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Title: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 12, 2015, 09:58:36 AM
Enjoying/Enjoyed:

The Killing (season 1 Danish version)
Happy Valley
The Americans
Homeland

Starting on The Fall and it's okay so far.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on January 12, 2015, 10:29:15 AM
The first 2 seasons of the US version of the killing were pretty damn good too.  Haven't seen the Danish version but high have I expectations. 

I'm pretty bored with the Americans and lost interest in Homeland in the second season.  It just got too crazy. 

edit because I'm bad at words.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on January 12, 2015, 11:05:40 AM
The first 2 seasons of the US version of the killing was pretty damn good too.  Haven't seen the Danish version but I have I expectations. 

I'm pretty bored with the Americans and lost interest in Homeland in the second season.  It just got too crazy. 

someone said season 4 was the best so far. I was pretty indifferent to it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 12, 2015, 01:51:31 PM
I really liked S4 of Homeland. So glad Brody ain't there. I was so looking forward to Quinn putting a bullet in that asshole's head.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 12, 2015, 02:29:00 PM
I found alot of the US Killing season 1 quite boring. I found myself skipping alot of the family and political drama.
Cant wait for this season of the Americans after how the last one ended.
Season 4 of Homeland was alot like True Detective for me, started slow but I stuck with it because people recommended. Got really good in the middle and built up towards a really flat ending.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on January 12, 2015, 03:25:56 PM
Binging on The Walking Dead. I'm now on Episode 2 of season 4. Excellent!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on January 12, 2015, 07:48:27 PM
On a completely different tack, Brooklyn Nine Nine has really begun to come into its own this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqPJ8_nrmZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqPJ8_nrmZY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg93zJiHJOs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg93zJiHJOs)

It's REALLY beginning to remind me of Parks and Rec in its prime (which, speaking of which, P&R starts its final season tomorrow). That makes Captain Holt, depicted above, and played by Andre Braugher, the Ron Swanson of the show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on January 12, 2015, 09:07:43 PM
I love Brooklyn Nine Nine.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on January 12, 2015, 09:55:48 PM
I love Brooklyn Nine Nine.

I can't even.  And I have tried - too many times for my own health.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on January 13, 2015, 08:28:29 AM
I love Brooklyn Nine Nine.

best I can say is 'I will also watch the new season'.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 13, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
I love Brooklyn Nine Nine.

I can't even.  And I have tried - too many times for my own health.

I've tried to watch this a few times. It strikes me as Community but in a police station. Didn't ever catch on to Community. Now, Barney Miller. There was a police station sitcom.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: materialist_girl on January 13, 2015, 06:48:08 PM
The Knick - I am a sucker for period pieces, and Clive Owen is incredible. The 1901 medical tech is fascinating, too.
The Returned (Les Revenants) - French fantasy series based on the film of the same name from 2004 about the effects on a small town when the previously deceased begin showing up, unaware that they've passed. This is IMHO among the best television series of the past decade.
In The Flesh - Post-zombie apocalypse drama set in a world where the undead can be reformed by medication into 'Partially Deceased Persons' and re-integrated into society. There are two series and only nine episodes in total, so it's not a huge investment, but so worth it.
Broadchurch - David Tennant is a harried DI set to find the killer of a boy in a small seaside town. Less about the cop stuff and more about the effect of the murder on the small, tight-knit community, I binged the first season in a couple of days. It was remade in the US as Gracepoint, but for the love of god avoid that and go to the UK original.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on January 13, 2015, 06:56:32 PM
I loved how Homeland ended tastefully after one season.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on January 13, 2015, 08:24:50 PM
The Flash is the best live action superhero TV show in my recent memory.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 13, 2015, 08:44:21 PM
I love Brooklyn Nine Nine.

I can't even.  And I have tried - too many times for my own health.

I've tried to watch this a few times. It strikes me as Community but in a police station. Didn't ever catch on to Community. Now, Barney Miller. There was a police station sitcom.
Thats a perfect description of the show.
Man I want to marry every girl in it SO hard.

Im really enjoying Flash but I kind of feel like Arrow is a bit better. And somehow Agents of SHIELD has gained alot of ground!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on January 13, 2015, 09:31:27 PM
I think the flash is a brighter and lighter show.  I like it (and the comics) because I like the relationship he has with his city.  He is loved by all in the city and he dotes on the city in return.  Even his villains are not power mad sociopaths.  They are just thieves.  I like that dynamic and i like what it does for the show.

The arrow is trying to be Batman, IMHO.  And that makes the tone a little darker.  Which is OK, but it is a totally well trod paths.  Also Id rather he be more the liberal crusader that he is in the comics. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 14, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
I feel like he is building towards being that but you are right. Arrow really suffers from Batmanitis.
And since when has a manequin in a glass case been a handy way to keep clothes you may need to change into at a moments notice?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on January 14, 2015, 03:30:58 PM
I feel like he is building towards being that but you are right. Arrow really suffers from Batmanitis.
And since when has a manequin in a glass case been a handy way to keep clothes you may need to change into at a moments notice?

I know - good thing he's a speedster. 

Oh wait - you mean Arrow.  Heh.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on January 16, 2015, 01:54:17 PM
@midnight knocked it out of the park for their 2 weeks in Colbert's time slot.  All 8 shows were near perfect.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: goodthink on January 17, 2015, 12:30:53 AM
I feel like he is building towards being that but you are right. Arrow really suffers from Batmanitis.
And since when has a manequin in a glass case been a handy way to keep clothes you may need to change into at a moments notice?

I enjoyed season 2 of Arrow, but mostly because of Manu Bennet.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 17, 2015, 03:57:34 PM
Broadchurch and Happy Valley are pretty great.

Peaky Blinders is excellent.

The Missing was really really emotional and good as well.

Someone also mentioned Les Revenants which I also thought was great.

To add to the discussion about Homeland.. Season 4 was the best season yet. Agree that it starts off extremely slow, but picks up to some of the best episodes of the series. It does end extremely flat, though. I don't see how that ending was much of a cliff hanger or set-up for next season.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: goodthink on January 17, 2015, 09:31:21 PM
Broadchurch and Happy Valley are pretty great.

Peaky Blinders is excellent.

The Missing was really really emotional and good as well.

Someone also mentioned Les Revenants which I also thought was great.

To add to the discussion about Homeland.. Season 4 was the best season yet. Agree that it starts off extremely slow, but picks up to some of the best episodes of the series. It does end extremely flat, though. I don't see how that ending was much of a cliff hanger or set-up for next season.

Les Revenants was great, the US version of it not so much. I understand they wanted a different show, but why? The original was so well done.

The new season of TWD has been good. I stopped caring about the show last season, but this season is leaps beyond where it was last year.

Just started Brooklyn Nine-Nine, now I feel I have to recommend the show. Braugher is funny as shit and he and Crews carry the show. I avoided it because of Andy Samberg, but it is great tv. A show people should be getting into.

Utopia was cancelled and won't be picked up. Do what you have to to get both seasons. The show is worthwhile just for the cinematics never mind anything else. By far the best looking show I have seen, but also interesting story with good moral dilemmas and memorable characters.

If anyone hasn't seen it, you must watch the Knick-- easily the best new tv show of 2014.

And shameless plug for the 100 if you like sci-fi
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 17, 2015, 09:40:46 PM
Utopia was phenomenal. The visuals really are incredible. I was watching it and my wife was busy doing random things, but she looked at the TV for a few minutes and was just memorized. She watched the rest of the series with me just because the initial visuals caught her eye and were so compelling. She loved it. Season two was even better than the first.

Rectify belongs on this list as well. Another show that had a great first season, and a second season that was 10 times better. Really slow-burn, but if you're willing to wait it out there is a huge emotional pay-out.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on January 17, 2015, 11:45:43 PM
Peaky Blinders is excellent.


Oh yeah, I was going to mention that one also.  Very good show if a bit over-the-top.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: goodthink on January 17, 2015, 11:52:37 PM
Utopia was phenomenal. The visuals really are incredible. I was watching it and my wife was busy doing random things, but she looked at the TV for a few minutes and was just memorized. She watched the rest of the series with me just because the initial visuals caught her eye and were so compelling. She loved it. Season two was even better than the first.

Rectify belongs on this list as well. Another show that had a great first season, and a second season that was 10 times better. Really slow-burn, but if you're willing to wait it out there is a huge emotional pay-out.

Really bugs me Rectify hasn't caught on. Such a beautiful, well crafted show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on January 18, 2015, 01:19:03 AM
Can someone add another bit of information to the show besides the title, "Utopia"... so I can triangulate my search. UK series right?

I started watching Gilmore Girls on someone here's recommendation. I think Slick's.
This is great. Very like Freaks and Geeks. My favorite characters so far are the grandparents. And of course, good to see Melissa McCarthy pre-everything.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Zytheran on January 18, 2015, 03:57:56 AM
Black Mirror, best TV series I have seen in decades. I can't recommend this series enough.
From the UK, it's SF which examines the impacts and ramifications of social media / whole life tracking / virtual reality / etc. Basically the new technologies.
Three episodes in Season 1, three in season 2 plus a XMas special.  Season three is going to be made.
Each episode is a stand alone story, plots are very good and get you thinking, typically with an interesting reveal / social commentary at the end. All sort of dystopian.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2015, 08:00:38 AM
Whats Rectify about? It reminds me of Justified which is one of my favourite shows. I assume it to be a Johnny Slicks biography.
It also reminds me of the place where I sometimes get roped into helping my uncle cut timber.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on January 18, 2015, 08:02:38 AM
Black Mirror, best TV series I have seen in decades. I can't recommend this series enough.
From the UK, it's SF which examines the impacts and ramifications of social media / whole life tracking / virtual reality / etc. Basically the new technologies.
Three episodes in Season 1, three in season 2 plus a XMas special.  Season three is going to be made.
Each episode is a stand alone story, plots are very good and get you thinking, typically with an interesting reveal / social commentary at the end. All sort of dystopian.

Where can I watch this in the US?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 18, 2015, 08:06:23 AM
You can watch black mirror on Netflix.

Utopia is the UK version. It's a sci-fi show. Not the US reality show by the same name. The U.S. reality show received "worst show of the year" acclaims from numerous critics.

Rectify is nothing like justified other than it is set in the south. It's about a guy on death row for a murder he is alleged to have commuted at 16 (17?). He is released from death row after 15 years on a bit of a technicality. It's a very real and moving drama. I only got some of the nuances about how the characters are played the second time around.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2015, 08:21:11 AM
Ah. Not sure if it sounds like my cup of tea.
But I often say that and then end up binging a series years later and loving it.

Edit- Kenny Loggins "Danger Zone" just played at the diner Im in and I remembered: Archer is back!!
RAMPAAAAGGE!!!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on January 18, 2015, 09:26:08 AM
goddamnit, I've been meaning to get around to that xmas special all week!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 18, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
goddamnit, I've been meaning to get around to that xmas special all week!

Black Mirror? It was really fun. Multiple story lines.. some concepts a little too similar to ones they've explored before, but still enjoyable.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 18, 2015, 10:56:50 AM
Ah. Not sure if it sounds like my cup of tea.
But I often say that and then end up binging a series years later and loving it.

Edit- Kenny Loggins "Danger Zone" just played at the diner Im in and I remembered: Archer is back!!
RAMPAAAAGGE!!!

Based on what I've seen of your tastes in the various media fora (and I could be totally wrong) Rectify doesn't seem action packed enough for your tastes. It's actually 100% devoid of what one might term "action".
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on January 18, 2015, 02:00:33 PM
I don't think I would classify Utopia as a sci-fi show, I think it's a thriller show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2015, 02:09:59 PM
Ah. Not sure if it sounds like my cup of tea.
But I often say that and then end up binging a series years later and loving it.

Edit- Kenny Loggins "Danger Zone" just played at the diner Im in and I remembered: Archer is back!!
RAMPAAAAGGE!!!

Based on what I've seen of your tastes in the various media fora (and I could be totally wrong) Rectify doesn't seem action packed enough for your tastes. It's actually 100% devoid of what one might term "action".
Thats what I thought.
I do like the odd drama but they are few and far between!
Good call.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 18, 2015, 06:17:46 PM
I don't think I would classify Utopia as a sci-fi show, I think it's a thriller show.

I guess you're right. I was mistakenly using sci-fi more literally.. In that the major plot points revolve around science.. And it's fiction.. So.. Sci-fi!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: goodthink on January 19, 2015, 07:02:10 AM
I don't think I would classify Utopia as a sci-fi show, I think it's a thriller show.

I guess you're right. I was mistakenly using sci-fi more literally.. In that the major plot points revolve around science.. And it's fiction.. So.. Sci-fi!

I think it's sci-fi, just not speculative sci-fi. It deals with a real problem, a real solution, and the moral resolutions. I really loved the show. They didn't pull punches and I could understand both sides of the argument.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 19, 2015, 08:12:48 AM
Im listening to alot of podcasts with year end lists and most people are being asked for their top shows other than Game of Thrones. Then I heard some old episodes are being released in imax.
So, I always look forward to GoT but do people really think its THAT good? Ive found a few performances to be pretty poor (they seem to struggle at casting decent northern actors) and alot of the choreography isnt brilliant (tv shows have limited time to polish though)
I guess having read the books maybe the plot doesnt have the same impact for me? I just think there are far better shows on, despite GoT being one of the best.
Will anyone here go to theatres to watch reruns? If it works do you think we could see a trend of premieres done in imax and a boost for HBO and theatres?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on January 19, 2015, 08:25:50 AM
Im listening to alot of podcasts with year end lists and most people are being asked for their top shows other than Game of Thrones. Then I heard some old episodes are being released in imax.
So, I always look forward to GoT but do people really think its THAT good? Ive found a few performances to be pretty poor (they seem to struggle at casting decent northern actors) and alot of the choreography isnt brilliant (tv shows have limited time to polish though)
I guess having read the books maybe the plot doesnt have the same impact for me? I just think there are far better shows on, despite GoT being one of the best.
Will anyone here go to theatres to watch reruns? If it works do you think we could see a trend of premieres done in imax and a boost for HBO and theatres?


I enjoy Game of Thrones. It is are kinda flawed on many levels (
(click to show/hide)
), but it is also a well-made, high-budget fantasy series that is decently written and acted, set in an interesting world and generally much better than most other shows out there.

I wouldn't pay for it in cinemas, thought.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Plastiq on January 19, 2015, 08:54:01 AM
I just think there are far better shows on, despite GoT being one of the best.

What are some examples?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: DoktorBob on January 19, 2015, 09:00:30 AM
I just think there are far better shows on, despite GoT being one of the best.

What are some examples?
Boardwalk Empire,
Mad Men
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 19, 2015, 09:02:18 AM
I would pay to see episodes if, say, they came out in the theaters Sunday 5 pm local time. You pay a premium to see something before everyone else. I really don't want to be in a movie theater 9 pm on a Sunday.

I love GoT. I'm currently running my GF through the whole series from season 1. We've just started season 3. The little finger revelation in season 4 makes it interesting to re-watch knowing what you know. There are a few things I missed too. Like I totally missed that the other white guy who comes to help Daenerys Targaryen (and kind of pushes out Ser Friend Zone) was Barristan Selmy (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Barristan_Selmy (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Barristan_Selmy)), the honorable guy who read the letter proclaiming Ned the regent. They tried to pension him off and he stormed out. I thought they were just two different guys. Doh.

I also watch it subscribing to a fan theory about John Snow's real father/mother:

http://mashable.com/2014/07/16/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-parents/ (http://mashable.com/2014/07/16/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-parents/)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: DoktorBob on January 19, 2015, 09:02:49 AM
I would pay to see episodes if, say, they came out in the theaters Sunday 5 pm local time. You pay a premium to see something before everyone else. I really don't want to be in a movie theater 9 pm on a Sunday.

I love GoT. I'm currently running my GF through the whole series from season 1. We've just started season 3. The little finger revelation in season 4 makes it interesting to re-watch knowing what you know. There are a few things I missed too. Like I totally missed that the other white guy who comes to help Daenerys Targaryen (and kind of pushes out Ser Friend Zone) was Barristan Selmy (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Barristan_Selmy (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Barristan_Selmy)), the honorable guy who read the letter proclaiming Ned the regent. They tried to pension him off and he stormed out. I thought they were just two different guys. Doh.

I also watch it subscribing to a fan theory about John Snow's real father/mother:

http://mashable.com/2014/07/16/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-parents/ (http://mashable.com/2014/07/16/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-parents/)

What little finger revelation?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on January 19, 2015, 09:33:14 AM
I enjoy Game of Thrones. It is are kinda flawed on many levels (
(click to show/hide)
),

have I missed a season? I have no idea who that is.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: DoktorBob on January 19, 2015, 10:17:48 AM
I enjoy Game of Thrones. It is are kinda flawed on many levels (
(click to show/hide)
),

have I missed a season? I have no idea who that is.

No, they cut the charcter, so she has never been in the show.  you haven't missed anything.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on January 19, 2015, 10:19:35 AM
I enjoy Game of Thrones. It is are kinda flawed on many levels (
(click to show/hide)
),

have I missed a season? I have no idea who that is.

You missed a book.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 19, 2015, 11:24:07 AM
What little finger revelation?

He was behind
(click to show/hide)
.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: DoktorBob on January 19, 2015, 11:37:35 AM
What little finger revelation?

He was behind
(click to show/hide)
.

Oh, I seemed to have missed that.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 19, 2015, 02:32:08 PM
What little finger revelation?

He was behind
(click to show/hide)
.

Oh, I seemed to have missed that.

I would have missed it too but I usually read the summaries the next day. There's just too much.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 19, 2015, 04:17:51 PM
I just think there are far better shows on, despite GoT being one of the best.

What are some examples?
Some shows I thought were better done were:
Orange is the new black
Fargo
The Americans (not many would agree I think)
Orphan Black
Silicon valley

Theres others I looked forward to more but they wouldnt be better.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 19, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
The others I can see the argument, but.. Orange is the New Black? I mean.. it's a fun show.. but it isn't great by any standard I can come up with.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: goodthink on January 19, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
The others I can see the argument, but.. Orange is the New Black? I mean.. it's a fun show.. but it isn't great by any standard I can come up with.

Horrible show. Completely unrealistic-- especially in regard to the racial makeup of the prison. Why are we so afraid to tell real stories that reflect reality? I don't know. But it's depressing. Prisons are where we keep the poor by-and-large. The people in them are not very Nordic looking.



Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Plastiq on January 20, 2015, 02:19:07 AM
Some shows I thought were better done were:
Orange is the new black

Oh, fuck, no you didn't!

Fargo

Hmm. I feel like I hated the characters too much to be fairly evaluate the quality of that show.

The Americans (not many would agree I think)

Not sure about better, but I agree that's fucking high quality entertainment. Love that show.

Orphan Black

Hoo, Lord, no. I really didn't find that to be a quality show.

Silicon valley

Never seen it. It's too low on the exoticism scale to appeal enough to even check it out (same vein as Madmen—definitely quality show, but I just found it too boring to get into).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 20, 2015, 05:52:18 AM
Interesting.
This is kind of what I was asking lol!
Taste is a funny thing. But yeah, I enjoyed Orange mor than the last season of GoT. Its very unrealistic (theres a great two part interview I read where a girl from the same prison watches it and points out all the mistakes) but I just enjoyed the performances and the character interaction alot.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 20, 2015, 08:16:31 AM
Orange is the new black

A good series. Takes a couple eps to get into.

Fargo

You had to get a bit past "everyone is doing the movie" but things moved along quite nicely.

The Americans (not many would agree I think)

They are killing way too many people to make me think this would be tolerated. That said, it's interesting enough. It's a bit like watching Star Wars but from the Empire's POV. Or playing the TIE Fighter computer game series.

Orphan Black

It's certainly has a "made in Canada" feel. But carried by the brilliant acting of the lead.

Silicon valley

If you're in high tech, funny as heck.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 20, 2015, 09:20:29 AM
I'm not in high tech (my wife is but I'm pretty clueless about the culture) and I think it's hilarious and brilliant.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 20, 2015, 10:44:25 AM
My brother and I arent but his girlfriend is. She found it unnwatchable because she saw too many personalities from her office.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: DoktorBob on January 20, 2015, 10:50:32 AM
I'm not in high tech (my wife is but I'm pretty clueless about the culture) and I think it's hilarious and brilliant.

Where does your wife work?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 20, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
I'm not in high tech (my wife is but I'm pretty clueless about the culture) and I think it's hilarious and brilliant.

Where does your wife work?

Maybe "high tech" isn't the right term for it.. She is the lead architect for a web development company in orlando.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 20, 2015, 07:25:42 PM
Whoa.. Fucking Broadchurch.. Another example of a show (along with Utopia and Rectify) that had an excellent first season, but that is just killing it with its second season. I didn't see how they could continue the intensity of the first season with the same characters, but man.. that's a good TV crime show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: materialist_girl on January 20, 2015, 07:51:11 PM
Whoa.. Fucking Broadchurch.. Another example of a show (along with Utopia and Rectify) that had an excellent first season, but that is just killing it with its second season. I didn't see how they could continue the intensity of the first season with the same characters, but man.. that's a good TV crime show.

I watched the first season over a few days, and it's killing me that I have to wait week-by-week for the second.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on January 20, 2015, 07:59:52 PM
Fargo

Hmm. I feel like I hated the characters too much to be fairly evaluate the quality of that show.

How about Billy-Bob Thornton's character?  I thought he was absolutely hilarious.  He was this trickster/cartoon sociopath/force of nature construct with a certain cheekiness about him.  Had to've been fun to write and fun to act.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on January 20, 2015, 10:12:06 PM
A revolving poll where we can pick up to five currently-running shows would be nice for this thread...
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: goodthink on January 20, 2015, 11:34:31 PM
Fargo

Hmm. I feel like I hated the characters too much to be fairly evaluate the quality of that show.

How about Billy-Bob Thornton's character?  I thought he was absolutely hilarious.  He was this trickster/cartoon sociopath/force of nature construct with a certain cheekiness about him.  Had to've been fun to write and fun to act.

Thing I liked about Fargo was it represented, I think, life pretty well. You have all these people who do a job and suck at it. They don't mean to suck at it, they just do. And in their mediocrity they shun those who excel at their job. Then you have the psychopaths who just do whatever they like, because they can. They have no social mooring and they always colour outside  the lines. And you have psychopaths preying on psychopaths and the rationalized morality of evil being justified.

It was also funny. And I like Colin Hanks. He has his dad's likability.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Plastiq on January 21, 2015, 01:28:07 AM
Fargo

Hmm. I feel like I hated the characters too much to be fairly evaluate the quality of that show.

How about Billy-Bob Thornton's character?  I thought he was absolutely hilarious.  He was this trickster/cartoon sociopath/force of nature construct with a certain cheekiness about him.  Had to've been fun to write and fun to act.

Yep, absolutely hilarious. He was the only character I liked (ironically, given that he's kind of despicable).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on February 04, 2015, 10:46:07 AM
Wolf Hall.  So far so good at least.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on February 05, 2015, 01:32:49 AM
I hear Broadchurch is good.
apparently even the parents are enjoying it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on February 05, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
Really liked Attack on Titan.  Annie Leonheart reminds me a lot of a girl I went to Uni with a decade ago (I still know her, but she has a very fluid appearance and has had a major attitude shift, so it's 11-years-ago Lisa and not current Lisa at all).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on February 08, 2015, 09:24:12 AM
I watched the first episode of Honourable Woman when it was being aired on the BBC about 5 months ago. More accurately I had it on while I played on my iPad. Had some interesting elements, but I had a hard time following it and gave up because it didn't seem quite exciting enough to keep me engaged.

It appeared on Netflix a few months ago and Netflix has been putting it consistently at the top of my recommendations with 5 starts as their best guess for me. I decided to give it another go (their rating algorithm is pretty impressive). I loved it. It's definitely a slow burn, and the plot can get pretty complicated at times if you aren't paying close attention, but there is plenty of excitement, intrigue, and lots of solid plot twists. One I was proud I figured out a few episodes before they revealed it, and another huge one that caught me way off guard.

The experience reminded me of my excitement reading John LeCarre books as a kid. I don't know how those books would hold up for me now, but as a kid the spy world was something I was until that point unfamiliar with. This show brought back those same feelings.

Glad it was a mini-series so they didn't have to hold back any punches. I recommend it if you are willing to dedicate the time and attention. It's a fun and rewarding watch.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Plastiq on February 08, 2015, 09:30:56 AM
I watched the first episode of Honourable Woman when it was being aired on the BBC about 5 months ago. More accurately I had it on while I played on my iPad. Had some interesting elements, but I had a hard time following it and gave up because it didn't seem quite exciting enough to keep me engaged.

It appeared on Netflix a few months ago and Netflix has been putting it consistently at the top of my recommendations with 5 starts as their best guess for me. I decided to give it another go (their rating algorithm is pretty impressive). I loved it. It's definitely a slow burn, and the plot can get pretty complicated at times if you aren't paying close attention, but there is plenty of excitement, intrigue, and lots of solid plot twists. One I was proud I figured out a few episodes before they revealed it, and another huge one that caught me way off guard.

The experience reminded me of my excitement reading John LeCarre books as a kid. I don't know how those books would hold up for me now, but as a kid the spy world was something I was until that point unfamiliar with. This show brought back those same feelings.

Glad it was a mini-series so they didn't have to hold back any punches. I recommend it if you are willing to dedicate the time and attention. It's a fun and rewarding watch.

Thanks for that; just read up on it and it looks very promising. Struggle to find stuff that resonates with me these days, so nice to have another possibility.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on February 10, 2015, 01:50:37 AM
Better Call Saul is excellent.  It's a prequel to Breaking Bad which holds up all its own. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Plastiq on February 10, 2015, 02:06:42 AM
Better Call Saul is excellent.  It's a prequel to Breaking Bad which holds up all its own.

Ah, yes, I was just reading about this, looks really promising. Definitely going to give it a shot.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on February 10, 2015, 02:22:04 AM
I thought it was ok.
I was glad it wasn't just a setup sitcom'y style show, looks like it'll have more depth than I expected. but it wasn't funny or compelling, yet. thought they might've done more to try to hook the audience from the start. but I guess they know there's a bit of fan loyalty they can rely on
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on February 10, 2015, 03:53:36 AM
I've been watching Fortitude, and it is quite bloody brilliant.

Fortitude | Extended Trailer | Starts Thursday 29 on Sky Atlantic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egy3n-7DQAU#ws)

It has Stanley Tucci and Michael Gambon, so it can't actually be anything else. It is also very much different from anything that's on these days.

Plus, it is bloody gorgeous.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on February 10, 2015, 04:16:47 AM
Does anyone else watch Only Connect?

Highly recommended for anyone who enjoys trivia. It is the best quiz show on tv. The questions are, at times, ludicrously hard, which makes the ones you can answer incredibly satisfying. My wife hates it. She told the kids that Victoria Coren-Mitchell is my other girlfriend. They take the right royal piss out of me about it now.

Monday evenings in the UK at 8:00pm is University Challenge (also fab) and then at 8:30 it is Only Connect. An hour of trivial greatness.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on February 12, 2015, 10:23:17 AM
Ok so its not in the league of Game of Thrones but Marvels Agent Carter is really really impressing me!
Great performances, fun spy stuff. Peggy is a scathingly smart 1940s english lady who can brawl like indiana jones.
I keep almost punching the air!
They are also setting up the origin for Black Widow which will add some depth to the movies. I was really hoping against hope for an implied wolverine cameo as her trainer like in the comic but capitalism. Whatayagonado?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on February 12, 2015, 10:52:14 AM
Peggy is a scathingly smart 1940s english lady who can brawl like indiana jones.

I knew she reminded me of someone.

And I'll second this.  Agent Carter's a winner for action/adventure. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on February 12, 2015, 12:39:24 PM
I love Bob's Burgers! I'm about to catch up to the very latest ep. tonight.
It has restored my hope in prime-time cartoon families. Unlike Family Guy and Simpsons, these are characters; not just jokes waiting to happen. This show has real moments of heart. The two sisters bonding are my favorite moments. I love Tina becoming a woman. I love that Louise would never admit she admires Tina, but she does. Unfortunately, this leaves Gene kinda undeveloped and just spouting nonsense most of the time, but I guess he's got his music. I like that Linda has foibles and jokes too and is not just the disapproving, nagging "straight-man" mom all the time. And Jon Benjamin's voice as the put-upon dad with a humble dream is perfect.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on February 12, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
I love Bob's Burgers! I'm about to catch up to the very latest ep. tonight.
It has restored my hope in prime-time cartoon families. Unlike Family Guy and Simpsons, these are characters; not just jokes waiting to happen. This show has real moments of heart. The two sisters bonding are my favorite moments. I love Tina becoming a woman. I love that Louise would never admit she admires Tina, but she does. Unfortunately, this leaves Gene kinda undeveloped and just spouting nonsense most of the time, but I guess he's got his music. I like that Linda has foibles and jokes too and is not just the disapproving, nagging "straight-man" mom all the time. And Jon Benjamin's voice as the put-upon dad with a humble dream is perfect.

QUEEN LATIFA, GIVE ME STRENGTH!

Actually, I think Gene is a very fully realized character.  But admittedly less dynamic than the two girls. 

But yeah, the way Jon Benjamin puts such love and disapproval when he admonishes his kids for doing something outrageous really warms my heart.  It hilarious to me how he can inviting and outraged at the same time.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on February 12, 2015, 03:35:57 PM
I love Bob's Burgers! I'm about to catch up to the very latest ep. tonight.
It has restored my hope in prime-time cartoon families. Unlike Family Guy and Simpsons, these are characters; not just jokes waiting to happen. This show has real moments of heart. The two sisters bonding are my favorite moments. I love Tina becoming a woman. I love that Louise would never admit she admires Tina, but she does. Unfortunately, this leaves Gene kinda undeveloped and just spouting nonsense most of the time, but I guess he's got his music. I like that Linda has foibles and jokes too and is not just the disapproving, nagging "straight-man" mom all the time. And Jon Benjamin's voice as the put-upon dad with a humble dream is perfect.

YESS!!!

It is really the best thing on tv at the moment. I might say it is even better than the Simpsons at their best.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on March 06, 2015, 10:56:32 AM
Not the very best, but quite good: 

I've started watching Justice League Unlimited.  There are so many animated costume shows out there that I can't keep straight which ones are supposed to be good and which ones are not, so I had no real expectations for this one.  I've found it quite enjoyable so far - it's gone in some directions I wouldn't have predicted.

OK, having completed the first season, I'm upgrading Justice League Unlimited from "Not the very best, but quite good" to "among the very best".  The season as a complete entity was VERY satisfying, with individual episodes, two-parters, and a great season-long through line that were consistently fantastic.  Highly recommend. (if you like this sort of thing).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on March 06, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
I just started watching House of Cards last night (saw 4 episodes). It's really good--and I suspect it is hitting on many, many things that are very true in Washington.
Especially with the state of journalism, the 24/7 news cycle, how politicians can massage the stories, and how the decline of newspapers has made the whole field a free-for-all.

Kevin Spacey is perfect for the part, he's kind of played characters like this before. Treacherous guy with easy charm --he does it well. He's despicable but almost likable. He breaks the fourth wall frequently--and every time he does, he nails it. Usually saying something offensive and hilarious at the same time. It is a cools stylistic tactic by the producers and it works very well.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 06, 2015, 03:36:49 PM
Better Call Saul is excellent.  It's a prequel to Breaking Bad which holds up all its own.

It's just about perfect.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on March 06, 2015, 10:14:46 PM
I wouldn't typically watch network dramas anymore, but I was sold by the repeated advertisements on Slate podcasts so I watched the premier of American Crime. Really good so far. Definitely felt like a cable drama in terms of acting and production value. Excited to see where it goes.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on March 16, 2015, 12:03:37 PM
Watched the first 3 episodes of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt last night with the family (well, kiddo had Tinkerbell Pirate Fairy on a different screen, but there you go).  We really liked it, top to bottom.  The intro is amusing, the story is great, the gags are a mix of subtle and over-the-top.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on March 16, 2015, 03:44:14 PM
Watched the first 3 episodes of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt last night with the family (well, kiddo had Tinkerbell Pirate Fairy on a different screen, but there you go).  We really liked it, top to bottom.  The intro is amusing, the story is great, the gags are a mix of subtle and over-the-top.

I'm really enjoying it. So clearly the same minds that worked on 30 rock, and so clearly from the brain of Tina Fey.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 16, 2015, 07:47:47 PM
Watched the first 3 episodes of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt last night with the family (well, kiddo had Tinkerbell Pirate Fairy on a different screen, but there you go).  We really liked it, top to bottom.  The intro is amusing, the story is great, the gags are a mix of subtle and over-the-top.

I'm really enjoying it. So clearly the same minds that worked on 30 rock, and so clearly from the brain of Tina Fey.
I'm on the 3rd episode myself. Oh my GOD this show is dark. But hilarious.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on March 16, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
I like it but I'm not a 100%, maybe 7/10.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 17, 2015, 08:52:19 AM
Watched the first 3 episodes of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt last night with the family (well, kiddo had Tinkerbell Pirate Fairy on a different screen, but there you go).  We really liked it, top to bottom.  The intro is amusing, the story is great, the gags are a mix of subtle and over-the-top.

"The series follows 29-year old Kimmy Schmidt as she adjusts to life in New York City after her rescue from an Indiana doomsday cult."

This show has me at Indiana doomsday cult.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on March 17, 2015, 09:20:30 AM
if someone edit their comment?
I got the torrents of Schmidt based on a comment I saw that I don't see anymore.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on March 17, 2015, 09:26:29 AM
I loved The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt. 10,000/10

Still laughing 4 days after finishing binge watching all 1st season on Netflix.

there will be a season 2...JOY!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 17, 2015, 10:05:23 AM
Watched the first 3 episodes of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt last night with the family (well, kiddo had Tinkerbell Pirate Fairy on a different screen, but there you go).  We really liked it, top to bottom.  The intro is amusing, the story is great, the gags are a mix of subtle and over-the-top.

I'm really enjoying it. So clearly the same minds that worked on 30 rock, and so clearly from the brain of Tina Fey.
I'm on the 3rd episode myself. Oh my GOD this show is dark. But hilarious.
Okay, so I realize that we live in an era in which It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia exists, so perhaps it's not *that* dark. There's definitely an edge to it, more than there was in 30 Rock (which is a bit underrated as far as that goes; I half-expected the show to end with Kenneth shooting up the cast), but okay, perhaps it isn't as blatantly "nasty people get what's coming to them" dark the way TV can get nowadays. It is definitely "we are making non-stop jokes* but we are also dealing with some pretty damn dark subject matter". And not just regarding Kimmy and her fellow "mole people" either; there is another bit that gets touched on regarding Jane Krakowski's character's origin story (by the way, she is very much a cross between Jenna on 30 Rock and Jack Donaghy, if you're into that sort of thing) that I know has gotten the show some heat from Native American activist organizations, for instance.

My early verdict on this show, now being about halfway through, is that it really is Tina Fey at the top of her game. It's funny in a way how *different* this show is from Parks and Recreation even though Fey and Amy Poehler have worked with each other for 20+ years and both are single-camera shows. Where P&R is built around long takes, actors not always knowing when they're being filmed and when they're not, and small bits of improvisation that make each scene feel organic and "real", both 30 Rock and this show seem to use single camera in order to give the director *more* control than they could ever possibly get on the standard 3-camera live stage format. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Tina Fey == Wes Anderson but I think a comparison can be made...

*This is definitely a Tina Fey project with the sheer volume of jokes layered in there.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on March 18, 2015, 06:26:14 PM
If not for this thread I would never have found this show! Thanks folks! Kimmy makes me want to be a better person!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 18, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
It's definitely a charming little show and a real winner.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on March 22, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
just marathoned my way through The Jinx

if anyone plans on watching it, be sure to avoid google.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on March 22, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
What is it exactly?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on March 22, 2015, 04:53:15 PM
What is it exactly?

Mini-series documentary about a millionaire who was accused of 3 murders in the last 35 years but who is still free and has maintained his innocence.

Bloodline, the new Netflix series, has been really enjoyable. I think part of it is being from Florida, and enjoying the hell out of the scenery and lifestyle, but it's a well produced/acted show regardless.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 23, 2015, 09:55:04 AM
What is it exactly?

Mini-series documentary about a millionaire who was accused of 3 murders in the last 35 years but who is still free and has maintained his innocence.
SPOILER ALERT: The "still free" bit might be pushing things, as following the series finale he was indicted for one of the murders. It was also created by the guy who did the documentary "Capturing the Friedmans", which in my mind ought to be in the canon of skeptical works (it's about a family that was accused of running a child molestation ring in the 1990s; the charges are so absurd and the methodology used to extract "confessions" so unbelievably unethical that it might make you skeptical of *anything* law enforcement does... and yet, the director tries so hard to present everything objectively even though there's clearly one side that is completely full of shit that it actually manages to make the experience even more powerful).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 23, 2015, 12:19:38 PM
Downside is the guy also directed Catfish, which was a most excellent totally faked documentary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jarecki
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on March 23, 2015, 12:23:51 PM
Deadwood, I just saw the first season and it was pretty good, didn't quite live up to the hype.  Then I made the mistake of watching the extras on the DVD.  The creator/writer is such a tool I might actually enjoy the show less having listened to is BS.   Man, is that guy pleased with himself.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on March 23, 2015, 01:15:31 PM
Deadwood, I just saw the first season and it was pretty good, didn't quite live up to the hype.  Then I made the mistake of watching the extras on the DVD.  The creator/writer is such a tool I might actually enjoy the show less having listened to is BS.   Man, is that guy pleased with himself.

Yeah  David Milch is a tool, who made one brilliant series and thought he could shit gold.  Deadwood did him in.  Before that he did yeoman's work - serviceable, but not stunning.  After that he went off the deep end.  Shit like John from Cincinnati made me question if he ever understood the medium of TV at all.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 23, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
Deadwood is kind of awesome, though. I have to give him that.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on March 23, 2015, 04:38:32 PM
Deadwood is kind of awesome, though. I have to give him that.
Indeed. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 26, 2015, 09:32:19 PM
The Americans is still fantastic.  It's a great and unsexy portrayal of spycraft and mail robot abuse.

(http://i.imgur.com/BPtA5Ao.gif)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: MikeHz on March 28, 2015, 11:42:49 PM
Yeah, The Americans is certainty worth watching.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 29, 2015, 01:08:44 AM
Definitely not on the level of The Americans but I've been binge-watching An Idiot Abroad this past week. The basic idea is that the dummy from the Ricky Gervais podcast gets sent out around the world to be underwhelmed by other cultures and so on. I expected this to be too much like the podcast, which is funny at points but is also an awful lot of Gervais and Stephen Merchant insulting him. I knew guys who would put up with this IRL in radio in exchange for the fame so I was never quite sure if this was an act or if Pilkington really is that stupid. After just about finishing the first season I think I can safely say that at least 90% of it is an act. He's game, more or less, for anything so long as it doesn't involve him possibly getting physically harmed (which means no bullfighting but yes to dancing in the Carnivale, walking though a festival in India and getting doused with colored powder, and working out against Luchadors). After a while, you start laughing at his observations not because they're particularly dumb or anything but because the guy is actually and genuinely whimsical and funny (there's this whole bit, for instance, where he goes to Chichen Itza and starts dancing to The Human League; it's pretty damn funny).

For a show featuring Gervais, there's actually surprisingly little cringe humor. There are a few NSFW moments (particularly the bit of the India show with the gurus) but by and large, once you accept that it is, in fact an act, the dynamic of the show is Pilkington good-naturely wading his way through some of the worst things Gervais and Merchant can find for him to do. It's very much a reality show satire of travel shows like the ones hosted by Michael Palin and Rick Steves.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: MikeHz on March 29, 2015, 02:51:11 AM
I love An Idiot Abroad. I think I'be seen every episode a couple times, at least.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on March 30, 2015, 02:26:54 PM
ok..not the VERY best yet, but iZombie is going to be up there, it's delightful.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on March 30, 2015, 05:43:52 PM
Rob Thomas is a pretty safe bet.  So glad he came out of his Veronica Mars exile.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 04, 2015, 02:14:18 AM
anyone watching Black Sails? I'm just about through season 1.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on April 04, 2015, 02:55:47 AM
I really like An Idiot Abroad too. Its one of those shows that I feel is worth watching because it is low in episodes and unique.
Sometimes Karl does say something that really resonates with me, like when he spends the night in a cave opposite the place from Last Crusade and observes that he is sleeping in a cave but he gets to look at a castle while those in the castle would be looking at a cave.

Im not sure yet if this show belongs here but its so different and adventurous that Im going to suggest people watch it- Man Seeking Woman.
Jay Baruschel is mourning a break up in a world where the things we say seem to be reality. So when his ex dates a guy who is literally Hitler, well...he is literally Hitler. The resulting awkwardness when Jay (a jew) realises that people at the party think its rude to bring up the past misdeeds of a guy who is actually pretty cool once you get to know him is priceless!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Plastiq on April 04, 2015, 12:33:52 PM
Man, I find Karl Pilkington desperately and devastatingly unfunny.  ???
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 04, 2015, 08:13:00 PM
I enjoyed the Gervais podcast innat for about a year. questioning how fake it all is has caused me to not revisit it.

Gervais isn't that smart, and something tells me Pilkington isn't that dumb, though I do find his trains of thought quite alien, which means I'd be impressed if he were actually quite different to his tv/podcast character and just conjuring up that convincing dope personality.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on April 04, 2015, 11:35:25 PM
I don't think he's "different" per se. Maybe "it's an act" was a bit far. I think that what happened was that Gervais and Stephen Merchant discovered him when he was a producer on their radio show back in the 90s, and they've employed him ever since then. The thing about talk radio is, you're on the air for 15 hours a week and working on creating content for another 30-45 hours a week. Even if you get on the air and just act like yourself, you're really not acting like yourself. You're acting like an extreme, more entertaining version of yourself. In Karl's case, he just lets the lateral thinking go, and I think that on top of that in spite of what Gervais/Merchant have implied in the past I think it's pretty clear that he's developed a great deadpan as well (there are bits in An Idiot Abroad, especially Season 2, where he breaks "character" and starts laughing his ass off at some slam Ricky is making on him that sealed it for me).

In the end, I don't think he even comes across as all that dumb on the show. Undereducated, perhaps, and very, very English at points (he gets as freaked out at the prospect of cuddling with a woman who is not his girlfriend as with going to a leather bar, and is actually even more freaked by both than by spending a day with a bunch of Thai "ladyboys", for example), but stupid? Nah, I don't think a straight-up stupid person is as able and willing to role-play stuff as much as he does with Ricky and Stephen, and most of all a stupid person doesn't come up with a lot of his observations.
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Post by: amysrevenge on April 04, 2015, 11:37:46 PM
We finally got to the end of Kimmy Schmidt. So good start to finish.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on April 06, 2015, 09:29:54 AM
We finally got to the end of Kimmy Schmidt. So good start to finish.

Or, as my 4yo calls it, "the show where the black guy farted", aka the Best Show Ever.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on April 06, 2015, 11:37:03 AM
We finally got to the end of Kimmy Schmidt. So good start to finish.

Or, as my 4yo calls it, "the show where the black guy farted", aka the Best Show Ever.

I begin to understand why a well-executed fart joke is now a vital part of every kids' animated movie.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: petrolpetal on April 06, 2015, 12:10:12 PM
I'm loving 'An Honourable Woman'
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on April 07, 2015, 04:48:11 AM
Deadwood, I just saw the first season and it was pretty good, didn't quite live up to the hype.  Then I made the mistake of watching the extras on the DVD.  The creator/writer is such a tool I might actually enjoy the show less having listened to is BS.   Man, is that guy pleased with himself.

Yeah  David Milch is a tool, who made one brilliant series and thought he could shit gold.  Deadwood did him in.  Before that he did yeoman's work - serviceable, but not stunning.  After that he went off the deep end.  Shit like John from Cincinnati made me question if he ever understood the medium of TV at all.


I liked both John from Cincinnati and Luck.  Too bad about the latter.  Stupid horses.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on April 07, 2015, 04:49:36 AM
Deadwood is kind of awesome, though. I have to give him that.


IMO, Deadwood is the best series ever broadcast in America.  The first two seasons, anyway.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on April 07, 2015, 10:30:49 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love Deadwood but at the very least The Americans would give it a run for its money.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on April 07, 2015, 10:43:30 AM
ZOMG, Fortitude is just getting better and better and more insane.

Also, it is still by far the most gorgeous-looking thing on television at the moment.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 07, 2015, 03:45:46 PM
DCI Morton's exit has me pretty, "Meh," about the interpersonal drama right now, but I'm really digging the slow build-up of the parasite.  Fortitude's definitely a winner. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on April 08, 2015, 11:11:28 AM
Definitely not a "best TV show" but I've been watching the first season of F Troop. It's basically a slapsticky version of McHale's Navy set in the Old West. I'm not saying this is anything great but in spite of this show being made right smack in the middle of the LCD Era of TV, its desire to satirize Western movies and TV shows causes it to do some things which I think are pretty neat. The local Indian tribe, for instance, is played for laughs, of course, but it's led by a peaceful yet conniving chief who delivers some Doctor Phil level bullshit sayings. I feel like it straddles the line between being outright racist and playing with the stereotypes so much that it's clearly ironic.

One of the things that I really enjoy about the show is that there's a fairly large cast of characters and then within that cast there's a fairly large group with its own agency. I mean, there's only so much they can do with the crappy bugler or the nearsighted watchman, but whatever the conflict is that's introduced in the episode, you can bet that Captain Parmenter (played by Ken Berry of Mama's Family fame), both his 2nd and 3rd in command, the chief, the medicine man, and whoever is the antagonist of the week will have their own agenda. This, trust me, is not altogether common in that era.

It doesn't hurt either that the particular LCD angle they take in this show is slapstick, which, of all the kinds of humor that were big in the 60s and before is probably the type that survives the best into the modern era.

I actually think this show would do well to be remade in the 21st century. It doesn't feel anything at all like The Office or Parks and Rec but I feel like you could give a show set in a post-Civil War western outpost could very easily have that direction, and I think the results could be kind of awesome. Also, you could make it without a laugh track, which would be nice.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on April 08, 2015, 11:15:03 AM
DCI Morton's exit has me pretty, "Meh," about the interpersonal drama right now, but I'm really digging the slow build-up of the parasite.  Fortitude's definitely a winner.

Butbutbut it was Stanley Tucci!

Also, it is pretty damn ballsy to have a series with Christopher Eccleston, Michael Gambon and Stanley Tucci,
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This alone deserves respect.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 08, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
Haha, yeah, definitely.  I'm used to seeing talent like that strut around like show horses.  Fortitude gave them good material and, somewhat unfortunately, good exits. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on April 09, 2015, 12:24:45 PM
@midnight last night (April 8 ) was particularly entertaining to me.  It's still my favourite show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on April 09, 2015, 02:38:56 PM
"Broke Girls"

This nuanced and sophisticated show is surprisingly heartfelt, and has a gripping storyline that will keep you watching. Not to mention the fleshed out, complicated and interesting cast of characters that really speak to how diverse and deep characters can be in media. The humor is subtle and balanced, along with hilarious.

I recommend this show to anyone who is human.

11/10
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on April 09, 2015, 03:15:12 PM
"Broke Girls"

This nuanced and sophisticated show is surprisingly heartfelt, and has a gripping storyline that will keep you watching. Not to mention the fleshed out, complicated and interesting cast of characters that really speak to how diverse and deep characters can be in media. The humor is subtle and balanced, along with hilarious.

I recommend this show to anyone who is human.

11/10

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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on April 09, 2015, 03:17:32 PM
Yep.  That was my reaction too.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on April 09, 2015, 03:21:09 PM
"Broke Girls"

And they make fun of Koreans and Polish. So 12/10.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on April 09, 2015, 04:13:39 PM
"Broke Girls"

And they make fun of Koreans and Polish. So 12/10.

plus they have my favorite character, the token black guy why says black guy things

so

13/10
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on April 09, 2015, 04:27:54 PM
"Broke Girls"

And they make fun of Koreans and Polish. So 12/10.

plus they have my favorite character, the token black guy why says black guy things

so

13/10

Whew

/me wipes the sweat from his brow.

Thanks for clarifying there!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on April 09, 2015, 04:30:26 PM
"Broke Girls"

And they make fun of Koreans and Polish. So 12/10.

plus they have my favorite character, the token black guy why says black guy things

so

13/10

Whew

/me wipes the sweat from his brow.

Thanks for clarifying there!

Yepp, just for anyone still wondering.

Dont watch Broke girls.Its the worst thing I have ever scene.
The fact its gotten past the first season, let alone a pilot episode is a sad commentary on the average consumer of media..
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on April 09, 2015, 04:58:22 PM
@midnight last night (April 8 ) was particularly entertaining to me.  It's still my favourite show.

I haven't had a chance to watch many episodes, but there was one a few months back where Hardwick lost his shit during the opening rant. It was wonderful.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on April 09, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
Will Forte and Kristen Schaal and Horatio Sanz were on last night, and all three were on fire start to finish.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on April 09, 2015, 05:04:08 PM
I'll put it on the docket for tonight's veg-out time.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 10, 2015, 05:49:27 AM
Broke Girls is like the world's worst MadTV sketch, but it never ends
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on April 10, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
I'm the type of person who usually has TV on as background. I watch a breakfast tv show in the morning and more times than not I have it on at night and leave it on the same station. The station seems, after the 6 pm news, to flip to this Two Broke Girls and Modern Family All Night Party station. TBG really does have to be some of the most irritating stuff on the planet.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on April 10, 2015, 09:11:42 PM
I watched a few episodes of Daredevil.

I like it quite a bit. The pacing is measured and full of menace. Episodes are about 50 minutes of show, so they have time to do some long, slow shots.

I'm impressed.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on April 11, 2015, 01:14:26 AM
I'm the type of person who usually has TV on as background. I watch a breakfast tv show in the morning and more times than not I have it on at night and leave it on the same station. The station seems, after the 6 pm news, to flip to this Two Broke Girls and Modern Family All Night Party station. TBG really does have to be some of the most irritating stuff on the planet.
That at least provides a *little* bit of context, but... and no offense to you Gerbig, but there is an awwwwful lot of great television out there and it always strikes me as curious that anyone would choose to watch something that they think is terrible in this day and age. I mean, I can think of a couple permutations...

1. You think it sucks but the SO likes it, in which case I'd probably find something else to do during that time, but I am an antisocial bastard.
2. A friend recommended it to you, in which case DISOWN THE FRIEND and for the love of God stop watching it.
3. You actually work at the television show, like adding in commercials and stuff, and as such you can't not watch it. That was pretty much the reason why I had to listen to so much shitty right wing talk radio back in the day but then, that crap's probably all automated now anyway.
4. There is something redeemable or possibly redeemable about the show that compels you to keep watching, in which case "terrible" is probably not the right word for it.

I'm just... I don't know. I was at a local eatery a couple weeks ago and noticed that the station they were showing was playing a new sitcom starring Tim Allen. The volume was turned all the way down so I "had" to watch via captioning and after like 5 minutes I remember thinking "wow, that looks like shit" and turning my attention to something else. There's just way too much to turn one's attention to nowadays, I think. It's not like the olden days where if you didn't want the C- humor of Golden Girls you had to choose a D+ show on another channel or nothing at all.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on April 11, 2015, 10:22:37 AM
Its just on one of "the approved" channels in the break room. People are chuckling with it so I don't want to be rude and change it. I wouldnt seek out the show by own accord.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 11, 2015, 10:24:14 AM
Its just on one of "the approved" channels in the break room. People are chuckling with it so I don't want to be rude and change it. I wouldnt seek out the show by own accord.

this situation is how I know Big Bang Theory is terrible -- based on the insipid humans that laugh at it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 11, 2015, 10:25:27 AM
I was at a local eatery a couple weeks ago and noticed that the station they were showing was playing a new sitcom starring Tim Allen. The volume was turned all the way down so I "had" to watch via captioning and after like 5 minutes I remember thinking "wow, that looks like shit"

the jailbait one, or a newer one?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on April 11, 2015, 12:02:42 PM
I don't know. It had a bit at the end where he appeared to be talking to the YouTube, so probably the "new" one?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on April 13, 2015, 09:37:30 AM
Over The Garden Wall 9/10

The very definition of whimsy.

In fact my only criticism is that it sometimes feels as if they sat down and said 'right, how can we make the most whimsical cartoon possible?'

Luckily they succeeded in making a beautifully animated and quite moving piece of art. It is highly reminiscent of Studio Ghibli, has fab voice acting and a dark undercurrent of darkness that is satisfyingly, erm , dark.

On Cartoon Network. I loved it, did I say that? It was serialized and also shown uninterrupted this weekend.

My kids have watched it thrice with great enthusiasm.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on April 13, 2015, 10:44:38 AM
Over The Garden Wall 9/10

The very definition of whimsy.

In fact my only criticism is that it sometimes feels as if they sat down and said 'right, how can we make the most whimsical cartoon possible?'

Luckily they succeeded in making a beautifully animated and quite moving piece of art. It is highly reminiscent of Studio Ghibli, has fab voice acting and a dark undercurrent of darkness that is satisfyingly, erm , dark.

On Cartoon Network. I loved it, did I say that? It was serialized and also shown uninterrupted this weekend.

My kids have watched it thrice with great enthusiasm.

It was brilliant, IMHO.  9/10 here too.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on April 13, 2015, 01:34:15 PM
Over The Garden Wall 9/10

The very definition of whimsy.

In fact my only criticism is that it sometimes feels as if they sat down and said 'right, how can we make the most whimsical cartoon possible?'

Luckily they succeeded in making a beautifully animated and quite moving piece of art. It is highly reminiscent of Studio Ghibli, has fab voice acting and a dark undercurrent of darkness that is satisfyingly, erm , dark.

On Cartoon Network. I loved it, did I say that? It was serialized and also shown uninterrupted this weekend.

My kids have watched it thrice with great enthusiasm.

What age / temperament is it aimed at?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on April 13, 2015, 01:43:17 PM
What age / temperament is it aimed at?

It is a mite bit scary, so I wouldn't go below your average 7 yo.  Other than that, it really is for all ages - even grumpy old farts and cynical teenagers.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on April 13, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
Far be it from me to assume to know what was intended by the creators of the show but it is a little difficult to classify. The style and some of the content is very childish but the themes and several of the major events are quite scary and involve prolonged threat.

That being said, my littlest is 4 and she loved it. My boy is 7 and he loved it but not as much as the little girl. The eldest girl loved it too. I loved it. My wife loved it. It is charming, gentle, melancholic and thoughtful. Plus Greg sings great songs and has a tea kettle on his head. And there is a frog called Benjamin Franklin. What's not to like?
TL:DR: A family film with some caution for younger viewers about the scary bits. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on April 13, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
Over The Garden Wall 9/10

The very definition of whimsy.

In fact my only criticism is that it sometimes feels as if they sat down and said 'right, how can we make the most whimsical cartoon possible?'

Luckily they succeeded in making a beautifully animated and quite moving piece of art. It is highly reminiscent of Studio Ghibli, has fab voice acting and a dark undercurrent of darkness that is satisfyingly, erm , dark.

On Cartoon Network. I loved it, did I say that? It was serialized and also shown uninterrupted this weekend.

My kids have watched it thrice with great enthusiasm.

Me and the wife caught the whole marathon from start to finish on CN. Both of us agreed it was totally enchanting.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 13, 2015, 02:23:47 PM
finally watched the Black Mirror Christmas Special.

well worth the watch.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on April 14, 2015, 12:48:10 AM
What age / temperament is it aimed at?

It is a mite bit scary, so I wouldn't go below your average 7 yo.  Other than that, it really is for all ages - even grumpy old farts and cynical teenagers.

Thx. Mine is a terribly brave 4.5 y/o unless she's with me. Somehow daddy, who Does Not Coddle is the one who provokes helpless princess-ness (see my 'WTF it was good the first time (but not named this) (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44077.0.html)' new thread comment to delve if you wish).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on April 14, 2015, 09:40:07 AM
finally watched the Black Mirror Christmas Special.

well worth the watch.

I can only imagine. Did it involve fucking the Christmas ham?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on April 14, 2015, 12:41:32 PM
finally watched the Black Mirror Christmas Special.

well worth the watch.

I can only imagine. Did it involve fucking the Christmas ham?

Strangely. quite the reverse.
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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 14, 2015, 01:58:19 PM
finally watched the Black Mirror Christmas Special.

well worth the watch.

I can only imagine. Did it involve fucking the Christmas ham?

Strangely. quite the reverse.
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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on April 14, 2015, 02:58:18 PM
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Post by: Neutral Milk on April 14, 2015, 04:30:51 PM
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Post by: GodSlayer on April 14, 2015, 05:13:20 PM
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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on April 14, 2015, 05:25:02 PM
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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on April 15, 2015, 09:44:42 AM
Dammit. Now I have to watch it to see what's all the spoiler tag action.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on April 15, 2015, 09:51:15 AM
It was the best Black Mirror. The most well-rounded story with superlative acting. Also, atrocious and gently terrifying. All together now...
"Well, I wish it could be Christmas every day...."  >:D

that song, as bad as it already was, is now a source of post-traumatic shivers for me. Brrrr.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 15, 2015, 04:44:40 PM
Dammit. Now I have to watch it to see what's all the spoiler tag action.

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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 15, 2015, 05:21:47 PM
Dammit. Now I have to watch it to see what's all the spoiler tag action.

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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Herra Efahyggja on April 21, 2015, 07:17:00 PM
The Golden Girls and Maude.

Just try and find the Maude episode "Vivian's First Funeral." One of the funniest bits of writing I've ever seen.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 21, 2015, 11:06:14 PM
Mad Men's in its final season, still in top form.  Glen's as creepy as ever.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Herra Efahyggja on April 23, 2015, 08:09:06 PM
There, I found that Maude episode. So funny! It's funny to see Rue McClanahan as someone other than Blanche. But yeah, the shenanigans at the funeral... hilarious!

https://youtu.be/F03WGJ52sz8 (https://youtu.be/F03WGJ52sz8)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Zytheran on April 27, 2015, 08:14:14 PM
Fortitude from the UK. Has this made it to the US yet? Well worth the watch with "interesting" characters and an X-Files / Twin Peaks feel to it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on April 28, 2015, 12:10:26 AM
Other Space on Yahoo! Screen.
They gave Dan Harmon a 6th season, and they gave Paul Feig a sci-fi comedy. Check it out! It's quite clever.
https://screen.yahoo.com/other-space/episode-1-great-beyond-beyond-070100400.html
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on May 15, 2015, 06:25:22 PM
American Crime is a network anthology that just finished its first season.

It was very good all season, but they really killed it with the finale. Great job concluding this particular chapter in the anthology.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on May 15, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
Just finished True Detectives, great show but hard to imagine how the next season isn't just going to be a completely different show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on May 16, 2015, 10:11:50 AM
Just finished True Detectives, great show but hard to imagine how the next season isn't just going to be a completely different show.

I assume it will be, which is why I have very little interest in it. ...I mean, it's potboiler stuff, like most sequels... it was a hit, so they want to use the good name the show has to push something else out in hopes of getting ratings and profits off that good name.

who knows, it might be good, it might have attracted good enough writers or something, but I definitely don't have high hopes, given the trend.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on May 16, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
But.. that's literally the point of an anthology show. That was the plan from the beginning.  You talk as if the show was successful and they were like "well shit, let's keep cashing in on this!" where the reality is they always hoped for multiple seasons with each season being totally different.

What you describe, though, would really be no different if you were talking about a non-anthology show. If the first season earns a second season sometimes it's good and sometimes its bad. How can you possibly make the assumption that it'll probably be bad like most sequels?

It's an HBO show. They generally don't fuck around, and have really only had one piss-poor show in their entire run of original programming IMO (John from Cincinnati). They've never had a second season that was crap after a good first season (say what you will about season 2 of the wire, but it was still pretty damn good compared to other shows on TV).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on May 17, 2015, 02:50:57 AM
Steven Universe is  a delightfully creative and luxuriantly-designed cartoon on Cartoon Network. It's not adult swim: it's for kids, but it's great and charming and sometimes a little weird in the best way. It's the new Adventure Time.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on May 18, 2015, 10:21:49 AM
Steven Universe is  a delightfully creative and luxuriantly-designed cartoon on Cartoon Network. It's not adult swim: it's for kids, but it's great and charming and sometimes a little weird in the best way. It's the new Adventure Time.

yeah it's quietly strange. I catch myself stopping and watching it when I'm turning channels. There was a cute episode recently about him finding a video of his mom and it was really cute.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on May 18, 2015, 10:53:04 AM
I can tolerate Steven Universe. it is beautiful to look at. I like surreal. Surreal is good.

However: I have really had enough of Uncle Grandpa. It is too silly. I never thought I could say those words but there you go.

Regular Show is starting to grate on my nerves too. "Yay- eeaah! Word! Bro!" bleeargh.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on May 19, 2015, 09:23:33 AM
Some great series from across the pond:

1) Happy Valley (set in some shitty UK town, woman cop, no guns, bad guys)

2) The Fall (set in some shitty Nothern Ireland Ireland, Scully, psycho pervert asshole)

3) Fortitude (set in Norway, filmed in Iceland, weird murder mystery/something else is going on... kind of punted the final ep though)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on May 19, 2015, 10:15:32 PM
I just saw e01of Grace&Frankie and I am chewing off my fingers to not binge watch that mofo. Hot damn gonna stick,it is. Great actors, wicked writing, real characters, and a comedic situati---


Oh shit I've been seduced by a sitcom because it was frelling great.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Naturebox on May 19, 2015, 10:36:57 PM
Rick and Morty is a very intelligent cartoon that needs to return for season 2 before I lose it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on May 19, 2015, 10:43:22 PM
Yeah grace and Frankie was way better than I expected. About 4 episodes in, and totally binge-watchable if I had the time.

I love the awkward situations they are clearly purposely putting Martin Sheen and Sam Waterson in. It feels sort of meta. Like the writers are fucking with them, and they're such great actors they let it seep through almost purposefully. I don't know how to explain it, but it's really fun to watch.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on May 19, 2015, 10:44:19 PM
Rick and Morty is a very intelligent cartoon that needs to return for season 2 before I lose it.

...this is the kind of statement where I'm happy to say, "Let's leave that with some ambiguity, shall we?" and back the fnork away.


;)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on May 19, 2015, 10:48:08 PM
Yeah grace and Frankie was way better than I expected. About 4 episodes in, and totally binge-watchable if I had the time.

I love the awkward situations they are clearly purposely putting Martin Sheen and Sam Waterson in. It feels sort of meta. Like the writers are fucking with them, and they're such great actors they let it seep through almost purposefully. I don't know how to explain it, but it's really fun to watch.

All the superhero shows are done for the season. My wife and I are watching the Musketeers (note: not in this thread for best of, but not nearly bad enough to risk the relationship) as a romp, but this will be a much more funtastic essperience.

Also, YAY for rampant alcoholism and drug use as normal in whitey whiteville america? And the black guy? WTF did that happen?

(I'm looking forward to a brilliant backstory or none at all ever at all none ever.)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on May 21, 2015, 04:01:54 PM
Late to the party, as it were, but here goes:

The Twilight Zone (original)
The Outer Limits (both, despite somewhat sexist storylines that frequented the original).
Star Trek: TNG
The X-Files
Cosmos (both, but I've only sparsely seen the original).
Penn & Teller: Bullshit
Mythbusters for the most part.
Is It Real...?
Battlestar Galactica (revamp)
Transformers.  Don't judge me.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on May 21, 2015, 04:09:30 PM
Transformers.  Don't judge me.

Can't help it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on May 21, 2015, 07:38:10 PM
Transformers.  Don't judge me.

Can't help it.

YE BE JUDGED AND FOUND WANTING AWESOME!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on May 21, 2015, 07:59:38 PM
Anybody else watching iZombie? It's been getting good reviews and the comic books were enjoyable so I decided to pick it up. Man... what is up with all these shows turning into detective dramas? In the comic series, the main character is a gravedigger / slacker who has a ghost friend and a were-terrier friend who help her track down murderers. Around the only thing left over from the books are that:

a. She's a zombie,
b. She has to eat brains every so often or else she turns into a shambling wreck, and
c. When she eats someone's brains she gains their memories.

The pilot seemed way too cliche but, well, pilots are pilots and that annoying thing where they have to include all of the tropes that the series is supposed to contain is a factor here. Also, the way she explains away the visions is that she's a psychic, which is something I really hope will change, as ever since Psych the "psychic detective" is ruined for me. Still, it's not a *terrible* idea and so far anyway the execution seems to be done a lot better than in Forever with Ioaoaoaoaoan Gruffud and Dear John. Just... guh, TV shows, not every damn show has to be a crime drama, and not every damn crime drama has to concern the city homicide department. Sherlock Holmes, the root of the genre, was a freaking private detective, for the love of God.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on May 21, 2015, 08:03:12 PM
Anybody else watching iZombie?
I have it on the DVR.  I am a fan of Rob Thomas*, and I tend to trust most of what he does.  But I have yet to watch it, as my wife won't commit to it.  So I think this Monday I will just do a marathon.

*He is no Brian Fuller, but then again, who is?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on May 21, 2015, 08:32:57 PM
Im finding a new found love for lie to me, I know its 5% science and 95% bullshit, but in terms of a procedural gotcha crime drama, its awesome.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on May 23, 2015, 12:57:55 AM
Anybody else watching iZombie?
I have it on the DVR.  I am a fan of Rob Thomas*, and I tend to trust most of what he does.  But I have yet to watch it, as my wife won't commit to it.  So I think this Monday I will just do a marathon.

*He is no Brian Fuller, but then again, who is?
If nothing else, the show wins special "fucking with Johnny Slick's head brownie points...

There's a murder case at the fore  and for whatever reason all the particulars are named after 1970s Seattle Supersonics. Like, the guy who was murdered is named Wally Walker, one of the side people in the case is named Freddie Brown (unfortunately they didn't go "whole hog" and call him Downtown Freddie Brown"), there's another character named Marvin Wesbster... so I was, as I am wont to do, blathering to myself stupid stuff like "OMG I THINK JACK SIKMA IS THE REAL KILLER" when this ine occurred...

"Look, my job is to present the case about the man who ran over Marvin Webster. It's up to the jury to decide if Gus Williams is innocent."

STOP PLAYING WITH MY HEAD ROB THOMAS
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on May 23, 2015, 01:17:59 AM
Anybody else watching iZombie?
I have it on the DVR.  I am a fan of Rob Thomas*

?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7spBU4Yv8fE
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on June 06, 2015, 11:25:50 AM
Hannibal season 3 has started

the dialogue in this first ep is great (I have no idea how much is from books, but apparently at least one scene is from one of the original movies)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on June 10, 2015, 11:40:50 AM
Oh man, Riff-trax / MST3K dudes were on @midnight last night.  Very good.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on June 12, 2015, 12:32:47 PM
I'll just note Unbreakable: Kimmy Schmidt from Netflix.

It was hilarious and carried the kind of personality you get when you mix Tina Fey and Arrested Development.

Theme song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfuFo0Rr3FQ
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on June 17, 2015, 01:26:12 AM
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell.  I tried to read the book and couldn't like it enough to continue.  The show is pretty good though, good cast and decent plot.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on June 25, 2015, 11:55:14 AM
AMC premiers a series called Humans. About humans owning androids. This is based on a Swedish series:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Humans

I downloaded the first season and started watching the original in anticipation of the AMC remake. It's really fucking creepy (though I've only watched the first ep). I was also hoping the Swedish version would have some nudity. And I was right.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on June 25, 2015, 03:17:52 PM
AMC premiers a series called Humans. About humans owning androids. This is based on a Swedish series:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Humans

I downloaded the first season and started watching the original in anticipation of the AMC remake. It's really fucking creepy (though I've only watched the first ep). I was also hoping the Swedish version would have some nudity. And I was right.

It's a TV4 show which actually started airing in the UK two weeks ago, so the first two episodes are already floating around. I really enjoyed them, and am looking forward to seeing where it goes.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on June 25, 2015, 04:19:52 PM
Im rewatching Bored to Death.
Its one of my all time favourite comedies, great awareness of the noir genre, brilliant dialogue and performances for a top notch cast.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on July 01, 2015, 12:59:18 AM
Mr Robot has a lot of promise.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on July 01, 2015, 08:32:24 AM
Mr Robot has a lot of promise.

I'm going to check this one out.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on July 01, 2015, 09:25:58 AM
AMC premiers a series called Humans. About humans owning androids. This is based on a Swedish series:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Humans

I downloaded the first season and started watching the original in anticipation of the AMC remake. It's really fucking creepy (though I've only watched the first ep). I was also hoping the Swedish version would have some nudity. And I was right.

Humans is really cool. 3 episodes in and we are enjoying it.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Zytheran on July 02, 2015, 08:57:12 AM
Humans and Mr. Robot for the win. Both are very, very good.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on July 14, 2015, 01:02:57 PM
AMC premiers a series called Humans. About humans owning androids. This is based on a Swedish series:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Humans

I downloaded the first season and started watching the original in anticipation of the AMC remake. It's really fucking creepy (though I've only watched the first ep). I was also hoping the Swedish version would have some nudity. And I was right.


tried to watch that tonight, but the file was dodgy.
instead I started Mr Robot, which has a bit of a fight club vibe about it
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on July 18, 2015, 10:32:23 AM
Mr. Robot reminds me of Dexter and Fight Club in the best possible ways.  And it's the best presentation of hacking and IT that I've ever seen on TV and the writing's mostly A-grade.  It's definitely worth checking out.

Also, it reminds me of Rubicon
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on July 18, 2015, 12:25:36 PM
didn't think of Dexter at first (the voice seems so similar to Edward Norton that I didn't even remember Dexter).

I'm up to ep 3 now, and I'm going to say there's a hint of Utopia in there, as well.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on July 20, 2015, 01:33:10 PM
Wife and I really enjoyed watching BBC's Catastrophe together.  It was one of those where we enjoyed it more together than either of us would have enjoyed it watching solo.  Looking forward to the next series.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on July 27, 2015, 10:18:54 AM
OK, I'm ready to put Netflix's "Bojack Horseman" in this thread.  I'm about 10 episodes in and loving it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 27, 2015, 02:49:04 PM
I've actually been binging on it to the point that I'm now around 5 episodes in to Season 2. It's funny but it's also pretty damn dark and the main character is a lot less sympathetic than most main characters in US-based sitcoms (I have to make that distinction because of the existence of Alan Partridge and David Brent), although at the same time Bojack does have redeeming quality of knowing he's an asshat but wanting to be a better person.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on July 27, 2015, 09:14:41 PM
started watching Humans. I definitely don't see anything special about this show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Zytheran on July 28, 2015, 04:56:14 AM
I've actually been binging on it to the point that I'm now around 5 episodes in to Season 2. It's funny but it's also pretty damn dark and the main character is a lot less sympathetic than most main characters in US-based sitcoms (I have to make that distinction because of the existence of Alan Partridge and David Brent), although at the same time Bojack does have redeeming quality of knowing he's an asshat but wanting to be a better person.
Yep.
Got through season 1 and thought...that's sorta sad. Season 2 is cued up.

On a happier note,anyone watched/watching Wayward Pines?Ep 6 and counting, it's going a bit silly. Wife is about to bail on it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on July 28, 2015, 05:40:51 AM

On a happier note,anyone watched/watching Wayward Pines?Ep 6 and counting, it's going a bit silly. Wife is about to bail on it.


Silly is the word. We did enjoy it though, enough to watch it till the end of season 1. Matt Dillon looks like he has been raised from the dead and is not happy about it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on July 28, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
I think it's over, isn't it?  I thought it's just a mini-series...

I liked how it started, but post-reveal it was ridiculous.  The strange thing is that I actually liked the twist, but I felt like that had to end the show.  The mystery was the only actually interesting thing about the show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on July 28, 2015, 01:57:48 PM
Currently binging Futurama on Netflix.
What a glorious series that was. Constantly hilarious and balances smart, dumb and slapstick humor perfectly.
Just reached the 2nd revival (out of three I think?),The four TV movies at the beginning of season 6 - and they're a never ending laughfest. A+!

Sent from my Nexus 7

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on July 28, 2015, 02:34:58 PM
I'm really enjoying season 2 of Welcome to Sweden. Gustaf is hilarious.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on July 28, 2015, 09:09:23 PM
I'm really enjoying season 2 of Welcome to Sweden. Gustaf is hilarious.

is it better with subtitles?
I tried to watch, but didn't get through the first ep because a lot of the dialogue was Swedish and my files weren't subbed.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on July 28, 2015, 09:31:56 PM
I'm really enjoying season 2 of Welcome to Sweden. Gustaf is hilarious.

is it better with subtitles?
I tried to watch, but didn't get through the first ep because a lot of the dialogue was Swedish and my files weren't subbed.

The American version is subtitled (where subtitles are the only difference of the two versions). The first season had smaller white text that kind of blended in with the scenery, making it difficult to read. This season has larger subtitles with a slightly-tinted transparent box behind it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Captain Video on July 29, 2015, 05:30:06 PM
"The Brink" is an unexpected gem of laughter. Both Tim Robbins and Jack Black are fantastic.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on July 29, 2015, 05:37:37 PM
OK, I'm ready to put Netflix's "Bojack Horseman" in this thread.  I'm about 10 episodes in and loving it.

Best gag so far was a next-level Cake Wrecks joke (paraphrasing):

Party with a hanging banner "CONGRATULATIONS MR. PEANUT BUTTER THERE IS NO SPACE IN PEANUT BUTTER"

Later, a second party with a hanging banner "CONGRATULATIONS MR. PEANUT BUTTER THERE IS NO SPACE IN PEANUT BUTTER DON'T WRITE THE PART ABOUT THE SPACE"
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on July 29, 2015, 08:05:42 PM
I just watched the finale of Community that was on Yahoo.
Pretty damn awesome and sad and perfect.
Ive had to cheer myself up with whiskey and Rick and Morty.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on August 03, 2015, 10:41:10 PM
I've actually been binging on it to the point that I'm now around 5 episodes in to Season 2. It's funny but it's also pretty damn dark and the main character is a lot less sympathetic than most main characters in US-based sitcoms (I have to make that distinction because of the existence of Alan Partridge and David Brent), although at the same time Bojack does have redeeming quality of knowing he's an asshat but wanting to be a better person.
Yep.
Got through season 1 and thought...that's sorta sad. Season 2 is cued up.


This is what's great about Bojack. It's animals doing silly Hollyweird shit, but every once in a while the show steps back from the gag-a-minute formula and gets real. And you feel for them.

Also, make sure you don't give up before ep 6 and 7, Slick.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Naturebox on August 07, 2015, 07:19:18 AM
"The Brink" is an unexpected gem of laughter. Both Tim Robbins and Jack Black are fantastic.

I'm shocked (but not really) that it has such low ratings. It's a pretty funny show, although not really clever.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on August 10, 2015, 03:23:08 PM
Started watching "Scandal". It's not bad, but it suffers from that Shonda Rhimes thing where people don't talk like human beings but instead go into lengthy hammy monologues.
Story's good otherwise, which makes it an interesting show at the very least.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on August 10, 2015, 03:58:10 PM
I'm really enjoying season 2 of Welcome to Sweden. Gustaf is hilarious.

This was canceled 2 weeks ago. I'm really bad at this game.

I hope they continue it on Netflix or something in the future.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on August 10, 2015, 04:13:43 PM
Started watching "Scandal". It's not bad, but it suffers from that Shonda Rhimes thing where people don't talk like human beings but instead go into lengthy hammy monologues.
Story's good otherwise, which makes it an interesting show at the very least.
I've been watching with my wife, shit gets crazy.  So much so that I quit watching midway through the second season.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on August 10, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
I don't know if I mentioned it before but Deutschland '83 is part of my rotation now.  A very compelling show about Stasi espionage in West Germany during the 80s, kind of like a German version of The Americans.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on August 10, 2015, 11:50:11 PM
Oooh, Sneaky Pete may be a winner.  Enjoying the pilot so far.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on August 11, 2015, 05:59:49 AM
Started watching "Scandal". It's not bad, but it suffers from that Shonda Rhimes thing where people don't talk like human beings but instead go into lengthy hammy monologues.
Story's good otherwise, which makes it an interesting show at the very least.
I've been watching with my wife, shit gets crazy.  So much so that I quit watching midway through the second season.

Yeah, the show completely went off the rails.
I should've waited a couple of days and posted this in the "not so best tv shows" thread.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: moj on August 14, 2015, 11:05:13 AM
The gf and I just finished season 2 of halt and catch fire. She had never seen pushing daises and thought it was great but such a different character for Lee Pace.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on August 14, 2015, 12:48:09 PM
Pushing Daisies was really one of the best shows ever that not enough people watched.
It was a work of art!

Sent from my Nexus 7
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on August 14, 2015, 07:13:30 PM
I love Pushing Daisies.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 14, 2015, 09:29:19 PM
Pushing Daisies was really one of the best shows ever that not enough people watched.
It was a work of art!

Sent from my Nexus 7
Dead Like Me by the same writer was fan freaking tastic as well (and not enough people watched it).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Zytheran on August 15, 2015, 10:26:07 AM
Mr. Robot Ep08 has leapt into the mind fuck realm of GoT with a few WTF??! moments. :-X I am finding this series extremely well written. Going by the Reddit forums I'm not the only one.
Sort out a therapist before you start watching it.  8)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on August 15, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
Pushing Daisies was really one of the best shows ever that not enough people watched.
It was a work of art!

Sent from my Nexus 7
Dead Like Me by the same writer was fan freaking tastic as well (and not enough people watched it).

Hannibal, by way of contrast, is way overwrought and hammy.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: petrolpetal on August 15, 2015, 02:23:11 PM
Pushing Daisies was really one of the best shows ever that not enough people watched.
It was a work of art!

Sent from my Nexus 7
Dead Like Me by the same writer was fan freaking tastic as well (and not enough people watched it).

Loved 'dead like me' - every bit of it!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 15, 2015, 07:43:25 PM
Pushing Daisies was really one of the best shows ever that not enough people watched.
It was a work of art!

Sent from my Nexus 7
Dead Like Me by the same writer was fan freaking tastic as well (and not enough people watched it).

Hannibal, by way of contrast, is way overwrought and hammy.
Yeah, I never did get around to watching it and now it's gone. Part of me was thinking it might have been Bryan Fuller's "Bunheads" to the earlier "Gilmore Girls" of DLM (i.e. another good show that just didn't get the airplay) but the critics seem to have classified it more along the lines of his "The Return of Jezebel James".

In conclusion, Amy Sherman-Palladino is awesome.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: UnicornPoop on August 15, 2015, 08:12:23 PM
Humans is my favorite TV show. Daredevil is my favorite Netflix show.

I've recently saw commercials for Colony on USA channel (I think). That looks very interesting.


-UPC
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Sawyer on August 15, 2015, 09:45:30 PM
On several recommendations here, I decided to start watching Broadchurch.

Yeeeeeikes.  And I thought Six Feet Under was gruesome ....

Did Olivia Coleman ever win anything for this role?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on August 15, 2015, 10:07:05 PM
On several recommendations here, I decided to start watching Broadchurch.

Yeeeeeikes.  And I thought Six Feet Under was gruesome ....

Did Olivia Coleman ever win anything for this role?

Have you finished Broadchurch yet? If so, what did you think of the ending?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Sawyer on August 16, 2015, 11:49:15 AM
On several recommendations here, I decided to start watching Broadchurch.

Yeeeeeikes.  And I thought Six Feet Under was gruesome ....

Did Olivia Coleman ever win anything for this role?

Have you finished Broadchurch yet? If so, what did you think of the ending?

First season.  It was semi-spoiled for me by someone giving a vague hint about the killer but was still a blast.

People on the internet really are idiots about giving spoilers though.  I've noticed a disturbing number of my facebook friends apparently think all of their other friends are completely incapable of combining context clues.  If you say "can't believe who was killed on Game of Thrones last night" and "Maissie Williams on GoT last night .... whoa!" then you just fucking told me who died.  (that's a fake spoiler BTW)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on August 16, 2015, 05:07:47 PM
I got into an argument that led to me unfriending someone on Facebook when they posted a red wedding spoiler while the episode was airing. I'd read the books and knew it was coming, but I thought he was an asshole and told him so. His retort was that people who aren't going to watch shows live should stay off of social media.

The guy is a total asshole, and I was only still "friends" with him until that point to read his dickhead Facebook posts that were generally expletive filled rants about refs in games with his favorite teams (I don't watch sports, but found his rants amusing, sad, and desperate enough to read).

Funny enough an actual friend of mine text me screenshots of his expletive filled rants about me unfriending him for the next few days (i.e. "I can't believe people would be so fucking petty they would unfriend someone over a fucking status, I mean Jesus Christ. Relax people, it's just a fucking tv show")
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Andrew Clunn on August 16, 2015, 08:22:05 PM
Social media.  Serious business.

EDIT -

Damn this makes no sense without context.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on August 17, 2015, 12:47:28 AM
I got into an argument that led to me unfriending someone on Facebook when they posted a red wedding spoiler while the episode was airing. I'd read the books and knew it was coming, but I thought he was an asshole and told him so. His retort was that people who aren't going to watch shows live should stay off of social media.

he kinda has a point.
I mean, I go to radio silence when I really care (which is rare -- back when Lost was on, Breaking Bad, and I tune out immediately when I hear any word about a movie that is supposed to be awesome, etc.)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 17, 2015, 05:18:40 AM
Its one of those new etiquette situations where the "right" course of action hasnt been formalised yet. Some think one thing is reasonable and others think something else.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on August 17, 2015, 06:05:40 AM
I got into an argument that led to me unfriending someone on Facebook when they posted a red wedding spoiler while the episode was airing. I'd read the books and knew it was coming, but I thought he was an asshole and told him so. His retort was that people who aren't going to watch shows live should stay off of social media.

he kinda has a point.
I mean, I go to radio silence when I really care (which is rare -- back when Lost was on, Breaking Bad, and I tune out immediately when I hear any word about a movie that is supposed to be awesome, etc.)

That's fine. You can have that opinion, and you can post all you want, but I'll choose not to be in a position where you can spoil things for me. My solution is not to change my habits, but simply to cut you out.

It's not really a "point" it's just a practice that going to keep getting people pissed at him with no long term benefit for him. What does he get out of spoiler posts? "Look at how fast I watc episodes of shows!" He didn't add content or opinion, just wrote essentially "holy shot x just killed y and z!!"
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 17, 2015, 08:04:37 AM
DUDE!!!!
I havent seen it yet! I was really invested in Y and Z.
I may aswell stop watching now...
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on August 17, 2015, 09:18:50 AM
That's fine. You can have that opinion, and you can post all you want, but I'll choose not to be in a position where you can spoil things for me. My solution is not to change my habits, but simply to cut you out.

which is cool
much better than keeping him around and expecting or asking him to change his life and values, like some people prefer to do.

It's not really a "point" it's just a practice that going to keep getting people pissed at him with no long term benefit for him.

that's 99% what skepticism (or, ya know, the activism/vocal skepticism) is for me.

What does he get out of spoiler posts?

now you'll never know. lol.
although, if you were still in a position to ask him you might still never get a coherent picture of the workings of his mind anyway.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 17, 2015, 09:52:27 AM
Well skepticism has benefits in that you are less likely to be haunted, conned or poisoned.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on August 17, 2015, 10:33:20 AM
I am now fully in the camp that one of the best new shows on TV is Rick & Morty on Adult Swim.  For those of us who loved and miss Futurama, this is fast becoming the next best thing--right down to the surprisingly deep and touching moments that totally and completely blindside you.

The family drama running an undercurrent of the show is surprisingly strong, and the episode-to-episode continuation of the story--started early in the first season, was also surprising and refreshing.  With a single continuation, the show elevated from "single episode science fiction spoof fun" to an intriguing, over-arching storyline where you honestly want to see what's next.

The show is also incredibly refreshing and brilliantly original in the storylines, digging deep into often silly science fiction tropes as Futurama did, but toying with them in new ways.  Yet creating surprisingly cohesive and solid footing for the stories and characters themselves.  Last night's new episode toyed with viewers the entire time, constantly raising the stakes as it went.

If you loved Futurama, or just love good science fiction comedy, by all means, watch Rick & Morty.  First season is on Hulu.  Probably the best show to ever come out of Adult Swim, and that includes how much I enjoy Venture Bros.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on August 17, 2015, 10:44:03 AM
I have a love hate relationship with Rick and Morty.  The major divergence from Futurama is that there was one abusive relationships in that show (Bender to everyone), whereas R&M is rife with them.  It really upsets me at times, and I am less inclined to forgive the abusers because they also show they love those who they abuse.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 17, 2015, 11:15:26 AM
Ricks abuse is pretty unforgivable, but then it really depends which Rick you are actually talking about.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on August 17, 2015, 11:49:27 AM
The way they treat Jerry, especially his wife, also makes me queasy.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on August 17, 2015, 12:03:55 PM
Well skepticism has benefits in that you are less likely to be haunted, conned or poisoned.

some people might be. but that never happened to me before I was clued in, and since then I haven't encountered any opportunities where I had to go 'oh, wait, no, that would be snake oil, no thank you', so, no dividends just yet.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on August 17, 2015, 02:59:22 PM
So I'm two episodes into Black Mirror, and while it's very strong and well done,  it's also extremely depressing.

Sent from my Nexus 7

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 17, 2015, 07:54:52 PM
Well skepticism has benefits in that you are less likely to be haunted, conned or poisoned.

some people might be. but that never happened to me before I was clued in, and since then I haven't encountered any opportunities where I had to go 'oh, wait, no, that would be snake oil, no thank you', so, no dividends just yet.

The fact that it hasnt personally and tangibly benefited you (as you somehow seem to have never been advertised to with woo) doesnt mean there is not a benefit overall.

Evilnick, I just saw the episode you were referring to!
Holy cow. Thats going to leave some scars!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on August 17, 2015, 09:16:04 PM
So I'm two episodes into Black Mirror, and while it's very strong and well done,  it's also extremely depressing.

great show

don't forget about the xmas special after season 2 :)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on August 18, 2015, 12:14:54 PM
I have a love hate relationship with Rick and Morty.  The major divergence from Futurama is that there was one abusive relationships in that show (Bender to everyone), whereas R&M is rife with them.  It really upsets me at times, and I am less inclined to forgive the abusers because they also show they love those who they abuse.

There was more abuse than that on Futurama.  For instance, Zoidberg was constantly a target of jokes and cruelty by almost everyone, particularly Hermes.  Futurama was also fond of gross and extremely dark humor at times, and humans and other characters were routinely dismembered and killed.

For R&M, Rick was initially a little grating, but as I've gone through the show, caught glimpses of, dare I say, humanity buried in there that I'm eager to see explored at some point.  I find the characters equally intriguing as off-putting, but I think what works is the draw that these are sadly realistic, if still contemptuous personality flaws. I completely forgot until I read it yesterday that his "wubba lubba dub dub" catchphrase was actually once explained (by Birdman I think) as a different language meaning "I am in great pain. Help me."  But the way the show delivers these punches makes them sometimes easy to miss. 

Overall though, I find the show to be just fascinating.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on August 18, 2015, 12:24:26 PM


Evilnick, I just saw the episode you were referring to!
Holy cow. Thats going to leave some scars!

Last week's Rick & Morty, with Christina Hendricks also left a somber and solid punch to the gut
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: knoly on August 18, 2015, 12:31:30 PM
I have a love hate relationship with Rick and Morty.  The major divergence from Futurama is that there was one abusive relationships in that show (Bender to everyone), whereas R&M is rife with them.  It really upsets me at times, and I am less inclined to forgive the abusers because they also show they love those who they abuse.

There was more abuse than that on Futurama.  For instance, Zoidberg was constantly a target of jokes and cruelty by almost everyone, particularly Hermes.  Futurama was also fond of gross and extremely dark humor at times, and humans and other characters were routinely dismembered and killed.

For R&M, Rick was initially a little grating, but as I've gone through the show, caught glimpses of, dare I say, humanity buried in there that I'm eager to see explored at some point.  I find the characters equally intriguing as off-putting, but I think what works is the draw that these are sadly realistic, if still contemptuous personality flaws. I completely forgot until I read it yesterday that his "wubba lubba dub dub" catchphrase was actually once explained (by Birdman I think) as a different language meaning "I am in great pain. Help me."  But the way the show delivers these punches makes them sometimes easy to miss. 

Overall though, I find the show to be just fascinating.

Yea i'm also very interested too see where they take us with ricks character, especially after last weeks episode 'Auto Erotic Assimilation'. Absolutely love how the show blends in these hard hitting scenes and harsh realities.
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Post by: PANTS! on August 18, 2015, 12:33:39 PM
I have a love hate relationship with Rick and Morty.  The major divergence from Futurama is that there was one abusive relationships in that show (Bender to everyone), whereas R&M is rife with them.  It really upsets me at times, and I am less inclined to forgive the abusers because they also show they love those who they abuse.

There was more abuse than that on Futurama.  For instance, Zoidberg was constantly a target of jokes and cruelty by almost everyone, particularly Hermes.  Futurama was also fond of gross and extremely dark humor at times, and humans and other characters were routinely dismembered and killed.

For R&M, Rick was initially a little grating, but as I've gone through the show, caught glimpses of, dare I say, humanity buried in there that I'm eager to see explored at some point.  I find the characters equally intriguing as off-putting, but I think what works is the draw that these are sadly realistic, if still contemptuous personality flaws. I completely forgot until I read it yesterday that his "wubba lubba dub dub" catchphrase was actually once explained (by Birdman I think) as a different language meaning "I am in great pain. Help me."  But the way the show delivers these punches makes them sometimes easy to miss. 

Overall though, I find the show to be just fascinating.

I don't know if you meant to imply this, but I do see these attempts to assert the underlying humanity of the characters.  I just question that they work.  What is worse, I think it may be perpetuating the idea the nastiness and neglect is OK so long as that person really loves you or is themselves in great pain.  And that really makes me queasy.

At it's very heart what Birdman said to Morty, right as Morty is standing up for himself somehow implies that Morty is wrong to assert his personhood, and implies he is complicit in his abuse, and is an asshole for questioning Rick's nasty behavior.  It's some fucked up shit, that I do not think the show is capable of handling.
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Post by: EvilNick on August 18, 2015, 01:08:39 PM
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I don't know if you meant to imply this, but I do see these attempts to assert the underlying humanity of the characters.  I just question that they work.  What is worse, I think it may be perpetuating the idea the nastiness and neglect is OK so long as that person really loves you or is themselves in great pain.  And that really makes me queasy.

At it's very heart what Birdman said to Morty, right as Morty is standing up for himself somehow implies that Morty is wrong to assert his personhood, and implies he is complicit in his abuse, and is an asshole for questioning Rick's nasty behavior.  It's some fucked up shit, that I do not think the show is capable of handling.

This may well be an indicator of the overall strength of the writing.  I didn't interpret it that way, more that Morty was informed that there is more to Rick than he thinks.  He actually has become more assertive after that episode.  The most recent, Total Rickall, had a great review (that now I can't find, because I found it via Facebook, and I'm not at my home computer) that I read.  It broke down that the people who care about you the most will sometimes be mean to you and will tell you what you need to hear instead of what you want to hear.

I can completely see your point--the show is unrelentingly harsh, and it will not be for everyone.  But this is also highlighting the nuanced brilliance behind the writing--look how deeply we've already examined just a few bits of it, and the second season has only just started.

And after these conversations and what I've read that I've missed on the show, I think I'm going to rewatch the first season to see what else went right by me.

To address your other point, even if the show is dangerously close to stating "nastiness is okay, so long as you have real love," it's not like this would be the first such instance on TV (not even close)--but that we as a society may be more sensitive to it so blatantly revealed.

It was just renewed for a third season already, and typically for TV series, season 2 is when it finds it's real groove, and season 3 is when it really starts to evolve and expand. 

Cripes, I have not been this drawn and fascinated by a fucking TV show in ages.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 18, 2015, 01:13:03 PM
I dont think we necessarily need to like Rick to enjoy the stories. Well....I dont.
Its weird though, the points you make are valid and sound like the reasons I hated Sopranos and wanted Walt to get caught in Breaking Bad, but Im so excited to see where Dan Harmon is bringing this. He is such a telented creator and so good at the bait and switch that I feel like these points are not lost on him either.
Ultimately though, I think its meant to be more of a commentary on the fiction we tend to enjoy than real relationships themselves. The danger Doc subjects Marty to, the distance between The Doctor and his companions and the implications of more or less any show about zany adventures.
I think the question Harmon is asking is "If we take for granted that this is true, what else is likely to be true?"
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Post by: teethering on August 18, 2015, 01:22:08 PM
Rick is the worst, but I love the show.  Maybe the fact that it's a cartoon allows me to not care that I don't like any of these characters as people, in fact I kind of enjoy the abuse on some level, something that I don't think I'd be able to enjoy in another type of show.

The one thing that drives me nuts and I hope would stop is.... the burping.  Jesus, is that ever annoying for no reason for me.
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Post by: PANTS! on August 18, 2015, 01:25:48 PM
To address your other point, even if the show is dangerously close to stating "nastiness is okay, so long as you have real love," it's not like this would be the first such instance on TV (not even close)--but that we as a society may be more sensitive to it so blatantly revealed.

This is exactly why I will not let my kids watch Disney and Nick sitcoms.  Christ almighty are those some terrible people abusing terrible people.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on August 18, 2015, 02:23:22 PM
To address your other point, even if the show is dangerously close to stating "nastiness is okay, so long as you have real love," it's not like this would be the first such instance on TV (not even close)--but that we as a society may be more sensitive to it so blatantly revealed.

This is exactly why I will not let my kids watch Disney and Nick sitcoms.  Christ almighty are those some terrible people abusing terrible people.

My son is almost 12, but I'm not familiar with those shows.  So this is a little unsettling.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on August 18, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Rick is the worst, but I love the show.  Maybe the fact that it's a cartoon allows me to not care that I don't like any of these characters as people, in fact I kind of enjoy the abuse on some level, something that I don't think I'd be able to enjoy in another type of show.

The one thing that drives me nuts and I hope would stop is.... the burping.  Jesus, is that ever annoying for no reason for me.

The burping actually toned down a lot.  I don't think I've even noticed it in Season 2 so far.  That bugged me, too.  Like, that gag would have legs for only so long.
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Post by: brilligtove on August 27, 2015, 06:35:39 PM
My wife and I have been watching Longmire. It is filled with mystic Indian woo, but it is easy to enjoy in the Lone Ranger settles down context of the show. We are part way through season 2 now on Netflix.
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Post by: Neutral Milk on August 30, 2015, 09:09:59 PM
Damn. Narcos is a blast.

I was a huge fan of Blow, Cocaine Cowboys, and other movies related to the cocaine trade in the 80s. Not sure why, but it's such a fascinating history.

I've been binge watching Narcos with my wife out of town this weekend. Only 2 left. Recommend it highly. I wish there was a pop-up video way to watch this show to find out how much of this crazy story is actually true.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on August 31, 2015, 09:27:55 AM
Damn. Narcos is a blast.

I was a huge fan of Blow, Cocaine Cowboys, and other movies related to the cocaine trade in the 80s. Not sure why, but it's such a fascinating history.

I've been binge watching Narcos with my wife out of town this weekend. Only 2 left. Recommend it highly. I wish there was a pop-up video way to watch this show to find out how much of this crazy story is actually true.

I'm also fascinated by the late 70's, full 80's cocaine culture.  Everything about it, just fascinating as hell.  The second Cocaine Cowboys movie isn't as good, but still pretty fascinating.  Is that new Pablo Escobar movie out yet?  With Benicio Del Toro?
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Post by: The Drifter on September 06, 2015, 05:25:45 PM
Damn. Narcos is a blast.

I was a huge fan of Blow, Cocaine Cowboys, and other movies related to the cocaine trade in the 80s. Not sure why, but it's such a fascinating history.

I first skim-read this as "I was a huge fan of Blow, Cocaine, and Cowboys."  You must have been really annoying back then.

Narcos is great, unfortunately I suffer from subtitle narcolepsy and have no idea where I am in the series.

I'll give a shout out to Copper, and Low Winter Sun, since I haven't heard them mentioned yet.

Low Winter Sun is a single-season gritty police crime show set in present-day Detroit yet done by Brits.
Copper is a multi-season gritty police crime show set in civil war era 5 New York yet done by Brits.
Nicely done, Brits.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on September 07, 2015, 10:50:08 AM
Glad to see Pedro Pascal's getting more roles he can absolutely nail.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on September 07, 2015, 03:25:25 PM
The animated "Justice League" series is REALLY good!
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Post by: starnado on September 07, 2015, 04:25:24 PM
The animated "Justice League" series is REALLY good!
Highly entertaining. +1
It was a shame when we finished them, Sunday morning was never the same.
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Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2015, 04:39:04 PM
The animated "Justice League" series is REALLY good!
Highly entertaining. +1
It was a shame when we finished them, Sunday morning was never the same.
Have you tried Young Justice? I think its actually even better!
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Post by: starnado on September 08, 2015, 05:47:00 AM
The animated "Justice League" series is REALLY good!
Highly entertaining. +1
It was a shame when we finished them, Sunday morning was never the same.
Have you tried Young Justice? I think its actually even better!

I approached it all wrong, I watched both seasons of Young Justice before watching Justice League.

I concur, Young Justice is the better show. More nuanced, with great story arcs. Not afraid to take a risk. I loved it. Probably my favourite superhero cartoon series. I never got on that well with Batman - TAS. I know that is heresy but fuck it, we're skeptics.  ;D

The second season of YJ was just fantastic. Superboy and the New Genesphere and his dog.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on September 08, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
Yeah, I'm joining in the Narcos recommendation and also adding Show Me A Hero recommend.  Although the latter is more of a miniseries rather than a TV show.
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Post by: Neutral Milk on September 08, 2015, 02:41:46 PM
I really enjoyed Show Me A Hero. I'm a big David Simon fan. I even enjoyed Treme, although nothing happened for 4 seasons. I just love the way he builds characters, the plot doesn't even have to be great when you've got Simon.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on September 10, 2015, 10:56:40 AM
The IT Crowd is not bad
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Post by: mindme on September 10, 2015, 11:09:22 AM
The IT Crowd is not bad

Agreed. Some brilliant eps (like the one that compared smokers to soviet gulag prisoners).
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Post by: Ah.hell on September 10, 2015, 11:21:01 AM
The IT Crowd is not bad

Agreed. Some brilliant eps (like the one that compared smokers to soviet gulag prisoners).

A personal favorite of mine, the ep...and the show really.

I just started watching the Australian series Utopia(Dreamland on Netflix for some reason).  Solid workplace comedy with a lot in common with Dilbert.  Lots of making fun of jargon and high minded management.   I find it especially funny due to my civil engineering background.  Lots of unrealistic goals from management.  Meetings with a dozen different folks from various government agencies with only tenuous connections to the project. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 10, 2015, 11:31:24 AM
Probably not called Utopia because there is a British Sci-Fi drama called utopia and an American reality show called utopia.

That's confusing for international audiences who may not realize these are three different countries.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on September 10, 2015, 12:37:40 PM
Probably not called Utopia because there is a British Sci-Fi drama called utopia and an American reality show called utopia.

That's confusing for international audiences who may not realize these are three different countries.

I think the US is remaking the UK version of Utopia too.
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Post by: mindme on September 10, 2015, 12:38:40 PM
Wait. Scratch that. Money troubles. At HBO of all places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_%28UK_TV_series%29#American_adaptation
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Post by: GodSlayer on September 10, 2015, 05:48:53 PM
Probably not called Utopia because there is a British Sci-Fi drama called utopia and an American reality show called utopia.

That's confusing for international audiences who may not realize these are three different countries.

I think the US is remaking the UK version of Utopia too.


why don't they just add subtitles?

seems dumb to me, but anything that gets that show to more people has my blessing.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on September 10, 2015, 06:03:36 PM
In the old days we used remake British shows because they have 6 episodes every year vs 22 in the US and production values in the UK used to suck.  Now with cable its not such a big deal and the UK has pretty much caught up with production.  I don't like subtitles because I don't generally pay that close attention to tv.  I typically watch and read or screw around on the computer.  Can't really do that with subtitles.

Also, we speak the same language in the UK and US, at least most of us. 
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Post by: UnicornPoop on September 12, 2015, 08:05:21 PM
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the UK version of "Life on Mars" was absolutely wonderful!

I remember describing the show to a friend at work, sitting in a cubicle near others. But I couldn't remember the name. The next day, I remembered it and I popped my head in the door and said triumphantly "Life On Mars". Someone next to him suddenly rolled back and said "No way! They found it???" He...thought I was reporting a headline.

I was sorry to create and burst that bubble so suddenly!
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Post by: MikeHz on September 14, 2015, 05:46:57 PM
Maybe mentioned already, but The Knick is really good.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 23, 2015, 09:14:20 PM
Bojack Horseman is sooooooo depressing at times. And very well written.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on September 23, 2015, 10:54:54 PM
I'm rewatching Luther.  9.9/10 Its a really great show; writing, directing, acting, even the opening credits and score are great.   I'd love to see Idris Elba in a film that does him justice.   
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on September 29, 2015, 12:06:20 PM
I'm rewatching Luther.  9.9/10 Its a really great show; writing, directing, acting, even the opening credits and score are great.   I'd love to see Idris Elba in a film that does him justice.

Beasts Of No Nation, coming to theatres near you... soonish.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on September 29, 2015, 12:57:50 PM
Rewatching game of thrones after reading the books and listening to a in depth history of Westeros podcast.

It enriched the show in a major way.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on September 30, 2015, 09:42:06 AM
The Last Man on Earth has started it's new season.  Oh man, that first episode was a doozy.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on September 30, 2015, 11:30:09 AM
The Last Man on Earth has started it's new season.  Oh man, that first episode was a doozy.

I just can't root for the guy, they have made him so unlikable. I wanted the guy to kill him last season
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Post by: drwfishesman on September 30, 2015, 12:53:30 PM
Agents of Shield started this season with a pretty solid show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on September 30, 2015, 02:51:35 PM
The Last Man on Earth has started it's new season.  Oh man, that first episode was a doozy.

I just can't root for the guy, they have made him so unlikable. I wanted the guy to kill him last season

I get that.  He's a hard character to cheer for.  At the same time, I felt the way he dealt with his loneliness in the apocalypse was the most accurate lunacy of any on-screen representation I've ever seen, outside of The Quiet Earth.  You try for a while, you have your breakdown, you stop giving a shit, and you go off the rails, until such time as you run into another human being and realize how far gone you've become.  The first episode of the second season already showed him to be more likable, if still an ass.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on October 06, 2015, 01:15:55 PM
Rick & Morty Season 2 is already over, and ahhhhhhhhhh...

(click to show/hide)

Also, here's a gif from the episode:

(http://i.imgur.com/3svsfQ0.gif)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on October 08, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
Finally started watching Arrow, what took me so long?
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Post by: starnado on October 09, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
Finally started watching Arrow, what took me so long?
Oh yeah, love me a bit of Arrow.

Talking of finally: Korra books 3 and 4 are on Amazon Prime!  We have massacred book 3 and are 3 eps into book 4. It is AMAZING. What a journey.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on October 09, 2015, 06:52:25 AM
Finally started watching Arrow, what took me so long?
Oh yeah, love me a bit of Arrow.

Talking of finally: Korra books 3 and 4 are on Amazon Prime!  We have massacred book 3 and are 3 eps into book 4. It is AMAZING. What a journey.

Oh yeah, Book 4 is incredible.
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Post by: Ambious on October 09, 2015, 09:39:40 AM
Also I think part of the reason Arrow is so much more enjoyable for me now is that I know a lot more DC characters than I did when I first tried it when it first aired.
Seeing Huntress was awesome, the fact that his sister is named "Speedy", The Royal Flush gang, all those call-forwards are super fun when you know what they're about.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Andrew Clunn on October 09, 2015, 09:41:36 AM
Rick & Morty Season 2 is already over, and ahhhhhhhhhh...

(click to show/hide)

Also, here's a gif from the episode:

(http://i.imgur.com/3svsfQ0.gif)

You know there's a mafia game (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45272.0.html) themed around this...
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on October 09, 2015, 09:43:01 AM
Steven Universe also continues to deliver. So far this season they've addresses relationships with parents, cross-dressing and slavery.
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Post by: starnado on October 09, 2015, 09:59:13 AM
WE BARE BEARS.
Joyful whimsy. Ice bear is super cool. He is my new hero and role model.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 09, 2015, 10:15:48 AM
The walking dead season 5, sharp contrast to pretty much every other show I've been watching lately.  The walking dead is an absurd premise but the characters act behave in ways that make sense.  Shows like Blacklist and How to get away with murder are set in a much more realistic world but there isn't an episode of either that I don't almost do a spit take because of some stupid thing someone says or does. 

IMHO, the walking dead is a much better program. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Andrew Clunn on October 09, 2015, 10:47:53 AM
The walking dead season 5, sharp contrast to pretty much every other show I've been watching lately.  The walking dead is an absurd premise but the characters act behave in ways that make sense.  Shows like Blacklist and How to get away with murder are set in a much more realistic world but there isn't an episode of either that I don't almost do a spit take because of some stupid thing someone says or does. 

IMHO, the walking dead is a much better program.

Truth.  Internal consistency is the mark of realism.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on October 19, 2015, 02:03:22 PM
After a pause, finally got to the end of Bojack Horseman.  Loved it right to the end; looking forward to more.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on October 24, 2015, 06:00:23 PM
Man in the High Castle episode 2 is up, the rest are coming 11/20. Continues to be a really fun well produced show.

One problem I have with it.. and I'm wondering if I just lack the historical context. For those that don't know the show takes place in a universe in which the Nazi's and the Japanese won WWII. Hitler controls half of the US, and the Japanese the other half. The show takes place in the mid-60s. It is based on a novel by Philip K Dick.

According to one scene in the movie bibles are outlawed in the Nazi part of the US, and by extension to keep the peace they are also outlawed in the Japanese side of the US.

Does this make any historical sense? Wasn't Hitler a Christian? Was there any notion that he was trying to outlaw Christianity or that he would have gone there if he had had the opportunity? I'm wondering if the show is getting the historical basis wrong, or if this is based on some sort of fact. If the former I find it extremely annoying as it perpetuates the "atheists are responsible for the holocaust" "hitler was an atheist" B.S. that sometimes comes up when Christians try to say that atheism is as much at fault for mass murders as religion. If it's the later I'd be curious to find out more about that, because it wasn't something I was aware of.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 24, 2015, 06:55:25 PM
My recollection is that the NAZI's were much like the Commies in that he didn't really car for religion but thought it was a useful tool.  It's possible he would have tried to create a single state religion had he succeeded in his conquests but I think unlikely he would have banned the bible. 

Maybe the show is playing of the popular idea that the NAZI leaders were weird pagan cultists?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on October 26, 2015, 08:52:29 AM
The vast majority of German soldiers and the SS were bog standard Christian. Himmler tried to create his own Teutonic religion but I was little more than cosplay. Atheism was banned. Yeah, I don't really see Christianity being banned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_SS#Religion
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on October 26, 2015, 01:54:40 PM
Starting watching it too. So far so good!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on November 08, 2015, 12:56:16 PM
Aziz Ansari's Netflix show, "Master of None" is really good.
It's like Louie in that it's a single camera, issues-tackling, arching story centered around a slightly-altered version of a successful stand-up comedian in NYC. But if you find Louie's character a little drear, you might enjoy Aziz's better. I myself love both.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on November 17, 2015, 08:46:05 AM
Fuck I love Season 2 (and 1) of The Leftovers. Even though it's by that dick.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 17, 2015, 09:22:14 AM
wow, it got a second season?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on November 17, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
wow, it got a second season?

It's fantastic!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 17, 2015, 10:55:04 AM
wow, it got a second season?

It's fantastic!


I got stuck in a ditch with that stupid Lost'y flashback episode. I can't even remember if I made it to the finale. I didn't even hate it or anything, it just lost traction with me somehow.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on November 17, 2015, 11:59:51 AM
Oh. Season 2 has real live tits.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on November 18, 2015, 10:46:12 PM
I'm going on another Gilmore Girls binge. Such a great show... and they finally get to film season 7 next year!!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 19, 2015, 05:49:14 AM
I'm going on another Gilmore Girls binge. Such a great show... and they finally get to film season 7 next year!!

I started watching Crazy Ex Girlfriend after hearing all the hype. it seems, at best, like a very weak version of Gilmore Girls.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on November 19, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
I've been watching The Wire with my girlfriend.  She was insistent that we watch it, so I agreed.  It's pretty good.  I've always been a fan of these kind of "drug lord" heavy stories, which is a big part of why I loved Breaking Bad so much aside from it really being one of the best things ever committed to television.  We're nearing the end of Season 1.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on November 19, 2015, 11:42:06 AM
I've been watching The Wire with my girlfriend.  She was insistent that we watch it, so I agreed.  It's pretty good.  I've always been a fan of these kind of "drug lord" heavy stories, which is a big part of why I loved Breaking Bad so much aside from it really being one of the best things ever committed to television.  We're nearing the end of Season 1.

Be aware season 2 isn't as good as any other season. It's most people's least favorite season. It's still really really good compared to most things on TV, but it gets better again after season 2.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on November 19, 2015, 12:08:37 PM
I've been watching The Wire with my girlfriend.  She was insistent that we watch it, so I agreed.  It's pretty good.  I've always been a fan of these kind of "drug lord" heavy stories, which is a big part of why I loved Breaking Bad so much aside from it really being one of the best things ever committed to television.  We're nearing the end of Season 1.

Be aware season 2 isn't as good as any other season. It's most people's least favorite season. It's still really really good compared to most things on TV, but it gets better again after season 2.

Ahhh, Walking Dead syndrome.  Gotcha.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on November 19, 2015, 12:24:46 PM
I've been watching The Wire with my girlfriend.  She was insistent that we watch it, so I agreed.  It's pretty good.  I've always been a fan of these kind of "drug lord" heavy stories, which is a big part of why I loved Breaking Bad so much aside from it really being one of the best things ever committed to television.  We're nearing the end of Season 1.

Be aware season 2 isn't as good as any other season. It's most people's least favorite season. It's still really really good compared to most things on TV, but it gets better again after season 2.

Ahhh, Walking Dead syndrome.  Gotcha.

Noooooooo. The worst season of The Wire is about as good as the best season of most TV series.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 19, 2015, 12:40:29 PM
I've been watching The Wire with my girlfriend.  She was insistent that we watch it, so I agreed.  It's pretty good.  I've always been a fan of these kind of "drug lord" heavy stories, which is a big part of why I loved Breaking Bad so much aside from it really being one of the best things ever committed to television.  We're nearing the end of Season 1.

Be aware season 2 isn't as good as any other season. It's most people's least favorite season. It's still really really good compared to most things on TV, but it gets better again after season 2.

I haven't done a rewatch yet, but I wonder if that's just because it was so unexpected. you get to know and love characters, and then they do a sharp 90-degree turn and start focusing on some whole other shit, that's not something you tend to be prepared for or wanting, so that bias might account for a large part of dissatisfaction with it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on November 19, 2015, 01:08:47 PM
I rewatched it last year and it is slower and with less interesting characters.
Its an important part of the bigger picture that is the show though and its still well written and well acted.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on November 19, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
I'm going on another Gilmore Girls binge. Such a great show... and they finally get to film season 7 next year!!

I started watching Crazy Ex Girlfriend after hearing all the hype. it seems, at best, like a very weak version of Gilmore Girls.

Rachel Bloom, the lead in "Crazy Ex Girlfriend," is really funny.

http://www.racheldoesstuff.com/

https://www.youtube.com/user/racheldoesstuff

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on November 19, 2015, 01:33:42 PM
I've been watching The Wire with my girlfriend.  She was insistent that we watch it, so I agreed.  It's pretty good.  I've always been a fan of these kind of "drug lord" heavy stories, which is a big part of why I loved Breaking Bad so much aside from it really being one of the best things ever committed to television.  We're nearing the end of Season 1.

Be aware season 2 isn't as good as any other season. It's most people's least favorite season. It's still really really good compared to most things on TV, but it gets better again after season 2.

Season 2 is brilliant.  It's just that it is about poor white people working the docks, which was SUCH a departure from Season 1 it took many people a while to get behind it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on November 19, 2015, 03:59:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIom3LSbB0I
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on November 20, 2015, 01:18:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIom3LSbB0I

This was the first thing I thought of when my girlfriend said she wanted me to watch The Wire.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on November 20, 2015, 04:57:45 PM
I just don't get crime shows. I can't relate or even find the slightest interest in them. Which is a shame because some of them are objectively good, but I just can't watch them. That includes The Sopranos, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad, That one with the bikers, nothing. Tried them all, appreciated objectively how good they were, couldn't watch more than a few episodes.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on November 20, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
I just don't get crime shows. I can't relate or even find the slightest interest in them. Which is a shame because some of them are objectively good, but I just can't watch them. That includes The Sopranos, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad, That one with the bikers, nothing. Tried them all, appreciated objectively how good they were, couldn't watch more than a few episodes.

Not my bag, either.  I used to like police/CSI procedural-type shows a decade or so ago, but I don't really like those any more either.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on November 20, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
I just don't get crime shows. I can't relate or even find the slightest interest in them. Which is a shame because some of them are objectively good, but I just can't watch them. That includes The Sopranos, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad, That one with the bikers, nothing. Tried them all, appreciated objectively how good they were, couldn't watch more than a few episodes.

Not my bag, either.  I used to like police/CSI procedural-type shows a decade or so ago, but I don't really like those any more either.
I still like them but once you start noticing the cliche's they all follow, it gets harder.   
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on November 20, 2015, 06:02:17 PM
I just don't get crime shows. I can't relate or even find the slightest interest in them. Which is a shame because some of them are objectively good, but I just can't watch them. That includes The Sopranos, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad, That one with the bikers, nothing. Tried them all, appreciated objectively how good they were, couldn't watch more than a few episodes.

Weird.

Also I have to be mildly personally offended by the fact that you put my three favorite TV shows of all time (Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad) in the same sentence with Sons of Anarchy. Some people love SoS, I know, but it's objectively not in the same league as the rest of those shows.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on November 20, 2015, 06:50:38 PM
I just don't get crime shows. I can't relate or even find the slightest interest in them. Which is a shame because some of them are objectively good, but I just can't watch them. That includes The Sopranos, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad, That one with the bikers, nothing. Tried them all, appreciated objectively how good they were, couldn't watch more than a few episodes.

Weird.

Also I have to be mildly personally offended by the fact that you put my three favorite TV shows of all time (Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad) in the same sentence with Sons of Anarchy. Some people love SoS, I know, but it's objectively not in the same league as the rest of those shows.

Objectively?.

You keeping using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Plastiq on November 21, 2015, 09:31:15 AM
I just don't get crime shows. I can't relate or even find the slightest interest in them. Which is a shame because some of them are objectively good, but I just can't watch them. That includes The Sopranos, The Wire, Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad, That one with the bikers, nothing. Tried them all, appreciated objectively how good they were, couldn't watch more than a few episodes.

Feel exactly like that about Mad Men. Seems well-written, still bores me to tears.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on November 21, 2015, 12:46:39 PM
Mad Men really just seems like a soap opera in period costumes with the thrill of people being sexist and smoking.
I enjoyed it as a brief snap shot and character study but after that first or second arc I had zero fucks to give about peoples marriages or ad contracts.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on November 21, 2015, 01:02:40 PM
Registered to Amazon Prime 30-day trial to watch Man in the High Castle. 2nd Episode is VERY slow, hope it picks up the pace.

Update: Amazon Video is a god-awful streaming service. They purposefully make it difficult for you to use their services on Android to get you to get their own "Amazon Fire" branded devices.
Their apps are only downloadable through their own "Amazon Store" (read: no google play) which is sketchy enough as it is, but obviously it doesn't cast to Chromecast because "Why not get an Amazon Fire TV Stick" instead?
Fuck that noise, I'm downloading it illegally.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on November 22, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
Update: it's REALLY good!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on November 23, 2015, 02:45:18 PM
w/ Bob and David - Netflix, 4 episodes.

My only complaint is only 4 episodes.  So good.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on November 23, 2015, 03:27:27 PM
I loved Mr. Show so much. Still only watched the first episode of w/ Bob and David. I don't want it to be over, so I'm waiting for the perfect time to watch the rest.

Flesh and Bone is a miniseries about a ballet company that's airing on Startz. Super dark and a lot of fun to watch (in the same sense Breaking Bad or other depressing shows are fun to watch).

7.5/10
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Friendly Angel on November 23, 2015, 03:29:20 PM
I've been watching Madam Secretary... the first season on Netflix because I don't get TV; second season is now broadcasting.  I'm liking the characters and the drama and the style, but the plots seem a little too contrived or formulaic... like one international crisis at the beginning of each episode, more or less wrapped up by the end of the same episode.

Somebody tell me if it's worth investing my time into.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on November 23, 2015, 04:20:49 PM
I've been watching Madam Secretary... the first season on Netflix because I don't get TV; second season is now broadcasting.  I'm liking the characters and the drama and the style, but the plots seem a little too contrived or formulaic... like one international crisis at the beginning of each episode, more or less wrapped up by the end of the same episode.

Somebody tell me if it's worth investing my time into.

I have not watched it, but according to "The Pop Culture Happy Hour" the second season shit the bed.  YMMV, but I tend to trust those folks a good curators of stuff that I might like and be into.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on November 23, 2015, 06:56:22 PM
There's a police drama on Hulu called "Line of Duty" that is terrific. It's an import about a police Anti-Corruption (Internal Affairs) unit that plays like a cross between "24" (but more realistic) and "The Wire," but not as gritty.

There are two short seasons now, and third in production.

The show is brilliant.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on November 23, 2015, 06:58:22 PM
There's a police drama on Hulu called "Line of Duty" that is terrific. It's an import about a police Anti-Corruption (Internal Affairs) unit that plays like a cross between "24" (but more realistic) and "The Wire," but not as gritty.

There are two short seasons now, and third in production.

The show is brilliant.
Ive been looking for a proceedural about police corruption. Cheers!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on November 23, 2015, 08:30:45 PM
There's a police drama on Hulu called "Line of Duty" that is terrific. It's an import about a police Anti-Corruption (Internal Affairs) unit that plays like a cross between "24" (but more realistic) and "The Wire," but not as gritty.

There are two short seasons now, and third in production.

The show is brilliant.
Ive been looking for a proceedural about police corruption. Cheers!

Let me know what you think. For you Walking Dead fans, Lennie James (Morgan) has a big role.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on November 28, 2015, 06:21:56 PM
W/ Bob and David is mostly averagely OK, but this sketch is kinda brilliant:
https://youtu.be/WJHkyAGk1zk
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on December 01, 2015, 03:51:28 AM
saw first ep of w/ Bob and David
not remotely impressed.
even Inside Amy Schumer was better than this, and this show has a hell of a lot of really good comics in its line-up, what the hell?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on December 01, 2015, 08:33:27 AM
Update: it's REALLY good!

Very deliberately paced, but good.  It's a show that you need patience for.

Even being a fan of the book, I actually enjoy the fact that they've abandoned the source material.   For me world building is what I really loved about the novel, and the show captures that perfectly.

I think the device of the "films" works better than the "banned book" and am happy that they appear to not be abandoning the wilder sci fi aspects of the source material, as evidenced by the last few moments of Season One's final episode....
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on December 02, 2015, 03:54:38 PM
I probably mentioned this before, but the original Rod Serling-helmed 1960's era Twilight Zone is still my favorite TV show, and one of the best ever conjured.

Every year, I try to watch the marathon on Sci-Fi SyFy, but I don't have cable or satellite TV right now so will be missing the New Year's marathon, so when I was working from home Monday afternoon and yesterday, I fired it up on Hulu and started from the first episode.  It's great how many episodes still work, and even when the science is heavily outdated (imprisoned on an asteroid, for instance), the written drama remains potent.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on December 10, 2015, 01:07:53 PM
The original Twilight Zone is still better written than most Sci-Fi TV.

"Deadwood" and "Six Feet Under" are both worth a watch.

If for nothing else, check out Six Feet Under for what is, in my opinion, the best series finale ever put on the screen.

In a world where we seem to hear a sad trombone after every series finale from The Sopranos to Lost to Battlestar Galactica, Six Feet Under's finale TOTALLY delivers the goods.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on December 10, 2015, 01:14:37 PM
If for nothing else, check out Six Feet Under for what is, in my opinion, the best series finale ever put on the screen.

In a world where we seem to hear a sad trombone after every series finale from The Sopranos to Lost to Battlestar Galactica, Six Feet Under's finale TOTALLY delivers to goods.

Very much agreed. No series finale can hold a candle. Given that the show is all about endings, it would have really been a bad mark for the show if it hadn't landed its own, but they really did it right.

Breaking Bad did a pretty good job leaving me satisfied.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on December 10, 2015, 01:20:37 PM
The original Twilight Zone is still better written than most Sci-Fi TV.

"Deadwood" and "Six Feet Under" are both worth a watch.

If for nothing else, check out Six Feet Under for what is, in my opinion, the best series finale ever put on the screen.

In a world where we seem to hear a sad trombone after every series finale from The Sopranos to Lost to Battlestar Galactica, Six Feet Under's finale TOTALLY delivers to goods.

I think it's nearly impossible to do a finale that fans and audiences will generally universally support.  The pressure to wrap up loose ends, give proper respects, and still manage a cohesive story of some kind has got to be monumental, bordering on a fool's errand.  People always overly build up these things in anticipation, which only further damages what finally airs. 

I try to take endings with a grain of salt.  The ending of Seinfeld was the first "big finish" I remember from my growing up that had people talking.  Either loving it or hating it.  I merely found it amusingly fitting, but lacking in the clever flair that had driven much of the writing of the series.

Probably one of my favorites is how they finished off Star Trek: TNG.  It was also a wonderful bookend to a series, returning to their opening salvo, as it was while still delivering a classic Trek story. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on December 10, 2015, 01:21:39 PM


Very much agreed. No series finale can hold a candle. Given that the show is all about endings, it would have really been a bad mark for the show if it hadn't landed its own, but they really did it right.

Breaking Bad did a pretty good job leaving me satisfied.

I agree with Breaking Bad's finale.  I have not watched Six Feet Under.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on December 10, 2015, 01:26:41 PM
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Probably one of my favorites is how they finished off Star Trek: TNG.  It was also a wonderful bookend to a series, returning to their opening salvo, as it was while still delivering a classic Trek story.

I've been very bummed about Next Generation lately.  After watching "Chaos on The Bridge" I decided to re visit the show on Netflix after a good decade of not watching it.  Ouch.

That show used to be appointment viewing for younger me.  Now I find myself constantly rolling my eyes.  Endless discussions about what to do next where every single person gets to contribute.  The ship looking ridiculously like a Courtyard by Marriott......very weird.

I still enjoy the old show, I still enjoy Enterprise, I never liked Voyager, and Deep Space Nine remains my favorite Trek show, but Next Generation is just unwatchable to me right now.....even unanimous classic episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise" just seem so sterile and lifeless to me right now.....it bums me out.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on December 10, 2015, 01:43:50 PM
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Probably one of my favorites is how they finished off Star Trek: TNG.  It was also a wonderful bookend to a series, returning to their opening salvo, as it was while still delivering a classic Trek story.

I've been very bummed about Next Generation lately.  After watching "Chaos on The Bridge" I decided to re visit the show on Netflix after a good decade of not watching it.  Ouch.

That show used to be appointment viewing for younger me.  Now I find myself constantly rolling my eyes.  Endless discussions about what to do next where every single person gets to contribute.  The ship looking ridiculously like a Courtyard by Marriott......very weird.

I still enjoy the old show, I still enjoy Enterprise, I never liked Voyager, and Deep Space Nine remains my favorite Trek show, but Next Generation is just unwatchable to me right now.....even unanimous classic episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise" just seem so sterile and lifeless to me right now.....it bums me out.

I can get over a lot of the very 80's design elements of the show, and I think the first two seasons are largely better avoided.  It's still my favorite Trek series, DS9 a close second, and I think Enterprise was getting really good right when it was killed.  Voyager is just awful.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on December 10, 2015, 01:49:58 PM
 I completely agree with Stonesean regarding TNG.  It hasn't aged well, it had a real tendency toward anvil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Anvilicious) style moralizing.  Some time ago I had a discussion on this forum in which I was surprised to learn that the majority of the show was filmed in the 90s.  The look just screams 80s to me. 

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on December 10, 2015, 02:52:51 PM
I completely agree with Stonesean regarding TNG.  It hasn't aged well, it had a real tendency toward anvil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Anvilicious) style moralizing.  Some time ago I had a discussion on this forum in which I was surprised to learn that the majority of the show was filmed in the 90s.  The look just screams 80s to me.

DUDE!

You can't just link to TVTropes without a warning!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on December 10, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
I completely agree with Stonesean regarding TNG.  It hasn't aged well, it had a real tendency toward anvil (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Anvilicious) style moralizing.  Some time ago I had a discussion on this forum in which I was surprised to learn that the majority of the show was filmed in the 90s.  The look just screams 80s to me.

TNG was only strongly anvilicious during the first two seasons when Roddenberry was still influencing things. 

Then again, to fault TNG for this and ignore all the rest of Star Trek would be ridiculous.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d4/f0/95/d4f095da03085053f9dcb75b9b015c1f.jpg)
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Post by: Ah.hell on December 10, 2015, 05:11:06 PM
Sure, it happened in the old show but the writing in anvilicious episodes was typically better.  Most of the bad writing was confined to the fluff episodes. 
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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on December 10, 2015, 05:36:38 PM
Plus there is almost no aspect of TOS that isn't just silly fun.  The 60's show is just fun fun fun.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on December 10, 2015, 06:15:10 PM
Plus there is almost no aspect of TOS that isn't just silly fun.  The 60's show is just fun fun fun.
Until Daddy takes the T-Bird away.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on December 10, 2015, 07:19:20 PM
Sure, it happened in the old show but the writing in anvilicious episodes was typically better.  Most of the bad writing was confined to the fluff episodes. 
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You mean fluff literally? Like Tribbles? I liked that show, it was well written.
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Post by: Captain Video on December 10, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Sure, it happened in the old show but the writing in anvilicious episodes was typically better.  Most of the bad writing was confined to the fluff episodes. 
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You mean fluff literally? Like Tribbles? I liked that show, it was well written.

I liked the DS9 episode where they want back in time to the tribble episode, especially Worfs reaction to the older style Klingons.  Also some really decent CG matching the look and colors of the original show, and those mini skirts too  >:D
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on December 11, 2015, 08:57:05 AM
I remember they dealt with the human klingons with Worf going "it's not something we like to talk about". Nice way to side step it without establish new canon or violating what's been canon...
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on December 11, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
That episode, plus some of the facts I know about the other shows (almost all the sets and costumes from the film era on have been preserved and maintained) always fueled my hopes that the next iteration of Star Trek on TV could be an anthology show.

Let's say, a 15 episode season in which we get a 3 episode 1980's movie era Admiral Sulu arc.   Then a 1 shot Captain Riker adventure.  Then a 4-5 part TOS era story with either the Enterprise crew re cast or the adventures of another ship's crew from the same era....then a JJ Abrhams era trek 2 parter featuring some new ship...etc...etc...etc....

Sadly, nobody will have the guts to do such a thing.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on December 11, 2015, 02:57:50 PM
I remember they dealt with the human klingons with Worf going "it's not something we like to talk about". Nice way to side step it without establish new canon or violating what's been canon...

I actually really liked how Enterprise patched up all that and kept it in canon.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on December 11, 2015, 06:45:41 PM
That was fun that they fixed the issue.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Captain Video on December 12, 2015, 01:37:05 AM
They did create a cannon explanation for it in enterprise.  Something about biologically creating a "super Klingon " mixed with human DNA experiment that went wrong but I barely remember the episodes.

I remember the role playing game from the mid 80s explaining that there were pure strain Klingons and half breeds.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on December 12, 2015, 08:39:11 AM
This only applies if you arent adverse to kids cartoons and its no Legend of Korra but....
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012.
Its by far the best tmnt product out there (not saying much) its actually funny, meta aware, has cool popcukture references, reimagines April and Casey Jones as teenagers and gives the turtles more personality and individuality than Ive seen (you can tell them apart without the masks).
Donatello is the best update because he is less reed richards and more nerdy kid who is genuinely into science/engineering. His tech and solutions to science problems are certainly played up for a kid audience but are more grounded in real(ish) science than they needed to be.
The fight scenes are really well done and the research into ninjitsu is way more than superficial (fun Harry fact- I have a blackbelt in ninjitsu. It hurts to write that)

Anyway, check it out. When people shrug off the movie and say theres never been a good version of the turtles, this pops into my mind.

Edit- Watching the bigfoot episode, Jesse Ventura is in it and plays a crazy cryptozoologist.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on December 12, 2015, 09:25:13 AM
This only applies if you arent adverse to kids cartoons and its no Legend of Korra but....
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012.
Its by far the best tmnt product out there (not saying much) its actually funny, meta aware, has cool popcukture references, reimagines April and Casey Jones as teenagers and gives the turtles more personality and individuality than Ive seen (you can tell them apart without the masks).
Donatello is the best update because he is less reed richards and more nerdy kid who is genuinely into science/engineering. His tech and solutions to science problems are certainly played up for a kid audience but are more grounded in real(ish) science than they needed to be.
The fight scenes are really well done and the research into ninjitsu is way more than superficial (fun Harry fact- I have a blackbelt in ninjitsu. It hurts to write that)

Anyway, check it out. When people shrug off the movie and say theres never been a good version of the turtles, this pops into my mind.

Edit- Watching the bigfoot episode, Jesse Ventura is in it and plays a crazy cryptozoologist.

It is really good for a kids show.  I love the Filmation Star Trek parody that Leo obsesses over.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt2012series/images/0/01/500px-TMNT12_Space_Heroes.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgSAsIMdRY

"Well it looks like you BOTH learned a lesson today!"
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on December 12, 2015, 09:53:20 AM
Yes!!!
In season 3 they are watching a He-Man parody.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on December 16, 2015, 05:08:49 PM
12 minutes left of Childhood's End, episode 1.  Enjoying it quite a bit so far.

ETA: Yup.  Looking forward to watching the rest when I have some time.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on December 21, 2015, 03:08:46 PM
12 minutes left of Childhood's End, episode 1.  Enjoying it quite a bit so far.

ETA: Yup.  Looking forward to watching the rest when I have some time.

Hrmmm...  Halfway through ep2.  I think maybe I don't remember the middle bits of Childhood's End (the book) very well - it's been over a decade since I read it.  Nothing at this point is familiar to me.  Interesting where it's going.

ETA:  Half hour into ep3.  I must be conflating this book and a different one, or else it is totally changed.  Probably the former.  It's possible I bought and never read this (I have it on my shelf).  The first ep felt familiar, but since then it has very much not.  Still enjoying it though, even if I don't totally buy the "humanity has no point if we have peace" theme.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on December 21, 2015, 05:21:22 PM
I just finished watching Childhood's End. I think it's been 25 years since I read it, so there are parts that were re-new to me. Based on my recall they handled the major themes pretty well, and hit key moments that I remember.

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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on December 21, 2015, 05:30:22 PM
Gods FUCKING dammit spoilers aren't hidden on Tapatalk and I accidentally read some :'(
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on December 21, 2015, 05:39:07 PM
Well, it's over.  I don't know how I feel, but I definitely feel stuff.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on December 22, 2015, 05:18:09 PM
Just finished Making a Murderer (a new Netflix documentary series).

9.5/10

If you liked Serial you have to watch this. The case itself is like Serial on steroids. I don't want to say too much and give anything away, but man what a roller-coaster.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on December 22, 2015, 05:19:30 PM
Just finished Making a Murderer (a new Netflix documentary series).

9.5/10

If you liked Serial you have to watch this. The case itself is like Serial on steroids. I don't want to say too much and give anything away, but man what a roller-coaster.

I have to agree. It made me more angry that serial did, it left me more uneasy than serial did, and the lack of real resolution makes me both furious and empty.

Its a wild ride.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on December 22, 2015, 10:46:02 PM
Adam Ruins Everything-- Tru Tv

Another skeptic show for people with ADD. I love it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on December 23, 2015, 02:36:47 AM
Just finished Making a Murderer (a new Netflix documentary series).

9.5/10

If you liked Serial you have to watch this. The case itself is like Serial on steroids. I don't want to say too much and give anything away, but man what a roller-coaster.

I have to agree. It made me more angry that serial did, it left me more uneasy than serial did, and the lack of real resolution makes me both furious and empty.

Its a wild ride.

Watching this now, and I am literally clenching my fists watching this.  I am so angry.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on December 23, 2015, 02:38:38 AM
I really can't watch anymore tonight.  I am furious, and I'm only on episode 4.

I am going to finish River instead
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on December 23, 2015, 06:01:09 AM
Adam Ruins Everything-- Tru Tv

Another skeptic show for people with ADD. I love it.
How long is each episode? Ive been watching on youtube and its all 5 minute clips?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on December 23, 2015, 07:02:58 AM
Adam Ruins Everything-- Tru Tv

Another skeptic show for people with ADD. I love it.
How long is each episode? Ive been watching on youtube and its all 5 minute clips?

30 minute air slot. It's probably 5 minutes of the show, then commercials. Repeat.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on December 23, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Adam Ruins Everything-- Tru Tv

Another skeptic show for people with ADD. I love it.
How long is each episode? Ive been watching on youtube and its all 5 minute clips?
I love this show. Binging the hell out of it
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on January 01, 2016, 11:02:03 PM
Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee (http://ComediansInCarsGettingCoffee.com) on Crackle (http://crackle.com), which I only found out about today from you batsards. I'm about 17 episodes in, and LOVE it.

I can't even.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on January 02, 2016, 05:09:03 AM
Started watching "You're the Worst".
Funny and smart, great so far.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: SkeptiQueer on January 02, 2016, 06:27:10 AM
BBC has put out their Big Fat Quiz Show of The Year 2015. I recommend it, and all previous years as well.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on January 02, 2016, 12:24:48 PM
"Happy Valley"

It's only on Netflix. I saw the first 10 minutes of the first episode, and thought it was going to be a silly comedy about silly police and  skipped it.

Then with nothing new on over the holidays came back to it and now it's one of my favorites. Definitely not a comedy.

Binge-watched the entire series (one season) in two nights.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 02, 2016, 04:58:57 PM
"Happy Valley"

It's only on Netflix. I saw the first 10 minutes of the first episode, and though it was going to be a silly comedy about silly police and  skipped it.

Then with nothing new on over the holidays came back to it and now it's one of my favorites. Definitely not a comedy.

Binge-watched the entire series (one season) in two nights.

Very good show. Found that and broadchurch at the same time. Similar vibe.

Only thing to be clear on is that there are two things on Netflix called happy valley. Both are good but very different. The other is a documentary about the sex abuse scandals at Penn State.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on January 02, 2016, 05:09:18 PM
Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee (http://ComediansInCarsGettingCoffee.com) on Crackle (http://crackle.com), which I only found out about today from you batsards. I'm about 17 episodes in, and LOVE it.

I can't even.

Loved the Barack Obama episode
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on January 04, 2016, 05:42:31 AM
Galavant is back for a season 2
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: MikeHz on January 04, 2016, 08:41:56 AM
Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee (http://ComediansInCarsGettingCoffee.com) on Crackle (http://crackle.com), which I only found out about today from you batsards. I'm about 17 episodes in, and LOVE it.

I can't even.

Clever concept. Possibly the best thing Seinfeld has done.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 04, 2016, 09:42:18 AM
Fargo Season 2. Other than the UFO stuff, loved it. Season 1 was awesome, notably Bill Bob's character. But the good fellas gang war between white hayseeds is a constant joy to watch.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on January 04, 2016, 02:00:05 PM
Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee (http://ComediansInCarsGettingCoffee.com) on Crackle (http://crackle.com), which I only found out about today from you batsards. I'm about 17 episodes in, and LOVE it.

I can't even.

Clever concept. Possibly the best thing Seinfeld has done.

I didn't watch Seinfeld much - not my kind of comedy. This is wonderful. I'm now parcelling out the few episodes of season two so I don't run out all at once! I've watched all the rest since Saturday.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Drunken Idaho on January 04, 2016, 05:04:55 PM
Excellent, have obtained some good additions to my "to watch" list in here. Deadwood is up next, I think.

Recently watched Man in the High Castle, and I thought the premise was terrific, the characters are interesting and deep, and the acting is mostly great. Season 1 finale went where I really really wanted the show to go... I'm looking forward to season 2, though I'll be waiting a while. 

Currently watching Ash vs. Evil Dead, and I think it's hilarious. Helps to have seen the movies, but not a requirement... some slapstick and gross out humor, but Bruce Campbell is great, and the jokes are clever and frequent.

Also: The Venture Bros season 6 airs Jan 31!!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 04, 2016, 05:34:47 PM
Ive gone off the boil with Venture bros. How does it take so damn long to make a season?!
On the finale of Ash vs The Evil Dead now.
Flippin brilliant.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Drunken Idaho on January 04, 2016, 05:51:48 PM
Ive gone off the boil with Venture bros. How does it take so damn long to make a season?!

I think it's part artistry (they write and rewrite each episode a thousand times over from what I understand), and part artists' ego. I can't let it go though, I still love the show, and I love the evolution of the characters.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 04, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
Ive gone off the boil with Venture bros. How does it take so damn long to make a season?!

I think it's part artistry (they write and rewrite each episode a thousand times over from what I understand), and part artists' ego. I can't let it go though, I still love the show, and I love the evolution of the characters.
Oh yeah. Im still gona watch it lol!
Need my fix of the swedish murder machine.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on January 07, 2016, 06:29:35 PM
The Christmas episode of Black Mirror (only on Netflix) is brilliant
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 07, 2016, 09:12:37 PM
The Christmas episode of Black Mirror (only on Netflix) is brilliant

Is that the one with John Hamm or is there a new one?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on January 08, 2016, 03:36:39 AM
The Christmas episode of Black Mirror (only on Netflix) is brilliant

Is that the one with John Hamm or is there a new one?
That's the one
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on January 12, 2016, 02:30:47 PM
Galavant.
Just Galavant.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: petrolpetal on January 20, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
I'm watching 'Sensitive Skin' (6 ep Canadian TV) - dark comedy. I'm  loving it!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on January 20, 2016, 10:57:28 AM
Galavant.
Just Galavant.
Reiterating for this week.
This show is beyond brilliant.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 20, 2016, 11:58:53 AM
Fargo season 1 definitely belongs here but I just finished season 2 and it doesnt. Amazing performances, mostly well written characters.
Weak ending and two appearances of UFOs out of nowhere and for no reason other than to make two plot points occur. Way too much of that all the way through.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on January 20, 2016, 02:18:07 PM
Galavant.
Just Galavant.
Reiterating for this week.
This show is beyond brilliant.

how does it stack up against Crazy Ex Girlfriend and Glee?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on January 20, 2016, 03:41:13 PM
Galavant.
Just Galavant.
Reiterating for this week.
This show is beyond brilliant.

how does it stack up against Crazy Ex Girlfriend and Glee?

It's not even in the same category as Glee.
No idea what "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" is.

Galavant is basically the spiritual descendant of Men in Tights.
The songs aren't the point, but they make it really really fun.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on January 20, 2016, 06:02:39 PM
No idea what "Crazy Ex Girlfriend" is.

it's what Galavant is, a recent musical "comedy". isn't that what Glee was?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSj2wy7ZJVo
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on January 20, 2016, 06:04:59 PM
I am enjoying the fire out of Angie Tribeca.  If you like the Zucker, Abrams, and Zucker comedies, give this show a try.  It captures the zany, anything for a joke, style of Police Squad and Naked Gun.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on January 24, 2016, 12:13:08 AM
I've been rewatching Parks and Rec, starting from Season 2. Man. It is as good as I remember. I feel like all the characters were basically in place by this point, except maybe Donna. It's fun, too, to see the first appearances of such characters as Duke Silver and Burt Maclin.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: SkeptiQueer on January 24, 2016, 06:09:20 AM
Been watching "Don't  Trust the B*tch in Apartment 23" with the SO. It's  cheap humor, features a pretty good cast and scratches my cheap thrills/laughs itch. Bonus, you get to pretend that the titular femme is Jessica Jones' backstory. Same actress.

Also binged S2 of "Sirens" and it's fantastic. They take swings at religion, bad relationship advice, mainstream GAU stereotypes/treatment of gay men, and have a gay black man in the main cast and an asexual woman in the supporting cast who gets a little more airtime this go 'round. I definitely  recommend it because  it's  fairly low-key, plays with and  against common tropes often enough. Oh did I mention Denis Leary is writing and producing?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on January 24, 2016, 10:59:31 PM
Do webisodes count?

http://www.cbc.ca/punchline/punchline-originals/riftworld-chronicles-episode-1

I'm lovin' the heck outta this thing.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on January 25, 2016, 08:56:31 AM
So, I finished watching The Wire with my girlfriend, and I'd have to say, the first three seasons of that were pretty damn good, and then that 5th season...  Boy, what the fuck happened there?  It went from realistic, believable cops-n-crime saga to a cartoonish imitation of Dexter in the desperate absurdity needed to keep the plot afloat.  And this is from a guy that really enjoyed Dexter.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 25, 2016, 09:03:23 AM
Been watching "Don't  Trust the B*tch in Apartment 23" with the SO. It's  cheap humor, features a pretty good cast and scratches my cheap thrills/laughs itch. Bonus, you get to pretend that the titular femme is Jessica Jones' backstory. Same actress.

Also binged S2 of "Sirens" and it's fantastic. They take swings at religion, bad relationship advice, mainstream GAU stereotypes/treatment of gay men, and have a gay black man in the main cast and an asexual woman in the supporting cast who gets a little more airtime this go 'round. I definitely  recommend it because  it's  fairly low-key, plays with and  against common tropes often enough. Oh did I mention Denis Leary is writing and producing?
Loved Dont Trust the B! James Van Der Beek was awesome!

I loath Denis Leary though.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: SkeptiQueer on January 25, 2016, 09:08:03 AM
Been watching "Don't  Trust the B*tch in Apartment 23" with the SO. It's  cheap humor, features a pretty good cast and scratches my cheap thrills/laughs itch. Bonus, you get to pretend that the titular femme is Jessica Jones' backstory. Same actress.

Also binged S2 of "Sirens" and it's fantastic. They take swings at religion, bad relationship advice, mainstream GAU stereotypes/treatment of gay men, and have a gay black man in the main cast and an asexual woman in the supporting cast who gets a little more airtime this go 'round. I definitely  recommend it because  it's  fairly low-key, plays with and  against common tropes often enough. Oh did I mention Denis Leary is writing and producing?
Loved Dont Trust the B! James Van Der Beek was awesome!

I loath Denis Leary though.
I was surprised that Leary wrote. It was based on a book by an ER doctor, and lacks the 'angry at everything about nothing' tone of Leary's standup.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on January 25, 2016, 09:24:52 AM
Aziz Ansari 'Master of None' 8/10

A lot of fun. Gently subversive (not in a counter-cultural manner, in a 'joke is set up, oops it isn't what you expected' manner). He subverts the expected tropes and situations in humorous and progressive-thinking ways.

I didn't find it to be laugh-out-loud funny at first but it was very endearing and I laughed more and more as the series progressed.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on January 25, 2016, 09:32:58 AM
Been watching "Don't  Trust the B*tch in Apartment 23" with the SO. It's  cheap humor, features a pretty good cast and scratches my cheap thrills/laughs itch. Bonus, you get to pretend that the titular femme is Jessica Jones' backstory. Same actress.

Also binged S2 of "Sirens" and it's fantastic. They take swings at religion, bad relationship advice, mainstream GAU stereotypes/treatment of gay men, and have a gay black man in the main cast and an asexual woman in the supporting cast who gets a little more airtime this go 'round. I definitely  recommend it because  it's  fairly low-key, plays with and  against common tropes often enough. Oh did I mention Denis Leary is writing and producing?
Loved Dont Trust the B! James Van Der Beek was awesome!

I loath Denis Leary though.
I was surprised that Leary wrote. It was based on a book by an ER doctor, and lacks the 'angry at everything about nothing' tone of Leary's standup.
I think thats because his stand up wasnt really him, it was a Bill Hicks impression/theft.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: moj on January 25, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
The great British baking show. Some combination of things in the show make it incredibly soothing. Everyone is cheerful but mellow, the all bake wonderful things many of witch I've never heard of. I hope there are more than one season and they come to netflix soon.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on January 26, 2016, 06:48:02 AM
The great British baking show. Some combination of things in the show make it incredibly soothing. Everyone is cheerful but mellow, the all bake wonderful things many of witch I've never heard of. I hope there are more than one season and they come to netflix soon.

My wife loves this show and even though baking isn't my thing, I find it endearing.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on February 10, 2016, 02:58:38 PM
I had never seen it before, but I've been binging on Comedy Bang Bang on Netflix the last couple of weeks.  It's so weird and fun and I am loving it.  The Sklar brothers as creeps was a particular favourite, as well as the Sliding Doors episode.  And the Top 10 episode.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on February 10, 2016, 03:18:01 PM
I only saw season 1. nowhere near as awesome as the podcast, IMO.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on February 10, 2016, 03:25:57 PM
I think the target demo might be "male, aged 35-49, who enjoyed late night talk shows in the 90s but became bored with the format a decade or more ago".  Which is me.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Mr. Beagle on February 10, 2016, 04:43:50 PM
We have been watching "Madoff," based on Bernie Madoff's huge Ponzi scheme (the title role played by Richard Dreyfus). It is pretty entertaining and fairly close to the facts as I recall them.

The character that is a bit off-putting and not particularly accurate, based on the real-life interviews I saw was the role of Harry Markopolos, the securities analyst, who claimed early to the SEC that Madoff was running a fraud. He is portrayed as a very nerdy math guy, but if I recall an interview with him, his basic proof of the fraud was not particularly complicated, which is why he discovered it "overnight." My understanding is that he ran a list of numbers from the prospectus against Benford's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law), which is a fairly basic auditing technique.

He did run more sophisticated analyses later, but only because he could not get the SEC to act based on Benford's Law. The SEC did not believe those either.

Basically, Benford's Law says that any list of demographic numbers, from city populations to lists of financial assets, will have initial digits with a discernible, non-obvious pattern. About 30.1% of random demographic values will begin with a "1". Approximately 17.6% will start with a "2" working its way down to about 4.6% starting with a "9". If your sample is too far off this pattern, somebody is playing with the numbers, trying to invent values, which Madoff did.

For a class discussing this, I had students gather 100 revenue and expense items lines from random financial statements they found. The match to Benford's Law was amazing. This was a major failure by the SEC. In short, Markopolos was not as much of a mathematical oddball as he is portrayed (although he is still entertaining to listen to in real life).

The proof of this law is quite fascinating, and it makes you realize that reality is not linear.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: MikeHz on February 14, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
Aziz Ansari 'Master of None' 8/10

A lot of fun. Gently subversive (not in a counter-cultural manner, in a 'joke is set up, oops it isn't what you expected' manner). He subverts the expected tropes and situations in humorous and progressive-thinking ways.

I didn't find it to be laugh-out-loud funny at first but it was very endearing and I laughed more and more as the series progressed.

I'm really enjoying this show, and confess that I have laughed out loud.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Drunken Idaho on February 14, 2016, 09:52:22 PM
Aziz Ansari 'Master of None' 8/10

A lot of fun. Gently subversive (not in a counter-cultural manner, in a 'joke is set up, oops it isn't what you expected' manner). He subverts the expected tropes and situations in humorous and progressive-thinking ways.

I didn't find it to be laugh-out-loud funny at first but it was very endearing and I laughed more and more as the series progressed.

I'm really enjoying this show, and confess that I have laughed out loud.

What he said!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on February 15, 2016, 12:22:03 PM
Aziz Ansari 'Master of None' 8/10

A lot of fun. Gently subversive (not in a counter-cultural manner, in a 'joke is set up, oops it isn't what you expected' manner). He subverts the expected tropes and situations in humorous and progressive-thinking ways.

I didn't find it to be laugh-out-loud funny at first but it was very endearing and I laughed more and more as the series progressed.

I'm really enjoying this show, and confess that I have laughed out loud.

What he said!
It really reminded me of Louie but with more funny and less awkward discomfort.  Still some, just less.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on February 15, 2016, 12:30:19 PM
We have been watching "Madoff," based on Bernie Madoff's huge Ponzi scheme (the title role played by Richard Dreyfus). It is pretty entertaining and fairly close to the facts as I recall them.

The character that is a bit off-putting and not particularly accurate, based on the real-life interviews I saw was the role of Harry Markopolos, the securities analyst, who claimed early to the SEC that Madoff was running a fraud. He is portrayed as a very nerdy math guy, but if I recall an interview with him, his basic proof of the fraud was not particularly complicated, which is why he discovered it "overnight." My understanding is that he ran a list of numbers from the prospectus against Benford's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law), which is a fairly basic auditing technique.

He did run more sophisticated analyses later, but only because he could not get the SEC to act based on Benford's Law. The SEC did not believe those either.

Basically, Benford's Law says that any list of demographic numbers, from city populations to lists of financial assets, will have initial digits with a discernible, non-obvious pattern. About 30.1% of random demographic values will begin with a "1". Approximately 17.6% will start with a "2" working its way down to about 4.6% starting with a "9". If your sample is too far off this pattern, somebody is playing with the numbers, trying to invent values, which Madoff did.

For a class discussing this, I had students gather 100 revenue and expense items lines from random financial statements they found. The match to Benford's Law was amazing. This was a major failure by the SEC. In short, Markopolos was not as much of a mathematical oddball as he is portrayed (although he is still entertaining to listen to in real life).

The proof of this law is quite fascinating, and it makes you realize that reality is not linear.

I recently watched Chasing Madoff, a documentary mostly about Markopolous, and his head-against-the-wall decade-long fight to get anyone to listen to him.  It was a pretty interesting documentary, but I had the feeling that Markopolous started arming himself to the teeth based on fairly flimsy reasoning.  Sure, he was up against people who were buried in cash, but they seemed more interested in buying people off than killing them.  A lot harder to bury a dead body under money, than a live one.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on February 19, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
I'm sure it's been mentioned already.

But.....

"Black Mirror"

Amirite?

"15,000,000 Merits"

"The Entire History of You"

Amirite?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on February 19, 2016, 01:30:42 PM
Starting watching Man in the High Castle. Well made, but baffling at times.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on February 19, 2016, 01:36:18 PM
Starting watching Man in the High Castle. Well made, but baffling at times.

That's a fairly accurate assessment of the book too.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on February 29, 2016, 02:05:24 PM
I finished Man in the High Castle. Odd ending. Glad its been renewed for a second season. I really like it. They did a great job exploring the history fork, didn't spell everything out, left interesting clues as to what went so badly. The Nazi America was really horrifying.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: MikeHz on February 29, 2016, 07:42:57 PM
I've been enjoying Wolf Hall and Black Sails lately. Damn--there's too many excellent shows to keep up with these days. It's almost not worth bothering going to the movie theater any more.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on February 29, 2016, 07:47:46 PM
I found Black Sails very....grimey.
I duno....I love the concept, Treasure Island was my favourite book as a kid (go figure)  but it felt like it was trying too hard to give me gritty nastiness and tits.
I can see its actual quality, I just cant enjoy it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on February 29, 2016, 07:56:12 PM
I finished Man in the High Castle. Odd ending. Glad its been renewed for a second season. I really like it. They did a great job exploring the history fork, didn't spell everything out, left interesting clues as to what went so badly. The Nazi America was really horrifying.
What made it so appealing is how horrifying it was, and how mundane it had become to people in that reality.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on February 29, 2016, 08:19:11 PM
I finished Man in the High Castle. Odd ending. Glad its been renewed for a second season. I really like it. They did a great job exploring the history fork, didn't spell everything out, left interesting clues as to what went so badly. The Nazi America was really horrifying.
What made it so appealing is how horrifying it was, and how mundane it had become to people in that reality.
When you look at who came out on top in various genocidal conflicts throughout history, we kind of are living in that world sevral times over and its so mundane as to make that very thought seem ridiculous at first
Ugh.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on March 01, 2016, 02:46:18 AM
I finished Man in the High Castle. Odd ending. Glad its been renewed for a second season. I really like it. They did a great job exploring the history fork, didn't spell everything out, left interesting clues as to what went so badly. The Nazi America was really horrifying.
What made it so appealing is how horrifying it was, and how mundane it had become to people in that reality.
When you look at who came out on top in various genocidal conflicts throughout history, we kind of are living in that world sevral times over and its so mundane as to make that very thought seem ridiculous at first
Ugh.
Indeed.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on March 01, 2016, 05:25:53 AM
I found Black Sails-

aw sick there's a third season!


why I love threads like this :)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 01, 2016, 11:39:40 AM
I finished Man in the High Castle. Odd ending. Glad its been renewed for a second season. I really like it. They did a great job exploring the history fork, didn't spell everything out, left interesting clues as to what went so badly. The Nazi America was really horrifying.
What made it so appealing is how horrifying it was, and how mundane it had become to people in that reality.

That's a great point.

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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on March 01, 2016, 04:18:55 PM
So, I was pretty apprehensive about this....

But Wayward Pines is actually really good.  Once episode 5, The Truth, opened up, I'd have to say I'm hooked and already glad it was already renewed for a second season.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 02, 2016, 09:17:09 AM
So, I was pretty apprehensive about this....

But Wayward Pines is actually really good.  Once episode 5, The Truth, opened up, I'd have to say I'm hooked and already glad it was already renewed for a second season.

Possible response options:

1) Good, sir, we are going to have to agree to disagree and continue on as friends.
2) YOU ARE WORSE THAN HITLER WITH THIS OPINION.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Zytheran on March 03, 2016, 02:01:53 AM
I'm sure it's been mentioned already.

But.....

"Black Mirror"

Amirite?

"15,000,000 Merits"

"The Entire History of You"

Amirite?

Yes. One of the best series ever. So completely relevant to today. Everyone involved with technology development should be forced to watch this series.
With their eyes held open, like Alex endured with his 'cure' in 'A Clockwork Orange'...
My understanding is that there will be a longer series #2 from the US. Haven't seen any updates on this happening though...
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on March 03, 2016, 08:17:25 AM
I'm sure it's been mentioned already.

But.....

"Black Mirror"

Amirite?

"15,000,000 Merits"

"The Entire History of You"

Amirite?

Yes. One of the best series ever. So completely relevant to today. Everyone involved with technology development should be forced to watch this series.
With their eyes held open, like Alex endured with his 'cure' in 'A Clockwork Orange'...
My understanding is that there will be a longer series #2 from the US. Haven't seen any updates on this happening though...

The first anthology show I feel comfortable comparing to the original "Twilight Zone" in quality...
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on March 03, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
So, I was pretty apprehensive about this....

But Wayward Pines is actually really good.  Once episode 5, The Truth, opened up, I'd have to say I'm hooked and already glad it was already renewed for a second season.

Possible response options:

1) Good, sir, we are going to have to agree to disagree and continue on as friends.
2) YOU ARE WORSE THAN HITLER WITH THIS OPINION.

I thoroughly enjoyed Wayward Pines.  It remained consistently engaging the entire time.  I read that it was originally intended to just be that one season, but then Fox went and ordered more.  And frankly, I think that anyone that can't get over M. Night's name appearing as Executive Producer are worse than Hitler*.  :P



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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on March 03, 2016, 09:38:35 AM
I'm sure it's been mentioned already.

But.....

"Black Mirror"

Amirite?

"15,000,000 Merits"

"The Entire History of You"

Amirite?

Yes. One of the best series ever. So completely relevant to today. Everyone involved with technology development should be forced to watch this series.
With their eyes held open, like Alex endured with his 'cure' in 'A Clockwork Orange'...
My understanding is that there will be a longer series #2 from the US. Haven't seen any updates on this happening though...

I wish the British had more consistence in their TV series, as the haphazard manner in which these seasons are laid out was a tad annoying.  But Black Mirror was fantastic.  My only gripe was the one with the cartoon animal, because it was annoying and that tended to overshadow it's point.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on March 03, 2016, 11:54:51 PM
I read some review somewhere saying that e04 of The Magicians really impressed them, so I took a gander.

I'm hooked.

To me it's somewhere in the intersection of the darkest ideas in Narnia and Harry Potter. The fledgling wizards are badly broken; the school is a mess; the baddies in the other world are... Well, they ain't Aslan is all I'm saying. Oh, and the "hero" is not particularly likeable. (Hey, it worked for Luke Skywalker; it can work here.)

What I'm saying is I think the season has shaped up to be a solid show, with a rich and interesting world. There are great characters, real character development, and some fun action.

I'd say it's not as good as The Expanse, but it's not far off, either.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on March 04, 2016, 08:38:24 AM
WTF happened to Agent Carter this season?!! Oh hey, we have two fully weaponized nuclear bombs in the basement of this "impregnable" compound owned by a PRIVATE COMPANY, that literally had three guards and one electrified fence. Did the writers of this show just shit the bed and give up? Season 1 was really great. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on March 04, 2016, 09:38:36 AM
Started watching The 100.  Aside from some occasionally cringe-worthy dialog and cliche' moments, the show seems pretty enjoyable overall.  Didn't quite realize just how many post-apocalyptic shows there are these days.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 04, 2016, 12:28:22 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed Wayward Pines.  It remained consistently engaging the entire time.  I read that it was originally intended to just be that one season, but then Fox went and ordered more.  And frankly, I think that anyone that can't get over M. Night's name appearing as Executive Producer are worse than Hitler*.  :P

Actually it was pretty okay. I thought the "big reveal" could have been a bit, I don't know, something else. And the end seemed a bit lame. But then what series ends non-lame these days?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on March 08, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
Billions.  Man, what's with shows that show promise but are very flawed, there seems to be a lot of them these days.  This is a very engaging conflict, it's topical, great actors doing a lot of top notch acting and the relationships between people avoid the stale cliches we're used to.

However!

The writing is often just... terrible.  And I don't mean dialogue, I mean the things that happen in the show are sometimes just ludicrous and over the top and unbelievable in the worst sense of the word, as in you're reminded you're watching someone's impression of the world of hedge funds and prosecution.

That being said I'm still looking forward to the next episode.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on March 08, 2016, 06:16:08 PM
I gave up on Billions after 3 episodes. I didn't find the story engaging enough for all of my attention (part of it was the flawed writing you describe) but the concepts were too foreign and complicated for me (I don't understand financial institutions at all no matter how much Planet Money I consume). This was a bad combination. I have to play a game on my iPad while I watch because I'm not engaged enough, and I don't know what the hell is going on.

A great show (not sure if miniseries) is The Night Manager. Based on a John LeCarre novel. Great modern era spy story staring Hugh Laurie.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on March 09, 2016, 04:22:12 AM
Started watching The 100.  Aside from some occasionally cringe-worthy dialog and cliche' moments, the show seems pretty enjoyable overall.  Didn't quite realize just how many post-apocalyptic shows there are these days.

I liked the first 2 seasons, but I'm getting a bit annoyed with the "City of Lights" storyline.

and after a few too many unprovoked massacres, even I want to wipe out Sky Crew  ;) Except for Octavia  8)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on March 09, 2016, 09:33:30 AM
Started watching The 100.  Aside from some occasionally cringe-worthy dialog and cliche' moments, the show seems pretty enjoyable overall.  Didn't quite realize just how many post-apocalyptic shows there are these days.

I liked the first 2 seasons, but I'm getting a bit annoyed with the "City of Lights" storyline.

and after a few too many unprovoked massacres, even I want to wipe out Sky Crew  ;) Except for Octavia  8)

I won't watch the new season until it hits Hulu or Netflix, as I don't have TV.  The City of Lights part in season 2 was impossible for me to support because of the idiotic blind faith-driven aspect of it, but in most any story, there will be the faith-driven lunatics to fill that cliche (the people in The Mist spring to mind).  On the upside, on The 100, it never shows that endeavor to be anything but a terrible idea. 

I did like that several characters grew drastically in their development. 

After finishing that, I started watching American Horror Story.  Figured it's about time.

Holy crap, this show is great.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on March 09, 2016, 10:03:17 AM
I gave up on Billions after 3 episodes. I didn't find the story engaging enough for all of my attention (part of it was the flawed writing you describe) but the concepts were too foreign and complicated for me (I don't understand financial institutions at all no matter how much Planet Money I consume). This was a bad combination. I have to play a game on my iPad while I watch because I'm not engaged enough, and I don't know what the hell is going on.

A great show (not sure if miniseries) is The Night Manager. Based on a John LeCarre novel. Great modern era spy story staring Hugh Laurie.
Oooh, love me some John LeCarre. I'll have to check this out, even if it does star House. Perhaps he is reprising his role as King George though.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on March 10, 2016, 07:42:22 PM
A second season of "Happy Valley" is about to start on Netflix.

Excellent show, but don't be misled by the title, there's no much happy about that valley.

There may be enough time to binge-watch the first season before the second begins next Wednesday.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on March 10, 2016, 08:48:23 PM
I've been torrenting the second season of happy valley, and it's been great. By comparison I'd say it isn't quite as good as the second season of Broadchurch, but still very very good.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on March 10, 2016, 10:32:04 PM
The City of Lights part in season 2 was impossible for me to support because of the idiotic blind faith-driven aspect of it, but in most any story, there will be the faith-driven lunatics to fill that cliche (the people in The Mist spring to mind).  On the upside, on The 100, it never shows that endeavor to be anything but a terrible idea. 

I did like that several characters grew drastically in their development.

Yeah that was the parts that were annoying me. No spoilers here, but one thing that has been a positive about the "City of Lights" story arc is that we finally get to see some scenes pre-apocalypse and during it, and find out how and why it happened. That was interesting. They can end that arc now, but sadly it looks like it is becoming one of the major story arcs going forward.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on March 13, 2016, 09:51:21 AM
Did anyone else watch "Stag" from the BBC the last few weeks?

I enjoyed it. It was a 3 part mini-series about a group of mates who go on a "stag weekend" hunting stag in the wilds of Scotland to celebrate their mate's upcoming wedding.
But things go from bad to worse to WTF. It is a black comedy mystery thriller.
It is a bit hard to talk about it without giving anything away. But if you like black comedy and don't mind a bit of violence it is worth watching. Not for the kids though.


Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 14, 2016, 09:22:27 AM
A second season of "Happy Valley" is about to start on Netflix.

Excellent show, but don't be misled by the title, there's no much happy about that valley.

There may be enough time to binge-watch the first season before the second begins next Wednesday.

First season was great. Love a cop show without guns. She's just got to beat that guy with a stick.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on March 14, 2016, 11:40:52 PM
Based on this thread I have been watching The 100. It has a BSG feel to me - which is a good thing. I like that it breaks the D&D alignment system over and over; life is more complex than that. I'm now starting season 2.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: SkeptiQueer on March 15, 2016, 07:42:08 AM
Based on this thread I have been watching The 100. It has a BSG feel to me - which is a good thing. I like that it breaks the D&D alignment system over and over; life is more complex than that. I'm now starting season 2.
Anything that strays from the good/evil paradigm has my interest. I'll add The 100 to my list after I finish Twin Peaks.

Thanks!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on March 15, 2016, 07:56:15 AM
Definitely agree with the BSG vibe. For me it was a bad thing.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 15, 2016, 08:54:06 AM
I got about half way through ep 1 of The 100 and couldn't stand its teenage-ness. Help me grok.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on March 15, 2016, 09:55:01 AM
I got about half way through ep 1 of The 100 and couldn't stand its teenage-ness. Help me grok.

It does start off as a bit like a young adult "Lord of the Flies", but it has branched out to be more than that.
It is all about the group dealing with the many different factions left on earth. It's up to about 14 different groups now.
There are the cult like group, the group that went underground and stayed "civilised" and all the various tribal groups. Even a bunch of insane cannibals (A bit like the Reavers of Firefly)

I was on the fence after season 1. I liked it but I needed more. In Seasons 2 & 3 it has improved. But it is no where near my favourite shows that are on now. It's good, but not great.

If you need incentive. There is a fair bit of girl on girl action in this latest season  ;D
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on March 15, 2016, 12:04:44 PM
There is a fair bit of girl on girl action in this latest season  ;D

Tits or GTFO!

:)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on March 15, 2016, 12:14:17 PM
There is a fair bit of girl on girl action in this latest season  ;D

Tits or GTFO!

:)

I wish I could say yes, but unfortunately no. It is all under the covers.  But still hot. 8)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on March 17, 2016, 11:05:47 AM
Okay screw it. I've decided to give Farscape a try.  It certainly can't be as bad as Lexx, and at least it does have Claudia Black.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on March 17, 2016, 11:14:55 AM
Okay screw it. I've decided to give Farscape a try.  It certainly can't be as bad as Lexx, and at least it does have Claudia Black.
It is not as bad as lexx. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on March 18, 2016, 11:20:17 AM
The City of Lights part in season 2 was impossible for me to support because of the idiotic blind faith-driven aspect of it, but in most any story, there will be the faith-driven lunatics to fill that cliche (the people in The Mist spring to mind).  On the upside, on The 100, it never shows that endeavor to be anything but a terrible idea. 

I did like that several characters grew drastically in their development.

Yeah that was the parts that were annoying me. No spoilers here, but one thing that has been a positive about the "City of Lights" story arc is that we finally get to see some scenes pre-apocalypse and during it, and find out how and why it happened. That was interesting. They can end that arc now, but sadly it looks like it is becoming one of the major story arcs going forward.

I partially agree that I wasn't that thrilled to see that apparently set to become a new arc, but at the same time, I have no patience for a show that maintains the same struggles indefinitely without moving forward (this had become a gripe for Walking Dead last season).  I felt like there had been some good finality in the other arcs of Season 2.  I won't be able to watch Season 3 until it's streaming, though, so I'll have to wait a bit, but I'll give that new arc a chance.

----

On the Farscape front, this show is more enjoyable than I had originally thought.  Around the time this show appeared, there was some other somewhat grimy looking, nigh unwatchable "very 90's" SF shows that were really unenjoyable.  Lexx being an example of a show I found grueling, though I did try to give it a shot a couple years ago... but it was still grueling, barely tolerable nonsense. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on March 18, 2016, 05:51:32 PM
Episode 1 of Daredevil season 2 done.
Awesome so far!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on March 21, 2016, 08:13:45 AM
Episode 1 of Daredevil season 2 done.
Awesome so far!

The end of episode 3 is incredible.  An action scene straight out of the movie  "The Raid".  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raid:_Redemption)   A single shot (actually, the illusion of a single shot) of Matt tearing several dozen dudes a new one. 

More exciting than the big battle at the end of the last Avengers flick, easily.....season one of Daredevil was good, season two is going to define the show, and ensure it lasts for quite a while.  They are injecting it with a real style all it's own.   Much improved from Season 1.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on March 21, 2016, 04:00:44 PM
Episode 1 of Daredevil season 2 done.
Awesome so far!

The end of episode 3 is incredible.  An action scene straight out of the movie  "The Raid".  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raid:_Redemption)   A single shot (actually, the illusion of a single shot) of Matt tearing several dozen dudes a new one. 

More exciting than the big battle at the end of the last Avengers flick, easily.....season one of Daredevil was good, season two is going to define the show, and ensure it lasts for quite a while.  They are injecting it with a real style all it's own.   Much improved from Season 1.

Only halfway through, but enjoying it immensely. I'm glad they don't seem to be doing shots of how Matt sees the world as much as they did in season one. It was a little distracting and I like how they just show Matt doing mundane things that even people with sight can't do.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on April 07, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
Started Tyrant on Hulu.  Pretty good show.  FX must really have some good people working there. 

And man, TV is intense these days.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 07, 2016, 05:47:27 PM
Started Tyrant on Hulu.  Pretty good show.  FX must really have some good people working there. 

And man, TV is intense these days.

Ugh. I gave up on tyrant after like 4 episodes, and I was ready to give up after 2. I thought the acting was terrible, and I didn't find the plot compelling. There were so many interesting directions they could have gone, and they chose the most obvious.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on April 15, 2016, 07:49:14 AM
Episode 1 of Daredevil season 2 done.
Awesome so far!

The end of episode 3 is incredible.  An action scene straight out of the movie  "The Raid".  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raid:_Redemption)   A single shot (actually, the illusion of a single shot) of Matt tearing several dozen dudes a new one. 

More exciting than the big battle at the end of the last Avengers flick, easily.....season one of Daredevil was good, season two is going to define the show, and ensure it lasts for quite a while.  They are injecting it with a real style all it's own.   Much improved from Season 1.

Only halfway through, but enjoying it immensely. I'm glad they don't seem to be doing shots of how Matt sees the world as much as they did in season one. It was a little distracting and I like how they just show Matt doing mundane things that even people with sight can't do.

Having finally finished the series, I think that it was good, not great.   There were several great moments, but probably an entire episode or two of fat they could have trimmed from the story.  I'm not entirely sure anyone will ever get Elektra quite right like the comic did back when Frank Miller was writing it.

There is a scene in episode 10 that is probably the best portrayal of any Marvel character on screen for my money.  The actor didn't just do a good job, that character came to life. He was "real" in that scene.

You'll know it when you see it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: EvilNick on April 15, 2016, 09:02:50 AM
Started Tyrant on Hulu.  Pretty good show.  FX must really have some good people working there. 

And man, TV is intense these days.

Ugh. I gave up on tyrant after like 4 episodes, and I was ready to give up after 2. I thought the acting was terrible, and I didn't find the plot compelling. There were so many interesting directions they could have gone, and they chose the most obvious.

I loved both seasons and can't wait for the third.  I like the setting, the characters, and the production values. 

Though I'm not sure how you could know where the plot went without watching anything past 4 episodes.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on April 19, 2016, 06:55:53 PM
Unbreakable Kimmy Scmidt season 2!
Perfect feel good tv!
How does google have no hits for "Ellie Kemper thighs"? The woman looks like she only stops biking to film scenes, its really impressive.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 19, 2016, 06:59:38 PM
I've read of people leaving negative reviews for this show, and it seems to be mostly people who are heavily invested in the music industry, but I enjoyed the hell out of Vinyl. Phenomenal acting, cool directing, overall just a lot of fun.

Some of the music seemed forced (they have lots of transition scenes that were look alikes of 70s artists preforming songs randomly) but I don't have many other complaints.

Ray Ramano was even believable as a music exec, and had a great performance.

I'd recommend it. 8/10.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: arthwollipot on April 19, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
Season 8 of House isn't nearly as good as the rest of the series. The writing's worse, the acting's worse, and I just watched an episode where they proved that asexuality doesn't exist.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on April 19, 2016, 09:01:29 PM
Season 8 of House isn't nearly as good as the rest of the series. The writing's worse, the acting's worse, and I just watched an episode where they proved that asexuality doesn't exist.
That show nose dived hard. Looking back, they had some shitty, shitty storylines.
Remember when House stuck a fork in a plug socket to prove theres no god?! But then wasnt so sure.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on April 19, 2016, 10:34:12 PM
Ugh. I gave up on tyrant after like 4 episodes, and I was ready to give up after 2. I thought the acting was terrible, and I didn't find the plot compelling. There were so many interesting directions they could have gone, and they chose the most obvious.

I agree that the acting on Tyrant is terrible.  All the lead actors are like instantiations of Derek Zoolander, each with his/her one look.  I was about to give up on the show, too, when an unanticipated plot twist occurred late in Season 1 and kept me going.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: kendranoelle on April 20, 2016, 12:38:08 AM
Good god my opinions on what happened to House.

It was my absolute FAVORITE show. For about 2.5 seasons. I actually stopped watching most of Season 3. Season 4 was mildly interesting with the injection of the "new ducklings". But then season 5 after
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was just so mind numbingly stupid that I just quit watching.

When the final season was announced I popped in and out of watching and watched the last 2 episodes live. Such. An. Awful. Ending. God I was so pissed.

~~~~~

In other news, I've been watching Trailer Park Boys- comedic genius for sure.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on April 20, 2016, 05:21:53 AM
I love the Trailer Park Boys movie . Must try and get back into the show.
With House there was a few red flags that kind of bugged me at the time. Like in the first few seasons, he would wear comfy sneakers and be disheveled at work, but as we went along, this became a more constructed look and I started to notice that they were very conciously trying to make him cool and sexy despite the fact that people already found him cool and sexy.
His determination to offend people got pretty old and yeah, Kutners thing was where it jumped the shark for me too. I kept watching though. I dont quit on many shows. Rebolution is the only show where Ive seen every episode but the finale and honestly have never cared enough to see how it wnds.

Positives- Im getting back into The Office US. I never made it past the first season initially.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: arthwollipot on April 20, 2016, 07:10:04 AM
Good god my opinions on what happened to House.

It was my absolute FAVORITE show. For about 2.5 seasons. I actually stopped watching most of Season 3. Season 4 was mildly interesting with the injection of the "new ducklings". But then season 5 after
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was just so mind numbingly stupid that I just quit watching.

When the final season was announced I popped in and out of watching and watched the last 2 episodes live. Such. An. Awful. Ending. God I was so pissed.

~~~~~

In other news, I've been watching Trailer Park Boys- comedic genius for sure.

I've enjoyed it all the way up to this final season. But the best episodes were the early ones. I don't think they ever really approached the quality of Three Stories again, though it came close with the Wilson/Amber sequence.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: moj on April 20, 2016, 09:22:02 AM
I've read of people leaving negative reviews for this show, and it seems to be mostly people who are heavily invested in the music industry, but I enjoyed the hell out of Vinyl. Phenomenal acting, cool directing, overall just a lot of fun.

Some of the music seemed forced (they have lots of transition scenes that were look alikes of 70s artists preforming songs randomly) but I don't have many other complaints.

Ray Ramano was even believable as a music exec, and had a great performance.

I'd recommend it. 8/10.

I have to disagree and think you are in the minority here, not just for liking it, but in thinking that only music snobs dislike. Not many people like it. It toped Business insiders list of worstmost disapointing shows of 2016. Even here there was a thread dedicated to it and it’s no longer on the first page. I disliked it because no one is the show is likeable and it epitomizes all the things I hate about boomers. It’s just a bunch of self-centered people doing drugs to bad music.

http://www.businessinsider.com/worst-tv-shows-2016-4

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The premiere was viewed by less than a million live viewers, and things went downhill from there. What's worse, for HBO specifically, is that "Vinyl" failed to inspire that kind of water-cooler talk the network is used to getting.
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Post by: amysrevenge on April 20, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
In other news, I've been watching Trailer Park Boys- comedic genius for sure.

Related note:  just 14 minutes ago as I type this, ol' Jonovision himself announced on Twitter his retirement as the J-Roc character.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 20, 2016, 11:32:17 AM
I'm loving Limitless.  Its first season is up next week and it's like a cross between Psych and Chuck.  It's based on the film of the same name and the pilot's rocky but it picks up immediately.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on April 20, 2016, 11:41:08 AM
Hmm. I enjoyed the crap out of the first series and liked the second one a lot too. And yet, a movie based on Limitless the movie sounds so dumb... dammit. Do they solve Scooby Doo style mysteries or something?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 20, 2016, 12:20:10 PM
It's fun and pleasant in much the same way that life isn't.  I could be biased because my job's slowly turning Office Space into a horror film, but there's something really great about the main character being a happy nice guy whom an experimental nootropic transforms into a happy nice guy that also solves crimes for the FBI.  It's basically case-of-the-week with a strong emphasis on metaplot and above-average writing. 

But yeah, I didn't think the movie had anywhere reasonable to go but it totally works. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 20, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
I've read of people leaving negative reviews for this show, and it seems to be mostly people who are heavily invested in the music industry, but I enjoyed the hell out of Vinyl. Phenomenal acting, cool directing, overall just a lot of fun.

Some of the music seemed forced (they have lots of transition scenes that were look alikes of 70s artists preforming songs randomly) but I don't have many other complaints.

Ray Ramano was even believable as a music exec, and had a great performance.

I'd recommend it. 8/10.

I have to disagree and think you are in the minority here, not just for liking it, but in thinking that only music snobs dislike. Not many people like it. It toped Business insiders list of worstmost disapointing shows of 2016. Even here there was a thread dedicated to it and it’s no longer on the first page. I disliked it because no one is the show is likeable and it epitomizes all the things I hate about boomers. It’s just a bunch of self-centered people doing drugs to bad music.

http://www.businessinsider.com/worst-tv-shows-2016-4

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The premiere was viewed by less than a million live viewers, and things went downhill from there. What's worse, for HBO specifically, is that "Vinyl" failed to inspire that kind of water-cooler talk the network is used to getting.

I can't be in the minority because the show has been renewed for a second season, and it's rated an 8.1 on imdb, which is average for HBO shows.

Many critics didn't like it, but a good chunk of people sure must have.

Other HBO drama imdb ratings:
Big Love: 7.6
Boardwalk Empire: 8.6
Treme: 8.2
True Blood: 8.0
John from Cincinnati: 7.1
Game of Thrones: 9.5
Rome: 8.9
The Sopranos: 9.2
The Wire: 9.4
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: moj on April 20, 2016, 02:58:50 PM
from my link
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HBO was sure it had a hit on its hands. With names like Martin Scorsese, Terence Winter, and Mick Jagger attached, we don't blame the network. It was so sure of the series' success that it reportedly spent $30 million on the two-hour pilot and then renewed it for a second season after just one episode.

Then the reality of the situation hit. The premiere was viewed by less than a million live viewers, and things went downhill from there. What's worse, for HBO specifically, is that "Vinyl" failed to inspire that kind of water-cooler talk the network is used to getting.

Now show runner Terence Winter (whose relationship with the network dates back to "The Sopranos") is out over creative differences as HBO tries to figure out how to make people care about the second season of "Vinyl."

They renewed before they got any feedback and viewership dropped off.
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Post by: jt512 on April 20, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
+1 for Vinyl.  It and The Americans are my favorite current shows.
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Post by: moj on April 20, 2016, 03:54:25 PM
rotten tomatoes has it 77 for critics and 69 for audience

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/vinyl/s01/
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It wants so hard to be Zeppelin but ends up being as bloated and overstuffed as Yes or Emerson Lake and Palmer.

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Your reaction will vary on your liking for the kind of people the filmmakers have chosen to focus on... After watching something like half the season, they strike me as unbearably tiresome and uninteresting.

Some people do like it, but stand by disagreeing that only those invested in the music industry dislike it. Cleary that is not true.
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Post by: PANTS! on April 20, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
They should change the tag line:

Vinyl: Still better than John From Cincinnati.
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Post by: Neutral Milk on April 20, 2016, 04:33:55 PM
They should change the tag line:

Vinyl: Still better than John From Cincinnati.

Every TV show ever could be taglined with "still better than John From Cincinnati". Duck Dynasty is better than John from Cincinnati.
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Post by: Neutral Milk on April 20, 2016, 04:35:35 PM
rotten tomatoes has it 77 for critics and 69 for audience

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/vinyl/s01/
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It wants so hard to be Zeppelin but ends up being as bloated and overstuffed as Yes or Emerson Lake and Palmer.

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Your reaction will vary on your liking for the kind of people the filmmakers have chosen to focus on... After watching something like half the season, they strike me as unbearably tiresome and uninteresting.

Some people do like it, but stand by disagreeing that only those invested in the music industry dislike it. Cleary that is not true.

That's fine. That was just my experience with the people I interacted with that were violently enraged by this show. I never meant to say that was definite, just what it seemed like to me. I admit I was wrong about that.
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Post by: PANTS! on April 20, 2016, 05:31:29 PM
They should change the tag line:

Vinyl: Still better than John From Cincinnati.

Every TV show ever could be taglined with "still better than John From Cincinnati". Duck Dynasty is better than John from Cincinnati.

YES!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j9QeUoPOi4
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Post by: brilligtove on April 22, 2016, 01:06:18 AM
I quite liked Limitless - the movie and the show S01.

Certainly there were flaws, but surprisingly few for S01. Mystery of the Week worked well in this format, and the metatale was told well. Few (if any) characters have simple motivations, and despite the brilliance of the AZT users, they can be outmaneuvered (if not outsmarted). I like that other characters dabble with the drug as the show progresses. Now, awaiting s02, I am left wondering if they can continue the writing with this quality. The story can't stay at a local FBI level anymore. How will the structure of the show manage that transition?
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 24, 2016, 10:35:08 PM
I saw an interview a while back where the writers said they wanted each season to be its own self-contained story.  I'm really hoping this turns into Psych meets Chuck meets The Wire
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Post by: EvilNick on April 25, 2016, 09:20:16 AM
I saw an interview a while back where the writers said they wanted each season to be its own self-contained story.  I'm really hoping this turns into Psych meets Chuck meets The Wire.

Does anyone else think the final season of The Wire was almost complete shit?
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 26, 2016, 01:08:33 AM
*gasp* 

I liked it.  I've also heard it's an accurate portrayal of a newsroom. 
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Post by: SkeptiQueer on April 26, 2016, 01:31:20 AM
I saw an interview a while back where the writers said they wanted each season to be its own self-contained story.  I'm really hoping this turns into Psych meets Chuck meets The Wire.
That would make me so happy.
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Post by: Henning on April 27, 2016, 12:32:26 AM
Nathan For You is f*cking genius.
Every episode is a joy to watch unfold and LOL funny. In addition, it skewers quite a few skeptical targets, like gullible news media, reality shows, advertisers, ghost hunters, fad diets... commercialism in general...
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Post by: starnado on April 27, 2016, 06:44:44 AM
Flowers is a dark sitcom on channel 4 every night this week in the UK about a bleakly dysfunctional family. Julian Barrett (Howard Moon of The Mighty Boosh) and Olivia Coleman (who is amazing obvs) are the mother and father of the titular family living in a run-down house in a rural setting with their grown children.
Barrett's character is the author of a range of children's books written in rhyming verse who has lost his muse. His relationship with his wife is crumbling like the house they live in.

I have seen three of the six episodes: loved it so far. Very good. Will Sharpe (who wrote it) plays a Japanese lodger with a really deft and loving touch. He is a bright spot in a dark place, although all of the characters have redeeming features (with the exception of the son Donald and the neighbour who are scumbags of a different type).

Watch it if you can, it is good good good.

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Post by: EvilNick on April 27, 2016, 10:06:56 AM
*gasp* 

I liked it.  I've also heard it's an accurate portrayal of a newsroom.

What I'm referring to is

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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 27, 2016, 10:12:39 AM
Ah, a shame it was all wrong for you.  Humor-wise, absurdity works for me.  I completely gave it a pass on that basis; I found it hilarious.  In hindsight, though, it does seem a bit more niche than the prior seasons. 
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Post by: EvilNick on April 27, 2016, 10:15:32 AM
Ah, a shame it was all wrong for you.  Humor-wise, absurdity works for me.  I completely gave it a pass on that basis; I found it hilarious.  In hindsight, though, it does seem a bit more niche than the prior seasons.

It repeatedly pissed me off.  I was complaining the entire time. 
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Post by: arthwollipot on April 28, 2016, 11:24:24 PM
Having finished the final disappointing season of House, I'm now a couple of episodes into Sense8. I was surprised to see Naveen Andrews, but I was even more surprised to see Freema Agyeman in a startlingly explicit lesbian sex scene in the first episode. I did not expect that. There have been a couple of shows - Lost Girl comes to mind - that have had an explicit sex scene in the first episode, then no explicit scenes of any kind for the rest of the series. I think it may be a trope.

Anyway. At first I found the show confusing, largely because of the way that it jumped from point-of-view to point-of-view. After a time - perhaps halfway through the second episode - I came to the understanding that the jumping was not just a stylistic choice, it was a deliberate and essential part of the plot.

I'm still getting used to it, but I'm liking it so far. It's uses that jumping mechanism quite well.
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Post by: Harry Black on April 29, 2016, 05:42:40 AM
I generally dont care for sex scenes in my fiction. Just tell me they fucked, I can fill in the blanks.
That scene in Sense8 however was HAWT. And again, Im usually not into non hetero sex.
Its a shame I couldnt get past the first episode story wise. Damn you Wachowskis! I want you to be good again!
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Post by: brilligtove on April 29, 2016, 08:16:24 AM
It is a shame. As Arth noted, the story starts to really coalesce in the second episode. Also, that is not the only hot scene. Most are non-hetero; all are very passionate.
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Post by: GodSlayer on April 29, 2016, 08:34:40 AM
I generally dont care for sex scenes in my fiction. Just tell me they fucked, I can fill in the blanks.
That scene in Sense8 however was HAWT. And again, Im usually not into non hetero sex.
Its a shame I couldnt get past the first episode story wise. Damn you Wachowskis! I want you to be good again!

that goes against the basic 'show, don't tell' maxim of all fiction.
you could apply it to everything, and you'd end up as a person like me... like, just get to the little moral lesson you're wasting 2 hours full of pathos trying to convey to me at length because there's no multi-million dollar profit for producing 3 paragraphs instead of a blockbuster.

you show a car chase? just tell me what happened. you show me two people pulling up in a car, going inside, and talking, just tell me what they talked about. you show me a funny joke and someone's reaction to it, just tell me he's funny, I'll take you word for it. like, get to the point, I don't need a play-by-play. left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot, left foot landed within the city gates and finally he had arrived in Jerusalem... did I really need all that?
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Post by: moj on April 29, 2016, 09:48:31 AM
It is a shame. As Arth noted, the story starts to really coalesce in the second episode. Also, that is not the only hot scene. Most are non-hetero; all are very passionate.

Agreed, I enjoyed sense8 alot and think it was very underrated, it builds up well and would recommend it.
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Post by: mindme on April 29, 2016, 10:25:18 AM
Okay. Like. Season 1 of American Crime. Was Carter really guilty? My GF thinks yes but the series seems to have ended on nuances.
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Post by: Neutral Milk on April 29, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
Okay. Like. Season 1 of American Crime. Was Carter really guilty? My GF thinks yes but the series seems to have ended on nuances.

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Post by: Harry Black on May 03, 2016, 07:50:52 AM
Silicon Valley is still knocking it out of the park.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on May 03, 2016, 07:52:11 AM
That was something I never expected to see.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 03, 2016, 07:56:56 AM
That was something I never expected to see.
Are you referring to the statement or
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on May 03, 2016, 07:58:30 AM
The spoiler.  A coworker recommended it and I ended up marathoning S1 and S2 just in time for the new season and I'm loving it.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 03, 2016, 08:16:26 AM
The spoiler.  A coworker recommended it and I ended up marathoning S1 and S2 just in time for the new season and I'm loving it.
I think if Game of Thrones did that, people would be like "Whoa! Too much!" But now, showrunners must be watching and going "Wait..we can do that? OF COURSE we can do that! Goddammit!"
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Post by: mindme on May 03, 2016, 08:36:21 AM
Having been in a couple start ups (albeit not in Silicon Valley), Silicon Valley is devastatingly accurate. In fact, I almost want to claim the billionaire ("those are the doors of a billionaire") was ripped right off from one of our high profile investors.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 03, 2016, 09:33:08 AM
My sister in law gets stressed out watching it because the characters are too close to the dipshits she works with.
She has a particular problem with the hyper competancy aspect of it because they all see themselves as that type despite their work being riddled with unacknowledged flaws apparently.
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Post by: mindme on May 03, 2016, 09:47:37 AM
I suspect Silicon Valley will turn out to be about the guy who founded Pied Piper being a fraud. I mean, the story posits a compression scheme that's mathematically impossible, no? It would be funny if it was about smart people being duped despite the plain obvious. Basically Pixelon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixelon
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Post by: Harry Black on May 03, 2016, 10:47:50 AM
I suspect Silicon Valley will turn out to be about the guy who founded Pied Piper being a fraud. I mean, the story posits a compression scheme that's mathematically impossible, no? It would be funny if it was about smart people being duped despite the plain obvious. Basically Pixelon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixelon
Hah! That would be awesome!
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Post by: Harry Black on May 15, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
Its been mentioned in this thread multiple times but goddammit...
I showed a friend the first three episodes of Rome last night. I prefer The Wire but I think Rome is better written. By a wide margin.
To weave together historical events with interesting character drama WHILE making plot points out of mini history lessons about realities of roman life...it baffles me, its just beautiful. And Titus Pullo reminds me of half the guys I served with. Ok, more than half.
Is it even legal to be an actor anymore if you werent in The Wire, Rome or Game of Thrones?
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Post by: lubbarin on May 15, 2016, 08:27:14 PM
Its been mentioned in this thread multiple times but goddammit...
I showed a friend the first three episodes of Rome last night. I prefer The Wire but I think Rome is better written. By a wide margin.
To weave together historical events with interesting character drama WHILE making plot points out of mini history lessons about realities of roman life...it baffles me, its just beautiful. And Titus Pullo reminds me of half the guys I served with. Ok, more than half.
Is it even legal to be an actor anymore if you werent in The Wire, Rome or Game of Thrones?


Rome was a heart breaker. Cancelled way before it's time and rushed at the end as a result.
I would have almost preferred that they just ended abruptly mid-story.

Each episode is still, on its own, really great though
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Post by: arthwollipot on May 15, 2016, 09:38:04 PM
And plenty of penises.
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Post by: lubbarin on May 15, 2016, 09:39:11 PM
And plenty of penises.
It's not penisless tv. It's HBO
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Post by: arthwollipot on May 15, 2016, 09:47:03 PM
I came up with a Rome-watching drinking game once. The only rule was that you took a drink when a penis appeared on screen.

Your first drink was five seconds into the opening credits. It went downhill from there.
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Post by: lubbarin on May 15, 2016, 10:09:15 PM
There was a general HBO drinking game with breasts, but the ATF had to clamp down after a wave of alcohol poisoning deaths swept the country
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Post by: Ah.hell on May 16, 2016, 02:43:57 PM
There's an amusing SNL sketch which depicts game of thrones as being co-written by a 13 year old boy whose entire contribution is, "more breasts!" 
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Post by: Harry Black on May 16, 2016, 03:48:22 PM
https://youtu.be/qSXs-qafa5s
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on May 23, 2016, 02:48:47 AM
Just watched the Preacher pilot.  Definitely good enough to keep watching.
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Post by: wastrel on May 23, 2016, 10:21:20 PM
Just watched the Preacher pilot.  Definitely good enough to keep watching.

Have you read the books?

I have, and the first ep is spot on in tone, casting and direction.  REALLY looking forward to this series.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on May 24, 2016, 01:06:52 AM
Not really, just a few a few years ago.  Cassidy feels very right, though.
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Post by: arthwollipot on May 24, 2016, 05:37:34 AM
Okay. I have taken the plunge and am watching Arrested Development.

A great many people have told me that this show is genius. However, that is not really a good reason to avoid it. Lots of people can tell me that a thing is genius, and may still be theoretically possible for me to enjoy that thing. So I decided to give it a go.

And...

Yeah, it's not bad. It has some clever moments. A very few moments that I would describe as "quite clever" (the money in the banana stand joke was quite clever). It also has some moments where I cringe myself inside out. Those are normally a bad sign for me. Too many of those moments and I will completely lose interest. But so far, yeah. I'm not going to say that it's genius, but yeah. It's okay.

I'm about halfway through season 2 right now and I'm still interested.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 24, 2016, 07:33:48 AM
Not really, just a few a few years ago.  Cassidy feels very right, though.
His accent is bad. Its really distracting. For such a big role, why would you not just cast one of the huge amount of actual Irish actors looking for work?
 Oddly Tulip is actually Irish, not sure how her Texan accent is?
The action is really good but I have no idea why they called it Preacher. The character names are basically the only things that match, otherwise its a completely different story. And a less interesting one at that.
I didnt like it.
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Post by: stonesean on May 24, 2016, 08:05:15 AM
Okay. I have taken the plunge and am watching Arrested Development.

A great many people have told me that this show is genius. However, that is not really a good reason to avoid it. Lots of people can tell me that a thing is genius, and may still be theoretically possible for me to enjoy that thing. So I decided to give it a go.

And...

Yeah, it's not bad. It has some clever moments. A very few moments that I would describe as "quite clever" (the money in the banana stand joke was quite clever). It also has some moments where I cringe myself inside out. Those are normally a bad sign for me. Too many of those moments and I will completely lose interest. But so far, yeah. I'm not going to say that it's genius, but yeah. It's okay.

I'm about halfway through season 2 right now and I'm still interested.

I find it's a show that rewards repeat viewing.  It's so dense with jokes that I didn't catch them all the first go round...
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Post by: Neutral Milk on May 24, 2016, 08:35:55 AM
Okay. I have taken the plunge and am watching Arrested Development.

A great many people have told me that this show is genius. However, that is not really a good reason to avoid it. Lots of people can tell me that a thing is genius, and may still be theoretically possible for me to enjoy that thing. So I decided to give it a go.

And...

Yeah, it's not bad. It has some clever moments. A very few moments that I would describe as "quite clever" (the money in the banana stand joke was quite clever). It also has some moments where I cringe myself inside out. Those are normally a bad sign for me. Too many of those moments and I will completely lose interest. But so far, yeah. I'm not going to say that it's genius, but yeah. It's okay.

I'm about halfway through season 2 right now and I'm still interested.

I find it's a show that rewards repeat viewing.  It's so dense with jokes that I didn't catch them all the first go round...

Agreed 100%. I've watched through the entire series 3 times (other than the last season on Netflix, which I liked but didn't love). I find new jokes every time, and I'm also rewarded by the setup for jokes that won't occur for 2 seasons.

I'm also not surprised someone from Australia wouldn't find the show as brilliant 10+ years after it aired. It's not like there are a ton of pop-culture references, but there's something to be said about good comedy and the context in which it was released.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on May 24, 2016, 10:06:48 AM
Okay. I have taken the plunge and am watching Arrested Development.

A great many people have told me that this show is genius. However, that is not really a good reason to avoid it. Lots of people can tell me that a thing is genius, and may still be theoretically possible for me to enjoy that thing. So I decided to give it a go.

And...

Yeah, it's not bad. It has some clever moments. A very few moments that I would describe as "quite clever" (the money in the banana stand joke was quite clever). It also has some moments where I cringe myself inside out. Those are normally a bad sign for me. Too many of those moments and I will completely lose interest. But so far, yeah. I'm not going to say that it's genius, but yeah. It's okay.

I'm about halfway through season 2 right now and I'm still interested.

I find it's a show that rewards repeat viewing.  It's so dense with jokes that I didn't catch them all the first go round...

Agreed 100%. I've watched through the entire series 3 times (other than the last season on Netflix, which I liked but didn't love). I find new jokes every time, and I'm also rewarded by the setup for jokes that won't occur for 2 seasons.

I'm also not surprised someone from Australia wouldn't find the show as brilliant 10+ years after it aired. It's not like there are a ton of pop-culture references, but there's something to be said about good comedy and the context in which it was released.
In addition to what others have said, it's also a show that builds on itself to a great degree. The banana hut episode isn't maybe so funny all by itself but when the banana hut references keep piling up, them's comedy gold.
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Post by: Ah.hell on May 24, 2016, 10:11:05 AM
I agree with all the good things said about Arrested Development.   I will also add the show takes meta humor to amazing levels.  Replacing a lawyer played by the fonzi with a lawyer played by Chachi on a show narrated by Ritchie, F@#$ genius.   Unfortunately, not a joke that anyone under 40 would really get.
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Post by: starnado on May 24, 2016, 10:27:19 AM
I agree with all the good things said about Arrested Development.   I will also add the show takes meta humor to amazing levels.  Replacing a lawyer played by the fonzi with a lawyer played by Chachi on a show narrated by Ritchie, F@#$ genius.   Unfortunately, not a joke that anyone under 40 would really get.

YES THIS

I giggled stupidly, like, the whole way through those sections. I may have snorted.
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Post by: PANTS! on May 24, 2016, 12:41:11 PM
I agree with all the good things said about Arrested Development.   I will also add the show takes meta humor to amazing levels.  Replacing a lawyer played by the fonzi with a lawyer played by Chachi on a show narrated by Ritchie, F@#$ genius.   Unfortunately, not a joke that anyone under 40 would really get.

It's also not afraid to be, well silly.  Like spouting silly phrases, or goofy wordplay.  Bob Loblaw Law Blog springs to mind.  But also "Loose Seal!", Gob's magic trick production, and the stupid ass chicken dances. 

And the parody of Soverign Citizens is just great (http://arresteddevelopment.wikia.com/wiki/Maritime_law).  "You're, aaaa crook Captain Hook, Judge won't you throw the book, at the piraaaaate!"
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Post by: Harry Black on May 24, 2016, 02:43:38 PM
Whatever about the show being to someones taste, I think the narrative, in terms of seeding, callbacks and thematic messaging is so seamlessly integrated that I do think it counts as a genius piece of work.
Among the highest levels of plotting and continuity I have ever seen.
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Post by: Ah.hell on May 24, 2016, 05:28:34 PM
Totally agree with Harry.  I don't think they planned the whole story the way say, Babylon 5 did but there were jokes in season 3 that called back to season 1 so seamlessly that its hard to imagine they didn't intentionally write a 2 year long joke that was worth the wait. 
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Post by: arthwollipot on May 24, 2016, 09:28:49 PM
I agree with all the good things said about Arrested Development.   I will also add the show takes meta humor to amazing levels.  Replacing a lawyer played by the fonzi with a lawyer played by Chachi on a show narrated by Ritchie, F@#$ genius.   Unfortunately, not a joke that anyone under 40 would really get.

I am certainly over 40, and I was alive and paying attention to what was going on in the world at the time that it was made, so I'm getting the references. I don't think it's too badly dated for someone of my age.
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Post by: PANTS! on May 24, 2016, 09:52:02 PM
Whatever about the show being to someones taste, I think the narrative, in terms of seeding, callbacks and thematic messaging is so seamlessly integrated that I do think it counts as a genius piece of work.
Among the highest levels of plotting and continuity I have ever seen.

All the hand references.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on May 24, 2016, 10:04:38 PM
COCK COCK CAW COCK COCK CAW COCK COCK CAW OH COME ON
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Post by: Drunken Idaho on May 25, 2016, 01:40:48 AM
Knowing and liking Arrested Development adds another level to Archer, too (which is kicking ass).

 I introduced two new people to Rick and Morty last night; they were instant fans and I am pleased.
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Post by: SkeptiQueer on May 25, 2016, 02:46:59 AM
Whatever you do, don't go back and rewatch Rick and Morty. The first time is perfect, subsequent watches are painful.
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Post by: arthwollipot on May 25, 2016, 05:41:07 AM
Knowing and liking Arrested Development adds another level to Archer, too (which is kicking ass).

 I introduced two new people to Rick and Morty last night; they were instant fans and I am pleased.

I watched the first episodes of both Archer and Rick and Morty, and my overwhelming impression was "why the hell do people like this shit?"
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Post by: Neutral Milk on May 25, 2016, 06:12:00 AM
Whatever you do, don't go back and rewatch Rick and Morty. The first time is perfect, subsequent watches are painful.

Highly disagree. I've seen most of the episodes multiple times and laugh as hard each viewing. 
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Post by: Tassie Dave on May 25, 2016, 08:32:14 AM
I'm with arthwollipot.

I gave both Archer and Rick and Morty multiple episodes to show me what everyone was raving about. Never laughed once. I understood the humour. It just didn't connect with me like "Family Guy", "South Park" or even "The Simpsons" (when it was good) do.

The same people who suggested Archer and Rick and Morty to me, also suggested "Bojack Horseman". Enough said  ;)
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Post by: PANTS! on May 25, 2016, 09:39:14 AM
I'm with arthwollipot.

I gave both Archer and Rick and Morty multiple episodes to show me what everyone was raving about. Never laughed once. I understood the humour. It just didn't connect with me like "Family Guy", "South Park" or even "The Simpsons" (when it was good) do.

The same people who suggested Archer and Rick and Morty to me, also suggested "Bojack Horseman". Enough said  ;)

I am the reverse.  I find nothing funny about Family Guy, and save the movie, South Park is really hit or miss, for me.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 25, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
Yeah. Ive laughed something like 4 times at Family Guy since 2008. South Park usually works really well for me, but Id put Rick and Morty on a par with it. Especially having listened to the Harmontown podcast and seeing the thought process that creates it. Its another thing I might verge on calling genius and I actually really hate using that term.
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Post by: Johnny Slick on May 25, 2016, 10:10:34 AM
I'm with arthwollipot.

I gave both Archer and Rick and Morty multiple episodes to show me what everyone was raving about. Never laughed once. I understood the humour. It just didn't connect with me like "Family Guy", "South Park" or even "The Simpsons" (when it was good) do.

The same people who suggested Archer and Rick and Morty to me, also suggested "Bojack Horseman". Enough said  ;)

I am the reverse.  I find nothing funny about Family Guy, and save the movie, South Park is really hit or miss, for me.
I enjoyed Family Guy well enough but I have little desire to go back and watch any of it. I guess I like the musical sections the most. I haven't watched South Park this century. I'll go so far as to say that South Park has spawned a kind of "humor" in which people say crappy things to each other and then give themselves kudos for "edginess", which meh. Learn to joke. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are much more adept at it then the kinds of people you see "making fun" on, say, reddit, of course, but that's what always seems to happen with some strands of humor. Remember when the legitimately funny Dave Chappelle Show spawned frat boys yelling "I'M RICK JAMES BIIIITCH" and making (also terribly edgy) racist jokes that mean one thing when coming out of Chappelle's mouth but a totally different thing out of a frat boy's?

My general grades of these shows:

Bojack Horseman: A as a show, although maybe a B as a comedy (the thing I love about it is that it's so dark)
Archer: A- (sometimes it gets a bit full of itself)
Family Guy: C
South Park: Incomplete (I guess the eps from the 90s were Bish for the time but I'm not sure if they've aged well)
Rick and Morty: Incomplete - D if I have to grade it now (I bought the first season and have watched like 4 episodes... it has its moments but it strikes me as more gross than funny)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on May 25, 2016, 10:45:35 AM
I'm with arthwollipot.

I gave both Archer and Rick and Morty multiple episodes to show me what everyone was raving about. Never laughed once. I understood the humour. It just didn't connect with me like "Family Guy", "South Park" or even "The Simpsons" (when it was good) do.

The same people who suggested Archer and Rick and Morty to me, also suggested "Bojack Horseman". Enough said  ;)

I am the reverse.  I find nothing funny about Family Guy, and save the movie, South Park is really hit or miss, for me.
I enjoyed Family Guy well enough but I have little desire to go back and watch any of it. I guess I like the musical sections the most. I haven't watched South Park this century. I'll go so far as to say that South Park has spawned a kind of "humor" in which people say crappy things to each other and then give themselves kudos for "edginess", which meh. Learn to joke. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are much more adept at it then the kinds of people you see "making fun" on, say, reddit, of course, but that's what always seems to happen with some strands of humor. Remember when the legitimately funny Dave Chappelle Show spawned frat boys yelling "I'M RICK JAMES BIIIITCH" and making (also terribly edgy) racist jokes that mean one thing when coming out of Chappelle's mouth but a totally different thing out of a frat boy's?

My general grades of these shows:

Bojack Horseman: A as a show, although maybe a B as a comedy (the thing I love about it is that it's so dark)
Archer: A- (sometimes it gets a bit full of itself)
Family Guy: C
South Park: Incomplete (I guess the eps from the 90s were Bish for the time but I'm not sure if they've aged well)
Rick and Morty: Incomplete - D if I have to grade it now (I bought the first season and have watched like 4 episodes... it has its moments but it strikes me as more gross than funny)

I like this
Bojack Horseman: B all around. I really like it, but I don't think it's brilliant.
Archer: Incomplete. C for what I've seen. Never really caught me. I know lot of people that think it's the best cartoon on TV
Rick and Morty: A+. I honestly think it's absolutely brilliant. Extremely clever use of sci-fi themes, super dark, brilliant use of improv in a cartoon.
Family Guy: D. I liked the first season, but don't think it has rewatch value because it's the same kind of joke season after season.
South Park: Like Johnny I haven't watched an episode in a decade. I thought it was an A- while I watched it, but I stopped and then never felt the desire to go back.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on May 25, 2016, 10:56:33 AM
Guys, take a bit of time and watch some of the episodes from the last 10-15 years. That show got so much smarter than it had any right to be.
Off the top of my head, some stand outs would be the Game of Thrones episodes, the 08 election episode (released within days of Obamas victory) and the episodes satirising Family Guy, Simpsons and the draw Muhammed controversy at the time (I think that was a 2-3 episode arc?)
Edited- Meant to say family guy, not south park.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on May 25, 2016, 11:09:35 AM
Guys, take a bit of time and watch some of the episodes from the last 10-15 years. That show got so much smarter than it had any right to be.
Off the top of my head, some stand outs would be the Game of Thrones episodes, the 08 election episode (released within days of Obamas victory) and the episodes satirising South Park, Simpsons and the draw Muhammed controversy at the time (I think that was a 2-3 episode arc?)

I've recently begun watching the Simpsons again after a decade plus away from the show.  (Hulu)

It's still smart and it's still funny.  It's just not special anymore, because as horrible as Hollywood is these days, there is a real golden age of television happening.  The Simpsons used to be a singular smart funny satire of American life.  Now I can think of a half dozen shows like that without using Google.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on May 25, 2016, 11:17:40 AM
It just goes to show that comedy is subjective and very personal. I agree South Park's and Family Guy's best are from a decade or more ago. But I still get enough of a laugh out of both to justify watching still.

One of my favourite comedies of the last few years was a very low key British comedy about metal detector users (Detectorists). Nothing outrageously funny. Just a nice sweet comedy about friends who like to go Metal Detecting.
The two stars are well known British actors, Mackenzie Crook (Gareth from The Office (UK version)) and Toby Jones (Dr Arnim Zola from Captain America)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4082744/
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on May 25, 2016, 12:02:38 PM
It just goes to show that comedy is subjective and very personal. I agree South Park's and Family Guy's best are from a decade or more ago. But I still get enough of a laugh out of both to justify watching still.

One of my favourite comedies of the last few years was a very low key British comedy about metal detector users (Detectorists). Nothing outrageously funny. Just a nice sweet comedy about friends who like to go Metal Detecting.
The two stars are well known British actors, Mackenzie Crook (Gareth from The Office (UK version)) and Toby Jones (Dr Arnim Zola from Captain America)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4082744/

It's weird.  I used to enjoy the seemingly random digression into non-sequiturs and pop culture references of someone who clearly grew up at the same time I did in Family Guy.

Now I find them irritating and suspect that the writers are either uninterested or incapable of writing any kind of linear narrative.  I can't watch Family Guy any more.  I stopped around the time of "Quagmire's Dad".
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on May 25, 2016, 12:27:10 PM
Sure, the family guy has great jokes and I've enjoyed a few episodes but never enough to actually watch the show on a regular basis.  Like Stonesean said, they seem incapable of writing any kind of narrative. 

Loved the Detectorists.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Sidewalk Skeptic on May 25, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
There was a short lived show called Probe when I was growing up. Science and skepticism prevailed every episode.


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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on May 26, 2016, 01:15:09 PM
just started the new season of Silicon Valley. ...another El-P / Run the Jewels song on the credits. I wonder if someone at the show knows them personally.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on May 26, 2016, 10:16:44 PM
just started the new season of Silicon Valley. ...another El-P / Run the Jewels song on the credits. I wonder if someone at the show knows them personally.

Run the jewels are an extremely popular rap group at the moment and they have lots of fans that don't necessarily like rap, especially hipsters like the characters in the show. It doesn't require a personal connection.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on May 27, 2016, 02:32:29 AM
According to one of the music supervisors they are going for a "nerd swagger" vibe with the music.

Quote
How would you describe Silicon Valley’s musical identity?

Rudy Chung:- "Nerd swagger, essentially. Our characters are so strange and intelligent and funny that they’d be listening to interesting music in real life. It also probably means a pretty broad palette musically. They’re trying to create a game-changing business in a pressure-cooker environment, so the sounds need to reflect those stakes and those pressures. It’s a comedy, but in some ways the music we’re using is more intense than that."

http://uproxx.com/music/silicon-valley-music/
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on May 27, 2016, 02:48:07 AM
you'd think they'd go for some old Company Flow if that was the case (the white emcee's first group), the lyrics were certainly more of a nerd aesthetic than RTJ are.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: arthwollipot on May 31, 2016, 10:08:37 PM
Okay, I want to say two things:

First, I will never again be able to listen to The Final Countdown.

Second, "Bob Loblaw's Law Blog" is probably the greatest collection of syllables ever uttered on American television.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on June 01, 2016, 07:31:16 AM
I will never again be able to listen to The Final Countdown.

why?!
just the original?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on June 01, 2016, 08:42:44 AM
Been watchin AMC's Humans on Amazon Prime.
It's sorta like when I get a pizza out of the tri-state area.  It's not great, but it delivers an adequate amount of sci fi cheese, sauce, and bread, to satisfy my sci fi cravings.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on June 01, 2016, 10:04:37 AM
Second, "Bob Loblaw's Law Blog" is probably the greatest collection of syllables ever uttered on American television.

That's the kind of inspiration that only comes to a writer when you're spending a long time on a toilet.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on June 01, 2016, 10:17:53 AM
Been watchin AMC's Humans on Amazon Prime.
It's sorta like when I get a pizza out of the tri-state area.  It's not great, but it delivers an adequate amount of sci fi cheese, sauce, and bread, to satisfy my sci fi cravings.

is that remake or British?
that fucking British one was the worst thing since the weaksauce family movie AI
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on June 01, 2016, 10:51:59 AM
Been watchin AMC's Humans on Amazon Prime.
It's sorta like when I get a pizza out of the tri-state area.  It's not great, but it delivers an adequate amount of sci fi cheese, sauce, and bread, to satisfy my sci fi cravings.

is that remake or British?
that fucking British one was the worst thing since the weaksauce family movie AI

Haha I though i put this in the not very best TV shows....oops.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on June 01, 2016, 12:18:25 PM
Haha I though i put this in the not very best TV shows....oops.

have you seen Utopia? much better short little series for that sci-fi itch. same with Black Mirror.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on June 01, 2016, 12:51:39 PM
I loved the Swedish version of Humans. The AMC version (with the woman from the IT Crowd) kind of missed firing on many cylinders. The second season of the Swedish Humans actually tried for a bit more comedy, exploring how bizarre shit can get. It nearly carried it off.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on June 01, 2016, 03:13:00 PM
Haha I though i put this in the not very best TV shows....oops.

have you seen Utopia? much better short little series for that sci-fi itch. same with Black Mirror.
I actually kinda hated Black Mirror.  On paper it should have worked for me, but just fell flat.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on June 01, 2016, 07:02:28 PM
Haha I though i put this in the not very best TV shows....oops.

have you seen Utopia? much better short little series for that sci-fi itch. same with Black Mirror.
I actually kinda hated Black Mirror.  On paper it should have worked for me, but just fell flat.

All of it? or just parts of it?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on June 02, 2016, 08:17:48 AM
Haha I though i put this in the not very best TV shows....oops.

have you seen Utopia? much better short little series for that sci-fi itch. same with Black Mirror.
I actually kinda hated Black Mirror.  On paper it should have worked for me, but just fell flat.

All of it? or just parts of it?

I didn't watch all of it because the first 2 or 3 episodes I thought were annoying.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on June 02, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
I too was underwhelmed by Black Mirror. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on June 02, 2016, 10:20:41 AM
Second, "Bob Loblaw's Law Blog" is probably the greatest collection of syllables ever uttered on American television.

About twice a week I think about Bob Loblaw's Law Blog and smile.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: arthwollipot on June 02, 2016, 07:49:42 PM
Second, "Bob Loblaw's Law Blog" is probably the greatest collection of syllables ever uttered on American television.

About twice a week I think about Bob Loblaw's Law Blog and smile.

Yep, me too.

He did a followup with "A Bob Loblaw Law Bomb" in season 4, but while it was extremely well-delivered, it didn't have quite the same... flow.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on June 02, 2016, 08:16:47 PM
Second, "Bob Loblaw's Law Blog" is probably the greatest collection of syllables ever uttered on American television.

About twice a week I think about Bob Loblaw's Law Blog and smile.
"You sir, are a mouthful!"
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on June 02, 2016, 09:13:39 PM
Second, "Bob Loblaw's Law Blog" is probably the greatest collection of syllables ever uttered on American television.

About twice a week I think about Bob Loblaw's Law Blog and smile.
"You sir, are a mouthful!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2gly0HUKas
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Sidewalk Skeptic on June 03, 2016, 07:07:36 PM
The Prisoner
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on June 03, 2016, 09:20:50 PM
I think I liked the Prisoner.  Only saw the remake.  But....maybe I didn't....I don't know.  The end of every episode left me confused about what I had just seen.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on June 07, 2016, 09:06:09 AM
The Prisoner

Brilliant in every way, even the music is great.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on June 17, 2016, 11:55:56 PM
Unlike our Irish friend, I'm using the correct thread to laud the wonderful Voltron series from Netflix. 100% nailed what they were going for. Reactions are rippling through my circle of 30-50 year old nerds.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on June 18, 2016, 06:23:14 AM
Unlike our Irish friend, I'm using the correct thread to laud the wonderful Voltron series from Netflix. 100% nailed what they were going for. Reactions are rippling through my circle of 30-50 year old nerds.
Ha! I got told off before for using this thread for things that arent as good as The Wire!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on June 21, 2016, 02:19:34 AM
Outcast

Looks like The Exorcist the TV Series, starring Patrick Fugit who has grown up to be a foxy fox-fox, with the scruff and the big eyes.  So far I like.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on June 21, 2016, 12:35:16 PM
Dark Matter (on Netflix)

My wife and I just started watching it. It feels quite derivative of Firefly to me (that doesn't make it less enjoyable).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on June 21, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
Dark Matter (on Netflix)

My wife and I just started watching it. It feels quite derivative of Firefly to me (that doesn't make it less enjoyable).

I watched the first 3-4 when they were on the same-week space.ca showings, and quite enjoyed them.  Been meaning to get back to it.  That was Netflix_CA I assume?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on June 21, 2016, 12:52:54 PM
Casting was my main problem with that show.
That and samurai swords.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on June 21, 2016, 01:16:29 PM
Dark Matter (on Netflix)

My wife and I just started watching it. It feels quite derivative of Firefly to me (that doesn't make it less enjoyable).

I watched the first 3-4 when they were on the same-week space.ca showings, and quite enjoyed them.  Been meaning to get back to it.  That was Netflix_CA I assume?
Yep. Not sure if it's available elsewhere.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on June 21, 2016, 05:42:23 PM
I definitely liked Dark Matters but not really the very best of TV shows.  I agree with Harry, casting was off.  I think the only actor I liked was the black guy that's in all of the Canadian produced Sci Fi, I should look him up, he's pretty good in just about everything.  Everyone else was just meh. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on June 21, 2016, 06:19:27 PM
Since we are just 2 episodes in I haven't got my own opinion on the casting yet. I'll give that another 2.i do like the captain.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on June 21, 2016, 08:50:46 PM
I liked Dark Matters. It got better as the season went on.
Season 2 is just about to start (July 1) & Killjoys starts July 2. So a good weekend of Space Sci-Fi TV
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on July 07, 2016, 03:01:30 PM
The Night Manager is the best acted tv show Ive seen in years!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on July 07, 2016, 03:57:46 PM
"Marcella" on Netflix.

Even though this TV detective series covers a lot of the same territory that so many other crime dramas have (serial killer; copy cat; woman detective personally involved with key players) it's operating on a much higher level than most. And there is one major aspect of the show (that's also been used in mysteries before, and that I have never liked or even found plausible) that makes it brilliant.

The acting is top notch, too.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on July 07, 2016, 04:02:28 PM
"Marcella" on Netflix.

Even though this TV detective series covers a lot of the same territory that so many other crime dramas have (serial killer; copy cat; woman detective personally involved with key players) it's operating on a much higher level than most. And there is one major aspect of the show (that's also been used in mysteries before, and that I have never liked or even found plausible) that makes it brilliant.

The acting is top notch, too.

I stopped about halfway through.. maybe I'll pick it up again. I was just so annoyed that...

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on July 08, 2016, 11:15:06 AM
"Marcella" on Netflix.

Even though this TV detective series covers a lot of the same territory that so many other crime dramas have (serial killer; copy cat; woman detective personally involved with key players) it's operating on a much higher level than most. And there is one major aspect of the show (that's also been used in mysteries before, and that I have never liked or even found plausible) that makes it brilliant.

The acting is top notch, too.

I stopped about halfway through.. maybe I'll pick it up again. I was just so annoyed that...

(click to show/hide)

It's like that old cliche that if you ever see Jessica Fletcher in town drop everything and leave immediately.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on July 08, 2016, 11:47:38 AM
"Marcella" on Netflix.

Even though this TV detective series covers a lot of the same territory that so many other crime dramas have (serial killer; copy cat; woman detective personally involved with key players) it's operating on a much higher level than most. And there is one major aspect of the show (that's also been used in mysteries before, and that I have never liked or even found plausible) that makes it brilliant.

The acting is top notch, too.

I stopped about halfway through.. maybe I'll pick it up again. I was just so annoyed that...

(click to show/hide)

It's like that old cliche that if you ever see Jessica Fletcher in town drop everything and leave immediately.

You know, based on what I see on TV, England is a lot more murdery than the US!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on July 09, 2016, 12:02:56 AM
You know, based on what I see on TV, England is a lot more murdery than the US!

I feel the same way about Scandinavia. I used to think it was a quiet peaceful place, but after watching many crime dramas from there, I'm now convinced it is a hot bed for crime and murder.  ;D

Based on what I see on TV, both Britain and the US are so light on murders, that you can have the whole police department only working on one case at a time  ;)

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on July 09, 2016, 02:17:12 AM
You know, based on what I see on TV, England is a lot more murdery than the US!

I feel the same way about Scandinavia. I used to think it was a quiet peaceful place, but after watching many crime dramas from there, I'm now convinced it is a hot bed for crime and murder.  ;D

Based on what I see on TV, both Britain and the US are so light on murders, that you can have the whole police department only working on one case at a time  ;)


That's because they have to solve every case within 30 minutes.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on July 28, 2016, 05:07:28 PM
Columbo

1970s crime drama --was a big hit in its day and every episode features either a famous actor in the tail end of the career or someone whose fame was several years later.
This was a show that I was just too young to really enjoy back when it was on.

The pace of the show is fairly slow, and the episodes are about 90 minutes, but I can't stop watching it.
I think it is partly due to some nostalgia I may have, but the writing is really very good and unlike any of the other TV crime shows of the era.
The character of Lt Columbo --and Peter Falk's portrayal is excellent.
If there were ever a "crossover" show I would have loved to see, it would be a Monk / Columbo episode--the characters have some unique qualities they share, but are otherwise complete opposites.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on July 28, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
Columbo

1970s crime drama --was a big hit in its day and every episode features either a famous actor in the tail end of the career or someone whose fame was several years later.
This was a show that I was just too young to really enjoy back when it was on.

The pace of the show is fairly slow, and the episodes are about 90 minutes, but I can't stop watching it.
I think it is partly due to some nostalgia I may have, but the writing is really very good and unlike any of the other TV crime shows of the era.
The character of Lt Columbo --and Peter Falk's portrayal is excellent.
If there were ever a "crossover" show I would have loved to see, it would be a Monk / Columbo episode--the characters have some unique qualities they share, but are otherwise complete opposites.

I'd agree with you 100% on this.......












Ahhhhh......

Just one more thing, semas.............
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on July 29, 2016, 08:30:10 AM
Thing I loved about Columbo is, I seem to recall, each ep was "the perfect murder". How the fuck is he going to figure this one out. And he does. Although I suspect most of the evidence for the crime wouldn't stick in a real court. Wonder how many murderers walked thanks to his efforts. I recall a running gag on the show was he always referred to his wife but we never saw her. We were to imagine this poor woman who did her best to work around a guy comfortable with going out in the world dressed like an unmade bed. They eventually came out with a Mrs Columbo series and his wife, it turns out, was a stone cold fox.

And then Peter Falk made a very weird appearance in the German film Wings of Desire.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on July 29, 2016, 11:40:42 AM
Thing I loved about Columbo is, I seem to recall, each ep was "the perfect murder". How the fuck is he going to figure this one out. And he does. Although I suspect most of the evidence for the crime wouldn't stick in a real court. Wonder how many murderers walked thanks to his efforts. I recall a running gag on the show was he always referred to his wife but we never saw her. We were to imagine this poor woman who did her best to work around a guy comfortable with going out in the world dressed like an unmade bed. They eventually came out with a Mrs Columbo series and his wife, it turns out, was a stone cold fox.

And then Peter Falk made a very weird appearance in the German film Wings of Desire.

The thing about his appearance is funny.
As a kid I never took notice of it at all--except maybe the glass eye.
(sort of like how as a kid I never took notice that Jim Rockford's living situation was pretty crappy--I thought an RV in a parking lot by the beach was cool)

But the way he makes an entrance all the time is hysterical. He is always sticking out like a sore thumb, and lets the suspect and most people think he's completely unqualified. No one knows what to make of him He seems naive, but has tremendous knowledge.
It's fun when you notice that he zeroes in on the perp almost immediately. Usually when they are the only person voicing alarm that the "accident" is being investigated by the homicide dept.

I haven't seen him get into much danger, except for one last night where the perp tried to poison him (of course, he knew he was going to be poisoned let the perpp know that he also did the switcheroo-forcing the perp to show their guilt.

I too noticed that Columbo usually doesn't end up with a considerable amount of evidence for a trial.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 29, 2016, 11:48:32 AM
Doesn't Columbo usually wind up with the perp confessing evidence of their guilt? That's even better than evidence!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on July 29, 2016, 12:21:36 PM
ididit ex machina

most of those NCIS/Law and Order'y procedurals seem to use to give the audience a tidy with-a-bow-on everything-explained ending. never saw CSI, but I know even Bones did it a lot, rather than just having overwhelming evidence and denial all the way to the cells.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on July 29, 2016, 12:34:45 PM
CSI goes crazy with creative ways to produce evidence of the crime. I *think* they also get a bunch of confessions as well but if anything theirs presents a new kind of bias, one in which people want non-eyewitness evidence to be a lot more cut and dried than it is on the one hand and assume that it says what the prosecutors say it says on the other.

I'm partial to Homicide: Life on the Streets, which was created by the guy who made The Wire. There's a lot of confession-getting in Homicide as well but such things are often the central story of the episode: a pair of detectives don't think they quite have enough evidence to convict a guy but know he did it so they try various tricks in order to fool the perp into confessing (the now-infamous "copier as lie detector" bit comes from the show by way of the book that the show is based on, for example), or else they do have enough evidence but want to wrap the case up in a tidy bow.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on July 29, 2016, 01:16:41 PM
Doesn't Columbo usually wind up with the perp confessing evidence of their guilt? That's even better than evidence!

Sometimes it is an outright or implied confession, sometimes they are tricked into showing their guilt.

But often I wonder what would happen when it comes time to write their formal confession, because Columbo is often the only other person in the room when the perp spills the beans.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on July 29, 2016, 01:48:55 PM
Thing I loved about Columbo is, I seem to recall, each ep was "the perfect murder". How the fuck is he going to figure this one out. And he does. Although I suspect most of the evidence for the crime wouldn't stick in a real court. Wonder how many murderers walked thanks to his efforts. I recall a running gag on the show was he always referred to his wife but we never saw her. We were to imagine this poor woman who did her best to work around a guy comfortable with going out in the world dressed like an unmade bed. They eventually came out with a Mrs Columbo series and his wife, it turns out, was a stone cold fox.

And then Peter Falk made a very weird appearance in the German film Wings of Desire.

The thing about his appearance is funny.
As a kid I never took notice of it at all--except maybe the glass eye.
(sort of like how as a kid I never took notice that Jim Rockford's living situation was pretty crappy--I thought an RV in a parking lot by the beach was cool)

But the way he makes an entrance all the time is hysterical. He is always sticking out like a sore thumb, and lets the suspect and most people think he's completely unqualified. No one knows what to make of him He seems naive, but has tremendous knowledge.
It's fun when you notice that he zeroes in on the perp almost immediately. Usually when they are the only person voicing alarm that the "accident" is being investigated by the homicide dept.

I haven't seen him get into much danger, except for one last night where the perp tried to poison him (of course, he knew he was going to be poisoned let the perpp know that he also did the switcheroo-forcing the perp to show their guilt.

I too noticed that Columbo usually doesn't end up with a considerable amount of evidence for a trial.

My favorite episode was the pilot. He was portrayed less as a mystical crime solving genius, but more like a very experienced working-class police detective who was good at what he was doing because he worked hard and did the job every day, while the murderers were rich, wealthy and powerful, but inexperienced at crime, and always made incriminating mistakes.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on July 29, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
Thing I loved about Columbo is, I seem to recall, each ep was "the perfect murder". How the fuck is he going to figure this one out. And he does. Although I suspect most of the evidence for the crime wouldn't stick in a real court. Wonder how many murderers walked thanks to his efforts. I recall a running gag on the show was he always referred to his wife but we never saw her. We were to imagine this poor woman who did her best to work around a guy comfortable with going out in the world dressed like an unmade bed. They eventually came out with a Mrs Columbo series and his wife, it turns out, was a stone cold fox.

And then Peter Falk made a very weird appearance in the German film Wings of Desire.

The thing about his appearance is funny.
As a kid I never took notice of it at all--except maybe the glass eye.
(sort of like how as a kid I never took notice that Jim Rockford's living situation was pretty crappy--I thought an RV in a parking lot by the beach was cool)

But the way he makes an entrance all the time is hysterical. He is always sticking out like a sore thumb, and lets the suspect and most people think he's completely unqualified. No one knows what to make of him He seems naive, but has tremendous knowledge.
It's fun when you notice that he zeroes in on the perp almost immediately. Usually when they are the only person voicing alarm that the "accident" is being investigated by the homicide dept.

I haven't seen him get into much danger, except for one last night where the perp tried to poison him (of course, he knew he was going to be poisoned let the perpp know that he also did the switcheroo-forcing the perp to show their guilt.

I too noticed that Columbo usually doesn't end up with a considerable amount of evidence for a trial.

My favorite episode was the pilot. He was portrayed less as a mystical crime solving genius, but more like a very experienced working-class police detective who was good at what he was doing because he worked hard and did the job every day, while the murderers were rich, wealthy and powerful, but inexperienced at crime, and always made incriminating mistakes.
I think you have hit on my favourite aspect, he always seemed humble and he played on the pomposity of the villain. He was incredibly intelligent and experienced but they never gave him respect due to his appearance and other features.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: teethering on July 29, 2016, 02:05:04 PM
Columbo

1970s crime drama --was a big hit in its day and every episode features either a famous actor in the tail end of the career or someone whose fame was several years later.
This was a show that I was just too young to really enjoy back when it was on.

The pace of the show is fairly slow, and the episodes are about 90 minutes, but I can't stop watching it.
I think it is partly due to some nostalgia I may have, but the writing is really very good and unlike any of the other TV crime shows of the era.
The character of Lt Columbo --and Peter Falk's portrayal is excellent.
If there were ever a "crossover" show I would have loved to see, it would be a Monk / Columbo episode--the characters have some unique qualities they share, but are otherwise complete opposites.

I'd agree with you 100% on this.......












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Just one more thing, semas.............


Gee,  I don't mean to bother you sir, I know how busy you are, but my wife will kill me if I didn't tell you how much I appreciated your post.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on July 29, 2016, 02:40:33 PM
I read CSI is (or was) really affecting jury decisions. They wondered why the prosecution didn't have piles of rigorous scientific evidence just like CSI and view cases as weak that lack them.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: daniel1948 on August 02, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
I'm not much for tv. There have been only a very few shows I've enjoyed. When I travel, I turn on the tv in the hotel room, and seldom see anything worth watching.

But over the past few days I watched all three episodes of The Secret Agent streaming on the BBC (thank you, TunnelBear) and it was very good. Set apparently in 19th century England, there are cops, spies, anarchists, and even a bomb.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on August 02, 2016, 11:50:09 AM
I'm forcing myself to go slow with the new season of Bojack Horseman.  No more than 2 a day.  So good still.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 05, 2016, 06:21:56 PM
11.22.63
This is suprisingly really well written and well acted. The pacing is great and the 60s aesthetic somehow gets used to create a sense of tension.
The basic premise is that an english teacher is given a mission by his dying, eccentric friend to go back in time and stop the assassination of JFK. It sounds like it would be tongue in cheek but it isnt, the whole thing is handled really well.
The time travel mechanic is Narniaesque but really interesting in how it plays out. Basically, once he goes in, he has to try and spend a few years living in the past or his work is undone when he gets back.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: daniel1948 on August 05, 2016, 07:43:01 PM
When I read fantasy I suspend disbelief. But in the case of time travel, I cannot, due to the butterfly effect. Go into the past and change anything, and you will never have been born, and thus unable to go into the past. It only works when the author is being silly, as in HGttG.

Of course, time travel is real. I'm doing it right now. I've traveled through a couple of minutes just while typing this.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 05, 2016, 07:51:26 PM
When I read fantasy I suspend disbelief. But in the case of time travel, I cannot, due to the butterfly effect. Go into the past and change anything, and you will never have been born, and thus unable to go into the past. It only works when the author is being silly, as in HGttG.

Of course, time travel is real. I'm doing it right now. I've traveled through a couple of minutes just while typing this.
I do agree.
I just imagine a universe where that assumption is incorrect and the reasons for it are beyond my comprehension.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: daniel1948 on August 05, 2016, 08:07:20 PM
When I read fantasy I suspend disbelief. But in the case of time travel, I cannot, due to the butterfly effect. Go into the past and change anything, and you will never have been born, and thus unable to go into the past. It only works when the author is being silly, as in HGttG.

Of course, time travel is real. I'm doing it right now. I've traveled through a couple of minutes just while typing this.
I do agree.
I just imagine a universe where that assumption is incorrect and the reasons for it are beyond my comprehension.

I can do that for most of the tropes in sci-fi and fantasy, but not for time travel.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 05, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
When I read fantasy I suspend disbelief. But in the case of time travel, I cannot, due to the butterfly effect. Go into the past and change anything, and you will never have been born, and thus unable to go into the past. It only works when the author is being silly, as in HGttG.

Of course, time travel is real. I'm doing it right now. I've traveled through a couple of minutes just while typing this.
I do agree.
I just imagine a universe where that assumption is incorrect and the reasons for it are beyond my comprehension.

I can do that for most of the tropes in sci-fi and fantasy, but not for time travel.
Yeah, its weird the lines our brains draw.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on August 06, 2016, 02:57:59 AM
11.22.63
This is suprisingly really well written and well acted. The pacing is great and the 60s aesthetic somehow gets used to create a sense of tension.

Except it is full of huge plot holes and it wastes whole episodes on minor plot points and
(click to show/hide)

The huge reset button was always there, so no mistake was undoable. I would have liked the alternate future angle to be explored a bit more. and on that point.
(click to show/hide)

Apparently the book is a lot better. A typical scenario with Stephen King novels converted to TV.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: SkeptiQueer on August 06, 2016, 03:13:08 AM
Stranger Things. Yaaaaaassssss.

Scrotal Recall. Sounds terrible, has a very Inbetweeners feel I think. The protagonist is diagnosed with gonorrhea and decides rather than sending the notification cards to everyone he's slept with in the last whatever years, he's going to call or go see them in person. Exploration of his love life. Pretty good, IMO. On Netflix.

I find myself still watching Kimmy Schmidt and 30 Rock when working on school or other stuff.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on August 06, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
When I read fantasy I suspend disbelief. But in the case of time travel, I cannot, due to the butterfly effect.

best Ashton Kutcher movi- oops, wrong thread.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 06, 2016, 03:53:01 PM
When I read fantasy I suspend disbelief. But in the case of time travel, I cannot, due to the butterfly effect.

best Ashton Kutcher movi- oops, wrong thread.
Has he been in a good movie? I like Dude, Wheres My Car?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on August 07, 2016, 05:03:33 PM
I did like Butterfly Effect. I don't know if I've seen him in anything else.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 07, 2016, 05:08:42 PM
I saw him in The Guardian.
It was Top Gun with swimming.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on August 08, 2016, 08:40:54 AM
I did like Butterfly Effect. I don't know if I've seen him in anything else.

That was a fun movie. Just about nothing in it irritated me.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on August 09, 2016, 07:07:56 PM
Last Chance U

I don't watch football. I can't stand it. I find it boring, I don't know enough about the teams to follow along, and I'd rather spend the time I waste doing things besides learning player stats so I can effectively play fantasy football.

I love football related dramas. The only way I can explain this paradox is the very reason I find football so unpalatable.. There is so fucking much down time. Everyone knows this, but those of us that don't like the action are bored to death. The wall street journal had a good article about this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406

Back to my point.. what makes this sport so boring as a game makes it so interesting as an engine for drama. There's so much down time that you can really get into what's going on with the players throughout the game. You can feel the anxiety they're feeling.

Last Chance U is a solid documentary series about Eastern Mississippi Community College, where they take on kids who are excellent at football but who were either kicked out of top tier schools, or couldn't go because they are fuck ups. It's a place where apparently a lot of greats got a second chance and ultimately made it into the pros (or back to top tier schools anyway).

If you hate football but love football dramas (Varsity Blues, Friday Night Lights, Any Given Sunday, etc.) check this shit out. If you love football I don't understand you so I don't know if you'll actually like this, but I imagine you probably will.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 09, 2016, 07:16:03 PM
Mr Sunday Movies from youtube (and also Australia) says that he doesnt have a clue what American football is about but he loves football dramas too! Weird.

I will say I enjoy the comic Southern Bastards, which is a football drama with a heavy chunk of small town corruption and violence thrown in.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on August 10, 2016, 10:07:26 AM
I did like Butterfly Effect. I don't know if I've seen him in anything else.

That was a fun movie. Just about nothing in it irritated me.

I thought it was a lot of fun but I never usually tell anyone because some people think it is rubbish. I enjoyed the hell out of it though.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 10, 2016, 01:05:38 PM
Braindead.
Im only on episode 3 and I found episode 1 just ok, but each episode starts with these awesome recap songs and its moving along really well!
Heres the ep 2 recap, slight spoilers for ep 1 of course but I think its a better pitch and sell for the show than I could do-
https://youtu.be/NfLNwndVfKM

Basically the gist is- What if alien brainbugs were making everyone in politics nuts?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 11, 2016, 07:51:40 AM
Noooooooo!!!!!
Braindead just went to the whole left brain/right brain nonsense!!
Gah.
Its still a good show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on August 24, 2016, 01:00:58 PM
I ran into the weirdest little mini-series called "Dramaworld" (it's on Netflix). The premise sounds a lot like bad fanfiction but it's actually really fun.
It's about a girl who's obsessed with K-Dramas and gets sucked into "Dramaworld" which is a place where all the K-Dramas she's watching are real and she becomes part of the show, and her role in that world is trying to set up the two main characters in every series.
I know - it sounds stupid - but it's actually really adorable and fun so give it a shot. It's also pretty short, so it's not a huge commitment to watch.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Captain Video on August 24, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
I really enjoyed "The Get Down" on Netflix.  The contrast between two very important music genres both reliant on the DJ, Disco and what would become Hip Hop. Embellishments and musical interludes aside the story is somewhat historically accurate. DJ Kool Herc to the east, Afrika Bambaataa to the west and Grand Master Flash in the center of the South Bronx. If you ever wondered how a turntablist is able to do what they do this show explains it.

What else is interesting to me is that as history moves on the DJ element of hip hop disappeared followed by the DJ taking over bands in the Dance genres, Our roots were exactly the opposite.

The break from these two tracks and a few others changed history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxZuq57_bYM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHn48b7iWF0

here is a great article on how grandmaster flash used science to pioneer the DJ

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/08/23/grandmaster-flash-on-the-get-down-and-how-he-used-science-to-pioneer-dj-techniques/

Thats the Joint!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on August 26, 2016, 11:28:35 AM
Noooooooo!!!!!
Braindead just went to the whole left brain/right brain nonsense!!
Gah.
Its still a good show.

Just binged the first 9 episodes.

got off to a rocky start but really picked up steam.  I really love that the characters mostly make sound logical descisions and are approaching the mystery in smart ways.  And I love that they are smart capable people.  I wish the science was a little better (a la left brain right brain thing) but it's fairly self consistent so I don't mind.

It's basically house of cards meets shaun of the dead.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on August 26, 2016, 12:54:24 PM
I ran into the weirdest little mini-series called "Dramaworld" (it's on Netflix). The premise sounds a lot like bad fanfiction but it's actually really fun.
It's about a girl who's obsessed with K-Dramas and gets sucked into "Dramaworld" which is a place where all the K-Dramas she's watching are real and she becomes part of the show, and her role in that world is trying to set up the two main characters in every series.
I know - it sounds stupid - but it's actually really adorable and fun so give it a shot. It's also pretty short, so it's not a huge commitment to watch.

Oh. Sweet. I lived in Seoul for 4 years. Should good, at least scenery wise.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on August 26, 2016, 02:29:40 PM
clone high
It's a bit dated now, but still brilliant.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on August 27, 2016, 03:32:59 AM
for years she's been the comedy world's favorite _current_ female comedian (people appreciate Roseanne Barr, but she's not really that active anymore), but now she has her own show that even has the critics raving

(http://i.imgur.com/26nQm6f.jpg)

anyone seen it yet? I've only seen the first ep so far.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 27, 2016, 06:24:32 AM
for years she's been the comedy world's favorite _current_ female comedian (people appreciate Roseanne Barr, but she's not really that active anymore), but now she has her own show that even has the critics raving

(http://i.imgur.com/26nQm6f.jpg)

anyone seen it yet? I've only seen the first ep so far.
I always enjoy changing the 'you' in those things to 'I' and seeing how differently the tone reads!

Edit- Not trying to say anything deep. It just tickles me.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on August 27, 2016, 10:55:33 AM
for years she's been the comedy world's favorite _current_ female comedian (people appreciate Roseanne Barr, but she's not really that active anymore), but now she has her own show that even has the critics raving

(http://i.imgur.com/26nQm6f.jpg)

anyone seen it yet? I've only seen the first ep so far.
I always enjoy changing the 'you' in those things to 'I' and seeing how differently the tone reads!

Edit- Not trying to say anything deep. It just tickles me.

'real friends are there for I' makes it sound so much more Shakespearesome
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on August 27, 2016, 04:10:32 PM
Has anyone mentioned "Catastrophe" on Amazon? That's a lot of fun. We were going to just watch one episode last night but did four in a row. Luckily there's a lot more where they came from.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on August 28, 2016, 09:14:47 PM
Really enjoying Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell. Just popped up on my Netflix and I watched 3 episodes today. Basic story is it's mid 19th century England, there hasn't been magic in 300 years, and two dudes are bringing it back mainstream.

It feels to me like it's doing right all the things Penny Dreadful did wrong. I watched a season of Penny Dreadful and that was a challenge. I like the era, and the concept, but Penny Dreadful tries to do too much. They tried to include every monster and villain they could think of, and it's overwhelming (and sometimes illogical) to have them all in the same universe. In Strange & Norrell it's basically just magic and (at this point anyway) one magical creature. The writing is solid and the story line isn't cliched (another gripe I have with Penny Dreadful.. the story was pretty obvious).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: 1Pirate on August 29, 2016, 06:38:42 AM
Pretty faithful adaptation of the book, though some parts get condensed quite a bit.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 29, 2016, 09:09:19 PM
Bojack is a constant punch to the gut and also one of the best tv shows in history.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on August 30, 2016, 01:48:24 AM
Bojack is a constant punch to the gut

I hear a lot of people using that term.
I guess I'm just desensitized to these things. I enjoy and relate to the show, but it doesn't get much more than a nod of familiar recognition from me.

imo the biggest mistake they've made is to try to imply you can only be as neurotically miserable as Bojack if your parents were cartoonishly horrible. they kinda rectified that with Todd's speech near the end of Season 3, but it's not clear how much that's meant to imply anyone out there in the audience could just as easily be raising someone who'll be as unhappy as Bojack despite all their good intentions. It just puts it into that kind of 'safe' realm like supernatural horror movies, where after you're finished watching you can assure yourself it's all make believe and the actual world is actually good. Maybe they did it in an attempt to add some heartstring moments, but to me it's like if True Detective declared that Rust Cohle was molested as a choir boy, thus explaining why, fear not, he's not just a normal person reaching normal conclusions, but is somehow an exception to the rule and the way he is isn't something you should worry about other people becoming. It seems like a much more honest and even intriguing story to have a young lad grow up happy and successful with good parents, not lonely and abused and torturing small animals, and then becoming Michael Vick giddy dog abuser seemingly out of the normality of mentally healthy suburbia
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on August 30, 2016, 05:37:31 AM
Rick and Morty is wonderful
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on August 30, 2016, 05:55:17 AM
Rick and Morty is wonderful
wubba-lubba-dubdub! 

It really is wonderful, shame there isn't more of it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on August 30, 2016, 07:57:50 AM
Rick and Morty is wonderful

Thought there was a bit of a drop in season 2, but still very good. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on August 30, 2016, 02:09:57 PM
Browsing through Netflix I noticed that "Line of Duty" had new episodes.

That's a truly great show!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Captain Video on August 30, 2016, 03:10:11 PM
Bojack is a constant punch to the gut and also one of the best tv shows in history.

I just discovered this show, there is a lot of "set humor" that would seem to go over some peoples heads who don't know how things work on a show.  I cant stop laughing through it and I wonder if others laugh at the same things I do.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 30, 2016, 03:12:06 PM
New series of Red Dwarf is out in September.
Plenty of time for people to catch up on it if they havent seen it before!
My favourite RD story was from Patrick Stewart who says he saw it in a hotel and had the phone in hand, ready to call his lawyers when he started laughing his ass off and became a fan!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Captain Video on August 30, 2016, 03:24:05 PM
Being Mary Jane

I just started working this show and wanted to catch up on what was going on. I didn't think I would like it but discovered that its really good, I'm very impressed, I learned stuff too. It might even give Johnny's Gilmore girls a run for its money. I watched the first season then skipped to the end and watched they last 2 episodes of season 3 so I would have reference on the upcoming season. I certainly plan on going back and watching season 2 and the rest of 3.

I'm looking forward to working with Mario Van Peebles who is coming back to direct some of the episodes.

Im not just pumping it up because I m working it, I really enjoyed the characters and the pacing of the show. Of course 4th season is going to be fantastic because I am working it  >:D

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on August 30, 2016, 03:31:34 PM
Bojack is a constant punch to the gut and also one of the best tv shows in history.

I just discovered this show, there is a lot of "set humor" that would seem to go over some peoples heads who don't know how things work on a show.  I cant stop laughing through it and I wonder if others laugh at the same things I do.
It gets very inside baseball, yeah. There's also a lot of meticulous work that's done - make sure to look at all the stuff in the background, as there are movie puns galore, especially in the later seasons - and, especially for a sitcom, a *massive* amount of setting up plot points John Irving style...

(click to show/hide)

But more than anything else, I find the Bojack character to be incredibly... interesting. I'm not convinced that he's basically a good person except in that everyone is basically a good person, but his awfulness is extremely understandable and it's a real testament to the show that not only do you continue to kind of root for him even after he's done some terrible, terrible things

(click to show/hide)

(click to show/hide)

but somehow emphasizing with the character almost allows you to accept the downright goofy world that he inhabits as not just real but cogent social satire, and then on top of *that* a very emotional, very deep show that's unlike anything that's been on TV before. If anything, the gags seem to soften the super duper hard blows that come with watching Bojack. I can't even call it a "dark comedy" because it's really nothing like "Married... With Children" or "Archer". I'd say it's closer to the UK version of The Office, only a version of that that forces you to stick with David Brent and even start to really feel what he feels.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on August 30, 2016, 08:37:39 PM
Browsing through Netflix I noticed that "Line of Duty" had new episodes.

That's a truly great show!

Hm. I guess not in the US. The show sounded pretty interesting. :(
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on August 30, 2016, 08:59:13 PM
New series of Red Dwarf is out in September.
Plenty of time for people to catch up on it if they havent seen it before!

Wow, I didn't expect anymore Red Dwarf after the "Back to Earth" mini-series, but looking for more information about the new series you mention, I found there was another series in 2012 I've never seen.  8) and there is another series next year. Great news.

I have found that some people struggle with the early seasons and if they last, get into it by the 3rd or 4th season. I loved it from the start and am ready for more.

Now to find those missing 6 episodes.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on August 30, 2016, 11:10:47 PM
Browsing through Netflix I noticed that "Line of Duty" had new episodes.

That's a truly great show!

Hm. I guess not in the US. The show sounded pretty interesting. :(

My bad  It's Hulu, not Netflix. "Line of Duty" is on Hulu, and it is an interesting show! It's like a cross between "24" and "The Shield"
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on August 31, 2016, 10:50:22 AM
New series of Red Dwarf is out in September.
Plenty of time for people to catch up on it if they havent seen it before!

Wow, I didn't expect anymore Red Dwarf after the "Back to Earth" mini-series, but looking for more information about the new series you mention, I found there was another series in 2012 I've never seen.  8) and there is another series next year. Great news.

I have found that some people struggle with the early seasons and if they last, get into it by the 3rd or 4th season. I loved it from the start and am ready for more.

Now to find those missing 6 episodes.

As a fan of most Red Dwarf, (I've even got the novels!) I found I did not like the last (2012) season much.

I'll certainly watch Season 11 and 12, but it won't be with the anticipation I used to have for the show.  More out of obligation, with a bit of hopeful optimism.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Drunken Idaho on September 01, 2016, 02:10:24 PM
Rick and Morty is wonderful
wubba-lubba-dubdub! 

It really is wonderful, shame there isn't more of it.

I've got a 100% success rate introducing that show to people who haven't seen it before. Sometimes it takes two or three episodes, but the reaction is always, "holy shit, this show is AWESOME."
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on September 01, 2016, 02:57:20 PM
Rick and Morty is wonderful
wubba-lubba-dubdub! 

It really is wonderful, shame there isn't more of it.

I've got a 100% success rate introducing that show to people who haven't seen it before. Sometimes it takes two or three episodes, but the reaction is always, "holy shit, this show is AWESOME."

I only know of one person who doesn't like it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 01, 2016, 06:12:09 PM
My wife has a good Rick and Morty-dar. I always want to introduce the show to people and she's very good at identifying whether or not someone would be into the show. The few times I've tried to show an episode or two to someone she said wouldn't like it, the people were totally disinterested.

She's more obsessed with the show than I am, but I really have a hard time understanding how someone could watch it and not thing it was brilliantly written.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on September 01, 2016, 11:54:47 PM
Still have not seen a single minute.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on September 02, 2016, 12:03:08 AM
My wife has a good Rick and Morty-dar. I always want to introduce the show to people and she's very good at identifying whether or not someone would be into the show. The few times I've tried to show an episode or two to someone she said wouldn't like it, the people were totally disinterested.

She's more obsessed with the show than I am, but I really have a hard time understanding how someone could watch it and not thing it was brilliantly written.

Agreed. Its been a long time since a cartoon has grabbed me like that show did. Its clever writing is up there with south park and the early Simpsons in my opinion.
I eagerly await the third season.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 02, 2016, 06:29:01 AM

wubba-lubba-dubdub! 

I hear you.
And we are here for you.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on September 02, 2016, 09:18:02 AM
Still have not seen a single minute.

Sample minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7HmltUWXgs
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on September 02, 2016, 11:09:14 AM
one of my favorites :)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on September 04, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
Still have not seen a single minute.

Sample minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7HmltUWXgs

(http://i.imgur.com/tZj4sC9.jpg)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on September 08, 2016, 08:59:55 AM
I know I'm late to the party, but finally watched "The Jinx".

Holy shit.

It's 6 episodes. 

It's one thing for 4.75 episodes.

Then TOTALLY transforms into something else.

Incredible.  Worth it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 08, 2016, 11:41:45 AM
Atlanta.

New Donald Glover show on FX. Dramedy about a guy trying to manage his up and coming rapper cousin.

I won't give it a rating as a show because it's only had a premier, but I'd give the pilot a 9.5/10. It was very well written (Glover wrote and directed the first ep), had some great laugh out loud moments, but the drama was also solid.

I'm excited to keep watching.

Edited: Wrote danny instead of Donald. Although I'd love a Donald Glover show about the same concept!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 08, 2016, 11:49:37 AM
So, TV: The Book is out and I just wanted to post their top 100 list here for ARGUMENTS and DISCUSSIONS:

97t. Terriers
97t. Soap
97t. How I Met Your Mother
91t. WKRP in Cincinnati
91t. Scrubs
91t. Picket Fences
91t. NewsRadio
91t. Boardwalk Empire
91t. Batman: The Animated Series
90. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
84t. Wiseguy
84t. Sports Night
84t. Six Feet Under
84t. Gilmore Girls
84t. EZ Streets
84t. Cagney & Lacey
81t. Veronica Mars
81t. King of the Hill
81t. Batman
79t. Northern Exposure
79t. The Outer Limits
76t. Futurama
76t. Friends
76t. Columbo
70t. thirtysomething
70t. The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show
70t. Justified
70t. The Jack Benny Program
70t. It's Garry Shandling's Show
70t. Frank's Place
70t. Barney Miller
66t. The Wonder Years
66t. Everybody Loves Raymond
66t. Enlightened
66t. China Beach
62t. The Rockford Files
62t. Maude
62t. Law & Order
62t. Firefly
61. Star Trek
57t. Sex and the City
57t. Gunsmoke
57t. The Defenders
57t. 24
54t. Police Squad!
54t. The Golden Girls
54t. Community
48t. St. Elsewhere
48t. The Office
48t. Miami Vice
48t. Malcolm in the Middle
48t. The Bob Newhart Show
48t. 30 Rock
45t. Rosanne
45t. Parks and Recreation
45t. ER
43t. Hannibal
43t. East Side/West Side
39t. Taxi
39t. Moonlighting
39t. The Cosby Show
39t. The Andy Griffith Show
38. Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman
34t. The West Wing
34t. South Park
34t. In Treatment
34t. Battlestar Galactica
32t. Homicide
32t. Frasier
31. NYPD Blue
29t. Friday Night Lights
29t. The Dick Van Dyke Show
28. Oz
25t. My So-Called Life
25t. Freaks and Geeks
25t. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
24. Lost
21t. Twin Peaks
21t. SpongeBob SquarePants
21t. Curb Your Enthusiasm
20. The X-Files
19. The Mary Tyler Moore Show
17t. Louie
17t. The Honeymooners
15t. The Larry Sanders Show
15t. Arrested Development
14. The Twilight Zone
13. The Shield
12. Hill Street Blues
11. M*A*S*H
10. All in the Family
9. Deadwood
8. I Love Lucy
7. Seinfeld
6. Mad Men
5. Breaking Bad
4. Cheers
3. The Wire
2. The Sopranos
1. The Simpsons
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 08, 2016, 11:51:20 AM
Quick notes:

- Brave placements for Terriers (which lasted 6 episodes and got canceled just as it was getting good), Frank's Place (a show from the 80s that basically nobody has ever heard of), and In Treatment (a show that I adored but which I've always thought I was the only one).
- How I Met Your Mother, even eking into the top 100, is a massive mehhhhhhhhhhh from me.
- GILMORE GIRLS IS RATED TOO LOW
- ALSO HOMICIDE LIFE ON THE STREETS
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on September 08, 2016, 11:53:59 AM
I feel like The Dick Van Dyke Show belongs much higher up.  Like, up to 2 or 3.  And that's me trying to be as objective as possible - I'd subjectively move plenty of other things around up or down or whatever, but that one I think is fairly objective.

ETA: DS9 but not TNG - I agree, but that's a bold choice.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 08, 2016, 12:01:33 PM
Star Trek = 61? Fail.

Should be top ten if not top five.

Mary Tyler Moore should also be top ten.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 08, 2016, 12:03:03 PM
Lost and Mad Men should be lower. Lost doesn't belong on the list, and there are lots of shows that are better than Mad Men from the last 10 years.

Boardwalk Empire should be higher. I love Justified, but Boardwalk is a significantly better show all around.

I really like that Soap is on the list. I also like that Terriers is on there.

I liked In Treatment, but I wouldn't put it at top 100.



Aside: I started watching the Vimeo shorts for High Maintenance.. I thought the premise sounded really lame (it's about the people a bike pot delivery guy sells to in NYC) but it's really really good. Each episode is a mostly self-contained short story, and they hit on some really interesting topics. It's like a really good short story book.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Friendly Angel on September 08, 2016, 12:14:09 PM
So, TV: The Book is out and I just wanted to post their top 100 list here for ARGUMENTS and DISCUSSIONS:


10. All in the Family
9. Deadwood
8. I Love Lucy
7. Seinfeld
6. Mad Men
5. Breaking Bad
4. Cheers
3. The Wire
2. The Sopranos
1. The Simpsons

OK, in the top 10, I have never seen a single episode of The Wire, Mad Men, or Deadwood; and I only saw the premier of Breaking Bad.  I'd probably really like all of them but I've only got so much TV time - suggest which one would be worth it for me.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on September 08, 2016, 12:19:54 PM
Cheers shouldn't be that high and All in the family should be higher(probably).   Deadwood is better than Madmen and both are overrated.  Arrested Development should be higher and Dick Van Dyke was much better than I Love Lucy.   The rest of the list could be nitpicked but why.  Also, there's a certain absurdity in comparing Deadwood to I Love Lucy.  Like trying to rate a photograph as better or worse than a statue. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 08, 2016, 12:24:41 PM
So, TV: The Book is out and I just wanted to post their top 100 list here for ARGUMENTS and DISCUSSIONS:


10. All in the Family
9. Deadwood
8. I Love Lucy
7. Seinfeld
6. Mad Men
5. Breaking Bad
4. Cheers
3. The Wire
2. The Sopranos
1. The Simpsons

OK, in the top 10, I have never seen a single episode of The Wire, Mad Men, or Deadwood; and I only saw the premier of Breaking Bad.  I'd probably really like all of them but I've only got so much TV time - suggest which one would be worth it for me.

If I were ordering those shows in terms of which ones take priority for watching, I'd probably say do them more or less chronologically. Watch The Wire first, then Deadwood, then Breaking Bad and then Mad Men.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 08, 2016, 12:26:07 PM
I think my favorite was Spongebob and Twin Peaks. I will say that a very strong case could be made for ILL and Seinfeld to some degree not just for their humor content but for what they did to/for television since they appeared. Clearly both shows were very groundbreaking. Dick Van Dyke was as well and was arguably better on a show to show basis but, well, if you only included shows that were funnier/better written/etc. without any attention paid to the era they were written in, I feel like you'd have 95 shows created in the last 15 years on the list. The list is already top-heavy (as well it should be: LCD entertainment kept a lot of not very good shows on the air for far too long).

I personally need to dig into The Wire, Mad Men, and The Sopranos at some point. I enjoyed all of those shows (and I adore David Simon's #32 ranked show here, Homicide) but just for whatever reason never sank my teeth into them. All in the Family was a great show but I wonder if we feel it should be ranked higher in part because its values *didn't* get reflected in later TV shows. AITF is still very, very edgy even today, and that's in large part because basically all of the networks said "nope, uh uh, we are not touching this with a 10 foot pole" every time a show that came later attempted to capture that same edge.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 08, 2016, 12:27:52 PM
Cheers shouldn't be that high and All in the family should be higher(probably).   Deadwood is better than Madmen and both are overrated.  Arrested Development should be higher and Dick Van Dyke was much better than I Love Lucy.   The rest of the list could be nitpicked but why.  Also, there's a certain absurdity in comparing Deadwood to I Love Lucy.  Like trying to rate a photograph as better or worse than a statue.

I agree with all of this, including that it's pretty absurd, except for that Deadwood is overrated. I think it was a masterwork who's only major flaw was that it was cancelled before the story could come to a solid end. Also that David Milch followed it up with the show that would be top 10 in a list of worst TV shows of all time (John from Cincinnati).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 08, 2016, 12:31:08 PM
It reminds me a *lot* of the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract, which also does a lot of absurd things (like trying to rank Babe Ruth vs Barry Bonds vs Sandy Koufax). The ranking may not work when comparing David Lynch to Spongebob but I think it works at least fairly well when comparing one dramedy to another or at least serves as a jumping off point when discussing whether or not you think Show From the 70s A ought to be ranked ahead of Show From The 90s B.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on September 08, 2016, 12:41:24 PM
I pretty much agree with everything Johny just wrote.  Especially the bit about the influence of a show.  I may have been too hasty regarding Dick Van Dyke vs ILL on that score. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 08, 2016, 01:35:57 PM
Terriers ran for 2 seasons, not 6 episodes.
And it was GLORIOUS.

Hanibal is overwritten and overrated in my opinion.
Starting credits had a culinary consultant listed but they seemingly didnt bother googling what a psychiatrist does. That says it all for me.

Batman: TAS- Of course I agree.

Police Squad. One of the greatest sitcoms of all time.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on September 08, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
Police Squad. One of the greatest sitcoms of all time.

Just the freeze frame for the closing credits was worth a spot on the list.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 08, 2016, 01:41:01 PM
Terriers ran for 2 seasons, not 6 episodes.
And it was GLORIOUS.
WE WERE BOTH WRONG although since you're a UKer I can understand why you'd think that 13 episodes would be 2 seasons' worth of television (it was canceled after a half season, seasons generally running around 23 eps). I agree that it was a fantastic show though. Although man, the advertising for it was bad.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Terriers_(TV_series)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 08, 2016, 01:53:31 PM
Shit! You are correct!
Damn. I loved that show.
You are right though, terrible marketing.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on September 08, 2016, 06:05:50 PM
OK, in the top 10, I have never seen a single episode of The Wire, Mad Men, or Deadwood; and I only saw the premier of Breaking Bad.  I'd probably really like all of them but I've only got so much TV time - suggest which one would be worth it for me.

What do you like most in TV shows?

Mad Men - 1950s men and women making bad life choices.  Everyone looks great.  Lots of very articulate people.

The Wire - Baltimore crime reporter dumps life experience into Baltimore crime show.  Bonus points if you like cop shows or explorations of social problems.

Deadwood - I didn't get through season 1.  Seems like you need to life gruffness and/or westerns.  Also, lots of swearing.

Breaking Bad  -  Mr. Wizard slowly unwinds into Scarface.  Bad guy's the main character.  No good guy for counterbalance.


Hanibal is overwritten and overrated in my opinion.

Yeah, I thought it was pretentious torture porn.  They were selling it reasonably well in season 1 but I started skimming episodes in season 2 and didn't even finish season 3.  By the end, it felt goofy and bordering on self-parody.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 08, 2016, 06:11:09 PM
The guy who made Hannibal made two shows that desperately deserve to be on the top 100 list: Pushing Daisies and Dead Like Me.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on September 08, 2016, 06:41:37 PM
The guy who made Hannibal made two shows that desperately deserve to be on the top 100 list: Pushing Daisies and Dead Like Me.

Also Brian Fuler made Wonderfalls which is awesome, and wrote for Heroes when it was good.  He also made two of the best pilots I have ever seen:  The Amazong Acrew On Head and Mockingbird Lane.    And he is doing the new Trek!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 08, 2016, 06:42:32 PM

Deadwood - I didn't get through season 1.  Seems like you need to life gruffness and/or westerns.  Also, lots of swearing.



They did at least one episode in complete iambic pentameter for the dialog, and used it throughout. It's not that difficult when you can arbitrarily throw in a one, two, three or four syllable curse word anywhere in a sentence to get the count right.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 08, 2016, 09:01:09 PM
So speaking of shows that deserve to be on that top 100 list but aren't, I recently discovered a trove of the 2000-2004 dramedy produced by Worldwide Pants called Ed. Does anyone else remember this show? It stars Tom Cavanaugh as a lawyer who leaves a life in New York City to chase after a high school crush in a small town... yeah, actually, it's "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" only without singing and starring a male in the lead role. It's also *very* Gilmore Girls-y, by which I mean it doesn't have the rapid-fire "Bringing Up Baby" style dialog (I'm pretty sure that only Amy Sherman-Palladino can pull that off, maybe also Aaron Sorkin) but it has a very quirky town, a supporting character who, if the shows didn't debut within a could weeks of each other, I would swear was a copy of the Melissa McCarthy character on GG, and Michael Ian Scott kinda sorta inhabiting the Kirk role. There are also neat roles for Justin Long, Julie Bowen (who plays Ed's crush), and Daryl "Chill" Mitchell (who was hilarious on "The John Laroquette Show" but then, in between that show and this one, got into a motorcycle accident and was paralyzed from the waist down).

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGe5DpuN1CYzx7JEHcn_9I8qFbCY8hUzy

The above playlist is pretty much the only place I've ever been able to find this show in the past 15 years save the occasional short run of syndication on some obscure cable channel (I think it's playing on UP right now, a station which, ironically, seems to be mega-hyping Gilmore Girls at the moment). It's obviously someone copying VHS tapes onto YouTube so the video is horrible and then on top of that there is a *ton* of music that it appears the uploader has removed in order to avoid automated copyright strikes. The music FWIW (there is a great deal of contemporary music in this show, including the theme song, "Next Year" by the Foo Fighters) is actually what kept it from getting released onto DVD or Netflix for years, at least up to about 2012 or so. *Apparently* that's since been worked out but now everything's being held up by the fact that the show is owned by Worldwide Pants (Dave Letterman's production company) and, somehow, NBC (which picked up the show after CBS passed on it). They don't seem to be able to agree on everything and so, 16 years in, this show is still just barely available on the Internet.

Given that Gilmore Girls is a. ranked 84th, b. ranked about 30 spots too low (at least), and c. approximately as good as this show (maybe GG is just a touch better, primarily because it got to have a truly epic run of seasons from 4-6 while Ed was wrapping up and then off the air), yeah... I have to now hipsterily say that this show is the awesome thing that nobody's ever heard of.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 08, 2016, 09:22:53 PM

... Julie Bowen ...


"Modern Family" is a lot better and funnier than several shows on that list. Julie Bowen is the bomb.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on September 08, 2016, 09:40:29 PM
While I'll agree that most of the best TV is made in the US, if that list was extended to the world there would/should be 30+ British shows in the top 100.

Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Luther, Monty Python's Flying Circus, The Avengers just to name a few. IMO  8)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on September 08, 2016, 10:17:43 PM
Lost and Mad Men should be lower. Lost doesn't belong on the list

I dunno, it's a great example in how to write suspense / keep people tuning in to what is ultimately fuckin' nothing.

people seem to think Twin Peaks did a great job at that. I was just horribly bored by it.

While I'll agree that most of the best TV is made in the US, if that list was extended to the world there would/should be 30+ British shows in the top 100.

Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Luther, Monty Python's Flying Circus, The Avengers just to name a few. IMO  8)

Utopia, Black Mirror, Inbetweeners :)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 09, 2016, 06:52:22 AM
I remember Ed.
I wouldnt put it in a top 100 but it was pretty easy watching. Wasnt Justin Long in it?

Bored To Death deserves to be on that list for sure. The whole thing is a celebration of writing. Watching that show makes me feel like I must know what its like to enjoy poetry.
But its also hilarious.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on September 09, 2016, 08:30:19 AM
Whatever one's opinion of Lost, I think the show did demonstrate to network television that a complex series with epic length story arc can appeal to the masses.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on September 09, 2016, 09:14:12 AM
While I'll agree that most of the best TV is made in the US, if that list was extended to the world there would/should be 30+ British shows in the top 100.

Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Luther, Monty Python's Flying Circus, The Avengers just to name a few. IMO  8)

Interesting to note that except for Luther, all the shows you list are 30+ years old.  (Unless you're counting the Blackadder special in 2000.)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 09, 2016, 09:27:22 AM
Yeah, they specifically excluded foreign tv, not because its unworthy but because most Americans won't have heard of it (and any influence a lot of shows had outside of MPFC and Fawlty Towers is secondary, really) and they have to draw the line somewhere. I'd like to see a UK version of this ranking.

I read a bit of the book last night and yeah, it is exactly the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract for television. It's kind of great.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 09, 2016, 09:40:05 AM
I dont think you would get 100 UK shows worth putting on such a list. When they are good they are good but the volume is so low.

As for Lost...I kind of thought that 24 had already proved that concept? That was a series that really came into its own in the box set era.
I remember avoiding episodes on tv like the plague so I could buy the box set and marathon the whole thing. I think thats what started my jonesing for compelling series.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 09, 2016, 10:41:54 AM
I dont think you would get 100 UK shows worth putting on such a list. When they are good they are good but the volume is so low.

As for Lost...I kind of thought that 24 had already proved that concept? That was a series that really came into its own in the box set era.
I remember avoiding episodes on tv like the plague so I could buy the box set and marathon the whole thing. I think thats what started my jonesing for compelling series.
What I'd do if I were a UKer is I'd still include the US shows but I'd go in and include the UK ones too. Or if you really wanted to go UK-only, lop it down to 50 or 25. Another issue I have with comparing UK sitcoms and dramas with their US counterparts is that the UK shows tend to be waaaay shorter than US ones, for better or for worse. It means that they tend to be quite a bit more taut than American shows (the ones that "made it", anyway - Terriers and My So-Called Life both hold up pretty well against UK TV IMO) but the flip side is that good American shows often have a long, often convoluted arc that you don't ever really see in UK media. That, too, can get damn annoying sometimes (the "will they/won't they" stuff that seems to be a staple of romantic sitcoms gets reeeeeeeally annoying sometimes, and while the UK does it too, they often only have 12 episodes to resolve it, as with the UK Office) but it also makes for an awful lot of compelling TV when done right (the development of the characters on Parks and Rec, for instance, is a thing you never would have gotten to see if it was based in Skipton, Yorkshire rather than Pawnee, Indiana).

So yeah, I'm not trying to make any claims about UK TV but I'd like to see the list just be... separate, I guess.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on September 09, 2016, 10:47:41 AM
So yeah, I'm not trying to make any claims about UK TV but I'd like to see the list just be... separate, I guess.

Yup, separate but equal, just like you always keep saying.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 09, 2016, 10:52:04 AM
So yeah, I'm not trying to make any claims about UK TV but I'd like to see the list just be... separate, I guess.

Yup, separate but equal, just like you always keep saying.
Would you like to see a Britcom marry your daughter?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 09, 2016, 11:19:23 AM
So yeah, I'm not trying to make any claims about UK TV but I'd like to see the list just be... separate, I guess.

Yup, separate but equal, just like you always keep saying.
Would you like to see a Britcom marry your daughter?

Should we start a new thread? Are there 100 British TV Series worthy of a top 100 list? I think there probably are.

In no particular order, here's a few off the top of my head:

The Office
House of Cards
I, Claudius
Happy Valley
Pop Idol Not a scripted series, so not on the list
Upstairs Downstairs
Downton Abbey
Foyles War
Line of Duty
Poldark
Horatio Hornblower
Extras
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 09, 2016, 11:22:00 AM
Just noticed "Walking Dead" isn't on the list. Fail.

And where's "Game of Thrones"?

So, TV: The Book is out and I just wanted to post their top 100 list here for ARGUMENTS and DISCUSSIONS:

97t. Terriers
97t. Soap
97t. How I Met Your Mother
91t. WKRP in Cincinnati
91t. Scrubs
91t. Picket Fences
91t. NewsRadio
91t. Boardwalk Empire
91t. Batman: The Animated Series
90. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
84t. Wiseguy
84t. Sports Night
84t. Six Feet Under
84t. Gilmore Girls
84t. EZ Streets
84t. Cagney & Lacey
81t. Veronica Mars
81t. King of the Hill
81t. Batman
79t. Northern Exposure
79t. The Outer Limits
76t. Futurama
76t. Friends
76t. Columbo
70t. thirtysomething
70t. The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show
70t. Justified
70t. The Jack Benny Program
70t. It's Garry Shandling's Show
70t. Frank's Place
70t. Barney Miller
66t. The Wonder Years
66t. Everybody Loves Raymond
66t. Enlightened
66t. China Beach
62t. The Rockford Files
62t. Maude
62t. Law & Order
62t. Firefly
61. Star Trek
57t. Sex and the City
57t. Gunsmoke
57t. The Defenders
57t. 24
54t. Police Squad!
54t. The Golden Girls
54t. Community
48t. St. Elsewhere
48t. The Office
48t. Miami Vice
48t. Malcolm in the Middle
48t. The Bob Newhart Show
48t. 30 Rock
45t. Rosanne
45t. Parks and Recreation
45t. ER
43t. Hannibal
43t. East Side/West Side
39t. Taxi
39t. Moonlighting
39t. The Cosby Show
39t. The Andy Griffith Show
38. Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman
34t. The West Wing
34t. South Park
34t. In Treatment
34t. Battlestar Galactica
32t. Homicide
32t. Frasier
31. NYPD Blue
29t. Friday Night Lights
29t. The Dick Van Dyke Show
28. Oz
25t. My So-Called Life
25t. Freaks and Geeks
25t. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
24. Lost
21t. Twin Peaks
21t. SpongeBob SquarePants
21t. Curb Your Enthusiasm
20. The X-Files
19. The Mary Tyler Moore Show
17t. Louie
17t. The Honeymooners
15t. The Larry Sanders Show
15t. Arrested Development
14. The Twilight Zone
13. The Shield
12. Hill Street Blues
11. M*A*S*H
10. All in the Family
9. Deadwood
8. I Love Lucy
7. Seinfeld
6. Mad Men
5. Breaking Bad
4. Cheers
3. The Wire
2. The Sopranos
1. The Simpsons
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 09, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
They specifically excluded shows that are not narrative fiction, so no Pop Idol. Otherwise, I'd add to your list...

Good Neighbors
Red Dwarf
Blackadder
Monty Python
Are You Being Served?
Spaced
The In-Betweeners
Life On Mars
Black Books (wasn't a huge fan of it because it has a laugh track but I can see where I'd probably have loved it if I watched it when it came out)

Otherwise, regarding Walking Dead (and I can think of a few other shows, like Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Archer, maybe Brooklyn 99), they're only going with TV shows that have (basically) ended (I say basically because there's technically a new "season" of Gilmore Girls coming out after Thanksgiving, for instance, and there may still be a 5th season of Arrested Development perhaps). The problem with grading shows that are still on the air is that they can get really, really awful sometimes and I think you can't just ignore 5 bad seasons at the end (which is probably why Scrubs barely eked into the list instead of being a top 60ish show).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on September 09, 2016, 11:28:09 AM
Brit TV,
What about:

Luther
Broadchurch
Hinterland?

Black Adder
The IT Crowd
Blacks Books?  Definitely if it didn't have the laugh track.

Nostalgia mostly
All Creatures Great and Small
Red Dwarf
Dr Who
oh yeah Good Neighbors
 and I Claudius was great in the 80s but nearly unwatchable these days.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 09, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
Otherwise, regarding Walking Dead (and I can think of a few other shows, like Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, Archer, maybe Brooklyn 99), they're only going with TV shows that have (basically) ended (I say basically because there's technically a new "season" of Gilmore Girls coming out after Thanksgiving, for instance, and there may still be a 5th season of Arrested Development perhaps). The problem with grading shows that are still on the air is that they can get really, really awful sometimes and I think you can't just ignore 5 bad seasons at the end (which is probably why Scrubs barely eked into the list instead of being a top 60ish show).

That's what I thought at first then I looked again:

34t. South Park
21t. SpongeBob SquarePants
17t. Louie
1. The Simpsons
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on September 09, 2016, 11:38:56 AM
When considering quality, depth and breadth, cultural impact and sheer volume, it IS tough to argue with The Simpsons.  (If you haven't watched for a while, give it a go.  It's still good.  It has never returned to the astronomical heights that it used to occupy, but still better than many, many, many, TV "comedies".)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on September 09, 2016, 11:40:59 AM
When considering quality, depth and breadth, cultural impact and sheer volume, it IS tough to argue with The Simpsons.  (If you haven't watched for a while, give it a go.  It's still good.  It has never returned to the astronomical heights that it used to occupy, but still better than many, many, many, TV "comedies".)

Yeah, you could put S1-12 in slot 1, and then S13-present in slot 65 or so.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on September 09, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
When considering quality, depth and breadth, cultural impact and sheer volume, it IS tough to argue with The Simpsons.  (If you haven't watched for a while, give it a go.  It's still good.  It has never returned to the astronomical heights that it used to occupy, but still better than many, many, many, TV "comedies".)

Yeah, you could put S1-12 in slot 1, and then S13-present in slot 65 or so.

Well, the magic formula for that show is that it makes fun of America.  We Americans are an endless, evergreen source of parody.  Self and otherwise....
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 09, 2016, 11:51:57 AM


Should we start a new thread? Are there 100 British TV Series worthy of a top 100 list? I think there probably are.

In no particular order, here's a few off the top of my head:

The Office
House of Cards
I, Claudius
Happy Valley
Pop Idol Not a scripted series, so not on the list
Upstairs Downstairs
Downton Abbey
Foyles War
Line of Duty
Poldark
Horatio Hornblower
Extras

Brit TV,
What about:

Luther
Broadchurch
Hinterland?

Black Adder
The IT Crowd
Blacks Books?  Definitely if it didn't have the laugh track.

Nostalgia mostly
All Creatures Great and Small
Red Dwarf
Dr Who
oh yeah Good Neighbors
 and I Claudius was great in the 80s but nearly unwatchable these days.

Keeping up Appearances
Absolutely Fabulous
Peep Show
Black Mirror
Sherlock
Skins
An Idiot Abroad
Any of Louis Theroux's documentary series

There are a ton more I can't quite come up with...

Here's a complete list. We could easily get to 50 great shows, possibly even 100:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_television_programmes
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 09, 2016, 11:52:45 AM
They made specific exceptions to South Park and The Simpsons because those shows have been on for almost 30 and 20 years respectively. At this point there's enough of an established body of work that, even if they made 10 years of crap, you could say you know what you're getting. Spongebob has also been on for a long time. Louie is on extended hiatus and is basically in the same situation as Arrested Development at this point in time.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 09, 2016, 12:03:31 PM
I see some of mine for the UK category violated the rules (Idiot Abroad and Louis Theroux for being "non-scripted", and Sherlock, Black Mirror, and Peep Show for still being on the air with new seasons.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Friendly Angel on September 09, 2016, 12:20:24 PM
I remember avoiding episodes on tv like the plague so I could buy the box set and marathon the whole thing. I think thats what started my jonesing for compelling series.

Several of those legendary shows were HBO or SHO only and a lot of the impact came from people discussing them in real time over the water cooler.  I heard people talking about The Sopranos for years before I saw a single episode.  Then it showed up on Netflix and I binge watched it so I got all of the compelling drama, character development, and story-telling stuff, but missed the cultural phenomenon stuff; and now no one wants to talk about it anymore.  I think The Wire would be the same way but I'm going to do it anyway.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 09, 2016, 12:25:45 PM
They made specific exceptions to South Park and The Simpsons because those shows have been on for almost 30 and 20 years respectively. At this point there's enough of an established body of work that, even if they made 10 years of crap, you could say you know what you're getting. Spongebob has also been on for a long time. Louie is on extended hiatus and is basically in the same situation as Arrested Development at this point in time.

Louie's most recent new episode aired last year.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 09, 2016, 12:41:21 PM
They made specific exceptions to South Park and The Simpsons because those shows have been on for almost 30 and 20 years respectively. At this point there's enough of an established body of work that, even if they made 10 years of crap, you could say you know what you're getting. Spongebob has also been on for a long time. Louie is on extended hiatus and is basically in the same situation as Arrested Development at this point in time.

Louie's most recent new episode aired last year.
Yes, and it was also specifically noted in the book as being currently on hiatus with no timetable to return.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 09, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
They made specific exceptions to South Park and The Simpsons because those shows have been on for almost 30 and 20 years respectively. At this point there's enough of an established body of work that, even if they made 10 years of crap, you could say you know what you're getting. Spongebob has also been on for a long time. Louie is on extended hiatus and is basically in the same situation as Arrested Development at this point in time.

Louie's most recent new episode aired last year.
Yes, and it was also specifically noted in the book as being currently on hiatus with no timetable to return.

Can you remind us the title of the book? It might be worth buying (but not worth going back in the thread to find it!)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 09, 2016, 01:39:38 PM
TV: The Book
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on September 09, 2016, 08:15:48 PM


Should we start a new thread? Are there 100 British TV Series worthy of a top 100 list? I think there probably are.

In no particular order, here's a few off the top of my head:

The Office
House of Cards
I, Claudius
Happy Valley
Pop Idol Not a scripted series, so not on the list
Upstairs Downstairs
Downton Abbey
Foyles War
Line of Duty
Poldark
Horatio Hornblower
Extras

Brit TV,
What about:

Luther
Broadchurch
Hinterland?

Black Adder
The IT Crowd
Blacks Books?  Definitely if it didn't have the laugh track.

Nostalgia mostly
All Creatures Great and Small
Red Dwarf
Dr Who
oh yeah Good Neighbors
 and I Claudius was great in the 80s but nearly unwatchable these days.

Keeping up Appearances
Absolutely Fabulous
Peep Show
Black Mirror
Sherlock
Skins
An Idiot Abroad
Any of Louis Theroux's documentary series

There are a ton more I can't quite come up with...

Here's a complete list. We could easily get to 50 great shows, possibly even 100:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_television_programmes

Life 's Too Short
Detectorists
The Prisoner
Misfits
Blake's 7
Coupling
Minder
The Young Ones
Little Britain
Survivors (original series)
Sherlock

There would easily be 100.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 09, 2016, 08:28:43 PM
TV: The Book

Thanks!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 09, 2016, 08:35:03 PM
I would assert that you could list 100 UK shows but the quality of most of the shows on the list would be average at best.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 09, 2016, 08:47:33 PM

Keeping up Appearances
Absolutely Fabulous
Peep Show
Black Mirror
Sherlock
Skins
An Idiot Abroad
Any of Louis Theroux's documentary series

There are a ton more I can't quite come up with...

Here's a complete list. We could easily get to 50 great shows, possibly even 100:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_television_programmes

If you're going to include "Keeping up Appearances," then "Benny Hill" has to make the list.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 09, 2016, 09:23:12 PM
I would assert that you could list 100 UK shows but the quality of most of the shows on the list would be average at best.

You might be right. But some of these are pretty good. (Although the wiki page has missed a few really good ones, or maybe they had different titles in the UK than the US?)

Some of my personal favorites in bold.
58 Jolly good TV shows

Absolutely Fabulous  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolutely_Fabulous
Absolute Power (comedy)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Power_(comedy)
The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Sherlock_Holmes
Agatha Christie's Poirot  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie%27s_Poirot
Agatha Christie's Partners in Crime  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie%27s_Partners_in_Crime
All Creatures Great and Small (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Creatures_Great_and_Small_(TV_series)
Are You Being Served?  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Are_You_Being_Served%3F
The Avengers (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_(TV_series)
As Time Goes By (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Time_Goes_By_(TV_series)
Band of Brothers (They're claiming this as US (miniseries)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Brothers_(miniseries)
Blackadder  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackadder
Bleak House (2005 TV serial)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleak_House_(2005_TV_serial)
Broadchurch  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadchurch
Cadfael  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadfael
Call the Midwife  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_the_Midwife
Cracker (UK TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(UK_TV_series)
DCI Banks  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCI_Banks
Doctor Who  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who
Downton Abbey  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downton_Abbey
Edward & Mrs. Simpson  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_%26_Mrs._Simpson
Endeavour (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavour_(TV_series)
Fawlty Towers  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawlty_Towers
The First Churchills  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Churchills
The Forsyte Saga (2002 miniseries)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forsyte_Saga_(2002_miniseries)
Foyle's War  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foyle%27s_War
Game of Thrones  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones
The Gentle Touch  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gentle_Touch
Hamish Macbeth (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamish_Macbeth_(TV_series)
Hope and Glory (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_and_Glory_(TV_series)
House of Cards (UK TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(UK_TV_series)
I, Claudius (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Claudius_(TV_series)
Inspector George Gently  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_George_Gently
Inspector Lewis  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_Lewis
The Inspector Lynley Mysteries  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inspector_Lynley_Mysteries
Inspector Morse (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_Morse_(TV_series)
Island at War  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_at_War
Life on Mars (UK TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars_(UK_TV_series)
Luther (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_(TV_series)
Max Headroom (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(TV_series)
Merlin (2008 TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlin_(2008_TV_series)
Mr Selfridge  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Selfridge
Mr. Bean  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Bean
Orphan Black  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_Black
Poldark (1975 TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poldark_(1975_TV_series)
Poldark (2015 TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poldark_(2015_TV_series)
Pride and Prejudice (1995 TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_Prejudice_(1995_TV_series)
Prime Suspect  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Suspect
The Prisoner  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner
Queer as Folk (UK TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_as_Folk_(UK_TV_series)
Ripper Street  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripper_Street
Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_in_the_22nd_Century
The Singing Detective  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singing_Detective
Slinger's Day  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slinger%27s_Day
Solo (TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_(TV_series)
Upstairs, Downstairs (1971 TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstairs,_Downstairs_(1971_TV_series)
Wings (BBC TV series)  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wings_(BBC_TV_series)
Yes Minister  -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister


Sure are a lot of murder mysteries for a small country with few guns and a low actual murder rate!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on September 09, 2016, 09:32:38 PM
I would assert that you could list 100 UK shows but the quality of most of the shows on the list would be average at best.

Agreed, but at least 30 would be good enough to make the US/Canadian Top 100 that has been listed on this thread.

There would be no Australian or NZ shows that would make the list. We make atrocious TV  ;)

Though I did like the show "The Kettering Incident" that was made here is Tassie. Not great, but the best thing made in this state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kettering_Incident
Quote
Anna Macy left Kettering when she was just 14, shortly after her best friend, Gillian Baxter, mysteriously disappeared. The two girls had been playing in the forbidden forests outside Kettering when they saw strange lights in the sky. Eight hours later, Anna was found alone, terrified and covered in blood.
Fifteen years later, Anna returns to find the town struggling to survive. The forests have been marked for logging and the town is on edge following violent clashes between environmentalists and the local loggers. Anna's reappearance causes a stir when another girl suddenly disappears, prompting Anna to discover what really happened the night Gillian disappeared, and in doing so, uncovers secrets that threaten the future of Kettering.
It is on in the US later this month and the UK soon. It's worth checking out. It is Season 1 of a 3 Season mystery.
I found that out after watching the last episode and getting pissed that it ended with the mystery not solved. I thought it was a mini-series
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on September 10, 2016, 05:00:28 AM
Agreed, but at least 30 would be good enough to make the US/Canadian Top 100 that has been listed on this thread.

There would be no Australian or NZ shows that would make the list. We make atrocious TV  ;)

you have to be fair and consider it on a per capita basis. _all things being equal_ the US should be able to churn out 13 shows as good as 1 Aussie show; 72 shows as good as one Kiwi one.
if a top 100 had 72 US shows, 13 Aussies, 1 Kiwi, and 5 British shows, well, it wouldn't add up to 100, but the ratio would be what you'd expect for an even distribution of quality/talent/etc.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on September 10, 2016, 05:30:55 AM
Agreed, but at least 30 would be good enough to make the US/Canadian Top 100 that has been listed on this thread.

There would be no Australian or NZ shows that would make the list. We make atrocious TV  ;)

you have to be fair and consider it on a per capita basis. _all things being equal_ the US should be able to churn out 13 shows as good as 1 Aussie show; 72 shows as good as one Kiwi one.
if a top 100 had 72 US shows, 13 Aussies, 1 Kiwi, and 5 British shows, well, it wouldn't add up to 100, but the ratio would be what you'd expect for an even distribution of quality/talent/etc.

I assume you have the British and Aussie numbers reversed (British 13, Aussies 5). I would expect in a World Top 100 TV Shows there would be no Aussie or Kiwi shows. There just isn't the same ratio of money spent of TV drama here, which is reflected in the quality and talent.
We have the talent, but they are mostly working in the US or Britain chasing the big money.

In My Top 100 I would have none from this side of the world. I'd have mostly US, British and Canadian.
But I would have several continental European shows. Like Les Revenants (The Returned) from France, Forbrydelsen (The Killing) from Denmark and Bron (or Broen) (The Bridge) from Sweden/Denmark.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on September 10, 2016, 05:35:00 AM
I assume you have the British and Aussie numbers reversed

oops.
not reversed, just entirely wrongness.
I'm a spaz with numbers. they should be even lower if we're talking about fewer than 100 US shows.
what I mean to say is
if we have a top 100 from the US. to have shows of the same calibre, if there was no disparity in the industry, the list to expect from Australia would be the top 7 or 8, top 1 or 2 from NZ, and top 20 from UK. a Top 100 from Australia should look as dubious/woeful as a top 1,300 from USA.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 10, 2016, 10:18:27 AM
Agreed, but at least 30 would be good enough to make the US/Canadian Top 100 that has been listed on this thread.

There would be no Australian or NZ shows that would make the list. We make atrocious TV  ;)

you have to be fair and consider it on a per capita basis. _all things being equal_ the US should be able to churn out 13 shows as good as 1 Aussie show; 72 shows as good as one Kiwi one.
if a top 100 had 72 US shows, 13 Aussies, 1 Kiwi, and 5 British shows, well, it wouldn't add up to 100, but the ratio would be what you'd expect for an even distribution of quality/talent/etc.

Hmmm.... Aussies made some of the best movies ever. Best. Movies Ever.

Was "Top of the Lake" an NZ series? That would make my list. What about "Flight of the Concords"?

Also, we found "Homicide Squad" on Netflix, enjoyed that more than some of the top 100 on the US list.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on September 10, 2016, 02:22:40 PM
Flight of the Conchords would be listed as a US TV show since it was produced by (I think) HBO, even if it does star 2 New Zealanders. On the other hand, no way I'd put this in the top 100 but Aussieland did produce Danger 5, which gets a lot of points for... weirdness.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 10, 2016, 02:33:25 PM
UK is claiming credit for Extras, and Game of Thrones too, both HBO productions.

Multinational corporations.

I liked flight better than a lot of the shows on that list


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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 10, 2016, 02:38:42 PM
I think credit has to go to the network that actually funded a show to have it run for their audience.
In that respect, I would call Father Ted a British production.
Like wise I agree that GoT is an american show, especially given that GRRM is a cowboy or some such.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 10, 2016, 08:21:21 PM
Do they not have HBO  in Britian? What channel does it run on? 

There are a number of shows that have international financing with the broadcast rights set before production begins.

It's not that simple


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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 10, 2016, 08:50:53 PM
It runs on Sky over here.
Im not trying to make a legal definition here so Im not too bothered about a few slipping through the cracks. Its fairly simple in most cases.
Yes. Financing may be international but you know the main audience it is being aimed at or will be shown to first.

But even if you say that its up in the air for things like GoT then you still cant really claim it as a British show. If its not American its a citizen of the world.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on September 10, 2016, 09:14:21 PM
Where the money comes from is totally irrelevant. A show is defined by where it's made, the stars, the content, and, in some cases, it's intended audience.

Extras is a British show, Battlestar Galactica is a Canadian show. GOT is a global show (In feel, stars and filming locations it's definitely more European than US)

Danger 5? You'd have trouble finding Aussies who have heard of it. I only know it from hearing about it on several US Podcasts. I've never seen it or heard about it here.
SBS is the last place you would put a show on, in Australia, if you want anyone to see it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on September 10, 2016, 10:18:16 PM
Home and Away, FTW.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on September 10, 2016, 11:10:54 PM
Home and Away, FTW.

At least it's not Neighbours  ;)

The only good thing I could say about those 2 shows is the amount of talent (for good and bad) that has come out of those 2 shows.
Russell Crowe, Heath Ledger, Chris Hemsworth, Guy Pearce, Margot Robbie (Harley Quinn), Julian McMahon, Naomi Watts, Kylie Minogue, Delta Goodrem, Natalie Imbruglia

This is just a small sample. Dozens more have gone on to starring roles in TV and Movies.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 11, 2016, 06:12:30 AM
The reason I think the money is important is because in the case of Father Ted, no Irish channel would take a chance on it, so they shopped it to the UK and thats where it got picked up.
Someone must say- Yes. Our audience will respond to this.
And then that becomes who it is made for.
Also, the money does greatly influence creative decisions.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on September 19, 2016, 12:49:56 AM
Just watched the pilot of Atlanta, very good.  Drama/comedy. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on September 19, 2016, 10:05:43 AM
Started with season 2 of Happy Valley. Great like Season 1. Like how they picked up from last season and found new ways to complicate stuff.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on September 22, 2016, 12:07:51 PM
Fleabag

Amazon prime show (it's a British show, so not purely Amazon Prime I don't think). Main character only identified as "fleabag" regularly breaks the fourth wall. It's basically just a show about fleabag who is sort of an awful person. It's very funny, while also having a very sad undertone. Olivia Coleman is in it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on September 22, 2016, 12:17:05 PM
Am I the only one annoyed that Amazon and Netflix both brand British shows as Amazon/Netflix originals?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 22, 2016, 12:25:30 PM
Are they not supposed to pay people in different countries to make content? The internet is a thing in like...at least 5 countries. So it makes sense that online content would be international.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on September 22, 2016, 12:32:15 PM
Are they not supposed to pay people in different countries to make content? The internet is a thing in like...at least 5 countries. So it makes sense that online content would be international.
It annoys because they're usually originally broadcast by the BBC or Channel 4 or what not but for some reason, netlix and amazon feel the need to slap "____ original" like Americans will think Amazon/Netflix produced them or something?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on September 22, 2016, 01:26:22 PM
Are they not supposed to pay people in different countries to make content? The internet is a thing in like...at least 5 countries. So it makes sense that online content would be international.
It annoys because they're usually originally broadcast by the BBC or Channel 4 or what not but for some reason, netlix and amazon feel the need to slap "____ original" like Americans will think Amazon/Netflix produced them or something?

I think they do that when they pay a share of production costs up front in exchange for exclusive rights in certain areas.

I see no problem with that.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on September 22, 2016, 01:32:42 PM
I could easily be wrong but....it seems like they do it with shows they've just bought aswell.  Fleabag seems to be a entirely a BBC production. 

If I'm wrong and they only do it when they've paid some up front production cost, I have no problem with it. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on September 28, 2016, 02:34:41 PM
So, I've always found the show "Portlandia" amusing.

I've probably watched about 20-25 episodes total of the first five seasons.

An entertaining diversion, but nothing I would go out of my way to see.

Well, that was until season six. 

Holy shit.  My wife and I binge watched the first seven episodes last night.  It is hitting it's stride on a level I have not previously experienced.  Portlandia Season 6.  Holy shit!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on September 30, 2016, 07:30:43 AM
Ok, so not a tv show, but The Big Lez Show is a brilliant youtube series, made in MS Paint by three highschool students.
Its best described as South Park meets King of the Hill?
Its about a fat aussie bloke in a tank top called Lez who is basically just a prick to everyone but the plot goes to pretty bizarre and amazing places!
I highly recommend it if you dont mind foul language and bizarre plot.
https://youtu.be/N1n0r3UnpeY
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: MikeHz on September 30, 2016, 09:43:58 PM
Caught Designated Survivor last night, and found it better than expected.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on October 21, 2016, 12:02:17 PM
Hooked after the first episode of Glitch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitch_(TV_series)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: arthwollipot on October 21, 2016, 06:38:24 PM
I've been enjoying Brooklyn Nine-Nine. It was recommended to me by saying that it was basically like Scrubs in a police station instead of a hospital. It isn't - Scrubs has a finer current of absurdity than this does - but it's still clever and funny. Good show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 23, 2016, 12:00:44 PM
I think it's closer to Parks and Rec for cops, which makes sense given they were created by the same guy.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 24, 2016, 10:51:40 AM
Brooklyn 99 should really be terrible, its mostly a cliched cop show sitcom, but it might be the best comedy on TV currently. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 24, 2016, 11:27:14 AM
I feel like a big strength of it is that it takes the cliches and embraces them, sometimes extending them to their logical conclusions. Detective Charles Boyle in particular was obviously the result of Mike Schuur and his team sitting down and saying "okay, we want Andy Samberg to have a prototypical cop movie sidekick. What would that look like in real life?". The results I think make him one of the most interesting characters on TV: definitely a man, definitely heterosexual, but also very submissive and feminine in demeanor. I feel like early on that aspect of his character was played a bit for laughs but as he's gotten more airtime it's clear that he's a guy who has his own sense of agency and all, it's just that his sense of agency includes a very strong bro-love for his work partner.

I've also been a huge fan of Andre Braugher since his days on Homicide: Life on the Streets (which by the way is an extremely underrated show - we're talking about a procedural cop drama by the guy who created "The Wire") and am delighted to see him in another gender stereotype breaking role (Lt. Holt is gay and the show has highlighted his fight against homophobia during his time in the NYPD, but he subverts the gay stereotype in great ways by being, among other things, emotionally closed off to Ron Swanson levels (and not in a "this is a guy who is keeping all his emotions inside and one day they will all fly out" but a "I think he really just has a tiny range of emotions"). It's a show whose core comedy isn't so much making fun of the characters (well, with the exception of Hitchcock and Scully) as it is generating comedy from the interplay between everyone. What happens when Lt. Holt and Detective Diaz (played by Stephanie Beatriz and kind of the "Dirty Harry" of the team) have to process a breakup involving a family member? How does Boyle react when Jake (Andy Samberg's character) meets up with his former partner and makes him a bit of a third wheel? HIJINX ENSUE
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on October 24, 2016, 11:36:21 AM
The thing that made the Boyle character work for me was that despite how personally inept he is in his private life, he's actually very capable and successful at his job, in a low-key way.  It would have been so tempting to make him a shitty cop in addition to all his other stuff, but he's not.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 24, 2016, 11:45:38 AM
The thing that made the Boyle character work for me was that despite how personally inept he is in his private life, he's actually very capable and successful at his job, in a low-key way.  It would have been so tempting to make him a shitty cop in addition to all his other stuff, but he's not.
I think this really exemplifies why the show is so good.  In every other similar show, he would have been terrible at his job.  It might be an accident though, the two incompetent cops weren't meant to have as large a role as they do, so they may suck up all the incompetent plot lines. 

Still a great show for the reason noted by Slick.  Instead of lazy cliched writing, they play with and subvert the cliches.  Also, because it god have just been an Andy Samberg vehicle(which would have sucked) but its much for of an ensemble show. 
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Post by: amysrevenge on October 24, 2016, 11:48:47 AM
It really snuck up on me as a stealth favourite - it's pretty much the only network show that is on right now that I legit binge watch when it comes up on Netflix.  Or at least I have for each season so far.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: arthwollipot on October 25, 2016, 06:52:58 AM
The thing that made the Boyle character work for me was that despite how personally inept he is in his private life, he's actually very capable and successful at his job, in a low-key way.  It would have been so tempting to make him a shitty cop in addition to all his other stuff, but he's not.

None of them are bad cops. That's the point. Even the comedy duo (Hitchcock and Scully) are only slightly bad. And all of them are complex, three-dimensional characters, with deeper things going on than we assume at first.

Oh, and my son introduced me to Terry Crews before I started watching the show by showing me all of the Old Spice commercials on YouTube.  :laugh:
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on October 25, 2016, 07:44:17 AM
Brooklyn 99 should really be terrible, its mostly a cliched cop show sitcom, but it might be the best comedy on TV currently.

Have you seen Atlanta
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on October 25, 2016, 11:10:46 AM
The thing that made the Boyle character work for me was that despite how personally inept he is in his private life, he's actually very capable and successful at his job, in a low-key way.  It would have been so tempting to make him a shitty cop in addition to all his other stuff, but he's not.

None of them are bad cops. That's the point.

It was actually a thing that was initially offputting to me for the first couple episodes, until I figured out what they were doing.  Every formula in Hollywood is SCREAMING for them all, top to bottom, to be comically inept at their jobs.  And then when they aren't, it's jarring at first, just because we're all accustomed to the formula.  But once you get past it, it's such a good choice.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on October 25, 2016, 11:13:31 AM
Super late to the party, but Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

Absurd, absurd, absurd.  It reminds me of a live action John Kricfalusi cartoon.

It's the same joke over and over again and I'm enjoying it immensely.

So, welcome to 2005 for me.....
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on October 25, 2016, 11:23:15 AM
The thing that made the Boyle character work for me was that despite how personally inept he is in his private life, he's actually very capable and successful at his job, in a low-key way.  It would have been so tempting to make him a shitty cop in addition to all his other stuff, but he's not.

None of them are bad cops. That's the point.

It was actually a thing that was initially offputting to me for the first couple episodes, until I figured out what they were doing.  Every formula in Hollywood is SCREAMING for them all, top to bottom, to be comically inept at their jobs.  And then when they aren't, it's jarring at first, just because we're all accustomed to the formula.  But once you get past it, it's such a good choice.

I wonder, did that start with "Gilligan?"

The cops on "Barney Miller" weren't incompetent. Some of them didn't have the best attitudes, but they did their jobs.

Sam was a good bartender; Fraser was a good psychologist/talk show host; Mary, Murray and Lou were good at their jobs, but Ted was a disaster; Bob was a good therapist; Dick, Buddy and Sally were good comedy writers; Ricky was a good bandleader; Ralph was good bus driver and Ed a good sewer worker.

It seems that not every good comedy is based on the main characters being the Gilligans of their fields.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on October 25, 2016, 11:24:41 AM
Great observation, estocky.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on October 25, 2016, 11:36:47 AM
Jerry was a very successful stand up comic who was a disaster in his private life.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on October 25, 2016, 11:39:28 AM
Jerry was a very successful stand up comic who was a disaster in his private life.

But the other three...  Not so much lol.

ETA: now that I think about it - is Castanza the archetype?  The funny guy who sucks at everything?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 25, 2016, 12:02:16 PM
Jerry was a very successful stand up comic who was a disaster in his private life.
And Desi was a good band leader but Lucy pretty much ruined everything.   

I don't actually think that cliched hollywood sitcoms depend on all the characters or even typically the main character being a screw up.  They often depend on the competent put upon straight man dealing with the Hijinks around him.  Brooklyn 99 avoids this, mostly by making Boyle a competent cop but also most everyone a competent cop rather than having a few of the wacky characters incompetent. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on October 25, 2016, 12:10:28 PM
I guess maybe it's no so much "everyone's a screwup" but rather "the people who are screwups in their main thing for the show are screwups in everything else too".  Like, in the 99, you'd expect Boyle, whose main role in the narrative is to be the goofy/weird/screwup friend, to be a complete incompetent at everything.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on October 25, 2016, 12:19:04 PM
Jerry was a very successful stand up comic who was a disaster in his private life.
And Desi was a good band leader but Lucy pretty much ruined everything.   

I don't actually think that cliched hollywood sitcoms depend on all the characters or even typically the main character being a screw up.  They often depend on the competent put upon straight man dealing with the Hijinks around him.  Brooklyn 99 avoids this, mostly by making Boyle a competent cop but also most everyone a competent cop rather than having a few of the wacky characters incompetent.

The show I consider a near flawless sitcom, Fawlty Towers had an interesting variation on that theme.  The hotel owner, Basil Fawlty was a terrible hotelier and a lousy person who constantly berated and dismissed the competent and reasonable staff around him.  To hilarious result.  This is a fun discussion.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on October 25, 2016, 12:54:15 PM
Jerry was a very successful stand up comic who was a disaster in his private life.
And Desi was a good band leader but Lucy pretty much ruined everything.   

I don't actually think that cliched hollywood sitcoms depend on all the characters or even typically the main character being a screw up.  They often depend on the competent put upon straight man dealing with the Hijinks around him.  Brooklyn 99 avoids this, mostly by making Boyle a competent cop but also most everyone a competent cop rather than having a few of the wacky characters incompetent.

But, she was a good housewife!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 25, 2016, 01:55:57 PM
Jerry was a very successful stand up comic who was a disaster in his private life.
And Desi was a good band leader but Lucy pretty much ruined everything.   

I don't actually think that cliched hollywood sitcoms depend on all the characters or even typically the main character being a screw up.  They often depend on the competent put upon straight man dealing with the Hijinks around him.  Brooklyn 99 avoids this, mostly by making Boyle a competent cop but also most everyone a competent cop rather than having a few of the wacky characters incompetent.
I feel like to a point it's kind of unrealistic to have a workplace where everyone *is* competent unless it's like West Wing or something. So Hitchcock and Scully are the incompetents on the floor, everyone knows they're incompetent, and the rest of the squad is constantly working around their incompetence (although at that there are points in which you realize that the two of them aren't so much screw-ups as they are lazy and disinterested in doing anything but the bare minimum required for their job). The rest of the team reacts in believable if humorous ways when incompetence is thrust upon them. The flip side is that although it's hinted that Jake Peralta in particular is one of the best detectives in the city or something, he's far from a Mary Sue type character and has become even less of one as the show has progressed (the hyper-competence, for instance, seems to stem from his inability to think about anything other than the job). One of the things that made Cheers a great show is that there wasn't really a "normal" character in the middle that tied everyone else together and instead a whole lot of people with varying levels of dysfunction. I feel like B99 captures that even better than Mike Schuur's earlier work (the American version of The Office and Parks and Rec).

Speaking of which, he has a new show coming out later this month that concerns people who were visited by space aliens.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on October 25, 2016, 03:18:43 PM
Speaking of which, he has a new show coming out later this month that concerns people who were visited by space aliens.

Is that 'People of Earth'?*  Because I don't think he made that one. 

Isn't his new one actually 'The Good Place'?

*My former buddy (more of a facebook acquaintance now really) is in that one. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on October 25, 2016, 06:32:08 PM
Speaking of which, he has a new show coming out later this month that concerns people who were visited by space aliens.

Is that 'People of Earth'?*  Because I don't think he made that one. 

Isn't his new one actually 'The Good Place'?

*My former buddy (more of a facebook acquaintance now really) is in that one.
Agh, I got my woo woo ness mixed up. Yes, it's The Good Place.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on October 25, 2016, 08:18:24 PM
Jesus Christ.  I just watched the Atlanta episode B.A.N. that was fucking brilliant.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on October 28, 2016, 02:34:47 AM
Just watched the pilot episode of Good Girls Revolt.  Looks great.  Like Mad Men meets The Newsroom.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on October 30, 2016, 09:13:05 PM
Maybe too early to trumpet them, but the new batch of HBO shows is so great about three eps in...

Westworld - moody, fascinating sci-fi... can't wait to see where is this concept going (well, I think I probably know  ;))...
Divorce - kind of a downer, but Thomas Haden Church is such a funny doof he saves it.
Insecure - young, hip and funny AF
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on October 31, 2016, 08:56:46 AM
Finished Season 1 of Glitch. Looking forward to Season 2. Lots of answers needed in Season 2. All 'n' all a pretty good sci fi/horror thriller.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 11, 2016, 12:41:22 PM
so, I've heard of people raving about Westworld for weeks now and finally started watching it.

15 minutes in and they've revealed
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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on November 11, 2016, 12:44:32 PM
so, I've heard of people raving about Westworld for weeks now and finally started watching it.

15 minutes in and they've revealed
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No. Not at all. What the hell are you talking about, and why did you decide to put that behind a spoiler tag?

I see literally no relation to Hostel and it's in essence the opposite of The Matrix.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 11, 2016, 02:44:40 PM
so, I've heard of people raving about Westworld for weeks now and finally started watching it.

15 minutes in and they've revealed
(click to show/hide)

No. Not at all. What the hell are you talking about, and why did you decide to put that behind a spoiler tag?

I see literally no relation to Hostel and it's in essence the opposite of The Matrix.

Hostel
(click to show/hide)
Matrix
(click to show/hide)
Jurassic Park
(click to show/hide)

Dollhouse would be another one.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on November 11, 2016, 05:10:43 PM
OK. I see a little better what you're trying to say, but you're really stretching the idea of those tropes. I could use that same line of thinking to draw out much more ridiculous parallels

Seinfeld
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OZ
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24
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The Real Housewives of..
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The Ellen Degeneres Show
(click to show/hide)

etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 11, 2016, 05:19:07 PM
I could use that same line of thinking to draw out much more ridiculous parallels

and accordingly would be describing the show a lot less well than 'Cowboy Dollhouse' does.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 12, 2016, 06:06:50 PM
all caught up on Westworld now.
I dunno if it's 'best'y, but it's what Lost could've been if it wanted to be something, and it's more than Humans ever could've been.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on November 12, 2016, 10:09:08 PM
all caught up on Westworld now.
I dunno if it's 'best'y, but it's what Lost could've been if it wanted to be something, and it's more than Humans ever could've been.

It still has to earn it's "better than 'Lost' " title.

'Lost' had a great first few seasons, and wasted it's good start by having a very disappointing final 2 seasons.
Westworld, as much as I love it, still has to pay off on it's set-up. I am hopeful.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on November 12, 2016, 10:34:19 PM
all caught up on Westworld now.
I dunno if it's 'best'y, but it's what Lost could've been if it wanted to be something, and it's more than Humans ever could've been.


Westworld has made Humans unwatchable for me.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 13, 2016, 04:18:46 AM
It still has to earn it's "better than 'Lost' " title.

'Lost' had a great first few seasons, and wasted it's good start by having a very disappointing final 2 seasons.
Westworld, as much as I love it, still has to pay off on it's set-up. I am hopeful.

just imagine the first 6 episodes of Westworld were 48 episodes of Lost. the narrative progress is about that.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on November 14, 2016, 08:49:12 AM
all caught up on Westworld now.
I dunno if it's 'best'y, but it's what Lost could've been if it wanted to be something, and it's more than Humans ever could've been.

It still has to earn it's "better than 'Lost' " title.

'Lost' had a great first few seasons, and wasted it's good start by having a very disappointing final 2 seasons.
Westworld, as much as I love it, still has to pay off on it's set-up. I am hopeful.

Lost was born into a world where major networks had to do a 20 or 24 episodes a season. It's about hitting the syndication numbers. I think it was even envisioned just to be 2 or 3 seasons. But they had a hit. And then the story line had to get drawn out and made more complicated to fill up air time.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on November 15, 2016, 02:55:35 PM
Young Justice League season 3 is in the works!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on November 15, 2016, 02:58:45 PM
Young Justice League season 3 is in the works!

Whaaaaaaaa!

 :pervert: :dance: :rock: :hfive:
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on November 16, 2016, 11:04:39 AM
I dug "The Crown" on Netflix.

I'm not a fan of the Royal Family or QE2, but I thought it was pretty fair representation, and kind of made me understand all the Princess Margarette; Lady Di; Camilla Parker Bowles situations much better.

Plus, with movies and TV shows, I think we're getting a pretty good account of 20th Century British History.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on November 16, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
I watched the first two seasons of TURN: Washington's Spies on Netflix.

It is a pretty interesting show, but hit has some real problems.
Namely in order to flesh out the stories and add to the drama they create a lot on non-historical soap opera bullshit that I don't think is all that necessary.
Because of the budget they have some pretty sub-standard green screen CGI effects, but I can pardon that.

They are also sometimes a bit sloppy in the timeline.

Other than that, I have enjoyed it quite a bit.
One reason is probably because it takes place in the area of the country I am most familiar with (Long Island, NYC Westchester, New Jersey)

Growing up, I think my understanding of the American Revolution was all centered around Boston and Philadelphia.
For whatever reason I never appreciated the greater NYC area as being the real strategic focus of the war --probably because of there being so much dominance of the British occupation.
And it is precisely because of that scenario, that there was so much interesting intrigue, spying and maneuvering behind the scenes--and I think this series delves into it pretty well.

I think the show also does a great depiction of George Washington--who I have only in recent years gained a real appreciation for--and a real appreciation for how he was regarded by both his peers and adversaries.
The same could be said for Major John Andre (who passed within 1/4 mile of where my home now stands the day before his capture---and my home sits on the former farm of one of his captors).

One thing I have found interesting is many of the sites where these events took place are barely noted with Historical markers, whereas if it were an event that occurred in the Civil War there would be a museum and huge gift shop.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on November 17, 2016, 04:00:00 AM
Young Justice is coming back!  :woop:
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Drunken Idaho on November 17, 2016, 10:33:25 AM
Young Justice League season 3 is in the works!

 :hfive:  :dance:   :cheers:
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on November 17, 2016, 10:42:20 AM
I'd rate it as mostly confirmed right now.  Don't get your hopes up folks.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on November 17, 2016, 05:49:56 PM
If only Wally on The Flash had the personality of Wally on Young Justice... What a missed opportunity. :(
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: starnado on November 18, 2016, 01:37:59 PM
Young Justice League season 3 is in the works!

Whaaaaaaaa!

 :pervert: :dance: :rock: :hfive:

I wish I had seen this before I posted. I have been in such a constant hurry lately.

But, Yay! and thanks to pants for recommending it to me in the first place. :hfive:
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on November 18, 2016, 08:26:07 PM
If only Wally on The Flash had the personality of Wally on Young Justice... What a missed opportunity. :(
Great thing about that show is that nothing is ever missed! Barry just has to go back in time once and personalities can change as they need to.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on November 18, 2016, 08:33:41 PM
If you haven't watched Black Mirror you should. Its a brilliant commentary on near future technology. Like a dark version of X-Files written by michio kaku (Except better than that would be)

Each episode is its own self-contained concept on an aspect of technology and how it interacts and affects society. Some episodes take place only a few years into the future, while others take place hundreds of years in the future.
It is really well made and I cant recommend it enough.

I think its not as popular as it could be because the first episode is one of the most controversial, turning most people off who see it from the rest of the show.
(click to show/hide)

For beginners, starting episodes to introduce the series would be:

S01E02- Fifteen Million Merits
S01E03- The Entire History of You
S03E01- Nosedive


Season 3 is on netflix, and I can link you to a dropbox for the first two seasons if you wish, although torrents are easy enough to find of the first two seasons.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on November 18, 2016, 09:53:34 PM
I love Black Mirror

The first episode was a weird way for them to begin an anthology series. You need to get the viewer hooked with the concept before showing them an episode that will turn off some viewers.
It does have some good points to make about our voyeuristic society, but a lot of people just can't get past the pig.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on November 18, 2016, 09:57:29 PM
Alan Cummings Sings Sappy Songs

Idunno wtf, but it was fabulous.  Watch it if only to see him sing Sondheim's "Here's To the Girls Who Lunch" while gyrating with a cocktail.  Now thats fucking entertainment.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on November 18, 2016, 11:09:33 PM
If you haven't watched Black Mirror you should.

eh.

I finally finished it the other day. (been a huge Brooker fan for years and years, but savoured this season) if you haven't seen it, also check out How TV Ruined Your Life (don't say it didn't, it did!) [editorial subtitle]

talked to my flatmate about Westworld this afternoon, he was sharing all the theories with me, shit I never fucking noticed.

I put him onto ep.6 of Black Mirror (s3), should amuse him.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on November 21, 2016, 09:05:11 AM
Saw Ep 1 of S3 of Black Mirror. A chilling idea about people being sorted via their Yelp like ratings. However, they sort of punted the end.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on November 21, 2016, 01:30:50 PM
I've been watching The Crown and it is surprisingly good...

Despite it being about a bunch of useless super-privileged parasites who should be guillotined, despite me finding it very hard to sympathise with said parasites and their emotional issues and dilemmas and especially despite it sometimes descending into sanctimonious monarchism, it is a great watch. Partially due to the top-notch acting (John Lithgow is the one and only Churchill on screen), decent writing (quite an achievement these days) and the delightful resting bitch face of Claire Foy.

The only big criticism I had so far was the horribly unfavourable depiction of Clement Attlee, the greatest British Prime Minister ever. But points are gained for depicting Anthony Eden as the worst scum.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Anders on November 25, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
Ash vs. Evil Dead.

Blood, gore, and Bruce Campbell being awesome. How can it be bad?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on November 28, 2016, 08:45:23 AM
Crown does grow on you. Finished up Dramaworld. Disappointed they ended on a cliffhanger. Funny enough. Interesting concept. You don't have to be a K drama fan but it helps. I'm not exactly a K drama fan but I lived in Seoul for 4 odd years so I sort of understand the form.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on November 28, 2016, 08:50:30 AM
Ash vs. Evil Dead.

Blood, gore, and Bruce Campbell being awesome. How can it be bad?

Nobody will mistake it for Shakespeare, but it absolutely delivers exactly what someone (like me) who is going to seek that show out wants, 100%.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on November 30, 2016, 08:49:38 AM
"Oh, no!  Not the butt!" 
 
- Bruce Campbell
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on November 30, 2016, 08:54:35 AM
Ash vs. Evil Dead.

Blood, gore, and Bruce Campbell being awesome. How can it be bad?

Nobody will mistake it for Shakespeare, but it absolutely delivers exactly what someone (like me) who is going to seek that show out wants, 100%.
I really hope future civilisations somehow get it mixed up with Shakespear or the pinnacle of our civilizations creativity.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on December 02, 2016, 02:32:41 PM
Watched the first two episodes of BBC America's Dirk Gently, and.. holy crap it's good!

I read the books about 15 years ago, so I have no idea if it's true to them in any way.. but it definitely maintains a lot of Douglas Adams humor.

Definitely check it out.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on December 02, 2016, 02:34:44 PM
Watched the first two episodes of BBC America's Dirk Gently, and.. holy crap it's good!

I read the books about 15 years ago, so I have no idea if it's true to them in any way.. but it definitely maintains a lot of Douglas Adams humor.

Definitely check it out.

I've been following the production, waiting until sometime this month when they become available in Canada on Netflix.  They are deliberately NOT following any particular Dirk Gently story, only the character/theme.  I've been convinced that this is the best way to adapt the character.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on December 03, 2016, 02:34:54 PM
Watched the first two episodes of BBC America's Dirk Gently, and.. holy crap it's good!

I read the books about 15 years ago, so I have no idea if it's true to them in any way.. but it definitely maintains a lot of Douglas Adams humor.

Definitely check it out.

Awesome, I had no clue this was a thing.  Watched the first episode, Dirk Gently mentions the events of the two books, so this must take place after.

Thanks for the rec.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on December 03, 2016, 05:09:12 PM
I caught up with everything on BBC America's website, and am in love with the show. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on December 03, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Watched the first two episodes of BBC America's Dirk Gently, and.. holy crap it's good!

I read the books about 15 years ago, so I have no idea if it's true to them in any way.. but it definitely maintains a lot of Douglas Adams humor.

Definitely check it out.

Awesome, I had no clue this was a thing.  Watched the first episode, Dirk Gently mentions the events of the two books, so this must take place after.

Thanks for the rec.

Yeah it really seems like they've done a poor job marketing this thing.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on December 04, 2016, 04:02:06 AM
Im kind of bummed that Dirk Gently is good, because I hate Max Landis so much.
FINE.
I will give it a go.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on December 05, 2016, 08:25:23 AM
Im kind of bummed that Dirk Gently is good, because I hate Max Landis so much.
FINE.
I will give it a go.

This seems to be version 2.0. They came out with mini series based on one of the books and it wasn't quite all that it could be. My understanding is this is the character in name but that's the jumping off point.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on December 05, 2016, 08:51:18 AM
Watched the first two episodes of BBC America's Dirk Gently, and.. holy crap it's good!

I read the books about 15 years ago, so I have no idea if it's true to them in any way.. but it definitely maintains a lot of Douglas Adams humor.

Definitely check it out.

I care little to nothing about if the series sticks to canon.  What I care about is if it "feels" like Douglas Adams.  If it does, that's wonderful news!  Stuff that "feels" like Douglas Adams humor makes me very happy.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on December 05, 2016, 01:09:06 PM
It is Adams-esque for sure, with nice divergent yet related plot lines, clever banter, and very little hand holding with fairly complex elements.  Not quite as silly as a lot of Adams's humor, but definitively silly elements mixed in.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: amysrevenge on December 08, 2016, 01:49:16 PM
Old Mr. Bean episodes hold up pretty well.  6yo is loving them.  She almost died when he stuck his candy in his booger-pocket at church.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on December 08, 2016, 05:07:53 PM
Connections:  It doesn't really age well but but James Burke is probably my Carl Sagan.  I saw this as a kid and now I love both science and history.   

He goes through history and draws connections between disparate science and technology.   From the wiki description of episode two.

Quote
"Death in the Morning" examines the standardisation of precious metal with the touchstone in the ancient world. This innovation stimulated trade from Greece to Persia, ultimately causing the construction of a huge commercial center and library at Alexandria which included Ptolemy's star tables. This wealth of astronomical knowledge aided navigators during the age of discovery 14 centuries later following the introduction of lateen sails and sternpost rudders. Mariners discovered that the compass's magnetised needle did not actually point directly north. Investigations into the nature of magnetism by Gilbert led to the discovery of electricity by way of the sulphur ball of von Guericke. Further interest in atmospheric electricity at the Ben Nevis weather station led to Wilson's cloud chamber which in turn allowed development of both Watson-Watt's radar and (by way of Rutherford's insights) nuclear weaponry.

https://www.amazon.com/Connections-1-5-Disc-Set/dp/B000NJVY3U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481234618&sr=8-1&keywords=connections


Edit to add: I mentioned this because I'm listening to Dan Carlin interview and he just said:  What ever we do about global warming now doesn't matter because in 50 years we have technology that will make it irrelevant.   :-\
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: moj on December 11, 2016, 09:32:32 AM
Search party, really enjoyed it. I kind of hope they don't make another season it told a good story and think anything else added would take away from it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: nameofthewave on December 11, 2016, 03:14:27 PM
Planet Earth 2 has been spectacular so far, presented by the 90 year old Sir David Attenborough. Apparently it will be broadcast in the US from January 28th 2017 on BBC America. Look out for it folks, I hear January may be a bad month over there.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on December 11, 2016, 10:49:34 PM
Planet Earth 2 has been spectacular so far, presented by the 90 year old Sir David Attenborough. Apparently it will be broadcast in the US from January 28th 2017 on BBC America. Look out for it folks, I hear January may be a bad month over there.

That baby iguana footage was some of the coolest and stressful nature documentary footage I've ever seen.
I was genuinely scared for the little guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3OjfK0t1XM
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on December 16, 2016, 10:53:28 AM
Though I was a fan of Mythbusters, I had no real intention on watching Netflix's White Rabbit Project which starts Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara.

That is, until I noticed in one of the promotional stills an odd little car behind Tory.
I recognized the car as a Baker Torpedo--an electric car that was aiming to beat the land speed record in 1902 in Staten Island.

The only reason I know of the car is it is part of family lore. As Mr. Baker set about setting a new record he lost control of the car and slammed into a crowd--and killing my great-grandfather's brother instantly. Unmentioned in the segment is the fact that this was the first fatality of a motorsport spectator in the USA (and possibly the first auto fatality--the record is fuzzy on that). (the Baker Torpedo is recreated in episode 10--Speed Freaks)

Other than that, I am not certain I would watch much of this show again.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on December 17, 2016, 04:07:09 AM
Watched the first two episodes of BBC America's Dirk Gently, and.. holy crap it's good!

I read the books about 15 years ago, so I have no idea if it's true to them in any way.. but it definitely maintains a lot of Douglas Adams humor.

Definitely check it out.

I care little to nothing about if the series sticks to canon.  What I care about is if it "feels" like Douglas Adams.  If it does, that's wonderful news!  Stuff that "feels" like Douglas Adams humor makes me very happy.

I have seriously adult things to be adulting today and I just stayed up to 4AM mainlining this funigkin amaamazeblls show.

The possibility exists that I am actually a bad parent.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on December 17, 2016, 06:30:23 AM
Anyone else watching Elementary?  (8/10)

It's the second best Holmes after Jeremy Brett's!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on December 28, 2016, 10:36:03 AM
Anyone else watching Elementary?  (8/10)

It's the second best Holmes after Jeremy Brett's!

We're a few episodes behind, but have been enjoying the show quite a lot.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on December 28, 2016, 10:50:54 AM
Im kind of bummed that Dirk Gently is good, because I hate Max Landis so much.
FINE.
I will give it a go.

This seems to be version 2.0. They came out with mini series based on one of the books and it wasn't quite all that it could be. My understanding is this is the character in name but that's the jumping off point.

The show seems to continue the character of Dirk Gently after his adventures in the books.

Watched the first two episodes of BBC America's Dirk Gently, and.. holy crap it's good!

I read the books about 15 years ago, so I have no idea if it's true to them in any way.. but it definitely maintains a lot of Douglas Adams humor.

Definitely check it out.

I care little to nothing about if the series sticks to canon.  What I care about is if it "feels" like Douglas Adams.  If it does, that's wonderful news!  Stuff that "feels" like Douglas Adams humor makes me very happy.

I have seriously adult things to be adulting today and I just stayed up to 4AM mainlining this funigkin amaamazeblls show.

The possibility exists that I am actually a bad parent.

It is Adams-esque for sure, with nice divergent yet related plot lines, clever banter, and very little hand holding with fairly complex elements.  Not quite as silly as a lot of Adams's humor, but definitively silly elements mixed in.

It is a seriously fun show to watch again. I'm now watching it with my wife and seeing a LOT of stuff that I missed the first time. The show runners must have had a nervous breakdown on this thing! EVERYTHING is connected. Amazing.

IIRC the DG books were more surreal than HHGttG books, but not as funny. More complex themes because of the interconnectedness, but fewer LOLs as I read.

I'm going to have to dig them out of the boxes in the attic and read them again.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on December 29, 2016, 08:06:53 AM
Nobel - 8/10

Norwegian pol-mil drama, subtitles.  It's good!  And on Netflix streaming.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 03, 2017, 08:31:22 AM
The Fall is in Season 3. So far (3 eps in) it's mostly about emergency medicine. But still pretty good.

About 4 eps into Dirk Gently. Fucking amazing. I suspect each season will feature a big time Hollywood star as Dirk's latest assistant.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on January 03, 2017, 10:06:30 AM
Penny Dreadful

Extremely fun show to watch
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on January 03, 2017, 02:02:24 PM
I've been watching The Crown and it is surprisingly good...

Despite it being about a bunch of useless super-privileged parasites who should be guillotined, despite me finding it very hard to sympathise with said parasites and their emotional issues and dilemmas and especially despite it sometimes descending into sanctimonious monarchism, it is a great watch. Partially due to the top-notch acting (John Lithgow is the one and only Churchill on screen), decent writing (quite an achievement these days) and the delightful resting bitch face of Claire Foy.


I watched the first season over the course of a couple weeks.

I agree it is very well done. The sets /locations and costuming are perfect.
I think it does a great job of framing the Queen's regard for the the monarchy and her sense of duty. It often seem that out of the whole family she is the only one who takes it seriously (I don't much care for it other than a soft spot for the pageantry, etc).
John Lithgow is surprisingly good. I had low expectations in regards to him as I have never seen him as anything but a scene chewing ham--but he uses it to his advantage. Claire Foy is great.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on January 03, 2017, 08:04:30 PM
The Fall is in Season 3. So far (3 eps in) it's mostly about emergency medicine. But still pretty good.

I was annoyed with the first few episodes. I enjoyed Seasons 1 & 2, but to have it turn from a crime show into a medical show for those episodes just ruined it for me.
I didn't need to see every medical procedure in excruciating detail. I don't watch medical dramas.
It felt like they were doing it just to stretch the show out for a few extra episodes.

It also didn't help that the doctor was Jeff from Coupling  ;) I was waiting for some sexist and wildly inappropriate joke  ;D
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on January 04, 2017, 08:51:17 AM
I agree. I do not watch medical dramas. "But House!" No. Full stop. I DON'T WATCH MEDICAL DRAMAS.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on January 04, 2017, 08:58:31 AM
Quote

I watched the first season over the course of a couple weeks.

I agree it is very well done. The sets /locations and costuming are perfect.
I think it does a great job of framing the Queen's regard for the the monarchy and her sense of duty. It often seem that out of the whole family she is the only one who takes it seriously (I don't much care for it other than a soft spot for the pageantry, etc).
John Lithgow is surprisingly good. I had low expectations in regards to him as I have never seen him as anything but a scene chewing ham--but he uses it to his advantage. Claire Foy is great.

The high quality production design alone gets me to tune in.  Costumes, sets, locations. All perfect.  Love it.

Quote
I agree. I do not watch medical dramas. "But House!" No. Full stop. I DON'T WATCH MEDICAL DRAMAS.

PREACH brother!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on January 04, 2017, 04:25:41 PM
Nobel - 8/10

Norwegian pol-mil drama, subtitles.  It's good!  And on Netflix streaming.


I watched the first few episodes of Nobel last night.  It's very good.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on January 04, 2017, 08:53:58 PM
The Selection
http://www.history.ca/the-selection/

A bunch of civilians go through a mashup of special operations training exercises. Navy Seals, Green Barrets, Army Rangers etc.
It sounded like just another paint by numbers reality show. But it has me so thoroughly hooked in.

It really got me thinking about the purpose of military training. Reminded me of my own time in the military.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on January 04, 2017, 09:08:26 PM
Anyone watched Travelers? I've heard good things, but since it's Canadian TV and I don't have cable it is a bit harder to see here (it isn't on Netflix). I want to know how much effort I should put into finding it and adding it to my queue.

My wife and I watched the first hour of the Sense8 christmas episode. I loved it, but she can't handle that much drama (she gets too wrapped up in the pain of the characters and shuts it down). I thought the way they handled the actor-switch was a little heavy handed, and the orgy had more screen time than strictly necessary. I liked it - but it started to feel indulgent and lose it's impact after a while. I did like the permutations of their lovemaking, however.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on January 04, 2017, 09:21:50 PM
If you have a soft spot for schlocky sci-fi, you'll probably like it. 

I watched it all in two sittings.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on January 04, 2017, 09:25:36 PM
Anyone watched Travelers? I've heard good things, but since it's Canadian TV and I don't have cable it is a bit harder to see here (it isn't on Netflix). I want to know how much effort I should put into finding it and adding it to my queue.

My wife and I watched the first hour of the Sense8 christmas episode. I loved it, but she can't handle that much drama (she gets too wrapped up in the pain of the characters and shuts it down). I thought the way they handled the actor-switch was a little heavy handed, and the orgy had more screen time than strictly necessary. I liked it - but it started to feel indulgent and lose it's impact after a while. I did like the permutations of their lovemaking, however.

It is on Netflix for me, just watched the season, and I'm a fan.

Travelers [Netflix] (My rating 8/10)

Watched all 12 episodes of season one in two sittings.

Basic premise as revealed in episode 1, the consciousness of "Travelers" from the future are sent back to take control of people in the present that were about to die.  The travelers then work to stop "historical" events in order to avoid the dystopia from which they traveled.

The time travel mechanism is explained only in bits and bites, but by the end of the season i was quite satisfied with the explanations provided.  Very much enjoyed the hinting of the future from which the travelers came, but again, info comes at a dribble, never any full on explanations, which I find refreshing.  I like filling in the gaps.

A couple of episode bogged down, of note, the third from last, but most had a good pace.  I like most of the characters, though could live without a plot line or two.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on January 05, 2017, 12:43:41 AM
I am rewatching Deadwood, and OMFG 10/10.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on January 05, 2017, 03:00:59 AM
I agree. I do not watch medical dramas. "But House!" No. Full stop. I DON'T WATCH MEDICAL DRAMAS.


you said you don't watch medical dramas, you never said anything about medical dramedies. so it's a fair interjection.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: arthwollipot on January 05, 2017, 04:23:04 AM
I agree. I do not watch medical dramas. "But House!" No. Full stop. I DON'T WATCH MEDICAL DRAMAS.

Neither did I, but I enjoyed House. Not saying that you should, just that I did.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on January 05, 2017, 07:56:49 AM
I am rewatching Deadwood, and OMFG 10/10.

I have friends who are fans of The Wire, Game of Thrones and/or Sopranos who dispute me when I call Deadwood the best show HBO ever aired.  Then they watch a few episodes and clam up.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on January 05, 2017, 08:17:51 AM
I am a Deadwood fan.  It is a great show, no doubt in my mind.  But in no way does it surpass The Wire.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on January 05, 2017, 08:28:56 AM
I love all of those shows, but Boardwalk may be my favorite.

Part of what takes away from Deadwood as a whole is that it was never fully completed. They had a lot of plans to end the story but never got a chance.

The Wire and Sopranos are both somewhat dated at this point.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: stonesean on January 05, 2017, 08:41:38 AM
I remember loving "Oz".  I was dismayed when I tried to get my wife to watch Oz how poorly that show has aged.  Oof.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: petrolpetal on January 07, 2017, 11:02:40 AM
I came on here to do a search for 'Deadwood' to see what people had had to say about it. And here you all are discussing it currently. I'm watching it for the first time and I'm HOOKED. It's wonderful!  The Wire is still my best though.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Sawyer on January 26, 2017, 11:34:18 AM
I'm currently 3 episodes into "Show Me A Hero", an HBO docudrama from a few years ago about building housing projects in Yonkers, New York.  It's fantastic so far, assuming that you accept "soul crushing" as a positive characteristic of a television show.

Since talking about blatant racism and mob rule aspects of the show will put me in a foul mood, I'll just praise the acting instead:

- Oscar Isaac (X-men movie aside) can do no wrong
- Catherine Keener has the guts to actually play a woman her own age
- Jim Belushi somehow looks like a serious actor for one episode
EDIT - my theory that every good HBO show has a Seinfeld extra in it somewhere is proven doubly right, as both actors that portrayed the president of NBC share several scenes
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: MikeHz on January 29, 2017, 02:35:13 PM
A couple new shows are worth giving a try. Sneaky Pete on Amazon follows the story of a con artist who is released from prison and adopts the identity of his cell mate in order to avoid his past life. Giovanni Ribisi does a good job in the title role, as does Bryan Cranston (also one of the show's creators) as the gangster after Pete. 

Also from Amazon, Red Oaks follows the story of a young student working as a tennis pro at the prestigious and exclusive Red Oaks Country Club during the summer between his sophomore and junior years of college (NYU) in the 1980s.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on January 29, 2017, 09:49:24 PM
Riverdale (Netflix s01e01) seriously impressed / 10

Wow.

This is a very clever and interesting take on what Archie would be like IRL. It's a 90210-style soap opera with intrigue, murder, secrets and so on. The 4-colour versions of the characters you remember from the comics are still there - but then they start adding depth and detail and wow.

The exposition is a bit heavy in the first 20 minutes or so, but settles in quite nicely. So far only one of the primary characters is unidimensional - Betty's mom. Everyone else shows real depth.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on February 03, 2017, 05:28:34 PM
This could be interesting:

Monday, Feb. 6
StarTalk
Host Neil deGrasse Tyson features his interview with comedian Bill Maher. (N)
11 p.m. National Geographic
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: kendranoelle on February 04, 2017, 10:27:15 PM
Started Halt and Catch Fire recently. Felt the first season was a bit weak- still engaging but felt kind of soul-less and detached. I have heard each season improve on itself, so I'm eager to see that.

I also started re-watching Pushing Daisies and it's an absolute crime that that show got cancelled. It is brilliant. And makes me vomit rainbows.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Johnny Slick on February 04, 2017, 10:44:31 PM
Speaking of Brian Fuller shows that never should have been canceled... may I introduce you to Dead Like Me...
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on February 05, 2017, 01:32:42 AM
And Wonderfalls......
And The Amazing Screw On Head.....
And the upcoming Star Trek reboot
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: kendranoelle on February 05, 2017, 11:14:23 AM
Speaking of Brian Fuller shows that never should have been canceled... may I introduce you to Dead Like Me...

Yup, saw that one too. :)

Total crime for it to get shit-canned.

And Wonderfalls......
And The Amazing Screw On Head.....
And the upcoming Star Trek reboot

I actually own Wonderfalls as well.

Why is it the only Bryan Fuller show that didn't bomb (for the most part) was Hannibal and that show was p a i n f u l to watch. WHY.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on February 05, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
Dead Like Me was screwed over when showtime got a new CEO.  The new guy didn't like the show, they made some changes that made the show worse, so viewership dropped, and then they cancelled it.  Season 1 is one of my favorite seasons of any series.  Very few shows really stayed with me like that one, I would think about episodes for days, even weeks at a time after I watched them.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on February 06, 2017, 06:41:50 PM
Brain Games

Anyone familiar with this show?
It's definitely a winner in a science/skepticism way I would think.
My kids absolutely love it. Lots of information about how our brains work and how our brains DON'T work.

What's cool is they use illusionists and magicians quite often to illustrate how our brains get deceived so easily.

It's been on Netflix for some time (it's from the National Geographic network), but I think some of the seasons will be coming off this month.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on February 07, 2017, 12:58:18 AM
Santa Monica Diet: EleventySevenOutta/10

wow
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on February 07, 2017, 06:12:37 AM
Santa Monica Diet: EleventySevenOutta/10

wow

I'm guessing you mean Santa Clarita Diet.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on February 07, 2017, 08:30:58 AM
A battlefield promotion of Riverdale from not the very best to the very best. To be officially confirmed by ep 3.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on February 07, 2017, 12:41:13 PM
Santa Monica Clarita Diet: EleventySevenOutta/10

wow

I'm guessing you mean Santa Clarita Diet.

That's what I said. DON'T MISQUOTE ME YOU PRESS HARPY!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on February 11, 2017, 11:03:41 PM
I'm conflicted here.

Sword Art Online is on Netflix. The first 13 episodes were interesting and engaging anime. The second half of the first 'season' really feels like season 2.

(click to show/hide)

I'm curious if anyone else has watched the series and what you think. I'm on S01E22, and would prefer spoilers to be hidden as such.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on February 13, 2017, 01:01:17 PM
I'm conflicted here.

Sword Art Online is on Netflix. The first 13 episodes were interesting and engaging anime. The second half of the first 'season' really feels like season 2.

(click to show/hide)

I'm curious if anyone else has watched the series and what you think. I'm on S01E22, and would prefer spoilers to be hidden as such.


I've watched every SAO and I can tell you that they are all extremely watchable. Season two is different and brings the real world issues and virtual world issue together. It gets a little silly at times and of course somewhat incestuous, but that's anime for you. You'll enjoy season two I believe.

Somewhat spoilerish I guess....
(click to show/hide)
 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: brilligtove on February 13, 2017, 10:25:08 PM
I'm conflicted here.

Sword Art Online is on Netflix. The first 13 episodes were interesting and engaging anime. The second half of the first 'season' really feels like season 2.

(click to show/hide)

I'm curious if anyone else has watched the series and what you think. I'm on S01E22, and would prefer spoilers to be hidden as such.


I've watched every SAO and I can tell you that they are all extremely watchable. Season two is different and brings the real world issues and virtual world issue together. It gets a little silly at times and of course somewhat incestuous, but that's anime for you. You'll enjoy season two I believe.

Somewhat spoilerish I guess....
(click to show/hide)


I just started season 2. I'd prefer to have an English version rather than subtitles (animation is the only form I prefer dubbed) but I'm getting in there. Thanks for the thoughts.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: SkeptiQueer on March 04, 2017, 06:42:32 PM
Only on Seeso, but that counts, right?

My Brother, My Brother, and Me now has a six episode TV run. The boys are horny for it and the goofs are as strong as ever. Fans of the podcast will love it, I can't speak for others but if you like just watching people be people, give it a whirl.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on March 05, 2017, 11:37:20 PM
Golden Girls gets my vote for best pre-streaming-era classic sitcom. And now it's available to stream in its entire 7-season glory (Hulu).
I had not seen a single episode before this winter, and I'm blown away by how bold, progressive, naughty, funny, and touching they could be in 1985. It puts today's 3-cams to shame.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on March 16, 2017, 12:03:38 PM
The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story

I'm not exactly sure how to rate this, much of it was done extremely well, after binging through it in about 3 sessions it left me pretty damned depressed.
I remember the times very well, and the context of the times surrounding it--I was just finishing college when the Rodney King beating took place, and all the chatter in media and friends and family. I remember (white) people rationalizing the acquittal of the police officers, and how there was such a HUGE disconnect between how black people saw it and most white people.

The OJ Simpson case was something of a mind blower at the time because in the popular imagination, OJ was barely even registering as "black". When I first heard of the murders, I thought there was NO way OJ could have done it. He wasn't a hero of mine or anything, but he was just another one of those gentle presences on television, commercials, hosting things like "battle of the Network Stars" and of course his movies.
He seemed nice, cool and totally relatable to a suburban white-kid with some typical suburban white-kid prejudices.

I remember being in a bar with my wife (then girlfriend) when the Bronco Chase was happening--pre-empting a Knicks finals game. I recall rooting for OJ--not to run, but for him to be safe.

Then the story started to unfold about him not being so nice, about how he was an abuser and a total asshole. And the 24-hour news media phenomenon came afire like nothing since Desert Storm--only uglier.
By the time the trial came about it was insanity and you couldn't escape it.


Anyway, this miniseries mostly rehashed a lot of stuff I already knew, but definitely showed that racist cop Mark Furhman was even worse of a dickhead racist fuckbag than the media showed. The fact that he is a media pundit now makes me puke. The fact that people defend him is even worse. Most of what went wrong in both the OJ case and the Rodney King case is due entirely by the LA cop culture that Furhman embodied.
Of course OJ got a great defense, not because he is black, but because he was rich.
The prosecution was well intentioned and decent, but made two critical mistakes and no amount of evidence was going to counter the Defense team and the larger cultural mindset that made "reasonable doubt"  be what it was for that jury.

What depressed me most was I don't think the USA learned a damned fucking thing.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 16, 2017, 12:49:31 PM
The Americans -- Season 5 just started and the quality's still there.  It's an espionage slow-boiler and some really good television.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Friendly Angel on March 16, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
The Americans -- Season 5 just started and the quality's still there.  It's an espionage slow-boiler and some really good television.

YEAH!  I pay for every episode since I don't have a dish anymore, it's about the only show I do pay extra for beyond Netflix.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on March 16, 2017, 03:54:07 PM
The Americans -- Season 5 just started and the quality's still there.  It's an espionage slow-boiler and some really good television.

YEAH!  I pay for every episode since I don't have a dish anymore, it's about the only show I do pay extra for beyond Netflix.

FFS, why?

FXNow is totally a thing.  http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/full-episodes

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Friendly Angel on March 16, 2017, 03:56:58 PM
The Americans -- Season 5 just started and the quality's still there.  It's an espionage slow-boiler and some really good television.

YEAH!  I pay for every episode since I don't have a dish anymore, it's about the only show I do pay extra for beyond Netflix.

FFS, why?

FXNow is totally a thing.  http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/full-episodes

FFS - has that always been free?  I think I looked there once before and they wanted some kind of subscription fee or proof that you were paying a cable service.

edit:  Yeah, free "preview" = 1 show, otherwise pay up it looks like.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on March 16, 2017, 05:12:29 PM
The Americans -- Season 5 just started and the quality's still there.  It's an espionage slow-boiler and some really good television.

YEAH!  I pay for every episode since I don't have a dish anymore, it's about the only show I do pay extra for beyond Netflix.

FFS, why?

FXNow is totally a thing.  http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/full-episodes

FFS - has that always been free?  I think I looked there once before and they wanted some kind of subscription fee or proof that you were paying a cable service.

edit:  Yeah, free "preview" = 1 show, otherwise pay up it looks like.

Oh - I thought they previewed shows for the week after it got released.  Sorry.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on March 16, 2017, 05:49:36 PM
The Americans -- Season 5 just started and the quality's still there.  It's an espionage slow-boiler and some really good television.

been watching it lately. only up to season 3. perfect timing
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on March 24, 2017, 05:51:11 PM
Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Good god does this show deserve more attention. Imagine a character who is destined to solve a mystery, he doesn't know how, or why, or when, he just knows he will eventually solve the mystery because the universe forces him to. He just does the first thing that comes to his mind in every situation and he eventually solves mysteries. Now imagine a second character, the perfect assassin, a psychopath who kills whoever she feels like killing. She doesn't know who her assassin targets are, she just knows that if she ends up killing someone, they were meant to die and were her target.

An unstoppable force meets another unstoppable force, both with the full backing of destiny and the universe behind them.

The acting is pretty good, the mystery itself is pretty great, the side characters and additional forces in the story are very interesting and feel unique.

Watch it, its great.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 24, 2017, 10:28:01 PM
The Americans -- Season 5 just started and the quality's still there.  It's an espionage slow-boiler and some really good television.

been watching it lately. only up to season 3. perfect timing

(https://i.imgur.com/BPtA5Ao.gif)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on March 25, 2017, 07:22:41 PM
The Americans -- Season 5 just started and the quality's still there.  It's an espionage slow-boiler and some really good television.

been watching it lately. only up to season 3. perfect timing

(https://i.imgur.com/BPtA5Ao.gif)

Beautiful.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on March 26, 2017, 05:43:06 PM
Breaking Bad.

Just got into it on Netflix. I usually hate plots that revolve around drugs (makes me feel icky), but this has lived up to its reputation. Quite good!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on March 26, 2017, 08:27:03 PM
season 5 of samurai jack has been spectacular.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on March 27, 2017, 03:23:56 AM
Breaking Bad.

Just got into it on Netflix. I usually hate plots that revolve around drugs (makes me feel icky), but this has lived up to its reputation. Quite good!

It only gets better season by season. IMHO the best TV show ever. You're in for a great ride.  8)

Once you are finished, go straight into "Better Call Saul", which follows the early years of the shonky lawyer Saul Goodman from "Breaking Bad."
Another great TV series.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on March 27, 2017, 04:20:27 AM
I'm surprised that Homeland has not received more attention in this thread.  Although I liked the show from the start, I thought the initial plot line was a bit contrived, and that the series really matured in Season 5, with the beginning of an essentially new plot line.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 27, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Brody did it and the show ended after one season.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on March 27, 2017, 10:56:48 AM
Brody did it and the show ended after one season.
Yep, I found the alleged second season a drudge.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 27, 2017, 12:44:32 PM
If they had Brody chicken out and went into a slog of a second season, I would've downgraded the series from an A to a D and stopped watching a few episodes in because what the fuck

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Boßel on March 27, 2017, 06:02:24 PM
Re: Breaking Bad

On S3 ep 7 now.

I will never look at RV's the same way.  :laugh:
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on March 28, 2017, 12:51:20 AM
Brody did it and the show ended after one season.

Like I said, I think the new storyline that started with the beginning of season 5 was actually better than the storyline of seasons 1–4. Compared with the vaunted The Americans, the plot of Homeland is more realistic and the acting is better (Mandy Patinkin, for crissakes).
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on March 28, 2017, 03:51:33 AM
I dont think Homeland is more realistic at all. It was a fun show but the premise is actually kind of absurd.
The Americans is a dramatised show for sure but it basically actually happened, such spies did exist, they just (probably) weren't Jason Bourne level ninjas.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on March 28, 2017, 04:11:17 AM
I dont think Homeland is more realistic at all.

Right.  Because during the Cold War, Russian agents killed Americans on a weekly basis.

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It was a fun show but the premise is actually kind of absurd.

For the first 4 seasons I basically agree with you.  For the final time—and I will make this as clear as I can—EVERYTHING CHANGES BEGINNING WITH SEASON 5.

No matter what you thought of the first four seasons, Season 5 is a reset.  Watch season 5 or don't.  But the show changes so much at this point, the relevance of of the first 4 seasons is questionable.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on March 28, 2017, 04:24:38 AM
I will check out those seasons.
I did alude to the point you raised with my ninja comment but to be more explicit- The week to week execution may be more realistic in Homeland but I was referring to the premise of the shows. So I guess it depends on which you want to focus on.
If the premise of the later seasons of Homeland is also more realistic then thats fair enough but that can't be applied to the show as a whole just.
And again- I quite enjoyed Homeland.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: superdave on March 28, 2017, 08:11:26 AM
i'm plugging samurai jack one more time.  People might dismiss season 5 because the original incarnation of the show was for kids, but this version definitely is not.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on March 28, 2017, 09:04:01 AM
Brody did it and the show ended after one season.
Yep, I found the alleged second season a drudge.

I got all the way to the latest season, but couldn't manage to care at all about what was going on
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: moj on March 28, 2017, 10:29:43 AM
I dont think Homeland is more realistic at all.

Right.  Because during the Cold War, Russian agents killed Americans on a weekly basis.

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It was a fun show but the premise is actually kind of absurd.

For the first 4 seasons I basically agree with you.  For the final time—and I will make this as clear as I can—EVERYTHING CHANGES BEGINNING WITH SEASON 5.

No matter what you thought of the first four seasons, Season 5 is a reset.  Watch season 5 or don't.  But the show changes so much at this point, the relevance of of the first 4 seasons is questionable.

I agree and have been enjoying season 5 a lot more than the past few seasons.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on April 03, 2017, 09:18:25 AM
Blacks Sails just ended and wow, this was probably the best live action series I have been watching this year by a mile. The first season is dodgy, but afterwards it quickly became absolutely amazing, with great and deep characters, both female and male, fantastic story, great action scenes  and all... Fantastic.

Now that it ended, I don't know how I will fill the bisexual pirate-shaped hole on my soul.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 03, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
cannot find Black Sails on pirate bay of all places. for shame
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on April 03, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
Blacks Sails just ended and wow, this was probably the best live action series I have been watching this year by a mile. The first season is dodgy, but afterwards it quickly became absolutely amazing, with great and deep characters, both female and male, fantastic story, great action scenes  and all... Fantastic.

Now that it ended, I don't know how I will fill the bisexual pirate-shaped hole on my soul.

Interesting.
I put it on "Not the Very Best..." after first season. Will look back in.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 03, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
cannot find Black Sails on pirate bay of all places. for shame

Strange  ???. I can see all 38 Episodes listed

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Rai on April 03, 2017, 05:08:21 PM
Moderator Comment Imma just pull that link and replace it with the photo of a desman.

Piracy links are, well, discouraged around these parts
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 04, 2017, 04:13:23 AM
Oops sorry.

I knew it was a grey area and put it behind spoiler tags to make it less overt, but..... lesson learned for next time

If I don't forget  ;)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on April 04, 2017, 07:50:15 AM
Legion (http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/legion)

Holy shit! Just watched the first episode On Demand after hearing buzz about it....that's the trippiest damn show I've ever seen. I love it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: moj on April 04, 2017, 08:29:17 AM
We finished black sails last night and thought it got better with every season. Season one is the T&A season but got more serious after that. Legion I thought started great but then gets very confused and kind of a mess. Still worth watching but a lot to parce through. Aubrey Plaza is awesome in it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 04, 2017, 09:26:11 AM
Legion (http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/legion)

Holy shit! Just watched the first episode On Demand after hearing buzz about it....that's the trippiest damn show I've ever seen. I love it.

My wife was incredibly obsessed. She would watch the episode when it aired (only show we would watch live) and then watch it again when it reaired directly afterwards. We got in from a flight at 9PM on the night of the finale and we had to rush home to make it in time to catch that. We barely made it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 04, 2017, 10:28:26 AM
If not for word-of-mouth, I wouldn't have watched it.  The series promo was terrible but the show's good!  I marathoned it last week.

Legion: 9/10, for a superhero show. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: arthwollipot on April 04, 2017, 10:26:26 PM
If I don't forget  ;)

Here's a crazy trick to help you remember. Ask yourself "Is what I am about to post literally illegal?" If the answer is "yes", don't post it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 05, 2017, 03:50:34 AM
If I don't forget  ;)

Here's a crazy trick to help you remember. Ask yourself "Is what I am about to post literally illegal?" If the answer is "yes", don't post it.

Is it illegal? Wrong and an infringement of copyright. yes. Against the letter of the law. Maybe. Illegal. Possibly not.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/downloading-movies-and-tv-is-not-a-crime-20141208-11uyie.html

When it comes to TV shows that I'm paying for the channel that it's aired on, I put TV show bittorrents into the grey area of legality (in my mind)
I would never pirate any other media. I pay for everything I consume.
For me pirating the few TV shows I do, is telling the Australian TV stations and Pay-TV networks to pull their finger out and air them "same day" or as close as possible.

I understand it being against the rules of the forum and will refrain from posting links.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 06, 2017, 07:47:43 PM
Patriot (Amazon Prime) - 10/10

It's like The Americans meets the Coen Brothers, or Burn After Reading the Series.  I'm on episode 5 and it's damned good so far. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 08, 2017, 09:28:21 AM
cannot find Black Sails on pirate bay of all places. for shame

Strange  ???. I can see all 38 Episodes listed

(click to show/hide)

I found it now, and another series I couldn't find a few days earlier :)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 08, 2017, 09:31:32 AM
If I don't forget  ;)

Here's a crazy trick to help you remember. Ask yourself "Is what I am about to post literally illegal?" If the answer is "yes", don't post it.

you're telling me it's literally illegal to post a link to a torrent site's page?

should I contact the police and let them know there's an illegal link on a torrent site? I bet they never even thought to look.

is there a way I can do it without implicating Google as a co-conspirator to my illegal page link (I got a hook up from a guy at google. they have so many of these pages that they probably qualify as a 'dealer' under the law), or including the police in the crime by having them too load a literally illegal page?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on April 08, 2017, 11:33:01 AM
If I don't forget  ;)

Here's a crazy trick to help you remember. Ask yourself "Is what I am about to post literally illegal?" If the answer is "yes", don't post it.

you're telling me it's literally illegal to post a link to a torrent site's page?

should I contact the police and let them know there's an illegal link on a torrent site? I bet they never even thought to look.

is there a way I can do it without implicating Google as a co-conspirator to my illegal page link (I got a hook up from a guy at google. they have so many of these pages that they probably qualify as a 'dealer' under the law), or including the police in the crime by having them too load a literally illegal page?

You are being a jerk, here. Using pirated digital content is not legal. Providing links to it is not ethical.

Whether or not it's technically legal for you to link to it in your post or the SGU forums to allow those links on their website are questions that would be expensive to get answered.


Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on April 10, 2017, 12:10:08 PM
About 2 eps in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okkupert

Occupation in English. Reminds me a bit of A Very British Coup. In the not too distant future, the USA has pulled out of NATO and the EU has had to cozy up more to Russia. Norway's green party has won. It's shut down oil production and is going long in thorium reactors. But there's an energy crisis and a somewhat unholy alliance between the EU and Russia moves to get Norway to turn the oil tap on again. A very subtle exploration of how Russia can rather quietly isolate and take over a nation.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 12, 2017, 01:00:56 AM
You are being a jerk

you're being a childish emotional doo-doo head.

reasoned arguments only, please.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on April 12, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
You are being a jerk

you're being a childish emotional doo-doo head.

reasoned arguments only, please.

Since when is that a rule, and didn't you just violate it? In my post my assessment was followed by reasoned arguments.

Not yours.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 13, 2017, 07:55:41 PM
In my post my assessment was followed by reasoned arguments.

oh yea? less of a douchebag would've put that up front where someone was more likely to read that.

I only got as far as troll username and douchy contraintellectual comment. you undermined your own image as someone who might have something to say worth reading, so don't be surprised if I didn't bother.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on April 13, 2017, 10:04:14 PM
In my post my assessment was followed by reasoned arguments.

oh yea? less of a douchebag would've put that up front where someone was more likely to read that.

I only got as far as troll username and douchy contraintellectual comment. you undermined your own image as someone who might have something to say worth reading, so don't be surprised if I didn't bother.

That was your loss this time. I'll take your comments into consideration
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: ScepticalBadger on April 15, 2017, 07:55:36 PM
So to get back on topic:
I just finished watching "The Expanse"  Really good.  Excellent story line.  Good production values and good characters.  Only bit that bothered me was some of the Zero G CGI and ship Physics was a bit off, which for some reason, I am super picky about.  The movie Gravity really pissed me off.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: SkeptiQueer on April 15, 2017, 09:03:12 PM
The new MST3K is exactly what I wanted. Enough of the classic flavor to keep me on board, some new stuff that kept it from being the exact same.

Felicia Day is a goddess.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: PANTS! on April 15, 2017, 09:16:00 PM
So to get back on topic:
I just finished watching "The Expanse"  Really good.  Excellent story line.  Good production values and good characters.  Only bit that bothered me was some of the Zero G CGI and ship Physics was a bit off, which for some reason, I am super picky about.  The movie Gravity really pissed me off.

Its not done yet.  But I agree.  This season is really great sci fi.  Also Amos is totally every character one guy in our gaming group always makes..  Right down to the orphan trauma, and the tendency to beat the fuck out of everyone.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Gerbig on April 16, 2017, 06:46:14 PM
High Maintenance

Hulu Plus show I think? It's only six episodes long, but it's really well done. It follows a weed dealer delivering weed to all his different clients. But it plays like high art. The weed dealer, along with all of his customers, are written as complex, realistic, dynamic characters with dimensions to spare. It's as if the show is six different vignettes on briefly meeting fascinating people. The types of characters they have in this show are all interesting on their own merit, where you want to know more about them and talk to them, very well written and acted.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 16, 2017, 07:00:47 PM
High Maintenance

Hulu Plus show I think? It's only six episodes long, but it's really well done. It follows a weed dealer delivering weed to all his different clients. But it plays like high art. The weed dealer, along with all of his customers, are written as complex, realistic, dynamic characters with dimensions to spare. It's as if the show is six different vignettes on briefly meeting fascinating people. The types of characters they have in this show are all interesting on their own merit, where you want to know more about them and talk to them, very well written and acted.

It's an HBO show. Originally was put out as shorts on Vimeo.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on April 17, 2017, 12:14:31 PM
The new MST3K is exactly what I wanted. Enough of the classic flavor to keep me on board, some new stuff that kept it from being the exact same.

Felicia Day is a goddess.

Felicia Day is a goddess. And indeed, binged watched MST3K's new season. It's as good as the old days. It's like they never took a break.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on April 17, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
Really enjoying the new MST3K as well.  I'm about halfway through and very much love it.

Some of the movies aren't too bad, but OMG Starcrash has to be objectively one of the worst movies ever.  Just outright horrible.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: drwfishesman on April 19, 2017, 01:46:03 PM
Legion everyone! LEGION!!!!!!!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on April 20, 2017, 03:09:07 AM
Legion everyone! LEGION!!!!!!!
I couldn't get through the first minute. will have to give it another go.

same with Antichrist (movie, not TV)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on April 20, 2017, 09:46:15 AM
Legion everyone! LEGION!!!!!!!
I couldn't get through the first minute. will have to give it another go.

same with Antichrist (movie, not TV)
Antichrist, I hated every minute but couldn't look away.   I read a review of it afterwards in which the critic suggested the directed just wanted to antagonize the audience.  I cant' discount that theory.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on April 21, 2017, 03:07:53 PM
Really enjoying the new MST3K as well.  I'm about halfway through and very much love it.

Some of the movies aren't too bad, but OMG Starcrash has to be objectively one of the worst movies ever.  Just outright horrible.

I saw Starcrash way way back. One might be forgiven if you watched it and thought "oh MST3K is doing a 80s soft core porn movie with all the nudity edited out." No. This is the way we made movies back then.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on April 24, 2017, 08:51:44 AM
Finished Occupation on Netflix. I really enjoyed it. Not sure why it got such lousy reviews on netflix. The thing was made in 2015 but seems almost like a commentary on today. The only issue I have with it is the story isn't wrapped up in season 1. Clearly they saw this as going a couple seasons. It does, however, appear they will be making a season 2.

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Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: seamas on April 24, 2017, 03:49:07 PM
Bill Nye Saves the World

Fun show. My kids (10 & 12) are fans. We introduced them to his old show some time ago and they love it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: werecow on May 02, 2017, 12:34:06 AM
So, I binge watched all of 13 Reasons Why (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1837492/) tonight, based off a meme I posted some days ago. I admit that I am have been in a somewhat emotional state recently, and I did drink a few beers while binge watching this, but man... There's something emotionally destructive about this series. It didn't quite hit me until the final episode, though. I've shed a few manly/bullish tears during a few movies and selected episodes of several TV series, and I'm not sure if it was this series per sé (though it was definitely one of the best "teen drama" series I've seen), but something about the last episode of this one made me pretty much just weep uncontrollably... Multiple times. Left me feeling entirely powerless. Could just be my state of mind, but I can't not mention it here in good conscience knowing that this thread exists. Reminded me a bit of Veronica Mars meets  Life Is Strange (video game), but more emo than the former and less emo than the latter, with less sleuthing but with a similar amount of mystery. And maybe a bit of Paper Towns, as well, but more depressing. The characters (and writing and acting) are excellent. It also has one of the most
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If you hate (teen/high school/depressive) drama, skip it. Otherwise, I can't really imagine how they could have improved on it.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on May 02, 2017, 08:31:45 AM
Handmaid's Tale? I've read the book and saw the movie. It's pretty okay so far.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on May 02, 2017, 09:28:52 AM
So, I binge watched all of 13 Reasons Why (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1837492/) tonight, based off a meme I posted some days ago. I admit that I am have been in a somewhat emotional state recently, and I did drink a few beers while binge watching this, but man... There's something emotionally destructive about this series. It didn't quite hit me until the final episode, though. I've shed a few manly/bullish tears during a few movies and selected episodes of several TV series, and I'm not sure if it was this series per sé (though it was definitely one of the best "teen drama" series I've seen), but something about the last episode of this one made me pretty much just weep uncontrollably... Multiple times. Left me feeling entirely powerless. Could just be my state of mind, but I can't not mention it here in good conscience knowing that this thread exists. Reminded me a bit of Veronica Mars meets  Life Is Strange (video game), but more emo than the former and less emo than the latter, with less sleuthing but with a similar amount of mystery. And maybe a bit of Paper Towns, as well, but more depressing. The characters (and writing and acting) are excellent. It also has one of the most
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If you hate (teen/high school/depressive) drama, skip it. Otherwise, I can't really imagine how they could have improved on it.

The acting got better to the point where you forget how it started, but man.. some of those teenagers were awful at the beginning. I think if you watch the first few episodes again you'll cringe from some of the dialogue and how it's delivered.

I stopped watching after a few episodes only because I'd  have to torrent them since I don't have the CW (and I generally HATE the CW) but Riverdale seemed really promising. Similar dark depressive teen drama, but more fantastical since the characters are based on the Archie comics.
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Post by: werecow on May 02, 2017, 10:34:16 AM
The acting got better to the point where you forget how it started, but man.. some of those teenagers were awful at the beginning. I think if you watch the first few episodes again you'll cringe from some of the dialogue and how it's delivered.

It may just be the fact that I'm not a native English speaker (though I usually notice), but I didn't notice anything like that at all.

EDIT: Just to add, I just clicked through the first episode a bit to see what you're referring to, but other than the dialogue being intentionally awkward because the characters are awkward, I don't get it at all.
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Post by: Henning on May 02, 2017, 11:20:14 AM
Handmaid's Tale? I've read the book and saw the movie. It's pretty okay so far.



I'm waiting anxiously for it.
It's a little pat and 'young adult' and I wish there wasn't narration, but I love a good dystopia. I get off on the weird world-building details like proxy-birthing and partici-cution. I wish there were more of those.
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Post by: mindme on May 02, 2017, 12:22:57 PM
I love the proxy birth. So fucking creepy. Even more creepy, Mormon cult leader Warren Jeffs did much the same thing. Only certain men were deemed worth to continue their lines. Married couples had to arrange the services of one of these men...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/us/polygamist-flds-warren-jeffs-update/

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Post by: mindme on May 08, 2017, 08:32:49 AM
The women's trial in ep 3 was pretty disturbing. The "other army" bit reminds me of those yahoos that turn out with their AR15 and solider boy outfits at events. Atwood makes the point that there's nothing in Handmaid's Tale that hasn't already happened in society.

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Post by: PANTS! on May 18, 2017, 12:46:32 PM
The Good Place. 

Holy motherforking shirtballs is this a great show.  And it is impossible to understand how great until you watch the whole season at least twice.  I can not say more, other than you are welcome forknuts.
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Post by: Ah.hell on May 18, 2017, 12:48:43 PM
never mind
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Post by: Harry Black on May 18, 2017, 02:09:27 PM
The Good Place. 

Holy motherforking shirtballs is this a great show.  And it is impossible to understand how great until you watch the whole season at least twice.  I can not say more, other than you are welcome forknuts.
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100% agree. Im setting aside time for a second viewing and praying for a second season.

Also- Djamila Djamal: Djesus Christ that woman is beautiful.
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Post by: Gerbig on May 18, 2017, 05:55:55 PM
The Good Place. 

Holy motherforking shirtballs is this a great show.  And it is impossible to understand how great until you watch the whole season at least twice.  I can not say more, other than you are welcome forknuts.
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Kristen Bell! Im sold, watching the first season today
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Post by: Gerbig on May 18, 2017, 05:56:45 PM
Double post, please delete
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Post by: werecow on May 18, 2017, 07:17:23 PM
Kristen Bell! Im sold, watching the first season today

My Veronica Mars boxset just arrived today. }|:o)
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Post by: Gerbig on May 18, 2017, 08:28:39 PM
On "The Good Place"
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Post by: Louie on May 21, 2017, 08:09:17 AM
The Good Place. 

Holy motherforking shirtballs is this a great show.  And it is impossible to understand how great until you watch the whole season at least twice.  I can not say more, other than you are welcome forknuts.
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100% agree. Im setting aside time for a second viewing and praying for a second season.

Also- Djamila Djamal: Djesus Christ that woman is beautiful.

I've just discovered this show thanks to this thread, so... thanks! A very pleasant surprise. And yes, Jamil is ridiculously delicious. I mean, there should be a law.
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Post by: superdave on May 21, 2017, 09:40:34 AM
One of Kristen Bells talents is that she can just cast off ugly vibes when the character calls for it, despite her physical beauty.  She is just gross in some of the flashback sequences.
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Post by: jt512 on May 23, 2017, 04:07:16 AM
The Good Place. 

Holy motherforking shirtballs is this a great show.  And it is impossible to understand how great until you watch the whole season at least twice.  I can not say more, other than you are welcome forknuts.

Started watching this show based on your recommendation, and it is really delightful.  Basically, the Bell and Danson show.  Am having a little difficulty believing that I won't get it until I watch the whole season twice, but we'll see.
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Post by: PANTS! on May 23, 2017, 10:01:17 AM
The Good Place. 

Holy motherforking shirtballs is this a great show.  And it is impossible to understand how great until you watch the whole season at least twice.  I can not say more, other than you are welcome forknuts.

Started watching this show based on your recommendation, and it is really delightful.  Basically, the Bell and Danson show.  Am having a little difficulty believing that I won't get it until I watch the whole season twice, but we'll see.

You'll see.  I mean I was in for the whole run, for sure, but not until the final show did I see why it really needed at least one rewatch. 

As for the Bell and Danson show, yes, but as you get deeper into the season William Jackson Harper, D'Arcy Carden and Jameela Jamil really step up and shine.  And to a lesser extent Manny Jacinto gets good in the last two episodes, but given the character he is playing that may not be his fault. 

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Post by: werecow on May 23, 2017, 04:27:31 PM
The Good Place. 

Holy motherforking shirtballs is this a great show.  And it is impossible to understand how great until you watch the whole season at least twice.  I can not say more, other than you are welcome forknuts.

Started watching this show based on your recommendation, and it is really delightful.  Basically, the Bell and Danson show.  Am having a little difficulty believing that I won't get it until I watch the whole season twice, but we'll see.

Just finished it... Fun show, the tone reminded me a bit of Eureka or Warehouse 13.
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Post by: superdave on May 23, 2017, 05:10:14 PM
Just watched the pilot of the original Twin Peaks.  Really loved it.  It still felt very fresh and modern, I'd have believed you if you told me it was a modern show set in the early 90s.  I loved the way the pilot introduced the characters and set up the mystery  The characters were amazingly fleshed out in a very short amount of time.  It felt very Stephen King (in a good way)  Looking forward to watching more.
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Post by: werecow on May 24, 2017, 07:35:00 AM
Just watched the pilot of the original Twin Peaks.  Really loved it.  It still felt very fresh and modern, I'd have believed you if you told me it was a modern show set in the early 90s.  I loved the way the pilot introduced the characters and set up the mystery  The characters were amazingly fleshed out in a very short amount of time.  It felt very Stephen King (in a good way)  Looking forward to watching more.

And I'll plug the new Twin Peaks here as well, even though I had some mixed feelings (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,48094.msg9499358.html#msg9499358) about the first few episodes due to it not catering enough to my sense of nostalgia. It's still one of the most interesting shows I know of. Might be slightly unwatchable if you haven't seen the original series, though (unless you're a huge David Lynch fan), and it's got a lot more of Lynch's surreal style in it.
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Post by: mindme on May 24, 2017, 08:38:48 AM
That Twin Peaks music was a real throwback.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 31, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
This season of The Americans is absolutely heart breaking.
I dont often get into drama but this hits me for some reason.
The tragedy of a duped patsy forced to defect and live out her life knowing that she was chosen precisely because she was lonely and had low self esteem.
Parents agonising over the effects of their choices on the happiness of their children
The main characters developing compassion and a desire not to cause any more pain than than they need to.

Its hard to watch but really well played out.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on May 31, 2017, 06:03:44 PM
This season of The Americans is absolutely heart breaking.
I dont often get into drama but this hits me for some reason.
The tragedy of a duped patsy forced to defect and live out her life knowing that she was chosen precisely because she was lonely and had low self esteem.
Parents agonising over the effects of their choices on the happiness of their children
The main characters developing compassion and a desire not to cause any more pain than than they need to.

Its hard to watch but really well played out.

God, Martha looks terrible, doesn't she?

It seems like everybody in the whole series is feeling betrayed.  I half expect Paige to become a Soviet spy and Phillip and Elizabeth to become "real" Americans. 

I'm a couple episodes behind; I like listening to the podcast after each show for interviews with the actors and crew.  https://player.fm/series/the-americans-podcast
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Post by: Harry Black on May 31, 2017, 07:10:54 PM
Martha is and always has been the thorn in my heart with this show.
That actress is so good and the writing is so sharp.
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Post by: CarbShark on June 02, 2017, 11:59:26 PM
"Line of Duty" a drama from Northern Ireland revolving around a police Anti-Corruption unit (Internal Affairs, in the US).

Brilliant. Just noticed the fourth season had dropped on Hulu and watched all six episodes in three nights.

It doesn't seem as polished, at first, as most American or British crime dramas do, but it really picks up the pace as it moves along. (The third season is not as strong as the rest but the fourth is top notch. I'm hoping for a fifth).

The first season features Lennie James (Morgan, from "Walking Dead") in a central role.

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Post by: EgeneBlankenship on June 03, 2017, 08:46:07 AM
 Better Call Saul and Fargo are good shows I look forward to watching in every week.
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 03, 2017, 08:49:09 AM
I keep looking for ep 8 of Saul
what happened?
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Post by: EgeneBlankenship on June 03, 2017, 04:09:50 PM
I keep looking for ep 8 of Saul
what happened?

I think they took break for American holiday Memorial Day, for whatever reason.
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Post by: Neutral Milk on June 03, 2017, 07:48:07 PM
I keep looking for ep 8 of Saul
what happened?

If you're ever curious about a show that's currently airing and when new episodes will come out you can use imdb:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3032476/episodes?ref_=tt_ov_epl
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Post by: Tassie Dave on June 03, 2017, 08:40:39 PM
I keep looking for ep 8 of Saul
what happened?

If you're ever curious about a show that's currently airing and when new episodes will come out you can use imdb:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3032476/episodes?ref_=tt_ov_epl

I use an App on my iPad that gives me an alert when my favourite shows are about to air and also shows when the next episode(s), (even if months away), will air.
It works for most TV programmes world wide.

It also keeps a list of your shows and the individual episodes you haven't watched yet. Until you mark them as watched.

There are many Apps of this type available for IOS, Android and also web based.

This is the one I use. iTV Shows 3
http://www.itvshowsapp.com/
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Post by: Neutral Milk on June 03, 2017, 09:49:12 PM
Nice! Good idea!

This is overall less of an issue now that streaming services save where you are, but there are still shows I wait for week to week, so this is useful.
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Post by: GodSlayer on June 04, 2017, 09:08:44 AM
I keep looking for ep 8 of Saul
what happened?

If you're ever curious about a show that's currently airing and when new episodes will come out you can use imdb:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3032476/episodes?ref_=tt_ov_epl

I use an App on my iPad that gives me an alert when my favourite shows are about to air and also shows when the next episode(s), (even if months away), will air.
It works for most TV programmes world wide.

It also keeps a list of your shows and the individual episodes you haven't watched yet. Until you mark them as watched.

There are many Apps of this type available for IOS, Android and also web based.

This is the one I use. iTV Shows 3
http://www.itvshowsapp.com/

I don't wifi my phone enough. would be good to have something like this but with email alerts instead. what's the kind of keyword you'd use for a web-based one?
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Post by: Tassie Dave on June 05, 2017, 03:00:38 AM
I keep looking for ep 8 of Saul
what happened?

If you're ever curious about a show that's currently airing and when new episodes will come out you can use imdb:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3032476/episodes?ref_=tt_ov_epl

I use an App on my iPad that gives me an alert when my favourite shows are about to air and also shows when the next episode(s), (even if months away), will air.
It works for most TV programmes world wide.

It also keeps a list of your shows and the individual episodes you haven't watched yet. Until you mark them as watched.

There are many Apps of this type available for IOS, Android and also web based.

This is the one I use. iTV Shows 3
http://www.itvshowsapp.com/

I don't wifi my phone enough. would be good to have something like this but with email alerts instead. what's the kind of keyword you'd use for a web-based one?

There are a few good web based ones. I don't know if they do email alerts though.  ???

https://www.trackseries.tv/
https://trakt.tv/
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Henning on June 14, 2017, 08:45:22 PM
I'm enjoying the heck out of The Good Place.
Thanks for the rec, whoever that was.  :love:


ETA: Ah, Pants! and HarryBlack
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Post by: Tassie Dave on June 15, 2017, 12:52:36 AM
I'm enjoying the heck out of The Good Place.
Thanks for the rec, whoever that was.  :love:


ETA: Ah, Pants! and HarryBlack

Ditto.  8) If I'd have heard about the concept outside this forum, I would have dismissed it as "not for me"

But I was pleasantly surprised.

I don't mean this as a 'dis' (because there are many US comedies I like), but it has a very British comedy feel to it.
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Post by: Boßel on June 16, 2017, 07:12:58 PM
Master of None

I just adore this show. So charming and relatable.

It was tough though that Francesca, in season 2, looks almost identical to my ex. We had similar chemistry.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on June 19, 2017, 12:03:05 AM
Twin Peaks is back, and it is good.

Caveat: S3 is unfettered David Lynch.
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Post by: werecow on June 19, 2017, 07:49:32 AM
Caveat: S3 is unfettered David Lynch.

Yes... It's so nakedly Lynchian that it's like he took off his skin and now you can see his insides.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on June 19, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
I lived David Lynch whistling in front of a poster of a nuclear explosion.
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Post by: werecow on June 19, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
I still have some mixed feelings about the new Twin Peaks. As a David Lynch fan I totally love it. I'm really enjoying it in all it's Lynchian bizarritude, and it's amazing that this exists and they left him this much freedom to do with it what he wanted. As a Twin Peaks fan, though, I really miss the thick jazzy synthesizer music and the theme of dark nights among the pine trees, the references to old characters feel a bit too much like very brief snippets of fan service, and the upbeat quirky comic relief and weird soap drama could be turned up a notch.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on June 19, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
The highlight so far of Twin Peaks. Michael Cera as Wally doing Marlon Brando  ;D
It is cringe worthy, but very Twins Peak. Robert Forster's dead pan reactions and shake of the head at the end are priceless  8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AeANz2ndM8

There are still some very Lynchian moments that have me shaking my head and WTF-ing and I am starting to get sick of the Douggie storyline. They have dragged that out for way too long.
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Post by: werecow on June 19, 2017, 06:08:45 PM
The highlight so far of Twin Peaks. Michael Cera as Wally doing Marlon Brando  ;D
It is cringe worthy, but very Twins Peak. Robert Forster's dead pan reactions and shake of the head at the end are priceless  8)

Yeah... I've seen multiple reviews that hated that scene, but the awkward weirdness of it, the dialogue and the delivery were very reminiscent of the original series and I loved it for that reason. Probably the closest it's come to capturing the feel of the old series, other than the brief moment where Bobby looks at a picture of Laura and her theme kicks in for a few seconds.
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Post by: Henning on June 23, 2017, 01:47:14 AM
The highlight so far of Twin Peaks. Michael Cera as Wally doing Marlon Brando  ;D
It is cringe worthy, but very Twins Peak. Robert Forster's dead pan reactions and shake of the head at the end are priceless  8)

Yeah... I've seen multiple reviews that hated that scene, but the awkward weirdness of it, the dialogue and the delivery were very reminiscent of the original series and I loved it for that reason. Probably the closest it's come to capturing the feel of the old series, other than the brief moment where Bobby looks at a picture of Laura and her theme kicks in for a few seconds.

You know who he sounds like to me? Kumail Nanjiani from Silicon Valley.
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Post by: Jerry the J on June 25, 2017, 01:49:53 PM
The number one very best TV show (series) ever made is:

NORTHERN EXPOSURE

numbers 2 thru ~ are up for debate, but Northern Exposure is NUMERO UNO
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Post by: werecow on June 25, 2017, 03:42:25 PM
The number one very best TV show (series) ever made is:

NORTHERN EXPOSURE

numbers 2 thru ~ are up for debate, but Northern Exposure is NUMERO UNO

I love Northern Exposure - though I'd have to say Twin Peaks is probably my nr. 1.
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Post by: wastrel on June 25, 2017, 03:55:12 PM
The number one very best TV show (series) ever made is:

NORTHERN EXPOSURE

numbers 2 thru ~ are up for debate, but Northern Exposure is NUMERO UNO

I love Northern Exposure - though I'd have to say Twin Peaks is probably my nr. 1.

It's weird, I've always lumped those two together in my head, even though they are dramatically different.
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Post by: Ah.hell on June 25, 2017, 04:22:24 PM
The number one very best TV show (series) ever made is:

NORTHERN EXPOSURE

numbers 2 thru ~ are up for debate, but Northern Exposure is NUMERO UNO

I love Northern Exposure - though I'd have to say Twin Peaks is probably my nr. 1.

It's weird, I've always lumped those two together in my head, even though they are dramatically different.
On air at roughly the same time and centered on quirky communities in the far north/west.  One is a more comedic take on the situation thought.  Oh, also the protagonist of each is the fish out water big city guy.  They also both straddled the line between comedy and drama.  Twin Peaks being much more the black comedy and drama where NE was more straight forward comedy with a format and occasional plot lines more typical of dramas.  The quirkiness and being so different from anything else on at the time is why they are linked in my mind.

Northern Exposure wins for me.  It has one the greatest scenes in TV.   After maggies boyfriend is hit by a fallen satellite the conversation over his body is hilarious, also shot from the satellite/corpse's perspective.
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Post by: werecow on June 25, 2017, 09:01:10 PM
The number one very best TV show (series) ever made is:

NORTHERN EXPOSURE

numbers 2 thru ~ are up for debate, but Northern Exposure is NUMERO UNO

I love Northern Exposure - though I'd have to say Twin Peaks is probably my nr. 1.

It's weird, I've always lumped those two together in my head, even though they are dramatically different.

A lot of people did. NE even makes fun of the comparison by having some characters visit the Twin Peaks waterfall and talk about watching the log lady through the overlook binoculars in one of the episodes.
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Post by: Henning on July 09, 2017, 08:29:34 PM
No GLOW yet?
C'mon slackers, it's great.

(http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/glow-netflix-poster-teaser.jpg?quality=100&w=650)
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Post by: mindme on July 10, 2017, 08:19:08 AM
GLOW starts of kind of uneven but about half way through it's firing on all cylinders.
 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ambious on July 15, 2017, 06:19:31 PM
Rewatching Star Trek: TNG.
Darmok is probably one of the best written episodes of any TV show ever.

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Post by: superdave on July 17, 2017, 07:28:44 PM
Rewatching Star Trek: TNG.
Darmok is probably one of the best written episodes of any TV show ever.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

Just rewatched that recently, totally agree.  I remember that episode blowing my mind as a kid.
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Post by: werecow on August 06, 2017, 08:25:56 PM
The Handmaid's Tale (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5834204/): OK, so I've only watched the pilot (and the original movie) so far, but it looks and feels excellent. That is, it's beautifully shot and the repressive atmosphere is palpable.
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Post by: Neutral Milk on August 06, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
The Handmaid's Tale (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5834204/): OK, so I've only watched the pilot (and the original movie) so far, but it looks and feels excellent. That is, it's beautifully shot and the repressive atmosphere is palpable.

That seems pretty premature to put on this list.

Unfortunately not enough happens in the plot of the show. There's a lot of character development, the acting is great, and it's beautifully shot, but it's ultimately unsatisfying. Hopefully they pick up the pace in season 2.
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Post by: Nemmzy on August 06, 2017, 10:32:55 PM
The Handmaid's Tale (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5834204/): OK, so I've only watched the pilot (and the original movie) so far, but it looks and feels excellent. That is, it's beautifully shot and the repressive atmosphere is palpable.

Please repost your thoughts when you get a few episodes in. I am thinking of picking up Hulu because the book is by far my favorite dystopia novel. But, I already have Amazon and Netflix.
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Post by: bimble on August 07, 2017, 11:34:24 AM
The Handmaid's Tale (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5834204/): OK, so I've only watched the pilot (and the original movie) so far, but it looks and feels excellent. That is, it's beautifully shot and the repressive atmosphere is palpable.

That seems pretty premature to put on this list.

Unfortunately not enough happens in the plot of the show. There's a lot of character development, the acting is great, and it's beautifully shot, but it's ultimately unsatisfying. Hopefully they pick up the pace in season 2.

There's going to be a second season?!? I can only assume therefore it's a Peter Jackson 'Hobbit' job, more based upon the book than the book's story... because it's not a long book.

I will admit, I stopped watching as it was terribly slow, and I was disappointed that they felt the need to give us Offred's real name which was something purposely not revealed in the book.
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Post by: Ah.hell on August 07, 2017, 12:05:27 PM
Have I ever mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Off_Ted?

Office place comedy in a giant corporation.  The main character is a middle manager of a research and development team.  The company's motto is latin for "money before people".

There's an episode where the company installs facial recognition software to open doors and activate drinking fountains.  The software doesn't recognize black people so they install separate fountains.
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Post by: PANTS! on August 07, 2017, 12:38:07 PM
Have I ever mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Off_Ted?

Office place comedy in a giant corporation.  The main character is a middle manager of a research and development team.  The company's motto is latin for "money before people".

There's an episode where the company installs facial recognition software to open doors and activate drinking fountains.  The software doesn't recognize black people so they install separate fountains.

I love that show so much - So glad we got a second season.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 07, 2017, 01:08:11 PM
Have I ever mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Off_Ted?

Office place comedy in a giant corporation.  The main character is a middle manager of a research and development team.  The company's motto is latin for "money before people".

There's an episode where the company installs facial recognition software to open doors and activate drinking fountains.  The software doesn't recognize black people so they install separate fountains.
I am practically fist fighting my friend to make him watch this.
He keeps dodging even though he lost a bet and is actually obliged to watch it.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on August 08, 2017, 05:13:55 AM
I am only 2 episodes in but if you liked "Breaking Bad" then "Ozark" might be worth trying.
All 10 episodes are available on Netflix.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5071412/

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Bateman portrays financial planner Marty Byrde, and Laura Linney portrays his wife Wendy. Marty suddenly relocates the family from a Chicago suburb to a summer resort community in the Missouri Ozarks after a money laundering scheme goes wrong, and he must pay off a debt to a Mexican drug lord.

Things quickly take a very dark turn in the Pilot.
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Post by: moj on August 08, 2017, 10:13:21 AM
I am only 2 episodes in but if you liked "Breaking Bad" then "Ozark" might be worth trying.
All 10 episodes are available on Netflix.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5071412/

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Bateman portrays financial planner Marty Byrde, and Laura Linney portrays his wife Wendy. Marty suddenly relocates the family from a Chicago suburb to a summer resort community in the Missouri Ozarks after a money laundering scheme goes wrong, and he must pay off a debt to a Mexican drug lord.

Things quickly take a very dark turn in the Pilot.

We just finished Ozarks last night and really enjoyed it. Very well done all around.

ETA: my wifes parents have a house on the Ozarks and like seeing that area getting a little TV time. Not all the lake is that seedy.
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Post by: petrolpetal on August 09, 2017, 12:38:32 PM
Is anyone else just adoring The Trailer Park Boys like I am? There are some scenes that I literally can't think of without LOL-ing. Parody at its very
best.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 10, 2017, 09:42:43 AM
Is anyone else just adoring The Trailer Park Boys like I am? There are some scenes that I literally can't think of without LOL-ing. Parody at its very
best.
I loved the movie, I really must give the show a second chance.
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Post by: petrolpetal on August 10, 2017, 09:43:56 AM
Is anyone else just adoring The Trailer Park Boys like I am? There are some scenes that I literally can't think of without LOL-ing. Parody at its very
best.
I loved the movie, I really must give the show a second chance.

Didn't know there was a movie!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 10, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Is anyone else just adoring The Trailer Park Boys like I am? There are some scenes that I literally can't think of without LOL-ing. Parody at its very
best.
I loved the movie, I really must give the show a second chance.

Didn't know there was a movie!
Yep!
Its awesome!
Trailer Park Boys: The Movie https://g.co/kgs/tbmebd
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Post by: MikeHz on August 11, 2017, 11:30:26 AM
Is anyone else just adoring The Trailer Park Boys like I am? There are some scenes that I literally can't think of without LOL-ing. Parody at its very
best.

Watched three episodes last night. Each one is much the same. Sort of like Greek theater. Best viewed under...certain conditions.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: petrolpetal on August 11, 2017, 02:11:19 PM
Is anyone else just adoring The Trailer Park Boys like I am? There are some scenes that I literally can't think of without LOL-ing. Parody at its very
best.

Watched three episodes last night. Each one is much the same. Sort of like Greek theater. Best viewed under...certain conditions.

Yup. I gotta agree with you on that!
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Post by: Harry Black on August 11, 2017, 02:53:11 PM
Im binging Patriot from Amazon.
Its a really well made and intricate show with a great sombre soundtrack about a CIA agent suffering from PTSD and depression who is drawn back to go undercover by his dad at an engineering firm to prevent the Iranian nuclear program in 2012.
The brazeness of the characters actions and the body count are not very realistic but its really funny and enjoyable and interesting with a great cast.
Only 10 episodes.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 11, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
I loved Patriot.

I was expecting a rehash of The Americans and got The Americans meets Burn After Reading and loved it. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on August 11, 2017, 03:45:05 PM
I loved Patriot.

I was expecting a rehash of The Americans and got The Americans meets Burn After Reading and loved it.
Great description!

Edit- Just finished it! I need a season 2!!
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Post by: Neutral Milk on August 12, 2017, 12:34:28 AM
Thirded on patriot. One of my favorite shows of the year (whatever year that was.. last one? this one?)
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Post by: Harry Black on August 12, 2017, 07:34:55 AM
Thirded on patriot. One of my favorite shows of the year (whatever year that was.. last one? this one?)
2015?!!
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt4687882/
How did I miss this?
Season 2 is out next year!
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 12, 2017, 07:47:30 AM
IDMB's date's a bit misleading.  Pilot was late 2015, season 1 was early 2017.  Amazon does this thing where they release pilots and issue season orders based on performance.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: werecow on August 17, 2017, 09:39:59 PM
The Handmaid's Tale (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5834204/): OK, so I've only watched the pilot (and the original movie) so far, but it looks and feels excellent. That is, it's beautifully shot and the repressive atmosphere is palpable.

Please repost your thoughts when you get a few episodes in. I am thinking of picking up Hulu because the book is by far my favorite dystopia novel. But, I already have Amazon and Netflix.

I guess I must be alone, given what others have said on this thread, but after watching the whole season, I stand by my original assessment. This show belongs in this thread.

Sure, it's slow and understated, but that's part of the beauty of it. As I said before, it's one of the best looking shows on TV. It's also one of the better acted, and it's well written. There have been a lot dystopian shows and movies during the past few years (maybe too many), but this is the only one I can think of that actually feels realistic. They focus on world building in this, and they really try to show what life under a totalitarian theocracy might be like for those at the bottom of society. The whole series feels repressed and repressive, and the slow pace actually contributes to that feeling in a significant way. Sure, you keep hoping for the handmaids to gang up and tear some limbs off aunt Lydia, as you would ache to do if you were in their position, but obviously that isn't going to happen, because it just wouldn't happen in real life. The characters and writing are pretty true-to-life. The small acts of defiance that occur throughout the show are just about what you'd expect from people in real life. I think I kinda get why others found the first season unsatisfying; the lack of satisfying moments is again part of the repressed feel of the series. You don't get a lot of satisfaction when you're living as a slave under a fundamentalist religious totalitarian dictatorship. Still, if you knew the book or the original movie, you probably had an idea of roughly what you were getting into, so you'd know this was never going to be a big action series with grand dramatic moments of gung ho heroism. We don't need yet another show like that anyway. But to say that "not a lot happens" kinda depends on what you're looking for - I actually thought a fair amount of stuff happens, it's just that most of it is rather subtle. But focusing on action is missing the point of what they're trying to do anyway.
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Post by: Jerry the J on August 19, 2017, 03:32:30 AM
The EPIX series Get Shorty

I caught the first three episodes and am rather liking it.
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Post by: mindme on August 21, 2017, 11:15:10 AM
Ozarks was pretty good. A worth series to dip into if you loved Breaking Bad. Has a certain GoT quality in that they seem to kill some key characters. A few times I was like "oh, I didn't expect him to go. Or him."
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Post by: fuzzyMarmot on September 03, 2017, 08:06:40 PM
Insecure's second season is outstanding. By far my favorite show on TV right now.
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Post by: Harry Black on September 26, 2017, 08:04:39 PM
The Night Of
Fucking incredible writing and acting.

Its like a spiritual successor to The Wire in many ways, but better.
The 'procedural' description put me off but its really so much more.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: werecow on September 26, 2017, 08:45:51 PM
Watching Penny Dreadful (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2628232/) right now. Halfway through season 2. Very well made. Head and shoulders above most other horror-ish TV series. Some of the episodes feel like a high budget horror/fantasy movie. Eva Green is especially excellent.
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Post by: John Albert on September 26, 2017, 09:04:02 PM
The Night Of
Fucking incredible writing and acting.

Its like a spiritual successor to The Wire in many ways, but better.
The 'procedural' description put me off but its really so much more.

Yes. This show is very good. Not better than The Wire in my opinion, but very close.
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Post by: mindme on September 27, 2017, 10:19:42 AM
Ditto on The Night Of.
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Post by: Rai on September 28, 2017, 04:00:07 AM
Outlander is currently seriously amazing and getting better and better with every season
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Post by: Boßel on October 01, 2017, 08:06:15 AM
Just got into The Good Place.

I love it. I can't stop watching it
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Post by: superdave on October 01, 2017, 11:04:04 AM
the good place season 2, I don't think I've ever seen a show start a season off this strong.  These were absolutely crazy good.  But don't watch unless you saw season 1 first!
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on October 01, 2017, 11:12:52 AM
Definitely, they hit the ground running. 

The Good Place - 10/10 for a 'light and pleasant' half hour comedy.  S1 is on Netflix and S2's airing now.  I went in blind and found the whole thing a pleasant surprise. 
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Post by: superdave on October 01, 2017, 11:46:31 AM
I think what i love most about the good place is that the characters are smart.  and smart for real, not just TV smart.  They put together actual clues and come to conclusions based on evidence.  It's not like other shows where the smart character just magically bullshits something there was no reason to believe is true and then turns out to be right.
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Post by: Boßel on October 01, 2017, 11:53:37 AM
Can't forking wait to start season 2
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Post by: moj on October 12, 2017, 09:33:35 AM
Orphan black. Yes I know we are late to the party on this one. We are midway through season 3 and still enjoying it.
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Post by: CarbShark on October 12, 2017, 06:54:14 PM
Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Good god does this show deserve more attention. 

Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency Returns for a second season...

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Samuel Barnett returns as Douglas Adams’ eccentric gumshoe in Season 2, which opens with a depressed Dirk trapped in the sinister government organization known as Blackwing. Meanwhile, his companions Todd and Farah (Elijah Wood, Jade Eshete) are fugitives from the law, heading to tiny Bergsberg, Mont., in search of their friend. Bart (Fiona Dourif) likewise is drawn for other reasons to the same locale, where bizarre events are starting to manifest themselves. Alan Tudyk and Amanda Walsh join the cast this season.
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“Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency” (Season Premiere) “Space Rabbit” Todd and Farah are on the run, and in search of Dirk; Bart's search for Ken takes her to Montana, where unexplainable events are taking place. (N) Sunday 9 p.m. BBC America
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Post by: werecow on October 12, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
Orphan black. Yes I know we are late to the party on this one. We are midway through season 3 and still enjoying it.

I'm not sure if I'd put this in my "very best" category, but it's certainly entertaining, and Tatiana Maslany manages to convincingly portray an impressive number of very different personalities.
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Post by: mindme on October 13, 2017, 12:09:49 PM
I'm happy Elijah Wood is back in DGHDA. I thought maybe the gimmick might be each season another big movie star plays the unwitting Dirk companion.
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Post by: starnado on October 13, 2017, 12:28:42 PM
Dirk Gently woo hoo! Love that show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on October 15, 2017, 03:42:07 AM
I am 40 minutes into the first episode of Netflix's just-released series Mindhunters, and I had to pause the episode to hopefully be the first to recommend this show.  It's god-damned brilliant.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on October 15, 2017, 03:51:41 AM
I am 40 minutes into the first episode of Netflix's just-released series Mindhunters, and I had to pause the episode to hopefully be the first to recommend this show.  It's god-damned brilliant.

I read the book this is based on about 20 years ago. That was a real FBI agent (John Douglas) talking about real crimes and how he helped develop criminal profiling.

I assume this is fictional crimes based on the book. I'll have to check it out.
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Post by: GodSlayer on October 15, 2017, 04:59:53 AM
failing to find a torrent also uncovered that it was also a special back in 2004 (both are 'Mindhunter' singular)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: jt512 on October 15, 2017, 05:02:02 AM
failing to find a torrent also uncovered that it was also a special back in 2004 (both are 'Mindhunter' singular)

Trust me.  There's a torrent.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: GodSlayer on October 15, 2017, 12:37:46 PM
failing to find a torrent also uncovered that it was also a special back in 2004 (both are 'Mindhunter' singular)

Trust me.  There's a torrent.



wow, I guess it's just a bugginess thing. dozens of torrents and hundreds of seeders now :)
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Post by: CarbShark on October 16, 2017, 08:07:51 PM
MYTHBUSTERS ON SCIENCE

Season premiere, Nov. 15 9 p.m.

With two new hosts.



MythBusters on Science (https://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-shows/mythbusters-on-science/)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on October 16, 2017, 08:15:46 PM
It might be a tad early to call it a "Very Best TV Show"  ;)

Cautiously optimistic is my early assessment.

They do look a bit more like jocks than our loveable nerds Adam & Jamie. Not a dis on either pair. Just an observation.

https://www.sciencechannel.com/playlists/meet-the-new-mythbusters
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Post by: Rai on October 17, 2017, 03:14:44 AM
It might be a tad early to call it a "Very Best TV Show"  ;)

Cautiously optimistic is my early assessment.

They do look a bit more like jocks than our loveable nerds Adam & Jamie. Not a dis on either pair. Just an observation.

https://www.sciencechannel.com/playlists/meet-the-new-mythbusters

I don't think I can watch a TV show with a host that has such a haircut. WTF is that even? A quiffhawk?
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: CarbShark on October 17, 2017, 01:40:41 PM
It might be a tad early to call it a "Very Best TV Show"  ;)

They're promoting it as a new season of "MythBusters" with new hosts. I think "MythBusters" qualifies. We'll see if they ruin it.
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Post by: GodSlayer on October 17, 2017, 02:33:18 PM
I don't think I can watch a TV show with a host that has such a haircut. WTF is that even? A quiffhawk?

is it, really, any more ridiculous than Jamie the green beret walrus?

I'd watch the Kardashians if I was concerned with the aesthetics of the people on my TV shows :P
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on October 17, 2017, 03:58:39 PM
It might be a tad early to call it a "Very Best TV Show"  ;)

They're promoting it as a new season of "MythBusters" with new hosts. I think "MythBusters" qualifies. We'll see if they ruin it.

Ok if it is a continuation of Mythbusters it qualifies. It's a shame Tori, Grant and Kari couldn't have been given a go at this, instead of the White Rabbit Project
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on October 17, 2017, 10:06:21 PM
Mindhunters is very well put together.  I just finished episode 2 and am completely sold. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on October 18, 2017, 12:21:46 AM
Mindhunters is very well put together.  I just finished episode 2 and am completely sold.

I started watching it today. It's quality TV.

Though the name of the main character was a bit strange. Holden Ford  FFS ???
For an Aussie kid who grew up in the pre-80s or an Aussie racing car nut of any era. You were either a Holden person or a Ford person (i.e Your favourite brand of car) and you actively hated the other brand.

The name is so unusual for it not to be done on purpose. So I did a Google search and yes, an Aussie named him that as a joke. Knowing the rest of the world wouldn't get it.  ;)

http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/mindhunter-tv-show-character-holden-ford-named-by-creator-joe-penhall-after-aussie-car-rivalry/news-story/7d0987e4ee1ae0e53eee2c06d8380fa5

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NEW American TV series Mindhunter owes the name of its lead character to Australia’s car industry rivalry — and the show’s mischievous Adelaide-raised creator.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: moj on October 19, 2017, 11:17:26 AM
We are up to episode 7 of mindhunter and still really enjoying it. Its shame we are almost done.
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Post by: Ah.hell on October 23, 2017, 09:47:13 AM
Really enjoying Mindhunters, makes me wonder how close too reality the story is.  Also, makes Sacramento seem like some sort of hell hole.  Why would a relatively small city figure twice in the development of the FBIs behavioral science unit?

The Five, really liked this show too.  English cop show about a kid who disappeared 20 years before who's DNA shows up at a crime scene.  The lead investigator is a friend of the lost kids older brother.  Really hard to turn off, it really kept me wanting to know what happens next.
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Post by: mindme on October 23, 2017, 02:56:40 PM
Last Holden car

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/20/news/australia-gm-holden-last-car/index.html
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on October 24, 2017, 01:41:21 AM
Not really a TV show. But I suppose I bought it up  ;)

Last Holden car

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/20/news/australia-gm-holden-last-car/index.html

It's not the last Holden, just the last Australian made Holden.

Future Holdens will be rebadged foreign made cars. Which many Holdens have been for decades.
It's not the same though. No more FJs, EJs, Toranas, Kingswoods or Commodores  :(

My first 2 cars were locally made Holdens. A 1966 HD and a 1985 Camira

The more important part of that story is that this is the end of car manufacturing in Australia.
Ford closed last year, Toyota a few weeks ago and now finally Holden.

Thousands of jobs gone (direct and indirect)
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Post by: GodSlayer on October 24, 2017, 08:58:05 AM
Last Holden car

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/20/news/australia-gm-holden-last-car/index.html


well I guess that concludes Ford vs Holden.

we outlived ya bastards!

The more important part of that story is that this is the end of car manufacturing in Australia.
Ford closed last year, Toyota a few weeks ago and now finally Holden.

aw, bugger.
I guess I better buy Asian-made for my next car then, Ford parts will be getting more expensive soon
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Jaloopa on October 26, 2017, 08:01:54 AM
Stranger Things series 2 is about to drop. I really enjoyed the first series, and it's about the scariest show I've ever managed to convince my wife to watch too
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on October 26, 2017, 08:47:42 AM
Ep 4 of Mindhunter ends with Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft by Klaatu (although maybe it was the Carpenters cover). The single kind of came out of nowhere and many people at first thought this was the Beatles secretly getting back together to release a new single.

http://www.klaatu.org/klaatu1.html
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Post by: PANTS! on October 26, 2017, 10:38:34 AM
Ep 4 of Mindhunter ends with Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft by Klaatu (although maybe it was the Carpenters cover). The single kind of came out of nowhere and many people at first thought this was the Beatles secretly getting back together to release a new single.

http://www.klaatu.org/klaatu1.html

I love those guys - great power pop.  I love that song.  It really captured my imagination as a kid.  Finally I love the Carpenters and their cover is spooky and great.  Her voice floating over the top of that arrangement is awesome.

Also the 70s were fucking weird man. 
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Tassie Dave on October 26, 2017, 02:53:17 PM
Yay "Stranger Things" season 2 back today.

Ep 4 of Mindhunter ends with Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft by Klaatu (although maybe it was the Carpenters cover). The single kind of came out of nowhere and many people at first thought this was the Beatles secretly getting back together to release a new single.

http://www.klaatu.org/klaatu1.html

I love those guys - great power pop.  I love that song.  It really captured my imagination as a kid.  Finally I love the Carpenters and their cover is spooky and great.  Her voice floating over the top of that arrangement is awesome.

Also the 70s were fucking weird man.

If you're talking music, then the 80s was weirder.  ;) The 70s was my generation (i.e fantastic)  8)
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: xenu on October 29, 2017, 01:12:34 PM
Anyone know when new episode of "Mirror Black" on NETFLIX will be coming out? I thought it was going to be this year but I'm not so sure now.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Neutral Milk on October 29, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
Black Mirror.

If you're curious about something like that the best source I've found is imdb. Because a lot of the content can be edited by users they generally have really up to date info.

They say 2017 with no specific date. To me that says it probably won't make it out this year. Awful late in the year to not have a date.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: xenu on October 29, 2017, 01:40:17 PM
Thanks
I always get that name messed up. I swap it back and forth.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 30, 2017, 09:37:32 AM
Stranger Things 2, still great television.
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Post by: mindme on October 30, 2017, 10:16:27 AM
Stranger Things 2, still great television.

Agreed 3 eps in. Opens just before halloween 1983 and the November vote (remember the Reagan/Bush 84 election campaign is still happening... so it's not 1984).

The only depressing thought is these kids are going to get older fast. They're such a fun bunch to watch.

Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 30, 2017, 10:24:10 AM
Stranger Things 2, still great television.

Agreed 3 eps in. Opens just before halloween 1983 and the November vote (remember the Reagan/Bush 84 election campaign is still happening... so it's not 1984).

The only depressing thought is these kids are going to get older fast. They're such a fun bunch to watch.


My only disappointed, not enough attention was paid to the poisoned candy and razor blades in apple scare of my youth.  Maybe that was halloween of 84 or 85.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: wastrel on October 30, 2017, 12:16:16 PM
Stranger Things 2, still great television.

Agreed 3 eps in. Opens just before halloween 1983 and the November vote (remember the Reagan/Bush 84 election campaign is still happening... so it's not 1984).

The only depressing thought is these kids are going to get older fast. They're such a fun bunch to watch.

It should be 1984, voting occurs in years divisible by 4 (i.e. ass-hat was elected 2016, took office 2017), Reagan v Mondale was November 1984.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: mindme on October 30, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
Stranger Things 2, still great television.

Agreed 3 eps in. Opens just before halloween 1983 and the November vote (remember the Reagan/Bush 84 election campaign is still happening... so it's not 1984).

The only depressing thought is these kids are going to get older fast. They're such a fun bunch to watch.

It should be 1984, voting occurs in years divisible by 4 (i.e. ass-hat was elected 2016, took office 2017), Reagan v Mondale was November 1984.

You're right. Doh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1984
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Harry Black on October 30, 2017, 07:40:18 PM
Loved Stranger Things season 2. Only thing I didnt like was
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Just finished Mindhunter too and to be honest, I think its overrated.
I was hooked out of the gate in the first 3 episodes but as it went on it lost steam.
I gave zero fucks about the characters personal lives and dramas. And disliked the main character more and more as it went along.
I feel like I was supposed to but it made it less enjoyable to watch.
The show also focuses too much on the main characters genius insights instead of the process of data collection and patience that I think could have been a better show.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 31, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
Loved Stranger Things season 2. Only thing I didnt like was
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Just finished Mindhunter too and to be honest, I think its overrated.
I was hooked out of the gate in the first 3 episodes but as it went on it lost steam.
I gave zero fucks about the characters personal lives and dramas. And disliked the main character more and more as it went along.
I feel like I was supposed to but it made it less enjoyable to watch.
The show also focuses too much on the main characters genius insights instead of the process of data collection and patience that I think could have been a better show.
My only disagreement with the above post:
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Post by: seamas on October 31, 2017, 11:54:46 AM
Loved Stranger Things season 2. Only thing I didnt like was
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Just finished Mindhunter too and to be honest, I think its overrated.
I was hooked out of the gate in the first 3 episodes but as it went on it lost steam.
I gave zero fucks about the characters personal lives and dramas. And disliked the main character more and more as it went along.
I feel like I was supposed to but it made it less enjoyable to watch.
The show also focuses too much on the main characters genius insights instead of the process of data collection and patience that I think could have been a better show.
My only disagreement with the above post:
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(click to show/hide)
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Post by: PANTS! on October 31, 2017, 12:11:51 PM
I went to an all state Science and Math magnet school, and while Rush featured heavily, it was outweighed by early Punk and what was then called College alternative.  YMMV.
Title: Re: List of the Very Best TV Shows
Post by: Ah.hell on October 31, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
The music is pretty close to my playlist from 84 and I was 12 in a small farming community.  My taste was informed by my older sister who was away at college at the time though.  She later found god and stopped listening to good music.
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Post by: mindme on October 31, 2017, 02:58:12 PM
The music is pretty close to my playlist from 84 and I was 12 in a small farming community.  My taste was informed by my older sister who was away at college at the time though.  She later found god and stopped listening to good music.

The incidental music to me is very reminiscent of the Terminator music.
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Post by: Ah.hell on October 31, 2017, 03:03:33 PM
The music is pretty close to my playlist from 84 and I was 12 in a small farming community.  My taste was informed by my older sister who was away at college at the time though.  She later found god and stopped listening to good music.

The incidental music to me is very reminiscent of the Terminator music.

Reminds me of John Carpenter.
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Post by: wastrel on November 01, 2017, 01:48:15 AM
Stan Against Evil (IFC|Hulu) 8.5/10

Created/EP by Dana Gould, 172 "witches" were burned at the stake in the 1600's, every constable in the town has met a horrific death, except Stan Miller (John C. McGinley), who retired after the death of his wife.  Evie ('lil Janet Varney) is the new sheriff, who must now defend from the numerous evil spirits attempting to kill her and her predecessor.

Extremely funny, monster of the week format.  About five eps into first season, really loving it.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 01, 2017, 09:38:48 AM
Stan Against Evil (IFC|Hulu) 8.5/10

Created/EP by Dana Gould, 172 "witches" were burned at the stake in the 1600's, every constable in the town has met a horrific death, except Stan Miller (John C. McGinley), who retired after the death of his wife.  Evie ('lil Janet Varney) is the new sheriff, who must now defend from the numerous evil spirits attempting to kill her and her predecessor.

Extremely funny, monster of the week format.  About five eps into first season, really loving it.
It came out at the same time as the Evil Dead show and the comparison just made me really not enjoy Stan.
Maybe I will give it another shot.
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Post by: CarbShark on November 01, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Stan Against Evil (IFC|Hulu) 8.5/10

Second season starts tonight on IFC
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Post by: Harry Black on November 13, 2017, 05:44:02 PM
Just saw the finale of Vice Principles.
What a great and seriously dark show!
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Post by: Boßel on November 17, 2017, 01:39:00 PM
I'm loving Gotham.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 17, 2017, 01:47:02 PM
Future Man on hulu is really good if you like time travel and dick jokes.
Which I do.
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Post by: Ah.hell on November 17, 2017, 02:00:01 PM
I'm loving Gotham.
Pretty much the only DC live adaptation I like at this point.
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Post by: GodSlayer on November 17, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
I went to an all state Science and Math magnet school
how do they work?
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Post by: Neutral Milk on November 17, 2017, 09:59:12 PM
I went to an all state Science and Math magnet school
how do they work?

Please tell me this was an intentional ICP reference.
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Post by: superdave on November 18, 2017, 07:09:18 PM
Future Man on hulu is really good if you like time travel and dick jokes.
Which I do.

watched a few eps, I will say that this is the sort of show that you will either totally get or not.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 19, 2017, 06:15:58 AM
Future Man on hulu is really good if you like time travel and dick jokes.
Which I do.

watched a few eps, I will say that this is the sort of show that you will either totally get or not.
Absolutely.
If Seth Rogens movies dont normally tickle your fancy then maybe give it a miss.
I binged it all in one day though.

It does do some interesting stuff with time travel tropes though.
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Post by: Henning on December 01, 2017, 11:15:37 PM
thanks for the rec.

I gave Fresh Off the Boat a second try recently, and now love it. I still think the main little kid is boring, which is what turned me away at first, but now I know it's all about the side kids and mom and dad... kinda like in Malcolm and the Middle*, Malcolm was the least interesting.

(*Not a recommendation either way of Malcolm in the Middle)
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Post by: xenu on December 02, 2017, 10:05:24 AM
I like fresh off the boat too. You are right it is more about the parents and kids. Eddie is not very interesting. I almost stopped watching too because of him.
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Post by: mindme on December 04, 2017, 10:13:18 AM
Netflix Dark. About 2 eps in. Cautious recommend. Not quite a Stranger Things replacements. Strangers Things meets It meets the OA meets Assassin’s  Creed.
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Post by: Neutral Milk on December 04, 2017, 10:21:05 AM
... meets Assassin’s  Creed.

Haha because a character wears a deep hoody for a few scenes?

I can add a lot more then.. 'meets guardians of the galaxy (because there's a Walkman at one point), meets Hogan's Heroes (because the characters are german), meets trainspotting (because a guy wakes up in a kid's room where an old TV is playing)

I'm also 2 episodes in and also cautiously optimistic.
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Post by: GodSlayer on December 04, 2017, 11:00:50 AM
I went to an all state Science and Math magnet school
how do they work?

Please tell me this was an intentional ICP reference.

of course
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Post by: mindme on December 06, 2017, 08:31:39 AM
Finished Godless. About a 7.8/10. Mary Agnes was a great character. Not a fan of westerns unless there are naked robots in it. But this was pretty decent.

Hmmm the lead actor is yet another UK citizen playing an American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_O%27Connell_(actor)

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Post by: xenu on December 08, 2017, 08:13:17 PM
Finished Godless. About a 7.8/10. Mary Agnes was a great character. Not a fan of westerns unless there are naked robots in it. But this was pretty decent.

Hmmm the lead actor is yet another UK citizen playing an American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_O%27Connell_(actor)

(click to show/hide)

I've heard from other people that Godless is really good
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