle splits. apparently it's a lot safer on the knees.

Shoulder and upper back flexibility are also on the table. Uggghghghghgh.

d'you use rings at all (skin the cats are good for shoulders) or do those bent over barbell stretches (I don't know what they're called, a hyperextension exercise for the shoulders...) looks like it would be good for warming up to this sort of move
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/88/aa/ff/88aaffe15b7f096e589c733b0138e0e4.jpg)
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 31, 2016, 12:03:47 PM
My exercise for the next little while will be paddling, and I'll likely be off line during that time. I've been preparing: crunches for core strength, pushups and bicep and tricep curls for upper-body strength, and of course cardio as always for endurance. If I'm really lucky, they might let me do the Molokini challenge: paddling there and back, 7 miles round trip, which must be completed in 3 to 4 hours because by late morning it gets too windy. They'll let me do it if they are confident I'm strong enough and have enough endurance, and if there's a day when the wind forecast is moderate.
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Post by: Harry Black on January 31, 2016, 12:18:31 PM
Having multiple issues with my right thumb, wrist and shoulder due to a combination of old and new injuries from training and accidents.
Even swimming causes sharp pain in my wrist tendons so I think Im going to just stick to running only for a few weeks.
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Post by: GodSlayer on January 31, 2016, 12:22:33 PM
I've been practicing my video editing (never really worked with anything but audio before) in the past few days ... my 32Bit Windows dual core computer isn't happy about it, but I've yet to have it actually crash on me, just the odd sync and buffering frustrations (and how the hell did humans ever do this sort of thing before big ass flat-screens? I'd love to be doing this on a 40" TV, 23" is a bit cramped!). d'we have any video experts/hobbyists on the forum?

here's a vid I cut together tonight of one of our regular crew at Sunday's training sessions doing a bit of kapa haka for his warm-up
https://youtu.be/X4RRxnJyx9I

hopefully by next week I'll have the compilation of the whole group finished (already shared a draft cut with them and everyone was psyched about it)
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Post by: daniel1948 on January 31, 2016, 02:01:47 PM
They used to do it on photographic film, physically cutting and splicing sections of film.
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Post by: lonely moa on February 04, 2016, 04:14:12 PM
Just back from lifting heavy things.  My copy of Sisson's  (and Kearns) "Primal Endurance"l has arrived.  At a glance, they mention not to forget the great success of the old masters, Lydiard land Maffetone; keep one's heart rate below 180 - one's age. 

Seems that the great Kiwi miler's, Peter Snell (one of Lydiard's athletes), 1500m time would qualify him for the olympics today, 55 years later.  His NZ 800m record still stands. 

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Post by: GodSlayer on February 06, 2016, 02:33:23 AM
so, I FINALLY finished my little project for the crew I train with :)

I feel the need to share it with everyone
https://youtu.be/dUnF2RDO6Do
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Post by: Harry Black on February 06, 2016, 06:17:40 AM
so, I FINALLY finished my little project for the crew I train with :)

I feel the need to share it with everyone
https://youtu.be/dUnF2RDO6Do
Humans are awesome
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on February 06, 2016, 07:02:06 AM
Nice, dude!  It's looks like a ninja training camp.
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 07, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
Nice, dude!  It's looks like a ninja training camp.

yea, hopefully as it grows we'll get some more climbing and acro style gear in there.

the guy doing the staff work in the video has inspired me to learn a bit of that (which is two-fold wonderful for me: I never know what do with my hands when I'm dancing, and this solves that problem, and the finger work works the extensors nicely, which tend to be neglected in my training). going to check out the local fire-dancing group this Friday.
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 07, 2016, 03:19:30 PM
so, I FINALLY finished my little project for the crew I train with :)

I feel the need to share it with everyone
https://youtu.be/dUnF2RDO6Do
Humans are awesome

: Kiwi edition :D
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Post by: David "Stubb" Oswald on February 08, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
As I mentioned in another topic, I am a little limited in time, money, and environment to work out. After some online research I bought a sandbag trainer as it looks like the cheapest and one of the best weighs to add some resistance to my daily workouts.

If you have not heard of this before the basic premise is you take some bags and fill them with sand or gravel. The gravel or sand filled bags can be put into a larger bag, which allows you to adjust the weight anywhere from 10 to 100 kgs. You can then do squats, deadlifts, lunges, cleans, swings, shoulder press, getups, etc.. The advantage of using a sandbag system is that it is super cheap, and the center of gravity of the bag shifts as you lift it up. Traditional barbell or dumbbell lifts are more difficult and you have to use your core more often because of the shifting weight. I am excited to get into it.

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Post by: Harry Black on February 08, 2016, 03:33:09 PM
Id say it gets oversold when compared to barbells which I think are better for chasing specific results and avoiding injury but I agree 100% that sandbag training is awesome and really can do just about everything most people need!
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Post by: AQB24712 on February 08, 2016, 04:09:30 PM
so, I FINALLY finished my little project for the crew I train with :)

Daaaamn.  :worship:
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 08, 2016, 11:57:04 PM
so, I FINALLY finished my little project for the crew I train with :)

Daaaamn.  :worship:

yea, pretty neat bunch of people, eh.

anyone with an artistic side/background/whatever I really do welcome critique from. I'm only just learning and using a terrible camera right now (we're looking at getting a go-pro). I had never even heard the term 'full frame camera' until yesterday :P
I hope to make more videos, and since they won't always be so frantic, the more stylistic visions I have to work with the better I can make them, and the more aware I am of the art of good photography the better footage I can get. I guess it's O/T though ,should I make a thread for this? I know we have people in these kinda fields on the forum
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Post by: AQB24712 on February 10, 2016, 09:24:44 AM
so, I FINALLY finished my little project for the crew I train with :)

Daaaamn.  :worship:

yea, pretty neat bunch of people, eh.

Mm-hmm.

anyone with an artistic side/background/whatever I really do welcome critique from. I'm only just learning and using a terrible camera right now (we're looking at getting a go-pro). I had never even heard the term 'full frame camera' until yesterday :P
I hope to make more videos, and since they won't always be so frantic, the more stylistic visions I have to work with the better I can make them, and the more aware I am of the art of good photography the better footage I can get. I guess it's O/T though ,should I make a thread for this? I know we have people in these kinda fields on the forum

Not a bad idea.  Hie thee over yonder to Member Creations, sir.
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 10, 2016, 12:52:26 PM
Not a bad idea.  Hie thee over yonder to Member Creations, sir.

thy will be done
http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,46154.0.html
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on February 11, 2016, 06:13:22 PM
Theres a reason they call them burpees.
That is all.
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 11, 2016, 06:52:02 PM
"Strength athletes don't do high phyched max efforts on a regular basis"

I can't even begin to guess what he is meaning to say
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Post by: Harry Black on February 13, 2016, 06:57:36 PM
I forgot the simple joy of setting an ambitious target and feeling half way through that you cant finish it but pushing through and feeling a bit left in the tank after.
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 19, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
anyone have thoughts on this?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12728952_997009323706844_2607261826131648633_n.jpg?oh=462e21722bae4d2f5f9f58130ccb079f&oe=57711C4E&__gda__=1466248725_df671a719195baae53301f7a1db82f1c)
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Post by: Harry Black on February 19, 2016, 11:21:47 PM
Isnt chocolate a sugary food?
Also the checklist for sugary foods doesnt seem helpful as thats a lot of things it could be.
All in all though if you crave something you would rather not eat for some reason and something else sates you, then thats good I suppose?
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Post by: GodSlayer on February 20, 2016, 12:15:29 AM
Isnt chocolate a sugary food?
Also the checklist for sugary foods doesnt seem helpful as thats a lot of things it could be.
All in all though if you crave something you would rather not eat for some reason and something else sates you, then thats good I suppose?

but is it sciencey?
do food preferences correlate with nutritional needs?
I know that's supposedly a thing in pregnancy, but am I supposed to crave leafy greens when I finally need its respective micronutrients? :P
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Post by: lonely moa on February 20, 2016, 12:43:29 PM
My favourite chocolate isn't sugary. 

The right column is a good way to eat, but I would add fermented food and organ meat.  But I have just opened the first pickled cucumbers of the season, yum.
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Post by: lonely moa on February 25, 2016, 01:15:13 PM
I had a visit to my GP.  She reckoned my heart murmur was now hardly detectable.  A good thing.   I was reminded of my PVC's, though, and given a little container to collect some poo for screening.  I'll drop it of this morning.

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Post by: daniel1948 on February 25, 2016, 08:46:43 PM
My exercise for the past three weeks has been paddling. Mostly a kayak. A couple of times an outrigger canoe. So much fun!!! Then you get to sit there out in the middle of the ocean and watch a momma humpback whale with her baby. And then paddle some more. I really didn't want to come home.

Amazing video in post 677!

While I have no direct knowledge on the subject, I do not for an instant believe the Food Cravings chart. I don't believe that food cravings are caused by nutrient shortages. We crave high-calorie foods because we evolved in an environment where calories were in short supply and people often went long periods without food. Also, the modern balanced diet has plenty of all those nutrients. We struggle against the disconnect created by the fact that we evolved in a near-starvation environment but we now have too much of everything. There are no simple answers. We have to exercise portion control. There's nothing wrong with eating a little bit of chocolate. Eating a pound of chocolate at a sitting is unhealthy.
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Post by: daniel1948 on February 29, 2016, 06:03:07 PM
It's hard to resume cardio after a break. Even though paddling is cardio, it uses different muscles. Today I jogged for 25 minutes before I had to stop and walk for 5 minutes because my pulse was going too high. Then I jogged for another 8 minutes before my pulse was too high again, so I called it quits for the day. I had run about 2 1/2 miles. Half a mile short of my target. This is typical. I expect to be back to 3 miles without a stop within a couple of weeks.

Because of my relatively poor upper-body strength, I never paddled more than 20 minutes without a break. Ten minutes was more common. Then stop and dangle my hands and feet in the water for a few minutes. So it will take me a while to build back up to 38 minutes of solid, high-level cardio. (High level for me, that is. Some of you guys could walk as fast as I run.)

Actually, I never got out of breath paddling, even when I was breaking my back to get to where a whale had spouted. I had to stop to give my arms and shoulders a rest and soak my hands which got sore from gripping the paddle. Salt water is soothing.
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Post by: kendranoelle on March 01, 2016, 02:24:07 PM
Joined reddit. Ugh I know...

But I found the r/poledancing and needed some tips on building some more strength outside pole since I don't have a pole at home to use for conditioning and strength building (not wasting open pole on conditioning- open pole is for choreographing thx). Got pointed to Antranik's bodyline drills and his splits drills and a few other bodyweight fitness things I can do at home to work on building more arm/shoulder/core strength.

Unfortunately there are a few things I can't do for now due to lack of parallel bars and pull up bars (no we can't even put up ones in the door frames... our house is too old and the frames are kinda crap- I'll probably look for a standalone at some point). But yeah- learning to work on handstands will be good because the way we do them in pole (kick up handstands) are something I just for the fucking life of me cannot do and the way I saw on reddit to do it (starting with a 45 degree handstand) is nice.

So yeah, this should be fun, gonna add this to the nights I don't have any pole or yoga (or even do it after I get back from one or the other). I may have to cut down on the number of classes I go to- gotta start saving money for my big ass tattoo this fall- it's getting spendy to go between 2 studios and buying all those 10 packs and shit but I like the splits and flex classes offered at the other studio so idk. We'll see.
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Post by: Harry Black on March 01, 2016, 03:05:31 PM
I just made some parallettes from pvc pipe and some elbow/T-Joints. It cost feck all for the pipe and took 15min to make. They are the same type the local gymnastics club uses.
Maybe that could help?
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 02, 2016, 10:07:51 AM
Joined reddit. Ugh I know...

But I found the r/poledancing and needed some tips on building some more strength outside pole since I don't have a pole at home to use for conditioning and strength building (not wasting open pole on conditioning- open pole is for choreographing thx). Got pointed to Antranik's bodyline drills and his splits drills and a few other bodyweight fitness things I can do at home to work on building more arm/shoulder/core strength.

ha! random.
I use that forum, too :) (the bodyweight one Antranik's on, not the pole one)

you say 'ugh', but I've yet to see anything on reddit as bad as what I've seen on facebook, or even on SGUF.
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Post by: Harry Black on March 02, 2016, 10:30:15 AM
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/9429480445198312/
Heres some other ideas Kendra. Hopefully something will suit your needs!
The self supporting door frame pull up bar is what I use. Doesnt need to be screwed in or anything, use some cardboard to stop it from scuffing the paint or denting wood.
The only problem is that it doesnt work with doors that have those little windows at the top.
I used to have one in my bag for using in hotels and on ships.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 02, 2016, 10:43:15 AM
The self supporting door frame pull up bar is what I use. Doesnt need to be screwed in or anything, use some cardboard to stop it from scuffing the paint or denting wood.

also a good idea to tape up the foam. I had one of mine split (then it's just metal on frame) before I taped both up, now there's no chance of that happening.
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Post by: Harry Black on March 04, 2016, 12:53:34 PM
Had a nice jog yesterday and a nice swim later.
Ive got my 25m underwater down to 8 strokes and Im not feeling at all winded after. Being able to track progress is one of the few things I like about exercise!
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 06, 2016, 04:44:08 AM
lately, needing to take it easy on my right wrist, I've been having fun with meat hooks and related spinning I picked up from a pole instructor.

couple nights ago me and a climber mate were working on these, and today I realized this entry style means I don't even clang the other rings when I train at my usual spot, which makes it look extra cool :)

https://youtu.be/N-4BlCzkKaQ
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Post by: daniel1948 on March 06, 2016, 10:04:29 AM
Impressive movements. Could you post it in natural time?
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Post by: kendranoelle on March 06, 2016, 02:45:15 PM
Well daaaaamn GodSlayer. Dem meathooks. Have you tried deadlifting into them instead of jumping? Also A+ on the pointed toes! :D

I poled for like... 2+ hours today. Did a nice open pole session where I worked on some combos for my new solo and then practiced a few more things during another class where the instructor gave me a really neat dismount out of a superman using an inverted thigh hold to a shoulder dismount. I'll need to work to smooth it out and make it kinda fast because I need it to be a quick dismount in order to get where I need to be but it's nice because it's really crumpled and works well with the lyrics at that point.

I'll be going to a flexibility class tonight then a floorwork workshop tonight as well as my floorwork ability blows. So it's a really full day. Beastmode continues.
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Post by: xenu on March 06, 2016, 08:26:22 PM
Got a 365lb dead lift last week. Looking for a 405lb by the end of the year.
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 06, 2016, 09:20:26 PM
Well daaaaamn GodSlayer. Dem meathooks. Have you tried deadlifting into them instead of jumping?

yea, no chance of that. I've even challenged the best* of the guys I train with to try it, and even they can't do it.

*Actually, the only two guys who can do reverse meathook might be able to.

Also A+ on the pointed toes! :D

lol, I'm finally getting familiar enough with the movement to keep my legs from crossing and knees from bending and toes from being too lazy and head from looking up too much, all the things that don't look great on camera :)

though they're not as pointy as they should be, like in my recent forearm stand
(click to show/hide)

I poled for like... 2+ hours today. Did a nice open pole session where I worked on some combos for my new solo and then practiced a few more things during another class where the instructor gave me a really neat dismount out of a superman using an inverted thigh hold to a shoulder dismount. I'll need to work to smooth it out and make it kinda fast because I need it to be a quick dismount in order to get where I need to be but it's nice because it's really crumpled and works well with the lyrics at that point.

did you record the combo you mentioned in your thread the other day?
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Post by: kendranoelle on March 06, 2016, 10:44:04 PM
Well daaaaamn GodSlayer. Dem meathooks. Have you tried deadlifting into them instead of jumping?

yea, no chance of that. I've even challenged the best* of the guys I train with to try it, and even they can't do it.

*Actually, the only two guys who can do reverse meathook might be able to.

Also A+ on the pointed toes! :D

lol, I'm finally getting familiar enough with the movement to keep my legs from crossing and knees from bending and toes from being too lazy and head from looking up too much, all the things that don't look great on camera :)

though they're not as pointy as they should be, like in my recent forearm stand
(click to show/hide)

Yaaaaaaasssss so pointy! GET IT.I poled for like... 2+ hours today. Did a nice open pole session where I worked on some combos for my new solo and then practiced a few more things during another class where the instructor gave me a really neat dismount out of a superman using an inverted thigh hold to a shoulder dismount. I'll need to work to smooth it out and make it kinda fast because I need it to be a quick dismount in order to get where I need to be but it's nice because it's really crumpled and works well with the lyrics at that point.

did you record the combo you mentioned in your thread the other day?
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Yup, I did. It's in the pole thread.

DEM POINTED TOES. GET IT.

It must be a method of getting up on the rings and the meathook hold that doesn't allow for deadlifting. I don't think a lot of people deadlift it on the pole either, unless they get into it from a different hold. I'm pretty sure nobody just deadlifts it from the floor. I was just curious.
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 06, 2016, 10:46:13 PM
It must be a method of getting up on the rings and the meathook hold that doesn't allow for deadlifting. I don't think a lot of people deadlift it on the pole either, unless they get into it from a different hold. I'm pretty sure nobody just deadlifts it from the floor. I was just curious.

I'm sure Russians do, given that they can deadlift to the __reverse meathook__ (an advanced level move, whereas normal meathook is novice). in gimbarr that one is called the 'yoyo estatico'

but getting your jump on does contribute momentum that might be desirable for pole/artistic stuff, whereas a slow pull is more just a show of strength.
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 08, 2016, 07:44:23 AM
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1850884998/enflux-smart-clothing-3d-workout-tracking-and-form

kinda cool concept for data nerds out there.
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 08, 2016, 11:46:50 AM
I'm the one on the bottom, obviously.

(click to show/hide)

also had pizza and caught up with an old work mate later that day to offer some gymming tips and do some proper benching.

all and all a good day.
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Post by: Harry Black on March 08, 2016, 07:41:36 PM
All my swimming is paying off. Im close to my two goals in the pool and a gentle 5k jog today got done in a time that would have been ball busting a few weeks ago.
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Post by: daniel1948 on March 08, 2016, 09:27:13 PM
I am so envious of all the things you young whippersnappers can do!
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Post by: Friendly Angel on March 10, 2016, 12:05:59 PM
Data!  Makes me want to work harder.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L7L2_ANlQMA/VuGo5qs0LxI/AAAAAAAABPM/AorfuGYWfwo/w800-h393-no/stomp1.jpg)
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 13, 2016, 07:46:04 AM
is this done commonly? should it be done?

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valsalva_maneuver#Strength_training
The Valsalva maneuver is commonly believed to be the optimal breathing pattern for producing maximal force and is frequently used in powerlifting to stabilize the trunk during exercises such as the Squat, Deadlift, and Bench Press, and in both lifts of Olympic weightlifting.[9]

Quote from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2883611
The VM, unfortunately, imposes negative hemodynamic effects on the cardiovascular system, e.g., increased blood pressure, increased heart rate, and risk of cerebral hemorrhage (7, 11, 16–19, 22). Therefore, the VM is not recommended for strength training purposes (6), particularly in people with high systemic blood pressure (18).
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Post by: daniel1948 on March 13, 2016, 09:17:54 AM
The Wikipedia quote above says it's "commonly believed" to be a good idea. The NIH quote says it's a bad idea. So the two quotes are not contradictory. I know nothing about the subject and I'm not a power lifter. But I've always read and been told to exhale on the exertion.

Scuba divers are taught the Valsalva because it's easier to explain and teach. But it's a poor choice, and useless for freediving. Freedivers are taught the Frenzel instead, unless they are able to equalize hands-free, which few people are. If you can equalize hands-free while diving, you are one of the lucky few.

So I would avoid the Valsalva, based on the NIH recommendation. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who struggles to do ten reps of bicep curls with 15 pounds in each hand. I do try to engage my core when I do weights.
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 13, 2016, 10:02:54 AM
If you can equalize hands-free while diving, you are one of the lucky few.

So I would avoid the Valsalva, based on the NIH recommendation.

eh. hands-free I can hear my ears click a bit, but it's not that loud ear-drum pressure kind that holding the nose does.

I just wonder if at the olympic level they do something like the VM, as though it's tried and true, or they're still waiting on replication before bothering about one study. or if wiki is even less on point than that.

personally I can't quite see the value in it, I can imitate that core response with a brief exhalation and then breath normally, so VMing seems superfluous.
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Post by: daniel1948 on March 13, 2016, 03:06:41 PM
Most of us can get some ear equalization hands free. Swallowing or moving your jaw around sometimes is sufficient on an airplane, for example. (Note that when moving from high pressure to low pressure, which is to say ascending from a dive or climbing in an airplane or driving up a mountain, everyone's ears will equalize on their own if they don't have a medical condition such as blocked sinuses. It's when moving from low pressure to high pressure, as when the plane comes down, or descending on a dive, that the ears usually need some help. Air flows much more easily out the Eustachian tubes from the ears, than into the ears. And for that, the Frenzel works much better than the Valsalva, and is safer. The Frenzel is really quite easy to do, but extremely difficult to describe, and somewhat more difficult to teach than the Valsalva, but essentially involves creating pressure inside the mouth, rather than inside the chest. You have to close off the throat and the nose and then make pressure in the mouth.

Totally off topic: The hardest part, when freediving, is getting air from the lungs into the mouth, since your air supply is so limited. When scuba diving, of course, that's not an issue because you have a tank of air on your back. The Valsalva simply does not work below about 15 feet, or 20 at most, when freediving.

Considering that people are people, I'm going to guess that at the highest levels of competition, athletes do what their own experience tells them works best, with little regard to the health consequences, or to the unreliability of personal experience. I suspect that rabbit's feet, "lucky" socks, etc., are common among professional athletes and Olympians. Would you take a 25% chance of death if you believed it would give you a 5% chance of making the difference between a silver medal or a gold medal in the Olympics? I'll bet most Olympians would answer Yes. I would answer No. I love mountains but I will not attempt to climb a mountain if I think the chance of dying in the attempt is greater than the chance of dying during my normal routine at home. If the most gorgeous woman I've ever met offered to have sex with me, I still would not agree to join an Everest expedition as anything other than a stay-at-home coordinator.

I'd say the NIH recommendation is pretty clear: avoid the VM during lifting.
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Post by: Harry Black on March 13, 2016, 04:26:56 PM
I was musing the other day whether or not this technique could be behind the weird bulbous tummys with six pack abs on top that many serious competitive body builders seem to have?
I understand lots of people who squat and deadlift very heavy weights see it as essential to hold tension and push the abdominals out when straining? I tend to hold flat tension myself because the other doesnt feel comfortable.
Some people speculate its a hormonal problem caused by steroids, but Im a bit dubious of that due to a few friends who definitely dont do steroids but have this feature. Fully acknowledge that this could be just sample bias though.

If anyone knows of any solid ideas Id be very interested.
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 13, 2016, 07:59:14 PM
I was musing the other day whether or not this technique could be behind the weird bulbous tummys with six pack abs on top that many serious competitive body builders seem to have?

I thought that was just steroids (organ growth or whatever)

doesn't bodybuilding typically not have the same restrictions on drug use that powerlifting has?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 13, 2016, 08:35:56 PM
I was musing the other day whether or not this technique could be behind the weird bulbous tummys with six pack abs on top that many serious competitive body builders seem to have?

I thought that was just steroids (organ growth or whatever)

doesn't bodybuilding typically not have the same restrictions on drug use that powerlifting has?
Yeah, that does seem to be the prevailing theory. Im just curious what could have caused it in the couple of friends I have, who have never taken steroids and dont compete in either sport, despite a strong background of squats and deadlifts.
I havent seen any evidence in either case so it will be interesting if anyone has a proper answer.
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Post by: GodSlayer on March 13, 2016, 08:43:03 PM
Im just curious what could have caused it in the couple of friends I have, who have never taken steroids and dont compete in either sport, despite a strong background of squats and deadlifts.

bad posture? or even when they're tensing everything up and aligning all their bones right it still bulges out?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on March 13, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
I thought it was because ab muscles don't atrophy when you stop trying to build them up. So they just get looser? I am not really sure.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: SkeptiQueer on March 14, 2016, 04:12:00 AM
I was musing the other day whether or not this technique could be behind the weird bulbous tummys with six pack abs on top that many serious competitive body builders seem to have?
I understand lots of people who squat and deadlift very heavy weights see it as essential to hold tension and push the abdominals out when straining? I tend to hold flat tension myself because the other doesnt feel comfortable.
Some people speculate its a hormonal problem caused by steroids, but Im a bit dubious of that due to a few friends who definitely dont do steroids but have this feature. Fully acknowledge that this could be just sample bias though.

If anyone knows of any solid ideas Id be very interested.
If you get a lifting belt, squats and dead become and lot easier. I don't know the science of it, but with and belt I can add 20kg to my squat and 40kg to my deadlift. I think your abdominal muscles take some of the strain away from your lower back. I have a problem with something putting strain on my tailbone when squatting big.

I've been using a Smith machine for the Big Four, but I think I might switch it up. Squats aren't quite right, and deadlift ROM feels wrong. I think I might replace the squats with a leg press since I use a high-resistance elliptical already, and maybe look at using some resistance machines to replace deadlifts until I can find a gym partner that can spot me on a squat.

I've been running clean mostly, no brotein or facemelty supplements. I sorta miss the preworkout energy/pump supplements though.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on March 14, 2016, 06:28:19 PM
I know my squats are better with knee wraps. I think it is a stability thing.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on March 15, 2016, 10:05:27 AM
The last few days my heart rate has spiked just as I begin my cardio. After a few minutes it comes back down and I feel okay for the rest of the workout, with the rate only a little higher than I'd expect, and that could be due to the expected loss of fitness during the 3 weeks I was away and not getting as much cardio. So I've decided to switch from my morning drink of decaf with a small amount of regular, which gives me just a little bit of caffeine, to Teeccino, an herbal drink that tastes nothing at all like coffee, but is one of the better coffee-colored hot drinks and has no caffeine at all. I get premature atrial contractions, which my cardiologist says are of no concern even though they are very uncomfortable, and occasional brief bouts of tachycardia, which my cardiologist is not concerned about yet, and I see him for regular check-ups. Caffeine could well be a trigger. I've tolerated a small amount of it for the last few years, but maybe that's changing.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on March 15, 2016, 01:58:19 PM
I have come to grips with my morning resting HR has risen from the mid forties to sixty.  Still less than my age.  I haven't tried a test of my my max HR in a few years, but I have noted it doesn't want to go past my theoretical max (163) anymore.

I think I need to get a heart rate monitor to work aerobically (Lydiard/Maffetone) so I can keep playing.  I need to keep myself from drifting above about 120 BPM during cycling and running.  Using my fingers and counting is a bit distracting.  The last Polar struggled with arrhythmia.



Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on March 15, 2016, 05:01:04 PM
When I was in my 40's my resting heart rate in the morning was sometimes as low as 48. Now, 20 years later, in my 60's, it tends to be around 60, plus or minus a couple.

I have found that when I'm in my peak condition any given workout will not get my HR as high as the same workout does after a vacation when I have not done vigorous cardio for a while (my vacations tend to be many more hours of much easier exercise.)

My new Polar HR monitor seems to work very well.

When I've had maximal treadmill stress tests, my maximum HR has generally been consistently 2 bpm slower than my theoretical maximum. (220 minus my age.)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on March 15, 2016, 05:04:23 PM
I like my HRM. Well worth getting one.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on March 15, 2016, 05:26:20 PM
Ummm, this is not new.

Quote
Maximum heart rate for age is an elusive number. The usual equation is 220 – age = maximum heart rate (MHR), but that does not play out well when you look at individuals as many can tolerate higher heart rates and others cannot attain the formula driven number. This formula was empirically derived from young athletes. A study by Tanaka in 2001 looking at a broader age distribution showed that this formula often underestimated the MHR in older subjects and a revised formula fitted to the data resulted in this formula: MHR = 208 – 0.7(age). Another look at this by Gellish in 2007 showed good correlation to stress testing results using MHR = 207 – 0.7(age) with a p value of <0.001.

Actually, when I was swimming competitively as a teen, we would all record heart rates above 220.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on March 15, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
Ummm, this is not new.


I have literally never seen that 220-age formula written anywhere that didn't also say the formula was bunk.

I've had my MHR tested at the gym - that was bunk too.

I've seen my actual heart rate on my monitor when it felt like my heart was about ready to pound out of my chest - that was probably my true MHR... that was years ago though... probably lower now.

Now I figure a hard sprint after an hour of interval training puts me at about 95% of my MHR.  That's close enough for anything I want to use the number for.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on March 16, 2016, 03:16:39 PM
Just one full day, yesterday, without caffeine, and today my pulse during exercise was just what I'd expect for the intensity of the workout. I'm happy about that. I can do without caffeine, and while Teeccino is not coffee and doesn't taste like coffee, it's not bad at all as a hot drink. One day proves nothing, but it is encouraging.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on March 16, 2016, 04:04:47 PM
Does anyone know if "heart rate variability" means anything. There is an app out there and iron radio had a guest on talking about it. I think it was used for recovery and over training indicator.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on March 16, 2016, 04:25:36 PM
Tonight I will be putting instant sweet iced tea into my water bottle instead of my usual Cytomax.  I anticipate no difference in performance.


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Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on March 16, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
Does anyone know if "heart rate variability" means anything. There is an app out there and iron radio had a guest on talking about it. I think it was used for recovery and over training indicator.

I had a friend who spent a fair amount of time and money to be trained to use a machine which claimed to assess your fitness on the basis of a notion that the less stable your heart rate, the healthier you are. The machine also used biofeedback to train you to make your heart rate less stable.

This friend, among other things, believed that all doctors are in a great conspiracy to make us unhealthy by pushing pills on us, that chiropractors can cure everything by manipulating your spine, and that if enough people wish for something it will become so. Therefore I am inclined to think that heart-rate variability as a measure of good health is total bunk. I base this opinion solely on the fact that my friend was such a proponent of everything woo, and such an opponent of science.

Tonight I will be putting instant sweet iced tea into my water bottle instead of my usual Cytomax.  I anticipate no difference in performance.

It is my uneducated opinion that the only reason to put anything in your water is if it makes it taste better. I find that I can drink more water when I like the taste. Most cities have foul-tasting water. Most of the mountain hiking lodges I have been to take their water straight off the mountain and it tastes wonderful; no flavoring needed. On the assumption that you like sweet iced tea (otherwise you wouldn't be planning on using it) I predict that you will be right: no difference in performance. I hate tea.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on March 16, 2016, 04:56:57 PM
When I play hockey in the summer I put ice tea in my water bottle. It is awesome. It has to be unsweetened solar tea.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on March 16, 2016, 05:11:18 PM
It is my uneducated opinion that the only reason to put anything in your water is if it makes it taste better.

Taste is the main reason, agreed.

Cytomax is supposed to even out your blood sugar so you don't rush and then bonk... I don't know if I notice such a thing or not.

The electrolyte drinks really do help me with cramps though - and I get them BAD sometimes.  Especially rolling terrain with lots of changes in cadence and power... never get them on long extended climbs.

And the endurance drinks do help on REALLY long events when you don't want to be eating.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on March 16, 2016, 10:44:24 PM
When I have back to back hockey games I use Pedialite. It really works well for me.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on March 17, 2016, 01:34:07 AM
Does anyone know if "heart rate variability" means anything. There is an app out there and iron radio had a guest on talking about it. I think it was used for recovery and over training indicator.

I think there are lots of apps and lots of elite athletes using it, for what thats worth.  I think if one is a serious athlete, HV is probably an edge for training.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on March 17, 2016, 08:43:02 AM
Does anyone know if "heart rate variability" means anything. There is an app out there and iron radio had a guest on talking about it. I think it was used for recovery and over training indicator.

I think there are lots of apps and lots of elite athletes using it, for what thats worth.  I think if one is a serious athlete, HV is probably an edge for training.

There are also apparently lots of athletes who wear those rubber wrist bands with the magical "hologram" printed on them. And lots of athletes who have a special "lucky" piece of clothing or routine. I don't know whether heart-rate variability has any significance, and if it does, I don't know whether it signifies what its proponents claim or the exact opposite. But I put absolutely zero meaning in its use by "lots" of athletes, unless there is evidence behind it.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on March 17, 2016, 03:45:03 PM
Does anyone know if "heart rate variability" means anything. There is an app out there and iron radio had a guest on talking about it. I think it was used for recovery and over training indicator.

I think there are lots of apps and lots of elite athletes using it, for what thats worth.  I think if one is a serious athlete, HV is probably an edge for training.

There are also apparently lots of athletes who wear those rubber wrist bands with the magical "hologram" printed on them. And lots of athletes who have a special "lucky" piece of clothing or routine. I don't know whether heart-rate variability has any significance, and if it does, I don't know whether it signifies what its proponents claim or the exact opposite. But I put absolutely zero meaning in its use by "lots" of athletes, unless there is evidence behind it.

I have tried to google it and haven't found much useful info. I would love to hear Dr. Novella  :steve: do a segment on the podcast.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on March 17, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
Does anyone know if "heart rate variability" means anything. There is an app out there and iron radio had a guest on talking about it. I think it was used for recovery and over training indicator.

I think there are lots of apps and lots of elite athletes using it, for what thats worth.  I think if one is a serious athlete, HV is probably an edge for training.

There are also apparently lots of athletes who wear those rubber wrist bands with the magical "hologram" printed on them. And lots of athletes who have a special "lucky" piece of clothing or routine. I don't know whether heart-rate variability has any significance, and if it does, I don't know whether it signifies what its proponents claim or the exact opposite. But I put absolutely zero meaning in its use by "lots" of athletes, unless there is evidence behind it.

I have tried to google it and haven't found much useful info. I would love to hear Dr. Novella  :steve: do a segment on the podcast.

Send him (or the podcast) an email. It would surprise me if any of them have time to read everything we post here. I once sent in a question and Steve replied to me.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 17, 2016, 06:15:58 PM
There are also apparently lots of athletes who wear those rubber wrist bands with the magical "hologram" printed on them.

the only local one I know of, the guy was paid to wear it, promoting the brand, not necessarily believing it was magical help, the same way Woods would wear Nike...as long as it doesn't impede your performance, why not?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on March 17, 2016, 06:47:32 PM
Does anyone know if "heart rate variability" means anything. There is an app out there and iron radio had a guest on talking about it. I think it was used for recovery and over training indicator.

Just google 'heart rate variability study' and you will see more journal articles than you'd want to read, like this one:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/11/2850.short

It isn't a gimmick.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 18, 2016, 09:12:57 AM
There are also apparently lots of athletes who wear those rubber wrist bands with the magical "hologram" printed on them.

the only local one I know of, the guy was paid to wear it, promoting the brand, not necessarily believing it was magical help, the same way Woods would wear Nike...as long as it doesn't impede your performance, why not?
This was quite a big thing a few years ago and lots of famous pro athletes were promoting them, so the reasons its bad are:
Promotes magical thinking which can lead to unexpected, dangerous extrapolations.

Harms public understanding of science which knocks on to policy and possible bad outcomes for the environment and health.

But the biggest reason- Scams consumers who want to improve performance but could get better bang for their buck than $50 on a rubber band.

The equivelant I saw at the last olympics was that stupid tape all the athletes had on their muscles. Completely rubbish mechanism of action. One wonders if there is a little extra performance to be wrung out of those athletes if their coaches have so little understanding of science. If they promote one useless piece of BS, what else are they having the athlete do thats a waste?  What could they be doing that the coaches are ignoring?
My experience of high performers is that very few of them understand why they are high performers and so they tend to be the worst people to ask for advice.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on March 18, 2016, 10:32:14 AM
Does anyone know if "heart rate variability" means anything. There is an app out there and iron radio had a guest on talking about it. I think it was used for recovery and over training indicator.

Just google 'heart rate variability study' and you will see more journal articles than you'd want to read, like this one:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/94/11/2850.short

It isn't a gimmick.

Thanks
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on March 18, 2016, 03:01:33 PM
I find that when Im lacking motivation, its fun to google the entry requirements for various military, police or fire departments. They are usually a quick session where I get to give 100% and figure out where Im at.
Edit- The USMC test is very well worked out and they have a really good scoring system. Its probably the best one Ive seen to be honest.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on March 19, 2016, 01:30:32 PM
Four full days without caffeine, and this morning I ran three miles without stopping, plus half a minute for good measure. And my pulse stayed right where I like it, reaching the top of my aerobic target zone at the end without going over. First time since returning from my latest trip that I've managed the full 3 miles without stopping.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on March 19, 2016, 11:01:05 PM
I had a nice hour hill run with the dogs.  They were so disappointed when mum rode her bike away without them; I had to stop digging spuds and take them for a spin.

Powered by caffeine and fat.  Nice to run or before breakfast at noon.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on March 25, 2016, 09:04:58 AM
few [terrible old cellphone quality] shots from my regular Friday 'thing' for the past couple months. I was sick of not having any pics, even though I know my phone isn't up to the task
(click to show/hide)

and video (I started learning just over 2 months ago)
https://youtu.be/iDImMvPWZ2w
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 02, 2016, 09:57:24 AM
Cool pics.

The video is listed as private, so it doesn't play.

QUESTION: I've been told (or read) that you shouldn't do resistance work on the same muscle group two days in a row. The muscles need time to recover. But I think that some people do pushups and crunches daily. Is this a bad idea, or are these exercises just not intense enough for it to be an issue?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 02, 2016, 10:14:14 AM
My understanding is that they may get more benefit from focusing on one muscle group more intensely for one day than casually hitting them for multiple days in a row?
I guess it would depend on the goal though. I doubt someone doing the same exercises daily is getting as much benefit as they potentially could, but if the goal is just to be active and doing something they dont hate, with a strong routine, then its probably fine?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 02, 2016, 11:13:27 AM
I'm really asking for myself: Should I be doing the crunches and pushups every day, or only alternate days?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 02, 2016, 11:32:12 AM
I'm really asking for myself: Should I be doing the crunches and pushups every day, or only alternate days?
It really depends on the intensity (ie- how it feels to you).
Maybe try upping the intensity a little and seeing how you feel the next day? If you are still able to work the same muscles the next day it seems like you might be leaving a little in the tank?
Age is a factor too though, higher intensity=higher risk of injury and recovery times will be different.
Im very reluctant to tell you what you SHOULD do because there are too many variables.
I personally dont do the same strength exercises two days in a row though, nor do I do strength training more than 4-5 days per week.
Have you considered something like the plank to replace crunches? I personally find them not great for my lower back.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 02, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
I think what I really want is "permission" to skip them on alternate days. If the common wisdom were that crunches and pushups are such light exercises that it's fine to do them every day, then I'd feel that I "should" be doing them daily. But if only serious strength trainers do them daily, and old farts like me need to take a day off, then I'll take the day off.

I never use weights two days in a row. But since crunches and pushups only use the body's own weight, I wondered if that put them in a different category. It takes 40 to 50 crunches for me to feel I can do no more, but I can only do 5 or 6 pushups. I was up to 7 before the Maui trip, but it took me a while to get back to them, and I'm back to 5 or 6.

What I'd like to know is that skipping a day actually works better: More benefit for less work. ;D Cardio is different. I do 2 or 3 days in a row before taking a day off. I used to do 6 days a week, but I'm not as strong as I was, so now it's 4 or 5 days a week. But whereas I feel that I know my body where cardio is concerned, I don't have a very good sense for resistance exercises.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 02, 2016, 12:47:45 PM
Aha! Well in that case, yes, you can probably get more benefit for less work;)
The particular numbers arent that important imo when compared to the percentage of effort expended.
If it feels low effort then doing it everyday is probably best. If it feels like you have hit a wall or are close to it then letting the muscles recover the next day is a good option.
Try something like the plank though, sounds like you could shave time off your core workout and get more benefit.

Obvioisly Im not an expert, if anyone disagrees, Im always up for learning.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 02, 2016, 03:52:03 PM
So, you mean just holding a plank position as long as I can? And is that instead of crunches or pushups? Or both? Because of my bad shoulders, I probably wouldn't want to do plank and pushups, but I could do plank and crunches or pushups and crunches.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 02, 2016, 03:57:02 PM
So, you mean just holding a plank position as long as I can? And is that instead of crunches or pushups? Or both? Because of my bad shoulders, I probably wouldn't want to do plank and pushups, but I could do plank and crunches or pushups and crunches.
I just meant as an alternative to crunches but if you find your body can deal with crunchs easier then stick with what feels better!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 02, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
yea, that's the consensus I hear these days, too. hollow body holds, planks, variations on that theme, being superior to sit-up varieties.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 02, 2016, 05:24:36 PM
Deadlifts and squats.  Low reps, max effort.  No vanity lifts.

Save the planks for yoga.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 02, 2016, 06:19:13 PM
Deadlifts and squats.  Low reps, max effort.  No vanity lifts.

Save the planks for yoga.
Not everyone has the time, money or inclination to get access to weights and learn how to use them correctly.
I do agree that those exercises are among the best ways to increase core strength but they are by no means suited to everyone or necessary for everyones goals.
Im a strong believer that the best exercise is the one you will realistically do regularly and consistently. That differs wildly from person to person.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 02, 2016, 07:14:20 PM
Save the planks for yoga.

?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 02, 2016, 09:03:16 PM
Deadlifts and squats.  Low reps, max effort.  No vanity lifts.

Save the planks for yoga.
Not everyone has the time, money or inclination to get access to weights and learn how to use them correctly.
I do agree that those exercises are among the best ways to increase core strength but they are by no means suited to everyone or necessary for everyones goals.
Im a strong believer that the best exercise is the one you will realistically do regularly and consistently. That differs wildly from person to person.

Wildly or widely?  Most folks just DGAF.  Anyone on this forum has the time and money.

My goals are to keep sarcopenia and osteoporosis out of my life.  Planks will not do this.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 03, 2016, 06:06:56 AM
Wildly. But it would mean more or less the same thing would it not? If you dont think so, then just pretend I said widely.

And no, not everyone here would have the time and money for weights, depending on where they live, how many kids they have and how many hours they work. I currently, can only afford a local gym thats ridiculously priced at 100euros a year right now so Im quite lucky.
Good for you for those goals. Its a smart way to go about them. Not everybody will share them though depending on their personal priorities and circumstances.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 03, 2016, 08:41:38 AM
I cannot do squats. They make my knees hurt. If deadlifts are what I think they are, then they start out like squats, so I cannot do them. There are some exercises I cannot do because they make my shoulders hurt. I cannot lift heavy items because of my bad back. My body is old and damaged. I do what I am able to do.

I could afford free weights, and I'd even have space for a compact set of weights, but I think a machine is safer, and although there are many drawbacks to the Bowflex, it allows me to do the exercises I can without the hazards of free weights. And it lets me do my (limited) weight work at home, which is enormously more convenient than going to a gym, and means I will do it more regularly.

As harry said, "... the best exercise is the one you will realistically do regularly and consistently."
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 03, 2016, 10:43:35 AM
I found this article about gait quite interesting
http://www.teamchiroames.com/blog/the-ideal-running-gait-focus-on-foot-strike
Im definitely falling back to heel strikes once I get really tired.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 03, 2016, 11:07:40 AM
I found this article about gait quite interesting
http://www.teamchiroames.com/blog/the-ideal-running-gait-focus-on-foot-strike
Im definitely falling back to heel strikes once I get really tired.

Looks like the author of that is associated with a chiropractic practice. 'Nuf said?

My running shoes always show wear at the heel, suggesting that I might be a heel striker. But I take very short strides. The author seems to be arguing that heel strike is bad because of the long stride. But he never offers any evidence of a connection between strike point and stride length.

I have read arguments that toe strike is a more natural way of both running and walking. They argue that shoes are bad for us because they make us switch from toe strike to heel strike. Naturalistic fallacy, much? I like shoes because they prevent glass and nails from puncturing my feet. I walk and run in the way that feels comfortable to me. I'm disinclined to force myself into an uncomfortable running style just because a chiropractor says the uncomfortable way is more natural.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 03, 2016, 01:49:53 PM
Run uphill and  one's forefoot strike becomes natural.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 03, 2016, 02:44:45 PM
Yeah Ive run up one or two hills in my time.

As far as association with chiropractic, thats a good catch, Im not convinced that its enough said though. His arguments here seem relatively sensible and in line with what Ive been hearing from subject matter experts for quite a while.
I will definitely dig deeper though.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on April 03, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
I use a wide stance on squats. I have found that they take a lot of pressure off my back and knees. I also wrap my knees when I do squats. Even with light weight. It seems to help with my knee pain. I do a sumo style dead lift. This also takes some pressure off my knees. Doing deads has helped strengthen my back to the point that I do not have nearly as much back pain as I use to have. These 2 are my favorite exercises. I hurt my knee(playing hockey) so I have had to lay off legs for awhile. Looking to get back at it this Friday.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 04, 2016, 01:45:08 AM
I use a wide stance on squats. I have found that they take a lot of pressure off my back and knees. I also wrap my knees when I do squats. Even with light weight. It seems to help with my knee pain. I do a sumo style dead lift. This also takes some pressure off my knees. Doing deads has helped strengthen my back to the point that I do not have nearly as much back pain as I use to have. These 2 are my favorite exercises. I hurt my knee(playing hockey) so I have had to lay off legs for awhile. Looking to get back at it this Friday.

The rest is window-dressing.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 04, 2016, 04:52:02 AM
I use a wide stance on squats. I have found that they take a lot of pressure off my back and knees. I also wrap my knees when I do squats. Even with light weight. It seems to help with my knee pain. I do a sumo style dead lift. This also takes some pressure off my knees. Doing deads has helped strengthen my back to the point that I do not have nearly as much back pain as I use to have. These 2 are my favorite exercises. I hurt my knee(playing hockey) so I have had to lay off legs for awhile. Looking to get back at it this Friday.

The rest is window-dressing.
Wouldnt it depend on your specific goals?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: SkeptiQueer on April 04, 2016, 05:47:35 AM
I use a wide stance on squats. I have found that they take a lot of pressure off my back and knees. I also wrap my knees when I do squats. Even with light weight. It seems to help with my knee pain. I do a sumo style dead lift. This also takes some pressure off my knees. Doing deads has helped strengthen my back to the point that I do not have nearly as much back pain as I use to have. These 2 are my favorite exercises. I hurt my knee(playing hockey) so I have had to lay off legs for awhile. Looking to get back at it this Friday.
I need to switch to a gym with free weights. All I have access to is a Smith machine, and I can't make deadlines work on that abomination. Can throw a full set at 245 with an Olympic bar and some bumper plates though.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 04, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Tried to do a gentle run with a podcast on but the podcast was annoying so I switched to music and ended up thrashing myself.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 04, 2016, 04:26:42 PM
I use a wide stance on squats. I have found that they take a lot of pressure off my back and knees. I also wrap my knees when I do squats. Even with light weight. It seems to help with my knee pain. I do a sumo style dead lift. This also takes some pressure off my knees. Doing deads has helped strengthen my back to the point that I do not have nearly as much back pain as I use to have. These 2 are my favorite exercises. I hurt my knee(playing hockey) so I have had to lay off legs for awhile. Looking to get back at it this Friday.

The rest is window-dressing.
Wouldnt it depend on your specific goals?

indeed. I'm just sitting here thinking I'll never get my OAC* that way

*one arm chin-up
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 04, 2016, 04:28:03 PM
Tried to do a gentle run with a podcast on but the podcast was annoying so I switched to music and ended up thrashing myself.

you don't have any mellow music?

good luck thrashing yourself to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofBBQoWfH_c
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 04, 2016, 04:50:03 PM
Bleh. I should have. But I do enjoy my heavier stuff and almost puking. Just not always the smartest thing.

Speaking of not smart- My pvc pipe parallettes just broke.
Thankfully I wasnt inverted at the time.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on April 04, 2016, 06:04:00 PM
I use a wide stance on squats. I have found that they take a lot of pressure off my back and knees. I also wrap my knees when I do squats. Even with light weight. It seems to help with my knee pain. I do a sumo style dead lift. This also takes some pressure off my knees. Doing deads has helped strengthen my back to the point that I do not have nearly as much back pain as I use to have. These 2 are my favorite exercises. I hurt my knee(playing hockey) so I have had to lay off legs for awhile. Looking to get back at it this Friday.

The rest is window-dressing.
Wouldnt it depend on your specific goals?

indeed. I'm just sitting here thinking I'll never get my OAC* that way

*one arm chin-up

I'm going to have to try that.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 04, 2016, 07:06:58 PM
Speaking of not smart- My pvc pipe parallettes just broke.
Thankfully I wasnt inverted at the time.

bugger.
speaking of not smart ... my wrist is still troubled from falling out of a tree at the start of the year :P

but yea, PVC doesn't seem that strong to me (I just bought some the other day to build an LED staff). if I was gunna make bars out of it I'd want to add a metal or wooden core for strength.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 04, 2016, 07:49:22 PM
It was fine strengthwise I think, it was just the angles I was pushing it at snapped one of the elbow joins.
Might give it another go and glue in place.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 04, 2016, 08:19:55 PM
It was fine strengthwise I think, it was just the angles I was pushing it at snapped one of the elbow joins.
Might give it another go and glue in place.

aaaah, yea, I've had the same issue with my older model p-bars out of wood (shallower grooves, smaller nails, weaker glue than these days).

deeeeeeeeeeeeefinitely glue it... that shit comes up on the reddit page all the time :P
if you really want that collapseable convenience you could always think about just making a more portable pair that can afford to be glued permanent (s'what I love about my low clearance bars--they can afford to be shorter without any stability implications, easily fit in the same bag as my rings gloves gripper and portable speaker :) ).
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 06, 2016, 03:06:23 PM
Fuck creatine. Duno if it was the brand or what but it was murder on my stomach.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on April 06, 2016, 03:59:23 PM
Fuck creatine. Duno if it was the brand or what but it was murder on my stomach.

I take it and have had no issues. I've never heard of anyone having your reaction. That's interesting.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 06, 2016, 11:33:37 PM
Fuck creatine. Duno if it was the brand or what but it was murder on my stomach.

Since supplements are unregulated (maybe it's different where you live???) there's no guarantee that a bottle labelled creatine actually contains any creatine, but worse, there's no testing or regulation to make sure that it does not contain unsafe levels of pretty much any drug or contaminant. Various studies by Consumer Reports and others have found that most supplements contain contaminants, sometimes even prescription drugs, which is illegal, but without testing they seldom get prosecuted.

Apparently creatine in reasonable doses is relatively safe. But you could be allergic to it. (Creatine allergies are a thing.) Or you could be getting sewage labelled as creatine.

Personally, I think supplements are generally a bad idea and unnecessary unless you have a medical condition, in which case your doctor will prescribe whatever you're lacking.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 07, 2016, 12:36:42 PM
Well I used creatine to great effect a few years ago. This particular brand had lots of added extra ingredients though. My friend who gave me the tub said he had the same issues with it.
Overall I agree about the supplement industry but I think you can make relatively good guesses about certain reputable brands.
Regarding their use outside of medical advice, Im not too worried. I have certain dietary protein goals that I usually meet through diet, but if Im trying to train harder for whatever reason and am finding it uncomfortable to eat that much then a protein shake is a good solution to me.
Its all just risk/benefit analysis based on ones specific goals.
Its funny (and definitely no more than a coincidence) that the only two times Ive had compliments on my lats have been when Im using creatine.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 07, 2016, 01:51:28 PM
Cool pics.

The video is listed as private, so it doesn't play.

cheers. the video was mostly boring. it was just the first footage I had of me using fire.
since then I've build an LED staff, because reviewing that footage I found I was too conservative in my style when spinning fire, and I'd like to develop a less plodding and more martial arts style.

this one's my trial and error to learn horizontal spinning, which seems to be a lot more improv/about feel rather than as structured/routine as normal vertical spins where I know the names of all the moves I'm doing

I should probably get around to watching Star Wars for inspiration one of these days
https://youtu.be/R7R7iJsTy50
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 07, 2016, 05:08:32 PM
... if Im trying to train harder for whatever reason and am finding it uncomfortable to eat that much then a protein shake is a good solution to me....

I cannot get my mind around the idea of being unable to eat more. I can always eat more.


...since then I've build an LED staff...

LEDs??? Man, oh, man. We want to watch you spinning fire, like they do on Cirque du Soleil. ;D

This is probably a good place to mention that I'm going to be off line for a while.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 07, 2016, 05:12:40 PM

I cannot get my mind around the idea of being unable to eat more. I can always eat more.


Ditto.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 08, 2016, 12:05:45 AM
This is probably a good place to mention that I'm going to be off line for a while.

another holiday? have fun :)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 08, 2016, 06:39:18 AM
... if Im trying to train harder for whatever reason and am finding it uncomfortable to eat that much then a protein shake is a good solution to me....

I cannot get my mind around the idea of being unable to eat more. I can always eat more.


...since then I've build an LED staff...

LEDs??? Man, oh, man. We want to watch you spinning fire, like they do on Cirque du Soleil. ;D

This is probably a good place to mention that I'm going to be off line for a while.
I may decide I want the protein but not the calories and shakes are a lot cheaper than good cuts of meat.
But I rarely use shakes to be honest, maybe 4 months out of the year?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on April 08, 2016, 07:39:15 AM
This is probably a good place to mention that I'm going to be off line for a while.

another holiday? have fun :)

Yep. I'll be shutting down the computer in a few hours.

I may decide I want the protein but not the calories and shakes are a lot cheaper than good cuts of meat.
But I rarely use shakes to be honest, maybe 4 months out of the year?

I like shakes. I don't make them very often because I don't want the calories.  ;D
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on April 08, 2016, 07:12:11 PM
I like Protein Shakes. I use them when I have a deficit of calories for the day.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 08, 2016, 09:06:13 PM
I like Protein Shakes. I use them when I have a deficit of calories for the day.

they don't have that many calories, though, unless you mean the 'mass gainer' shakes.

I like to mix mine with water, but I throw in a little cola, too, gives it a nice fizz that makes the wateriness seem more normal, and tastes a bit like Vanilla Coke :)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 09, 2016, 01:49:38 AM
A nice way to celebrate my 64th; three good friends and a fine day on Mt Somers.


(http://i.imgur.com/grCWgnF.jpg)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on April 09, 2016, 08:16:57 AM
Nice
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 14, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
Noticed Im getting lazy in my sessions. I cant stand doing more than 25minutes at a time, even if its two separate sessions in a day.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 15, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
Pushed myself to focus on gait while running today. It made a big difference to my time, but I definitely need to start taping my feet before I do it for another long run and that should knock another few seconds off.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on April 18, 2016, 02:14:01 PM
I started learning how to ski two years ago.  Went 4 times, all lessons my first year.  second year, the snow was shit, and I only managed to go twice.  This last season, I started out on greens, barely knowing how to ski.  I went 15 times, took two lessons, and now I'm starting to ski blacks. Can't wait until next year.  Hoping to get into back country skiing by the end of the season.

I also took up mountain biking.  Holy shit, I'm out of shape.  I quit taking propanolol, so I can finally get my heart rate up over 160.  This helps immensely on the biking front.  Started this last year, went a bunch, but my cardio is back out of shape after skiing all winter.  I also got a road bike, and I'm hoping to do 100 miles in a day this summer.  Also, bikes are much easier to ride when you lose 15 pounds off your body.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on April 18, 2016, 06:34:42 PM
Pushed myself to focus on gait while running today. It made a big difference to my time, but I definitely need to start taping my feet before I do it for another long run and that should knock another few seconds off.

That's a big deal. A lot of runners bop up and down instead of spending their energy going forward. For example jogging is more up and down and sprinting is more forward leaning. Running is a mix but more forward then up and down.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 18, 2016, 06:38:41 PM
Yeah, Ive I have a tendancy to go hard on the fore foot until I fatigue and then up my output on the heels, wasting a lot of wffort for less efficiency.
Discipline to do things right has always been a problem for me.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 19, 2016, 10:09:11 AM
so, I've added again to my fun/fitness routine, this time a proper 6'+ bo staff (light weight right now, but I'll weigh it down a little with various tape and maybe some foam), and a couple pairs of nun-chucks.

but I'll need to remake/make another pair of the chucks. I don't actually have a food/drug scale, so I don't know what they weigh, but I know they're supposed to be between 150g (for demonstration) and 650g (for combat)

they're the PVC+rope style ones on youtube DIY tutorials. I weighted the first one with dry rice, and the second one with newspaper compacted as much as possible at someone else's suggestion (I thought maybe it would work out as good since it would use up the space better). the rice turned out to be the heavier of the two somehow, so it's got me curious what might be my best choice for future builds, especially to aim for a specific weight. maybe nails? glue would probably be good but expensive. good old dirt? is there a general materials density scale? this seems to suggest (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/dirt-mud-densities-d_1727.html) sand would be a heavier/denser choice than dirt (and I assume rice) ... salt might absorb water worse than rice, sugar might attract insects. it's just that I can't be bothered going to get sand :P

(http://i.imgur.com/LzHZ7EE.jpg)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 19, 2016, 05:10:37 PM
I started learning how to ski two years ago.  Went 4 times, all lessons my first year.  second year, the snow was shit, and I only managed to go twice.  This last season, I started out on greens, barely knowing how to ski.  I went 15 times, took two lessons, and now I'm starting to ski blacks. Can't wait until next year.  Hoping to get into back country skiing by the end of the season.

I also took up mountain biking.  Holy shit, I'm out of shape.  I quit taking propanolol, so I can finally get my heart rate up over 160.  This helps immensely on the biking front.  Started this last year, went a bunch, but my cardio is back out of shape after skiing all winter.  I also got a road bike, and I'm hoping to do 100 miles in a day this summer.  Also, bikes are much easier to ride when you lose 15 pounds off your body.

You're a new woman.  They'll all be drooling over you soon. 

Don't go backcountry skiing.  it'll ruin your life... kinda like mountain biking. 

If you run into Dr Susie Snowpit (Ferguson) or Twitty (Professor Howard Conway) digging a snow profile in your neck of the woods, tell 'em hi from me.

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 19, 2016, 05:34:54 PM
so, I've added again to my fun/fitness routine, this time a proper 6'+ bo staff (light weight right now, but I'll weigh it down a little with various tape and maybe some foam), and a couple pairs of nun-chucks.

but I'll need to remake/make another pair of the chucks. I don't actually have a food/drug scale, so I don't know what they weigh, but I know they're supposed to be between 150g (for demonstration) and 650g (for combat)

they're the PVC+rope style ones on youtube DIY tutorials. I weighted the first one with dry rice, and the second one with newspaper compacted as much as possible at someone else's suggestion (I thought maybe it would work out as good since it would use up the space better). the rice turned out to be the heavier of the two somehow, so it's got me curious what might be my best choice for future builds, especially to aim for a specific weight. maybe nails? glue would probably be good but expensive. good old dirt? is there a general materials density scale? this seems to suggest (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/dirt-mud-densities-d_1727.html) sand would be a heavier/denser choice than dirt (and I assume rice) ... salt might absorb water worse than rice, sugar might attract insects. it's just that I can't be bothered going to get sand :P

(http://i.imgur.com/LzHZ7EE.jpg)
One of my lovely lady friends does fire spinning with various martial weapons. She pretty much does it as her exclusive workout now and its really awesome!
We used to train together and one of the ideas we used to use to come up with new stuff was to try and use the bo like a chain and the chain like a bo. A friend of mine does nunchuk stuff with the bo which is cool to watch.
Might I recommend Jackie Chan for some imaginative and fun routines?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on April 19, 2016, 06:23:22 PM
I started learning how to ski two years ago.  Went 4 times, all lessons my first year.  second year, the snow was shit, and I only managed to go twice.  This last season, I started out on greens, barely knowing how to ski.  I went 15 times, took two lessons, and now I'm starting to ski blacks. Can't wait until next year.  Hoping to get into back country skiing by the end of the season.

I also took up mountain biking.  Holy shit, I'm out of shape.  I quit taking propanolol, so I can finally get my heart rate up over 160.  This helps immensely on the biking front.  Started this last year, went a bunch, but my cardio is back out of shape after skiing all winter.  I also got a road bike, and I'm hoping to do 100 miles in a day this summer.  Also, bikes are much easier to ride when you lose 15 pounds off your body.

You're a new woman.  They'll all be drooling over you soon. 

Don't go backcountry skiing.  it'll ruin your life... kinda like mountain biking. 

If you run into Dr Susie Snowpit (Ferguson) or Twitty (Professor Howard Conway) digging a snow profile in your neck of the woods, tell 'em hi from me.

But some day, I have plans to jump out of a helicopter and ski in some pure, fresh powder.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 19, 2016, 09:22:44 PM
Might I recommend Jackie Chan for some imaginative and fun routines?

maybe once I get more skills :P
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 19, 2016, 09:59:06 PM
Might I recommend Jackie Chan for some imaginative and fun routines?

maybe once I get more skills :P
Fuck that man! If Keanu can learn it, you can learn it! The best way to get new tricks is to watch people do them and try to figure out how they do it!
I think you will be amazed how fast you make progress anyway.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: GodSlayer on April 20, 2016, 12:07:16 AM
Might I recommend Jackie Chan for some imaginative and fun routines?

maybe once I get more skills :P
Fuck that man! If Keanu can learn it, you can learn it! The best way to get new tricks is to watch people do them and try to figure out how they do it!
I think you will be amazed how fast you make progress anyway.

naa, right now I'm watching tutorials from a guy with an awesome style with a range of flow toys
I'll worry about picking up novel tricks by sight once I have the basic handling and coordination down.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 21, 2016, 02:04:04 PM
As predicted, a bit of duct tape on the balls of my feet reduced my 10k time by roughly a minute. Keeping my gait and pace was only a matter of fitness and concentration without the pain to contend with.
I find it hard to keep a steady fast pace over that distance so I opted to sprint (or attempt to) every 5 minutes for 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on April 21, 2016, 02:05:59 PM
As predicted, a bit of duct tape on the balls of my feet reduced my 10k time by roughly a minute.

I don't understand.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 21, 2016, 02:46:37 PM
As predicted, a bit of duct tape on the balls of my feet reduced my 10k time by roughly a minute.

I don't understand.
I put duct tape on the parts of my feet that are prone to friction when I run, it meant that I could run faster in the latter part because I wasnt subconciously trying to spare the sore bits on my feet by running slower or less efficiently.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Friendly Angel on April 21, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
duct tape = Irish mole skin
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on April 21, 2016, 03:00:03 PM
duct tape = Irish mole skin

 :laugh:

I woulda used stick deodorant.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on April 21, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
I've been doing some various arm and shoulder workouts lately, and my neck and shoulders are extremely sore and tense.  I didn't even do what I would consider a terribly difficult workout.  I tried to make sure my posture was good.  But holy shit, does my neck and shoulder area hurt.  Feels more like regular muscle tension than DOMS.  Wish I knew a better way to relieve the pain.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 21, 2016, 03:14:07 PM
duct tape = Irish mole skin
Went to town to get some after my run but its 7 euros for a pack! Fuck that...
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on April 21, 2016, 05:14:19 PM
I've been doing some various arm and shoulder workouts lately, and my neck and shoulders are extremely sore and tense.  I didn't even do what I would consider a terribly difficult workout.  I tried to make sure my posture was good.  But holy shit, does my neck and shoulder area hurt.  Feels more like regular muscle tension than DOMS.  Wish I knew a better way to relieve the pain.

Try an ice pack
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on April 21, 2016, 05:16:42 PM
I've been doing some various arm and shoulder workouts lately, and my neck and shoulders are extremely sore and tense.  I didn't even do what I would consider a terribly difficult workout.  I tried to make sure my posture was good.  But holy shit, does my neck and shoulder area hurt.  Feels more like regular muscle tension than DOMS.  Wish I knew a better way to relieve the pain.

Try an ice pack

I did.  It only feels better when I'm actively using the ice pack.  Doesn't help for sitting at a desk at work for long hours. :/
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 21, 2016, 05:46:57 PM
Have you tried drugging the shit out of yourself with over the counter anti inflammatorys?
I find at times that if Im getting a twinge of  inflammation after a session, its best nipped in the bud with a few pills rather than letting it aggravate itself to a bigger problem.

Totally anecdotal of course.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on April 21, 2016, 05:50:50 PM
Have you tried drugging the shit out of yourself with over the counter anti inflammatorys?
I find at times that if Im getting a twinge of  inflammation after a session, its best nipped in the bud with a few pills rather than letting it aggravate itself to a bigger problem.

Totally anecdotal of course.

Well, my GI doctor has told me to stop taking AIs, not that I listen to him that much.  I still take them, but I try not to take them very often.  Plus, they don't seem to do that much anymore.  I have found that there's a Canadian muscle relaxer available over the counter that works well, but that also puts me to sleep.  What I need is a neck and shoulder massuese on call at my office.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 21, 2016, 06:09:06 PM
My last ex girlfriend was a canadian muscle relaxer.
Boom!
Still got it.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on April 21, 2016, 06:32:07 PM
I hyperextended my finger on January 2.  This is what it looks like after leaving it un-taped and un-splinted for a day.  Should I get it X-rayed after all this time?  It doesn't seem to be getting noticeably better.

(click to show/hide)

ETA:  I got a response from my email to my doctor, who said the photo was blurry (which it is), so it's hard to tell, but seemed mildly alarmed that it's been three months and I haven't had it X-rayed.  All right then, off to the doc-in-the-box tomorrow morning.  (I have to work tonight.)
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on April 21, 2016, 06:36:55 PM
AQB, I think it would look a lot more swollen if you broke something.  But if you have insurance, I always recommend getting shit x-rayed.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 21, 2016, 06:48:40 PM
Yeah, it shouldnt still hurt. Get it checked.
Title: Re: Twitter your random exercise thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on April 22, 2016, 02:21:32 PM
Update on my stupid finger:  I took off the splint and tape last night, so it was nicely swollen and red this morning when I went to Express Care.  The friendly PA's diagnosis, based on her examination and her reading of the X-rays (the radiologist hadn't read them by the time I left), is a small fracture, largely healed.  ("Bones heal in eight weeks," she said, which I'm sure means when it's a simple fracture.)  :-\

I have an appointment with a hand specialist orthopedist on Monday, and instructions from the physician assistant to keep the finger buddy-taped and ice it four times daily.  I feel kind of stupid about the whole thing.  I assumed it wasn't broken, largely because years ago what I thought was a broken thumb (v. painful) was a sprain.  Also, this really didn't hurt that much at first.  I didn't even start taping until maybe four weeks after the injury; it was just a bit sore and swollen.  Then it got worse.

First broken bone of my life.  :(  I feel pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 22, 2016, 06:22:47 PM
One broken bone; lucky you.  I've broken, dislocated, shredded (or severed) every finger... some twice.  The dog ate one of them. 

Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Karyn on April 22, 2016, 06:32:42 PM
One broken bone; lucky you.  I've broken, dislocated, shredded (or severed) every finger... some twice.  The dog ate one of them.

 :laugh:

You crack me up.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on April 22, 2016, 06:37:30 PM
But some day, I have plans to jump out of a helicopter and ski in some pure, fresh powder.

Might be the best day of your life.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on April 22, 2016, 06:42:56 PM
One broken bone; lucky you.  I've broken, dislocated, shredded (or severed) every finger... some twice.  The dog ate one of them.

You...win?
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on April 22, 2016, 07:17:12 PM
I feel like if I had been to Timbuktu , Moa would have been to Timbukthree...
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on April 22, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
I feel like if I had been to Timbuktu , Moa would have been to Timbukthree...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qrriKcwvlY
Title: Re: Twitter your random exercise thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on April 22, 2016, 08:28:53 PM
Update on my stupid finger:  I took off the splint and tape last night, so it was nicely swollen and red this morning when I went to Express Care.  The friendly PA's diagnosis, based on her examination and her reading of the X-rays (the radiologist hadn't read them by the time I left), is a small fracture, largely healed.  ("Bones heal in eight weeks," she said, which I'm sure means when it's a simple fracture.)  :-\

I have an appointment with a hand specialist orthopedist on Monday, and instructions from the physician assistant to keep the finger buddy-taped and ice it four times daily.  I feel kind of stupid about the whole thing.  I assumed it wasn't broken, largely because years ago what I thought was a broken thumb (v. painful) was a sprain.  Also, this really didn't hurt that much at first.  I didn't even start taping until maybe four weeks after the injury; it was just a bit sore and swollen.  Then it got worse.

First broken bone of my life.  :(  I feel pretty stupid.

Sounds like you did everything that the Doc would have done.
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Post by: lonely moa on April 23, 2016, 04:36:58 PM
I feel like if I had been to Timbuktu , Moa would have been to Timbukthree...

Just give yourself a few more years to make some serious errors in judgement... you'll be champion.
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 24, 2016, 12:44:34 PM
Got home from my trip yesterday. Because of the desert climate, they only hike in the mornings, but there are lots of activities all day long. Yoga, Pilates, pool cardio, gym. The first week I did the longest hike offered each morning (ranging from 3 1/2 to 7 miles, with 500 to 1,000 feet of elevation gain). The 7-mile hike stops for breakfast on top of a mountain. Afternoons, I did miscellaneous stuff. Then I came down with a head cold: sneezing, runny nose, coughing, headache, sort throat. For a few days I didn't do much of anything. By the day of the 7-mile breakfast hike on Thursday, second week, I thought I was well enough to go on the hike, but I was coughing my guts out on all the uphills, and coughing more moderately on the downhills. The last day was a 5 1/2-mile hike, again, I thought I was better, but I was coughing a lot. Not sure if hiking with the cough made it worse. Took a lot of aspirin (2 or 3 a day) for the headache.

By then the only remaining symptom was the cough, which persisted, though not as bad as while hiking, through my flights home and still this morning. Somebody told me there's a long-lasting cold going around.

No exercise for me until the cough goes away.
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Post by: Karyn on April 25, 2016, 11:03:38 AM
I was up at 6:00am to get my drysuit scuba diving certification.  2 feet of visibility, shitty rental gear, got kicked in the head many times just making sure I could still see the people in front of me.  I hate shore diving, especially at the shore we had to dive from.  You wouldn't think that scuba diving would be that much exercise, but under those circumstances, it was extremely exhausting.  I basically had to lay around for several hours afterwards recovering.  I don't even do that after a 10 mile hike up a mountain, or three hours of mountain biking.  Now, to get my own equipment before I go diving in Cabo in two weeks.
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Post by: Harry Black on April 26, 2016, 04:42:31 PM
Was supposed to run today. Didnt. Probably be suffering from a wasting disease in the morning.
Was also supposed to chase my gym folks to get my fob fixed so I can lift again.
Didnt.
FINE!!! I'll go do some pull ups.
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Post by: DG on April 28, 2016, 02:40:04 AM
I hate you all. I started running again - developed plantar fasciitis. So I am convinced that the universe has determined that I am to be fat all of my life.

As a big "Screw you" to said universe I joined the gym (with a pool) so I can swim laps, but it's not the same. I've been 3 times this week and have another session planned for tomorrow...

Now I just need to put down the fork...
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Post by: Harry Black on April 28, 2016, 07:35:47 AM
Four swim sessions a week? Thats good going!
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Post by: GodSlayer on April 28, 2016, 08:08:33 AM
So I am convinced that the universe has determined that I am to be fat all of my life.

Now I just need to put down the fork...

that's about it.
fat or skinny is decided in the kitchen.
you don't need to do cardio, unless you want to be able to/need to eat larger quantities of things (I recall the claim of Gweneth Paltrow that she gained weight for some role by adjusting her diet with the addition of one Snickers per day ... I'd hate to be so inactive I couldn't afford to smash through a block of chocolate in a day without noticeable consequences).
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Post by: DG on April 28, 2016, 08:20:59 AM


So I am convinced that the universe has determined that I am to be fat all of my life.

Now I just need to put down the fork...

that's about it.
fat or skinny is decided in the kitchen.
you don't need to do cardio, unless you want to be able to/need to eat larger quantities of things (I recall the claim of Gweneth Paltrow that she gained weight for some role by adjusting her diet with the addition of one Snickers per day ... I'd hate to be so inactive I couldn't afford to smash through a block of chocolate in a day without noticeable consequences).

Did I mention I hate you? As someone who has always struggled with my weight, that's just a pipe dream...

That said when I was running 5-10km a day it was less of an issue, but that routine was broken and now I'm injured so I can't get back to it.

I know that I have to do the extra hard work in the kitchen since I can't do it out on the roads.

That said, I need to do cardio for my mental health.
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Post by: Harry Black on April 28, 2016, 08:29:33 AM
A snickers has a shocking amount of calories. Its why I bring them on ships where I know I will be under fed.
When you calculate the rough number of calories burned in a session and compare them to a snickers, its very sobering and disheartening.
Exercise obviously has loads of benefits that tie into fat loss though, and vice versa. If nothing else, it may help mitigate some of the draw backs of excess fat (what is excess obviously depends).
Swimming does burn more calories than running though if I recall?
I know that when I do a long swim, Im fucking RAVENOUS after.
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 28, 2016, 10:06:03 AM
Swimming can be very intense cardio, mild cardio, or not cardio at all, depending on how hard you push yourself. The same is true of bicycling, another excellent exercise. Running, however, is cardio because as long as you are in a running cadence it's going to get your heart rate up. If you drop too low, you'll shift from running to walking. So if it's a running cadence it's cardio.

Putting the fork down is indeed the important thing, and it's the hardest thing. I find that if I am not exercising, I don't have the motivation to stop eating when I should. Right now I'm still suffering from this damn cough and I cannot exercise. I saw the doctor. It's a virus that's going around and there's nothing I can do to make it go away before it's ready to.
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Post by: AQB24712 on April 28, 2016, 10:45:22 AM
Further update on my stupid finger.  The hand specialist orthopedist said if there had been a fracture, it was a tiny one and "not anything [he] needed to treat."  Super-duper sprain, but tendons and ligaments are "intact."  He said to stop taping it and start using it, and referred me to an occupational therapist for a program of exercises and such.  I see her on Tuesday.

Kinda like with last year's frozen shoulder, now that I know I'm not damaging it, I am happy to use my finger and to stretch and bend it, despite the pain.  Since Monday, I've regained some range of motion, and the swelling is down.  I can get a size seven ring on easily (not that I'm wearing a ring on that finger), and a size six over the knuckle.  I really want this finger to end up its usual size six.



As for not needing to do cardio, I'm doing it (as much as I am managing to do it, sigh) to build stamina and burn off cortisol.
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Post by: Billzbub on April 28, 2016, 11:52:25 AM
I'm playing disk golf to get myself off the computer chair, and when I play with friends, its awesome.

However, when I play by myself, I end up attempting to walk the entire time with no stopping because I don't have to wait for anyone else to throw.  After about 5 minutes of this, the muscles on the outside of my legs just above my ankles start killing me.  I end up walking at a snails pace because it hurts too much, so my heart rate doesn't go up at all.

I think I'll go see the doc and see if there's some physical therapy I can do.
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Post by: lonely moa on April 28, 2016, 12:21:56 PM
Swimming can be very intense cardio, mild cardio, or not cardio at all, depending on how hard you push yourself. The same is true of bicycling, another excellent exercise. Running, however, is cardio because as long as you are in a running cadence it's going to get your heart rate up. If you drop too low, you'll shift from running to walking. So if it's a running cadence it's cardio.

Putting the fork down is indeed the important thing, and it's the hardest thing. I find that if I am not exercising, I don't have the motivation to stop eating when I should. Right now I'm still suffering from this damn cough and I cannot exercise. I saw the doctor. It's a virus that's going around and there's nothing I can do to make it go away before it's ready to.

Swimming can be aerobic or it can be anaerobic.  Just depends on one's heart rate.  I remember all those wind sprints fifty years ago.  The rest periods at the end of the pool just got shorter and shorter.  Not sure how healthy it was, but it did get us to go faster.  At least our coach kept us out of the black hole training zone.
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 28, 2016, 12:43:07 PM
Yes. Pretty much any exercise can be pushed hard enough to become anaerobic. My point was that unlike running, which by definition involves a certain cadence, swimming, walking, or cycling can be done so gently that your heart rate never goes much above resting.
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Post by: GodSlayer on April 28, 2016, 03:04:51 PM
That said, I need to do cardio for my mental health.

true dat
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Post by: DG on May 03, 2016, 02:29:09 AM
3 bits of good news:

(1) the strapping that my physio tried for my last football game made a world of difference to my recovery. I was able to walk Sunday afternoon rather than being in intense pain with every step.

(2) I did a weights session at the gym and really enjoyed it.

(3) I was able to put in 35 minutes on the elliptical trainer (albeit at a moderate intensity) without significant pain in my impaired foot.


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Post by: Harry Black on May 03, 2016, 08:00:04 AM
Can you describe the strapping? Or link to a picture of something similar?
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Post by: DG on May 03, 2016, 09:36:06 PM
Can you describe the strapping? Or link to a picture of something similar?

It's a combination of these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLqRwJjHkm0

Rather than wrapping under the loot like the first part of the above, it's wrapped around the foot (medial to lateral, via the heel, rather than medial, around heel and then to the medial again underneath the foot). I then support the underside of the foot with something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMZ90BdYhw


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Post by: lonely moa on May 03, 2016, 11:31:27 PM
Tip #32 for ageing athletes:  Don't take a fortnight off whole body exercise.  It's a hard restart.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 06, 2016, 07:29:40 AM
Tip #32 for ageing athletes:  Don't take a fortnight off whole body exercise.  It's a hard restart.
Isnt your entire life a whole body exercise?
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Post by: Harry Black on May 06, 2016, 01:12:00 PM
Finally got back to lifting today. 30minute gentle jog, 30 minute easy squat/deadlift session.
Interesting to feel where I had lost flexibility, highlights some gaps in my stretching sessions.
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Post by: lonely moa on May 06, 2016, 02:40:48 PM
Tip #32 for ageing athletes:  Don't take a fortnight off whole body exercise.  It's a hard restart.
Isnt your entire life a whole body exercise?
Not on what passes for 'family holiday time'.  Lucky  could eat normally.
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Post by: Tatyana on May 07, 2016, 05:05:30 AM
Can you describe the strapping? Or link to a picture of something similar?

It's a combination of these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLqRwJjHkm0

Rather than wrapping under the loot like the first part of the above, it's wrapped around the foot (medial to lateral, via the heel, rather than medial, around heel and then to the medial again underneath the foot). I then support the underside of the foot with something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwMZ90BdYhw

I've done that.

So sorry you are suffering from plantar's fascitis, it is really uncomfortable.

I have it in my left foot, I am fairly positive that it is because I ruptured my achilles tendon in that foot, and when I started running a lot (again) 6-7 years ago, I ran too much too quickly and bob's your uncle.

I still have to be a bit sensible with this arch, I often have to wear arch supports and I can't go from running 5 km per week to 30 km per week, it doesn't matter how good my cardiovascular fitness is.

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Post by: Harry Black on May 07, 2016, 11:16:53 AM
Stupid pain I had from 19-21 is starting to reoccur. It disappeared for no apparent reason back then (mid session no less) hopefully it will do the same now. Hopefully I can look after it better than I did then and it wont take 3 years this time.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on May 07, 2016, 01:46:20 PM
So, so sore from working out yesterday. :( I've got to get past this first (well, now officially second) workout soreness so I can FEEL THE BURNSAUCE, but my biceps and to a lesser extent abs and pecs feel like they want to fall off my body in the manner of a snake shedding its skin.
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Post by: GodSlayer on May 08, 2016, 03:35:09 AM
Stupid pain I had from 19-21 is starting to reoccur. It disappeared for no apparent reason back then (mid session no less) hopefully it will do the same now. Hopefully I can look after it better than I did then and it wont take 3 years this time.

what is it?
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Post by: Harry Black on May 08, 2016, 06:10:20 AM
Stupid pain I had from 19-21 is starting to reoccur. It disappeared for no apparent reason back then (mid session no less) hopefully it will do the same now. Hopefully I can look after it better than I did then and it wont take 3 years this time.

what is it?
Ah long story. I know the script on how to treat it inside out so its just a matter of wait and see!
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Post by: GodSlayer on May 08, 2016, 06:42:01 AM
Stupid pain I had from 19-21 is starting to reoccur. It disappeared for no apparent reason back then (mid session no less) hopefully it will do the same now. Hopefully I can look after it better than I did then and it wont take 3 years this time.

what is it?
Ah long story. I know the script on how to treat it inside out so its just a matter of wait and see!

will it prevent any of your favorite activities, or just introduce a bit of grief into your life?
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Post by: Harry Black on May 08, 2016, 07:06:32 AM
Stupid pain I had from 19-21 is starting to reoccur. It disappeared for no apparent reason back then (mid session no less) hopefully it will do the same now. Hopefully I can look after it better than I did then and it wont take 3 years this time.

what is it?
Ah long story. I know the script on how to treat it inside out so its just a matter of wait and see!

will it prevent any of your favorite activities, or just introduce a bit of grief into your life?
Just a bit of grief to be honest. Its going to be a nuisance for certain training sessions but wont really stop me from doing anything.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 08, 2016, 02:41:47 PM
Did a 90minute low intensity cardio session today with plenty of stretching.
I feel absolutely awesome! Blood is flowing and everything feels worked but I didnt burn out so my body wants more!
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Post by: Johnny Slick on May 09, 2016, 10:31:04 AM
Added a leg day to my new workout schedule, which god daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn I forgot what it feels like the next day SLASH THE NEXT ENTIRE WEEK to feel the burnsauce in your legs the first time you work them out. The nature of my workout was such that I didn't hit my butt heavily (no double entendres pls) so I can sit down OK but standing up is a pain, going up stairs is a bigger pain, and this morning I dropped my keycard on the way in to work and took approximately 5379157326 minutes to stand back up.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 09, 2016, 11:09:46 AM
Maybe scale back a little bit if its causing you that level of discomfort? Is it possible you skipped a step?
It doesnt sound like you are or should be worried, just throwing it out there.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on May 09, 2016, 11:41:11 AM
Maybe scale back a little bit if its causing you that level of discomfort? Is it possible you skipped a step?
It doesnt sound like you are or should be worried, just throwing it out there.
Nah, I've done the workout thing often enough in the past to know the difference between soreness and actual pain, and this is firmly in the former camp. It's just, you know, your legs are like half your body and so when they are sore you really, really feel it. And the first workout is always the worst one and all that. I don't plan on hitting my legs again until next Sunday, so they should be good to go by then (and I should be able to hit my GLUTES a bit harder, as they only feel a tiny bit sore, a sad state of affairs that only makes my legs whine more about their unequal treatment under the law).
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Post by: Harry Black on May 09, 2016, 11:52:34 AM
Cool! I assumed as much but would have felt like an asshole if the next post was "My legs dont work anymore!"
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Post by: Johnny Slick on May 09, 2016, 11:59:53 AM
Cool! I assumed as much but would have felt like an asshole if the next post was "My legs dont work anymore!"
Haha. "I FEEL THE BURNSAUCE SO MUCH I AM PARALYZED FROM THE WAIST DOWN".

Seriously though, even when I do/did work out my legs, I rarely worked them to the point of failure like I did last night. Regular barbell squats are scary to fail on, even in an Allen rack, and as I don't work out with a partner to spot me I have to be wary of those failure states. Split squats, though, apparently those will assassinate your legs all by themselves, and all that happens when you fail is you take longer to stand up.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 09, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
Yeah, going until failure is not a luxury I have.
Also, its impossible for me to fail at anything so its just not practical.
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Post by: Billzbub on May 09, 2016, 01:26:39 PM
I got an elliptical on Friday free from my company as a 15-year reward.  Assembling it was work out enough, but I actually got to use it last night.  I figured I'd put on a 22 minute long show on the TV, set the resistance to zero, and make it through the whole show.  I was wrong.  Apparently I can ellipticate for only about 2.5 minutes at a time.  I ended up getting in 8 minutes by the end of the program.  The good news is that none of my parts that hurt when I walk hurt when I ellipticalize.  I'm looking forward to reaching my 22 minute goal.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 09, 2016, 02:14:23 PM
I got an elliptical on Friday free from my company as a 15-year reward.  Assembling it was work out enough, but I actually got to use it last night.  I figured I'd put on a 22 minute long show on the TV, set the resistance to zero, and make it through the whole show.  I was wrong.  Apparently I can ellipticate for only about 2.5 minutes at a time.  I ended up getting in 8 minutes by the end of the program.  The good news is that none of my parts that hurt when I walk hurt when I ellipticalize.  I'm looking forward to reaching my 22 minute goal.
This is awesome.
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Post by: Billzbub on May 10, 2016, 10:43:57 AM
I got an elliptical on Friday free from my company as a 15-year reward.  Assembling it was work out enough, but I actually got to use it last night.  I figured I'd put on a 22 minute long show on the TV, set the resistance to zero, and make it through the whole show.  I was wrong.  Apparently I can ellipticate for only about 2.5 minutes at a time.  I ended up getting in 8 minutes by the end of the program.  The good news is that none of my parts that hurt when I walk hurt when I ellipticalize.  I'm looking forward to reaching my 22 minute goal.

My second attempt on the elliptical went much better.  I was able to get in about 12 minutes during the show (Robotech season 3), and then after about an hour of feeling like a sissy, I did 5 minutes straight, for a grand total of 17 minutes.  So far, it is my legs giving out before my cardio, so for me the elliptical is going to be strength training for a couple of weeks before it switches to cardio training.

The good news is that I love doing it so far.  Today is a slow round of disc golf after work (about two miles of walking over 2 hours), and I'm curious to see if use the elliptical I when I get home or not.
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Post by: daniel1948 on May 10, 2016, 07:00:05 PM
Tip #32 for ageing athletes:  Don't take a fortnight off whole body exercise.  It's a hard restart.

Ain't that the truth!!!

I'm just getting back to jogging and exercycling after an extended cough/cold. It's hard.
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Post by: xenu on May 10, 2016, 08:41:22 PM
Tip #32 for ageing athletes:  Don't take a fortnight off whole body exercise.  It's a hard restart.

Ain't that the truth!!!

I'm just getting back to jogging and exercycling after an extended cough/cold. It's hard.

Just start slow. That's what I do.
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Post by: daniel1948 on May 11, 2016, 12:06:01 PM
Tip #32 for ageing athletes:  Don't take a fortnight off whole body exercise.  It's a hard restart.

Ain't that the truth!!!

I'm just getting back to jogging and exercycling after an extended cough/cold. It's hard.

Just start slow. That's what I do.

Yep.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 18, 2016, 05:59:32 PM
35minute session of pull ups and push ups.
Now in the middle of an intense chocolate muffin, coffee cake, grapes and pineapple workout.
I refuse to give up, I can get through this!
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Post by: xenu on May 18, 2016, 06:14:41 PM
Well no upper body work out for a month. This dam shoulder is killing me. Doc said its a tendon inflammation. It sucks. It cramps up so much that is wakes me up in the middle of the night and I can't get to sleep. Walking around it doesn't bother me at all. Just when I lay down and then only after about 2 hours.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 18, 2016, 06:17:52 PM
That sucks man. We dont realise how much we rely on hips and shoulders until they play up!
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Post by: lonely moa on May 19, 2016, 01:28:42 AM
Shoulders are convincing evidence that there is no god... or she is a real bastard.
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Post by: xenu on May 19, 2016, 08:03:33 AM
I wonder if our shoulder are the same design as primates and I wonder if they have the same issues as we do?
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Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2016, 08:24:12 AM
I think we tend to use ours in far different ways. I cant think of any primate that pushes significant weight above their heads or does multiple repititions of high energy movements like tennis strokes, punches or swimming as humans do. We also tend to sit in certain positions for long periods of time with arms outstretched while typing, biking or driving.
I think one ball and socket joint is much the same as another but we really push ours for value for money.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 25, 2016, 05:27:21 PM
Some...interesting new exercises
https://youtu.be/mGyjNQOJVxE
Its amusing how close  this and broscience are to actual people.
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Post by: GodSlayer on May 26, 2016, 07:20:14 AM
Some...interesting new exercises
https://youtu.be/mGyjNQOJVxE
Its amusing how close  this and broscience are to actual people.

I like how the deadlift ends with them just leaving their weights out and buggering off :)
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Post by: Harry Black on May 26, 2016, 05:36:58 PM
Some...interesting new exercises
https://youtu.be/mGyjNQOJVxE
Its amusing how close  this and broscience are to actual people.

I like how the deadlift ends with them just leaving their weights out and buggering off :)
Thats correct protocol. How else are people supposed to know that someone lifted that big while they werent there?!

Anyway todays thought- Still havent quite found the perfect taping pattern for my new running shoes. My whole toe is basically an open wound.
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Post by: DG on May 26, 2016, 09:17:25 PM
That clip is awesome.

Unrelated - I'm planning to head back to the gym after a 2 week hiatus due to a virus (damn head cold). I expect it to be a fairly light session as I ease back into it. I'm also not 100%, so I will take it very easy on the elliptical.
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Post by: lonely moa on May 29, 2016, 01:44:37 AM
I could start a skiing thread, but it might be lonely.

Anyway, the season started today for me (a fortnight before the ski hill opens); we were a bit tinny overall and everything worked out well enough for a couple of wonderful runs in the powder with my good buddy and colleague.   I did set off a small slab at the start of the last run, but hey, I didn't get caught and the snow was delightful.

A bit shattered; a short black, a shot of Glenlivet and a nap, I am ready to cook tea and have a big sleep... hamstrings destroyed. 

(http://i.imgur.com/1Bk9ZOk.jpg)
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Post by: lonely moa on June 03, 2016, 03:44:24 PM
Back to the real world

(http://i.imgur.com/LwnOYI2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WeSI2Zd.jpg)

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Post by: Karyn on June 03, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
You do telemark?
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Post by: lonely moa on June 03, 2016, 05:54:29 PM
You do telemark?

I used to, and occasionally have a day on the skifield.  Backcountry I exclusively used a parallel turn with my free heel bindings, as it is easier, more energy efficient, safer, etc. I swapped to alpine touring gear a few years ago, lighter, safer, easier, climbs more efficiently... and I got a bit of stick whilst teaching professional avalanche courses using them.  One doesn't want to be caught in the white death with anything stuck to ones feet. 

Nikki did a few tellies for the camera as her knees don't actually like her doing them anymore.  Mary and Gilda are both using AT gear.

I have been using Plum for the last couple of years, the bindings are great but the brakes are shit.  Good old Dynafits are probably the ones.   I have a pair of those on my rather old and battered all mountain skis, both of which still work well but those old 7 Summit skis demand constant attention to one's technique (or punishment is meted out), whereas the BD Aspects allow for a bit more of a casual style; point your feet downhill and act like you know what you're doing.  I can do a hundred very symmetric turns in a row with them on soft, steep snow without much thought other than bliss.
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Post by: Karyn on June 03, 2016, 06:07:37 PM
You do telemark?

I used to, and occasionally have a day on the skifield.  Backcountry I exclusively used a parallel turn with my free heel bindings, as it is easier, more energy efficient, safer, etc. I swapped to alpine touring gear a few years ago, lighter, safer, easier, climbs more efficiently... and I got a bit of stick whilst teaching professional avalanche courses using them.  One doesn't want to be caught in the white death with anything stuck to ones feet. 

Nikki did a few tellies for the camera as her knees don't actually like her doing them anymore.  Mary and Gilda are both using AT gear.

I have been using Plum for the last couple of years, the bindings are great but the brakes are shit.  Good old Dynafits are probably the ones.   I have a pair of those on my rather old and battered all mountain skis, both of which still work well but those old 7 Summit skis demand constant attention to one's technique (or punishment is meted out), whereas the BD Aspects allow for a bit more of a casual style; point your feet downhill and act like you know what you're doing.  I can do a hundred very symmetric turns in a row with them on soft, steep snow without much thought other than bliss.

I don't see the telemarks too often where I'm skiing, but I'm not good enough to do any back country yet, though I might get to that next year.  I went from barely making it down greens this year to barely making blacks, so I think I should have it down if the weather keeps us buried next winter.  I've  only ever skiid on one type of ski, and those skis were built for someone taller and heavier than me.  Hoping to demo a bunch of different stuff next year and blow a small fortune on some skis and a plate that will let me switch bindings. I'm also probably going to be taking some avalanche courses as soon as the season starts.  I know too many people who have been killed wandering around the wilderness by themselves in these parts.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 03, 2016, 07:08:41 PM
Avalanche course; great idea.  I started with a two night, two full day recreational course and guess what happened.  You'll note that a lot of avalanche safety is now a grounding in heuristics.  You can learn to choose safe terrain, but you can never be certain of snow stability and you can always make a bad call. Mother Nature is a hard mistress.  I have lost three kiwi colleagues who were all experts to the white death.

Get skis that are no longer than you (a little shorter would be better). I'd suggest 90-100mm underfoot and maybe 110-120 at the tips and tails.  Oh, and reasonably soft flex with good torsional stability. I f you buy touring boots, modern ones can have a changeable toe so you could use the two pin touring bindings (don't get any other, every binding manufacturer makes them now) and on standard fixed heel alpine bindings.  Boots are bloody dear... shop around.
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 03, 2016, 11:06:23 PM
where you skiiing?

bunch of us are going over to Methven tomorrow for fire-spinning* at the 'lighting up ceremony' thing for the opening of Mt Hutt's season.
*I've just finished making myself a DYI pair of LED nun-chucks :)
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Post by: lonely moa on June 03, 2016, 11:56:50 PM
where you skiiing?

bunch of us are going over to Methven tomorrow for fire-spinning* at the 'lighting up ceremony' thing for the opening of Mt Hutt's season.
*I've just finished making myself a DYI pair of LED nun-chucks :)

Mt Hutt.  Nicest when it isn't open, in a way.

I'll have to check it out.  Sounds dangerous.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 07, 2016, 05:44:46 PM
Thinkin Im gona do some light calorie reduction for a week and get some pointier edges for my visiting lady friend.

Ive been slowly extending my run distances and trying not to fret too much about pace. Its been rewarding.

Im also up to a squat weight Im happy with but trying to work on my grip so I can deadlift more.
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Post by: Desert Fox on June 07, 2016, 07:14:53 PM
I usually walk 5 to 6 miles day. Bought a used kayak for $80 however and started kayaking.
Kayaked about 2 1/2 hours yesterday.
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Post by: DG on June 07, 2016, 08:19:52 PM
Happy to be back at the gym after 2 weeks unwell.

Happy with the progress I am making with some weights, not so much with others. Chest press, seated row and tricep dips have had significant gains in the weight I am using, no gains in the lateral raises. Pecs tend to hurt for about 3 days after the chest press (in that good hard workout kind of way), but I dont tend to feel that in any of the other muscle groups.

Also, I feel that I use the wrong muscles when doing the lat pull down on the machine, I feel the work more in my arms and  tops of my shoulders rather than back and back of shoulders. I suppose that could be that the "weakest" muscles in the set (and the limiting factor in my reps) are those shoulder muscles. 

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Post by: Harry Black on June 09, 2016, 01:26:51 PM
Found my deadlift 1 rep max.
Its encouraging to be able to do that but I am taking it very slowly and carefully. Im doing most of my lifts @ around 70%.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 09, 2016, 02:36:17 PM
Three days of rock climbing with the Outdoor Ed at college.   I had a great time and did a few leads but the four level III kids really shined.  They took it seriously, climbed well, learned a lot and were pretty mature out there for year twelves. 

Pretty cool wx; bright sunshine snow about and a nice little microclimate where we were climbing. As good as it gets for nearly the shortest day.
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Post by: Desert Fox on June 09, 2016, 08:22:09 PM
I Kayaked for about 2.5 hours today again
I had my cell phone set to measure my distance / time but overheated and shut off I believe the GPS function.
Only measured 30 minutes of the kayaking. Thinking that maybe i could stick it in my cooler?
I have it in a waterproof case and wonder if that allowed it to get to warm while running its GPS?
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Post by: Harry Black on June 09, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
Sometimes those apps just go a bit buggy. Mine crapped out after 20minutes running the other day, it was infuriating.
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Post by: xenu on June 10, 2016, 09:20:20 AM
Found my deadlift 1 rep max.
Its encouraging to be able to do that but I am taking it very slowly and carefully. Im doing most of my lifts @ around 70%.

I'm working at about 80% max. I'm doing 3/4 reps for 5 sets. Now if I can only keep from getting injured at this rip old age.
Shoulder is still killing me. Looks like its back to the doc.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 10, 2016, 09:29:10 AM
Found my deadlift 1 rep max.
Its encouraging to be able to do that but I am taking it very slowly and carefully. Im doing most of my lifts @ around 70%.

I'm working at about 80% max. I'm doing 3/4 reps for 5 sets. Now if I can only keep from getting injured at this rip old age.
Shoulder is still killing me. Looks like its back to the doc.
I tend to aim for a 20-30minute workout so I just keep doing sets til I hit that. Id rather progress more slowly but far on the safe side than be tempted to start pushing for the ability to get an extra 10kg off the ground. I might get up to 90% in most sessions. Maybe I could up to 80% for the majority? Im feeling pretty fresh today.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 10, 2016, 03:01:40 PM
I'm still doing an amount of weight that  can do two or three sets of three with good form, then two or three sets of two and maybe a couple of ones.  Just twenty seconds or so between sets.  Usually just three or four exercises and maybe a gym bike Tabata or some box jumps. 

Hopefully, conditions at the ski field will improve after it opens this weekend and I can waste more time up there.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 10, 2016, 03:11:26 PM
I take  longer between sets, just so I feel like Im doing perfect technique and shifting more weight.
6 reps at about 125% body weight for a good 5 sets is probably what it works out at. Plus 2 sets of 3 at a heavier weight plus 2 or 3 sets to warm up.
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Post by: Desert Fox on June 10, 2016, 04:23:55 PM
Sometimes those apps just go a bit buggy. Mine crapped out after 20minutes running the other day, it was infuriating.

I hate when I just finished mowing the lawn for two hours and does not even count it because it decided to hang up  :(
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Post by: Harry Black on June 10, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
Sometimes those apps just go a bit buggy. Mine crapped out after 20minutes running the other day, it was infuriating.

I hate when I just finished mowing the lawn for two hours and does not even count it because it decided to hang up  :(
Heart rate could be a handy metric for lawnmowing?
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Post by: Desert Fox on June 10, 2016, 04:37:40 PM
Heart rate could be a handy metric for lawnmowing?

I do a lot of walking and mowing the lawn at least counts as walking
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Post by: Harry Black on June 10, 2016, 04:39:21 PM
Heart rate could be a handy metric for lawnmowing?

I do a lot of walking and mowing the lawn at least counts as walking
Walking while pushing weight.
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Post by: AQB24712 on June 10, 2016, 05:04:10 PM
Heart rate could be a handy metric for lawnmowing?

I do a lot of walking and mowing the lawn at least counts as walking
Walking while pushing weight.

Like a MAN.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 10, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
Heart rate could be a handy metric for lawnmowing?

I do a lot of walking and mowing the lawn at least counts as walking
Walking while pushing weight.

Like a MAN.
Or not
https://youtu.be/gebiV5XYxPU
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Post by: Desert Fox on June 10, 2016, 05:40:28 PM
Like a MAN.

I just try to keep reasonably active  :-\
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 11, 2016, 02:47:14 AM
I'm not pushing my luck, but I've pretty much got my muscle-up back (meaning the inflammatory nerve injury thing I had in my wrist has finally subsided and now I feel myself tweaking it very minimally very rarely.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 11, 2016, 02:00:47 PM
I'm not pushing my luck, but I've pretty much got my muscle-up back (meaning the inflammatory nerve injury thing I had in my wrist has finally subsided and now I feel myself tweaking it very minimally very rarely.

Lucky.  Wrists and hands can be a bugger.
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 12, 2016, 04:37:19 AM
I'm not pushing my luck, but I've pretty much got my muscle-up back (meaning the inflammatory nerve injury thing I had in my wrist has finally subsided and now I feel myself tweaking it very minimally very rarely.

Lucky.  Wrists and hands can be a bugger.

yep.

every now and then I do something and I'm reminded of the detached ligament in my thumb from early last year. the flexibility still hasn't returned, but it's no longer something I have to really worry about.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on June 16, 2016, 01:28:21 PM
I take  longer between sets, just so I feel like Im doing perfect technique and shifting more weight.
6 reps at about 125% body weight for a good 5 sets is probably what it works out at. Plus 2 sets of 3 at a heavier weight plus 2 or 3 sets to warm up.
I keep hearing that the latest science is behind more sets with fewer reps. Currently I do 3 sets of 8 for everything except core stuff (crunches are in the "as much as I can do" range, which is now 3 sets of 20 because I am fat and flabby, sit-ups are 3 sets of 10 because of the other thing and also the way I'm doing them (legs extended and not moving at all, ideally anyway)) and legs (4 sets of 10-12 on split squats, lunges, and calf curls on leg day). Maybe I should look into more sets/fewer reps, I dunno. It's not like I'm feeling like I didn't hit the various body parts hard enough when I'm done with them so maybe I'll wait another month or so for when it's time to switch things up anyway.

Still frustrated as always with military presses. My frozen shoulder which I don't stretch out enough still hurts whenever I do them. It's beginning to hurt less but I'm still able to lift very little on those things. It's painful but since the doctor said that the pain isn't pointing to any structural damage I play through it (although that's part of the issue - since there is a constant amount of pain coming from my right shoulder when I do military presses, it's hard to tell if/when I've hit a point where I could actually be doing damage to said shoulder, so I really have no choice but to take it easy). On the other hand, I've never been a big fan of military presses for whatever reason and the timing of these (I do my sets after I'm done doing bench presses and inclined flys) means that the muscles supporting my delts are pretty tired already, so maybe it's fine...
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Post by: xenu on June 16, 2016, 05:55:50 PM
I do 5 sets of 5 with everything except Back(pull ups,lat pulls,rows) From what I understand you should do higher reps for back then other stuff.
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Post by: DG on June 16, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
When I do crunches I can do about 20 in the first set then, after about 60 seconds, I can do another 10-15 and after another 60 seconds, I struggle to do another 5.

I also hate planking. I have no abdominal strength at all...
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Post by: lonely moa on June 17, 2016, 04:51:52 AM
3x10 box jumps
3x3, 3x2 3x1 overhead press
ditto back squats and front squats
3x10 pullups (neutral grip)
2x3 dead lifts.

Functional, thirty minutes.  Should have done a bicycle Tabata, though.
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 17, 2016, 11:38:38 AM
I keep hearing that the latest science is behind more sets with fewer reps.

for what?
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 17, 2016, 11:39:23 AM
When I do crunches I can do about 20 in the first set then, after about 60 seconds, I can do another 10-15 and after another 60 seconds, I struggle to do another 5.

total opposite for me.
the first set always sucked the worst. (but I also did like 3-minute rest breaks, not 60 second.)

I also hate planking. I have no abdominal strength at all...

planking sucks (good exercise though), all you can do is play good music and dig deep :P
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Post by: Johnny Slick on June 17, 2016, 12:05:52 PM
When I do crunches I can do about 20 in the first set then, after about 60 seconds, I can do another 10-15 and after another 60 seconds, I struggle to do another 5.

I also hate planking. I have no abdominal strength at all...
Admittedly, my form is way, way better on the first set than it is the third...
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Post by: Harry Black on June 17, 2016, 05:59:55 PM
Was too busy for a proper session today. I had time in the eve but i was zonked.
Got a 10minute circuit done at 10:30pm while watching tv though, I feel like something is better than nothing. That seems to have worked out so far.
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Post by: daniel1948 on June 17, 2016, 10:36:41 PM
I saw the orthopedist's P.A. today and got the okay to ride the exercise bike. Also walking is permitted. And with the staples out, I can finally take showers. No jogging, though, and probably not for a long time. Obviously, no upper body work. I'm looking forward to riding the exercise bike tomorrow. I don't like the thing, but at least it's exercise.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 18, 2016, 11:33:12 AM
I saw the orthopedist's P.A. today and got the okay to ride the exercise bike. Also walking is permitted. And with the staples out, I can finally take showers. No jogging, though, and probably not for a long time. Obviously, no upper body work. I'm looking forward to riding the exercise bike tomorrow. I don't like the thing, but at least it's exercise.
Do you listen to podcasts while you train? When I have to use boring machines like that, I often bring a tablet with a movie on it.
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Post by: daniel1948 on June 18, 2016, 03:03:35 PM
I saw the orthopedist's P.A. today and got the okay to ride the exercise bike. Also walking is permitted. And with the staples out, I can finally take showers. No jogging, though, and probably not for a long time. Obviously, no upper body work. I'm looking forward to riding the exercise bike tomorrow. I don't like the thing, but at least it's exercise.
Do you listen to podcasts while you train? When I have to use boring machines like that, I often bring a tablet with a movie on it.

I find that it's hard to pay attention to substantive content while exercising, as my mind wanders. On the exercise bike I listen to music (usually Bach, sometimes jazz or reggae, favoring brisk tempos) and I have a slideshow of hiking pictures on the tablet to look at. On the treadmill I watch nature videos either with the sound, or with music instead, or rarely a movie.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 18, 2016, 03:08:23 PM
I saw the orthopedist's P.A. today and got the okay to ride the exercise bike. Also walking is permitted. And with the staples out, I can finally take showers. No jogging, though, and probably not for a long time. Obviously, no upper body work. I'm looking forward to riding the exercise bike tomorrow. I don't like the thing, but at least it's exercise.
Do you listen to podcasts while you train? When I have to use boring machines like that, I often bring a tablet with a movie on it.

I find that it's hard to pay attention to substantive content while exercising, as my mind wanders. On the exercise bike I listen to music (usually Bach, sometimes jazz or reggae, favoring brisk tempos) and I have a slideshow of hiking pictures on the tablet to look at. On the treadmill I watch nature videos either with the sound, or with music instead, or rarely a movie.
Well the details arent that important. I find conversation or complicated stuff off putting if I enjoy the activity. I like to distract myself and put my legs on automatic if I dont.
At least you have something to distract you while you do the thing you dont like!
Kudos for looking for alternatives, Ive seen so often that friends of mine got an injury or their preferred activity became undoable for a few months and it turned into a life altering setback once fitness started to deteriorate and they never came back from it.
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Post by: daniel1948 on June 18, 2016, 05:44:41 PM
I saw the orthopedist's P.A. today and got the okay to ride the exercise bike. Also walking is permitted. And with the staples out, I can finally take showers. No jogging, though, and probably not for a long time. Obviously, no upper body work. I'm looking forward to riding the exercise bike tomorrow. I don't like the thing, but at least it's exercise.
Do you listen to podcasts while you train? When I have to use boring machines like that, I often bring a tablet with a movie on it.

I find that it's hard to pay attention to substantive content while exercising, as my mind wanders. On the exercise bike I listen to music (usually Bach, sometimes jazz or reggae, favoring brisk tempos) and I have a slideshow of hiking pictures on the tablet to look at. On the treadmill I watch nature videos either with the sound, or with music instead, or rarely a movie.
Well the details arent that important. I find conversation or complicated stuff off putting if I enjoy the activity. I like to distract myself and put my legs on automatic if I dont.
At least you have something to distract you while you do the thing you dont like!
Kudos for looking for alternatives, Ive seen so often that friends of mine got an injury or their preferred activity became undoable for a few months and it turned into a life altering setback once fitness started to deteriorate and they never came back from it.

I don't enjoy any of the exercises I can do at home. But I like the feel of being in good physical condition, and the price of that is exercise. It's a cheap price to pay to feel good. I'm not strong like most of the folks who post here. Before I broke my arm I could do 3 to 5 pushups; I could maybe do one pull-up; I could clean and jerk the bar with no weights on it. I could run 3 miles on a good day, in about 38 minutes. But I could hike all day long up and down the sides of mountains. For an old fart I'm in pretty good shape. And exercising at home is what I have to do to maintain that.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 18, 2016, 10:26:55 PM
When I as recovering from supraspinatus repair,  did a lot of walking.  First just in and out of town, 10kms flat every day.  Then I did 7 or 8 kms on the local mtb track, probably about 200m up and down, but no worries about tripping and further injury.  The last couple of weeks the local trail in the reserve was on... lots of vertical, maybe 5-6kms but a little more risky; I felt fine with that.  When one is over 60, one needs to be a bit conservative.
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 26, 2016, 02:49:51 AM
I don't know where else this belongs

seen shared on a local 'health and fitness professional's facebook page:

(http://i.imgur.com/PO1qKNW.jpg)
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Post by: lonely moa on June 26, 2016, 03:01:17 AM
Dallas and Melissa are major paleo diet people.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 28, 2016, 07:40:01 AM
I don't know where else this belongs

seen shared on a local 'health and fitness professional's facebook page:

(http://i.imgur.com/PO1qKNW.jpg)
That seems like a great poster for motivating an anxiety fueled shame spiral....
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Post by: kendranoelle on June 29, 2016, 09:25:09 PM
Starting to get back into yoga. I had fallen off the wagon so hard. Somethings are easier now than others like I'm getting my heels closer to the ground with straighter legs in my downward doges- but other things still suck donkey nuts (basically if it involves balancing, shit ain't gonna happen.

I have kind of laid off on pole. I hadn't been happy with my current studio and am preparing to start taking regular classes at another one. I also ordered a pole for home to practice on- which may increase my motivation to work out (i.e. doing strength drills and practicing free dancing and tricks) using it since it's right here rather than driving across town for class (though I'll still take classes).

I have also gained back an undesired amount of weight (stress-eatng from job hunt and interviewing and finally the whole process about the job offer + quitting my old job, celebratory eating for when I got my new job, then just being a slothful asshole who just wouldn't go to work out because exhausted from my new job because it's so much to learn. So I started my calorie restriction but I upped my protein and veggie intake in order to build muscle which has led me to find some really tasty meals to make (and reminding me of my love for cottage cheese). While I'm not going LCHF- I'm just avoiding grain-items because I have virtually no self control and WILL EAT IT ALL.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 29, 2016, 11:41:59 PM
A solid, intense, but short gym after a 16 hour fast. I really like it.  Just starting to get hungry before the first round of box jumps, or whatever, and the next hunger comes as I prepare a rather giant and delightful breakfast at 1600.  Had a few pintos in the mix today.  Went well with the gift of homegrown/made salsa a mate gave me.  Yum.
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Post by: Karyn on June 30, 2016, 12:24:06 PM
Cancelled my gym membership and personal training today.  It's hard for me to keep PT appointments because my health and energy levels are so variable from day to day.  I already have workout equipment in my basement, so I'm going to focus on working out when I do feel good, at a pace I'm comfortable with.  I'm trying to stay active and healthy, but sometimes my body thwarts me with chronic pain.  I think I've been in pain for 4 years straight, and I'm trying really hard to make it stop.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 30, 2016, 02:03:07 PM
Cancelled my gym membership and personal training today.  It's hard for me to keep PT appointments because my health and energy levels are so variable from day to day.  I already have workout equipment in my basement, so I'm going to focus on working out when I do feel good, at a pace I'm comfortable with.  I'm trying to stay active and healthy, but sometimes my body thwarts me with chronic pain.  I think I've been in pain for 4 years straight, and I'm trying really hard to make it stop.

Do you practice yoga?   I find it helps with painful orthopaedic issues.  I have many; too much fun, maybe.
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Post by: Karyn on June 30, 2016, 02:05:27 PM
Cancelled my gym membership and personal training today.  It's hard for me to keep PT appointments because my health and energy levels are so variable from day to day.  I already have workout equipment in my basement, so I'm going to focus on working out when I do feel good, at a pace I'm comfortable with.  I'm trying to stay active and healthy, but sometimes my body thwarts me with chronic pain.  I think I've been in pain for 4 years straight, and I'm trying really hard to make it stop.

Do you practice yoga?   I find it helps with painful orthopaedic issues.  I have many; too much fun, maybe.
People keep telling me to take up yoga.  I'm seriously considering it.  I think it would do me a lot of good, but finding the time to do something like that would be difficult.  Maybe I just need to take a few classes where they correct my positioning and then go off on my own.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 30, 2016, 02:10:02 PM
Im sure yoga is great. But how has a science based alternative not popped up yet?
Everytime I do it, I just cant get over the idea that the poses were invented before we even knew how the body was constructed.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 30, 2016, 02:57:34 PM
Cancelled my gym membership and personal training today.  It's hard for me to keep PT appointments because my health and energy levels are so variable from day to day.  I already have workout equipment in my basement, so I'm going to focus on working out when I do feel good, at a pace I'm comfortable with.  I'm trying to stay active and healthy, but sometimes my body thwarts me with chronic pain.  I think I've been in pain for 4 years straight, and I'm trying really hard to make it stop.

Do you practice yoga?   I find it helps with painful orthopaedic issues.  I have many; too much fun, maybe.
People keep telling me to take up yoga.  I'm seriously considering it.  I think it would do me a lot of good, but finding the time to do something like that would be difficult.  Maybe I just need to take a few classes where they correct my positioning and then go off on my own.

I attend one class a week.  It inspires me to do a bit qt home.  One learns which poses and routines are most helpful. Great for back and shoulder mobility.  I am currently focussing on hamstring, glut and knees.  Quite a good adjunct to rock climbing, skiing and ski touring.

My class averages about 15 people.  I seem to be the only male and the oldest in the class.  It is comfortably social and I guess I like being in the company of women that care enough about themselves to attend. 

One doesn't need a randomised, placebo controlled trial to demonstrate that yoga makes one look, feel and perform better, btw.
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 30, 2016, 04:30:57 PM
made a progress vid of my newest fitness hobbie/obsession (not trying to do all the ninja'y poses that make for a good performance, just working on techniques and seeing how my new chucks looked on camera.)
https://youtu.be/Rme7D8iIu3c
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Post by: Harry Black on June 30, 2016, 04:38:09 PM

One doesn't need a randomised, placebo controlled trial to demonstrate that yoga makes one look, feel and perform better, btw.
Well those are all very different and very specific claims.
I guess it depends on what one classes as good enough evidence doesnt it?
Im pretty sure its mostly safe but Ive known some yoga teachers who hadnt a clue how the body works so I guess it would depend on that to some degree?
I dont really know what their standards and regulations are so I just steer clear as a personal preference.
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Post by: daniel1948 on June 30, 2016, 06:28:05 PM
For me, yoga is stretching and strengthening, the latter using the body's own weight. While pre-scientific people didn't understand how the body works, stretching and strengthening were not hard to figure out. I believe it's accepted science that stretching and strengthening are good for health. Beyond that, I'd call bogus on specific claims and the spiritual mumbo-jumbo that often goes along with it.

I've done yoga in the past, when I had access to good classes. I'm too lazy these days to do more than a few minutes a day of yoga-inspired stretching.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 30, 2016, 06:40:02 PM
For me, yoga is stretching and strengthening, the latter using the body's own weight. While pre-scientific people didn't understand how the body works, stretching and strengthening were not hard to figure out. I believe it's accepted science that stretching and strengthening are good for health. Beyond that, I'd call bogus on specific claims and the spiritual mumbo-jumbo that often goes along with it.

I've done yoga in the past, when I had access to good classes. I'm too lazy these days to do more than a few minutes a day of yoga-inspired stretching.
Well exactly. Stretching isnt rocket science.
But some of the poses are very intricate and I have no idea if building up to them would be safe for me with my spinal history and no one telling me that it is safe seems to have much other than "people have been doing it for centuries and its fine".
Doing any exercise with incorrect form can result in injury but I dont know which of the poses have been evaluated by someone with an indepth medical knowledge and approved as the correct form.
If I had to bet, Id say its all of them because its been around so long and so many doctors and scientists do it.
But I dont know for sure so I just stick to the stretches I got from my physio and gymnastics coach. A relapse of my previous injury would be catastrophic for me.

I might check out William Broads book and see if it changes my mind.
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Post by: daniel1948 on June 30, 2016, 08:07:57 PM
Okay. I use my own judgement, since I can usually tell if something is hurting. Yoga instructors are not, in my experience, reliable sources on that, since many believe that, being "natural," everything about yoga is good. I, e.g., cannot do inversions, no matter what an instructor says. Do be skeptical, and like any stretching, don't do it if it hurts.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 30, 2016, 08:35:38 PM
Sometimes it doesnt hurt until its far too late though.
I dont think Im missing much in any case.
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Post by: lonely moa on June 30, 2016, 10:51:28 PM
I've been doing yoga (classes on and off) for 45 years.  I think I can sort out the wheat from the chaff.

It also happens to be a lot safer than most of the things I do/have done for work and play.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 01, 2016, 03:05:08 AM
I've been doing yoga (classes on and off) for 45 years.  I think I can sort out the wheat from the chaff.

It also happens to be a lot safer than most of the things I do/have done for work and play.
Dude. Good for you.
Ive done yoga for 45minutes. I cant.
Im not saying you shouldnt do it or recommend it.
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Post by: daniel1948 on July 01, 2016, 07:06:11 AM
I wish I had the self-discipline to do more yoga than just my brief stretching.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 01, 2016, 10:15:50 AM
Spent an hour this morning on the trampoline with my young cousins. The girl is able to do backflips right across the bloody thing!
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Post by: xenu on July 01, 2016, 11:43:47 AM
Spent an hour this morning on the trampoline with my young cousins. The girl is able to do backflips right across the bloody thing!

I hate young people......... ;)   :D
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Post by: Harry Black on July 01, 2016, 12:21:08 PM
Spent an hour this morning on the trampoline with my young cousins. The girl is able to do backflips right across the bloody thing!

I hate young people......... ;)   :D
She cant reach the top shelf of the fridge to make her own juice though, so whos laughing now?!
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Post by: Harry Black on July 01, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
Was about to start up Dark Souls but I suddenly thought "Better do a quick run"
5k and a 10 min sprint session and now I feel totally justified!
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 02, 2016, 06:16:11 PM
Was about to start up Dark Souls but I suddenly thought "Better do a quick run"
5k and a 10 min sprint session and now I feel totally justified!


wow, that game makes it almost impossible to get youtube or google results of my favorite Sinner song: Dark Soul!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNhue0bfmig&index=6&list=PLdZg54s1IiJ2QaQLbyiEK8YhPRkXzKeLw
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Post by: lonely moa on July 02, 2016, 11:04:42 PM
We carried (in four pieces) this bench I built to a favourite lookout, almost an hour up the Awa Awa Reserve, Scott's Saddle track.  We've been meaning to do this for some time.  That's the South Pacific on the horizon. 


(http://i.imgur.com/nyueTMV.jpg)
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 03, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
I spent the afternoon playing with my chucks, and filmed a few progress vids down at the park. hadn't been there in sooooooo long.

I very briefly got my flag as low as it ought to be, finally.
(http://i.imgur.com/odvfjeK.png)
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Post by: Harry Black on July 03, 2016, 08:30:29 AM
I got my parallettes fixed finally. Im two steps back but it feels good to be using them again!
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 03, 2016, 08:35:04 AM
I got my parallettes fixed finally. Im two steps back but it feels good to be using them again!

what happened to them?
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Post by: Harry Black on July 03, 2016, 08:37:37 AM
I got my parallettes fixed finally. Im two steps back but it feels good to be using them again!

what happened to them?
I hadnt glued the joins properly and they broke. Thankfully not while I was inverted  :laugh:
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Post by: Friendly Angel on July 03, 2016, 12:00:01 PM
We carried (in four pieces) this bench I built to a favourite lookout, almost an hour up the Awa Awa Reserve, Scott's Saddle track.  We've been meaning to do this for some time.  That's the South Pacific on the horizon. 


(http://i.imgur.com/nyueTMV.jpg)

That is a great project and beautiful views.  I think you need a concrete pad to secure the bench though.
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Post by: daniel1948 on July 03, 2016, 04:15:03 PM
Rode the exercise bike for half an hour today, which is 2/3 my normal time, at around 90% of the speed I normally do. It was hard to do even that, and really felt good. For the past week or so I've been taking walks of 3 to 4 miles. It's going to be a long, slow recovery.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 03, 2016, 10:45:02 PM
We carried (in four pieces) this bench I built to a favourite lookout, almost an hour up the Awa Awa Reserve, Scott's Saddle track.  We've been meaning to do this for some time.  That's the South Pacific on the horizon. 


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That is a great project and beautiful views.  I think you need a concrete pad to secure the bench though.

You might be right; it's just too far to carry what would be needed to do it.  No one will steal it, it weighs about 35kg.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 04, 2016, 01:15:40 AM
I got my parallettes fixed finally. Im two steps back but it feels good to be using them again!

what happened to them?
I hadnt glued the joins properly and they broke. Thankfully not while I was inverted  :laugh:

got any pics for my edification?

I'm guessing they didn't both break at the same time, so worst case is you'd kinda fall one-handedly and pirouette to safety without too much harm to the wrist.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 04, 2016, 04:41:01 AM
I got my parallettes fixed finally. Im two steps back but it feels good to be using them again!

what happened to them?
I hadnt glued the joins properly and they broke. Thankfully not while I was inverted  :laugh:

got any pics for my edification?

I'm guessing they didn't both break at the same time, so worst case is you'd kinda fall one-handedly and pirouette to safety without too much harm to the wrist.
Yeah, I basically just face planted from a pseudo planche push up.
I will get some pics later and stick them up.
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Post by: kendranoelle on July 04, 2016, 12:42:55 PM
Im sure yoga is great. But how has a science based alternative not popped up yet?
Everytime I do it, I just cant get over the idea that the poses were invented before we even knew how the body was constructed.

I just ignore all the spiritual babble (which... probably makes my going to yoga more appropriative blah blah). Sometimes I use what they say as kind of a mental imaging type thing (especially when they yak on about chakras)- in that I focus on that part of my body for what it is and use other mental imagery type things to focus and relax.

Tbh, most of my teachers (especially the more athletically-inclined ones) do spend more time on the postures and the focus on breathing through the difficult ones (which is actually amazingly helpful for other things) as well as using some of the "intention setting" nonsense as more of a focusing point...or at least I do. Sure they do a lot of that spiritual nonsense but in a way there are some of the things that are said that can apply to the real world and I generally just take that in mind.

Note- not trying to talk you into it- just elucidating what precisely I get out of a form of exercise that is based in what's essentially bullshit.

/2cents
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Post by: kendranoelle on July 04, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
I spent the afternoon playing with my chucks, and filmed a few progress vids down at the park. hadn't been there in sooooooo long.

I very briefly got my flag as low as it ought to be, finally.
(http://i.imgur.com/odvfjeK.png)

Dat iron x tho
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Post by: kendranoelle on July 04, 2016, 12:53:43 PM
But yeah- my yoga classes lately have been amazing. I've missed it a lot. My balance is still mostly dreadful but is slowly improving, but I have noticed my balance is actually quite a bit better when I don't take my psych meds before class (...lol...). Especially this morning- I was able to do some of the balancing stuff I did on Saturday that I was a bit wobbly and weak on and was a lot stronger in those poses and transitions than I had been.

I also went on a 21 mile bike ride with some of my former coworkers yesterday. Did a big loop around south Minneapolis around the Chain of Lakes. I was a little unsatisfied with how slow we went in order to accommodate a group of 6 and the inane stops for beer (...c'mon...)- but it was still a good time and I missed seeing a lot of these people. We're planning a 50+ mile ride from either Minneapolis or St. Paul up to Stillwater and back (Stillwater is a town just across the river from Wisconsin). There is a fantastic trail that goes up that way so I'm pretty stoked. I'm not sure when we'll be doing this- we have to accommodate everybody's weekend work schedules (except me who doesn't work weekends so lololol suck iiiiit). I'm hoping to convince a few of them to do a biking-camping trip up to Duluth and back. :D

Didn't pole much last week but that's ok. I'm starting some center barre classes to get some more ballet technique to help with transitions and also tone my thighs and legs to help with balance and such. It should be fun! I'm really looking forward to pretend I'm a ballerina. ;) Luckily there is a pole class right before the barre class that I can take as well so that'll be nice.
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Post by: DG on July 04, 2016, 07:23:11 PM
Finally back to trying to run after my issues with plantar fascitis.

4km in 22 minutes. Terrible, but it was not too bad for a first time out after about 6 months without going for a run. It wasn't at the level of intensity I maintained previously, but I suspect that's a function both of age and break (avg around 155bpm rather than 175bpm when running the same distance in 18 minutes some years back).
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Post by: xenu on July 05, 2016, 10:55:07 AM
Well the doctor said I can start to do pull downs and stuff like that. Shoulder is a little better. This is taking forever to heal. At least it doesn't wake me up at night.
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Post by: Karyn on July 05, 2016, 01:01:12 PM
10 miles on my mountain bike yesterday (It's a really difficult 10 miles.  My average speed was 4.3mph).  I take some pretty technical routes with a lot of up and down.  Holy shit, what a work out.  I had to take several breaks to get my heart rate back down, but overall, the cardiac health is clearly improving.  I only crashed 5 times, and ended up with only one giant bruise. I don't hurt at all today, which is impressive.  I should get out and do that more.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 05, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
This is me with my parallettes.
(http://i.imgur.com/jeCklK0.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/3qfGvnl.png)
This is how far Ive gotten with the planche


(http://i.imgur.com/kTaE1V5.png)
This is the inversion thingy I was on about. I get here from the position in the first pic.

(http://i.imgur.com/uZVSaO1.png)
This is cos I think my bum looks good in this picture.


So not exactly Godslayer standard. But those are the things I was on about!
Edit- sorry about the borders. I hate messing about with photos though!
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Post by: Karyn on July 05, 2016, 06:16:29 PM
This is me with my parallettes.
(http://i.imgur.com/jeCklK0.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/3qfGvnl.png)
This is how far Ive gotten with the planche


(http://i.imgur.com/kTaE1V5.png)
This is the inversion thingy I was on about. I get here from the position in the first pic.

(http://i.imgur.com/uZVSaO1.png)
This is cos I think my bum looks good in this picture.


So not exactly Godslayer standard. But those are the things I was on about!
Edit- sorry about the borders. I hate messing about with photos though!

Can I get those in nekkid?
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Post by: Harry Black on July 05, 2016, 06:51:29 PM
This is me with my parallettes.
(http://i.imgur.com/jeCklK0.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/3qfGvnl.png)
This is how far Ive gotten with the planche


(http://i.imgur.com/kTaE1V5.png)
This is the inversion thingy I was on about. I get here from the position in the first pic.

(http://i.imgur.com/uZVSaO1.png)
This is cos I think my bum looks good in this picture.


So not exactly Godslayer standard. But those are the things I was on about!
Edit- sorry about the borders. I hate messing about with photos though!

Can I get those in nekkid?

I feel like a piece of meat.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 06, 2016, 04:18:46 AM
lookin' good bro :)
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Post by: Harry Black on July 06, 2016, 03:56:58 PM
8.5mile run.
So fucking BORINNNNGGG!!!
Thank christ for podcasts.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 07, 2016, 04:18:24 PM
Really not in the mood for training this weather. I find I can trick myself into a decent session if I do two small, intense sessions back to back.
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Post by: daniel1948 on July 07, 2016, 08:40:08 PM
Managed half an hour on the exercise bike. Right now, that's good.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 07, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
Managed half an hour on the exercise bike. Right now, that's good.
Thats good regardless.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 07, 2016, 10:49:14 PM
Chainsaws and log moving yesterday, too wet today, though, thank dog. That snig chain gets bloody heavy. 

The half hour gym thing today.  Liking it... four minutes on the exercise bike for a Tabata finish.
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Post by: xenu on July 08, 2016, 01:07:54 AM
Anyone use a fitbit? I just bought one and I want to hear your thoughts on it. It is a charge HR
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Post by: Harry Black on July 08, 2016, 05:52:29 AM
Bloody toenails on my big toes have fallen off from running.
Gross.
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Post by: daniel1948 on July 08, 2016, 09:57:51 AM
Managed half an hour on the exercise bike. Right now, that's good.
Thats good regardless.

Before the accident my exercise bike workout was 45 minutes at around 64 rpm average on a setting of 10 on my machine. My pulse would end up around 80% of my theoretical maximum. These days, I've been struggling to do 20 minutes at around 59 rpm, still at a setting of 10, and my pulse barely gets to 70% of my max. So yesterday was really good under the circumstances, but only in the context of recovery from the broken arm.


Anyone use a fitbit? I just bought one and I want to hear your thoughts on it. It is a charge HR

I don't, but I do use a heart-rate monitor. Before getting my present monitor I tried something like a FitBit. But I could not read the numbers while jogging, small and oriented wrong. Without a GPS the FitBit cannot know your distance, and for me that throws everything into question. The people I know who like it seem to use it as motivation, more than for reliable data.

Bloody toenails on my big toes have fallen off from running.
Gross.

Were they too long? I have issues if I let my toenails get too long.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 08, 2016, 10:15:55 AM
30 minutes is a solid session no matter what way you cut it.

As for my toenails, no, I keep them short, they just got repetetively bashed by the inflexible toe of my running shoes. I previously fell in love with nike running shoes and so got some custom made from the website, but they were not up to the standard I had previously enjoyed.
My vanity and toxic masculinity precludes me from buying the annoying garish bright colors that running shoes seem to come in these days so I actually prefer losing body parts to wearing them.
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Post by: Gerbig on July 08, 2016, 03:01:54 PM
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!
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Post by: lonely moa on July 08, 2016, 03:33:18 PM
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!

I'd like to try a hex or trap  bar, one that you get inside.  Supposed to be safer for one's back.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 08, 2016, 03:39:43 PM
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!
Awesome! I just spent a session working mine with light weight to make sure Im still using good form. Video confirmation and all that.
 
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!

I'd like to try a hex or trap  bar, one that you get inside.  Supposed to be safer for one's back.
Ive used them. I think they excell when you are really lifting hard and pushing limits with 1RM etc. But I personally prefer not to use them for general lifting. Cant quite say why....my position doesnt feel natural in them or something.
I bet you could make one in that shed of yours!
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Post by: Karyn on July 08, 2016, 04:01:53 PM
I've been going the opposite direction and trying not to lift so heavy.  I think it's been a big factor in my chronic pain.  At this point, I'm just focusing on keeping the muscle mass I have and keeping healthy.  I'm already apparently quite dense.  I've kept most of my workouts to the cardio side the last few weeks, and I've been forcing myself to relax a lot more.  The constant pain in my neck and shoulders has reduced quite a bit, and now only my left clavicle is sore.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 08, 2016, 04:35:03 PM
  I'm already apparently quite dense. 

Me too. My beautiful wife reminds of that fact daily. 

BTW, have you tried rolling for your shoulders and neck?  I'm in love with my new (hard) roller...
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Post by: Karyn on July 08, 2016, 04:54:30 PM
  I'm already apparently quite dense. 

Me too. My beautiful wife reminds of that fact daily. 

BTW, have you tried rolling for your shoulders and neck?  I'm in love with my new (hard) roller...


I bought a roller recently.  I also dropped my gym membership and personal training and negotiated for fewer hours at work, precisely so I could get more exercise and relaxation.  Rolling out all my sore spots is one thing my last personal trainer suggested to me.
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Post by: xenu on July 08, 2016, 11:02:06 PM
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!

I love that exercise. IMO it is the best all around exercise you can do. I use to have back issues until I started doing dead lifts.
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Post by: xenu on July 08, 2016, 11:06:02 PM
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!

I'd like to try a hex or trap  bar, one that you get inside.  Supposed to be safer for one's back.

The guys at work made one. They loved it. I have never used one so I can't comment on its usability.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on July 09, 2016, 02:22:19 PM
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!

I love that exercise. IMO it is the best all around exercise you can do. I use to have back issues until I started doing dead lifts.

I would have thought that the best all-around exercise you can do would be to exercise "all around the gym," or the equivalent. I.e., work all the muscle groups and some cardio.

That said, with my bad shoulders (even before my accident) I cannot do most upper body exercises, and I lack the discipline. So I fall back on "the best exercise is the one you will do."
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Post by: lonely moa on July 09, 2016, 03:05:06 PM
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!

I love that exercise. IMO it is the best all around exercise you can do. I use to have back issues until I started doing dead lifts.

I would have thought that the best all-around exercise you can do would be to exercise "all around the gym," or the equivalent. I.e., work all the muscle groups and some cardio.

That said, with my bad shoulders (even before my accident) I cannot do most upper body exercises, and I lack the discipline. So I fall back on "the best exercise is the one you will do."

The best exercise one can do depends on one's goals.   Heavy DL's properly done will incorporate a very large number and amount of muscles and groups, as well as increasing coordination and strength.  It is a very functional exercise, compared to, say, bench press (which is performed lying down).  One doesn't need to do any extra "cardio" if one's routine in the gym is comprised of a few, difficult exercises.

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Post by: xenu on July 09, 2016, 03:50:01 PM
Ive been deadlifting fairly heavy for a few weeks now and havent fucked up my back!

I love that exercise. IMO it is the best all around exercise you can do. I use to have back issues until I started doing dead lifts.

I would have thought that the best all-around exercise you can do would be to exercise "all around the gym," or the equivalent. I.e., work all the muscle groups and some cardio.

That said, with my bad shoulders (even before my accident) I cannot do most upper body exercises, and I lack the discipline. So I fall back on "the best exercise is the one you will do."

If you have to pick just one exercise to do then I would pick dead lifts. It uses a lot of muscles on the body. If I had to pick 3 I would do Deads,Military press and pull ups. That would hit about everything.
Back to dead lifts. It is the one lift that you will use through out life. Most of the stuff you do in life is picking stuff up and carrying things. Dead lifts incorporate your back abs shoulders,legs and arms. The one other exercise you can do that is a variation of dead lift is the farmers carry. Just pick up something heavy and walk with it.

Ok I'll stop writing now
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Post by: lonely moa on July 09, 2016, 04:34:45 PM

If you have to pick just one exercise to do then I would pick dead lifts. It uses a lot of muscles on the body. If I had to pick 3 I would do Deads,Military press and pull ups. That would hit about everything.


add some box jumps and that's me.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 10, 2016, 03:43:50 AM
The one other exercise you can do that is a variation of dead lift is the farmers carry. Just pick up something heavy and walk with it.

how heavy is heavy?
'cause as much as I'd like to defend the farmer's walk, there were plenty of out of shape people at my last 'pick up something heavy and carry it' job. (though I guess it depends what you expect an 'in shape' person to be able to accomplish)
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Post by: lonely moa on July 10, 2016, 04:19:31 AM
The one other exercise you can do that is a variation of dead lift is the farmers carry. Just pick up something heavy and walk with it.

how heavy is heavy?
'cause as much as I'd like to defend the farmer's walk, there were plenty of out of shape people at my last 'pick up something heavy and carry it' job. (though I guess it depends what you expect an 'in shape' person to be able to accomplish)

A bag of wheat is 40kg.  I do that often.
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Post by: SkeptiQueer on July 10, 2016, 04:23:00 AM
I have never felt like my deadlifts were right, even with coaching. I always got pain in the base of my spine and tailbone with deadlifts and weighted squats. Switched to lunges to keep my ass in gear, but haven't figured out a good replacement for deadlifts. Big fan of the farmer's walk. It's probably a military/America thing, but various surplus ammunition cans are cheap and common, so it's been simple to fill a few with dirt when the andlord had some removed, and use them as home gym stuff. The .50/5.56 lcans are about the side of a cinder block, .30 caliber cams are a hair shorter and skinnier, good for a goblet press or squat, and i haven't found my own yet but occasionally I can find the mortar and munitions cans after the local NG unit does their annual 2 week training period. About perfect for throwing in a backpack and going to a walk or hike, or for weighing down a sled.

Anyone have recommendations on a heart rate monitor? SO wants to get my one for my birthday, but the fitbit stuff just seems damn expensive when all I want is heart rate and maybe a stopwatch or clock.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 10, 2016, 05:16:04 AM
Big fan of the farmer's walk. It's probably a military/America thing, but various surplus ammunition cans are cheap and common, so it's been simple to fill a few with dirt

now I kinda just wanna see a guy walking down town in a trenchcoat with two boxes of ammo in hand.

'pardon me, which way to the abortion clinic/police station/high school?'
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: SkeptiQueer on July 10, 2016, 05:23:24 AM
Big fan of the farmer's walk. It's probably a military/America thing, but various surplus ammunition cans are cheap and common, so it's been simple to fill a few with dirt

now I kinda just wanna see a guy walking down town in a trenchcoat with two boxes of ammo in hand.

'pardon me, which way to the abortion clinic/police station/high school?'
Nah, silkies and oakleys.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTE4WDc3NQ==/z/eKkAAOSwHnFV7Vx9/$_1.JPG)

I've seen painted up versions at the crossfitteries. I went with skateboard tape and and some basic hiviz krylon because I can't art to save my life.


Shit, there's gotta be a 'gun show' joke here somewhere. Anyway, they're just green metal boxes with handles and some text you wouldn't recognize unless you knew what they meant. At $5-8 for the basic ones, they're cheaper than kettlebells.
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Post by: xenu on July 10, 2016, 08:45:34 AM
The one other exercise you can do that is a variation of dead lift is the farmers carry. Just pick up something heavy and walk with it.

how heavy is heavy?
'cause as much as I'd like to defend the farmer's walk, there were plenty of out of shape people at my last 'pick up something heavy and carry it' job. (though I guess it depends what you expect an 'in shape' person to be able to accomplish)

I would say as heavy as you can lift and walk with without killing yourself. Fitness is also diet. If you don't eat right then all the exercise in the world isn't going to help.   
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Post by: xenu on July 10, 2016, 08:51:48 AM
I have never felt like my deadlifts were right, even with coaching. I always got pain in the base of my spine and tailbone with deadlifts and weighted squats. Switched to lunges to keep my ass in gear, but haven't figured out a good replacement for deadlifts.

I switched to a wider stance on my squats. I was bending over to much and it strained my lower back a lot. I don't have the flexibility in my hips so a wider stance allowed me to keep a better form when I squat. Maybe try front squats? I don't like them but it hits the legs different then back squats.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 10, 2016, 09:54:16 AM
The one other exercise you can do that is a variation of dead lift is the farmers carry. Just pick up something heavy and walk with it.

how heavy is heavy?
'cause as much as I'd like to defend the farmer's walk, there were plenty of out of shape people at my last 'pick up something heavy and carry it' job. (though I guess it depends what you expect an 'in shape' person to be able to accomplish)

I would say as heavy as you can lift and walk with without killing yourself. Fitness is also diet. If you don't eat right then all the exercise in the world isn't going to help.   

to clarify: by out of shape I mean weak and slow, not chubby
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Post by: daniel1948 on July 10, 2016, 10:04:25 AM
...  One doesn't need to do any extra "cardio" if one's routine in the gym is comprised of a few, difficult exercises.

I respectfully disagree. There are benefits of a cardio workout that one does not get from a resistance workout. (And vice versa.)

A bag of wheat is 40kg.  I do that often.

When I was working on the farm here, a bag of wheat was 50 lbs. I could not have managed 40 kg.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 10, 2016, 11:51:59 AM
...  One doesn't need to do any extra "cardio" if one's routine in the gym is comprised of a few, difficult exercises.

I respectfully disagree. There are benefits of a cardio workout that one does not get from a resistance workout. (And vice versa.)

A bag of wheat is 40kg.  I do that often.

When I was working on the farm here, a bag of wheat was 50 lbs. I could not have managed 40 kg.

are we talking one in each hand farmer's walk style, or just carrying one by any means?
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Post by: lonely moa on July 10, 2016, 02:04:33 PM
...  One doesn't need to do any extra "cardio" if one's routine in the gym is comprised of a few, difficult exercises.

I respectfully disagree. There are benefits of a cardio workout that one does not get from a resistance workout. (And vice versa.)

A bag of wheat is 40kg.  I do that often.

When I was working on the farm here, a bag of wheat was 50 lbs. I could not have managed 40 kg.

Barley (seed) came in 80kg bags... glad that's a thing of the past.  Getting that into the drill was a bitch.  Bags of seed for export are mostly 25kg now.

Thirty or forty minutes of aerobic HR is plenty.  With the metabolic increase from heavy weight lifting.. it's more than plenty.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 10, 2016, 02:07:42 PM
...  One doesn't need to do any extra "cardio" if one's routine in the gym is comprised of a few, difficult exercises.

I respectfully disagree. There are benefits of a cardio workout that one does not get from a resistance workout. (And vice versa.)

A bag of wheat is 40kg.  I do that often.


When I was working on the farm here, a bag of wheat was 50 lbs. I could not have managed 40 kg.

are we talking one in each hand farmer's walk style, or just carrying one by any means?

Out of the back of the ute, I just hug it, unless it's more than just taking it into the woolshed, then it's easier to put it on my shoulder.
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Post by: daniel1948 on July 10, 2016, 06:54:30 PM
...  One doesn't need to do any extra "cardio" if one's routine in the gym is comprised of a few, difficult exercises.

I respectfully disagree. There are benefits of a cardio workout that one does not get from a resistance workout. (And vice versa.)

A bag of wheat is 40kg.  I do that often.

When I was working on the farm here, a bag of wheat was 50 lbs. I could not have managed 40 kg.

are we talking one in each hand farmer's walk style, or just carrying one by any means?

Well, for me, I'm talking about carrying one bag. Getting it into or out of the pickup truck, and the hardest thing: lifting it up to pour the seed into the drill. Fortunately, I didn't have to do much handling of grain bags. Before I got the farm-hand job, I asked for a job at the grain elevator. They (wisely) did not hire me, because that job would have involved throwing around a lot of grain bags.
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Post by: Karyn on July 11, 2016, 12:16:52 PM
Anyone have recommendations on a heart rate monitor? SO wants to get my one for my birthday, but the fitbit stuff just seems damn expensive when all I want is heart rate and maybe a stopwatch or clock.

I use the WaHoo chest strap.  It comes with a free app that records your work out, distance, relative elevation, trail map.  The one thing it doesn't do that really frustrates me is actual elevation.  Considering how much of everything I do consists of elevation gain, this irritates me.  It will give you a graph of relative elevation, but you can't get detailed data from it.  If I'm out for 5 hours doing something, I'd like to be able to see finer grained data than what the app gets me.  I have thrown in the MapMyRide app to get the elevation data, but it doesn't synch with the heart rate monitor, and gives me really poor data regarding calories burned.  I went on a mountain bike ride the other day.  Average speed is 4.3 mph, but the hills are hell.  The heart rate monitor recorded my burned calories near 1800.  The Wahoo app guestimated the calories burned at 600.  I would love to be able to get all my data in one spot using a strap.  I also hate wearing things on my wrist, so doing the fitbit thing doesn't appeal to me. 
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Post by: Friendly Angel on July 11, 2016, 12:27:10 PM
Anyone have recommendations on a heart rate monitor? SO wants to get my one for my birthday, but the fitbit stuff just seems damn expensive when all I want is heart rate and maybe a stopwatch or clock.

Polar FT1 is <$50, clock and pulse is about all you get.  You can wear it or mount it on your handlebars.
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Post by: daniel1948 on July 11, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
Anyone have recommendations on a heart rate monitor? SO wants to get my one for my birthday, but the fitbit stuff just seems damn expensive when all I want is heart rate and maybe a stopwatch or clock.

Polar FT1 is <$50, clock and pulse is about all you get.  You can wear it or mount it on your handlebars.

I use a Polar FT7 and I'm satisfied with it. Chest strap and wristwatch, but the wristwatch need not be worn on the wrist. I think it can do some other stuff, but I just look at my pulse from time to time. I just want to know that I'm working hard enough but not too hard.
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Post by: xenu on July 11, 2016, 02:32:18 PM

I use the WaHoo chest strap.  It comes with a free app that records your work out, distance, relative elevation, trail map.  The one thing it doesn't do that really frustrates me is actual elevation.  Considering how much of everything I do consists of elevation gain, this irritates me.  It will give you a graph of relative elevation, but you can't get detailed data from it.  If I'm out for 5 hours doing something, I'd like to be able to see finer grained data than what the app gets me.  I have thrown in the MapMyRide app to get the elevation data, but it doesn't synch with the heart rate monitor, and gives me really poor data regarding calories burned.  I went on a mountain bike ride the other day.  Average speed is 4.3 mph, but the hills are hell.  The heart rate monitor recorded my burned calories near 1800.  The Wahoo app guestimated the calories burned at 600.  I would love to be able to get all my data in one spot using a strap.  I also hate wearing things on my wrist, so doing the fitbit thing doesn't appeal to me.

Go over to the cycling thread and ask there. They might be able to recommend something Karyn
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Post by: DG on July 18, 2016, 08:15:43 PM
Anyone have recommendations on a heart rate monitor? SO wants to get my one for my birthday, but the fitbit stuff just seems damn expensive when all I want is heart rate and maybe a stopwatch or clock.

I use the WaHoo chest strap.  It comes with a free app that records your work out, distance, relative elevation, trail map.  The one thing it doesn't do that really frustrates me is actual elevation.  Considering how much of everything I do consists of elevation gain, this irritates me.  It will give you a graph of relative elevation, but you can't get detailed data from it.  If I'm out for 5 hours doing something, I'd like to be able to see finer grained data than what the app gets me.  I have thrown in the MapMyRide app to get the elevation data, but it doesn't synch with the heart rate monitor, and gives me really poor data regarding calories burned.  I went on a mountain bike ride the other day.  Average speed is 4.3 mph, but the hills are hell.  The heart rate monitor recorded my burned calories near 1800.  The Wahoo app guestimated the calories burned at 600.  I would love to be able to get all my data in one spot using a strap.  I also hate wearing things on my wrist, so doing the fitbit thing doesn't appeal to me.

I have to agree with that, the calorie estimations by the "MapMy[activity]" apps is insane. I think that lead to some of the issues that I have had. it can say that a 45 minute stroll with the dog is 500+ calories. Whereas I expect the actual number, based on other applications, is around half of that. It doesn't appears to take heart rate into consideration when determining the calorie burn.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on July 23, 2016, 09:04:49 AM
Knee injury has gotten my attention. I guess I need to run less for a month or so.
Wanted to scope out a local beach for open water swimming (the one where they filmed Saving Private Ryan) but its a 30 min drive and parking in the summer seems blocked up anywhere within a 15minute walk.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 23, 2016, 10:25:32 AM
Knee injury has gotten my attention. I guess I need to run less for a month or so.
Wanted to scope out a local beach for open water swimming (the one where they filmed Saving Private Ryan) but its a 30 min drive and parking in the summer seems blocked up anywhere within a 15minute walk.
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hmm, not safe to walk, eh.

I'd like to propose a 15 minute cargo net crawl in honor of Gallipoli
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Post by: lonely moa on July 23, 2016, 03:25:54 PM
Knee injury has gotten my attention. I guess I need to run less for a month or so.
Wanted to scope out a local beach for open water swimming (the one where they filmed Saving Private Ryan) but its a 30 min drive and parking in the summer seems blocked up anywhere within a 15minute walk.

What sort of injury? 
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Post by: Harry Black on July 23, 2016, 03:58:33 PM
Knee injury has gotten my attention. I guess I need to run less for a month or so.
Wanted to scope out a local beach for open water swimming (the one where they filmed Saving Private Ryan) but its a 30 min drive and parking in the summer seems blocked up anywhere within a 15minute walk.

What sort of injury?
Pretty sure its a posterior cartilage tear.

Knee injury has gotten my attention. I guess I need to run less for a month or so.
Wanted to scope out a local beach for open water swimming (the one where they filmed Saving Private Ryan) but its a 30 min drive and parking in the summer seems blocked up anywhere within a 15minute walk.
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hmm, not safe to walk, eh.

I'd like to propose a 15 minute cargo net crawl in honor of Gallipoli
A 15 minute crawl would leave me with some very odd burns!!
I can walk, but i want something higher intensity that I cn do for around an hour or so.
My weekly cardio plan now looks like:
1 short bike ride.
1 90min-2hr bike ride
2  hour long swim
1 40min bag session
1 20 min bag session
1 of any of the above.

On the heart rate thing- potential new poly casual partner messaged me to ask my RHR and when I told her she was like "Oh. Thats disappointing"
Yeah. Fuck you too :-p
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Post by: lonely moa on July 23, 2016, 04:11:49 PM

What sort of injury?
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Pretty sure its a posterior cartilage tear.

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I have been living with a medial tear for twenty years.  600mg of Vitamin I seems to work a treat.  But ever since bone broth, it has become much less a problem.  Is it locking up with pain?  The physio (and a bit of reading) have convinced me to avoid surgeons.  MDs are also worthless for this.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 23, 2016, 04:36:46 PM

What sort of injury?
Pretty sure its a posterior cartilage tear.

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I have been living with a medial tear for twenty years.  600mg of Vitamin I seems to work a treat.  But ever since bone broth, it has become much less a problem.  Is it locking up with pain?  The physio (and a bit of reading) have convinced me to avoid surgeons.  MDs are also worthless for this.
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I think Im miles from needing surgery! But if I needed it, i would look at the efficacy rates for myself.
Im going to give it a good bit of rest and see how I get on.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 26, 2016, 09:28:53 PM
Bad cup of coffee this afternoon left me dizzy and queezy all evening. Managed to knock out a few pull ups and push ups while I watched tv but I had really hoped to go for a ride.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 27, 2016, 03:42:15 AM
I'm confident I'm coming home iwth some sort of muscle strain tonight.
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Post by: xenu on July 27, 2016, 12:08:22 PM
Shoulder still sucks not as bad but still bad.
Well at least I'm riding the bike more.

Dead lifts and squats are still good though.
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Post by: Billzbub on July 27, 2016, 02:01:51 PM
I got a disc golf basket for Father's Day and set it up in the middle of the back yard.  Last night my daughter and I picked 18 landmarks from around the back yard, including four on our 2nd story deck, and played 18 holes of disc golf with one basket.  It was so fun.  I declared the entire course a par 2 because anything more than a 10 foot put is an iffy proposition for me, and I did in fact score a 36.  I'm not sure this counts as a work out, but it is probably better than sitting at my computer playing games all evening.
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Post by: Boßel on July 28, 2016, 03:22:13 AM
Getting back into this exercise and better eating habits thing. Feeling great.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 28, 2016, 10:51:55 AM
Fuckin punchbag seams split (Its 3 years old) going to be a pain in the ass to fix, well beyond the powers of the all mighty duct tape (even as I said that I realised its technically untrue, but Im not making an entire punchbag out of duct tape.)
Edit- Bloody swim cancelled because my sister needs a babysitter. Guh.
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Post by: GodSlayer on July 28, 2016, 03:10:05 PM
Fuckin punchbag seams split (Its 3 years old) going to be a pain in the ass to fix, well beyond the powers of the all mighty duct tape (even as I said that I realised its technically untrue, but Im not making an entire punchbag out of duct tape.)
Edit- Bloody swim cancelled because my sister needs a babysitter. Guh.

how come a new one isn't the go-to option? (it's what everyone said to me when I inquired about the stuffing in my bag being time-worn. ...bag itself is fine)
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Post by: Harry Black on July 28, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
Fuckin punchbag seams split (Its 3 years old) going to be a pain in the ass to fix, well beyond the powers of the all mighty duct tape (even as I said that I realised its technically untrue, but Im not making an entire punchbag out of duct tape.)
Edit- Bloody swim cancelled because my sister needs a babysitter. Guh.

how come a new one isn't the go-to option? (it's what everyone said to me when I inquired about the stuffing in my bag being time-worn. ...bag itself is fine)
Money basically!
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Post by: lonely moa on August 01, 2016, 03:07:21 AM
A very nice day on the ski field; a "foot" of new snow.  Lovely powder skiing for the first few runs.  I rather liked it more skiing the chop later, and even finding some breakable lines.  Yum.

My "bulletproof" breakfast stood up to the day, btw. 
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Post by: Harry Black on August 08, 2016, 04:27:40 PM
Managed to get a long stint in the pool with no one around (out enjoying the weather like a bunch of saps), mp3 player was working well, so I got 3km done.
The downside is that I now have panda eyes from wearing goggles.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on August 09, 2016, 02:42:34 PM
Late to the party re: deadlifts but right now I'm having some success with Romanian style ones:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/detail/view/name/romanian-deadlift

They don't hit your legs as hard but that can be a good thing if you get knee pain. Basically these are all back (well, and your glutes and to some extent your shoulder and your core). Just make sure you keep your back straight, which of course is a thing you have to do on deads anyway. The other advantage to these is that you don't have to lift as much weight so a. your overall stress levels are lower and b. you can do these with dumbbells.

My main leg exercise are split squats:

https://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/exercises/split-squat/

They're *sort of* a one-leg-at-a-time exercise but they're a bit weird that way, at least if you're not doing the version where you rest one leg on a bench. I definitely feel the BURNSAUCE from both hamstrings and glutes on this. That being said, apparently my quads are MASSIVE as a result of them having to ferry my fat body all over the place so I'm also doing straight up leg extensions to keep them in check as well.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 09, 2016, 02:46:46 PM
Split squats are great when you want to work your legs but arent confident with a huge weight on your shoulders or dont have the apparatus/spotter to do it safely!
I need to do more of them because my limit with squats/deadlifts is often to do with preserving my lower back (being able to maintain perfect form with high weights).
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Post by: GodSlayer on August 09, 2016, 02:48:48 PM
it surprises me that split squats feel so different to lunges, while looking so similar.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 09, 2016, 05:17:46 PM
Parallettes are definitely the best ab workout Ive found.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 10, 2016, 06:21:42 PM
I think the water in my local pool may not be of competition standard. I dont seem to glide through it as fast as Im sure I should be....
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Post by: lonely moa on August 11, 2016, 01:50:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/GCAkqDz.jpg)
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Post by: DG on August 11, 2016, 01:56:50 AM
I think the water in my local pool may not be of competition standard. I dont seem to glide through it as fast as Im sure I should be....

Is the water that new newfangled "Olympic Green"?

If it's not green, it's not clean.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on August 12, 2016, 02:09:17 PM
Split squats are great when you want to work your legs but arent confident with a huge weight on your shoulders or dont have the apparatus/spotter to do it safely!
I need to do more of them because my limit with squats/deadlifts is often to do with preserving my lower back (being able to maintain perfect form with high weights).
Yeah, that's exactly the situation I'm in now: I only have access to dumbbells up to 50 pounds and I don't have access to a Smith cage even if I did have barbells.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 20, 2016, 11:39:56 AM
The weekend opening hours of my nearest pool/gym are bullshit.
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Post by: Harry Black on September 03, 2016, 07:53:12 AM
I believe almost nothing about what celebrities claim about their workouts but I do think its likely The Rock is telling the truth when he says he doesn't squat.
http://www.thesportster.com/wrestling/top-15-interesting-facts-about-the-rocks-workout-routine/

Not that it matters; I still squat. I just think its interesting that he had a limitation and found his way around it. Obviously he would be massive regardless, but with his genetics (and probable pharma use) he could easily have binned legs altogether.
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Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2016, 06:00:37 PM
Hello?
Echo!echoecho
Anyway.
I noticed by keeping track of my sessions that theres a ripple effect from dates since all my relationships are longdistance.
So a date doesnt affect my cardio but has a four day ripple on my strength training.
Thats actually massive and Im thinking of ways to mitigate it through better planning and discipline.
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Post by: lonely moa on September 10, 2016, 01:21:54 AM
Skinned to the top of the Virgin Mile this morning.  Nice half hour up and fantastic views; perfect weather.  The snow was just a bit firm and wind affected for the ski down, that's life.  One lap was enough.  Did the forty km loop for coffee in the pm after taking the dogs for a walk and a giant breakfast at 1300.
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Post by: lonely moa on September 14, 2016, 05:46:41 AM
3 days in the snow with the outdoor ed.  Good fun; a bit of skiing, some basic avalanche training, a climb to the top of Mt Olympus and a night out in tents in the snow.  I reckon I kept up reasonably well with kids younger than my grandchildren... if I had any.
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Post by: daniel1948 on September 15, 2016, 07:51:31 PM
Lying on my back on the floor, with my right arm extended along my side, palm turned toward my body, thumb pointed up. Raise the right arm slowly until the fingers are pointing toward the ceiling, and continue to move the arm in the same direction so that the intention is to move a full 180 degrees, though I actually reach only a little past vertical. Then bring the arm back down to my side, slowly, slowly, slowly. Repeat ten times. Do two sets.

That's what I did yesterday, which was very encouraging because a couple of weeks ago I could only do one or two.

That was just the most difficult of a series of exercises that include some resistance exercises and some range-of-motion exercises. There are two sets of exercises that I do on alternate days. The most difficult of today's set of exercises:

Lying on my left side, with my right arm extended along my side above my body, thump pointed up. Raise the right arm until the fingers are pointed toward the ceiling, and continue as far as I can, which isn't very far beyond vertical. Lower the arm back to my side slowly, slowly, slowly. Repeat five times. Do two sets. I believe this is the first exercise they've given me directly aimed at strengthening the deltoid muscle, which is the one that's almost completely atrophied as the result of the accident and surgery and subsequent immobilization. Two week ago I couldn't even raise the arm to 45 degrees even once.

Mobility of the shoulder is not so encouraging. They gave me a little pulley that attaches to the top of a door and has a rope running through it with a handle on each end. Sitting in a chair below the pulley, holding one handle in each hand. Pulling down with the good (left) arm pulls up on the bad (right) arm. I can get the right forearm up until it's a hair beyond horizontal. There's been no progress on this in a month. My physical therapist is having me see a different therapist next week to see if he has some other ideas to improve my range of motion.

Today I did 45 minutes on the exercise bike, which is hell because it hurts my butt. And then, because the weather has finally turned nice again, I went for a long walk. 3 3/4 miles in a little over an hour. I was talking to a woman who used to work in a physical therapist's office. She said the patients who made progress were always the ones who did their exercises. The exercises hurt, but it feels good to be able to do them.
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Post by: GodSlayer on September 16, 2016, 02:32:09 AM
so, I've always been too lazy to take the weights off my bench press and put the bar on the ground and re-weight it and do things.
but now we have a squat rack/etc. where I train, so I've got no excuse anymore to not start doing deadlifts.

only did 130lbs on Sunday to make sure the technique was ok. and holy fuck my hamstrings were tight for the next couple days! tried again yesterday with 170lbs and I feel fine today. not enough sets this time, I guess (I didn't want to be sore tonight). not really sure if I should keep upping the weight to get to something difficult or just do enough sets that I'm feelin' it the next day regardless.
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Post by: lonely moa on September 16, 2016, 03:35:18 AM
so, I've always been too lazy to take the weights off my bench press and put the bar on the ground and re-weight it and do things.
but now we have a squat rack/etc. where I train, so I've got no excuse anymore to not start doing deadlifts.

only did 130lbs on Sunday to make sure the technique was ok. and holy fuck my hamstrings were tight for the next couple days! tried again yesterday with 170lbs and I feel fine today. not enough sets this time, I guess (I didn't want to be sore tonight). not really sure if I should keep upping the weight to get to something difficult or just do enough sets that I'm feelin' it the next day regardless.

I've been doing 3 sets of three with 105 kg (about 1 and a half times my own weight) and at the last rep... that's enough.  Not sore the next day, but pretty used.
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Post by: Harry Black on September 16, 2016, 08:04:01 AM
so, I've always been too lazy to take the weights off my bench press and put the bar on the ground and re-weight it and do things.
but now we have a squat rack/etc. where I train, so I've got no excuse anymore to not start doing deadlifts.

only did 130lbs on Sunday to make sure the technique was ok. and holy fuck my hamstrings were tight for the next couple days! tried again yesterday with 170lbs and I feel fine today. not enough sets this time, I guess (I didn't want to be sore tonight). not really sure if I should keep upping the weight to get to something difficult or just do enough sets that I'm feelin' it the next day regardless.
My advice is to do some research and find a program you feel confident in.
If you are just beginning an exercise I would definitely advise at least one more session at a fairly easy weight to get the movement down and keep repeating the coaching points to youself as you go.
By fairly easy I mean that you should feel like you can do more than 10-12 reps but its starting to burn a little.
After that you could start to move into a range where 8-10 feels like a challenge.

As for numbers of sets and what reps should be in each set, everyone will have a preference so I do advise skeptically examining whats out there and settling on something you like.
I would say though, aiming for a 20-30min main workout is a fairly good idea.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on September 16, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
Had my fastest time of the year cycling up the local mountain this week.  In fact my fastest time of the last six years (since Strava's been a thing).  After work rides are coming to an end though because dark.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: AQB24712 on September 16, 2016, 12:08:36 PM
I was talking to a woman who used to work in a physical therapist's office. She said the patients who made progress were always the ones who did their exercises. The exercises hurt, but it feels good to be able to do them.

Yes!  I'm proud of you.  I remember those days of post-injury physical therapy.  I felt somehow almost insulted that my body wouldn't do what it used to do so easily, but every little bit of improvement felt like a great (albeit painful) victory.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on September 18, 2016, 11:29:25 AM
Think Im in a natural downtick. Im struggling to force more than 3 sessions a week out of myself.
Still making some gains though so thats something.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on September 19, 2016, 07:07:29 PM
I know the feeling. My dead lifts and squats are flat. 405lbs dead lift by Christmas is looking bad.

Shoulder is still bad better but still bad. Hoping that it gets better soon. This is more frustrating then when I had a stuck shoulder a few years back.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on September 19, 2016, 07:11:55 PM
Damn!
405 isnt even a remote possibility for me!
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on September 19, 2016, 07:32:30 PM
I can't even raise my arm above horizontal. With no weight but the arm itself.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Harry Black on September 19, 2016, 07:49:17 PM
I can't even raise my arm above horizontal. With no weight but the arm itself.
You will get there.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on September 19, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Even when I am lying on the table and the physical therapist moves my arm, it doesn't go much farther. And when he tried to move it outward from my side, it hurt like a motherfucker. I actually screamed. I'm wondering if there's some damage to the soft tissue inside the joint.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: xenu on September 19, 2016, 09:12:01 PM
As bad as my shoulder has been it hasn't been that bad. That sucks.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: Billzbub on September 20, 2016, 10:37:39 AM
I can't even raise my arm above horizontal. With no weight but the arm itself.

You should go on that diet that helps you lose weight just in the fingers of one hand.  /nod
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: daniel1948 on September 20, 2016, 07:53:00 PM
I can't even raise my arm above horizontal. With no weight but the arm itself.

You should go on that diet that helps you lose weight just in the fingers of one hand.  /nod

;D

It's not actually a strength thing as much as it is a range-of-motion thing. I have an apparatus that consists of a pulley that hangs over a door, with a rope through it and a handle on each end of the rope. Pulling down with the good arm hoists the relaxed bad arm up. It doesn't go up very far before the pain is too much to tolerate. It's supposed to stretch it to gradually improve the range of motion.
Title: Re: Twitter your random excersize thoughts and workout experiences.
Post by: lonely moa on September 20, 2016, 09:47:56 PM

I can't even raise my arm above horizontal. With no weight but the arm itself.

You should go on that diet that helps you lose weight just in the fingers of one hand.  /nod




It's not actually a strength thing as much as it is a range-of-motion thing. I have an apparatus that consists of a pulley that hangs over a door, with a rope through it and a handle on each end of the rope. Pulling down with the good arm hoists the relaxed bad arm up. It doesn�