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Title: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on May 14, 2015, 03:27:12 PM
There are strengths and flaws to the way Marvel and DC are working their TV and movie properties, within episodes, within series, and across their shared universes. Threads for the individual shows and movies are a fine place to talk about the stuff within; here's where we can discuss the stuff between.

Marvel

Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)
Marvel's universe is fragmented, with X-Men, Spiderman and the Fantastic Four each in their own universe, separate from the main Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). The MCU includes many characters and franchises, integrated across big screen and small, with pretty reasonable continuity and a centuries-long story arc wrapped around the Infinity Stones.

Iron ManMay 2, 2008Jon Favreau
The Incredible HulkJune 13, 2008Louis Leterrier
Iron Man 2May 7, 2010Jon Favreau
ThorMay 6, 2011Kenneth Branagh
Captain America: The First AvengerJuly 22, 2011Joe Johnston
Marvel's The AvengersMay 4, 2012Joss Whedon
Iron Man 3May 3, 2013Shane Black
Thor: The Dark WorldNovember 8, 2013Alan Taylor
Captain America: The Winter SoldierApril 4, 2014Anthony and Joe Russo
Guardians of the GalaxyAugust 1, 2014James Gunn
Avengers: Age of UltronMay 1, 2015Joss Whedon
Ant-ManJuly 17, 2015Peyton Reed
Captain America: Civil WarMay 6, 2016Anthony and Joe Russo
Doctor StrangeNovember 4, 2016Scott Derrickson
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2May 5, 2017James Gunn
Spider-Man: HomecomingJuly 7, 2017Jon Watts
Thor: RagnarokNovember 3, 2017Taika Waititi
Black PantherFebruary 16, 2018Ryan Coogler
Avengers: Infinity WarApril 27, 2018Anthony and Joe Russo
Ant-Man and the WaspJuly 6, 2018Peyton Reed
Captain MarvelMarch 8, 2019Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck
Avengers: EndgameMay 3, 2019Anthony and Joe Russo
Spider-Man: Far From HomeJuly 5, 2019Jon Watts
DareDevil
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage
Iron Fist
The Punisher
Agents of SHIELD
The Defenders
Agent Carter
Inhumans
Runaways
Cloak and Dagger
New Warriors

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Sauce: CNET (https://www.cnet.com/how-to/marvel-cinematic-universe-timeline-avengers/)

Discontinuities of Note
Fox Marvel Universe (FCU)
Fox owns the rights to X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Deadpool, but Disney is trying to buy them and incorporate those characters into the MCU. The movies in the X-Men franchise are mostly internally consistent, but there's been time travel and such, so there's no guarantees.

I’m not listing all the crappy movies here. Deadpool, DP2 and Logan are the best of the lot, I think. The original X-Men holds up nicely, and the reboot to younger actors is nice IMO.

Sony Marvel Universe (SMU)
What a mess.

#0 Spider-Man:Homecoming is part of the MCU, but Sony retains creative control. They don’t appear to be arguing with Marvel/Disney though.
#1 Venom (2018)
#2 Silver & Black
#3 Morbius
#4 Nightwatch
#5 Silk
The only character I know is Venom.

DC Extended Universe (DCEU)
DC has fragmented their TV properties and set them in several separate continuities from their movies. On TV, four properties are part of the Arrowverse: Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, and Constantine. Supergirl does not appear to overlap with the Arrowverse, but is part of the Flashverse with it's many alternate Earths (I made that term up). Superman and Metropolis do not appear in the Arrowverse. Oh, and there was that show about the bad guys? Maybe some others? Meh.

Man of Steel was the first movie in the shared DCEU. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice attempted to build on that foundation. Wonder Woman was amazing.

The Arrowverse (Arrowverse)
With four TV shows set in the same universe, DC has decided to use ideas from the Flashpoint storyline to create a multiverse, with many Earths for heroes and villains to exist within - and hop between. Between this and time travel (introduced in a big way in Legends of Tomorrow) the 'continuity' of the DCEU really doesn't matter. There are lots of crossover episodes each season, tying the characters and events together, which is fun, but don't expect to have anything make sense. Just enjoy.



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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on May 14, 2015, 03:39:51 PM
I think DC's strength has really been in their animated properties where they consistently put out top tier material and Marvel has been more hit or miss and much less pervasive in that arena. 

On live action TV, I think Marvel has the edge and are poised to push past DC with the remaining Netflix properties and the potential Agents of SHIELD spin off, though the Legends of Tomorrow has some serious potential to do even better. 

The movies clearly belong to Marvel at this point, but DC has yet to prove itself on its new direction, although Man of Steel doesn't fill me with confidence as the tone just didn't fit the property and I'm getting tired of overly gritty and stoic.

Overall, I'd say Marvel is doing better but DC is also just getting started so we'll see.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on May 14, 2015, 03:53:36 PM
I think DC's strength has really been in their animated properties where they consistently put out top tier material and Marvel has been more hit or miss and much less pervasive in that arena. 

This.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on May 14, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
I think DC's strength has really been in their animated properties where they consistently put out top tier material and Marvel has been more hit or miss and much less pervasive in that arena. 

I would agree if it weren't for "Justice League: War" and "Justice League: Throne of Atlantis". Those were BAD bad movies.
New 52 ruined the DCAU completely.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 14, 2015, 04:41:15 PM
Good points about the DCAU - but I'm not going to try to chronicle THAT behemoth!

I have been watching a chrono-edit of the MCU (no TV, no AOU) that starts with Thor intros (since they're from thousands and thousands of years ago, then CA:TWS, then GOTG intro, then... It's neat to see. There are long stretches where it's just one movie - CA:TFA for example, is almost complete (no intro / outro). We're in the second 'reel' now, with a lot of interlaced Hulk & Iron Man(s) so far.

I liked Man of Steel quite a bit, in part because it tried to take a 'this is real' approach to a being with Superman-level power. That impressed me about the MCU too - that they could actually break NY or London and show the kinds of consequences that that kind of destructive power would have. With MoS in a full on deathmatch with other Krytonians there would have to be massive death and destruction. I hope that the DCSU finds ways to lighten up a bit before JL1, though. Flash and Green Lantern were always cocky and funny (to me) and could do with a lighter touch.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 14, 2015, 05:26:26 PM
Just watched the DCTVU:LOT trailer.

Why do comics just HAVE to do time travel? The writing on Flash is so bad that I don't really care, but time banditry flusterclucks all continuity and sense of danger.

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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 15, 2015, 08:43:58 AM
This timeline of the MCU is quite interesting and well done.

http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/5395/A-Marvel-Cinematic-Universe-Timeline/

It seems to be pretty processor heavy, so mobile devices may not be able to handle it.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 16, 2015, 04:31:32 AM
Comicbook stories and continuities are so out there that they dont really work without timetravel/alternate universes. Bad writing? Sure, but as demanded by the fans. As a group we get the industry we deserve. Also when characters run for 40+ years when they would really have a max window of 15 for their adventures...revision and reinvention is necessary.
Great point about New 52 killing the DCAU add to the list Son of Batman and Batman vs Robin. Awful films based on awful comics. DC seems to be looking at comic sales as a story strength predictor but it really isnt.
Marvel is kicking all kinds of ass and I believe that having x-men and FF separate is for the best, those two properties have so much baggage with them that I often wish Marvel would do a few different comicbook universes. A world that idolises the Avengers is not likely to have a problem with mutants and the whole political angles and world threatening arcs that so seldom meet up between the two worlds really break the spell for me.
Though Deadpool belongs in every Marvel movie.
Im more of a DC fan in my heart but I really think they are going the wrong way.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 16, 2015, 11:30:18 PM
Comicbook stories and continuities are so out there that they dont really work without timetravel/alternate universes. Bad writing? Sure, but as demanded by the fans. As a group we get the industry we deserve. Also when characters run for 40+ years when they would really have a max window of 15 for their adventures...revision and reinvention is necessary.

Great point about New 52 killing the DCAU add to the list Son of Batman and Batman vs Robin. Awful films based on awful comics. DC seems to be looking at comic sales as a story strength predictor but it really isnt.

Marvel is kicking all kinds of ass and I believe that having x-men and FF separate is for the best, those two properties have so much baggage with them that I often wish Marvel would do a few different comicbook universes. A world that idolises the Avengers is not likely to have a problem with mutants and the whole political angles and world threatening arcs that so seldom meet up between the two worlds really break the spell for me.

Though Deadpool belongs in every Marvel movie.

Im more of a DC fan in my heart but I really think they are going the wrong way.


I have no problems with retelling, reinventing, alternate universe[integer], alternate universe[real], alternate universe[imaginary], or alternate universe[complex]. I get itchy when time travel is required to unfukkerate the story.

You're CompletelyRight(TM) that "having x-men and FF separate is for the best" in any Marvel U. Marvel and DC would both do well to take advantage of walled-off alternate histories for heroes like this. The combinations are rarely sensible in any sense.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: spawnstar on May 17, 2015, 12:17:37 AM
Comicbook stories and continuities are so out there that they dont really work without timetravel/alternate universes. Bad writing? Sure, but as demanded by the fans. As a group we get the industry we deserve. Also when characters run for 40+ years when they would really have a max window of 15 for their adventures...revision and reinvention is necessary.

Great point about New 52 killing the DCAU add to the list Son of Batman and Batman vs Robin. Awful films based on awful comics. DC seems to be looking at comic sales as a story strength predictor but it really isnt.

Marvel is kicking all kinds of ass and I believe that having x-men and FF separate is for the best, those two properties have so much baggage with them that I often wish Marvel would do a few different comicbook universes. A world that idolises the Avengers is not likely to have a problem with mutants and the whole political angles and world threatening arcs that so seldom meet up between the two worlds really break the spell for me.

Though Deadpool belongs in every Marvel movie.

Im more of a DC fan in my heart but I really think they are going the wrong way.


I have no problems with retelling, reinventing, alternate universe[integer], alternate universe[real], alternate universe[imaginary], or alternate universe[complex]. I get itchy when time travel is required to unfukkerate the story.

You're CompletelyRight(TM) that "having x-men and FF separate is for the best" in any Marvel U. Marvel and DC would both do well to take advantage of walled-off alternate histories for heroes like this. The combinations are rarely sensible in any sense.

Are you reading x-men at the moment? The story is really interesting and hinges on time travel. The main problem with time travel is different writers use it differently. Some have it so changing the past effect the present and others that a new timeline is created.

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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on May 17, 2015, 01:07:13 AM
Days of Future Past is one of my favorite comic books movies period.  Time travel is like any other story element; it can be done well and it can be done horribly.

It's worth noting though, that the season finale of Agents of SHIELD strongly suggests that:

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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 17, 2015, 05:43:54 AM
I dont think the above is a spoiler at all but the inhumans fold really nicely into the marvel universe while having them exist alongside the x-men makes very little sense with the way the world views them and how they view the world.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 17, 2015, 12:13:56 PM
Comicbook stories and continuities are so out there that they dont really work without timetravel/alternate universes. Bad writing? Sure, but as demanded by the fans. As a group we get the industry we deserve. Also when characters run for 40+ years when they would really have a max window of 15 for their adventures...revision and reinvention is necessary.

Great point about New 52 killing the DCAU add to the list Son of Batman and Batman vs Robin. Awful films based on awful comics. DC seems to be looking at comic sales as a story strength predictor but it really isnt.

Marvel is kicking all kinds of ass and I believe that having x-men and FF separate is for the best, those two properties have so much baggage with them that I often wish Marvel would do a few different comicbook universes. A world that idolises the Avengers is not likely to have a problem with mutants and the whole political angles and world threatening arcs that so seldom meet up between the two worlds really break the spell for me.

Though Deadpool belongs in every Marvel movie.

Im more of a DC fan in my heart but I really think they are going the wrong way.


I have no problems with retelling, reinventing, alternate universe[integer], alternate universe[real], alternate universe[imaginary], or alternate universe[complex]. I get itchy when time travel is required to unfukkerate the story.

You're CompletelyRight(TM) that "having x-men and FF separate is for the best" in any Marvel U. Marvel and DC would both do well to take advantage of walled-off alternate histories for heroes like this. The combinations are rarely sensible in any sense.

Are you reading x-men at the moment? The story is really interesting and hinges on time travel. The main problem with time travel is different writers use it differently. Some have it so changing the past effect the present and others that a new timeline is created.

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I have not been reading the comics. I kinda got tired of comics a decade or so ago. Too much stunt-gimmick-crazysoapoperatwist. While I pick up a book or two on occasion, I'm into other fiction (at least for now).
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 17, 2015, 12:19:58 PM
I dont think the above is a spoiler at all but the inhumans fold really nicely into the marvel universe while having them exist alongside the x-men makes very little sense with the way the world views them and how they view the world.

My wife and I were talking about the way the Inhumans work in the MCU after watching the AOS finale. She says she wants simple good-guys-white-hats bad-guys-black-hats kind of conflicts, but that's not what she actually chooses to consume for entertainment. When I described Jiaying as "this world's Magneto" she got it right away.

I can't see how Marvel could integrate the other superhero teams into the MCU without completely unbalancing everything. I mean superhero epics are inherently unbalanced, but that would really eff the thing up.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on May 17, 2015, 02:34:35 PM
I dont think the above is a spoiler at all but the inhumans fold really nicely into the marvel universe while having them exist alongside the x-men makes very little sense with the way the world views them and how they view the world.

My wife and I were talking about the way the Inhumans work in the MCU after watching the AOS finale. She says she wants simple good-guys-white-hats bad-guys-black-hats kind of conflicts, but that's not what she actually chooses to consume for entertainment. When I described Jiaying as "this world's Magneto" she got it right away.

I can't see how Marvel could integrate the other superhero teams into the MCU without completely unbalancing everything. I mean superhero epics are inherently unbalanced, but that would really eff the thing up.

Fantastic Four I can see working, but the X-Men brings too much baggage to the universe to make sense in the universe they've created.  How can you have mutants all of a sudden be a thing that's been around for decades and have no one ever having mentioned it before?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 17, 2015, 10:42:10 PM
I dont think the above is a spoiler at all but the inhumans fold really nicely into the marvel universe while having them exist alongside the x-men makes very little sense with the way the world views them and how they view the world.

My wife and I were talking about the way the Inhumans work in the MCU after watching the AOS finale. She says she wants simple good-guys-white-hats bad-guys-black-hats kind of conflicts, but that's not what she actually chooses to consume for entertainment. When I described Jiaying as "this world's Magneto" she got it right away.

I can't see how Marvel could integrate the other superhero teams into the MCU without completely unbalancing everything. I mean superhero epics are inherently unbalanced, but that would really eff the thing up.

Fantastic Four I can see working, but the X-Men brings too much baggage to the universe to make sense in the universe they've created.  How can you have mutants all of a sudden be a thing that's been around for decades and have no one ever having mentioned it before?

Okay - I can see FF fitting in without completely borking the thing as long as they appear post AOU. Spider-Man could be added in the same way, actually.

...of course NYC would be the world epicentre of all superpoweredy goodnitude.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: EvilNick on May 27, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
I'm not sure I even have the energy to keep up with all of these at this point.  Getting a little tired of Marvel's "every movie is tied together" crap, particularly when they're going to screw it up by giving Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch completely different backstories than their X-Men origins, just to shoehorn them into Avengers.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 29, 2015, 09:17:18 AM
I'm not sure I even have the energy to keep up with all of these at this point.  Getting a little tired of Marvel's "every movie is tied together" crap, particularly when they're going to screw it up by giving Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch completely different backstories than their X-Men origins, just to shoehorn them into Avengers.

Quicksilver was awesome in X-Men. Okay in A:AOU, but meh, really. Actually, I don't think I'll remember him in A:AOU, just like I don't really remember Scarlet Witch in X-Men.

I wondered why they would want those two in particular, given the MCU appears to have no mutants in it. There are an awful lot of characters to choose from without dipping into that thread.

I do like how the whole thing fits together, and will continue to watch most of the shows, I think. I'm not going to feel bad if I don't get into one of the Netflix series, though.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on May 29, 2015, 09:21:07 AM
AFAICR both Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch were regular members of the avengers.  As was Vision.  They got married in the pages of the Avengers.  In fact Vision and The Scarlet Witch was a long running title for Marvel IIRC.

EDIT Actually it was a miniseries. http://marvel.wikia.com/Vision_and_the_Scarlet_Witch_Vol_1
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: EvilNick on May 29, 2015, 10:19:25 AM
I'm not sure I even have the energy to keep up with all of these at this point.  Getting a little tired of Marvel's "every movie is tied together" crap, particularly when they're going to screw it up by giving Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch completely different backstories than their X-Men origins, just to shoehorn them into Avengers.

Quicksilver was awesome in X-Men. Okay in A:AOU, but meh, really. Actually, I don't think I'll remember him in A:AOU, just like I don't really remember Scarlet Witch in X-Men.

I wondered why they would want those two in particular, given the MCU appears to have no mutants in it. There are an awful lot of characters to choose from without dipping into that thread.

I do like how the whole thing fits together, and will continue to watch most of the shows, I think. I'm not going to feel bad if I don't get into one of the Netflix series, though.

I haven't watched any of the TV series, and yeah, the Disney-side of the Marvel Universe appears to disregard the X-Men/Mutant side, with Spider-Man somewhere in-between, divorced from both.  And they're apparently going to reboot that one yet again.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 29, 2015, 03:42:15 PM
 I forgot about that. I had remembered it previously. But then I forgot about it again. I guess the chain of events is if you have Ultron you need the Vision. If you have the Vision you need Scarlet Witch. If you have Scarlet Witch you need Quicksilver.

evidence over experience; performance over perfection

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: EvilNick on May 29, 2015, 03:51:10 PM
I forgot about that. I had remembered it previously. But then I forgot about it again. I guess the chain of events is if you have Ultron you need the Vision. If you have the Vision you need Scarlet Witch. If you have Scarlet Witch you need Quicksilver.

evidence over experience; performance over perfection

I'm a continuity nerd.  I may not notice everything, but when I notice continuity breaks, I get very annoyed.  So this break is a bit grating--particularly because Marvel is trying to build up a cohesive universe.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on July 14, 2015, 11:02:37 PM
I added a few links too threads for these movies, like Deadpool. Let me know if there is a release date for that one.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on July 14, 2015, 11:53:44 PM
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I haven't watched any of the TV series, and yeah, the Disney-side of the Marvel Universe appears to disregard the X-Men/Mutant side, with Spider-Man somewhere in-between, divorced from both.  And they're apparently going to reboot that one yet again.
Its all because of who has the film rights to which characters.  Before there was a Marvel Studios, Marvel sold the rights to some characters to other studios.  The X-men and Mutants to Fox, FF and Spidey went to Sony.  Apparently Marvel as negotiated with Sony to get Spidey in the MCU, thus the reboot. 

Quick Silver and Scarlet which somehow got split because they were mostly part of the Avengers and mutants.   I guess they can't call them mutants in the MCU though.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on July 15, 2015, 12:07:15 AM
Quick Silver and Scarlet which somehow got split because they were mostly part of the Avengers and mutants.   I guess they can't call them mutants in the MCU though.

Agents of SHIELD seems to be largely about (at least so far) about establishing the Inhumans as stand ins for mutants in the MCU.  In the last episode of season 2 they:

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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on July 15, 2015, 03:11:43 AM
The Inhumans are confirmed in that role, I believe. Agents has set up and tied together other stuff, but that is clearly a big part of the reason it exists. That said, we are 4 years from that movie, so we will see what goes on. Agents may run is course in another year or two, though I think it will likely continue. S03 week be about the Civil War (with Inhumans instead of Mutants), S04 will tie in Ragnorak, and S06 and S07 take on the Infinity War.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: EvilNick on August 13, 2015, 12:19:52 PM
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I haven't watched any of the TV series, and yeah, the Disney-side of the Marvel Universe appears to disregard the X-Men/Mutant side, with Spider-Man somewhere in-between, divorced from both.  And they're apparently going to reboot that one yet again.
Its all because of who has the film rights to which characters.  Before there was a Marvel Studios, Marvel sold the rights to some characters to other studios.  The X-men and Mutants to Fox, FF and Spidey went to Sony.  Apparently Marvel as negotiated with Sony to get Spidey in the MCU, thus the reboot. 

Quick Silver and Scarlet which somehow got split because they were mostly part of the Avengers and mutants.   I guess they can't call them mutants in the MCU though.

Yeah, I understand that the rights issues are what screw this all up, but it's still annoying.

Why can't they call them mutants in the MCU?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 13, 2015, 01:35:48 PM
Because the term mutant, and any characters who premiered in XMen comics belong to Fox as per their deal.
Its hilarious that this happened because this was the most popular and marketable property they had to sell at the time and pretty much nothing has been done with it.
I really pity the lawyers who had to become comicbook experts and trawl through every single character in marvel comics to decide which universe they belong in.
But as I said earlier, I wish the comics would follow the lead of the movies and partition the universes a little.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on August 13, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
Honestly, I think they could stand to partition the movies a little more.   IMHO, one of the big problems with the superhero movies is every series works its way towards serious cast bloat.   Few directors and writers can really handle a large cast of characters.   
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 13, 2015, 03:55:54 PM
Yeah, they are starting to become more suited to tv.
I like the idea of shared universe but real life cops and soldiers live in a shared universe too and they dont interact with each other on every case.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: amysrevenge on August 13, 2015, 04:25:00 PM
Over the decades, a culture in comics had developed where, unless you want to tell a huge crossover story, you just kinda pretend that all those other heroes don't exist.  "Why the hell didn't Superman just spend 5 seconds taking care of this?" is a logical problem that you just sort of gloss over and pretend isn't there.  We need for the movie/TV universes to accept this culture as readily.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on August 13, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
brilligtove, did you make your own chrono edit, or did you find the file somewhere?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 13, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
Over the decades, a culture in comics had developed where, unless you want to tell a huge crossover story, you just kinda pretend that all those other heroes don't exist.  "Why the hell didn't Superman just spend 5 seconds taking care of this?" is a logical problem that you just sort of gloss over and pretend isn't there.  We need for the movie/TV universes to accept this culture as readily.
You CAN do that.And I tend to.  But I find that stories that address these issues in interesting ways can really be an example of restriction forcing innovation. Some handle it really well and make cool stories out of that in itself.
I find DC generally does it poorly with the whole "my city" schtick.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on August 15, 2015, 01:21:23 PM
brilligtove, did you make your own chrono edit, or did you find the file somewhere?

That was me. I was just going through it with my sister this morning and found a gap, too. I'll correct it this afternoon. You're welcome to scrape-and-reuse, of course.

Edit: the gap was in my reading at the time, not in the list.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on August 15, 2015, 01:57:57 PM
I found a file updated through Antman from the interwebs...  ;D
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: EvilNick on August 17, 2015, 10:11:42 AM
Yeah, they are starting to become more suited to tv.
I like the idea of shared universe but real life cops and soldiers live in a shared universe too and they dont interact with each other on every case.

Real life cops and soldiers have different areas of focus.  When I was in the military, it was repeatedly stressed how illegal it was for military to collect intel on US civilians.

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lofgren on August 17, 2015, 10:27:56 AM
Yeah, they are starting to become more suited to tv.
I like the idea of shared universe but real life cops and soldiers live in a shared universe too and they dont interact with each other on every case.

Real life cops and soldiers have different areas of focus.  When I was in the military, it was repeatedly stressed how illegal it was for military to collect intel on US civilians.

Whereas both Batman and Ironman assert their rights to collect massive amounts of intel on everybody on the planet. Wait, sorry, I'm thinking of Google and Microsoft. And also Batman and Ironman.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on August 27, 2015, 02:49:33 AM
Art something something parallel something.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: EvilNick on August 27, 2015, 08:58:12 AM
Yeah, they are starting to become more suited to tv.
I like the idea of shared universe but real life cops and soldiers live in a shared universe too and they dont interact with each other on every case.

Real life cops and soldiers have different areas of focus.  When I was in the military, it was repeatedly stressed how illegal it was for military to collect intel on US civilians.

Whereas both Batman and Ironman assert their rights to collect massive amounts of intel on everybody on the planet. Wait, sorry, I'm thinking of Google and Microsoft. And also Batman and Ironman.

Our comic heroes are terrible people.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 27, 2015, 09:14:32 AM
The way they are currently written, I agree.
Some of them are pretty good role models though.
Amadeus cho, ms marvel,captain marvel, blue beetle, booster gold (the greatest hero you've never heard of), Spiderman (mostly)....et cetera.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on October 13, 2015, 10:30:07 PM
For those of you who enjoy DCU animation, there is a new series of shorts called Vixen.  It is available by streaming through the CW Seed service.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on October 13, 2015, 10:32:28 PM
Thanks for the info. I'll look it up.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on November 20, 2015, 09:03:47 AM
Jessica Jones (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45599.msg9362416.html#msg9362416) added to the OP. Crossover talk can happen here too.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on November 20, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
Jessica Jones (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45599.msg9362416.html#msg9362416) added to the OP. Crossover talk can happen here too.

I can't wait until I get the time to watch this.  I loved Alias, and this looks awesome.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on December 01, 2015, 12:57:33 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't see the upcoming DC Universe attempt as anything but a disaster?

Let me start by establishing what I mean.

I thought "Man of Steel" was horrible, and was dumbstruck to see everyone around me enjoying it.  I felt like I was watching a different movie than everyone else.

I should preface this by saying: I liked "Superman Returns".  Oh, and that "All Star Superman" became my favorite Superman story ever upon it's release.

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on December 01, 2015, 01:07:22 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't see the upcoming DC Universe attempt as anything but a disaster?

Me.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on December 01, 2015, 01:08:22 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't see the upcoming DC Universe attempt as anything but a disaster?

Me.

What are you using as evidence?  Or are you just hoping?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on December 01, 2015, 01:19:02 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't see the upcoming DC Universe attempt as anything but a disaster?

Let me start by establishing what I mean.

I thought "Man of Steel" was horrible, and was dumbstruck to see everyone around me enjoying it.  I felt like I was watching a different movie than everyone else.

I should preface this by saying: I liked "Superman Returns".  Oh, and that "All Star Superman" became my favorite Superman story ever upon it's release.
What do you mean by "disaster"? I suspect it will do fine at the box office, so I suspect you mean something like, "a story / story universe that does not appeal to me." Is that a fair guess?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on December 01, 2015, 01:44:41 PM
My thoughts on the movie distilled:

(http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2734/8559/original.jpg?w=600&h)



More in depth ranty description in the tag.

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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on December 01, 2015, 02:19:30 PM
All fair points on the plot and writing, except maybe the final battle. I'm not saying you're wrong - just that there were a few additional factors you didn't mention that affected my interpretation and opinion of that fight.

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The DCU is playing it completely (and unironically and humourlessly) straight with these movies. If two guys with that kind of power got into a knock down fight, a lot of shit would be knocked down and a lot of humans would die. I'm not trying to argue that you should like that interpretation, of course - people like what they like. I'm just noting that it is not in itself wrong to imagine the characters that way.

I presume BvS is going to take the same tone. I do think that the DCU will start to run into trouble if it stays in that bleached and humourless pallette much past BvS, even though it differentiates them from Marvel's universe. They're generally pretty funny, even when dealing with very dark themes.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on December 01, 2015, 02:24:53 PM
I've started a new Man of Steel (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45683.msg9365880.html#msg9365880#new) thread to carry on this discussion.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on December 01, 2015, 02:30:51 PM
I presume BvS is going to take the same tone. I do think that the DCU will start to run into trouble if it stays in that bleached and humourless pallette much past BvS, even though it differentiates them from Marvel's universe. They're generally pretty funny, even when dealing with very dark themes.

Agreed.  This is where they will run into trouble.

Marvel seems to grasp that some people think being Iron Man or any other superhero would be AWESOME and fun in addition to being dangerous. 

I used to jump out of airplanes.  I once had a mishap in which I had a very slight (I thought it was worse) in flight problem, and activated my reserve chute.  The reserve chute did not open.  The very first thing me and the guys I was jumping with after I hit the ground extra hard but was otherwise fine did was crack jokes about it.  The jokes were my own brains attempt to deal with how pants pissing-ly scared I was just a few moments ago.  The wisecracking Avengers is not only fun, but makes sense. 

Marvel seems to get why some people would like to be a superhero and apply those principles to all their movies.

DC seems to get why some people would like to be Batman and appear to be applying those principles to their movies.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on December 01, 2015, 02:34:48 PM
I think their casting is too generic dark haired good looking white folks.
But hopefully they have learned from Man of Steel and wont double down.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on December 01, 2015, 03:41:29 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't see the upcoming DC Universe attempt as anything but a disaster?

Me.

What are you using as evidence?  Or are you just hoping?

Your question was "Who doesn't see the upcoming DC universe attempt as anything but a disaster".
My answer is: Me.
My evidence: I know what I think.
If what you mean is WHY I don't see the upcoming DC universe attempt as anything but a disaster, the answer is that I reserve judgement about things until after I've seen them.
The "It's gonna suck" attitude it what makes cynics and hipsters, so I'm not gonna join your suck parade until there's actually anything out there to be sucky.
As for Man of Steel, I loved it.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on December 01, 2015, 04:50:16 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't see the upcoming DC Universe attempt as anything but a disaster?

Me.

What are you using as evidence?  Or are you just hoping?

Your question was "Who doesn't see the upcoming DC universe attempt as anything but a disaster".
My answer is: Me.
My evidence: I know what I think.
If what you mean is WHY I don't see the upcoming DC universe attempt as anything but a disaster, the answer is that I reserve judgement about things until after I've seen them.
The "It's gonna suck" attitude it what makes cynics and hipsters, so I'm not gonna join your suck parade until there's actually anything out there to be sucky.
As for Man of Steel, I loved it.

I do think that if a person liked Man of Steel, a personshould like Batman/Superman. Same director, same screenwriter, same cast....etc...I had big problems with Man of Steel, so I'm not super jazzed.  ICP Joker isn't exciting me for Suicide Squad either......

Though ultimately the joke is on me.  I'll probably go see Batman / Superman in the theater...
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on December 01, 2015, 08:31:40 PM
I wont be going to see BvS in theatre unless there are damn good reviews. MoS was weak and Im done rewarding meiocrity.
I just cant wrap my head around the mentality of not wanting to hear negative stuff about media. It seems like the loss of great conversation, but thats a persons choice I can respect. What Im goddamn sick of is this "haters gonna hate" style response to genuine critique. As if people who didnt like something are trying to somehow be cool by having an opinion.
So I for one REALLY want these DC movies to be good. Im excited for batfleck and I really want his solo movie! I think its totally reasonable though to look at what DC has already shown us and speculate about how we think its going to go.
So as I said, if they learned from MoS, it should be good! I think Joker looks shit but Suicide Squad generally looks like an improvement on the comics. Im honestly kind of sick of the Joker anyway.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on December 02, 2015, 08:21:17 AM
I wont be going to see BvS in theatre unless there are damn good reviews. MoS was weak and Im done rewarding meiocrity.
I just cant wrap my head around the mentality of not wanting to hear negative stuff about media. It seems like the loss of great conversation, but thats a persons choice I can respect. What Im goddamn sick of is this "haters gonna hate" style response to genuine critique. As if people who didnt like something are trying to somehow be cool by having an opinion.
So I for one REALLY want these DC movies to be good. Im excited for batfleck and I really want his solo movie! I think its totally reasonable though to look at what DC has already shown us and speculate about how we think its going to go.
So as I said, if they learned from MoS, it should be good! I think Joker looks shit but Suicide Squad generally looks like an improvement on the comics. Im honestly kind of sick of the Joker anyway.

I was genuinely shocked about the Ben Affleck hate.  Though now it seems to have subsided significantly.  Comics nerds should know that he's most certainly one of "them".  One of the good guys.   (My wife listens to Kevin Smith's various podcasts and Affleck's been on once or twice.  He knows his comics shit.)  He's also a above average performer, and Christian Bale will never play Batman again.   

I couldn't figure it out.  Does Affleck have the look?  Yes.  Is he a good performer? Yes.  Does he have affection for the source material?  Yes. 

What the fuck was the problem!?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on December 02, 2015, 08:38:23 AM
I think he will be better than Bale unless the script lets him down.
Its because he was in some rubbish films and people cant separate actors from writers/directors.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Rai on December 02, 2015, 09:43:37 AM
I think Affleck will be pretty good. He has a proper chin, and that is 50% of being Batman :D

The individual who really turns me off the whoe DCU is Zack Snyder. I really can't stand him and I cannot understand how can they trust such an important franchise onto someone so aggressively mediocre, who seems to be, based on the horrible Watchmen adaptation, immune to understanding any source material beyond the visuals.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on December 02, 2015, 10:32:52 AM
Is Snyder in control the way Feige is running the MCU?  If so it will be disaster.  If he's just directing movies that some else is writing it could be pretty good.

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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on December 02, 2015, 10:42:39 AM
I looked at the Watchmen movie much like I looked at Passion of the Christ.

(Please bear with me)

In Watchmen, the film gets the general events of the comics as it relates to the Owl, Ozymandias, et. al in generally the proper sequential order.  However, the magic of Watchmen, the whole reason that it's a modern classic is the "Tales of the Black Freighter".  The Watchmen story running parallel with The Black Freighter and the internal thoughts of the characters for a giant meta commentary on the entire medium of comic books.  Watchmen the comic is a story about the idea of comic books and how they tell stories. 

Watchmen the movie is what happened in the linear storyline portion of the Watchmen comic.  The film is well executed, but only a tiny fraction of the real story of "Watchmen".  The important stuff in the comic (in my opinion) isn't shown in the film.

In Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson very effectively shows us what happened to Jesus according to the Bible.  It totally jettisons the "why", which is the important part.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Rai on December 02, 2015, 12:11:31 PM
I looked at the Watchmen movie much like I looked at Passion of the Christ.

(Please bear with me)

In Watchmen, the film gets the general events of the comics as it relates to the Owl, Ozymandias, et. al in generally the proper sequential order.  However, the magic of Watchmen, the whole reason that it's a modern classic is the "Tales of the Black Freighter".  The Watchmen story running parallel with The Black Freighter and the internal thoughts of the characters for a giant meta commentary on the entire medium of comic books.  Watchmen the comic is a story about the idea of comic books and how they tell stories. 

Watchmen the movie is what happened in the linear storyline portion of the Watchmen comic.  The film is well executed, but only a tiny fraction of the real story of "Watchmen".  The important stuff in the comic (in my opinion) isn't shown in the film.

In Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson very effectively shows us what happened to Jesus according to the Bible.  It totally jettisons the "why", which is the important part.

I had different gripes with Watchmen.

The comics are basically the deconstruction and dismantling of the superhero genre. It is about how superheroes are not cool, not magnificent, not even particularly good at what they are doing and are prone to drift into all kinds of abusive behaviours towards others and society. This is what Snyder did not get at all. The whole concept of not-cool superheroes just did not register, because he is deeply embedded in the Awesomebro culture. It seems that the fact that the heroes in Watchmen are not heroes in any way or form just did not register.

My favourite example is that in the comics, when Rorschach is confronted by the police, he shoots one dude in the chest with a grappling hook, jumps out of the window, falls into a rubbish bin and is immediately apprehended. In the movies, he fights off at least a dozen police officers in an extended scene, which is completely the opposite of what happened. There were so many scenes like this, where changes were added to the events, or how the events are portrayed which turned the whole concept of Watchmen upside down. There are so many extended fight scenes, in the alley and in the prison that work against the core idea of the story, just because Snyder just doesn't have an atom of an understanding of the source material as the likes of Joss Whedon have.

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on December 02, 2015, 12:42:55 PM
I got that feeling too. I dont think a better Watchmen movie could be made (commercially) but it was definitely whitewashed to the point of missing the point.
I was kind of annoyed that they didnt show the ugliness of Rorschachs bigotry because it makes it a much tougher call then if you think he is the one who is right.
I didnt miss the pirate story as much as I thought I would once I saw it on the dvd extras though and removing the vagina monster was a good move so I guess its hard for a film maker to know what changes and cuts to make.
I say give Snyder a good script and he will kick ass. My pet unprovable theiry is that Orci was the problem in MoS.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on December 02, 2015, 12:48:12 PM
I got that feeling too. I dont think a better Watchmen movie could be made (commercially) but it was definitely whitewashed to the point of missing the point.
I was kind of annoyed that they didnt show the ugliness of Rorschachs bigotry because it makes it a much tougher call then if you think he is the one who is right.
I didnt miss the pirate story as much as I thought I would once I saw it on the dvd extras though and removing the vagina monster was a good move so I guess its hard for a film maker to know what changes and cuts to make.
I say give Snyder a good script and he will kick ass. My pet unprovable theiry is that Orci was the problem in MoS.

My thoughts on Snyder is that he's a lot of sizzle and not much steak.

In 20 years I think people will still be speaking fondly about and watching the Richard Donner Superman.  I'm not so sure about Man of Steel.

I remember thinking that "300" was a real kick the first time I saw it in the theater.  I watched it again last summer, and couldn't even finish it.

The less said about "Sucker Punch" the better.  Packing a movie with that much action and that many crazy visuals and still have it be totally boring is quite a singular achievement.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Rai on December 02, 2015, 12:59:26 PM
I truly prefer the giant space squid to the movie version of what happened. It is completely ridiculous, but that is kind of the point. IF you want the US and the Soviet Union to come together, you need an event that is extremely bizarre and unbelievable, because the simple fact that such a weird, mysterious and, frankly, silly thing can actually happen and cause so much damage is a much better common enemy than a single individual.



My impression of Snyder is a person who just isn't very creative and lacks imagination, but has a keen understanding of visuals. He is truly talented in visually re-creating whole comic books and making other, more talented people's creations move on the screen in a way that is a near-perfect adaptation of the drawings, but that is all he does and all he really cares for. He wants stuff to look good so that his awesomebro fans can high five each other while watching a particularly awesome-looking scene. He cares little about complex characters, storylines or layers of meaning and when he ventures into that territory, the shallowness of his creativity and sensibilities become painfully obvious. 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 17, 2016, 07:24:41 PM
So who wants to see Deadpool?
Jessica Jones has been picked up for a second season.
Agents of SHIELD returns in March.
Daredevil returns in March too.
Agent Carter returns in just a few weeks.

I just updated the OP to separate the MCU into years for easier reading. Their production pace has been accelerating.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on January 17, 2016, 07:32:40 PM
I'm not familiar with Deadpool, but I'm really excited to see it.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 17, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
I got that feeling too. I dont think a better Watchmen movie could be made (commercially) but it was definitely whitewashed to the point of missing the point.
I was kind of annoyed that they didnt show the ugliness of Rorschachs bigotry because it makes it a much tougher call then if you think he is the one who is right.
I didnt miss the pirate story as much as I thought I would once I saw it on the dvd extras though and removing the vagina monster was a good move so I guess its hard for a film maker to know what changes and cuts to make.
I say give Snyder a good script and he will kick ass. My pet unprovable theiry is that Orci was the problem in MoS.

My thoughts on Snyder is that he's a lot of sizzle and not much steak.

In 20 years I think people will still be speaking fondly about and watching the Richard Donner Superman.  I'm not so sure about Man of Steel.

I remember thinking that "300" was a real kick the first time I saw it in the theater.  I watched it again last summer, and couldn't even finish it.

The less said about "Sucker Punch" the better.  Packing a movie with that much action and that many crazy visuals and still have it be totally boring is quite a singular achievement.
I do agree except I think the Donner Superman has aged terribly and in another 20 years I cant see that improving.
Great for its time but not actually that great imo.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on January 18, 2016, 03:49:39 AM
I'm not familiar with Deadpool, but I'm really excited to see it.

Same here.
It's about the only Marvel film I'm actually excited about.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 18, 2016, 06:56:50 AM
I'm excited for Captain America: Civil War most of all (I think it could possibly end up rivaling The Avengers), Deadpool is a close second, and to a lesser extent X-Men: Apocalypse, but only because Days of Future Past was so phenomenal (nothing about the trailers excites me all that much for some reason).  I think I'll be most pissed off if Deadpool disappoints though, it just looks so friggin hilarious!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2016, 09:30:58 AM
I think Deadpool has the biggest chance of disappointment because it relies on comedy far more heavily than the others. In Guardians, every laugh was a bonus but here I worry that every joke that doesnt land will be a minus.

Still super excited though and Ive faith in Reynolds. I think I, personally, may enjoy it more than most.
BvS only has to not suck to deliver.
Cap has a pretty high bar to clear (I think it will though)
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 18, 2016, 09:55:51 AM
I think Deadpool has the biggest chance of disappointment because it relies on comedy far more heavily than the others. In Guardians, every laugh was a bonus but here I worry that every joke that doesnt land will be a minus.

I think it's mainly that Deadpool is a new angle for comic book movies and has been building up for so long.  That and the marketing has been genius too. 

Oh, I left one other movie out that I'm really excited for: Suicide Squad.  That's another one that's a new direction for comic book movies.  I think the only other thing remotely similar was the rumored Sinister Six movie which I guess would have played like the anti-Avengers.  The premise alone of SS has me excited, but I liked just about everything the trailer had to offer as well.  This could easily turn out to be a favorite.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2016, 10:55:58 AM
Im hopeful for Suicide Squad. I think it has a better chance of being good than BvS.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 18, 2016, 04:25:36 PM
So I was trying to get a sense of when everything has and will happen in the various story universes based on comics.

I found out that:
UniverseFormatDateFranchiseTitleEpisodes
XMENFilm2000-07-14X-MenX-Men
XMENFilm2003-05-02X-MenX2
XMENFilm2006-05-26X-MenX-Men: The Last Stand
MCUFilm2008-05-02Iron ManIron Man
MCUFilm2008-06-13HulkThe Incredible Hulk
XMENFilm2009-05-01WolverineX-Men Origins: Wolverine
MCUFilm2010-05-07Iron ManIron Man 2
MCUFilm2011-05-06ThorThor
XMENFilm2011-06-03X-MenX-Men: First Class
MCUFilm2011-07-22Captain AmericaCaptain America: The First Avenger
MCUShort2011-09-13ThorThe Consultant
MCUShort2011-10-25ThorA Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer
MCUFilm2012-05-04AvengersThe Avengers
MCUFilm2012-09-25AvengersItem 47
ArrowverseTV2012-10-10ArrowArrows01 e01-e23
MCUFilm2013-05-03Iron ManIron Man 3
DCEUFilm2013-06-14SupermanMan of Steel (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45683.new#new)
XMENFilm2013-07-26WolverineThe Wolverine
MCUShort2013-09-03S.H.I.E.L.D.Agent Carter
MCUTV2013-09-24S.H.I.E.L.D.Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)s01 e01-e06
ArrowverseTV2013-10-09ArrowArrows02 e01-e23
MCUFIlm2013-11-08ThorThor: The Dark World
MCUTV2013-11-12S.H.I.E.L.D.Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)s01 e07-e16
MCUShort2014-02-04ThorAll Hail the King
MCUfilm2014-04-04Captain AmericaCaptain America: The Winter Soldier
MCUTV2014-04-08S.H.I.E.L.D.Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)s01 e17-e22
XMENFilm2014-05-23X-MenX-Men: Days of Future Past
MCUfilm2014-08-01GotGGuardians of the Galaxy
MCUTV2014-09-23S.H.I.E.L.D.Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)s02 e01-e19
ArrowverseTV2014-10-07FlashThe Flash (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44150.new#new)s01 e01-e23
ArrowverseTV2014-10-08ArrowArrows03 e01-e23
ArrowverseTV2014-10-24ConstantineGothams01 e01-e13
MCUTV2015-01-06S.H.I.E.L.D.Agent Carter (http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=45638.new#new)s01 e01-e08
MCUNetflix2015-04-10DaredevilDaredevil (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44053.new#new)s01 e01-e13
MCUFilm2015-05-01AvengersAvengers: Age of Ultron
MCUTV2015-05-05S.H.I.E.L.D.Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)s02 e19-e22
MCUFilm2015-07-17Ant-ManAnt-Man
MCUTV2015-09-29S.H.I.E.L.D.Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)s03 e01-e08
ArrowverseTV2015-10-06FlashThe Flash (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44150.new#new)s02 e01-e23
ArrowverseTV2015-10-07ArrowArrows04 e01-e23
ArrowverseTV2015-10-26SupergirlSupergirl (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44318.new#new)s01 e01-e20
MCUNetflix2015-11-20Jessica JonesJessica Jones (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45599.new#new)s01 e01-e13
MCUTV2015-12-01S.H.I.E.L.D.Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)s03 e09-e10
MCUTV2016-01-19S.H.I.E.L.D.Agent Carter (http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=45638.new#new)s02 e01-e10
ArrowverseTV2016-01-21LoTLegends of Tomorrow (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44323.new#new)s01 e01-e16
XMENFilm2016-02-12DeadpoolDeadpool (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44738.new#new)
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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2016, 06:00:37 PM
Supergirl isnt in the Arrowverse because Superman exists in her world but cross over is very possible because of what Flash has done with alternate realities and versions of heroes where its alluded, in the Legends of Tomorrow trailer, that there are timelines where Superman exists.

Deadpool and X-Men are an awesome match because he is constantly trying to join them in the comic and really thinks he is a hero. Also because he came from the weapon x program.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on January 18, 2016, 07:31:46 PM
Ill be honest, from what I have heard of the instigating plot for Civil War I'm concerned. It's pretty weak.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 18, 2016, 08:23:26 PM
Ill be honest, from what I have heard of the instigating plot for Civil War I'm concerned. It's pretty weak.
I dont think the have the cast numbers or the background to make it work as per the comic. But the comic sucked so Im not worried.
Im on team Stark though. If you need to register a glock, you need to register a hulk.
Marvel has no secret identities though.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on January 18, 2016, 08:57:05 PM
Don't expect the comic, and yeah it sucked.

 Generally I agree with Stark's position, though I think the setup has more to do with Ultron than reason on his part.
 So I expect the ending will be him getting over it and realizing Cap was right the whole time.
 Though I've heard it is much more around Bucky and him being brought in. Eh.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on January 19, 2016, 05:07:34 PM
I'm excited for literally everything coming out, mostly because it's more fodder to talk about with my nerd friends.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 19, 2016, 05:57:24 PM
I'm excited for literally everything coming out, mostly because it's more fodder to talk about with my nerd friends.
What a time to be alive eh?!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on January 19, 2016, 06:02:37 PM
I'm excited for literally everything coming out, mostly because it's more fodder to talk about with my nerd friends.
What a time to be alive eh?!

The list that brilligtove posted made me giddy.  ;D
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 19, 2016, 07:02:24 PM
I'm excited for literally everything coming out, mostly because it's more fodder to talk about with my nerd friends.
What a time to be alive eh?!

The list that brilligtove posted made me giddy.  ;D

TBH I was a bit giddy when I was putting it together. Feel free to fiddle with the Google sheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zxfaokI3rFqQAmJH-FRFrOb2z6OcN46K-oEAUKUGJQI) if you like.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on January 19, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
I'm excited for literally everything coming out, mostly because it's more fodder to talk about with my nerd friends.
See, stuff like this is why I hate not having any nerd friends.
 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 19, 2016, 09:10:56 PM
I'm excited for literally everything coming out, mostly because it's more fodder to talk about with my nerd friends.
See, stuff like this is why I hate not having any nerd friends.
 

So what are we, chopped liver?  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

 ;D
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on January 19, 2016, 09:25:19 PM
I mean, like in meat space.
 Besides, compared to y'all I barely count on the nerd rankings. 
 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 19, 2016, 10:13:10 PM
I mean, like in meat space.
 Besides, compared to y'all I barely count on the nerd rankings.

hey hey hey

nerds accept counting on all number systems - real or imaginary, whole or complex

heck, we even welcome integers
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on January 19, 2016, 10:42:15 PM
And speaking of Suicide Squad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs

Even more excited now!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 19, 2016, 11:04:01 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on January 20, 2016, 11:56:14 AM
Suicide squad looks far more interesting than BvS or any other DC property.  But I've never been a DC fan.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 20, 2016, 12:02:53 PM
Suicide squad looks far more interesting than BvS or any other DC property.  But I've never been a DC fan.
i was a DC fan from 94-2007ish and I feel the same.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on January 20, 2016, 12:13:32 PM
Is it wrong for me to ask why any of those guys would have a problem with Harley smashing the store window?  I mean, besides for a cheap, not actually very funny, laugh line?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on January 20, 2016, 12:24:30 PM
Is it wrong for me to ask why any of those guys would have a problem with Harley smashing the store window?  I mean, besides for a cheap, not actually very funny, laugh line?

Rick Flag (I think) spins around with his gun up, like he's expecting to be attacked or something... I don't think it was issue with the destruction, it more like "why the hell aren't you focused on the task at hand."
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 20, 2016, 01:20:07 PM
Is it wrong for me to ask why any of those guys would have a problem with Harley smashing the store window?  I mean, besides for a cheap, not actually very funny, laugh line?

Rick Flag (I think) spins around with his gun up, like he's expecting to be attacked or something... I don't think it was issue with the destruction, it more like "why the hell aren't you focused on the task at hand."
Yeah. Be bad, but be professional.
Dont care though, it was funny!
I like that guy playing Rick Flag btw, he is always underserved by scripts so I hope this will be his breakout.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on January 20, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
Is it wrong for me to ask why any of those guys would have a problem with Harley smashing the store window?  I mean, besides for a cheap, not actually very funny, laugh line?

Rick Flag (I think) spins around with his gun up, like he's expecting to be attacked or something... I don't think it was issue with the destruction, it more like "why the hell aren't you focused on the task at hand."
Yeah. Be bad, but be professional.
Dont care though, it was funny!
I like that guy playing Rick Flag btw, he is always underserved by scripts so I hope this will be his breakout.

It was supposed to be Tom Hardy, so I'd think there's something of a featured role for him. What else have you liked him in?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on January 20, 2016, 07:35:08 PM
Suicide squad looks far more interesting than BvS or any other DC property.  But I've never been a DC fan.
i was a DC fan from 94-2007ish and I feel the same.

NEVER?
WAS?


 :raise:

I'm really excited for Suicide Squad. I think DC has better villains.

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 20, 2016, 07:58:05 PM
Suicide squad looks far more interesting than BvS or any other DC property.  But I've never been a DC fan.
i was a DC fan from 94-2007ish and I feel the same.

NEVER?
WAS?


 :raise:

I'm really excited for Suicide Squad. I think DC has better villains.
Yeah. They had me in the bag, I would have paid for each years comics up front if I could have. But they started doing dumb shit, they have a few iconic villains but I think marvel out does them for innovation and not being afraid to change costumes and origins etc.
Hopefully they can turn it around though.
Dc comics became unreadable to me and now they have messed up the animated movies by reusing the plots that sent me packing from the comics.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on January 20, 2016, 08:10:44 PM
I was a DC guy, (mostly) for my comic book buying days.  Up until Image flooded the market.  I loved them Teen Titans.  Up until the Wilderbeast saga.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on January 20, 2016, 09:38:57 PM
The comics I started out reading are no longer published.
/hipsterhat
I mostly read Marvel now, but nothing there really grabs me anymore.
 Have enjoyed a number of independent miniseries.
 Usually weird/creepy stuff.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on January 21, 2016, 07:44:29 AM
"All Star Superman" will make you a Superman fan again.  It's magnificent.

"All Star Batman" will make you wonder why on earth anyone would let Frank Miller write anything any more.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 21, 2016, 08:02:28 AM
"All Star Superman" will make you a Superman fan again.  It's magnificent.

"All Star Batman" will make you wonder why on earth anyone would let Frank Miller write anything any more.
I liked All Star Superman. I think the animated movie did a great job of trimming the fat from the story.
Morrison is what made Batman unreadable for me though.
Agreed on All Star Batman and Robin.

My problem is not that there were no good stories but that they arent making any new good stories. They cant stop fucking up the continuity!
Give Batman a son, make Superman a petulant jock, ditch lois lane, put constantine in the Justice League! No, wait, make Jim Gordon Batman! Fuck it, Oracle can walk again you guys! And she is in her early 20s. In college. And Batgirl has a social media presence!! Comics are fun you guys! But like so, so dark if you want that. We can do whatever.

Meanwhile marvel is making random characters interesting and relatable. Ms Marvel, Squirrel Girl, She-Hulk, Hawkeye, Silver Surfer. All top notch writing and interesting characters.
I do keep checking in with DC every few months though, hoping to find something I like.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: superdave on January 21, 2016, 08:12:50 AM
"All Star Superman" will make you a Superman fan again.  It's magnificent.

"All Star Batman" will make you wonder why on earth anyone would let Frank Miller write anything any more.


AS Superman, watchde the animated movie.  It was stupefying.  I am not sure if it was completely brilliant or completely nuts.

Watched the preview footage from Wonder Woman, looked better than I expected, though like some commentators, a little concerned about what the extent of her super powers will be.  She was beating up some normal looking dudes.  wonder Woman should pretty much disintegrate a normal human in hand to hand combat.   
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 28, 2016, 11:23:12 AM
I liked all star superman.

This has my interest though: The Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D Spinoff Just Got Great News (http://www.cinemablend.com/m/television/Agents-H-I-E-L-Spinoff-Just-Got-Great-News-110417.html)

Spinoff? What?

Quote
ABC President Paul Lee has confirmed that the network has ordered a pilot for the upcoming spinoff, titled Marvel’s Most Wanted.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on January 28, 2016, 02:55:29 PM
Yeah, I really don't see it.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 28, 2016, 03:07:15 PM
Yeah, Mockingbird and the english guy are gettin their own show apparently.
She is interesting, he is annoying.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 28, 2016, 05:53:32 PM
Yeah, Mockingbird and the english guy are gettin their own show apparently.
She is interesting, he is annoying.

They are both of those exactly, and that's why I like their chemistry together so much. I'd watch them in a show - assuming a good premise.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on January 29, 2016, 08:45:45 AM
So...now we're getting teased with Darkseid in the Batman v. Superman movie?

The tally is now  Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash, Lex Luthor, Doomsday and now perhaps Darkseid?

This does not bode well.

Marvel teased Thanos and the concept of the Infinity Gems/Infinity Gauntlet out for 5 years across multiple movies.  Each member of the Avengers got their own film or multiple supporting roles before being crammed together.  I accept the fact that nobody needs another Superman or Batman film to remind us who they are and where they come from/what their motivations are.....but do you think the general public knows who the fuck Cyborg, Doomsday, or even Aquaman is?  This flick is going to be exposition hell!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 29, 2016, 09:13:46 AM
My hope is that these characters will be (mostly) cameo appearances, though I'm not sure how that would work.

This has me thinking that we are looking at this movie the wrong way. Maybe it should have been called, "Justice League: Batman v Superman" instead. I think we're going to see the origin story of the JL, and have very little backstory on any of the heroes who make up the league. I would expect some of the initial meetings to involve the "classic" comic trope "fight first, fellowship follows" to give everyone a chance to introduce their powers to each other. Others would join together as they fight a common foe individually, then joining forces.

Oh - and when I say "we're looking at it the wrong way" what I mean is "they're marketing it the wrong way."
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 29, 2016, 10:22:06 AM
It seems like they may be trying to distinguish their brand? While Marvel just gives hints and innuendo and hides easter eggs in their movies, DC may be trying to be upfront with everything?
 With the ill will from fans, this might be their only way forward, to show everything they are bringing in the hopes of getting fans butts on seats opening weekend.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on January 29, 2016, 10:40:07 AM
Omgomgomg.
Arrow just acknowledged that Oracle exists in that universe!
Awesoooome!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on January 29, 2016, 10:51:43 AM
Omgomgomg.
Arrow just acknowledged that Oracle exists in that universe!
Awesoooome!

I love nerds. :)
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on February 04, 2016, 08:32:12 PM
I dont like that Arrow shits on real medicine so much and makes such a big deal out of herbal remedies.
Yeah, yeah, Its a comicbook show but I begrudge woo every little victory.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on February 04, 2016, 09:47:28 PM
http://tvline.com/2016/02/04/supergirl-flash-crossover-questions-multiverse-casting/ (http://tvline.com/2016/02/04/supergirl-flash-crossover-questions-multiverse-casting/)


(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7818/9WqSBT.jpg)

I may need to start watching Supergirl.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on February 04, 2016, 10:12:03 PM
Im still stressing about infinity gauntlet.

It seems like the amount of characters they would need to realistically portray the infinity war is far too big to be contained in a movie without it seeming like a blinding flash of different people.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on February 04, 2016, 11:14:29 PM
Im still stressing about infinity gauntlet.

It seems like the amount of characters they would need to realistically portray the infinity war is far too big to be contained in a movie without it seeming like a blinding flash of different people.

You don't need to know the backstory of every soldier to appreciate a battle. Just 'cause they're Inhuman or alien or whatever, you don't need to know everything about everyone. One of the X-Men movies introduced Magneto's army of mutants that we'd never seen, with no backstory or character development - but it worked because we didn't need to know much about them to be able to appreciate their battle skills.

I suspect there will be enough done in the run up to that movie to be able to do a lot with a lot of characters. They're not going to be trying to bring a new viewer in on that one - they're going to be putting a cap on a huge multi-year effort. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely reboot the Marvel universe after that one, actually.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on February 04, 2016, 11:15:06 PM
http://tvline.com/2016/02/04/supergirl-flash-crossover-questions-multiverse-casting/ (http://tvline.com/2016/02/04/supergirl-flash-crossover-questions-multiverse-casting/)


(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/7818/9WqSBT.jpg)

I may need to start watching Supergirl.

WTF? I'm very surprised that this is happening. Wow.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on February 05, 2016, 12:23:05 AM
Started on Jessica Jones. Love it so far! Really fun show.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on February 05, 2016, 12:45:05 AM
I may need to start watching Supergirl.

Its not too bad.  A little too on the nose with the feminism.  In that regard they just talk about it rather than using the superhero metaphor to show, which is a failing of the writers.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on February 05, 2016, 07:51:46 AM

I may need to start watching Supergirl.

Its not too bad.  A little too on the nose with the feminism.  In that regard they just talk about it rather than using the superhero metaphor to show, which is a failing of the writers.
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I agree the delivery is clumsy but I dont mind it in principle. Kind of refreshing to have an action show directly talk about it.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: starnado on February 05, 2016, 08:56:07 AM

I may need to start watching Supergirl.

Its not too bad.  A little too on the nose with the feminism.  In that regard they just talk about it rather than using the superhero metaphor to show, which is a failing of the writers.
I agree the delivery is clumsy but I dont mind it in principle. Kind of refreshing to have an action show directly talk about it.

I agree it is better than nothing but every time they do it (talk not show) I think of Agents of Shield and the fab female characters who just kick ass and take names with no questions asked. Melinda May is for sure the toughest of them all and nobody even mentions her gender.

that said, I love Supergirl and I am so excited that they did what we told em to, namely crossover with Flash and use the multiverse as an excuse for non-canon discontinuities.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on February 05, 2016, 09:03:01 AM
Yeah but there are more issues to address than just "Look, girls can kick ass too!"
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: starnado on February 05, 2016, 09:14:24 AM
Yeah but there are more issues to address than just "Look, girls can kick ass too!"

Absolutely, 100% agree, at least they are having the conversation!

Just don't expect too much nuance from my posts when I am at work.  :P

Also, I am sure you agree, Melinda May is a strong character for many reasons and not just cause she can kick ass.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on February 05, 2016, 09:15:52 AM
Yeah but there are more issues to address than just "Look, girls can kick ass too!"

True, but ever since the X-men, there is a precedence for Superheroes to be a little more than power fantasies.  Claremont et al found that there is a great deal of power in putting characters in metaphorical situations .  I'd respect that much more than Cat lecturing Kara about what feminism really is.

I am thinking about Jessica Jones in this case.  What that show did so god damn well was turn an intellectual "knowing" of the post trauma implication of rape - especially when the rapist is in your life - into a gut level understanding of how goddamn stressful and horrible it is.  Now that is using the power of metaphor.

I do think they are getting there with the whole Max Lord thing.  He is a great villain.  His take seems to be resenting the loss of humanity's privileged place that the arrival of the Kryptonians seems to represent (in his mind).  Which is certainly a metaphor for women (and other minorities) gaining more control in society, and how the former power monopolists might feel about sharing their power.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on February 05, 2016, 11:26:55 AM
Yeah but there are more issues to address than just "Look, girls can kick ass too!"

True, but ever since the X-men, there is a precedence for Superheroes to be a little more than power fantasies.  Claremont et al found that there is a great deal of power in putting characters in metaphorical situations .  I'd respect that much more than Cat lecturing Kara about what feminism really is.

I am thinking about Jessica Jones in this case.  What that show did so god damn well was turn an intellectual "knowing" of the post trauma implication of rape - especially when the rapist is in your life - into a gut level understanding of how goddamn stressful and horrible it is.  Now that is using the power of metaphor.

I do think they are getting there with the whole Max Lord thing.  He is a great villain.  His take seems to be resenting the loss of humanity's privileged place that the arrival of the Kryptonians seems to represent (in his mind).  Which is certainly a metaphor for women (and other minorities) gaining more control in society, and how the former power monopolists might feel about sharing their power.

Huh. I hadn't thought of him in those terms at all. Interesting.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on February 05, 2016, 02:15:14 PM
Yeah, I just think superheroes suck at those metaphors. JJ was good because her story was actually one of surviving abuse but I dont want every hero to need some sort of feminist baggage in order for them to deal with stuff like that.
The great thing about Supergirl is that in many ways she has an ultimate position of privilege and doesnt need to care about those things. Its nice to see a hero discuss stuff and give a shit about it because it affects others and thats wrong than only gettinv riled up because of personal grudges.
I think it also gives the character  more room for stories because a person would have limited serious personal problems, they either get resolved or the character stagnates. But the world itself has limitless problems and a character who gives a shit about other people is cool imo.

If nothing else, it makes the show stand out from the X-Men template which I find to be pretty rubbish.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on February 05, 2016, 03:12:37 PM
Yeah but there are more issues to address than just "Look, girls can kick ass too!"

True, but ever since the X-men, there is a precedence for Superheroes to be a little more than power fantasies.  Claremont et al found that there is a great deal of power in putting characters in metaphorical situations .  I'd respect that much more than Cat lecturing Kara about what feminism really is.

I am thinking about Jessica Jones in this case.  What that show did so god damn well was turn an intellectual "knowing" of the post trauma implication of rape - especially when the rapist is in your life - into a gut level understanding of how goddamn stressful and horrible it is.  Now that is using the power of metaphor.

I do think they are getting there with the whole Max Lord thing.  He is a great villain.  His take seems to be resenting the loss of humanity's privileged place that the arrival of the Kryptonians seems to represent (in his mind).  Which is certainly a metaphor for women (and other minorities) gaining more control in society, and how the former power monopolists might feel about sharing their power.
Eh, I don't think that's on purpose.. I haven't seen much of the show, but it sounds like they are setting up Lord to be her Lex Luthor. That's been his schtick for ages.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on February 05, 2016, 03:16:22 PM
Its a shame they felt the need to turn Lord into the now obligatory tech genius billionaire.
As he was on the page, he was far more interesting. More Donald Trump with a possible heart of gold than Elon Musk/Lex Luthor.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on February 05, 2016, 05:38:15 PM
Its a shame they felt the need to turn Lord into the now obligatory tech genius billionaire.
As he was on the page, he was far more interesting. More Donald Trump with a possible heart of gold than Elon Musk/Lex Luthor.

You know, "Elon Musk" is a really great supervillian name. Just sayin'.

I do agree with you though. He didn't need to be the big bad. I would have found it much more interesting if he was more subtly evil, or was actually a pretty good guy with some trust-of-aliens issues instead of a fanatical extremist.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on February 05, 2016, 05:56:16 PM
Well I dont think it can spoil anything to say that in the comics, despite being a hapless and greedy businessman who tries to make a buck out of heroes, he does end up being one of the biggest bads! The reveal of him as a villain to Ted Kord still gets me choked up. I audibly gasped while I read it.
The fact that it took 20 years to get there was all the more gut wrenching.
RIP Ted :-(
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on February 05, 2016, 06:48:19 PM
Well I dont think it can spoil anything to say that in the comics, despite being a hapless and greedy businessman who tries to make a buck out of heroes, he does end up being one of the biggest bads! The reveal of him as a villain to Ted Kord still gets me choked up. I audibly gasped while I read it.
The fact that it took 20 years to get there was all the more gut wrenching.
RIP Ted :-(

Well there was an hour of Wikipedia into the DCU. I had no idea about any of that. Neat.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on February 05, 2016, 07:39:25 PM
The Giffen/Maguire "Secret Gospel of Maxwell Lord" era is the definitive Justice League in my mind.......such great stuff.  Beetle and Booster are massively important in that era....
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on February 05, 2016, 07:49:34 PM
The Giffen/Maguire "Secret Gospel of Maxwell Lord" era is the definitive Justice League in my mind.......such great stuff.  Beetle and Booster are massively important in that era....
I have a good portion of the run on hardback. It was my first introduction to the justice league and a wider DC universe. Because I only had random issues and the plots were so crazy, I got quite good at filling in plot gaps and plot holes with my mind. Its why to this day I take the "make it work" approach to potential plot holes.
Booster and Beetle. Man, wheres that tv show? Superman and Batman were never even in that series (not in a big way) so it would run incredibly well in the Arrowverse.
And that Powergirl artwork was a big part of me hitting puberty.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on February 05, 2016, 08:21:30 PM
 I missed out on Blue and Gold for the most part, but what I got I loved.
 It would be a great TV series, shame they haven't adapted it
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on February 05, 2016, 08:23:29 PM
The Giffen/Maguire "Secret Gospel of Maxwell Lord" era is the definitive Justice League in my mind.......such great stuff.  Beetle and Booster are massively important in that era....
I have a good portion of the run on hardback. It was my first introduction to the justice league and a wider DC universe. Because I only had random issues and the plots were so crazy, I got quite good at filling in plot gaps and plot holes with my mind. Its why to this day I take the "make it work" approach to potential plot holes.
Booster and Beetle. Man, wheres that tv show? Superman and Batman were never even in that series (not in a big way) so it would run incredibly well in the Arrowverse.
And that Powergirl artwork was a big part of me hitting puberty.

Maguires pencils were so super clean.......I love his stuff.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on February 06, 2016, 06:28:15 PM
I missed out on Blue and Gold for the most part, but what I got I loved.
 It would be a great TV series, shame they haven't adapted it
They might, there have been rumors.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on March 13, 2016, 10:24:27 AM
Here's the latest, sorted by universe and release date (if known).

Universe ________|On ____|Date __________|Franchise _______________|Title __________________________________|Season __________|Notes
Arrowverse|TV|2012-10-10|Arrow|Arrow|s01 e01-e23|
Arrowverse|TV|2013-10-09|Arrow|Arrow|s02 e01-e23|
Arrowverse|TV|2014-10-07|Flash|The Flash (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44150.new#new)|s01 e01-e23|
Arrowverse|TV|2014-10-08|Arrow|Arrow|s03 e01-e23|
Arrowverse|TV|2014-10-24|Constantine|Gotham|s01 e01-e13|
Arrowverse|Web|2015-08-25|Vixen|Vixen|s01 e01-e06|
Arrowverse|TV|2015-10-06|Flash|The Flash (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44150.new#new)|s02 e01-e23|
Arrowverse|TV|2015-10-07|Arrow|Arrow|s04 e01-e23|
Arrowverse|TV|2015-10-26|Supergirl|Supergirl (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44318.new#new)|s01 e01-e20|
Arrowverse|TV|2016-01-21|LoT|Legends of Tomorrow (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44323.new#new)|s01 e01-e16|
DCEU|Film|2013-06-14|Superman|Man of Steel (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45683.new#new)||
DCEU|Film|2016-03-25|Justice League|Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44730.new#new)||
DCEU|Film|2016-08-05|Suicide Squad|Suicide Squad (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44739.new#new)||
DCEU|Film|2017-06-23|Wonder Woman|Wonder Woman (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45610.new#new)||
DCEU|Film|2017-11-17|Justice League|Justice League Part One||
DCEU|Film|2018-03-23|Flash|The Flash||
DCEU|Film|2018-07-27|Aquaman|Aquaman||
DCEU|Film|2019-04-05|Shazam|Shazam||
DCEU|FIlm|2019-06-14|Justice League|Justice League Part Two||
DCEU|FIlm|2020-04-03|Cyborg|Cyborg||
DCEU|FIlm|2020-06-19|Green Lantern|Green Lantern||
DCEU|Film|2020-12-31|Batman|Batmanish of Batmanitude||
DCEU|Film|2021-12-31|Superman|Manlier of Steelier||
MCU|Film|2008-05-02|Iron Man|Iron Man||
MCU|Film|2008-06-13|Hulk|The Incredible Hulk||
MCU|Film|2010-05-07|Iron Man|Iron Man 2||
MCU|Film|2011-05-06|Thor|Thor||
MCU|Film|2011-07-22|Captain America|Captain America: The First Avenger||
MCU|Short|2011-09-13|Thor|The Consultant||
MCU|Short|2011-10-25|Thor|A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer||
MCU|Film|2012-05-04|Avengers|The Avengers||
MCU|Film|2012-09-25|Avengers|Item 47||
MCU|Film|2013-05-03|Iron Man|Iron Man 3||
MCU|Short|2013-09-03|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agent Carter||
MCU|TV|2013-09-24|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)|s01 e01-e06|
MCU|FIlm|2013-11-08|Thor|Thor: The Dark World||
MCU|TV|2013-11-12|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)|s01 e07-e16|
MCU|Short|2014-02-04|Thor|All Hail the King||
MCU|film|2014-04-04|Captain America|Captain America: The Winter Soldier||
MCU|TV|2014-04-08|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)|s01 e17-e22|
MCU|film|2014-08-01|GotG|Guardians of the Galaxy||
MCU|TV|2014-09-23|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)|s02 e01-e19|
MCU|TV|2015-01-06|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agent Carter (http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=45638.new#new)|s01 e01-e08|
MCU|Netflix|2015-04-10|Daredevil|Daredevil (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44053.new#new)|s01 e01-e13|
MCU|Film|2015-05-01|Avengers|Avengers: Age of Ultron||
MCU|TV|2015-05-05|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)|s02 e19-e22|
MCU|Film|2015-07-17|Ant-Man|Ant-Man||
MCU|TV|2015-09-29|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)|s03 e01-e08|
MCU|Netflix|2015-11-20|Jessica Jones|Jessica Jones (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45599.new#new)|s01 e01-e13|
MCU|TV|2015-12-01|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)|s03 e09-e10|
MCU|TV|2016-01-19|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agent Carter (http://sguforums.com/index.php?topic=45638.new#new)|s02 e01-e10|
MCU|TV|2016-03-08|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43174.new#new)|s03 e11-e22|
MCU|Netflix|2016-03-18|Daredevil|Daredevil (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44053.new#new)|s02 e01-e13|
MCU|Film|2016-05-06|Captain America|Captain America: Civil War||
MCU|Netflix|2016-09-30|Defenders|Luke Cage|s01 e01-e13|
MCU|Film|2016-11-04|Doctor Strange|Doctor Strange||
MCU|Film|2017-05-05|GotG|Guardians of the Galaxy 2||
MCU|Film|2017-07-28|Spider-Man|Spider-Man||
MCU|Film|2017-11-03|Thor|Thor: Ragnarok||
MCU|Netflix|2017-12-31|Defenders|Iron Fist|s01 e01-e13|Actual date unknown.
MCU|Netflix|2018-02-16|Black Panther|Black Panther|s01 e01-e13|
MCU|Film|2018-05-04|Avengers|Avengers: Infinity War - Part 1||
MCU|Film|2018-07-06|Ant-Man|Ant-Man and the Wasp||
MCU|Netflix|2018-12-31|Defenders|The Defenders|s01 e01-e13|
MCU|Film|2019-03-08|Captain Marvel|Captain Marvel||
MCU|Film|2019-05-03|Avengers|Avengers: Infinity War - Part 2||
MCU|FIlm|2019-07-12|S.H.I.E.L.D.|Inhumans||
MCU|Netflix|2019-12-31|Defenders|Jessica Jones (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,45599.new#new)|s02 e01-e13|The season has been announced but no date has been set. Could be post Defenders.
MCU|?|2025-12-31|Unknown|Damage Control|s01 e00-e00|Actual date unknown.
MCU|?|2025-12-31|Unknown|Legion|s01 e00-e00|Actual date unknown.
MCU|?|2025-12-31|Unknown|Hellfire|s01 e00-e00|Actual date unknown.
XMEN|Film|2000-07-14|X-Men|X-Men||
XMEN|Film|2003-05-02|X-Men|X2||
XMEN|Film|2006-05-26|X-Men|X-Men: The Last Stand||
XMEN|Film|2009-05-01|Wolverine|X-Men Origins: Wolverine||
XMEN|Film|2011-06-03|X-Men|X-Men: First Class||
XMEN|Film|2013-07-26|Wolverine|The Wolverine||
XMEN|Film|2014-05-23|X-Men|X-Men: Days of Future Past||
XMEN|Film|2016-02-12|Deadpool|Deadpool (http://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,44738.new#new)||
XMEN|Film|2016-05-27|X-Men|X-Men: Apocalypse||
XMEN|Film|2018-12-31|Gambit|Gambit||
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on March 13, 2016, 10:31:15 AM
I missed out on Blue and Gold for the most part, but what I got I loved.
 It would be a great TV series, shame they haven't adapted it
They might, there have been rumors.
I hope they hold off until the tv unisverse is at a stronger standard. Legends is really dragging it down.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on March 13, 2016, 11:52:12 PM
Yeah, I'd rather something other than CW style fair.
 Flash is fun, but Arrow has been loosing me.
 Something a little different would be nice.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on March 14, 2016, 07:13:57 AM
This is a good place for something that has been bothering me in a meta sense about the Ironfist casting.
First off, I rarely have a bad opinion about a casting but this specific actor, white or not, is pretty shit in my opinion. Then again, maybe he did a great interview and maybe he will get into awesome shape.
Secondly, the racial aspect. I actually think he should be white rather than east asian. The character is entirely made of racist tropes so its almost pointless to try and fix him because he wont be the character anymore. I think making him asian would be worse because suddenly the only asian hero in the marvel universe has super kung fu powers. Really progressive.
So I dont really care about the character, I dont really care that he is white, but it does kind of annoy me that people discussing it are acting like east asian and white are the only two ethnicities in the world. You could make him literally any other ethnicity and it would be less racist than the only two everyone is talking about. Still a bit stereotypical of east asian culture, but still better.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on March 14, 2016, 08:42:17 AM
I think it would have been interesting if they had made him Asian, but 3rd generation.  It would have been interesting for the character to experience those tropes as basically an American,  raised on comic books and pop culture, and totally oblivious to the actual spiritual heritage that the comic book tropes comes from.

Or a south Asian person.  That'd be cool too.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on March 14, 2016, 09:04:58 AM
This is a good place for something that has been bothering me in a meta sense about the Ironfist casting.
First off, I rarely have a bad opinion about a casting but this specific actor, white or not, is pretty shit in my opinion. Then again, maybe he did a great interview and maybe he will get into awesome shape.
Secondly, the racial aspect. I actually think he should be white rather than east asian. The character is entirely made of racist tropes so its almost pointless to try and fix him because he wont be the character anymore. I think making him asian would be worse because suddenly the only asian hero in the marvel universe has super kung fu powers. Really progressive.
So I dont really care about the character, I dont really care that he is white, but it does kind of annoy me that people discussing it are acting like east asian and white are the only two ethnicities in the world. You could make him literally any other ethnicity and it would be less racist than the only two everyone is talking about. Still a bit stereotypical of east asian culture, but still better.

How well do you know the character?

His best friend and the man he owes his life to a hundred times over and vice/versa is black.

Iron Fist's significant other, (eventually wife) is black.  (That was in the late 70's/early 80s mind you.  Mixed race couples weren't exactly cool with everyone back then.)

The rest of the supporting cast of his book is nearly entirely Chinese or Japanese characters.

"Entirely made of racist tropes" is a bit harsh, isn't it?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on March 15, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
I know I mentioned Vixen earlier which is a show on the CW web app.  It now is a possibility that the character may move to Legends of Tomorrow, or join Arrow or the Flash.

Over on the Marvel side, I came across this little gem.

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v20413978thdXXj6f

Black Panther. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_(TV_series))  It is pretty damn good.  And the animation is flawed, but at its best, simply beautiful.  It only ran for 6 episodes though. 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on March 15, 2016, 07:15:38 PM
Good finds!
I really liked vixen. Seems like Legends is slowly but surely dropping dead weight?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on March 15, 2016, 07:49:25 PM
Good finds!
I really liked vixen. Seems like Legends is slowly but surely dropping dead weight?

yeah - It peaked with the time pirates.  And last ep sucked and blew.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on March 16, 2016, 02:57:48 AM
We're giving it the season, I think. It could eject us sooner though.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on April 30, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
This is interesting:
http://batman-news.com/2016/04/30/zack-snyder-warner-bros-fight-justice-league/
Looks like the DCEU might end up looking very different to how it has been planned.  Snyder wrangling is in progress.

Its got to suck for the other directors knowing that they have to wait until Snyder is done with their characters in HIS movie before they know where they stand with them for their movie. Batman is a good example, if you had been writing that movie, you would have to work in the fact that this version uses machine guns. Not something you might predict, so may be at odds with major themes you want to address.
Then add to the fact that Snyder has a pretty much 0% hit rate for creative changes he has made from page to screen, I can imagine the wait would not be in any way pleasant.
Want to make a cheerful and optimistic Flash? You need to deal with the (hypothetical) fact that he appeared in Justice League as a brooding cynic.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on April 30, 2016, 09:56:09 AM
Yay.  He needs to be detached from all things DC.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on April 30, 2016, 10:38:24 AM
Im not sure he will be.
But how many chances to fail does a guy get? Im sure his wife being a producer on BvS and JL hasnt hurt him.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on April 30, 2016, 11:56:58 AM
All that said - despite all the reviews - I'm hoping to get to see Snyder's vision of the Justice League without any executive meddling.
Despite its failures, I loved BvS for what it was - and I can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on April 30, 2016, 12:15:57 PM
Well BvS had lots of executive meddling apparently so maybe you would enjoy it more?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on April 30, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Well BvS had lots of executive meddling apparently so maybe you would enjoy it more?

I enjoyed it plenty, but who knows. Hard to judge hypotheticals.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on April 30, 2016, 02:32:49 PM
Well BvS had lots of executive meddling apparently so maybe you would enjoy it more?

I enjoyed it plenty, but who knows. Hard to judge hypotheticals.
Im not joking btw! Im not having a go at you for liking it, my only point is that there was lots of interference so maybe such a formula will work for you again?
I feel like they will force a tonal change though so maybe not.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on May 01, 2016, 07:21:33 PM
Oh man, I just heard about this:

Batman the Animated Series movie (http://www.wkyc.com/news/nation-now/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-batman-the-killing-joke-trailer/158860977), rated R, starring most of the original main-role voices... I can't fucking wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTSqgJPVl8

The linked article does mention the main criticism about the original comic:

Quote
The original comic by Moore was known for its violent treatment and "fridging" (when a female character is killed or incapacitated to motivate a male character) of Barbara Gordon, known as Batgirl.

While The Killing Joke has become the foundation for the modern Joker's origin story and psychotic personality, its blasé crippling of Batgirl has led many comics fans to denounce The Killing Joke, and even writer Moore to voice his regret over the comic.

A more detailed piece (http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/its-time-to-kill-the-killing-joke) on the problems in the original Killing Joke.

The trailer hints at most of the original plot: Batman and Joker going at it full throttle after Joker attacks Barbara Gordon aka Batgirl. But while that trope is annoying, what would kill it for me is what's described in the hitfix article. I could stand for Batgirl's injury to be a driving motivation for Batman, but not if Batgirl is treated is a sexploited weakling.

What say y'all?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 01, 2016, 10:55:21 PM
Oh man, I just heard about this:

Batman the Animated Series movie (http://www.wkyc.com/news/nation-now/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-batman-the-killing-joke-trailer/158860977), rated R, starring most of the original main-role voices... I can't fucking wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTSqgJPVl8

The linked article does mention the main criticism about the original comic:

Quote
The original comic by Moore was known for its violent treatment and "fridging" (when a female character is killed or incapacitated to motivate a male character) of Barbara Gordon, known as Batgirl.

While The Killing Joke has become the foundation for the modern Joker's origin story and psychotic personality, its blasé crippling of Batgirl has led many comics fans to denounce The Killing Joke, and even writer Moore to voice his regret over the comic.

A more detailed piece (http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/its-time-to-kill-the-killing-joke) on the problems in the original Killing Joke.

The trailer hints at most of the original plot: Batman and Joker going at it full throttle after Joker attacks Barbara Gordon aka Batgirl. But while that trope is annoying, what would kill it for me is what's described in the hitfix article. I could stand for Batgirl's injury to be a driving motivation for Batman, but not if Batgirl is treated is a sexploited weakling.

What say y'all?
I'm not steeped in the knowledge, but I agree with the motivations in your post.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on May 02, 2016, 04:24:36 AM
I suspect that they might be following the comic book pretty closely just like the Dark Knight Returns animated movies.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 02, 2016, 06:40:05 AM
Yeah, it is the crux of the whole story, that and the way he tortures Jim Gordon.
The story itself may have used that trope but Barbara went on to deal with her new disability and become Oracle, which I thought was especially cool.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on May 02, 2016, 10:21:34 AM
Yeah, it is the crux of the whole story, that and the way he tortures Jim Gordon.
The story itself may have used that trope but Barbara went on to deal with her new disability and become Oracle, which I thought was especially cool.

It's going to wholly depend on presentation for me. I'm okay with Joker crippling Batgirl, thereby motivating Batman to go farther and harder than usual... but I don't want to see Batgirl exploited in a sexual manner. Leave her womanhood out of it... comic fans get enough reminders that "girls are different," so while it's fine with me that a female character can hurt and suffer, I don't think that hurt and suffering should *also* include any preying upon the sexual fantasies of pubescent boys.

I talked about this with a good friend of mine last night; she's already ordered the trade paperback in anticipation of the film, but she hadn't heard this criticism. I'm going to borrow it when she's done and talk it over with her.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on May 02, 2016, 10:59:23 AM
I just read the comic  book last week in anticipation for the movie, and I have to only partially agree. Spoilers ahead:

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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on May 02, 2016, 11:18:31 AM
I just read the comic  book last week in anticipation for the movie, and I have to only partially agree. Spoilers ahead:

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Glad to hear this take, I was worried after reading the above article. I look forward to reading it myself, and hearing from my feminist comic-enthusiast friend. If it's that small of an error, I'd hope it's easy enough to excise from the cinematic presentation.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 02, 2016, 11:26:39 AM
Honestly, Batman doesnt even really go that much harder than normal anyway. If you are already beating people into hospital and refuse to kill or maim anyone then there isnt really anywhere to go.
If anything, my biggest problem with it is the final scene
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It never really made sense to me in the context of Batmans character, despite being a great Joker moment.
Yeah, thats right, I think Alan Moore made a mistake. Come at me.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on May 02, 2016, 11:46:27 AM
Honestly, Batman doesnt even really go that much harder than normal anyway. If you are already beating people into hospital and refuse to kill or maim anyone then there isnt really anywhere to go.
If anything, my biggest problem with it is the final scene
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It never really made sense to me in the context of Batmans character, despite being a great Joker moment.
Yeah, thats right, I think Alan Moore made a mistake. Come at me.
I actually agree.
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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on May 02, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
One of the things with Dark Knight Returns (Animated) is that he finally realized that the only solution to the Joker it to simply kill him.

There was a poster on another forum whom argued that, if he was on a jury trying somebody who killed the Joker with a sniper rifle from several miles, he would acquit based on self defense.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on May 17, 2016, 01:56:45 AM
So, this is interesting:

(http://media.comicbook.com/2016/05/harleyquinn-margotrobbie-suicidesquad-182765.png)

Warner Bros. Developing Harley Quinn Movie (http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/05/16/warner-bros-developing-harley-quinn-movie/)!

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"But in an interesting twist, the project is not a Quinn solo movie," THR adds. "Rather, it would focus on several of DC’s female heroes and villains."
Who might that include? Reportedly, "names such as Batgirl and Birds of Prey have surfaced, although in what capacity, it’s not clear."

Also as it turns out, it's actually being developed BY Margot Robbie!
The report says that to prepare for Suicide Squad she took a deep dive into the comics, fell in love in the female characters of the Batverse - and started working with her own writer on a script that she later brought to WB who immediately took it up!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 17, 2016, 02:02:33 AM
^^^How do I like 2^128 times?

Marvel is way ahead in a lot of ways, but if DC has heroes who are women in the fore my daughter is gonna be all over that. (So will I, btw.)
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on May 17, 2016, 02:20:58 AM
^^^How do I like 2^128 times?

Marvel is way ahead in a lot of ways, but if DC has heroes who are women in the fore my daughter is gonna be all over that. (So will I, btw.)

Yeah, DC has Wonder Woman coming out next year and now this!
Meanwhile, Marvel are changing female characters to male in fear of losing toy-sales, and they REALLY want to make that Black Widow movie - like, one day - they REALLY want to make it.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on May 17, 2016, 07:47:03 AM
Which Marvel and DC female super hero (or villains) would you most like to see a solo movie for?
I am curious about for both Marvel and DC?

I would like to see a well done Catwoman for DC. There are several comics where I think just a bit of additional material would make for a good movie. For example, the Catwoman animated short
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjQPXvQ7ZPQ

Marvel, while I love Kitty Pryde, I think there would be issues with an animated short. Black Widow at least is not a derivative character like Spider Woman or She-Hulk.  Trying to think of somebody else however.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 17, 2016, 09:10:11 AM
Theres so many for me.
I find She-Hulk infinitely more interesting than the original Hulk, her stories are actually awesome. Spiderwoman is very interesting because she is only tangentially related to Spiderman and she is more of a spy, the name is too much baggage though.

From Marvel- Hawkeye (but Whedon kind of ruined him with his stupid family bit)

Amadeus Cho (hard character to explain, basically a boy genuus whos intellect is so massive, its practically a superpower even compared to Stark)

Agent Venom would be cool.



DC-
Mr Miracle seems a no brainer for bringing in Darkseid.

The Question

Martian Manhunter (So much you could do with that character. His origin could be his failure to save his planet)

Birds of Prey

Tim Drake (animated movie would be awesome)

Nightwing

Guy Gardner Green Lantern (his cynicism would match the public perception of green lantern)

An Arsenal movie could be great if it explored a person trying to be a good  guy but gradually becoming less heroic due to substance abuse.

Power Girl- Mainly cos I like bewbs. I mean, the Geoff Johns run was fantastic sit com fodder but.....mainly bewbs.(honestly, she has some great stories but ironically her depiction stops her being taken seriously and she is too closely related to superman)

I actually find catwoman and Harley Quinn a tad boring. They are bad but never allowed to be BAD. They are independant but inexorably tied to male characters.
They are so rarely allowed to do anything interesting for fear they might be seen as sluts or outright villains.
Id honestly like to see catwoman redone as a flat out baddie with no sexual chemistry element.
Harley is cool but she is basically a worse (as in, she was with joker, he is worse than fred west) version of Myra Hinley who decides to bash other baddies now and then.
That said, I am excited for Margo Robbies version.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on May 17, 2016, 09:33:11 AM
Harry, I did say "female" specifically  :-\
Listed a lot of male characters.

Catwoman is not a villain so much as amoral. She is also not a psychopath so she has actual friends she cares about. 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 17, 2016, 09:54:18 AM
Shit yeah. Sorry, I got carried away.
She-Hulk is still top of my list.

There is a female Hawkeye and she is badass:-p

Catwoman, yes, I know they make her amoral. Im just bored of it. The character hasnt really done much narratively since the 90s cartoon.

Cassandra Cain Batgirl is kind of cool.

Big Barda would be awesome and again ties in Darkseid.

X-23 would be cool. She is a female wolverine clone.

Ms Marvel would be right up there with She-Hulk for me in terms of perfect for screen characters.

Domino from x-force could carry a film I think.

The Question is a woman now. And she is/was dating/married to Maggie Sawyer who is a cop who transferred from metropolis to gotham and is basically a specialist in meta human crime and heads up an anti meta human SWAT team. I think that would make an AMAZING film in the current DCEU.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 17, 2016, 06:28:14 PM
From Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_films#Captain_Marvel_.282019.29):


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Captain Marvel (2019)

Further information: Carol Danvers § Film

In May 2013, The Hollywood Reporter reported that Marvel had a working script for Ms. Marvel.[354] In October 2014, Marvel announced the film would be titled Captain Marvel and feature Carol Danvers.[208]In April 2015, Nicole Perlman & Meg LeFauve were announced as screenwriters.[313] The film is scheduled to be released on March 8, 2019.[202]

Black Widow, sure.

I'd love to see Maria Hill in a straight up Bond type spy movies with some real grit, though the Mission Impossible vibe my might work better in the MCU.

I'd love to see a new human woman green lantern with no specific connection to the previous GLs. Start the movie with Ryan Reynolds being brutally murdered by a big bad, or having her stickied through a space-time disruption by an alien invasion or whatever. Green Lantern was always so boring to me because of his lack of imagination. Imagine if the character (regardless of sex or species) was a surgeon or a roboticist or a stage magician. The possibilities for a great story are endless.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 17, 2016, 06:36:54 PM
Female GL would be cool!
They havent made best use of the character in animation or live action.
Kyle Raynor is an artist who got the ring, Jon Stewart was an architect.
Guy Gardner actually had a super interesting back story but I actually like that he has no imagination, he is the hammer of the green lantern corps, pure brute force and jerky attitude.

I understand there is actually a female GL in the new reboot and the animation Emerald Knights featured a few who could carry their own space opera movies.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 18, 2016, 12:43:06 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-v-superman-fallout-warner-895174
Structeral changes at WB around DC movies. This looks like a good thing.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on May 19, 2016, 12:47:57 AM
Waaaaaaaay too early MCU predictions:

Thor 3: Hemsworth Thor is gonna die, lady Thor is coming in. Half assed world war hulk storyline is going to be stuffed in.

Infinity war: Captain America and Iron Man are going to die.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on May 19, 2016, 12:49:00 AM
Waaaaaaaay too early MCU predictions:

Thor 3: Hemsworth Thor is gonna die, lady Thor is coming in. Half assed world war hulk storyline is going to be stuffed in.

Infinity war: Captain America and Iron Man are going to die.

I want all of this except the "half assed" part.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on May 19, 2016, 12:50:28 AM
Me too man, I would be okay with all of it. I just think they are going to do world war hulk as some side story in Thor 3, when that magnitude of a story deserves its own movie.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on May 19, 2016, 01:00:49 AM
Female GL would be cool!
They havent made best use of the character in animation or live action.
Kyle Raynor is an artist who got the ring, Jon Stewart was an architect.
Guy Gardner actually had a super interesting back story but I actually like that he has no imagination, he is the hammer of the green lantern corps, pure brute force and jerky attitude.

I understand there is actually a female GL in the new reboot and the animation Emerald Knights featured a few who could carry their own space opera movies.

like to see a gL movie featuring Laira
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2016, 07:10:37 AM
I dont think we will be seeing lady Thor.
Just a feeling.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on May 19, 2016, 02:37:11 PM
I dont think we will be seeing lady Thor.
Just a feeling.

Yeah, because toys.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2016, 03:41:29 PM
I dont think we will be seeing lady Thor.
Just a feeling.

Yeah, because toys.
Even at that. Her story is interesting enough...but not great. And we have already had Thor lose mjolnir and become worthy again two movies ago.
Also, with Hemsworths lack of success outside the role, I dont feel like he will want to go anywhere for a while.
And mostly- Toys.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on May 19, 2016, 04:22:19 PM
And now - this:
https://youtu.be/MLTL49Wa0g8

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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2016, 04:27:10 PM
And now - this:
https://youtu.be/MLTL49Wa0g8

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Looks like a good series of youtube skits? I hope Im wrong though because the cast looks amazing and thats the kind of DCEU I want.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 06, 2016, 12:17:19 AM
Finished binging on Daredevil tonight; I really liked it! Season 2 was much stronger, in pretty much every way. Punisher an Electra were both super cool.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on July 11, 2016, 09:27:11 AM
I liked season 2, but I wanted to LOVE season 2.

They could have trimmed a couple episodes worth of fat and been just fine. 

Stuff I loved:

Punisher and DD's debate on the roof with Punisher tied up.

Murdock's confrontation with the Kingpin in prison!  (Vincent D'Onofrio IS that character in a way that the other actors are not able to be theirs. He's so great in everything he does.)

The brawl on the stairway with Matt and the Dogs of Hell.  Matt's grin as he finishes the battle was the icing on the cake.  He LOVES this violence, though he has yet to admit it. (Someone in the production is a fan of the movie The Raid: Redemption (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raid_(2011_film)) I'm a fan too.)


Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 11, 2016, 01:07:15 PM
Yeah, definitely some fat that could have been trimmed. For a few episodes, I found myself playing on my phone whenever people would start talking to each other... but for the most part, yeah, it was extremely entertaining. I think the fight choreography looks great, especially for a TV show, and the characters act in mostly intelligent and believable ways. The ethics brought up by punisher's v. electra's v. DD's styles was also both engaging and written well.

I love the Punisher and Electra both "found" themselves at the end of the season, I can't wait to see more of them--and you're absolutely right about Kingpin, he's so fucking good.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 12, 2016, 05:23:10 AM
My only punisher problems were the Blacksmith reveal, the weirdness of his house being as he left it (and what he did with it) and narratively, the fact that he seemed a near match for DD physically. But visually it was awesome and the prison fight is the highlight of the season for me.
I love that he accumulated damage.

Weird that his lesson to Karen was that love is all about emotional abuse so just put up with it. But meh, he is a messed up dude.
I couldnt really have asked for a better portrayal. Heard an interview with a crew member who was mic-ing him and mentioned punisher is her fav character so Bernthal insisted on taking her aside and consulting to make sure he was nailing it.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 12, 2016, 02:50:55 PM
I couldnt really have asked for a better portrayal. Heard an interview with a crew member who was mic-ing him and mentioned punisher is her fav character so Bernthal insisted on taking her aside and consulting to make sure he was nailing it.

That. Is. Awesome.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 12, 2016, 03:14:13 PM
I couldnt really have asked for a better portrayal. Heard an interview with a crew member who was mic-ing him and mentioned punisher is her fav character so Bernthal insisted on taking her aside and consulting to make sure he was nailing it.

That. Is. Awesome.
Yeah. It was unrelated to the movie promotion, she was on Comic Book Club promoting her own stuff. She wasnt afraid to talk shit about quite a few actors but she gushed over the DD cast.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on July 13, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
I was at Walmart today and noticed that they had female DC action figures (Wonder Woman and Harley) but no Marvel ones
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on July 13, 2016, 10:18:20 PM
I was at Walmart today and noticed that they had female DC action figures (Wonder Woman and Harley) but no Marvel ones

Didn't they nix the Black Widow action figure all together and give Captain America her motorcycle? So weird.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 14, 2016, 01:16:35 AM
I was at Walmart today and noticed that they had female DC action figures (Wonder Woman and Harley) but no Marvel ones

Didn't they nix the Black Widow action figure all together and give Captain America her motorcycle? So weird.

Probably based solely on sales. It'd be nice if they were more forward thinking, but capitalism do what it does.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 14, 2016, 05:25:03 AM
I was at Walmart today and noticed that they had female DC action figures (Wonder Woman and Harley) but no Marvel ones

Didn't they nix the Black Widow action figure all together and give Captain America her motorcycle? So weird.

Probably based solely on sales. It'd be nice if they were more forward thinking, but capitalism do what it does.
I believe they did it beforethe toys were released. So Im not sure how they knew?
It reminds me of that leaked Sony email about not putting Denzel in The Equalizer because people in Asia and Europe wont go to see movies with black leads.
Based on nothing and turned out to be wrong.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on July 23, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
First look at Justice League:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&ebc=ANyPxKperfO9QKm7DvS6h81kd2sqIl9-gshxoH08Rz9IfVp-ZFcZDeSQV2DOov3TcxrMY3f4vWJ_jbW1_nxPkCy53GvnnJDTXA&v=gglkYMGRYlE (http://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&ebc=ANyPxKperfO9QKm7DvS6h81kd2sqIl9-gshxoH08Rz9IfVp-ZFcZDeSQV2DOov3TcxrMY3f4vWJ_jbW1_nxPkCy53GvnnJDTXA&v=gglkYMGRYlE)


How to embed?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on July 23, 2016, 06:17:13 PM
First look at Justice League:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglkYMGRYlE


How to embed?

There ya go.

Christ, Im not sure if its just clever editing, or if I just like that song, or if it actually looks good.

DC DONT HURT ME AGAIN.

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on July 23, 2016, 06:20:05 PM
Justice League
DC don't hurt me
Don't hurt me
No more
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on July 23, 2016, 06:20:30 PM
Thank you!!!!

Here is Wonder Woman:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGoQhFb4NM

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on July 23, 2016, 06:24:19 PM
I admittedly dont know shit about Aquaman, Ive heard it said that he is as strong as superman as long as he is in the water, so what does that make him out of the water?

Off to the wiki I go.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on July 23, 2016, 06:28:10 PM
I admittedly dont know shit about Aquaman, Ive heard it said that he is as strong as superman as long as he is in the water, so what does that make him out of the water?

Off to the wiki I go.

I don't know too much about him, but I know he's usually the butt of jokes and it's clear that they really want to destroy that image.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on July 23, 2016, 06:38:59 PM
https://youtu.be/m0Xb9BhfVjY

I'm feeling some excitement in my secret places.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on July 23, 2016, 07:08:34 PM
Aquaman is almost as strong and durable as Superman, most of the jokes come from the Super friends cartoon and the image hasn't really recovered.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 23, 2016, 08:24:59 PM
Wonder Woman trailer
https://youtu.be/5lGoQhFb4NM

Looks...fine. Didnt think the last joke was all that funny.
Kind of pointless to see her fighting WW1 conscripts when Ive already seen her fight a kryptonian abomination.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on July 23, 2016, 08:56:30 PM
I actually don't mind them de-escalating the threat.
I mean, I like these metaverse projects (I don't want them to be the only things, but I'd like them to be things)
But we are going to have to get used to gearing down a little, because they're going to quickly run out of bad guys who can actually eat the universe
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on July 23, 2016, 09:36:46 PM
I actually don't mind them de-escalating the threat.
I mean, I like these metaverse projects (I don't want them to be the only things, but I'd like them to be things)
But we are going to have to get used to gearing down a little, because they're going to quickly run out of bad guys who can actually eat the universe

That's the problem I'm  seeing in the MCU. Thanos already? He's a pretty big hitter.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 23, 2016, 09:44:44 PM
I actually don't mind them de-escalating the threat.
I mean, I like these metaverse projects (I don't want them to be the only things, but I'd like them to be things)
But we are going to have to get used to gearing down a little, because they're going to quickly run out of bad guys who can actually eat the universe
De-escalated threat is fine. But how can those guys possibly be a match for her? I feel like there ought not to be any tension because we know what she is capable of.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on July 24, 2016, 11:27:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglkYMGRYlE

Ha.  Go to about 1:44

The Flash likes Rick and Morty

(http://i.imgur.com/pc1TMfd.jpg)
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 24, 2016, 11:31:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglkYMGRYlE

Ha.  Go to about 1:44

The Flash likes Rick and Morty

(http://i.imgur.com/pc1TMfd.jpg)
Sigh. Im optimistic again.
At least enough time will have passed for me to create false memories of BvS.
Which is exactly how I was with MoS going into BvS.
This is starting to feel like an abusive relationship.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on July 24, 2016, 12:32:51 PM
I actually don't mind them de-escalating the threat.
I mean, I like these metaverse projects (I don't want them to be the only things, but I'd like them to be things)
But we are going to have to get used to gearing down a little, because they're going to quickly run out of bad guys who can actually eat the universe

That's the problem I'm  seeing in the MCU. Thanos already? He's a pretty big hitter.
Already? Iron Man came out in 2008. By the time we see Thanos in a big way it will be what, 12 years of movies and TV shows? I think the Studios have always planned for a new generation of actors to take over the roles after this cycle, because the people playing the characters now will no longer be able to do so.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on July 24, 2016, 03:19:28 PM
We have a Captain Marvel:

http://www.avclub.com/article/brie-larson-officially-captain-marvel-240039
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on July 24, 2016, 03:29:45 PM
Looks like DC is going to continue to own TV.

http://www.avclub.com/article/legion-doom-coming-legends-tomorrow-240043

SHIT YES!

GODDAMMIT.  I have got to stop drinking from the comic con to av club firehose.  Help me!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on July 25, 2016, 07:40:56 AM
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Sigh. Im optimistic again.
At least enough time will have passed for me to create false memories of BvS.
Which is exactly how I was with MoS going into BvS.
This is starting to feel like an abusive relationship.

It appears that someone got the memo that superhero movies can be a little fun.

Also, it's clear that the filmmakers realized what the only part of Batman v. Superman that made any sense was.  Batman.

If Batfleck can pull off any sort of riff on the Giffen/DeMatties era Justice League (put upon/"who are these weirdos?") Batman, I will be a happy, happy dude.

Re: the Wonder Woman trailer - A super soldier fighting a war against the Germans while wielding a shield....hmm...seems familiar.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on July 25, 2016, 08:13:39 AM
The memo: did they ever need to have their faces smacked with it to get it.

BvS: I'm not sure any of it made sense, but at least the Bat was vaguely similar to what a casual consumer would recognize as the character.

Supe: Was not in the trailer at all. Hm. Narratively I really like the death toll the last Superman brings to the table. His character has been compared to a small nuclear weapon, which I think is entirely appropriate. The character was part of something huge and awful - an alien invasion of super powerful creatures - and in his first attempt to use his power to defend Earth he succeeded at great cost (personal and societal). He is still a n00b in that sense, and needs 'people' (like Wonder Woman and Aquaman) who have experience weilding superpower to teach him.

WW: Derivative or copied or just drawing on the same kind l kind of comic history: granted. Also, I don't know if I would care if they essentially copy Captain America scene for scene. (I don't expect them to do anything like that in terms of origin, of course.) I want a WW story with an unambiguous bad guy and a simple moral arc. If she were to start in today's world her moral clarity would be as fucked up as Superman's.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on July 25, 2016, 08:17:44 AM
The memo: did they ever need to have their faces smacked with it to get it.

BvS: I'm not sure any of it made sense, but at least the Bat was vaguely similar to what a casual consumer would recognize as there character.

Supe: Was not in the trailer at all. Hm. Narratively I really like the death toll the last Superman brings to the table. His character has been compared to a small nuclear weapon, which I think is entirely appropriate. The character was part of something huge and awful - an alien invasion of support powerful creatures - and in his first attempt to use house power to defend Earth he succeeded at great cost (personal and societal). Here still a n00b in that sense, and needs 'people' (like Wonder Woman and Aquaman) who have experienced weilding superpower to teach him.

WW: Derivative or copied or just drawing on the same kind l kind of comic history: granted. Also, I don't know if I would care if they essentially copy Captain America scene for scene. (I don't expect them to do anything like that in terms of origin, of course.) I want a WW story with an unambiguous bad guy and a simple moral arc. If she were to start in today's world her moral clarity would be as fucked up as Superman's.

That was more me joking around more than anything.  Though it is inevitable that people will notice.  Actually, comics history wise, I think Wonder Woman and Cap have the same essential origin.  Created as patriotic characters during the war but before the United States entered the fray.  Fought Nazis.

Though it looks like the movie is making Steve Trevor a WWI soldier, rather than WWII.  Probably a good move. So that Wonder Woman plays a little less like a Captain America remake "with a LADY!"
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on July 25, 2016, 08:32:49 AM
The memo: did they ever need to have their faces smacked with it to get it.

BvS: I'm not sure any of it made sense, but at least the Bat was vaguely similar to what a casual consumer would recognize as there character.

Supe: Was not in the trailer at all. Hm. Narratively I really like the death toll the last Superman brings to the table. His character has been compared to a small nuclear weapon, which I think is entirely appropriate. The character was part of something huge and awful - an alien invasion of support powerful creatures - and in his first attempt to use house power to defend Earth he succeeded at great cost (personal and societal). Here still a n00b in that sense, and needs 'people' (like Wonder Woman and Aquaman) who have experienced weilding superpower to teach him.

WW: Derivative or copied or just drawing on the same kind l kind of comic history: granted. Also, I don't know if I would care if they essentially copy Captain America scene for scene. (I don't expect them to do anything like that in terms of origin, of course.) I want a WW story with an unambiguous bad guy and a simple moral arc. If she were to start in today's world her moral clarity would be as fucked up as Superman's.

That was more me joking around more than anything.  Though it is inevitable that people will notice.  Actually, comics history wise, I think Wonder Woman and Cap have the same essential origin.  Created as patriotic characters during the war but before the United States entered the fray.  Fought Nazis.

Though it looks like the movie is making Steve Trevor a WWI soldier, rather than WWII.  Probably a good move. So that Wonder Woman plays a little less like a Captain America remake "with a LADY!"
Understood. Still a good point.

I thought it looked like WWI, but wasn't sure.

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Rai on July 25, 2016, 09:15:01 AM
WW: Derivative or copied or just drawing on the same kind l kind of comic history: granted. Also, I don't know if I would care if they essentially copy Captain America scene for scene. (I don't expect them to do anything like that in terms of origin, of course.) I want a WW story with an unambiguous bad guy and a simple moral arc. If she were to start in today's world her moral clarity would be as fucked up as Superman's.

I am somewhat concerned about WW fighting in the trenches. If there ever was a war with no moral clarity, it is WWI. What's the point of an invincible superhero massacring innocent German bakers, shopkeepers and students who were conscripted to be slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands so that the high command could move their drinks cabinet six inches closer to Paris?

The only way I could see it working if the plot was weaved into the 'Angels of Mons' story, but that would be way too smart for the Snyderverse, and anyway, the German helmets are of a later design, the trenches are already in place and there are Americans and German tanks involved.

Why can't she be in the WW II Mediterranean? Greece, Italy, Even North Africa are perfectly fine for Nazi-killing and are really underrepresentd in cinema. The Battle of Crete or the Dodecanese Campaign would have been perfect options.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on July 25, 2016, 09:27:09 AM
WW: Derivative or copied or just drawing on the same kind l kind of comic history: granted. Also, I don't know if I would care if they essentially copy Captain America scene for scene. (I don't expect them to do anything like that in terms of origin, of course.) I want a WW story with an unambiguous bad guy and a simple moral arc. If she were to start in today's world her moral clarity would be as fucked up as Superman's.

I am somewhat concerned about WW fighting in the trenches. If there ever was a war with no moral clarity, it is WWI. What's the point of an invincible superhero massacring innocent German bakers, shopkeepers and students who were conscripted to be slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands so that the high command could move their drinks cabinet six inches closer to Paris?

The only way I could see it working if the plot was weaved into the 'Angels of Mons' story, but that would be way too smart for the Snyderverse, and anyway, the German helmets are of a later design, the trenches are already in place and there are Americans and German tanks involved.

Why can't she be in the WW II Mediterranean? Greece, Italy, Even North Africa are perfectly fine for Nazi-killing and are really underrepresentd in cinema. The Battle of Crete or the Dodecanese Campaign would have been perfect options.

Maybe she saves Mel Gibson from the orders of the tea-sipping Brits at Gallipolli?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Rai on July 25, 2016, 09:43:26 AM
WW: Derivative or copied or just drawing on the same kind l kind of comic history: granted. Also, I don't know if I would care if they essentially copy Captain America scene for scene. (I don't expect them to do anything like that in terms of origin, of course.) I want a WW story with an unambiguous bad guy and a simple moral arc. If she were to start in today's world her moral clarity would be as fucked up as Superman's.

I am somewhat concerned about WW fighting in the trenches. If there ever was a war with no moral clarity, it is WWI. What's the point of an invincible superhero massacring innocent German bakers, shopkeepers and students who were conscripted to be slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands so that the high command could move their drinks cabinet six inches closer to Paris?

The only way I could see it working if the plot was weaved into the 'Angels of Mons' story, but that would be way too smart for the Snyderverse, and anyway, the German helmets are of a later design, the trenches are already in place and there are Americans and German tanks involved.

Why can't she be in the WW II Mediterranean? Greece, Italy, Even North Africa are perfectly fine for Nazi-killing and are really underrepresentd in cinema. The Battle of Crete or the Dodecanese Campaign would have been perfect options.

Maybe she saves Mel Gibson from the orders of the tea-sipping Brits at Gallipolli?

She seems to be involved in the Spring Offensive or the Hundred Days Offensive, far from Gallipoli, because having a WWi movie that is not about the Northern section of the Western Front could at least be interesting.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 25, 2016, 11:41:53 AM
I agree, people seem to forget that its called WORLD war 1 and not europe war 1 for a reason. There was so much interesting and untouched history they could have tapped, but nope- germans=bad (apparently, maybe that wont be the case?)
But i understand WW's experience in WW1 to be why she gave up on humanity and started wearing pretty dresses or whatever.
Im willing to bet her actuall enemy will be Ares and that her opponents will take the form of whatever corrupable soldiers are to hand. Its the only way the plot makes sense and since snyder isnt heavily on board, im hoping it will make sense.
Personally I dont NEED fun, but I need an attempt at cohesive storytelling.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Rai on July 25, 2016, 12:09:19 PM
But i understand WW's experience in WW1 to be why she gave up on humanity and started wearing pretty dresses or whatever.

This gave ma another great WWI WW plot: WW at Verdun, with all her superpowers, stuck in a moderately flimsy dugout during the initial 10 hour artillery bombardment, completely powerless, and losing all faith in humanity, warfare and herself.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 25, 2016, 12:30:15 PM
But i understand WW's experience in WW1 to be why she gave up on humanity and started wearing pretty dresses or whatever.

This gave ma another great WWI WW plot: WW at Verdun, with all her superpowers, stuck in a moderately flimsy dugout during the initial 10 hour artillery bombardment, completely powerless, and losing all faith in humanity, warfare and herself.
Again though, she can hold her own with a kryptonian. The only way the bombardment continues is if she lets it, boat or no.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on July 25, 2016, 12:38:31 PM
I think she is trying to stop WWI, and is not fighting for any side, per se.  Which, if true, is a very interesting dynamic.

Does she actually kill anyone in the trailer? 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Rai on July 25, 2016, 01:10:58 PM
But i understand WW's experience in WW1 to be why she gave up on humanity and started wearing pretty dresses or whatever.

This gave ma another great WWI WW plot: WW at Verdun, with all her superpowers, stuck in a moderately flimsy dugout during the initial 10 hour artillery bombardment, completely powerless, and losing all faith in humanity, warfare and herself.
Again though, she can hold her own with a kryptonian. The only way the bombardment continues is if she lets it, boat or no.

It all depends on the will of the writers...

I think she is trying to stop WWI, and is not fighting for any side, per se.  Which, if true, is a very interesting dynamic.

She is definitely fighting against Germans, on the side of the British somewhere in Northern France.

I am not sure about the rest, though my knowledge about WWI uniforms is lacking. The soldiers on the beach seem to be wearing 1914 pattern German uniforms and the ones with the German planes, I have no clue. They seem more British than anything, but that is impossible, due to the planes.

Anyone else has a better idea?

Does she actually kill anyone in the trailer? 

I am sure that many of those stabs/slashes connected. This is the Murderverse after all.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on July 25, 2016, 01:59:54 PM
Well this is all based on rumor, but I think she tries to stop the war because Ares is using it to take over Themscrya
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 25, 2016, 02:40:55 PM
It does all depend on the will of the writers. But if we have previously established she can lift, say, 100kg one handed, and then they try to create tension by making us wonder if she can lift 15kg two handed...thats kind of bad writing.

We do indeed see her fighting Germans, but I will be really disappointed if thats the only nationality she does fight. Not that DC is above dissapointing me.

Pretty sure Wonder Woman is ok to kill people? She did execute someone in the comics and she engaged in wars. She values human life, but it isnt as solid a rule as Batmans (is supposed to be).
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on July 25, 2016, 03:30:27 PM
It does all depend on the will of the writers. But if we have previously established she can lift, say, 100kg one handed, and then they try to create tension by making us wonder if she can lift 15kg two handed...thats kind of bad writing.

We do indeed see her fighting Germans, but I will be really disappointed if thats the only nationality she does fight. Not that DC is above dissapointing me.

Pretty sure Wonder Woman is ok to kill people? She did execute someone in the comics and she engaged in wars. She values human life, but it isnt as solid a rule as Batmans (is supposed to be).

OK.  I do not want to hype myself into a level the movie cannot meet, but how cool would it be if:

Ares starts a war to conquer Themscrya.  He doesn't have the power to win the day, but over here on Earth, humans are getting really crafty with their inventions.  So Ares starts a war on Earth - like one that has not been seen before.  And the death and destruction floods him with power to begin to win against the Amazons.  It also allows Steve Trevor to accidentally fly through into Paradise Island, in its weakened state.

Through the words of Steve Trevor about the outside world, Hippolyta sees what's happening, and sends Diana to the world of men to stop the war. 

What great conflict that'd be.  A warrior who must enforce the peace.  A woman in a very paternalistic world, where one gains status through battle prowess - a tool which she can use with awesome skill, but that tool feeds her ultimate enemy.

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 25, 2016, 03:34:24 PM
We are setting ourselves up for a big fall! :D
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on July 25, 2016, 03:52:45 PM
Ares striking the spark on the Powder Keg seems a good plot starter.
 A lot of what started the war was due to bad luck luck and misfortune.
 Having the world at War would definitely give strength to a god of war narratively.
 And the ego defeating reveal that all he did was kick it off. Every vile act of war was done by plain old humans.
 Having a bit about how the end of WWI left things to launch WWII wouldn't be bad either.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on July 25, 2016, 05:25:05 PM
We are setting ourselves up for a big fall! :D

Its to late

THE HYPE TRAIN IS IN MOTION, NO STOPING UNTIL MY HEART IS BROKEN.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 25, 2016, 05:32:27 PM
We are setting ourselves up for a big fall! :D

Its to late

THE HYPE TRAIN IS IN MOTION, NO STOPING UNTIL MY HEART IS BROKEN.
I think Im running on negative heart at this point!

I heard about the comic con Killing Joke panel where an audience member called out the bullshit of Batgirls plot arc, Brian Azzarello (the writer) said "Wana say that again? Pussy"
It feels like the assholes who never liked our shit have gotten their hands on it and are dishing it out to us with distain.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on July 25, 2016, 05:35:09 PM
We are setting ourselves up for a big fall! :D

Its to late

THE HYPE TRAIN IS IN MOTION, NO STOPING UNTIL MY HEART IS BROKEN.
I think Im running on negative heart at this point!

I heard about the comic con Killing Joke panel where an audience member called out the bullshit of Batgirls plot arc, Brian Azzarello (the writer) said "Wana say that again? Pussy"
It feels like the assholes who never liked our shit have gotten their hands on it and are dishing it out to us with distain.
Sounds like the world of Star Trek fans.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on July 25, 2016, 07:28:32 PM
We are setting ourselves up for a big fall! :D

Its to late

THE HYPE TRAIN IS IN MOTION, NO STOPING UNTIL MY HEART IS BROKEN.
I think Im running on negative heart at this point!

I heard about the comic con Killing Joke panel where an audience member called out the bullshit of Batgirls plot arc, Brian Azzarello (the writer) said "Wana say that again? Pussy"
It feels like the assholes who never liked our shit have gotten their hands on it and are dishing it out to us with distain.

Some context:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-killing-joke-movie-is-a-disaster-right-down-to-its-1784176711

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As such, it should have come as no surprise to DC Comics that some people would voice concerns at The Killing Joke panel at this year’s Comic-Con. The panel, for the most part, started without a hitch. Voice actors Tara Strong and Kevin Conroy talked about reprising their roles of Batgirl and Batman for the film. Mark Hamill, one of the most iconic Jokers ever onscreen, even phoned in to say how excited he was to be returning to the role.

It was during the Q&A that things got dicey. A Joker cosplayer asked the writers why they would downplay Barbara Gordon, such a strong female character, and make her story more about the men in her life. According to Bleeding Cool reporter Jeremy Konrad, the writers insisted she was still a strong female character. Konrad, who’d already seen the film and didn’t agree, himself sarcastically shouted, “Yeah, by using sex and then pining for Bruce.”

That’s when co-screenwriter Brian Azzarello seemed to put it all out there. “Wanna say that again? Pussy?” he asked.

A report by The Hollywood Reporter adds some context to the heated discussion:

“I don’t think she’s pining over Bruce at all,” said Azzarello. “She’s pining over the violence.”

Executive Bruce Timm acknowledged “it’s complicated.”

“I actually like that in that opening story both Batman and Batgirl make a series of mistakes and then it kind of escalates, because Batman kind of overreacts and then she overreacts to her overreaction,” said Timm. That’s a very human thing.”
“There’s clearly an unstated attraction between the two of the characters from the very beginning and I think it’s there in the comics. If you go back and look at the Adam West show, its’ there in the Adam West show,” said Timm. “It’s subtle, but to me it’s always been there.”
Azzarello has a reputation for being contrarian and cantankerous at times. It’s entirely possible that he was reacting to the way the comment was made—shouted from the crowd by a writer who describes himself as frustrated with the film—and not just the content of the remark itself. But, whether he felt he was being heckled or not, his response is crummy. Even if Azzarello disagrees with fans’ reaction or feels attacked, to be so dismissive sours the relationship that fans have with Batgirl, the filmmakers, and DC as a company. The creators can stand by their creative decisions, sure, but they don’t have to be assholes about it.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 25, 2016, 07:32:52 PM
Azzarello is a great writer. Such a shame to see him being a prick.

All in all though, in an era where people complain about studios playing it safe, I wish Warner Bros would play it just a little safe!!
Come on guys. Stop changing shit.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ambious on July 27, 2016, 08:33:03 AM
Finally caught up with all the SDCC news. Here's my rundown:

Justice League

(http://i.imgur.com/ERtP3HH.jpg)

I think Flash looks awesome! His suit is simplistic yet modern. I love it.
Cyborg looks.... offputting. A bit of an uncanny valley thing going on. We'll see.
Aquaman looks badass! Would you ever have imagined anyone saying that? He does though. I'm really excited about this!

https://youtu.be/gglkYMGRYlE

Wonder Woman

(http://i.imgur.com/XRTLoZO.jpg)
What can I say? I drank in every frame and I'm thirsty for more. It looks INCREDIBLE.
Gal Gadot is breathtaking and the costume fits her and the character perfectly.
The action looks amazing!
I'm really looking forward to this movie even more than I am Justice League

https://youtu.be/5lGoQhFb4NM

Justice League Action
I'm not sold on the animation style yet, but I'm loving the characters we've seen so far. Looks like a great way to dip deeper into the more obscure yet fun DC roster. I'm cautiously optimistic.

https://youtu.be/l_rM3rAJsTY

Justice League Dark
Looks really interesting. Zatanna is always a treat, and Constantine when done right is a great character. I'm looking forward to this one as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx1tMn9xdxM
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 27, 2016, 09:41:30 AM
My problem with the JL Dark books was that it was the sexy snarky version of Constantine and not the gross scumbag from the better stories.

I agree the Flash looks interesting though. Im slightly less worried now, as I was dead against the casting (which I rarely am about anything)

I think the feedback on Suicide Squad will alter what we see in the final cuts of all those other movies though.
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Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 27, 2016, 01:15:53 PM
I like the look of JL Action--like it's for kids/young adults. It can't ALL be gritty adult nerdcore.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 27, 2016, 01:59:06 PM
I like the look of JL Action--like it's for kids/young adults. It can't ALL be gritty adult nerdcore.
I look at stuff like it and while it may turn out to be good, the raw memories of Young Justice make me run to my room screaming "You're not my real Dad!!!"

I think that show is the best property- movie, animated movie, show, comic book, what have you. That DC has ever produced.
Including the Nolan films.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 27, 2016, 02:09:16 PM
I've never watched Young Justice...  :-[

I've always heard good things, but it apparently needs to move way up my "to watch" list...
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Post by: Harry Black on July 27, 2016, 02:17:57 PM
I've never watched Young Justice...  :-[

I've always heard good things, but it apparently needs to move way up my "to watch" list...
I mean.....you arent likely to like it as much as me. It kind of hits lots of sweet spots for me. But I dont think you will regret checking it out!
The characters all feel quite well written and actually develop as individuals as well as in relation to each other.

It introduces loads of really cool minor characters that I never really knew about.

It takes a really cool approach to why the team exists amd how it works.

It deals with stuff like body issues, drug abuse etc in interesting, non preachy ways.

The action and animation are absolutely top notch. Flashpoint standard all the way.

Robin (both of them) is super badass. Theres a fight scene which is Robin and Superboy vs mind controlled Batman and Superman!

Oh and Superboy is REALLY compelling as a half human clone of Superman who knows he will never develop the originals full powers.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on July 27, 2016, 04:21:16 PM
I've never watched Young Justice...  :-[

I've always heard good things, but it apparently needs to move way up my "to watch" list...
I mean.....you arent likely to like it as much as me. It kind of hits lots of sweet spots for me. But I dont think you will regret checking it out!
The characters all feel quite well written and actually develop as individuals as well as in relation to each other.

It introduces loads of really cool minor characters that I never really knew about.

It takes a really cool approach to why the team exists amd how it works.

It deals with stuff like body issues, drug abuse etc in interesting, non preachy ways.

The action and animation are absolutely top notch. Flashpoint standard all the way.

Robin (both of them) is super badass. Theres a fight scene which is Robin and Superboy vs mind controlled Batman and Superman!

Oh and Superboy is REALLY compelling as a half human clone of Superman who knows he will never develop the originals full powers.

Very much my favorite as well, for exactly those reasons.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on July 27, 2016, 04:22:14 PM
Sounds great, I'm in!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 28, 2016, 07:46:50 PM
The marketing campaign for Suicide Squad has been getting on my nerves.
I dont care how mental Jared Leto acted.

I dont give a fuck what Killer Croc dis to get in character.

I dont care what Ayer made them all do to get into their roles.
Ive decided Im waiting for above average reviews before they get my money.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on July 29, 2016, 03:56:41 AM
Young Justice League is one of my favorites. It's such a shame they ended it with only two seasons. :(
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 29, 2016, 06:00:00 AM
Young Justice League is one of my favorites. It's such a shame they ended it with only two seasons. :(
The comic its based on sucks! DC had a run of animation where they were actually improving on the source material and it was really exciting!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on July 29, 2016, 06:04:42 AM
Been watching Batman Beyond again. . . .Still a great series.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 29, 2016, 06:17:51 AM
Been watching Batman Beyond again. . . .Still a great series.
I STILL havent watched more than 2 episodes of that! I have the whole thing too!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on July 29, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
Been watching Batman Beyond again. . . .Still a great series.
I STILL havent watched more than 2 episodes of that! I have the whole thing too!

Do you not like them or just get distracted?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on July 30, 2016, 04:17:41 AM
Been watching Batman Beyond again. . . .Still a great series.
I STILL havent watched more than 2 episodes of that! I have the whole thing too!

Do you not like them or just get distracted?
I just never feel in the right mood to watch them I guess.
I know Bruce is a major character, but I never had any interest in seeing someone else in the suit.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 02, 2016, 02:57:33 PM
Sooooo.
Suicide Squad reviews are a bit tepid.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/movie-review-suicide-squad-is-as-messy-and-weird-as-th-1784666704

That seems pretty representative of what Ive been reading but Lussier is usually positive to a fault.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on August 02, 2016, 04:28:07 PM
The headline makes me want to see it more:

Quote
Movie Review: Suicide Squad Is Chaotic, Manic, and a Total Mess
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on August 02, 2016, 04:29:34 PM
That second Suicide Squad trailer was probably the best trailer I've ever seen (the Bohemian Rhapsody one)

I've been looking more forward to this movie than any all year.

(Sigh)
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 02, 2016, 05:03:58 PM
That second Suicide Squad trailer was probably the best trailer I've ever seen (the Bohemian Rhapsody one)

I've been looking more forward to this movie than any all year.

(Sigh)
So go see it!
Im just a bit bummed because I set myself the rule that I will only go if the reviews are good.
I might break the rule, but I think Id prefer to see star trek
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on August 02, 2016, 05:46:58 PM
Come on, DC! Just do something right on the big screen. Superhero fatigue is setting in (not for me quite yet) and DC will probably make a good movie when nobody cares anymore.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 02, 2016, 05:55:24 PM
Come on, DC! Just do something right on the big screen. Superhero fatigue is setting in (not for me quite yet) and DC will probably make a good movie when nobody cares anymore.
Got to say though, this had all the potential. They got a great director, great cast. Sometimes things just dont pay off.
I dont think its the same problem as they have had with Snyder. But I havent seen this yet.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on August 02, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
Did they try to "fix" it in post because of the flustercluck that was DvS? Based on what I have read the hot mess seems like something that would result from conflicting editorial vision during filming and editing.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 02, 2016, 11:13:24 PM
Im just a bit bummed because I set myself the rule that I will only go if the reviews are good.
I might break the rule, but I think Id prefer to see star trek

I just saw Star Trek and loved it!  Yes, it had some plot holes and head-scratchers, but it was fun (first and foremost) and the character work is at it's best yet of the 3 Nu Trek movies.  They also did a good job of nodding at Treks past for the 50th anniversary.  If it got bad reviews, then I'm at a loss.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 03, 2016, 05:16:20 AM
Im just a bit bummed because I set myself the rule that I will only go if the reviews are good.
I might break the rule, but I think Id prefer to see star trek

I just saw Star Trek and loved it!  Yes, it had some plot holes and head-scratchers, but it was fun (first and foremost) and the character work is at it's best yet of the 3 Nu Trek movies.  They also did a good job of nodding at Treks past for the 50th anniversary.  If it got bad reviews, then I'm at a loss.
Trek got awesome reviews though!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on August 04, 2016, 10:58:48 AM
That second Suicide Squad trailer was probably the best trailer I've ever seen (the Bohemian Rhapsody one)

I've been looking more forward to this movie than any all year.

(Sigh)

I would say a trailer consisting of Margot Robbie doing bondage-based aerial yoga in her panties followed by a minute and a half of explosions set to "Bohemian Rhapsody" firmly sets expectations as far as what the movie is going to be.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 04, 2016, 11:05:25 AM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/report-warner-bros-turned-suicide-squad-into-a-mess-i-1784760580
This is an incredibly interesting take on what may have happened.
Basically, they may have let the folks who made the trailer do a cut of the movie and mashed the two versions together.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on August 04, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
They're so worried about copying Marvel. Who gives a fuck? Just make an enjoyable film, with an end credit scene too if you want. Not saying they need to copy Marvel to be successful by any means, but I feel like they're creating unnecessary limitations for themselves.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on August 04, 2016, 05:36:17 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/report-warner-bros-turned-suicide-squad-into-a-mess-i-1784760580
This is an incredibly interesting take on what may have happened.
Basically, they may have let the folks who made the trailer do a cut of the movie and mashed the two versions together.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--FZaLDkMR--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/bpuopblog7to2vnjittm.jpg)

Somewhat to my surprise, the comments on that article are quite good - at least the few I've read.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 04, 2016, 05:50:38 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/report-warner-bros-turned-suicide-squad-into-a-mess-i-1784760580
This is an incredibly interesting take on what may have happened.
Basically, they may have let the folks who made the trailer do a cut of the movie and mashed the two versions together.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--FZaLDkMR--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/bpuopblog7to2vnjittm.jpg)

Somewhat to my surprise, the comments on that article are quite good - at least the few I've read.
I find io9 comments generally better than most places.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on August 05, 2016, 11:02:57 PM
On Suicide Squad, I would ask if you have seen the animated one and compare it to the live action?   
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Dan I on August 08, 2016, 10:43:32 AM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/report-warner-bros-turned-suicide-squad-into-a-mess-i-1784760580
This is an incredibly interesting take on what may have happened.
Basically, they may have let the folks who made the trailer do a cut of the movie and mashed the two versions together.

The cynic in me says this was done solely so that they can have:

"The Limited Ultimate Edition Collector's Box Blu-Ray with THREE VERSIONS of the Film"
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on August 08, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
They did that with Blade Runner. . . .There are suppose to be seven different versions
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Post by: Desert Fox on August 12, 2016, 07:42:02 PM
10 Reasons Batman: Assault On Arkham Destroys Suicide Squad
http://whatculture.com/film/10-reasons-batman-assault-on-arkham-destroys-suicide-squad
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on August 12, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
I'll probably end up liking it. Although, I can't see myself liking Leto's Joker. We'll see.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on August 12, 2016, 10:41:36 PM
I'll probably end up liking it. Although, I can't see myself liking Leto's Joker. We'll see.
Just accept that he's a gangster right now and it'll be fine
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 13, 2016, 05:52:55 AM
I'll probably end up liking it. Although, I can't see myself liking Leto's Joker. We'll see.
Just accept that he's a gangster right now and it'll be fine
Apparently he has a grill because Batman broke his teeth after he killed Robin. And he tatooed "damaged" on his forehead because Batman broke his teeth.
Great job everyone! More coke?
Edit- Ayer said that in an interview. But nope!!! The movie directly contradicts him.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on August 13, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
I don't have a major problem with his image so much. . . .There have been a number of different versions of Joker.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 13, 2016, 05:39:16 PM
I don't have a major problem with his image so much. . . .There have been a number of different versions of Joker.
Im fine with multiple versions of Joker (there was one with dreadlocks and barefeet in the Batman vs Dracula animated movie. Great movie btw).
This version is just kind of eye rolley though. More to do with how he is written, the dialogue is painful, but the tats do make him look like he is trying too hard.
Also. He escapes Arkham in a hail of murder and kidnapping, but somehow operates his own club in Gotham?
Worlds greatest detective my ass.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on August 13, 2016, 05:44:08 PM
I guess I assumed it was that he took over the club for a day
It feels very much like he was inserted unnecessarily into the move though.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 13, 2016, 05:48:17 PM
I guess I assumed it was that he took over the club for a day
It feels very much like he was inserted unnecessarily into the move though.
That makes more sense! One less flaw.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on August 13, 2016, 05:59:49 PM
My one issue is that with Joker, he has simply been so much trouble that just kill him. In fact make sure that his head is removed from his body.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 13, 2016, 06:19:15 PM
My one issue is that with Joker, he has simply been so much trouble that just kill him. In fact make sure that his head is removed from his body.
Yep. With this Batman, it makes zero sense that Joker is still alive.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Gerbig on August 13, 2016, 06:37:35 PM
I wonder if they are setting up the three joker comic book storyline  in the DCU, this is the cringy gangster joker
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: PANTS! on August 13, 2016, 06:54:09 PM
If you are reading the REBIRTH series
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Post by: Harry Black on August 13, 2016, 09:56:51 PM
If you are reading the REBIRTH series
(click to show/hide)
Again- How the FUCK did Batman not notice this?
Worst detective EVER!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 13, 2016, 10:20:50 PM
I guess with the Joker, I am just trying to put Heath Ledger's or Jack Nicholson's Joker in place of Leto's, but still serving the same function and I don't see liking them any better.  To me, it was mostly the writing that turned me off about Joker in SS as he didn't get a chance to really shine.  IMO, it was a terrible way to introduce such an iconic character.  It might have been forgivable if he'd been in other movies first, but trying to show us a whole new take by making him am afterthought was a terrible decision. 

Re: Leto's performance though, he definitely seems to be playing a more serious Joker who chose his persona, rather than just snapping.  I tend not to like the Goth-ghetto image much and while the tats and teeth were explained find them off-putting at first brush.  When he breaks into creepy laughter, it just feels weird and forced to me and so far I didn't like it, especially the bizarre scene where he's sitting in a spiral of weapons.  At the end of the day though, I am keeping an open mind.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on August 14, 2016, 08:28:09 AM
What hit me with Leto's performance vs the writing was the bit on the tailgate of the helo.
He seemed to be channeling some sort of cheesey black and white star. It really didnt work for me.
Maybe Leto decided that the only way to deliver such hammy dialogue was to channel a ham? I mean the writing managed to make Will Smith seem dorky and thats an achievent.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on August 14, 2016, 02:39:32 PM
One of the things I have to wonder with Suicide Squad if if it was a smash together of two different movies.
The idea of the threat was one originally meant for a higher level / more powerful super heroes.
They then knew they wanted to do something with Suicide Squad so replaced the original heroes.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 14, 2016, 04:45:58 PM
One of the things I have to wonder with Suicide Squad if if it was a smash together of two different movies.
The idea of the threat was one originally meant for a higher level / more powerful super heroes.
They then knew they wanted to do something with Suicide Squad so replaced the original heroes.

Everything I've heard said that the movie was near finished filming before the studio freaked.  The two versions being mashed up were supposedly the director's original cut and a cut made by the trailer house that made the trailers for the movie. They also filmed some pickups for the new edit as well.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on August 14, 2016, 05:01:00 PM
One of the things I have to wonder with Suicide Squad if if it was a smash together of two different movies.
The idea of the threat was one originally meant for a higher level / more powerful super heroes.
They then knew they wanted to do something with Suicide Squad so replaced the original heroes.

Everything I've heard said that the movie was near finished filming before the studio freaked.  The two versions being mashed up were supposedly the director's original cut and a cut made by the trailer house that made the trailers for the movie. They also filmed some pickups for the new edit as well.

How ere the concepts suppose to be different?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 14, 2016, 11:34:19 PM
One of the things I have to wonder with Suicide Squad if if it was a smash together of two different movies.
The idea of the threat was one originally meant for a higher level / more powerful super heroes.
They then knew they wanted to do something with Suicide Squad so replaced the original heroes.

Everything I've heard said that the movie was near finished filming before the studio freaked.  The two versions being mashed up were supposedly the director's original cut and a cut made by the trailer house that made the trailers for the movie. They also filmed some pickups for the new edit as well.

How ere the concepts suppose to be different?

Solely in the editing and some extra shots they added for inserting humor supposedly.  I think most people are guessing that the trailer house edited the film to be more like the trailers that were so popular (i.e. pop songs playing over scenes with lots of quick shots and one-liners) and the original edit was more dark and mature.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on August 15, 2016, 02:54:51 AM
What I am more thinking was more when the script and/or concept was being written . . . .Originally maybe something less epic was planned and the studio wanted something more epic. Another idea is that there was a concept for a super hero movie and the studio said that they wanted it to be a Suicide Squad movie. 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 15, 2016, 08:19:41 AM
What I am more thinking was more when the script and/or concept was being written . . . .Originally maybe something less epic was planned and the studio wanted something more epic. Another idea is that there was a concept for a super hero movie and the studio said that they wanted it to be a Suicide Squad movie.

Yeah, I hadn't heard anything to that effect.  The villain didn't really seem suited to the team at hand in any particular way.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on August 31, 2016, 09:52:11 PM
Can we just fast forward to
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o720/lubarrin1/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-08-31-20-48-18_zpscvi3rnbr.png)


With a quick stop over for
(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o720/lubarrin1/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-08-31-20-50-17_zpsppbk5bdf.png)
of course.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on August 31, 2016, 11:01:59 PM
I am also pretty pumped about both of those films.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on August 31, 2016, 11:10:51 PM
I'm maybe looking more forward to WW.
Most people seemed to hate it, but the aesthetics of MoS were pretty god damn Man of Steel to me. The pacing and some of the story telling elements may have fell flat, but the scoring and sound, with the visuals- really got me pumped.

WW in BvS was howling with Amazonian badassery. If they can hammer the aesthetic with this one, and couple it with a solid flick, it might be among the best superhero movies so far.
I mean.. the music. The GOD DAMN music! (Same as in BvS, comes in at the end of the trailer)
https://youtu.be/5lGoQhFb4NM
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on September 01, 2016, 05:27:40 AM
On the live action Wonder Woman, I wonder if we will not be disappointed in the end  :-\

The animated one was awesome however
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on September 01, 2016, 09:48:12 PM
On the live action Wonder Woman, I wonder if we will not be disappointed in the end  :-\

Yeah, I'm way too cynical about good trailers after everything DC has done.  I'm still feeling burned about Suicide Squad.  I mean, it was more passable than BvS or MoS, but it did NOT live up to the hype.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on September 01, 2016, 09:55:09 PM
Yeah. They're the kings of great trailers.
The Bohemian Rhapsody Suicide Squad may have been the best I've ever seen
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Dan I on September 02, 2016, 07:34:04 AM
Yeah. They're the kings of great trailers.

To the point where they realized "Hey Suicide Squad the MOVIE doesn't actually go with the trailer we released. Quick have the trailer guys completely re-edit the movie itself! It'll be great!"
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on September 02, 2016, 08:32:26 AM
On the live action Wonder Woman, I wonder if we will not be disappointed in the end  :-\

Yeah, I'm way too cynical about good trailers after everything DC has done.  I'm still feeling burned about Suicide Squad.  I mean, it was more passable than BvS or MoS, but it did NOT live up to the hype.
I like it more than BvS and MoS but I think its a less competant film.
Yeah. They're the kings of great trailers.
The Bohemian Rhapsody Suicide Squad may have been the best I've ever seen
I was really excited about the first trailer. The more the marketing amped up on that movie, the more worried I became.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on September 04, 2016, 08:30:37 PM
I ordered the extended version Batman vs Superman from eBay and the seller sent me the standard version the first time.
Got it exchanged and received the extended version finally and watched it. It does add a lot to the movie although there are a few minor items I think could be cut out.

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Edit: Just a random thought.
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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on September 06, 2016, 02:18:31 PM
I ordered the extended version Batman vs Superman from eBay and the seller sent me the standard version the first time.
Got it exchanged and received the extended version finally and watched it. It does add a lot to the movie although there are a few minor items I think could be cut out.

(click to show/hide)

Edit: Just a random thought.
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Does the extended version actually give Lex a motivation that makes sense?

Because all I got was:  "I want to unleash a world destroying monster upon the Earth and I also I assume that I'll survive said world destroying monster because.........evil."
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on September 06, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
I ordered the extended version Batman vs Superman from eBay and the seller sent me the standard version the first time.
Got it exchanged and received the extended version finally and watched it. It does add a lot to the movie although there are a few minor items I think could be cut out.

(click to show/hide)

Edit: Just a random thought.
(click to show/hide)

Does the extended version actually give Lex a motivation that makes sense?

Because all I got was:  "I want to unleash a world destroying monster upon the Earth and I also I assume that I'll survive said world destroying monster because.........evil."
Basically....no.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on September 06, 2016, 03:26:41 PM
I gathered his motives were similar to Batman.  Aside from being crazy, he just didn't seem to like the notion of someone so super as superman. 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on September 06, 2016, 05:53:05 PM
There are plenty of cases in history where somebody's hatred is completely illogical
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on September 06, 2016, 07:23:09 PM
Hatred can be illogical, but his plan probably shouldn't be. Especially given how massively complex it was and how much genius each element would have taken to engineer.
Leading up to- And then I will unleash an unstoppable engine of destruction that will probably kill me too!
Seems...dumb.
Even if he had a throw away line about being willing to risk death to kill Superman, I could have bought it.
Goddamn that film was stupid.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on September 06, 2016, 09:11:33 PM
Hatred can be illogical, but his plan probably shouldn't be. Especially given how massively complex it was and how much genius each element would have taken to engineer.

Sorry to Godwin it but the Final Solution fits pretty nicely in there. . . . Sorry but it was both massively complex and genius.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on September 06, 2016, 09:54:58 PM
Think they made a strong case that he straight-up went supervillain crazy.
He didn't care if he died.
(He also knew by then that Darkseid was coming, so maybe he just wanted to make his mark on the end of the world)

He's a supervillain. It's pretty much either that or try to take over the world.
Lex from the Donner movies wanted to use nukes to create a new continent that he would rule.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2016, 05:31:58 AM
That wasn't sold to the audience though. We just had unstable dipshit being unstable.
If Snyder is going to stray so far from the comics, it seems a bit too generous to assume that all the mistakes are actually clever homages to them or the older movies.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on September 07, 2016, 07:04:25 AM
Dammit. BvS was genius, and if you don't pull your head out of your ass long enough to admit it I will lose ALL respect for you, and probably walk away thinking you're racist.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2016, 07:11:14 AM
Dammit. BvS was genius, and if you don't pull your head out of your ass long enough to admit it I will lose ALL respect for you, and probably walk away thinking you're racist.
I keep having this weird BvS/Suicide Squad debate in my head.
On the one hand SS is (somehow) a smarter movie than BvS, but on the otherhand, at least BvS isnt a jigsaw put together the wrong way....
I think I could rewatch BvS a fourth time because on each viewing I find new and amazing things wrong with it, but SS is just kind of boringly shit.
I also think my brain may be broken....
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: lubbarin on September 07, 2016, 07:22:01 AM
Maybe WW won't suck
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on September 07, 2016, 08:22:05 AM
Think they made a strong case that he straight-up went supervillain crazy.
He didn't care if he died.
(He also knew by then that Darkseid was coming, so maybe he just wanted to make his mark on the end of the world)

He's a supervillain. It's pretty much either that or try to take over the world.
Lex from the Donner movies wanted to use nukes to create a new continent that he would rule.

Actually, Lex wanted to become the rich in the Donner movies.

He was going to cause California to "fall into the sea" by inducing "the big" earthquake with the nuke and get rich being the owner of all the new beachfront real estate on the new West Coast.  (Remember, he was buying up millions of acres of desert in addition to stealing the nuke.)

Was it a good plan?  No. 

Was it a plan?  Yes.

BvS Lex had no plan besides, "lets destroy the world and see what happens".  Sorry, Lex Luthor, you aren't the Joker.  But that's the difference deep down between the DC and Marvel cinema universes. 

Marvel knows why people like superhero movies and write stories to serve those ends.   
DC knows why people like Batman movies and write stories to serve those ends.

What I find funniest is that the thing the internet assumed was going to be the worst part of BvS, Ben Affleck Batman, ended up totally being the best thing about BvS.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on September 07, 2016, 08:36:02 AM
I did not think that Baman v Superman was a wonderful movie, it just was better than many argued it was.
I think Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were worse, for example.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Dan I on September 07, 2016, 08:45:09 AM
Think they made a strong case that he straight-up went supervillain crazy.
He didn't care if he died.
(He also knew by then that Darkseid was coming, so maybe he just wanted to make his mark on the end of the world)

He's a supervillain. It's pretty much either that or try to take over the world.
Lex from the Donner movies wanted to use nukes to create a new continent that he would rule.

Actually, Lex wanted to become the rich in the Donner movies.

He was going to cause California to "fall into the sea" by inducing "the big" earthquake with the nuke and get rich being the owner of all the new beachfront real estate on the new West Coast.  (Remember, he was buying up millions of acres of desert in addition to stealing the nuke.)

Was it a good plan?  No. 

Was it a plan?  Yes.

BvS Lex had no plan besides, "lets destroy the world and see what happens".  Sorry, Lex Luthor, you aren't the Joker.  But that's the difference deep down between the DC and Marvel cinema universes. 

Marvel knows why people like superhero movies and write stories to serve those ends.   
DC knows why people like Batman movies and write stories to serve those ends.

What I find funniest is that the thing the internet assumed was going to be the worst part of BvS, Ben Affleck Batman, ended up totally being the best thing about BvS.

Once again, I have to point to the DCAU. Their interpretation of Luthor is easily the best I've seen.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2016, 09:09:18 AM
I think Batman Forever and Batman and Tobin are better in their context.
They were coming off the Burton movies which made very little sense anyway and Schumacher fully admitted that he was making movies to sell toys and have fun.
Snyder laid out loftier goals and made bolder claims, so I think his project is the bigger failure. The other two movies also happened in a time when there was no real roadmap for a successful superhero film.

I think a key difference between Marvel and DC is that for the most part, DC villains exist only in response to DC heroes.
Lex hates superman for reasons
Metallo is made of kryptonite
Brainiac and Zod come from Krypton and are obsessed with Kal el.
Almost all of Batmans villains are a response to him.
Dr Doom and Juggernaut are the two main villains of this type in the MCU and both suck in movies.

The marvel heroes on the other hand fight villains with actual goals and it makes a more compelling story than:
"Ooh everyone hates me cos Im so awesome. They try and stop me but I beat them, thus proving how much more awesome I am!"
That can really only appeal to the sensibilities of an overdog with an oppression complex like gym bros who think all the haters are jelly.
Superman faces adversity and overcomes it by punching harder than anyone expected.
Batman does it and he succeeds because he payed for more paranoid prepper shit than anyone could have anticipated.

Meanwhile, Captain America is losing his powers and facing the destruction of the universe and Spiderman gets his most character defining moment by being trapped under rubble for a few pages.

I think DC heroes on the whole are philosophically and practically harder to transfer to other mediums for wider audiences than Marvel are.
DC heroes are what we wish we could be so our problems would disappear, Marvel are a reflection of what we feel we are as we struggle with things we feel like we maybe cant handle.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: stonesean on September 07, 2016, 10:08:30 AM
I think Batman Forever and Batman and Tobin are better in their context.
They were coming off the Burton movies which made very little sense anyway and Schumacher fully admitted that he was making movies to sell toys and have fun.
Snyder laid out loftier goals and made bolder claims, so I think his project is the bigger failure. The other two movies also happened in a time when there was no real roadmap for a successful superhero film.

I think a key difference between Marvel and DC is that for the most part, DC villains exist only in response to DC heroes.
Lex hates superman for reasons
Metallo is made of kryptonite
Brainiac and Zod come from Krypton and are obsessed with Kal el.
Almost all of Batmans villains are a response to him.
Dr Doom and Juggernaut are the two main villains of this type in the MCU and both suck in movies.

The marvel heroes on the other hand fight villains with actual goals and it makes a more compelling story than:
"Ooh everyone hates me cos Im so awesome. They try and stop me but I beat them, thus proving how much more awesome I am!"
That can really only appeal to the sensibilities of an overdog with an oppression complex like gym bros who think all the haters are jelly.
Superman faces adversity and overcomes it by punching harder than anyone expected.
Batman does it and he succeeds because he payed for more paranoid prepper shit than anyone could have anticipated.

Meanwhile, Captain America is losing his powers and facing the destruction of the universe and Spiderman gets his most character defining moment by being trapped under rubble for a few pages.

I think DC heroes on the whole are philosophically and practically harder to transfer to other mediums for wider audiences than Marvel are.
DC heroes are what we wish we could be so our problems would disappear, Marvel are a reflection of what we feel we are as we struggle with things we feel like we maybe cant handle.

Well, hell, that's the whole reason Marvel's Bronze Age existed in the first place.  As a response to the perfection of DC's heroes.

Spider Man is DEFINED by his failures.  He was too arrogant to save Uncle Ben, he failed to save Gwen Stacy.

Superman doesn't fail.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on September 07, 2016, 10:27:19 AM
Well, hell, that's the whole reason Marvel's Bronze Age existed in the first place.  As a response to the perfection of DC's heroes.

Spider Man is DEFINED by his failures.  He was too arrogant to save Uncle Ben, he failed to save Gwen Stacy.

Superman doesn't fail.
This is why I've never really liked DC. 
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Post by: PANTS! on September 07, 2016, 10:29:41 AM
Superman maybe, but the other do.  Notably The Flash, Green Arrow, Green Lantern, in the 60s and 70s and in the 80s the Titans, Batman, and Wonder Woman. 
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Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Superman maybe, but the other do.  Notably The Flash, Green Arrow, Green Lantern, in the 60s and 70s and in the 80s the Titans, Batman, and Wonder Woman.
I think that trend was a response to Marvel though and wven then, Batman and Wonder Woman are functionally infallible now except for Batmans shoehorned abusive personality defects.
I think you can still work with that, this is why I mention the villains.
With the problems they face, DC heroes are the equivelant of the guy who cant get laid because his dick is too big.
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Post by: PANTS! on September 07, 2016, 11:54:21 AM
Superman maybe, but the other do.  Notably The Flash, Green Arrow, Green Lantern, in the 60s and 70s and in the 80s the Titans, Batman, and Wonder Woman.
I think that trend was a response to Marvel though and wven then, Batman and Wonder Woman are functionally infallible now except for Batmans shoehorned abusive personality defects.
I think you can still work with that, this is why I mention the villains.
With the problems they face, DC heroes are the equivelant of the guy who cant get laid because his dick is too big.

Some yes, but some no.  The flash's storyline had dick all to do with Marvel.  It was Infantino being awesome.  Batman's Knightfall was not a reaction to Marvel, but a reaction to the obnoxious dick-swingy super powerful vegngeful broody Batman of the Dark Knight.  (Partly why he titled it that).  It was O'Neil telling Miller that under that liberal veneer, he was pretty much a violent bigot, and he didn't want Batman to become his spokeshero.  The iconic GA/GL teamup series from the 70s were set up so that there was no way they could win.  It was an examination of the social issues at the time from the PoV of two liberal characters, one radical one establishment*.  While they had victories on the way, they by no means won.  It actually is super interesting to see someone arguably more powerful, and certainly with more resources, than Superman fail so often at making real change.  And it also had nothing to do with Marvel.

Anyway, I do go on.....

*By the way, I love that series, and I often return to it.  For all its flaws, it is such a great read.
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Post by: stonesean on September 07, 2016, 12:22:44 PM
Miller is an interesting case.

I took Dark Knight Returns and Daredevil's "Born Again" stories to be sort of a grim, violent story that was also a sideways critique of what superheroes really are deep down.  Violent fascists.

Then as the years went on, and I read more and more of Frank Miller's stuff, and the internet allowed us all to find out what Miller thought about any number of subjects, it turns out those stories and most of Millers writing is actually a series of love letters to the concept of violent fascism.



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Post by: Eternally Learning on September 08, 2016, 08:34:32 AM
The only motivation I can think of for Lex to make Doomsday in BvS is that his original plan was intended to get Batman killed and Doomsday was there to mop up Superman.  It's still stupid because he's just trading a super-powered person who so far has only done good things, but arguably shouldn't be trusted for an even more super-powered monster who can only be truste to destroy everything.
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Post by: Desert Fox on September 08, 2016, 03:33:23 PM
Maybe Lex had a krytonite missile ready for Doomsday?
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Post by: Eternally Learning on September 08, 2016, 04:12:57 PM
Maybe Lex had a krytonite missile ready for Doomsday?

Unless he built in a self-destruct button, any solution that would work against Doomsday should work just as well, if not better against Supes.
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Post by: Harry Black on September 08, 2016, 05:39:34 PM
Miller is an interesting case.

I took Dark Knight Returns and Daredevil's "Born Again" stories to be sort of a grim, violent story that was also a sideways critique of what superheroes really are deep down.  Violent fascists.

Then as the years went on, and I read more and more of Frank Miller's stuff, and the internet allowed us all to find out what Miller thought about any number of subjects, it turns out those stories and most of Millers writing is actually a series of love letters to the concept of violent fascism.
You should torrent the original single issues and read the letters page where Miller interacts with fans. How did we not see it at the time?

As for O'Neil, he and Dixon are the definitive Batman writers for me. I love knightfall and recently purchased the extended editions. There was like 2 bad issues in that whole run.
How are we not getting a Tim Drake movie? Or a Tim and Dick team up tv show?!

Anyhoo.

Maybe Lex had a krytonite missile ready for Doomsday?

Unless he built in a self-destruct button, any solution that would work against Doomsday should work just as well, if not better against Supes.
Right?!
Its like when Bruce had those machine guns set up. Know what would have been awesome? Kryptonite bullet...
Guess you only get one shot.....
Ugh. SUCH a dumb movie.
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Post by: stonesean on September 09, 2016, 09:17:08 AM
Miller is an interesting case.

I took Dark Knight Returns and Daredevil's "Born Again" stories to be sort of a grim, violent story that was also a sideways critique of what superheroes really are deep down.  Violent fascists.

Then as the years went on, and I read more and more of Frank Miller's stuff, and the internet allowed us all to find out what Miller thought about any number of subjects, it turns out those stories and most of Millers writing is actually a series of love letters to the concept of violent fascism.
You should torrent the original single issues and read the letters page where Miller interacts with fans. How did we not see it at the time?

As for O'Neil, he and Dixon are the definitive Batman writers for me. I love knightfall and recently purchased the extended editions. There was like 2 bad issues in that whole run.
How are we not getting a Tim Drake movie? Or a Tim and Dick team up tv show?!

Anyhoo.

Maybe Lex had a krytonite missile ready for Doomsday?

Unless he built in a self-destruct button, any solution that would work against Doomsday should work just as well, if not better against Supes.
Right?!
Its like when Bruce had those machine guns set up. Know what would have been awesome? Kryptonite bullet...
Guess you only get one shot.....
Ugh. SUCH a dumb movie.

Yeah, kryptonite tipped bullets, or hell, even a set of kryptonite "brass" knuckles would have made more sense than that dumb spear.  You need specific skills and a specific set of circumstances to wield a spear....Bruce sure is dumb some times.
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Post by: Ah.hell on September 09, 2016, 10:19:19 AM
Yeah, kryptonite tipped bullets, or hell, even a set of kryptonite "brass" knuckles would have made more sense than that dumb spear.  You need specific skills and a specific set of circumstances to wield a spear....Bruce sure is dumb some times.
Seriously, he was wearing gauntlets! How about slip a little kryptonite in those. 
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Post by: Harry Black on September 09, 2016, 10:23:59 AM
Would have even been a cool way to justify the narritive existence of the bat brand bollox.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 11, 2016, 06:29:19 PM
JK Simmons is gona be a great Jim Gordon, but I just saw Tom Selleck in Blue Bloods and cant help but feel a chance was missed!
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Post by: Eternally Learning on October 11, 2016, 08:38:32 PM
JK Simmons is gona be a great Jim Gordon, but I just saw Tom Selleck in Blue Bloods and cant help but feel a chance was missed!

Pro tip: JK Simmons is great in anything.  He's one of the most likeable actors out there.
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Post by: Eternally Learning on December 02, 2016, 03:34:50 AM
Anyone watch that Flash, Supergirl, Arrow, LoT alien invasion cross-over event?  I wasn't terribly impressed and felt that a lot of the writing was very similar to LoT where shit happens and nothing makes any kind of logical sense.  I mean come on... a dozen alien ships the size of cities invade across the globe and their plan is to invent some device you have to stick on each individual alien which, when activated, will cause them all to have a lot of pain?!  I could go on a rant for the entire 3-episode arc, but really that is the perfect example of the type of thing that made me completely uninterested in anything other than morbid curiosity.  Oh, the literal team of time-travellers scolding Barry for creating Flashpoint was absolutely maddening, as was Cisco berating Barry for time travelling the entire episode, then without hesitation going, "Holy shit!  Time travel to the 1950s?!  Count me in! That is so COOL!"
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Post by: ShadowSot on December 02, 2016, 04:21:52 AM
Seriously.
 I like the first real episode in Flash.
 The Arrow episode was meh.
 This last one... eh.
 
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Post by: Eternally Learning on December 02, 2016, 06:03:54 AM
Oh, I almost forgot quite possibly the dumbest thing I've seen on television for a while:

Arrow:  Supergirl, I know you're basically a god that could probably take on this whole alien threat without our help, but I'm gonna need you to sit this one out. 

Supergirl:  But why?  What did I do to put you off so much??

Arrow:  Well, see; the thing is that my life is just really complicated and I need to feel normal while I'm repelling a full scale alien invasion with my friends: the man who can run so fast he can break through time and space, the man who made a suit that allows him to shrink to the size of an insect or grow to the size of a skyscraper, the man who's a fusion of two men who are powered by nuclear fission, the woman who's an undead assassin, and - well, you get the idea.  You being an alien is just really making me feel weird, so despite the fact you're our most powerful asset and I bring literally nothing to the table in a confrontation like this, I need you to stand down so I can focus.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e8/02/a0/e802a0d5ac1839d9f84c5fc82e9fd00c.jpg)

Arrow:  Supergirl, thanks for saving my life.  I made a dumb decision earlier.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on December 02, 2016, 02:05:54 PM
Yeah. That was stupid. Ollie grabbed the idiot ball and sunk it from half court.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on December 02, 2016, 02:16:34 PM
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Post by: PANTS! on December 02, 2016, 02:52:55 PM
Yeah - there was a whole lotta fridge stupidity in that final ep. 

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And yes, the GA vs SG thing was stupid too.  Besides all the other objections I also hated the fact that it really really lowered the stakes for me.  Like it robbed the show of all of its danger.  Because either one of two things is true - Ollie is more worried about soap opera bullshit metaphobia than what the aliens can do, which means they can not be more than a speedbump to him OR he's so egotistic and stupid that he's willing to let the wold die rather than...... what? work with a meta?  I can't think of anything that would make me like them less. 

Anyway, after a bit, I just went with the MST3K mantra and enjoyed the ride.
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Post by: ShadowSot on December 02, 2016, 05:09:28 PM
I haven't watched it, but some of the decisions seem to be due to time and budget.
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Post by: starnado on December 02, 2016, 05:34:51 PM
What the CW shows lack in logic they make up for in entertainment. I fn love those shows. They make Snide Snyder's libertarian miserifests look atrocious. Even more atrocious, l should say.

Is anyone watching Justice League- Action? I saw one ep, it was like pow wack crash but at least it didn't have sandwiches (I am looking at you, Teen Titans). Shallow but fun. Nowhere near as good as proper JL though.
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Post by: Harry Black on December 04, 2016, 04:07:49 AM
Ollies bullshit was clumsy writing but yeah, budget and time I think.
Loved Rays allusion to his cousin!!
In general this was better than the last 10 or so actual comicbook crossovers and was a fine thing to have on while cooking dinner.

Justice League Action was not. For me at least.
I hate that art style. I hate the hands on hips moral lecturing version of Superman and the pace of the storytelling was aimed more at young kids I think.
Great for my niblings probably, not so much for me.
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Post by: PANTS! on February 10, 2017, 01:41:05 PM
Holeee shit.  We have a new contender for top superhero EU installment.  Wonder of wonders, its from Marvel, and its like prestige TV.

I am talking about Legion of course.

Goddamn is it good.  And even of it is not your cuppa it has made some confounding and chalenging choices and grounded them in a universe that feels visceral.  Gotta respect it.
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Post by: brilligtove on February 10, 2017, 01:51:09 PM
Holeee shit.  We have a new contender for top superhero EU installment.  Wonder of wonders, its from Marvel, and its like prestige TV.

I am talking about Legion of course.

Goddamn is it good.  And even of it is not your cuppa it has made some confounding and chalenging choices and grounded them in a universe that feels visceral.  Gotta respect it.

It is $19 on Google Play, so I'll wait a few weeks to get a feel for the season before I jump in.
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Post by: stonesean on February 10, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
Legion was really good.

Though I must admit my favorite part was seeing Bill Sienkiewicz get a creator credit in the titles. (If your name is in the credits as "created by", you got paid.)

We've come a long way DC Comics absolutely robbing Siegel & Shuster blind and Stan Lee f*cking Jack Kirby out of his legacy.

It's nice to see.

Also:  "Powerless" has potential.  The pilot was spotty, but I really love that they are introducing the world to the idea of Giffen/DeMattis "comedy" DC Universe.  My favorite era of Justice League comics......
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Post by: PANTS! on February 10, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
Legion was really good.

Though I must admit my favorite part was seeing Bill Sienkiewicz get a creator credit in the titles. (If your name is in the credits as "created by", you got paid.)

We've come a long way DC Comics absolutely robbing Siegel & Shuster blind and Stan Lee f*cking Jack Kirby out of his legacy.

It's nice to see.

Also:  "Powerless" has potential.  The pilot was spotty, but I really love that they are introducing the world to the idea of Giffen/DeMattis "comedy" DC Universe.  My favorite era of Justice League comics......

Yeah,  my eldest really liked it.  And I was a huge fan of JLE back in the day, but I was decidedly OK with Powerless. 
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Post by: Desert Fox on February 20, 2017, 10:08:29 PM
Has anybody seen Justice League: Dark yet?
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Post by: brilligtove on February 20, 2017, 11:18:30 PM
Anybody have a preferred approach to accessing programs that you can't pay for in your region because reasons?
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Post by: Eternally Learning on February 20, 2017, 11:46:38 PM
Has anybody seen Justice League: Dark yet?

Yeah, it was OK.  Not familiar at all with the characters except Constantine a little.  It was pretty much an enjoyable film.
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Post by: Drunken Idaho on February 21, 2017, 12:05:52 AM
Anybody have a preferred approach to accessing programs that you can't pay for in your region because reasons?

If I wanted to do that, I'd probably pay a nominal fee for a decent VPN and then download such programs via bittorrent.
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Post by: Gerbig on February 21, 2017, 09:02:56 PM
I second Legion, what a wonderful show, made me stretch the concept of what a psychic could be.
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Post by: brilligtove on February 21, 2017, 10:10:05 PM
Anybody have a preferred approach to accessing programs that you can't pay for in your region because reasons?

If I wanted to do that, I'd probably pay a nominal fee for a decent VPN and then download such programs via bittorrent.

Sure, but from where? I mean, if there was a non-cable service I could pay to stream the shows I would. I do that for Agents of SHIELD, Sherlock, and several other series.

ETA: ...I might still just buy the season though. It looks like it's up my alley. I guess I just want a taster first.
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Post by: ShadowSot on February 22, 2017, 03:03:39 AM
Legion honestly surprised me with how good it is.
 It's part of what I've been wanting, something that is a comic based film, but actually mature with little of the nods and winks at how silly it is from the Marvel Movies, or the grimdark we're so serious and totally mature stuff from the DC films.
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Post by: drwfishesman on May 11, 2017, 10:30:08 AM
Legion is a miracle of television and should be adored forever.

Iron Fist is horrible beyond words.

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Post by: Ah.hell on May 11, 2017, 10:41:39 AM
I don't really understand the hate for for Ironfist, its really just meh.   Its as good or better that most of the DCTVU I've seen.  It really the strong feelings about Ironfist I don't understand. 

Is it mostly because its such a let down from the other netflix MCU stuff?
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Post by: Eternally Learning on May 11, 2017, 01:51:02 PM
It's definitely a let down from the other Netflix Marvel shows, but I think it's just poorly executed in general as well.  I think the main reason it suffers, is because they wrote Danny horribly. He has no main motivation in the show and as such no character arc. Most of his decisions either feel completely arbitrary or like they are solely because he's been manipulated like a child by the latest person he talks to. I mean, besides learning the truth about his family, how does he grow or change from the first episode to the last? I can't tell you.

It also doesn't help that the main character's fight scenes were the worst of the show in both choreography and execution. I think they were going for a wu shu style, but it just did not translate. That all said, I don't think they've done irreparable harm to the character, and it quite conceivable that the show will right itself next season.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 11, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
What I find bizarre about the show is that one simple thing could have fixed the fight scenes-
A mask.
In the comics he wears a mask and they removed it from the show, but if they could have hidden Danny's face then a stunt person could have done the fights for him.

It wouldnt have helped the dialogue, plot or acting though.

I tried 3 episodes of Legion. I can acknowledge its high quality, but I didnt enjoy it at all.
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Post by: PANTS! on May 11, 2017, 02:43:50 PM
I don't really understand the hate for for Ironfist, its really just meh.  Its as good or better that most of the DCTVU I've seen.  It really the strong feelings about Ironfist I don't understand. 

Is it mostly because its such a let down from the other netflix MCU stuff?

For my money, no way is iron fist better than most of the DCTVU.  At least not this season.  Last season you got me......  Ironfist is not terrible but it is coasting on coattails.  It is plodding and really dull.  It just lays there - consistently so.  I find it hard to give it time. 

The DC stuff on the other hand (this season) can be pants on head stupid at times, but it also gets it so damn right.  And when it does DC will get me to whoop or holler, or say Coooool like no other set of shows on TV.  And even when the show does something boneheaded; for the most part it is at least within genre, and acceptable as part of the world they have built (exception: Flash fucks this up a leeeetle too often, IMO).  So while the lows here are lower than what is on ironfist, they are more exciting, and more fitting, and the highs on these shows make ironfist look like he's eating paste.
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Post by: Eternally Learning on May 11, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
Speaking of "pants on head stupid," can anyone explain to me why Caitlin Snow's powers instantly turn her evil? I could understand her worrying about it after Earth 2 Snow was evil (although Earth 2 Cisco was evil too and he wasn't remotely worried), but why is it that whenever she access them, she actually does go bad instantly? Can't recall any other metastatic whose powers instantly changed their personalities.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 11, 2017, 03:48:26 PM
Oh I totally missed that ah.hell compared it to the DCTVU. I was thinking it was better than the DC cinematic universe.

So +1 what Pants! said. Even Gotham has somehow gotten good. Ive skipped all of season 2 and most of season 3, but started back 4 episodes ago because I heard they were starting Bruce becoming Batman and...I fucking love it!!
The DC shows always get a minimum of one thing (action, comedy, story, character or comicbook easter eggs) right at any one time. Ironfist had almost none of those at any time.

As for Killer Frost- In the tv universe it was briefly glossed over at one point that her powers make her evil just cos. I mean...why would it not have a neurological effect I guess? Her powers are different to everyone elses...
Its mainly just so we can have Killer Frost without betraying the character development of a main cast member.
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Post by: Desert Fox on May 11, 2017, 03:53:35 PM
Anybody seen the new animated Teen Titan movie?
On my Netflicks list
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Post by: PANTS! on May 11, 2017, 04:58:35 PM
Anybody seen the new animated Teen Titan movie?
On my Netflicks list

Whats it called?  If its Trouble In Tokyo or whatevs, then yeah.  If not, then I needs to know its name!
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Post by: PANTS! on May 11, 2017, 04:59:54 PM
Oh I totally missed that ah.hell compared it to the DCTVU. I was thinking it was better than the DC cinematic universe.

So +1 what Pants! said. Even Gotham has somehow gotten good. Ive skipped all of season 2 and most of season 3, but started back 4 episodes ago because I heard they were starting Bruce becoming Batman and...I fucking love it!!
The DC shows always get a minimum of one thing (action, comedy, story, character or comicbook easter eggs) right at any one time. Ironfist had almost none of those at any time.

As for Killer Frost- In the tv universe it was briefly glossed over at one point that her powers make her evil just cos. I mean...why would it not have a neurological effect I guess? Her powers are different to everyone elses...
Its mainly just so we can have Killer Frost without betraying the character development of a main cast member.

I would say the heros are the ones who are different.  Most everyone who got powers from the explosion are bad guys.
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Post by: Ah.hell on May 11, 2017, 05:07:50 PM
So +1 what Pants! said. Even Gotham has somehow gotten good.
Funny that, Gotham is the only DC show that I have generally liked from the beginning.   Is it actually set in the DCTVU?
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Post by: Harry Black on May 11, 2017, 05:35:00 PM
So +1 what Pants! said. Even Gotham has somehow gotten good.
Funny that, Gotham is the only DC show that I have generally liked from the beginning.   Is it actually set in the DCTVU?
It isnt actually! I guess it falls between the cracks.
Anybody seen the new animated Teen Titan movie?
On my Netflicks list
The Judas Contract?
Its pretty good.
One of the better ones they have put put of late, but not one I will rewatch probably (I watch the best ones multiple times per year!)
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Post by: Desert Fox on May 12, 2017, 08:02:35 AM
I have been rewatching "Wolverine and the X-Men" and I have to say that I personally really enjoy it.
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Post by: Ah.hell on May 23, 2017, 10:07:18 AM
So, I'm finally getting back to the MCU on netflix, I what the first few episodes of each of them when they first arrived but then just dropped them.

From best to worst

Jessica Jones, David Tennant is great in this, super creepy.
Luke Cage
Daredevil, I'm about 4 episodes in, meh, it might get better.  The fight scenes are good.
Iron fist, I'm about 2 episodes in, meh.   The lead actor is pretty weak and he is the least interesting of the lead characters.

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Post by: Ah.hell on May 23, 2017, 04:32:47 PM
I want add, there's a little bit of product placement in these shows that mostly adds a sense of realism.  A character needs some drugs and is told to go to the CVS around the corner. 
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Post by: Harry Black on June 03, 2017, 02:35:00 PM
I'd like to discuss Wonder Woman and how it will affect the DCEU (if at all).
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Post by: PANTS! on June 03, 2017, 03:31:36 PM
I'd like to discuss Wonder Woman and how it will affect the DCEU (if at all).
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Jenkins is talking about doing a second film set further in the future about how WW got to America, became associated with that culture, and then ended up in France - probably set in history as well.  She will probably get it too given the opening this weekend.  Maybe she will even get to helm the franchise.  So that sounds promising.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 03, 2017, 04:25:41 PM
I'd like to discuss Wonder Woman and how it will affect the DCEU (if at all).
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Jenkins is talking about doing a second film set further in the future about how WW got to America, became associated with that culture, and then ended up in France - probably set in history as well.  She will probably get it too given the opening this weekend.  Maybe she will even get to helm the franchise.  So that sounds promising.
Id love see a DCEU helmed by her! Ive never cared about Steve Trevor but she made him into both a complex character and a straight up hero!
Possibly the most heroic character in the DCEU so far actually, which is fucking nuts!
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Post by: PANTS! on June 03, 2017, 04:56:21 PM
Uhhhh.  Yeah, but....  see my spoiler in the movie review thread.

So that whole thing pissed me off a little.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 03, 2017, 05:09:29 PM
Uhhhh.  Yeah, but....  see my spoiler in the movie review thread.

So that whole thing pissed me off a little.
I get that. But Im referring to his goals throughout the whole film more so than that particular moment (even though I did like that moment, just not what it was used for)
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on November 10, 2017, 07:08:50 PM
Any opinions on Thor: Ragnorak? I loved it. Saw it with my daughter (7) on Tuesday, and will see if with my wife Sat or Sun.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on November 10, 2017, 07:12:32 PM
I am kind of looking forward to Justice League.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 10, 2017, 07:29:17 PM
I am kind of looking forward to Justice League.
Im optimistic.
Like I have been for every other DC movie.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on November 10, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
I am kind of looking forward to Justice League.
Im optimistic.
Like I have been for every other DC movie.

I actually liked Batman vs Superman in its extended format.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on November 10, 2017, 08:00:41 PM
I am kind of looking forward to Justice League.
Im optimistic.
Like I have been for every other DC movie.

I actually liked Batman vs Superman in its extended format.
I did not.
Ive seen that movie in various forms a total of 5 times.
Because I hate myself.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on November 10, 2017, 08:19:34 PM
Same here.  I can't stand that movie.  I know I've posted this before, but it really does sum up what is wrong with this movie. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Cy_Qlh7VM

I suspect the difference between people who liked it and people who don't is how much they enjoyed the grand moments throughout the film.  Personally, I found almost the entire movie to be hollow and tedious with few exceptions; every interesting moment of action and drama just rang false for me and I didn't care in the least about what was happening and to whom.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Drunken Idaho on November 10, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
Any opinions on Thor: Ragnorak? I loved it. Saw it with my daughter (7) on Tuesday, and will see if with my wife Sat or Sun.

I thought it was really funny, and very fun to watch all throughout. One of my favorites in the comic genre so far.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on November 10, 2017, 09:28:38 PM
Any opinions on Thor: Ragnorak? I loved it. Saw it with my daughter (7) on Tuesday, and will see if with my wife Sat or Sun.
Maaaaybe my fav marvel movie?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on November 10, 2017, 09:31:54 PM
I suspect the difference between people who liked it and people who don't is how much they enjoyed the grand moments throughout the film.  Personally, I found almost the entire movie to be hollow and tedious with few exceptions; every interesting moment of action and drama just rang false for me and I didn't care in the least about what was happening and to whom.

Not really the action scenes I don't think but there is something I just enjoy about the movie in its extended format.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Boßel on November 17, 2017, 01:36:53 PM
The reviews are pretty bad for Justice League. Hopefully I'll enjoy it, though.

Apparently, Henry Cavill's face is weird because they had to CGI out his mustache. His look was compared to "Human Shrek".  :laugh:

Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on November 17, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
The reviews are pretty bad for Justice League. Hopefully I'll enjoy it, though.

Apparently, Henry Cavill's face is weird because they had to CGI out his mustache. His look was compared to "Human Shrek".  :laugh:


Seriously?  Why the f not just shave?  If its for another part, a fake mustache is possible. 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on November 17, 2017, 02:05:30 PM
The reviews are pretty bad for Justice League. Hopefully I'll enjoy it, though.

Apparently, Henry Cavill's face is weird because they had to CGI out his mustache. His look was compared to "Human Shrek".  :laugh:


Seriously?  Why the f not just shave?  If its for another part, a fake mustache is possible.
He was filming the new Mission Impossible at the time and they wouldnt let him shave.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Ah.hell on November 17, 2017, 02:18:15 PM
That's ironic, isn't there pretty much always a scene where Tom Cruise takes of his incredibly life like mask?  There is something just wrong about that.  A fake mustache would almost certainly be cheaper and look better than a CGI upper lip.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: ShadowSot on January 02, 2018, 05:27:30 AM
I watched Justice League and didn't hate it. It was alright. That's really the best I can say for it.
 I love the comics, but I just can't really get into the films.
 
 It might be the performances. Batflec if fine, to be honest. So is Wonder Woman. Aquaman is... Whatever. Ok.
 Caville... The only time I really bought his character was
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That said the back story they showed was pretty fantastic in places. I like it more than the film itself.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on April 15, 2018, 01:29:57 PM
One thing I don't understand
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Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on April 15, 2018, 02:43:38 PM
One thing I don't understand
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Thats the only thing you dont understand?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Desert Fox on April 15, 2018, 02:49:39 PM
One thing I don't understand
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Thats the only thing you dont understand?

Most of the others I can ignore. It would not be a super hero movie if it did not have plot holes.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: wastrel on June 23, 2018, 03:04:00 AM
Is Gotham good?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Eternally Learning on June 23, 2018, 05:17:06 AM
Is Gotham good?

I'm not a fan.  Reminds me of Smallville a little where the idea was to explore the world before the popular superhero existed, but all they ended up doing was gradually turning the show into a low rent version of what that superhero is usually doing by bringing in "earlier" versions of the same big-name characters who end up being basically the same too.  I mean, Smallville ended up with Clark Kent, working at the Daily Planet, dating Lois Lane, going around Metropolis in costume saving the day by teaming up with other popular DC heroes to fight popular DC villains.  Oh, but he didn't wear the suit, call himself Superman or fly, so it's totally different.  I didn't watch much past a bit into the second season, but from what little I've seen about it since then, teen Bruce Wayne is dressing up in black and fighting popular DC villains so it seems right on track. 

Beyond that, the acting was pretty terrible, especially the guy who played Gordon.  The stories weren't very interesting and it seemed to being trying to be serious and campy at the same time.  I guess someone out there enjoys it or they wouldn't still be on the air, but I'm not one of em.  Personally, I wish they'd have taken advantage of the era and setting, rather than just make Batman lite.  I'd have loved to have seen the first season or two be about Gordon in a crime-ridden Gotham before Batman, then have Batman show up and start doing his thing, but still have the show be from Gordon's perspective.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on June 23, 2018, 09:00:34 AM
Yeah. I couldnt stick with Gotham.

But I did enjoy the few episodes where Bruce starts really training and learning.

Ive learned that Im more of a Bruce Wayne fanboy than a Batman fanboy.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Captain Video on June 23, 2018, 11:27:21 AM
Brill, Can we add SMU to the entire Metaverse Discussion?

Sony Marvel Universe
#1 Venom
#2 Silver & Black
#3 Morbius
#4 Nightwatch
#5 Silk (reported yesterday)

I love the new MCU Spiderman and it really surprised me that Sony would build an entire film series based around a character that may not appear in any of them. (earlier jokes aside, I truthfully do not know) Its obvious they are going for the darker side of the universe. They will all have R ratings (without stooping to Deadpool dick and fart jokes). These are going to be serious films for adults. They seem to be doing everything right with Gina Prince-Bythewood directing S&B and Spike Lee possibly directing Nightwatch.

There is a ton of fanboy negativity on the web and what seems to be some confusion over what is actually going on.

What are everyone's thoughts on the upcoming SMU?
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on June 23, 2018, 02:37:02 PM
Im good with serious films for adults but I dont think Deadpool stoops to anything, its just the only way to translate that character to screen!
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: brilligtove on June 23, 2018, 03:12:15 PM
Brill, Can we add SMU to the entire Metaverse Discussion?

Sony Marvel Universe
#1 Venom
#2 Silver & Black
#3 Morbius
#4 Nightwatch
#5 Silk (reported yesterday)

I love the new MCU Spiderman and it really surprised me that Sony would build an entire film series based around a character that may not appear in any of them. (earlier jokes aside, I truthfully do not know) Its obvious they are going for the darker side of the universe. They will all have R ratings (without stooping to Deadpool dick and fart jokes). These are going to be serious films for adults. They seem to be doing everything right with Gina Prince-Bythewood directing S&B and Spike Lee possibly directing Nightwatch.

There is a ton of fanboy negativity on the web and what seems to be some confusion over what is actually going on.

What are everyone's thoughts on the upcoming SMU?

Sure, I'll add them. I haven't looked at my list in a while... I'll touch it up at the same time.

Im good with serious films for adults but I dont think Deadpool stoops to anything, its just the only way to translate that character to screen!

I agree with Harry on Deadpool.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on June 23, 2018, 03:22:19 PM
I'm intrigued about Silk. She is an amazing character but her origin relies on a long established Spiderman mythos and Im not sure what she is without that.
Likewise Venom minus Spiderman.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Captain Video on June 23, 2018, 03:30:34 PM
Im good with serious films for adults but I dont think Deadpool stoops to anything, its just the only way to translate that character to screen!

Perhaps the word "stoops" gave you the impression that I was criticizing The Deadpool movies. I was not, In fact I love them and think they are completely appropriate to the character whos entire point seems to be stooping to dick and fart jokes. 
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Captain Video on June 23, 2018, 03:32:28 PM
I'm intrigued about Silk. She is an amazing character but her origin relies on a long established Spiderman mythos and Im not sure what she is without that.
Likewise Venom minus Spiderman.

Yes this is the confusing part for me too.
Title: Re: MCU v DCTVU v DCSU - Metaverse Discussions
Post by: Harry Black on June 23, 2018, 03:39:01 PM
Im good with serious films for adults but I dont think Deadpool stoops to anything, its just the only way to translate that character to screen!

Perhaps the word "stoops" gave you the impression that I was criticizing The Deadpool movies. I was not, In fact I love them and think they are completely appropriate to the character whos entire point seems to be stooping to dick and fart jokes.
I dont sweat things like people who say "The data says" as opposed to " The data say" or how they pronounce Neanderthal or even if they say Pluto is a planet.

Fanboy shit is where my pedantry kicks in :laugh:
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on June 23, 2018, 04:08:12 PM
Update completed.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: PANTS! on June 23, 2018, 04:29:34 PM
Did you add The Gifted, Cloak and Dagger, and Marvel's Runaways?

The gifted definitely seems to exist in the X verse. And they have hinted broadly that Cloak and Dagger and Marvel's runaways both exist in at least the Netflix TV Universe which by extension means that it exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

As a side note God damn there's a lot of comic book TV and movies.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Eternally Learning on June 23, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
I've been enjoying Cloak and Dagger thus far (though the soundtrack is pretty obnoxious), especially because I don't know anything about the characters so it's as much a mystery for me as it is for them. I must have missed the nods to the Netflix MCU though.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Harry Black on June 23, 2018, 05:10:27 PM
Cloak and Dagger is great.
Somehow.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on June 23, 2018, 05:56:07 PM

I didn't add the Gifted. If it a Fox CU show?

Silver and Black may not happen?
https://screenrant.com/silver-sable-black-cat-production-delay/ (https://screenrant.com/silver-sable-black-cat-production-delay/)
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: PANTS! on June 23, 2018, 05:58:08 PM

I didn't add the Gifted. If it a Fox CU show?


I think so.  They reference the movies obliquely.

As for C&D & Runaways, only the writers have said it is a part if the MCU, afaik there are no in show references.  Except for Roxxon in C&D.

https://www.polygon.com/tv/2017/7/28/16055690/marvel-runaways-mcu-crossover

On a related note I am super pissed that no one will pull the trigger on New Warriors.  I mean come on - Squirrel Girl in live action - fuck yeah.  And she is played by Milana Vayntrub
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on June 23, 2018, 06:08:47 PM
Wikipedia says The Gifted is connected to the X-Men film series, set but in an alternate timeline where the X-Men have disappeared.

I haven't tried to update the X-verse at this point since it doesn't really hold together.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Eternally Learning on June 23, 2018, 06:24:20 PM
I wasn't terribly impressed by The Gifted. Wasn't awful, but the central family actors do absolutely nothing for me and the story is full up with character choices that I simply cannot relate to.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Eternally Learning on June 23, 2018, 06:34:15 PM
FYI, for your timeline of the MCU, Captain Marvel takes place in the '90s and the latest scuttlebutt is that Ant-Man and The Wasp takes place at roughly the same time as Infinity War.
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Post by: brilligtove on June 23, 2018, 07:35:17 PM
I haven't tried to manage that timeline. A bunch of movies have sections that flash back quite far.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Harry Black on June 29, 2018, 07:58:40 PM
Halfway into Luke Cage season 2.
Its very hung up on respectability politics.

It doesnt seem to want to touch police brutality with a 10ft pole.

It focuses on musical acts to the point where it feels like an interlude in a variety show.

The Jamaican accents are fucking terrible.

Its offensively condescending to disabled people.

It doesnt mention the marvel universe to the point that its really weird and disorienting.

The action scenes with Luke are boring and inconsistent (his power level/invulnerability fluctuates ridiculously)

The show focuses way too much on people who arent Luke Cage and all of their bullshit that I dont care about.

But hey. Maybe the second half is actually good.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on June 29, 2018, 08:15:53 PM
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Sony has tapped Jared Leto to star in the spinoff “Morbius,” based on the Spidey villain of the same name. Sources also tell Variety that “Safe House” director Daniel Espinosa will helm the movie.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/jared-leto-spider-man-spinoff-morbius-1202799820/
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Post by: Eternally Learning on June 29, 2018, 10:58:41 PM
I was half-anticipating Luke Cage because I really liked half of the first season.  I got intensely bored halfway through the first episode and called it quits.  I may try again later, but I dunno.  It seemed they took all the stuff I didn't like from season 1 and led with that.
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Post by: Harry Black on June 30, 2018, 08:31:50 AM
I was half-anticipating Luke Cage because I really liked half of the first season.  I got intensely bored halfway through the first episode and called it quits.  I may try again later, but I dunno.  It seemed they took all the stuff I didn't like from season 1 and led with that.
I LOVED the first half of the first season.
They made lots of little choices that I felt werent good choices though. For example making Luke a former marine and ex cop instead of a victim of the system like the comic.

Misty Knight is the WORST cop btw. Below are vague spoilers with no plot points given away.
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Post by: Eternally Learning on June 30, 2018, 09:54:05 AM
The first half of season 1 was really great.  I loved that it basically flipped the usual super hero origin narrative where the hero is fighting against the odds and slowly works his way to the big villain (exactly like in Daredevil) by having Luke  start out completely overpowered and absolutely demolishing Cottonmouth.  It really made Cottonmouth do things that main villains never do and made it more complicated to give Luke a challenge.  So sad it switched narratives halfway through though.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Harry Black on June 30, 2018, 10:44:55 AM
Two things that would make both Cage and Jones FAR more interesting to watch-

Have them need to show restraint. None of the thugs they fight can hurt them and yet they bounce them off walls and put them in the hospital. Having them use the same techniques we use to restrain an angry child would be both more visually interesting and novel, but also increase the dramatic impact when they step it up a notch for a more odious or powerful opponent.

Having to protect a third party in a fight. They are invincible but the other characters arent and having to co-ordinate themselves to take down enemies and prevent them getting to an innocent person (more than just standing in front of bullets at the start of a fight.) would be interesting in the way a sports movie is interesting- I know the star player wont die, but will he score that goal or have to deal with failure?

Item #371 that bugs me with season 2. The evangelical shit.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: PANTS! on June 30, 2018, 01:07:10 PM
I kinda liked season 2.  All your crtiques are on point, but they didn't bug me as much.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 03, 2018, 07:24:23 PM
Just finished the last episode.
The ending is certainly very interesting but also very frustrating.
The whole show just seems to be people self righteously doing the exact things they are advised not to do by other people and us at home.
But it never paints these moves as mistakes.

This has really left a sour taste in my mouth. Theres only one hero in this show.
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Post by: PANTS! on July 04, 2018, 03:55:11 PM
Yeah, but I think/hope that they know that, and are setting up season three.  We shall see.  My faith has been spurned more than it is rewarded, but I think they will get it right.
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Post by: Captain Video on July 08, 2018, 04:32:11 PM
I almost put this in religion.jpg then changed my mind.

(http://therealstanlee.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/hulk6.jpg)

It does bring up some interesting points. How do Thor and Loki effect religion on earth?

Hey atheists, gods exist,  Here is proof.

Hey monotheists, more than one god exists and still no mention of yours, Here is proof

Do Asgardian congregations start popping up on earth?

Did Odin and Hela conquer Yahweh and is heaven one of the Nine realms?

I'm sure there will be no canon on this but its interesting to discuss.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 08, 2018, 04:37:32 PM
To be honest though, Thor calling himself a god is a bit ridiculous. He is just an alien with super powers.

Thanos and his glove would be how I imagine a god.
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Post by: Captain Video on July 08, 2018, 04:55:26 PM
To be honest though, Thor calling himself a god is a bit ridiculous. He is just an alien with super powers.

Thanos and his glove would be how I imagine a god.

Thats true but that mite also explain the rest of earths religions in the MCU. (Zeus, Ra, Yahweh, etc) They are aliens and Odin defeated them which is why they no longer communicate with humans. The fact that he calls himself a god mite mean that Asgardians or those they defeated came up with the concept to begin with so they are gods. 

 Many will loose enough faith to reconsider their own religion.

You can be sure someone will start a Thor cult, or for that matter a Thanos cult out of fear.

If Thor showed up in our universe would you be like "Meh, hes just an alien, not a "real" god" LOL
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Post by: Harry Black on July 08, 2018, 05:39:04 PM
Yeah, I absolutely would!
Science created a Hulk! But yeah, I imagine cults would spring up around the norse gods and the avengers themselves.

Its an interesting problem for writers because a world that had Ironman since 2008 would be almost unrecognisable to us! There are comics that deal with how it may all shake out.
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Post by: PANTS! on July 08, 2018, 06:13:49 PM
Even if there are Gods if you don't worship them are you still an atheist? I think so.  I mean in effect athiests are ignoring the Divinity of any being.
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Post by: Desert Fox on July 08, 2018, 06:19:40 PM
While not perfect, Apatheism may be a better term.
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Post by: brilligtove on July 09, 2018, 09:59:55 AM
Even if there are Gods if you don't worship them are you still an atheist? I think so.  I mean in effect athiests are ignoring the Divinity of any being.

I've always thought of theism and atheism in terms fo belief in god(s) not worship of god(s). In that sense proof that god(s) exist eliminates both since belief is no longer part of the relationship a person has with god(s).
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Post by: Ah.hell on July 09, 2018, 10:17:03 AM
Yeah, I absolutely would!
Science created a Hulk! But yeah, I imagine cults would spring up around the norse gods and the avengers themselves.

Its an interesting problem for writers because a world that had Ironman since 2008 would be almost unrecognisable to us! There are comics that deal with how it may all shake out.
There's an appropriately named trope about this.  "Status Quo is God".  No matter how world changing the technology and events are, things someone remain very similar to our world.  The MCU has probably addressed this more than most comic book derived media though. 

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StatusQuoIsGod

Side note, I agree, Thor calling himself a god is a bit silly, he doesn't even asked to be worshiped.  I also agree, in the real  world there would be a few cults to various super powered heroes and villains.
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Post by: Captain Video on July 09, 2018, 11:33:08 AM
If Thor wants to identify as a God that's exactly what I will call him.  He would probably not be offended if we call him an Alien though "Call me what you wish silly human, I am confident in who I am and do not need your approval nor your worship" LOL
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Post by: brilligtove on July 25, 2018, 12:43:09 AM
Unlikely, but...

https://i.imgur.com/vt16Ntn.mp4

(sorry, gotta click through)
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Post by: wastrel on July 25, 2018, 12:46:04 AM
That's awesome
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Post by: Captain Video on July 31, 2018, 07:31:10 PM
https://youtu.be/xLCn88bfW1o
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Post by: Eternally Learning on July 31, 2018, 11:28:47 PM
Bleh.  I'll be really shocked if that turns out to be a good movie.  I still don't get how you can make a Venom movie that is in a universe without Spider-man.  I was trying to explain it to my kid in terms of Pokemon the other day so he'd get my point; I asked him why anyone would want to make an Ash Ketchum movie where he exists in a world where there's no Pokemon.  Sure, it could turn out to be an OK movie, but what's the friggin' point?
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Post by: Captain Video on August 01, 2018, 03:09:58 AM
Bleh.  I'll be really shocked if that turns out to be a good movie.  I still don't get how you can make a Venom movie that is in a universe without Spider-man.  I was trying to explain it to my kid in terms of Pokemon the other day so he'd get my point; I asked him why anyone would want to make an Ash Ketchum movie where he exists in a world where there's no Pokemon.  Sure, it could turn out to be an OK movie, but what's the friggin' point?

I think you should prepare to be shocked, its a good story.  I really do think people will be impressed.  Obviously I'm seeing the CGI for the first time just as you are and I'm very satisfied with it.  Especially in scenes featuring my work and the trailer glimpses several of them.  It makes me happy  ;D

I agree its confusing without Spiderman and they are building an entire universe (6 films) based around Spiderman without Spiderman. All of them have decent directors and talent, Sony is putting a lot of money behind this.  Recently at Comicon this statement was made

http://therealstanlee.com/tom-hardy-and-venom-director-ruben-fleischer-tease-sequels-and-spider-man-battle/ 

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Then, the biggest surprise and tease came after the moderator asked Hardy and Fleischer about a possible Spider-Man face-off in the future. “I have to think that the studio’s thinking the same way and that at some point down the road they’re going to run into each other’s paths,” Fleischer said.
“What, me? Go toe-to-toe with Tom Holland? I’ll have a go, yeah,” Hardy added. “He’s an awesome actor and I’d love to work with him, and I love Spider-Man. Who knows?”

Its my guess that if the films do well we will see some crossover.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 01, 2018, 12:24:38 PM
I prefer Venom minus Spider-Man, but without Spidey as his origin, he isnt the same character in my opinion.

Tom Hardy is cool and the powers look visually interesting, but so far they have made 2 bad trailers.
I tend to be easily pleased though and not everything has to be Infinity War.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 01, 2018, 03:17:41 PM
To be clear, I'm not saying Spiderman had to be in the film, just some reference of him in Venom's origins to make the character who he is.  I also am generally easy to please, but I guess the trailers just haven't done much to grab me.  I'm open to this being a decent movie, but it'll take some pretty glowing reviews to make me shell out to see it in theaters.
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Post by: Ah.hell on August 01, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
One more for the trailer being pretty uninspiring.  I'm a big fan of Venom, the character was created at the height of my comic book consumption which was pretty much only spider-man and a few independent books but when I first saw the trailer I thought it was a fan made thing rather than real.
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Post by: Rai on September 18, 2018, 12:27:06 PM
Another wholly underwhelming trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

Also, why did they make Brie Larson look like Leslie Knope?

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Post by: brilligtove on September 18, 2018, 02:48:20 PM
I certainly enjoyed it.
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Post by: moj on September 18, 2018, 02:57:13 PM
Another wholly underwhelming trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

Also, why did they make Brie Larson look like Leslie Knope?


really? I have to disagree with both points, I think it looks great and don't see the Knope thing? Its more teaser but this far out prefer it like that. Just a taste of whats 6 months away.
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Post by: Captain Video on September 18, 2018, 03:38:13 PM
That looked fantastic

I also know how hard it was to recreate that Blockbuster video store  >:D
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Post by: Harry Black on September 18, 2018, 05:50:14 PM
Looks interesting!
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Post by: drwfishesman on September 30, 2018, 06:49:04 PM
Another wholly underwhelming trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BCujX3pw8

Also, why did they make Brie Larson look like Leslie Knope?

Completely disagree.
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Post by: Captain Video on September 30, 2018, 11:55:46 PM
4 more days to Venom. They let an origin spoiler out I didn't think they would talk about before the film.

It also went PG-13 which I was not expecting

They sure are marketing hard, this stuff is delicious.

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/9500bd0f3b51336a721d48c0b497ac41/tumblr_p6iqazvWsl1rstrbqo1_500.jpg)
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Post by: moj on October 01, 2018, 08:48:32 AM
We finished Iron fist season 2 this weekend. I liked it a lot better than the first season but started really it was just to be ready for Daredevil. Didn't expect to finish this fast. It still had problems and don't really understand how all the things happened in the end. I never read the comics for this one so am not sure how far or true to the original content it is? Still, better than first season and only 10 episodes.
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Post by: brilligtove on October 01, 2018, 12:08:06 PM
We finished Iron fist season 2 this weekend. I liked it a lot better than the first season but started really it was just to be ready for Daredevil. Didn't expect to finish this fast. It still had problems and don't really understand how all the things happened in the end. I never read the comics for this one so am not sure how far or true to the original content it is? Still, better than first season and only 10 episodes.

We've been nibbling away at this and Luke Cage S02 at the same time. I think we've seen the first 3 Iron Fist for S02. I have enjoyed them MUCH more that S01. So much less whining. (I didn't subject my wife to S01 at all because ew!)

My wife gets very easily overwhelmed by drama (as in dramatic events such as the protagonist running up against their own character flaws mid season) so we've had to pause for a bit. I'm hoping we can get to the end of both in the next few weeks and then get into DD.
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Post by: Captain Video on October 05, 2018, 04:21:53 PM
I'm excited after seeing this and I did not expect to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mQDS7Q7pys&feature=share
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Post by: brilligtove on October 05, 2018, 05:17:56 PM
Damn.
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Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on October 05, 2018, 07:27:56 PM
That "trailer" is five bloody minutes long! I have a feeling if I watch that I'll have every major set piece in the film spoiled for me,  the same way the much shorter trailers for Antman and the Wasp spoiled that movie for me. Not that I'm expecting Aquabro to be that great a film, but I want to give it every chance to surprise me otherwise.

I'd rather enjoy the two hour movie I'm paying money for than be blown away by a five minute free short film.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 06, 2018, 07:57:10 AM
At least the trident has 3 prongs.

Looks reasonably fun, but I dont know enough about the character and his power level to know if he is actually in peril in those clips or just having fun.
It looks fine? People keep saying 'different' about these projects as if thats inherently a positive. I would much rather watch a samey but very competent movie than one that is just different and shoddy.
Preferably it would be different and great. But it doesnt look great.
James Wan is at least competent though. If he can save the FF franchise then Im positive about his chances with a DC property.
So I guess Im sticking with James Wan and hoping the movie is better than it looks.
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Post by: Boßel on October 06, 2018, 01:56:05 PM
Is Cavill definitely out as superman?
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Post by: Captain Video on October 06, 2018, 06:39:39 PM
That "trailer" is five bloody minutes long! I have a feeling if I watch that I'll have every major set piece in the film spoiled for me,  the same way the much shorter trailers for Antman and the Wasp spoiled that movie for me. Not that I'm expecting Aquabro to be that great a film, but I want to give it every chance to surprise me otherwise.

I'd rather enjoy the two hour movie I'm paying money for than be blown away by a five minute free short film.

I think the longer trailer was needed. People don't know Aquaman and don't know what to expect. Plus with the previous reactions to DC films I think they needed to establish that this one is going to be different. I had no desire to go see Thor Ragnarok based on the previous films until I saw the long trailer (well that and the Zeppelin) However for Avengers infinity war I purposely avoided the trailers knowing it would be good so I can completely understand your points.

If it helps here is what the director James Wan had to say

http://therealstanlee.com/james-wan-responded-to-spoiler-criticism/

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Trailers contain spoilers by nature. So if you don’t want anything spoilt, don’t see it. But I can say this — this 5-min trailer barely scratches the surface of the actual movie.
8:20 PM - Oct 5, 2018

Also when I linked it I had I first seen it on Facebook posted by the producer who said "just the tip of the iceberg of our film"  I know him from working for him on my last show so I will give him the benefit of the doubt that we actually saw very little in the preview. He is definitely the "hands on" type of producer I admire.

I remember Black Manta from old Superfriends episodes but have not thought of him since. It was pretty bad ass seeing him as live action.  Now I want to look up more about the villain.

 I think this may be the winner that DC needs right now.
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Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on October 06, 2018, 08:11:49 PM
I hope it succeeds, spurring Marvel to get full rights back to Namor, the Sub-Mariner (a MUCH superior character to Aquaman) and make a Subby film that'll, pardon the pun, blow this one out of the water. 
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Post by: Harry Black on October 07, 2018, 12:38:07 PM
Is Cavill definitely out as superman?
Not as far as Im aware...
There was some speculation but it has not been confirmed.

I really like Cavill so I would like him to be in a good DC movie.
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Post by: brilligtove on October 07, 2018, 01:10:33 PM
I didn't realize it was a 5 minute trailer but I enjoyed it quite a bit. At this point I think they made the right call. I don't feel like anything has been spoiled.
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Post by: Captain Video on October 07, 2018, 07:49:26 PM
I hope it succeeds, spurring Marvel to get full rights back to Namor, the Sub-Mariner (a MUCH superior character to Aquaman) and make a Subby film that'll, pardon the pun, blow this one out of the water.

I hope you are right. A good friend who passed away would talk endlessly about the Sub-Mariner, I have never read any of the stories. I have seen the 1960s cartoons.

I humbly admit the majority of my Superhero knowledge comes from Saturday Morning cartoons. I want to see "The Legion of Doom" and would prefer a more campy "Superfriends" rather than a Justice League.

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Post by: Harry Black on October 08, 2018, 04:52:34 AM
I suspect the existence of aquaman may make them LESS likely to want to do a movie with such a similar premise?
They have so many properties to choose from.
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Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on October 11, 2018, 03:56:09 PM
I suspect the existence of aquaman may make them LESS likely to want to do a movie with such a similar premise?
They have so many properties to choose from.

"In Hollywood, no one wants to be first, but everyone wants to be second"

JAWS begat GRIZZLY, ORCA, WHITE BUFFALO, and a dozen other animal-on-the-attack movies I'm forgetting in the seventies.

STAR WARS begat a dozen space operas, including the revived STAR TREK film series.

(tho' I remain surprised and disappointed that the success of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK didn't lead to a new, decent DOC SAVAGE film/series!)
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Post by: Harry Black on October 11, 2018, 04:11:25 PM
I suspect the existence of aquaman may make them LESS likely to want to do a movie with such a similar premise?
They have so many properties to choose from.

"In Hollywood, no one wants to be first, but everyone wants to be second"

JAWS begat GRIZZLY, ORCA, WHITE BUFFALO, and a dozen other animal-on-the-attack movies I'm forgetting in the seventies.

STAR WARS begat a dozen space operas, including the revived STAR TREK film series.

(tho' I remain surprised and disappointed that the success of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK didn't lead to a new, decent DOC SAVAGE film/series!)
You are talking about important films sparking genres.

That has already been done with DC copying the shared universe idea for their movies.

But Aquaman/Namor would be more like Jaws/The Meg if they came out within a couple of years of each other.

Maybe Marvel will do it, but I think it would be incredibly stupid to do so and they seem so good at reading a room...
Maybe DC would have copied Namor. But I cant see it going the other way.
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Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on October 11, 2018, 04:28:38 PM
It will be interesting to see which makes it to cinemas first, Marvel's ETERNALS or DC's NEW GODS. Both have progressed far enough along to have directors attached.  Most civilians will probably find Darkseid a copy of Thanos (instead of being the other way around as it is in comics history)

And I can't wait to see the confusion among civilians with two Captain Marvel's  appearing in movies within a month of one another next year......
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Post by: Harry Black on October 11, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
Thats the exact reason DC has renamed Captain Marvel 'Shazam'.
But yeah, how have they not made the New Gods a thing?? Its a space opera waiting to be mined!!
A Mr Miracle movie would be Shawshank meets Star Wars!
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Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on October 12, 2018, 03:28:45 PM
One problem with NEW GODS is that a lot of the characters have really silly names, such as Granny Goodness, Virman Vundabar, Glorius Godfrey and even Big Barda might be a little much for civilian audiences. But full disclosure, I've always been a Marvel guy even tho I've read my fair share of DC and love Jack Kirby.  I'm a comics heretic who prefers ETERNALS to NEW GODS. But even then, I'm not  blind to how much Kirby ripped off Arthur C. Clarke's classic novel Childhood's End for a hell of a lot of ETERNALS premise.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 12, 2018, 03:41:53 PM
I really think the names could work if the story was good enough!
Hell, even a guy in green speedos with wings on his ankles could work if the story was good enough :D

Never read the Eternals though, might give it a look.
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Post by: PANTS! on October 14, 2018, 12:15:14 AM
Jesus Titans is very underwhelming.  I have bee a fan since the early 80s and this is the worst iteration I have seen.  It's not terrible, but it is off.  Like it was written by a twelve year old boy who does not understand how TV as a medium works and likes cartoonish violence.  I can't beleive I subscribed for this lukewarm overcooked cheese.  To top it all off, they only make an app for phones, tablets and Roku, so I get to watch on a shit screen too.

Oh well.  At least I can do a re-read of the Wolfman Perez run on the app.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 14, 2018, 10:05:28 AM
https://youtu.be/UdBcnRFN4Vg

This is the show they need to run with.
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Post by: PANTS! on October 14, 2018, 10:11:11 AM
Yes.  YJ fared much better.  However the original Titans cartoon is also very good.
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Post by: brilligtove on October 14, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
Is the Starfire costume as terrible as the early pics showed? It looked like really bad amateur cosplay in the shots I saw.
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Post by: Harry Black on October 14, 2018, 11:59:43 AM
Yes.  YJ fared much better.  However the original Titans cartoon is also very good.
I think the original titans is good for a kids show but YJ is just flat out good!
Love both though. Robin is so fucking badass and never even has to kill anyone!
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Post by: PANTS! on October 14, 2018, 04:06:04 PM
Is the Starfire costume as terrible as the early pics showed? It looked like really bad amateur cosplay in the shots I saw.

Yes.  She needs to put that coat in mothball storage for the winter.
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Post by: Boßel on October 14, 2018, 06:49:48 PM
Do you get access to all of the DC animated films when you subscribe to the DC thing?

I really hope YJ 3 will be on Netflix
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Post by: Eternally Learning on October 14, 2018, 11:01:41 PM
Has anyone seen Venom?  I've heard mixed reactions ranging from terrible to pretty good.  Kinda wondering whether it might actually be worth my time.
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Post by: moj on October 22, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
I read that both Luke Cage and Iron fist are not being renewed for any more seasons on netflix. In the works still are anther punisher season and anther Jessica Jones but that may be it for Marvel and neflix. DD just came out with season 3.  Disney is starting to focus more on its own streaming service so imagine it will be doing it's own version. I don't like the idea of having to pay for anther streaming service to watch star wars and Marvel content but it looks like that is where we are going. It dosn't seem like Disney is going to let its content be streamed on other services, I think that is a huge mistake and not sure yet if I'll sign up.
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Post by: PANTS! on November 02, 2018, 11:20:52 PM
Well, Titams has barely improved.  It is sill making the cut, but is so far over par they need about 4 holes in one to make it a good show.  Again, its not bad, and I love the Titans, so Im a sucker for them, but this is the era of prestige TV DC.  This slapdash stuff is C material.

That said, they featured the Doom Patrol this episode.  They are probably my second fave group after the Titans, and they are getting their own show.  All indications are that this show will really be good.  In the short space of the ep, the actors won me over, and the writing was so much better for those characters. 

April Bowlby as Eita Farr does an awesome job.  She embodies this tragic vanity, like a mutated Norman Desmond.
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Post by: brilligtove on November 03, 2018, 09:26:52 AM
My suspicion is that Marvel properties will end up on Disney's service along with all their other IP. I don't like the idea because I expect them to have shitty region-locked IP distribution issues that Neflix has been working to eradicate. On the other hand I think that Disney has such a vast library that they will immediately be a strong competitor to all the other streaming services, and may be able to provide real value for money.

I don't relish paying for another service, but it does seem to make business sense for Disney.
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Post by: Captain Video on November 20, 2018, 03:53:02 PM
Quote
Deadpool: We are Marvel

Fred: Yea but your Marvel Licensed by Fox, Its like if the Beatles were produced by Nickleback, yea its music... but it sucks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCf03KXyzIg

Bring the kids!
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Post by: Eternally Learning on November 21, 2018, 02:06:23 AM
I've never wanted to see a shameless, cash-grabbing, re-release more than I've wanted to see this movie.
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Post by: stretcher on November 21, 2018, 06:44:21 PM
Everything I've seen and read about Titans makes me not want to watch it. I am kind of interested in DC Universe, as I grew up reading Batman and Green Lantern comics (alongside my true comics loves of Spider-Man and Hellblazer), but until they get a flagship show that actually reviews well I'll pass. I don't even want to waste the free trial on checking out Titans.
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Post by: PANTS! on November 21, 2018, 07:13:49 PM
I love Titans.  The 80s book was the first book I collected, and I started to work in a comic book shop when the prestige format book was published just for the discounts. For years my online handle was Trigon. I was all in for this new DC channel.  So I am here to tell you that you made the right decision.

The good news is that Doom Patrol looks like it will knock it out of the park.
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Post by: Harry Black on November 23, 2018, 02:40:28 PM
I think Doom Patrol looks shaky as fuck.

Titans is kind of a morbid fascination for me.
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Post by: moj on December 07, 2018, 09:29:34 AM
Avengers endgame first trailer is out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=hA6hldpSTF8
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Post by: Harry Black on December 07, 2018, 03:34:25 PM
I got giddy watching this.
 
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Post by: brilligtove on December 07, 2018, 07:05:48 PM
Me too!
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Post by: PANTS! on December 22, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
Titans.

JFC this show. it has an episode that it's character-building focusing on one character and tying them into the greater narrative it's piling on so much new information opening up new venues probably the best episode ever. But it should never ever have been a season finale. Only it was.
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Post by: brilligtove on December 23, 2018, 05:27:56 AM
”JFC”?
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Post by: Harry Black on December 23, 2018, 07:43:20 AM
”JFC”?
Jesus Fucking Christ?

I agree btw. The show has flashes of brilliance and does not fuck around teasing at maybe a shared universe. Characters straight up say they have met Superman for example.
But it loses itself in its rush to appeal to angry 15 year old boys.
It COULD work. But it just kinda doesnt but I just keep watching.
And yeah. How the fuck is this a finale? This is a mid season break episode at best.
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Post by: PANTS! on January 04, 2019, 10:08:29 PM
I think Doom Patrol looks shaky as fuck.

Titans is kind of a morbid fascination for me.

I know you probably know this but Young Justice is back!!!!!
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Post by: Desert Fox on February 11, 2019, 10:09:35 PM
Anyone see "Reign of Supermen?"
Not even on the Netflix list and wondering if I should just buy it?
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Post by: PANTS! on February 15, 2019, 09:18:38 PM
Well Doom Patrol is a solid B, B+. It was quite enjoyable; very true to the Morrison run, but with its own twists. It went meta, but it did so in universe. It just was this kind of show I expected when I signed up for the DC universe service.
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Post by: brilligtove on March 13, 2019, 04:01:49 PM
I just saw Captain Marvel. I quite liked it. I never felt there was any real jeopardy, but that wasn't what the movie was about. I did want more Coulson.
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Post by: PANTS! on March 19, 2019, 10:08:24 PM
Doom Patrol has moved into a plus territory with the last two episodes. Hopefully I can keep it up because is really knocking it out of the park. If you like absurdism and dadaism this is what you need to be watching.
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Post by: Rai on April 02, 2019, 02:00:57 AM
After watching Us for the second time, I realised one problem I have with Endgame: where the hell is Lupita from the poster and cast list?
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Post by: Eternally Learning on April 02, 2019, 03:29:06 AM
After watching Us for the second time, I realised one problem I have with Endgame: where the hell is Lupita from the poster and cast list?

Wasn't she busy building up Wakandan outreach in California?  Doesn't seem like there would have been time to bring her to Wakanda, and while formidable she was hardly the only formidable Wakandan woman on that field. 
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Post by: Rai on April 02, 2019, 03:58:02 AM
After watching Us for the second time, I realised one problem I have with Endgame: where the hell is Lupita from the poster and cast list?

Wasn't she busy building up Wakandan outreach in California?  Doesn't seem like there would have been time to bring her to Wakanda, and while formidable she was hardly the only formidable Wakandan woman on that field.

True, but Nakia is the only major character missing from the movies who is not confirmed dusted or simply dead. Meanwhile Happy Hogan (Stark's driver) is there, which is fine but he isn't exactly on the same level.
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Post by: Eternally Learning on April 02, 2019, 05:02:37 AM
After watching Us for the second time, I realised one problem I have with Endgame: where the hell is Lupita from the poster and cast list?

Wasn't she busy building up Wakandan outreach in California?  Doesn't seem like there would have been time to bring her to Wakanda, and while formidable she was hardly the only formidable Wakandan woman on that field.

True, but Nakia is the only major character missing from the movies who is not confirmed dusted or simply dead. Meanwhile Happy Hogan (Stark's driver) is there, which is fine but he isn't exactly on the same level.

Has Scott Lang's family been confirmed dusted?  His daughter is pretty major and her dusting would drastically change Scott's tone for the movie I'd imagine.  At any rate, I'm with you that it'd be weird to completely ignore Nakia until Black Panther 2, but I guess the reality is that there's only so many distraught people trying to bring back their loved ones stories they can fit in there.
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Post by: Rai on April 02, 2019, 06:03:06 AM
After watching Us for the second time, I realised one problem I have with Endgame: where the hell is Lupita from the poster and cast list?

Wasn't she busy building up Wakandan outreach in California?  Doesn't seem like there would have been time to bring her to Wakanda, and while formidable she was hardly the only formidable Wakandan woman on that field.

True, but Nakia is the only major character missing from the movies who is not confirmed dusted or simply dead. Meanwhile Happy Hogan (Stark's driver) is there, which is fine but he isn't exactly on the same level.

Has Scott Lang's family been confirmed dusted?  His daughter is pretty major and her dusting would drastically change Scott's tone for the movie I'd imagine.  At any rate, I'm with you that it'd be weird to completely ignore Nakia until Black Panther 2, but I guess the reality is that there's only so many distraught people trying to bring back their loved ones stories they can fit in there.

I don't think there has been anything about Lang's ex and daughter.

I think Nakia would have been an interesting addition, as her relationship dynamics with T'Challa are rather unique. It's not even like there are that many couples separated by the snap, the only one I can think of is Ant Man and Wasp and they are from the filler roster.

Actually, now that I think about it, it is weird how few actually consequential snap-separations of major relationships are out there, the only I can think of are Cap-Bucky and Stark-Peter Parker. The rest are either alive or dusted together.

I don't count Thor-Loki, because Loki was snapped in a very different way (though he is on the poster)
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Post by: Eternally Learning on April 02, 2019, 06:07:17 AM
I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see it, I'm just saying I can understand why it might not be a priority with everything else going on.  I'm content to wait and see how they handle everything before worrying too much about what may or may not be in the film.
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Post by: Desert Fox on April 17, 2019, 09:04:49 PM
Something I don't understand abut Aquaman is the end game of Orm was.

No matter what you do, you will have a very pissed off Kryptonian and Demi-God you have to contend with.
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Post by: brilligtove on April 17, 2019, 09:34:57 PM
Just watched it again for the first repeat viewing. The plot is much less coherent than on first viewing. That's ok - it's good enough to suspend disbelief easily enough. TBH I don't think that Orm gave a shit about Supes or Wonder Woman.
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Post by: Desert Fox on April 17, 2019, 11:32:50 PM
Just watched it again for the first repeat viewing. The plot is much less coherent than on first viewing. That's ok - it's good enough to suspend disbelief easily enough. TBH I don't think that Orm gave a shit about Supes or Wonder Woman.

Until Sups singled handedly takes out your entire force?
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Post by: brilligtove on April 18, 2019, 01:23:56 AM
Just watched it again for the first repeat viewing. The plot is much less coherent than on first viewing. That's ok - it's good enough to suspend disbelief easily enough. TBH I don't think that Orm gave a shit about Supes or Wonder Woman.

Until Sups singled handedly takes out your entire force?

He can be beaten. It just takes a lot.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2019, 07:18:04 AM
The more I think about Robert Pattinson for Batman, the more I think he would be fine. The guy has done some amazing acting since Twilight.
Its all down to the movie thats built around him I think. But I would still prefer Gyllenhal.
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Post by: brilligtove on May 19, 2019, 09:23:43 AM
The more I think about Robert Pattinson for Batman, the more I think he would be fine. The guy has done some amazing acting since Twilight.
Its all down to the movie thats built around him I think. But I would still prefer Gyllenhal.

(https://i.imgur.com/GkFRe2h.jpg)

I think I'd prefer Gyllenhaal too. He'd play the hell out of a troubled Bruce Wayne. I'm really not familiar with Pattinson's work, though, so it isn't a strong preference.
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Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2019, 12:53:16 PM
I highly recommend the movie Good Time as an example of what he is capable of.
I dont think it would be very hard to present him as a late 20s Bruce Wayne.
Nicholas Holt is the other name that has been thrown around and I dont quite think he has the chops for it. Im sure he would be fine but it would feel like a missed opportunity to me.
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Post by: brilligtove on May 19, 2019, 12:57:02 PM
I haven't seen him in anything at all, but from what I've read it sounds like he is a good actor.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2019, 01:02:34 PM
Lets face it, anyone with more than zero and less than two chins can be batman.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on May 19, 2019, 01:17:10 PM
Yep - thus my focus on Bruce instead of the suit.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on May 19, 2019, 01:30:43 PM
As long as Batman does not "sparkle" I'm willing to give the kid a shot.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Harry Black on May 19, 2019, 02:10:32 PM
Yep - thus my focus on Bruce instead of the suit.
I think we are thinking along the same lines.

Batman is my biggest fan boy property but I am fairly open minded about who should play him.
And very close minded as to which interpretations I want to see :laugh:
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: PANTS! on May 20, 2019, 06:51:17 AM
As far as I'm concerned he missed his opportunity to play his greatest role.

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Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on May 20, 2019, 08:07:52 AM
As far as I'm concerned he missed his opportunity to play his greatest role.

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You know I forgot about that movie entirely? I saw it on VHS in a friend's basement a few years after it came out. I'd never heard of it at all when I saw it, so every part of the movie was a surprise. It blew my mind at the time.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on July 04, 2019, 02:16:09 PM

I would like to see Miles Morales in the SMU as opposed Peter Parker. It would make more sense.

Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on July 04, 2019, 03:28:32 PM

I would like to see Miles Morales in the SMU as opposed Peter Parker. It would make more sense.

Do you mean the MCU - or is there another shared universe for me to delve into?

I'd love to see Miles in the MCU, but I think I'd like to see Spider Gwen even more.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: PANTS! on July 04, 2019, 03:36:59 PM

I would like to see Miles Morales in the SMU as opposed Peter Parker. It would make more sense.

Do you mean the MCU - or is there another shared universe for me to delve into?

I'd love to see Miles in the MCU, but I think I'd like to see Spider Gwen even more.

OK I see your point.  But, that panel is directly from one of the real life comics - I think is from the original spidey origin story, Amazing Fantasy #15. 
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on July 04, 2019, 03:38:26 PM
I knew it was from a real comic, but didn't know it was from the origin story. Nice reference there!
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: PANTS! on July 04, 2019, 03:44:53 PM
I knew it was from a real comic, but didn't know it was from the origin story. Nice reference there!

Yes - It was from Amazing Fantasy #15.  Anyway - if you are an oldster comic book nerd, its a pretty famous panel.  They hit a number of these throughout the movie.  He also does a few famous cover art poses throughout the movie.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/8-of-the-coolest-details-we-learned-from-into-the-spide-1831966874

Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on July 04, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
I knew it was from a real comic, but didn't know it was from the origin story. Nice reference there!

Yes - It was from Amazing Fantasy #15.  Anyway - if you are an oldster comic book nerd, its a pretty famous panel.  They hit a number of these throughout the movie.  He also does a few famous cover art poses throughout the movie.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/8-of-the-coolest-details-we-learned-from-into-the-spide-1831966874

Thanks for the link! Great behind the scenes info. In #3 they say, "He eventually attaches himself to a Spider-Man comic book that sees protagonist Billy Barker going through a similar ordeal."

Now we know.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on July 05, 2019, 02:59:45 PM

I would like to see Miles Morales in the SMU as opposed Peter Parker. It would make more sense.

Do you mean the MCU - or is there another shared universe for me to delve into?

I'd love to see Miles in the MCU, but I think I'd like to see Spider Gwen even more.

SMU= Sony Marvel Universe,  Venom, Morbius, Venom 2, Nightwatch, Kraven the Hunter, The Sinister Six

I believe Miles would bridge the gap better between universes for some people who may not understand the differences. Spiderverse made it much easier for the audience to accept the multi-verse concept.

Miles would fit in this universe better than Peter.  Peter didn't come in contact with the symbiote first because Peter is dead.  Miles has not had to deal with the more mature Spiderman villains and supergroups yet because he is still in the neighborhood crime phase of his youth. Stark is not helping Spider Man in this universe with tech. He cant go into space. He would have no reason to come in contact with the symbiote nor the Life Foundation.

It would make sense for Eddie Brock to investigate the new Spiderman in the future.

Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on July 06, 2019, 11:41:37 AM

I would like to see Miles Morales in the SMU as opposed Peter Parker. It would make more sense.

Do you mean the MCU - or is there another shared universe for me to delve into?

I'd love to see Miles in the MCU, but I think I'd like to see Spider Gwen even more.

SMU= Sony Marvel Universe,  Venom, Morbius, Venom 2, Nightwatch, Kraven the Hunter, The Sinister Six

I believe Miles would bridge the gap better between universes for some people who may not understand the differences. Spiderverse made it much easier for the audience to accept the multi-verse concept.

Miles would fit in this universe better than Peter.  Peter didn't come in contact with the symbiote first because Peter is dead.  Miles has not had to deal with the more mature Spiderman villains and supergroups yet because he is still in the neighborhood crime phase of his youth. Stark is not helping Spider Man in this universe with tech. He cant go into space. He would have no reason to come in contact with the symbiote nor the Life Foundation.

It would make sense for Eddie Brock to investigate the new Spiderman in the future.

That makes sense. With Miles' spider being from not-his-Earth, I suspect he'll be able to travel the spiderverse without falling apart, so there would be a lot of opportunities for him to interact with the SMU characters. With the post-credits scene, we saw a Spiderman take on the animation style of the world he entered, rather than retaining his own universe's characteristics. Since that's possible, an animated Miles could become a live-action Miles in Venom's world (for example).
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on August 21, 2019, 10:13:34 PM
Goodbye MCU Spider man!

Hello SMU Spider man!

I guess we will see that Spiderman/Venom crossover after all.

https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2019/08/spider-man-sony-marvel-studios-deal-explained/

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Sony has officially decided to take their ball and go home. As initially reported by Deadline (and later confirmed by Variety) Sony is considering ending their agreement with Marvel Studios to share the Spider-Man character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

I have found other articles claiming this has already happened.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 21, 2019, 11:41:47 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that these press releases are part of the last ditch negotiations from either side, trying to get public support behind their position.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 22, 2019, 05:58:04 AM
Waiting for Venom to call Spidy "Pussy".  >:D
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: wastrel on August 23, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that these press releases are part of the last ditch negotiations from either side, trying to get public support behind their position.

I've yet to see a single shred of public support in favor of Sony :D
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 23, 2019, 05:29:21 PM
I have a sneaking suspicion that these press releases are part of the last ditch negotiations from either side, trying to get public support behind their position.

I've yet to see a single shred of public support in favor of Sony :D

Actually, sentiments on reddit seemed to have shifted in Sony's favor, the last I saw.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on August 23, 2019, 09:04:23 PM
https://nerdbot.com/2019/08/22/stan-lees-daughter-says-marvel-never-respected-stan-sides-with-sony/?fbclid=IwAR36Qm0VCIKGunwjh2n1t1WeynAqlWq4P9W34TqCvY8M_VpEo2XR3FAtdJw

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    “Marvel and Disney seeking total control of my father’s creations must be checked and balanced by others who, while still seeking to profit, have genuine respect for Stan Lee and his legacy. Whether it’s Sony or someone else’s, the continued evolution of Stan’s characters and his legacy deserves multiple points of view. When my father died, no one from Marvel or Disney reached out to me. From day one, they have commoditized my father’s work and never shown him or his legacy any respect or decency. In the end, no one could have treated my father worse than Marvel and Disney’s executives.”
    Joan Celia Lee speaking to TMZ

Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Eternally Learning on August 23, 2019, 11:27:16 PM
https://nerdbot.com/2019/08/22/stan-lees-daughter-says-marvel-never-respected-stan-sides-with-sony/?fbclid=IwAR36Qm0VCIKGunwjh2n1t1WeynAqlWq4P9W34TqCvY8M_VpEo2XR3FAtdJw

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    “Marvel and Disney seeking total control of my father’s creations must be checked and balanced by others who, while still seeking to profit, have genuine respect for Stan Lee and his legacy. Whether it’s Sony or someone else’s, the continued evolution of Stan’s characters and his legacy deserves multiple points of view. When my father died, no one from Marvel or Disney reached out to me. From day one, they have commoditized my father’s work and never shown him or his legacy any respect or decency. In the end, no one could have treated my father worse than Marvel and Disney’s executives.”
    Joan Celia Lee speaking to TMZ

I'm not diving into it because I really don't care enough to suss out the truth, but wasn't she the daughter accused of abusing Stan Lee and siphoning off money from him with his scummy lawyer?
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on August 24, 2019, 09:56:46 AM
https://nerdbot.com/2019/08/22/stan-lees-daughter-says-marvel-never-respected-stan-sides-with-sony/?fbclid=IwAR36Qm0VCIKGunwjh2n1t1WeynAqlWq4P9W34TqCvY8M_VpEo2XR3FAtdJw

Quote
    “Marvel and Disney seeking total control of my father’s creations must be checked and balanced by others who, while still seeking to profit, have genuine respect for Stan Lee and his legacy. Whether it’s Sony or someone else’s, the continued evolution of Stan’s characters and his legacy deserves multiple points of view. When my father died, no one from Marvel or Disney reached out to me. From day one, they have commoditized my father’s work and never shown him or his legacy any respect or decency. In the end, no one could have treated my father worse than Marvel and Disney’s executives.”
    Joan Celia Lee speaking to TMZ

I'm not diving into it because I really don't care enough to suss out the truth, but wasn't she the daughter accused of abusing Stan Lee and siphoning off money from him with his scummy lawyer?

That was his assistant.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: wastrel on September 27, 2019, 11:33:32 AM
Fuck these guys, they are tiresome

https://twitter.com/adambvary/status/1177600151482843139
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: brilligtove on September 27, 2019, 03:15:22 PM
Fuck these guys, they are tiresome

https://twitter.com/adambvary/status/1177600151482843139
https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/27/20887093/spider-man-marvel-cinematic-universe-sony-disney-tom-holland-kevin-feige
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Harry Black on September 27, 2019, 09:00:49 PM
Meh. This has moved from a film Im morbidly curious about to one I feel sure will be good.
I feel bad for Tom Holland. A boy his age needs stability.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: wastrel on September 27, 2019, 09:29:35 PM
I'm glad it's back in, but this corporate bickering is tiresome to the nth degree.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on September 28, 2019, 01:08:44 AM
I still really want to see Tom Holland face Venom and the others in the SMU. It would be nice if we could have both.

Miles Morales would also be acceptable but I think we need a Spiderman to pull that universe together, even if he is a secondary guest character. I don't want to see another actor playing Peter Parker at this stage, even if he is from a different verse.

Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Harry Black on September 28, 2019, 05:24:16 AM
Using Miles could be a great move creatively, although I dont know what sort of impact that confusion might have on general audiences if you advertise Spider-Man and they expect an avengerverse movie.

I feel zero tension for this Spidey to meet this Venom though. Their conflict can never be as intimate as it should have been. At this point Venom is just a superpowered Punisher. Eddie Brock is a hero.
Could be interesting to have Spidey tracking down the dude who is biting the heads off convenience store robbers?
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Ah.hell on September 30, 2019, 08:48:09 AM
I feel zero tension for this Spidey to meet this Venom though. Their conflict can never be as intimate as it should have been.
This is absolutely true.
Title: Re: Cinematic Universe Discussions - COMICS
Post by: Captain Video on October 09, 2019, 12:38:50 AM
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