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Title: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Anders on June 08, 2012, 10:43:00 AM
Alice Cooper - Brutal Planet (live) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SI1aMEEOAg#)

The grandfather of horror rock shows the young 'uns how it should be done.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Plastiq on June 08, 2012, 11:21:06 AM
Can't actually tell if the title is ironic or not because I don't Alice's religious views.

Mmm, reminds me of something else—gonna make another thread.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Anders on June 08, 2012, 11:34:19 AM
He's a fundamentalist Mormon who goes to Church every Sunday and leads Bible studies on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Plastiq on June 08, 2012, 11:41:43 AM
He's a fundamentalist Mormon who goes to Church every Sunday and leads Bible studies on Wednesdays.

Haha, Wiki says he's a born-again Christian. Oh, Alice.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: David E. on June 08, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
I don't think Alice is the Fundie kind.  Brutal Planet is a great song. 
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Anders on June 09, 2012, 05:14:36 AM
I heard an interview where he says the world was created in six days.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Plastiq on June 09, 2012, 09:24:49 AM
I heard an interview where he says the world was created in six days.

Ugh, that's always fun. Nothing like hearing words like those coming out of the mouth of someone you want to/previously did respect.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: David E. on June 09, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
It does not make me like his music any less.  If we only liked art that came from people who shared our belief systems...yadda yadda.

Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Plastiq on June 09, 2012, 09:48:30 AM
It does not make me like his music any less.  If we only liked art that came from people who shared our belief systems...yadda yadda.

I agree mostly. However, if the Christian message seeps into the lyrics, it's a deal breaker. I can't do Christian "metal".
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: David E. on June 09, 2012, 10:00:50 AM
It does not make me like his music any less.  If we only liked art that came from people who shared our belief systems...yadda yadda.

I agree mostly. However, if the Christian message seeps into the lyrics, it's a deal breaker. I can't do Christian "metal".

Oh I agree.  I can't either.  I do love Gospel though.  Even if I hate the message, the delivery can be so beautiful and awesome.
 
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Plastiq on June 09, 2012, 11:13:19 AM
It does not make me like his music any less.  If we only liked art that came from people who shared our belief systems...yadda yadda.

I agree mostly. However, if the Christian message seeps into the lyrics, it's a deal breaker. I can't do Christian "metal".

Oh I agree.  I can't either.  I do love Gospel though.  Even if I hate the message, the delivery can be so beautiful and awesome.
 

To me context is a huge part. Funny thing, if I'm listening to Loretta Lynn sing the praises of Jesus, I dig it. I can just accept it as tradition, and even see some type of beauty in it. But Christian "death metal" makes me fucking retch.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Drunken Idaho on June 09, 2012, 11:18:56 AM
If the music stands on its own, I don't care about its message (J.S. Bach, gospel music), but I don't think I've ever heard a "Christian rock" song which I thought was anything but utter shit. I was kind of hoping this thread would prove me wrong...
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Anders on June 09, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
I heard an interview where he says the world was created in six days.

Ugh, that's always fun. Nothing like hearing words like those coming out of the mouth of someone you want to/previously did respect.

However, he also said that no one should listen to him about politics since he's a musician and musicians don't know shit about the government. I think he'd say the same about science. It's refreshing to hear that, really.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: AgnosticBuddha on June 09, 2012, 07:53:49 PM
I reject western theism, but I love the hymn Amazing Grace. It's beautiful and the story of John Newton is interesting as well.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: seamas on June 12, 2012, 02:56:06 PM
I actually listen to a TON of "sacred" music. I'll listen to old hymns, chorales, African American gospel, Appalachian gospel, hindu sacred music, old recordings of Jewish cantors and other Jewish music, Islamic and Indian music, Gregorian Chants, classical religious music and other religiously based folk music.

I cannot stand however, Christian Rock or any other attempts at religious pop music. There is something too insincere  and mannered about it. I'll tune into the TBC channel occasionally and just be stunned at how bad the music is. The lyrics are even worse.
I think they are waaayyy too concerned with the message in the lyrics than the actual craft of lyric writing--and the music always seems like an afterthought. It all seems a part and parcel to the political/religious posture. Being a reactionary "culture warrior" always seems to be the motivation.


The sacred music I love has the message & music and performance working seamlessly together. The messages don't worry me.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: David E. on June 12, 2012, 04:08:39 PM
If the music stands on its own, I don't care about its message (J.S. Bach, gospel music), but I don't think I've ever heard a "Christian rock" song which I thought was anything but utter shit. I was kind of hoping this thread would prove me wrong...

Abandon all Hope Ye Who Listen Here.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Anders on June 25, 2012, 05:28:14 AM
Alice Cooper Speak about His Christian Faith (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34dnJVdmCzU#)

Alice Cooper speaks about his religious faith and claims he believes that everything in the Bible is literally true. Which is impossible since it contradicts itself.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Neon Genesis on June 27, 2012, 04:36:59 PM
I personally have enjoyed what little I've heard of Derek Webb's Christian rock: "What Matters More"--Derek Webb, Stockholm Syndrome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5pBXY2AkeY#)
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Karyn on June 27, 2012, 05:36:34 PM
I saw these guys live about a year ago.  They were amazing, but they are also super religious.

woven hand-The good hand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI85ymnBIJk#)
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Lukas on June 28, 2012, 01:13:22 AM
One of the strangest Christian bands I know, and I really like their music: Soul-Junk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul-Junk). Started out as lo-fi experimental indie rock with bible lyrics, eventually moved to some kind of strange hip-hop. Here is one example of their early stuff:

Soul-Junk - Snatched from the Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpemexxkARE#)
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Anders on July 04, 2012, 04:54:50 PM
ALICE COOPER Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yWzNy9Ddnc#)

He seems like a genuinely nice guy. And he's a fundamentalist without being a bigot. I suspect they are not uncommon, it's just that we only hear from the bigots.
Title: Re: Good Christian Rock
Post by: Eternally Learning on July 04, 2012, 06:46:55 PM
My brother has been telling me about this guy, Steve Taylor.  I don't remember him, but apparently he was a very counter-Christian culture Christian.  Or at least he wasn't afraid to point out internal errors and problems with the church.  This was apparently the song that put him at odds with the church at large (or at least a number of Christians):

Steve Taylor - I Blew Up The Clinic Real Good (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76E7MJsYx1g#)

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