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Title: Religion.jpg
Post by: Anders on November 24, 2016, 03:10:39 PM
Pictures with a religious theme!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyDNbe8XUAAyB4G.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on November 29, 2016, 08:32:49 PM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: God Bomb on December 02, 2016, 02:57:44 AM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.

is it just me or can you actually not read that when you zoom in.  It's too low quality.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Tassie Dave on December 02, 2016, 03:25:30 AM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.

is it just me or can you actually not read that when you zoom in.  It's too low quality.

Here is a much higher quality version (and a more complete version). I found it easier to use with the image copied to my computer.

http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree.png


Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: God Bomb on December 02, 2016, 03:38:47 AM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.

is it just me or can you actually not read that when you zoom in.  It's too low quality.

Here is a much higher quality version (and a more complete version). I found it easier to use with the image copied to my computer.

http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree.png

thanks
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 02, 2016, 08:46:07 AM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.

is it just me or can you actually not read that when you zoom in.  It's too low quality.

Here is a much higher quality version (and a more complete version). I found it easier to use with the image copied to my computer.

http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree.png

thanks

Huh, that's weird, I thought I linked to that one... I could've sworn I'd even checked it by clicking on it, but I guess I must've copy/pasted the wrong one.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Anders on December 03, 2016, 08:54:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/T8SKD.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on December 03, 2016, 10:37:14 AM
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2014/11/rabbit-god-duck-god.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 03, 2016, 10:41:21 AM
I posted this in YLYL, but it really belongs here:

(http://i.imgur.com/XBqAMzO.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Henning on December 03, 2016, 12:28:10 PM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.

is it just me or can you actually not read that when you zoom in.  It's too low quality.

Here is a much higher quality version (and a more complete version). I found it easier to use with the image copied to my computer.

http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree.png


My chrome runs out of memory. Yeah, save it to disk.
I didn't find any Greek or Norse mythology. I guess the tree format isn't made to handle independent paganism that then feeds back into the main religions? ...the opposite of a branch.
Or do those just not count as religions?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Mr. Beagle on December 03, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.

is it just me or can you actually not read that when you zoom in.  It's too low quality.

Here is a much higher quality version (and a more complete version). I found it easier to use with the image copied to my computer.

http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree.png


My chrome runs out of memory. Yeah, save it to disk.
I didn't find any Greek or Norse mythology. I guess the tree format isn't made to handle independent paganism that then feeds back into the main religions? ...the opposite of a branch.
Or do those just not count as religions?

I found it odd that some religions were broken down to the extreme, while the Mormons, who have dozens of offshoots still alive today (and well-documented), were not. There are at least three just in my part of rural prairie.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 03, 2016, 03:27:54 PM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.

is it just me or can you actually not read that when you zoom in.  It's too low quality.

Here is a much higher quality version (and a more complete version). I found it easier to use with the image copied to my computer.

http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree.png


My chrome runs out of memory. Yeah, save it to disk.
I didn't find any Greek or Norse mythology. I guess the tree format isn't made to handle independent paganism that then feeds back into the main religions? ...the opposite of a branch.
Or do those just not count as religions?

I found it odd that some religions were broken down to the extreme, while the Mormons, who have dozens of offshoots still alive today (and well-documented), were not. There are at least three just in my part of rural prairie.

To be fair, Mormonism is shown as a thicker branch than those very specific denominations.

I also didn't see any African tribal religions or Native (North or South) American religions... It says "world religions", so I guess there's an arbitrary cutoff on what counts as "world"ly. It's not very scientific, but still a fun chart.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 03, 2016, 04:38:39 PM
Don't know if politics.jpg or religion.jpg

(https://9502-presscdn-0-95-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/muslim-pre-schooler-girl.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6se3D3c.jpg)

Or, if you want the original (which is not a jpg):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-S3hcahZ0
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 15, 2016, 10:54:50 AM
(Supposedly) This is Saudi King Abdul Aziz inside the Kaaba, arguably the holiest building in Islam:

(http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/11401426_359613137560593_3147147338502592586_n.jpg)

This is considered a bad (http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/outrage-as-saudi-policeman-rests-shoe-on-makkah-s-sacred-kaaba-1.1339752) thing.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Enkidu Shamesh on December 15, 2016, 11:58:45 PM
are you even allowed to take pictures in side the Kaaba?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Friendly Angel on December 16, 2016, 12:42:40 AM
are you even allowed to take pictures in side the Kaaba?

I didn't even know there was an inside.

Anyway, true story, but from June 2015.


http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2015/06/03/saudi-arabias-king-salman-bin-abdul-aziz-extremely-violated-the-sanctity-of-holy-khana-i-kaaba-in-makkah/

Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 16, 2016, 05:24:50 AM
are you even allowed to take pictures in side the Kaaba?

That was my question as well, that's how I stumbled across this one. }|:op
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 23, 2016, 02:44:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0QDcH-XcAAhV25.jpg)

EDIT:

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/15723988_1554028411279727_28651361_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on January 20, 2017, 07:25:10 PM
(https://cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/k4mph.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: seamas on January 23, 2017, 11:15:10 AM
Every time I have rung that doorbell I hear prayers of "GOD YES!!!" and "DON'T STOP!".
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on February 26, 2017, 11:08:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/IRAveHI.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Boßel on February 27, 2017, 08:14:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IRAveHI.jpg)

Thought I was in the politics.jpg thread. Talk about confusion.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on February 28, 2017, 01:57:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4baRzmq.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on February 28, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
Thought I was in the politics.jpg thread. Talk about confusion.

Just started on politics.jpg last night, and I'm about half-way through. Around the quarter point, it—meaning the text arguments mostly—was arguably more about religion than politics.

Another way to say that is that politics is a superset of religion.

Is it like some kind of gnosis—or "coming to Jesus moment"—when people find out what Left/Right and liberal/conservative actually mean?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on February 28, 2017, 05:10:47 PM
I think they have overlapping characteristics (since they both deal with beliefs, norms, and values), and there are some political religions, and some religious politics, but I wouldn't call politics a superset of religion, since not everything about religions is political.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Mr. Beagle on February 28, 2017, 06:53:45 PM
I think they have overlapping characteristics (since they both deal with beliefs, norms, and values), and there are some political religions, and some religious politics, but I wouldn't call politics a superset of religion, since not everything about religions is political.

Religions cross over into politics in several ways:

1. The current crop of evangelical "dominionist" believers, who believe that "Christian" moral codes (usually sex-related) must be enforced politically.
2. The mainstream Christian social justice believers (also traditional black churches) who see a political imperative on poverty and peace issues.
3. On the other extreme, some churches have insisted that political entities keep out of their churches, e.g. Amish and native American religions.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: 2397 on March 02, 2017, 06:18:14 AM
Religions only don't cross over into politics if secularism is absolute. If religion is ever an argument for or against a policy, or for circumventing rules and laws, then it is political.

I don't think allowing religions tax exemption based on religiosity is secularism, I think that's catering to religion. They could be tax exempt for other reasons, and they don't need to have their religion validated by the government.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on March 02, 2017, 07:44:20 AM
Religion informs a person ethics / philosophy
Non-Religion informs your  ethics / philosophy as well.
Ultimately, I think it is impossible to separate them completely.
I do agree that Churches should probably simply not be tax exempt however.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on March 02, 2017, 08:01:55 AM
Taken from politics.jpg:

(http://i.imgur.com/3m9DrQo.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/REcMoE0.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on March 02, 2017, 08:23:51 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TFXb4Q8.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1EVSUPk.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on March 02, 2017, 04:36:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tBWO5ti.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Oh Henry on March 03, 2017, 05:38:39 PM
(http://www.memefrontier.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/default_width/meme/jesus-jerk-how-about-tumor.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on March 09, 2017, 08:34:29 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YXAV3is.png?1)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on March 14, 2017, 08:47:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Vs1VWrVl.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 23, 2017, 07:20:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/uzEwjY9.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on March 24, 2017, 01:16:10 AM
Maybe the homeless person will turn it into beer but is that any worse than the rich preacher turning it into tasteless expensive suits, overpriced estates, and jets?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on March 24, 2017, 07:42:45 AM
Maybe the homeless person will turn it into beer but is that any worse than the rich preacher turning it into tasteless expensive suits, overpriced estates, and jets?

(https://i.imgur.com/utzTCyo.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on March 24, 2017, 12:36:15 PM
Is it actually a joke though?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on March 24, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
Is it actually a joke though?

I'm about 80% sure it is.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on March 25, 2017, 07:10:37 AM
Is it actually a joke though?

I'm about 80% sure it is.

There is just something that is particularly horrible about how preachers ask for money when they are basically rolling in it already.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: 2397 on March 25, 2017, 08:22:25 AM
There is just something that is particularly horrible about how preachers ask for money when they are basically rolling in it already.

Or when they don't intend for it to go to anything humanitarian.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Fast Eddie B on March 28, 2017, 09:39:54 AM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2820/33659392626_69624b89b9_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: 2397 on March 28, 2017, 10:28:11 AM
A bunny-shape would be more impressive.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: seamas on March 28, 2017, 11:26:57 AM
They need to have a Passover one done with Dr. Brown's Cel-Ray!
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Friendly Angel on April 06, 2017, 09:39:20 PM
I'll be going to hell for this one:

(http://i.imgur.com/xwWZV2P.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on April 07, 2017, 07:15:05 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/BiblemanActionFigures.jpg)

Bibleman, bibleman, does whatever a bibleman does...
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Boßel on April 07, 2017, 10:58:27 AM
What's up with the female action figure's eyes?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on April 08, 2017, 02:43:13 PM
I feel this belongs here:

(http://1.1m.yt/r18iBAO.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Shibboleth on April 10, 2017, 12:38:18 PM
I feel this belongs here:

(http://1.1m.yt/r18iBAO.jpg)

Seems like it would be a bit outdated news.

"This just in, the Israelites have been resettled as captives in Assyria!"
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on April 10, 2017, 02:36:39 PM
Maybe fake history would be better. . . .Maybe that is why fundamentalist Christians like David Barton so much  :mysterysolved:
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on April 19, 2017, 11:37:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xdMGMK0.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on April 29, 2017, 09:46:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YQm3PT2.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on May 05, 2017, 09:49:27 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_Bm6-jXsAAX2b2.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: 2397 on May 05, 2017, 12:03:51 PM
Are we sure that's not the same dog merged from three pictures?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Friendly Angel on May 05, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
Are we sure that's not the same dog merged from three pictures?

As in THE HOLY TRINITY?  Holy cow that is a Christian album.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on May 18, 2017, 07:06:40 AM
(https://i.redd.it/7yvf4vjofxxy.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on May 20, 2017, 12:33:27 PM
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/256/943/cf0.jpg)

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/256/944/a1b.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Pdb on June 10, 2017, 11:17:57 PM
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/19030716_1329478370506778_6584759881255759956_n.jpg?oh=c99159a7a579aef30f6e3784f894421b&oe=59E86186)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on June 11, 2017, 05:59:53 PM
(click to show/hide)

is that a wizard?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Pdb on June 24, 2017, 08:46:00 AM
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19396960_10155385349490040_8744549292080933478_n.jpg?oh=c4f476fde44c12e4bc38b41e46827105&oe=59E87DDA)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on July 01, 2017, 12:16:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/6PPRMl5.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on July 02, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YdiRvbW.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 16, 2017, 08:59:20 AM
(http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-content/uploads/2017-08-16.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on August 16, 2017, 09:44:47 PM
(http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-content/uploads/2017-08-16.png)

I basically had this exact conversation tonight.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on August 17, 2017, 11:58:58 AM
(http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2016/02/depicting-deities.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on August 18, 2017, 12:19:54 PM
Graffiti spotted on the campus of North Park University, a Christian college in Chicago, IL.

(http://i.imgur.com/9sLPoRS.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Henning on August 22, 2017, 02:05:59 PM
F-  'im, right in the crack...
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on September 02, 2017, 02:39:59 AM
In Soviet Orthodox Church, Devil Fs You!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on September 12, 2017, 10:42:41 AM
This seems as good a place as any to put these.

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/740/128/ed7.gif)

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/740/139/84e.gif)

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/740/148/e22.gif)

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/739/882/ac4.gif)






Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on September 12, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
Actually I have sometimes wondered if nuns and monks did not survive their lives simply by being drunk off their ass most of the time  :-[
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on September 22, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK5aLPy8zJs
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 26, 2017, 07:54:19 AM
Actually I have sometimes wondered if nuns and monks did not survive their lives simply by being drunk off their ass most of the time  :-[
Nuns who left the church reported that they spent hours a day a "devotions" where they imagined having sex with Jesus, their "husband" until they reached orgasm. Cheaper than booze and no hang-over.

I can imagine at least some of the monks preferred a monastic all-male environment for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on September 30, 2017, 04:48:25 PM
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a5nz1zy_700b.jpg)
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Post by: SkeptiQueer on October 01, 2017, 11:16:56 PM
On a more positive note, the Church of St. Libourius (an old catholic chuch in St. Louis's poor north side) converted to a skatepark with open skate for $5/person and yoga on Sunday mornings.
(https://i.redd.it/zhjptbj21bpz.jpg)
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Post by: Desert Fox on October 02, 2017, 12:11:28 AM
Many old cathedrals are beautiful building and while not religious, seems sad to tear them down.
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Post by: HighPockets on October 02, 2017, 05:19:58 PM
80s skater me would have LOVED that. ( I love it now too, but I don't skate anymore).
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Post by: John Albert on October 04, 2017, 08:39:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uyZWp0H.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on October 18, 2017, 01:00:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/l7oGeAi.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on October 25, 2017, 05:45:01 AM
Spotted in a shop in Ueno, Tokyo:

(https://i.imgur.com/MU7HnFo.jpg)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on October 25, 2017, 07:07:45 AM
The old cathedrals of Europe trip me out. Some took a hundred years to build. And from the time the land was first cleared to this date not one soul has been saved.
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Post by: stands2reason on November 04, 2017, 02:23:50 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xS4tHFF.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on November 11, 2017, 01:41:09 PM
(https://i.redd.it/mgmmeyuew5xz.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on November 11, 2017, 02:06:40 PM
(http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-content/uploads/2017-11-08.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Tassie Dave on November 22, 2017, 03:13:04 AM
Oopsie  >:D  ;D

Quote
An Adelaide Catholic school has covered up a statue of a religious icon after it created a stir on social media because of its apparently unintended suggestiveness.

(https://i.imgur.com/MU4hi4M.jpg)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-22/statue-of-saint-and-child-creates-stir/9180724
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Post by: John Albert on November 22, 2017, 05:49:30 AM
Oopsie  >:D  ;D

Quote
An Adelaide Catholic school has covered up a statue of a religious icon after it created a stir on social media because of its apparently unintended suggestiveness.

(https://i.imgur.com/MU4hi4M.jpg)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-22/statue-of-saint-and-child-creates-stir/9180724

Here's a better angle:

(https://i.imgur.com/YHGNKvx.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on November 22, 2017, 09:20:54 AM
If not for the almost uncountable number of scandals, your brain would probably not go there.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on November 22, 2017, 09:24:36 AM
(http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-content/uploads/micro.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on November 23, 2017, 05:21:34 AM
Oopsie  >:D  ;D

Quote
An Adelaide Catholic school has covered up a statue of a religious icon after it created a stir on social media because of its apparently unintended suggestiveness.

(https://i.imgur.com/MU4hi4M.jpg)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-22/statue-of-saint-and-child-creates-stir/9180724

"Give us today our daily bread."
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on November 23, 2017, 06:31:34 AM
Looks Irish to me.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 01, 2017, 09:34:08 AM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205851496007467009/386157400320901120/23795465_852186458276757_7260180651910346391_n.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: The Latinist on December 01, 2017, 09:35:50 AM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/205851496007467009/386157400320901120/23795465_852186458276757_7260180651910346391_n.png)

https://www.snopes.com/noahs-ark-park-flooded/
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Desert Fox on December 02, 2017, 06:16:46 AM
Be nice if it were true though  :P
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Post by: Fast Eddie B on December 02, 2017, 06:35:44 AM
Be nice if it were true though  :P

Especially if the flood was of biblical proportions!  >:D
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Post by: Morvis13 on December 05, 2017, 01:02:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/35QPbBT.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on December 12, 2017, 07:44:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KMSUTLc.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on December 14, 2017, 06:46:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vYIS6L6.jpg)
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Post by: 2397 on December 14, 2017, 06:49:40 AM
How many of those does God tick?
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Post by: werecow on December 14, 2017, 07:15:05 AM
How many of those does God tick?

I'd say at least 5 and 6, probably 7 and maybe 3. Descriptions of God's private life are too lacking to say much about the other three.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on December 14, 2017, 10:17:33 AM
(http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-content/uploads/rare.png)
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Post by: Morvis13 on December 16, 2017, 01:18:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qD4HMI9.jpg)
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Post by: werecow on December 18, 2017, 06:04:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A0eImpF.jpg)
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Post by: werecow on December 23, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
(https://hugelolcdn.com/i/487379.jpg)
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Post by: Morvis13 on December 23, 2017, 10:59:52 PM
(https://i.redd.it/dzavudt7qn501.jpg)
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Post by: John Albert on December 23, 2017, 11:14:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uL04cK8.jpg)
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Post by: Desert Fox on December 24, 2017, 03:11:56 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uL04cK8.jpg)

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on December 30, 2017, 08:07:50 AM
Thy sword and thy shaft spear comfort me, oh Lord.  ;D
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Post by: Morvis13 on January 04, 2018, 10:39:16 PM
(https://i.redd.it/xlf7v3y455801.jpg)
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Post by: John Albert on January 12, 2018, 09:47:58 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/zNVOvuS.jpg)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 12, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
Your grammar checker not included?
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Post by: werecow on January 12, 2018, 11:14:14 AM
There's something about the armpit hair that makes it work even better.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on January 12, 2018, 11:50:05 AM
There's something about the armpit hair that makes it work even better.

Oh thanks, I thought that was the inside of his thigh.
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Post by: CarbShark on January 14, 2018, 10:03:59 PM

Jesus-shaped cloud suddenly appears in sky



(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10298369.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-CEN_UnusualClouds_01.jpg)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/jesus-shaped-cloud-appears-sky-1029844

I don’t see it

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Post by: Boßel on January 15, 2018, 01:25:01 AM
It could easily be Gandalf.
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Post by: 2397 on January 15, 2018, 05:41:02 AM
Or Emperor Palpatine with the lightning arms.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 15, 2018, 07:53:30 AM
It could easily be Gandalf.
"...Beyond all hope!"
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Post by: DevoutCatalyst on January 15, 2018, 08:07:50 AM
And the cloud spake,

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Yeah, that was Jesus alright.
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Post by: Ah.hell on January 15, 2018, 09:58:38 AM
Didn't see it until I read the caption, then I a vague robed figure, I've seen far more impressive Jesii in burnt toast and tree trunks.
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Post by: John Albert on January 19, 2018, 10:39:38 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/LRFz3J8.jpg)
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Post by: CarbShark on January 19, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 19, 2018, 11:20:23 AM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?

Some forms of protestantism absolutely view the reverence of saints and the use of items as evil.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 19, 2018, 11:27:27 AM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?
That's a SoBap sign, I think. Southern Baptists don't recognize each other as being a "true Christian", and the Pope is completely beyond the Veil.
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Post by: John Albert on January 19, 2018, 11:52:49 AM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?

Some forms of protestantism absolutely view the reverence of saints and the use of items as evil.

Yeah, they consider the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox icons to be "idolatry."
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 19, 2018, 12:31:57 PM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?

Some forms of protestantism absolutely view the reverence of saints and the use of items as evil.

Yeah, they consider the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox icons to be "idolatry."
Even stopped clock is right twice a day.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 19, 2018, 12:44:57 PM

Even stopped clock is right twice a day.

How are they right?
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Post by: CarbShark on January 19, 2018, 01:21:21 PM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?
That's a SoBap sign, I think. Southern Baptists don't recognize each other as being a "true Christian", and the Pope is completely beyond the Veil.

Reminds me of the Emo Phillips joke. I'll see if I can find the audio.
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Post by: John Albert on January 19, 2018, 01:30:11 PM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?
That's a SoBap sign, I think. Southern Baptists don't recognize each other as being a "true Christian", and the Pope is completely beyond the Veil.

Reminds me of the Emo Phillips joke. I'll see if I can find the audio.

I know the one. It's one of the best religion jokes ever told.
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Post by: Halleyscomet on January 19, 2018, 01:36:18 PM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?
That's a SoBap sign, I think. Southern Baptists don't recognize each other as being a "true Christian", and the Pope is completely beyond the Veil.

Reminds me of the Emo Phillips joke. I'll see if I can find the audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNX_XiuA78
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Post by: Friendly Angel on January 19, 2018, 01:48:10 PM


I know the one. It's one of the best religion jokes ever told.

Hitchens's joke about the guy at the Wailing Wall is the best.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on January 19, 2018, 02:55:29 PM
Rosary beads? Isn't that a Catholic thing? Or are Catholics not the right kind of Christian?

Some forms of protestantism absolutely view the reverence of saints and the use of items as evil.

Jehovah's Witnesses view other christian religion as being evil. Catholics are top of their hate list. The pope is a tool of Satan  >:D
I had many a Sunday school telling us that only we were the true faith.  ::)

Rosary beads and crosses are seen as evil. (JW believe Jesus was nailed to a stake)
Yes, reverence of saints and Mary also evil. To JWs, Mary's was just a normal woman who gave birth to Jesus. They do believe in the virgin birth though.

Everything on that list is evil to JWs and that list is a tiny proportion of any list the JWs could come up with.
Harry Potter, any thing to do with Halloween, horror movies, D&D, Buffy etc are all gateways to witchcraft (which means Satan)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 19, 2018, 06:22:50 PM

Even stopped clock is right twice a day.

How are they right?
They show the  correct time for that two minutes daily.
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Post by: CarbShark on January 19, 2018, 06:36:31 PM

Even stopped clock is right twice a day.

How are they right?
They show the  correct time for that two minutes daily.

Yeah, but how are Christians right?
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Post by: Mr. Beagle on January 19, 2018, 07:30:47 PM
Humans are very naturally drawn to symbols, since well before anything resembling the religions we know today. And it extends well beyond religions to flags. football jerseys, etc. None of it makes logical sense, but it makes a lot of neurochemical and psychological sense.

So I see the various symbologies of Christianity as kind of a separate deal from the religion itself. Some religions like Eastern Orthodox embrace their symbologies, while classical Calvinists strictly limit symbols in their churches to an empty cross (as opposed to the bleeding Christ on Catholic crosses).

Humans also tend not to see any meaning n other peoples important symbols. Think everybody's university logo except your own.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 19, 2018, 08:39:06 PM

Even stopped clock is right twice a day.

How are they right?
They show the  correct time for that two minutes daily.

Yeah, but how are Christians right?
Didn't say that, I just made the rote answer there. I forgot the smiley. Oxycontin level way up there today.
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Post by: John Albert on January 22, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TItVmu9.gif)

The spread of Christianity.
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Post by: Morvis13 on January 22, 2018, 10:11:07 AM
Its like a plague.
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Post by: John Albert on January 22, 2018, 10:55:07 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TItVmu9.gif)

The spread of Christianity.

Its like a plague.

 :D

There are some problems with that map though.

It compares the spread of Christianity with the spread of the Roman Empire, even though Christianity started from within the Roman Empire and grew inside the Roman Empire even before Theodosius I made Christianity the official religion of the Empire.

Later, it contrasts the spread of Christianity with the rise of the Byzantine Empire, which itself was expressly Christian.

Then it also contrasts the spread of Christianity with the spread of the Mongols, many of whom also converted to (Nestorian) Christianity while the Yuan Dynasty was being established.
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Post by: werecow on January 24, 2018, 07:12:13 PM
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/335/827/a2e.jpg)
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Post by: 2397 on January 24, 2018, 07:47:45 PM
45 years until Christ is born.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on January 24, 2018, 08:31:44 PM
COMMUNISM
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 25, 2018, 10:37:10 AM
I think a more telling strip would be someone saying, "What the hell does anno domini mean?" and the other person saying, "I thought it stood for 'after death'." and then both of them dying from drinking out of lead pipes.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 25, 2018, 12:22:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TItVmu9.gif)

The spread of Christianity.
And, of course, the white areas  are far from being purely Christian.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 25, 2018, 01:09:45 PM
Same with the red areas during that time span.
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Post by: Pdb on January 27, 2018, 06:08:55 AM
The surprisingly rapid spread of Islam (more alignment of the political and religious than Christianity):
(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4407303/arab_expansion_gif_map_crop_2.gif)
(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4224903/height_of_omayyad_caliphate_cropped.png)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 27, 2018, 10:45:30 AM
Same with the red areas during that time span.
True, but the "impressive spread" idea is like the claim that the Bible is the best selling book in history. Most of those bibles were not sold, they were foisted on people who could/would read them by missionaries. I imagine the personal hygiene got a boost from it. And, of course, with digital editions and the Internet counting is pointless.
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Post by: John Albert on January 28, 2018, 01:22:59 PM
What's the point of turning it into a tu quoque argument?

It's not even about which religion is worse. They're all bad enough to have inspired and justified human rights atrocities. 

The reason I posted the one about Christianity is to examine the spread of its influence over a large stretch of history.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on January 28, 2018, 01:43:47 PM
-- and the important role of Communism in combating the spread.
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Post by: Pdb on January 28, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
What's the point of turning it into a tu quoque argument?

It's not even about which religion is worse. They're all bad enough to have inspired and justified human rights atrocities. 

The reason I posted the one about Christianity is to examine the spread of its influence over a large stretch of history.

Islam was faster and the empire was created after the religion (being one and the sa e). Christianity had a haphazard spread and Constantine's conversion overplayed Christianity on an existing belief system. Rome was already a mature empire and the spread was less surprising. Islam's success in the first few decades is truly astounding.

-- and the important role of Communism in combating the spread.

I find it interesting why English speaking countries avoided communism - perhaps something to do with Protestantism and weak family structures.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 28, 2018, 03:32:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TItVmu9.gif)

The spread of Christianity.

That map seems to think that pre-Islamic Iran or Persia was Christian. It was not. While it had Christian minorities, Zoroastrianism was the state religion and the dominant religion.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 28, 2018, 07:33:19 PM
What's the point of turning it into a tu quoque argument?

It's not even about which religion is worse. They're all bad enough to have inspired and justified human rights atrocities. 

The reason I posted the one about Christianity is to examine the spread of its influence over a large stretch of history.
And I was pointing out that the image was one way propagandists have inflated the influence of Christianity.
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Post by: John Albert on January 28, 2018, 09:32:13 PM
What's the point of turning it into a tu quoque argument?

It's not even about which religion is worse. They're all bad enough to have inspired and justified human rights atrocities. 

The reason I posted the one about Christianity is to examine the spread of its influence over a large stretch of history.

Islam was faster and the empire was created after the religion (being one and the sa e). Christianity had a haphazard spread and Constantine's conversion overplayed Christianity on an existing belief system. Rome was already a mature empire and the spread was less surprising. Islam's success in the first few decades is truly astounding.

Constantine's deathbed conversion wasn't the coup that most Christians make it out to be. It was Theodosius I's proclamation of Christianity as the religion of the Empire, and his fierce persecution of pagans that converted the majority within a decade and a half.

For all the violence of the Abbasid and Umayyad conquests, at least the Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to keep their faith so long as they paid the jizyah.
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Post by: Desert Fox on January 29, 2018, 04:40:58 AM
For all the violence of the Abbasid and Umayyad conquests, at least the Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to keep their faith so long as they paid the jizyah.

In some cases they did not want them to convert because of lost revenues.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 29, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
For all the violence of the Abbasid and Umayyad conquests, at least the Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to keep their faith so long as they paid the jizyah.

It's a bit of a mixed bag actually. While Jews generally fared better under Islamic rulers than under European rulers, these lands were not free from persecution of Jews. As in Europe, it very much depended on the temper of the ruler in place. Some rulers, both Muslim and European, were tolerant, whereas others were not. According to traditional Islamic sources, Muhammad did not get along well with the Jews of Arabia, and this colored later Islamic theology.

Treatment of Jews and ohter minorities did not only vary between individual rulers, but also between different kingdoms. The Fatimid Caliphate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimid_Caliphate) was Shiite, yet was tolerant of Sunnis as well as Jews and Christians, and they could be appointed to government posts just as Shiites could. The Almohad Caliphate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almohad_Caliphate) was much less tolerant. The Almohads engaged in forced conversions of Jews and Christians, however as these conversions were not judged to be sincere, so they had to wear identifying clothes.

Quote
Jews in Islamic Countries: The Treatment of Jews (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-treatment-of-jews-in-arab-islamic-countries)

Violence Against Jews

At various times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

Only a secular state can provide true, lasting tolerance.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 29, 2018, 12:43:35 PM


a secular state can provide true, lasting tolerance.

This has yet to be proven.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 29, 2018, 12:57:01 PM


a secular state can provide true, lasting tolerance.

This has yet to be proven.

As opposed to a religious state?

If we look at history, whatever tensions we may find in the secular democracies in the world, compared to anything else in history they have succeeded in having different religious groups as well as many irreligious people to live together in relative peace and harmony.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 29, 2018, 01:06:19 PM


a secular state can provide true, lasting tolerance.

This has yet to be proven.

As opposed to a religious state?

Nope. Just evaluating the statement on its own merits. I have yet to see a secular state provide true lasting tolerance. Human nature is a stubborn thing and while secularism helps curb some of the in group behavior it doesn't stop it.
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Post by: werecow on January 29, 2018, 01:15:33 PM


a secular state can provide true, lasting tolerance.

This has yet to be proven.

As stated it is not provable because "lasting" is not finite. However I think countries like those of Scandinavia and The Netherlands, with a high degree of secularization (and little by way of political quasi-religions to replace it like one might find in communist countries, for instance) are doing a reasonable albeit imperfect job at creating highly tolerant societies as compared to the rest of the world, and the historical trend towards more secular societies, particularly in Europe, obviously coincides with increasing tolerance over time in those same areas. I think a very strong case can be made for a causal connection, but I'm out of time and also too lazy to do that right now.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 29, 2018, 01:33:57 PM
are doing a reasonable albeit imperfect job at creating highly tolerant societies as compared to the rest of the world,

You are putting some pretty strong caveat on that statement. The Scandinavian countries are better but far from true lasting tolerance. In Norway for instance they still are not real great to groups such as the Sami people. I still think they have an indoctrination program for migrants. Norway has no problem with how you look but they do want you to speak like them and think like them if you plan to move there.

Are secular societies better than non-secular societies on the main. Sure. Will they achieve true and lasting tolerance? I don't think so. I haven't seen it yet.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 29, 2018, 01:38:05 PM
are doing a reasonable albeit imperfect job at creating highly tolerant societies as compared to the rest of the world,

You are putting some pretty strong caveat on that statement. The Scandinavian countries are better but far from true lasting tolerance. In Norway for instance they still are not real great to groups such as the Sami people. I still think they have an indoctrination program for migrants. Norway has no problem with how you look but they do want you to speak like them and think like them if you plan to move there.

Are secular societies better than non-secular societies on the main. Sure. Will they achieve true and lasting tolerance? I don't think so. I haven't seen it yet.

I don't know about how the Sami people are doing in modern Norway, but what "indoctrination program" for migrants do they have? I'm aware of that they have education about Norwegian society and values for new immigrants, but that's not indoctrination, it's education. That's a good thing to have.
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Post by: werecow on January 29, 2018, 07:10:34 PM
are doing a reasonable albeit imperfect job at creating highly tolerant societies as compared to the rest of the world,

You are putting some pretty strong caveat on that statement.

Well, OK, if we're going to criticize wording, the actual statement you quoted said "only a secular state can provide true, lasting tolerance", and you left out the word "only". I think that's a very important word and you shouldn't have left it out, as doing so makes it sound like Quetzalcoatl was saying that a secular state is a sufficient condition for creating a permanent highly tolerant society. I don't think that was the intended meaning behind what he said (please correct me if I'm wrong). Instead, I think the idea was that being a secular state is a necessary but insufficient condition for creating lasting tolerance. That's my take on the matter, anyway.
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Post by: SkeptiQueer on January 30, 2018, 04:00:49 AM
For all the violence of the Abbasid and Umayyad conquests, at least the Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to keep their faith so long as they paid the jizyah.

It's a bit of a mixed bag actually. While Jews generally fared better under Islamic rulers than under European rulers, these lands were not free from persecution of Jews. As in Europe, it very much depended on the temper of the ruler in place. Some rulers, both Muslim and European, were tolerant, whereas others were not. According to traditional Islamic sources, Muhammad did not get along well with the Jews of Arabia, and this colored later Islamic theology.

Treatment of Jews and ohter minorities did not only vary between individual rulers, but also between different kingdoms. The Fatimid Caliphate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimid_Caliphate) was Shiite, yet was tolerant of Sunnis as well as Jews and Christians, and they could be appointed to government posts just as Shiites could. The Almohad Caliphate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almohad_Caliphate) was much less tolerant. The Almohads engaged in forced conversions of Jews and Christians, however as these conversions were not judged to be sincere, so they had to wear identifying clothes.

Quote
Jews in Islamic Countries: The Treatment of Jews (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-treatment-of-jews-in-arab-islamic-countries)

Violence Against Jews

At various times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

Only a secular state can provide true, lasting tolerance.

We all remmeber how tolerant the USSR was to Jewish people.
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Post by: Halleyscomet on January 30, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AIbtQV4.png)
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 30, 2018, 02:31:50 PM
For all the violence of the Abbasid and Umayyad conquests, at least the Muslims allowed Jews and Christians to keep their faith so long as they paid the jizyah.

It's a bit of a mixed bag actually. While Jews generally fared better under Islamic rulers than under European rulers, these lands were not free from persecution of Jews. As in Europe, it very much depended on the temper of the ruler in place. Some rulers, both Muslim and European, were tolerant, whereas others were not. According to traditional Islamic sources, Muhammad did not get along well with the Jews of Arabia, and this colored later Islamic theology.

Treatment of Jews and ohter minorities did not only vary between individual rulers, but also between different kingdoms. The Fatimid Caliphate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimid_Caliphate) was Shiite, yet was tolerant of Sunnis as well as Jews and Christians, and they could be appointed to government posts just as Shiites could. The Almohad Caliphate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almohad_Caliphate) was much less tolerant. The Almohads engaged in forced conversions of Jews and Christians, however as these conversions were not judged to be sincere, so they had to wear identifying clothes.

Quote
Jews in Islamic Countries: The Treatment of Jews (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-treatment-of-jews-in-arab-islamic-countries)

Violence Against Jews

At various times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).

Only a secular state can provide true, lasting tolerance.

We all remmeber how tolerant the USSR was to Jewish people.

The USSR was not a secular state, it was a state atheism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism) state that actively tried to suppress religion within its borders. A secular state is simply neutral, it does not profess any religion, nor does it profess atheism. The institutions of a secular state are neutral on religion, and only concerned with worldly matters. Religion is left to the private lives of the individuals who wish to practice it.
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Post by: Mr. Beagle on January 30, 2018, 04:13:46 PM
I always state is as "Religion is an ideology, by not all ideologies are religions." It wasn't so much the atheism of the state as it was the combination of "true believers" in economic socialism with totalitarian enforcement that felt threatened by overtly religious people.
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Post by: CarbShark on January 30, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
I always state is as "Religion is an ideology, by not all ideologies are religions." It wasn't so much the atheism of the state as it was the combination of "true believers" in economic socialism with totalitarian enforcement that felt threatened by overtly religious people.

That plus the Communism, which was specifically an atheist ideology, which led to most religions being legally banned.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 30, 2018, 04:19:51 PM
I always state is as "Religion is an ideology, by not all ideologies are religions." It wasn't so much the atheism of the state as it was the combination of "true believers" in economic socialism with totalitarian enforcement that felt threatened by overtly religious people.

That's absolutely correct, and I did not at all mean that atheism led to Soviet atrocities. What I meant is that the Soviet Union officially promoted atheism (along with a lot of other stuff of course, not necessarily connected to atheism), which a secular state per definition would not do.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 30, 2018, 04:40:03 PM
I always state is as "Religion is an ideology, by not all ideologies are religions." It wasn't so much the atheism of the state as it was the combination of "true believers" in economic socialism with totalitarian enforcement that felt threatened by overtly religious people.

That plus the Communism, which was specifically an atheist ideology, which led to most religions being legally banned.
And Stalinism, where Dzugashvili had no trouble opening the churches and returning the icons in the fall of 1941. The people flocked back to the churches, as much in fear of the Nazis as love for a god that killed a whole planet.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 31, 2018, 01:54:23 PM
As Noisy points out the USSR/Russia had no problem with religions when they supported the leader and his policies.

I think we are running the risk of, "no true secular state" where you create a tautological definition. "A true secular state is highly tolerant therefor it is highly tolerant."
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Post by: SkeptiQueer on January 31, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
As Noisy points out the USSR/Russia had no problem with religions when they supported the leader and his policies.

I think we are running the risk of, "no true secular state" where you create a tautological definition. "A true secular state is highly tolerant therefor it is highly tolerant."
That's more or less my position. There are tolerant religious states and tolerant secular states. A secular state is more likely to be tolerant historically, but that's no guarantee that you don't end up with the YouTube secularists in charge.



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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 31, 2018, 02:26:22 PM
Again, the USSR was not a secular state!
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Post by: John Albert on January 31, 2018, 03:25:37 PM
Again, the USSR was not a secular state!

It was a secular state, but it had its own faith-based belief system. 
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 31, 2018, 03:29:48 PM
The problem with the USSR and Soviet Russia is that it was all over the board depending on the situation. Sometimes it was state atheism in policy and practice, at times it claimed to be state atheism but was tolerant of select religions, and everything in between. What it never was was tolerant of all religions.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 31, 2018, 03:45:46 PM
Again, the USSR was not a secular state!

It was a secular state, but it had its own faith-based belief system.

No, it was not a secular state:

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Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institution and religious dignitaries (the attainment of such is termed secularity). One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs or practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism

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The separation of religion and state is the foundation of secularism. It ensures religious groups don't interfere in affairs of state, and the state doesn't interfere in religious affairs.

...

Secularism seeks to ensure and protect freedom of religious belief and practice for all citizens. Secularists want freedoms of thought and conscience to apply equally to all – believers and non-believers alike. They do not wish to curtail religious freedoms.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/what-is-secularism.html

The Soviet Union fell short of these ideals. It persecuted religious people and on occasion tried to stamp out religious beliefs. A secular state doesn't do that, it leaves religious matters to the private citizens to make up their own minds about. The citizens' private beliefs are then no matter of the state.

Ok, yes the Soviet authorities made use of religion in the war effort of WW2 when its fate hanged in the balance. But this is not secular either, and it is not representative of the official stance of religion for most of its existence.

It's also important to distinguish between the enforced atheism in places like the Soviet Union and some other states, and the organic atheism you can find in liberal democracies. The latter is beautiful thing and good for society, the former is an ugly expression of anti-democratic regimes.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 31, 2018, 04:02:11 PM


It's also important to distinguish between the enforced atheism in places like the Soviet Union and some other states, and the organic atheism you can find in liberal democracies. The latter is beautiful thing and good for society,

It really depends. Just because someone or a population does not hold religious beliefs does not mean that they are skeptical or aren't full of bad idealism.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 31, 2018, 04:19:32 PM


It's also important to distinguish between the enforced atheism in places like the Soviet Union and some other states, and the organic atheism you can find in liberal democracies. The latter is beautiful thing and good for society,

It really depends. Just because someone or a population does not hold religious beliefs does not mean that they are skeptical or aren't full of bad idealism.

Absolutely. But everythin else being equal, I'd think that is the case.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 31, 2018, 04:24:24 PM
agreed.
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Post by: John Albert on February 05, 2018, 09:26:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjPSR7Nla0U
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Post by: werecow on February 06, 2018, 05:16:58 AM
Well, that's definitely preferable to the old way of getting them up that high.
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Post by: Morvis13 on February 09, 2018, 10:20:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7L0lemM.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Morvis13 on February 10, 2018, 07:22:20 PM
(https://i.redd.it/6mebf8g9kdf01.jpg)
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Post by: Pdb on February 16, 2018, 06:17:23 AM
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27973013_391627941264816_500629568746897749_n.jpg?oh=52883ecaa77b6b1fb9465c2f2e1243d9&oe=5B1EADE1)
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Post by: SkeptiQueer on February 16, 2018, 08:21:20 AM
Oh good, reruns.
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Post by: Morvis13 on February 20, 2018, 10:00:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6UB0Xfq.jpg)
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Post by: John Albert on February 24, 2018, 08:13:39 PM
What a hypocrite.

(https://i.imgur.com/s0AhQlG.jpg)
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Post by: DevoutCatalyst on February 24, 2018, 08:23:58 PM
He's an atheist now.

What a hypocrite.

(https://i.imgur.com/s0AhQlG.jpg)
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Post by: Pdb on March 07, 2018, 05:04:57 AM
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28059396_956795727818350_4974072165386168572_n.jpg?oh=919ba6d7e0f261d706123d8500c797c0&oe=5B41D114)
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Post by: Tassie Dave on March 07, 2018, 01:56:19 PM
I don't get it  ???
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Post by: Friendly Angel on March 07, 2018, 02:02:13 PM
I don't get it  ???

LOL, keep thinking.  It's a current topic.
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Post by: Morvis13 on March 07, 2018, 02:21:26 PM
I don't get it  ???

LOL, keep thinking.  It's a current topic.

Maybe he doesn't have the capacitance.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on March 07, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
I don't get it  ???

LOL, keep thinking.  It's a current topic.

Maybe he doesn't have the capacitance.

I'm just a thick Tasmanian miner  ;)

I got that it was something to do with electricity. resistance. ohm. resistor.

But I can't link that to anything religious.
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Post by: CarbShark on March 07, 2018, 02:26:04 PM
I don't get it  ???

LOL, keep thinking.  It's a current topic.

Maybe he doesn't have the capacitance.

I'm just a thick Tasmanian miner  ;)

I got that it was something to do with electricity. resistance. ohm. resistor.

But I can't link that to anything religious.

The democratic opposition to Donald Trump labeled itself the Resistance.

This stupid meme imagines them as a religious cult.

It belongs more in politics than religion, but I guess that's supposed to be part of the joke.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on March 07, 2018, 02:27:42 PM
I don't get it  ???

LOL, keep thinking.  It's a current topic.

Maybe he doesn't have the capacitance.

I'm just a thick Tasmanian miner  ;)

I got that it was something to do with electricity. resistance. ohm. resistor.

But I can't link that to anything religious.

The democratic opposition to Donald Trump labeled itself the Resistance.

This stupid meme imagines them as a religious cult.

It belongs more in politics than religion, but I guess that's supposed to be part of the joke.


American Politics. no wonder I didn't get it.  ;D
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on March 07, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
I don't get it  ???

LOL, keep thinking.  It's a current topic.

Maybe he doesn't have the capacitance.

I'm just a thick Tasmanian miner  ;)

I got that it was something to do with electricity. resistance. ohm. resistor.

But I can't link that to anything religious.

The democratic opposition to Donald Trump labeled itself the Resistance.

This stupid meme imagines them as a religious cult.

It belongs more in politics than religion, but I guess that's supposed to be part of the joke.
And the image is at least ten years old.
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Post by: werecow on March 07, 2018, 08:30:41 PM
I don't get it  ???

LOL, keep thinking.  It's a current topic.

Maybe he doesn't have the capacitance.

I'm just a thick Tasmanian miner  ;)

I got that it was something to do with electricity. resistance. ohm. resistor.

But I can't link that to anything religious.

This jouled help: "Ohm" (Aum or Om (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om)) is a sacred sound in the Dharmic religions.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on March 08, 2018, 01:22:21 AM
I don't get it  ???

LOL, keep thinking.  It's a current topic.

Maybe he doesn't have the capacitance.

I'm just a thick Tasmanian miner  ;)

I got that it was something to do with electricity. resistance. ohm. resistor.

But I can't link that to anything religious.

This jouled help: "Ohm" (Aum or Om (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Om)) is a sacred sound in the Dharmic religions.

Silly me for thinking a cartoon about religion, in a "Religion.jpg" thread, in the "Religion/Philosophy" section, would be about Religion  ;)

Of course it would be about politics  ;D

Though given who posted it, I should have been thinking right-wing politics.
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Post by: Pdb on March 08, 2018, 03:22:10 AM
THE Om was just a joke about buddhists like the hot dog salesman make me one with everything, nothing political.
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Post by: Morvis13 on March 10, 2018, 06:27:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qRMrO5A.jpg)
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Post by: Pdb on March 17, 2018, 05:44:12 AM
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29177669_1620534101401202_8483920554634079285_n.jpg?oh=f41873f4439b5ae9e424202fb8e97112&oe=5B3BB33A)
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Post by: PANTS! on March 21, 2018, 10:57:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qRMrO5A.jpg)

Ewwwwww.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 24, 2018, 09:07:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZE0tcYWAAEMXib.jpg)
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Post by: aecoleman1 on March 30, 2018, 03:07:29 PM
This one is about 12MB, so I'll leave it behind a link. (http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree_2_0.png) It's a cladogram of religions.

is it just me or can you actually not read that when you zoom in.  It's too low quality.

Here is a much higher quality version (and a more complete version). I found it easier to use with the image copied to my computer.

http://img.000024.org/religions_tree/religions_tree.png

Thanks so much!
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Post by: John Albert on March 30, 2018, 11:53:44 PM
(http://5b0988e595225.cdn.sohucs.com/images/20171210/66945873d4394fab859996743cf12084.gif)
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Post by: John Albert on April 02, 2018, 12:25:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/iMGEiXo.jpg)
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Post by: PANTS! on April 02, 2018, 07:49:08 AM
I'd folow me so fucking hard.
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Post by: Fast Eddie B on April 02, 2018, 07:57:24 AM
Had to be reminded of this...

https://youtu.be/ptu17q8N-Mo (https://youtu.be/ptu17q8N-Mo)
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Post by: PANTS! on April 02, 2018, 08:08:09 AM
Crowd in unison: "Yes we're all different."

Guy in Back: "Um, I'm not."

Love that scene.
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Post by: Morvis13 on April 04, 2018, 08:47:59 PM
(https://i.redd.it/wd1crki58sp01.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on April 05, 2018, 05:13:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CBRyECJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on April 09, 2018, 01:18:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uVvYJeG.jpg)
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Post by: Ron Obvious on April 09, 2018, 07:52:31 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uVvYJeG.jpg)

Hey, he thinks it's happened before!  This would be a good time to introduce him to the concept of Ocham's Razor.  ;D
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 09, 2018, 08:06:00 AM
Or the concept of infidelity in marriage.  ::)
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Post by: 2397 on April 09, 2018, 08:12:26 AM
Or a paternity test.

Never know, might discover God's DNA.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 09, 2018, 09:06:08 AM
Or a paternity test.

Never know, might discover God's DNA.
Or confirm Mary was a bullshitter.
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Post by: Mr. Beagle on April 09, 2018, 12:13:07 PM
Or a paternity test.

Never know, might discover God's DNA.
Or confirm Mary was a bullshitter.
The are reputable scholars who have floated the conjecture that Jesus's father was a Roman legionnaire in Nazareth. This would account for Jesus "standing out" in a crowd. The Virgin birth story is apparently quite old, and scholars home in on stories that might be otherwise harmful to a notable, as these stories have "legs" in history. There are apparently lots of stories of legionnaire rape of locals in that era.

"His father was God," would play better than, "You know that Jesus was a bastard child." It's a probability thing. If there was a Jesus and if the stories of his mother's pregnancy at marriage were true (big ifs but not unreasonable), then you ask, "What is the most likely reason a young girl was pregnant in Roman-occupied Palestine?"
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Post by: Fast Eddie B on April 09, 2018, 01:05:11 PM
The are reputable scholars who have floated the conjecture that Jesus's father was a Roman legionnaire in Nazareth.

Pretty sure that was Brian, not Jesus.
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Post by: Desert Fox on April 09, 2018, 01:14:32 PM
There are a number of births without fathers in legend so nothing really special there.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 09, 2018, 01:39:48 PM
I don't recall Legionnaires being taller than other people on average.
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Post by: Halleyscomet on April 09, 2018, 01:41:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gt3023s.jpg)
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Post by: Mr. Beagle on April 09, 2018, 01:43:36 PM
There are a number of births without fathers in legend so nothing really special there.

And possibly for similar reasons. My sister, an accomplished genealogist, found a mid-1830s Swedish church baptismal record of a great-great-something, dated three days after his parents' wedding at the same church. They had very short gestational periods in those days.

I think a lot of myths, even the Greek ones, mostly have a shred of historical truth to them, just modified with each generation. We rarely really invent new stories, rather like Star Wars we repurpose and re-imagine the old ones.
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Post by: Mr. Beagle on April 09, 2018, 01:45:20 PM
I don't recall Legionnaires being taller than other people on average.

My thought was more Barack Obama - "something different I can't put my finger on." We are creatures of our norms, and roused when someone goes outside on either end.
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Post by: Morvis13 on April 18, 2018, 08:56:52 PM
(https://i.redd.it/asq1bgtgyns01.jpg)
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 19, 2018, 03:20:38 AM
Mildly NSFW:
(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 19, 2018, 03:59:27 AM
(http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-content/uploads/say.png)

(http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-content/uploads/forms.png)
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Post by: Desert Fox on May 17, 2018, 01:08:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMbZp2P7wn4
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Morvis13 on May 19, 2018, 04:07:46 PM
(https://i.redd.it/qcf2evhynoy01.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on June 03, 2018, 06:30:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Fdemfjc.jpg)
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Post by: Henning on June 04, 2018, 12:06:16 AM
(click to show/hide)

Definitely a WTF YL...
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Post by: 2397 on June 04, 2018, 04:20:56 AM
Or a paternity test.

Never know, might discover God's DNA.
Or confirm Mary was a bullshitter.
The are reputable scholars who have floated the conjecture that Jesus's father was a Roman legionnaire in Nazareth. This would account for Jesus "standing out" in a crowd. The Virgin birth story is apparently quite old, and scholars home in on stories that might be otherwise harmful to a notable, as these stories have "legs" in history. There are apparently lots of stories of legionnaire rape of locals in that era.

Did he stand out? Judas had to mark him for the soldiers. Besides that, I don't think the Gospels describe anything about his appearance other than clothing.

Quote
"His father was God," would play better than, "You know that Jesus was a bastard child." It's a probability thing. If there was a Jesus and if the stories of his mother's pregnancy at marriage were true (big ifs but not unreasonable), then you ask, "What is the most likely reason a young girl was pregnant in Roman-occupied Palestine?"

Any traditional genetic source of impregnation would do.
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Post by: Pdb on June 04, 2018, 05:25:25 AM
Or a paternity test.

Never know, might discover God's DNA.
Or confirm Mary was a bullshitter.
The are reputable scholars who have floated the conjecture that Jesus's father was a Roman legionnaire in Nazareth. This would account for Jesus "standing out" in a crowd. The Virgin birth story is apparently quite old, and scholars home in on stories that might be otherwise harmful to a notable, as these stories have "legs" in history. There are apparently lots of stories of legionnaire rape of locals in that era.

Did he stand out? Judas had to mark him for the soldiers. Besides that, I don't think the Gospels describe anything about his appearance other than clothing.

Quote
"His father was God," would play better than, "You know that Jesus was a bastard child." It's a probability thing. If there was a Jesus and if the stories of his mother's pregnancy at marriage were true (big ifs but not unreasonable), then you ask, "What is the most likely reason a young girl was pregnant in Roman-occupied Palestine?"

Any traditional genetic source of impregnation would do.

I think this is just the current MeToo culture taking over history and religion. History usually says more about the time of the historian than the past.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeXbM_iXcAApnCL?format=jpg)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on June 04, 2018, 05:59:27 AM
I doubt the legionnaire story, based on the fact, as I understand it, that Nazareth didn't exist at the time.
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Post by: John Albert on June 12, 2018, 05:01:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/oLNGB4w.jpg)

Unclear on the concept...
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Post by: John Albert on June 16, 2018, 06:32:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IkGUw37.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on July 01, 2018, 06:35:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4uKLS14.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: werecow on July 01, 2018, 08:10:30 AM
(http://imgur.com/RQeGaa3.jpg)

Edit:

(https://i.imgur.com/Eig27RB.jpg)
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Post by: John Albert on August 05, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/LJlSZGu.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 05, 2018, 09:26:09 PM
"Nude Nuns with Big Guns." 10/10 on the boobie scale.
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Post by: The Latinist on August 05, 2018, 10:40:34 PM
Could you please stop being so crass?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Morvis13 on August 05, 2018, 10:41:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4ZNYm6F.gif)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 06, 2018, 06:17:25 AM
Could you please stop being so crass?
How would that work?
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Morvis13 on August 19, 2018, 04:19:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YrVlvUC.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Morvis13 on August 23, 2018, 10:11:02 PM
(https://i.redd.it/0mf6k2kv4xh11.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Morvis13 on September 06, 2018, 10:27:24 PM
(https://i.redd.it/y3cwtbewwpk11.png)
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Post by: Shibboleth on September 07, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
(https://i.redd.it/y3cwtbewwpk11.png)

How do I know if it is bacon and not just pork? What about turkey bacon? Is that real bacon? I am just saying that they could be worshiping false bacon.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 07, 2018, 02:34:04 PM
(https://i.redd.it/y3cwtbewwpk11.png)

How do I know if it is bacon and not just pork? What about turkey bacon? Is that real bacon? I am just saying that they could be worshiping false bacon.
You'll never get to Kevin worshipping false Bacon.
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Post by: DevoutCatalyst on September 07, 2018, 02:52:34 PM
Bacon is dead.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Francis_Bacon%2C_Viscount_St_Alban_from_NPG_%282%29.jpg/1024px-Francis_Bacon%2C_Viscount_St_Alban_from_NPG_%282%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Captain Video on September 07, 2018, 02:56:10 PM
(https://i.redd.it/y3cwtbewwpk11.png)

How do I know if it is bacon and not just pork? What about turkey bacon? Is that real bacon? I am just saying that they could be worshiping false bacon.

If Bacon is god certainly so called "turkey (not) bacon" would be Satan or perhaps this stuff is.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4jaZ-2mxyhQ/maxresdefault.jpg)

Bacon that is not cured is Pork belly (or back cuts which is only acceptable if you are not in the US)

"Streak o lean" (salt pork), Fat back and Pancetta would also be acceptable as "bacon" but should probably be considered nondenominational   >:D
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on September 11, 2018, 03:41:42 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dm0z5t6WwAAQ_Mp.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Morvis13 on September 12, 2018, 09:18:03 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ev7xhpzxlwl11.jpg)
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Post by: werecow on September 12, 2018, 11:11:16 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ev7xhpzxlwl11.jpg)

I kind of get how being a creationist must be awesome. Everything is a mystery and you're basically just kind of doing uninformed pub philosophy without the alcohol or the scientifically literate peers. It must be an awesome feeling to come up with these amazing explanations for humanity's biggest questions.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on September 13, 2018, 07:31:24 PM
Overview of Stoicism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5897dMWJiSM
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Post by: werecow on September 14, 2018, 02:55:22 PM
That's 60439 jpgs for the price of one.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on October 03, 2018, 06:39:22 PM
This is really great:
https://twitter.com/RSBukesM/status/1043644258241134593

It's an edited 'Peterson vs Peterson' debate which nails 'toxic inner monologue.'  And who he isn't key to the humor either, if you were worried about that.
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Post by: stands2reason on October 04, 2018, 04:07:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YrVlvUC.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcb4pu4ruak
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Post by: brilligtove on October 08, 2018, 09:40:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/n6ywGPX.jpg)
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Post by: 2397 on October 09, 2018, 03:32:43 AM
Maybe the rest had worn off.
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Post by: Shibboleth on October 09, 2018, 12:02:19 PM
My guess is that the plus stands for "and" or a conjunctive.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on October 09, 2018, 12:31:21 PM
My guess is that the plus stands for "and" or a conjunctive.
Common shorthand for "and" in the US.
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Post by: 2397 on October 09, 2018, 01:43:59 PM
Although that still means God is a separate entity from Truth.
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Post by: Shibboleth on October 09, 2018, 02:17:52 PM
Although that still means God is a separate entity from Truth.

No it would mean that god couldn't be truth alone. He is a conjunction of Truth and Life. Both have to be true for god to be true.

T|T|T
T|F|F
F|T|F
F|F|F




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Post by: stands2reason on October 10, 2018, 12:16:55 PM
Although that still means God is a separate entity from Truth.

No it would mean that god couldn't be truth alone. He is a conjunction of Truth and Life. Both have to be true for god to be true.

T|T|T
T|F|F
F|T|F
F|F|F

T AND G -> L
!L -> !(T AND G) [contrapositive]
!L = !T OR !G [DeMorgan's Law]

"Death (lack of life) implies lack of Truth or lack of God."

with discrete math Unicode symbols:

T Λ G → L
¬L → ¬(T Λ G) [contrapositive]
¬L → ¬T V ¬G [DeMorgan's Law]
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Post by: Shibboleth on October 10, 2018, 02:01:58 PM
Fair enough. So if no life existed or no truth existed there would be no God.
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Post by: stands2reason on October 10, 2018, 05:03:20 PM
Fair enough. So if no life existed or no truth existed there would be [or] no God [existed].

FIX'D. Hint: look at which two boolean variables are on the same side of the implication arrow.

Now of course the next step is substituting L (Life) for the constant value True, if we wanted to simplify the statement for our universe where we know Life exists.
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Post by: Shibboleth on October 11, 2018, 12:31:03 PM
Fair enough. So if no life existed or no truth existed there would be [or] no God [existed].

FIX'D. Hint: look at which two boolean variables are on the same side of the implication arrow.

Now of course the next step is substituting L (Life) for the constant value True, if we wanted to simplify the statement for our universe where we know Life exists.

Thank you. I haven't heard "DeMorgan's Law" in maybe 15 years. Brings back fond memories of my University years.
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Post by: arthwollipot on October 17, 2018, 09:34:26 PM
Fair enough. So if no life existed or no truth existed there would be [or] no God [existed].

FIX'D. Hint: look at which two boolean variables are on the same side of the implication arrow.

Now of course the next step is substituting L (Life) for the constant value True, if we wanted to simplify the statement for our universe where we know Life exists.

Thank you. I haven't heard "DeMorgan's Law" in maybe 15 years. Brings back fond memories of my University years.

I'm going to have to read Gödel, Escher, Bach again to understand this.
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Post by: stands2reason on October 28, 2018, 10:09:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NiqWvee.jpg)

https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=2067653

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on November 04, 2018, 08:10:57 AM
I found the below picture on Facebook. It is from Iran. The country is suffering from significant teacher strikes. On the image, the school girls have taken off their hijabs and give the finger to a sign saying "In the name of God, the merciful". They do it in order to show solidarity to the striking teachers, and to protest against the compulsion of wearing hijab.

(https://scontent.farn1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44351689_10156536572706226_5196851277870399488_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.farn1-1.fna&oh=42864911bda2b0128b19d1829f4329d2&oe=5C453298)

Iran has a large young population (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iran). If these girls are in any way representative for the young(ish) as whole in that country, the future looks bright.
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Post by: werecow on November 04, 2018, 10:10:22 AM
I found the below picture on Facebook. It is from Iran. The country is suffering from significant teacher strikes. On the image, the school girls have taken off their hijabs and give the finger to a sign saying "In the name of God, the merciful". They do it in order to show solidarity to the striking teachers, and to protest against the compulsion of wearing hijab.

(https://scontent.farn1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44351689_10156536572706226_5196851277870399488_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.farn1-1.fna&oh=42864911bda2b0128b19d1829f4329d2&oe=5C453298)

Iran has a large young population (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iran). If these girls are in any way representative for the young(ish) as whole in that country, the future looks bright.

My sister visited Iran a few years back and one of my new friends is from there. From what I gather, that is representative of the youth in Tehran, but not so much the people in smaller towns, who tend to be much more conservative (even the youth). But of course it's kind of hard to be sure seeing as coming out as anti-establishment can get you killed.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on November 05, 2018, 03:37:03 PM
That makes sense. That picture provides some hope for the future.
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Post by: Shibboleth on November 06, 2018, 10:53:39 AM
If you read Persepolis you can easily see this is nothing new. Not only the youth but a large population in Iran do not like the way things are run but they simply do not have the power. I was surprised that during the 80's most people in Iran were very pro-Western culture.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on November 06, 2018, 11:44:41 AM
Not to be that guy, but a slight correction is that it should be the 70s. The revolution took place in 1979.

And I think you are definitely right that there is a broad discontent with the various socially conservative, restrictive, religious rules. The My Stealthy Freedom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Stealthy_Freedom) movement is an indicator of that.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on November 06, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
(https://imgix.bustle.com/rehost/2016/9/13/b99a82e6-e377-4156-b18f-bf451b299f23.jpg?w=970&h=582&fit=crop&crop=faces&auto=format&q=70)
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Post by: Shibboleth on November 06, 2018, 12:46:21 PM
Not to be that guy, but a slight correction is that it should be the 70s. The revolution took place in 1979.

And I think you are definitely right that there is a broad discontent with the various socially conservative, restrictive, religious rules. The My Stealthy Freedom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Stealthy_Freedom) movement is an indicator of that.

If you are talking to me the person that wrote Persepolis was writing about her childhood in Iran in the 80's.
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Post by: Desert Fox on November 15, 2018, 07:16:00 PM
GOP Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2L-R8NgrA
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Post by: stands2reason on November 15, 2018, 08:31:20 PM
GOP Jesus
(click to show/hide)

Not even Jesus can save the GOP at this point.
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Post by: gebobs on November 20, 2018, 11:51:57 AM
GOP Jesus
(click to show/hide)

Not even Jesus can save the GOP at this point.

I thought the same after the '12 election. I thought for sure they would have to move left to fill the ranks of their dying base. But they moved right and won. I think we're all done predicting after that crap.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on November 24, 2018, 11:12:51 AM
GOP Jesus
(click to show/hide)

Not even Jesus can save the GOP at this point.

I thought the same after the '12 election. I thought for sure they would have to move left to fill the ranks of their dying base. But they moved right and won. I think we're all done predicting after that crap.
I think the money people realized their grip on the Grim Old Party was going to slip if they didn't buy them the '16 vote.
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Post by: Desert Fox on December 11, 2018, 02:37:44 PM
Sorry, I like religious scandals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws01wpExImo
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Post by: brilligtove on December 19, 2018, 02:34:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4kLHEGX.jpg)
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Post by: brilligtove on December 19, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/H836nYG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LoWWtPG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HXWGju2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UcssvSS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mMzDhMG.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/3FQd2ji.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/3sxWqIR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MqTvvth.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DaW7NkI.jpg)

For more check out https://imgur.com/gallery/BVbu2gg
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Post by: Morvis13 on December 19, 2018, 08:50:35 PM
(https://i.redd.it/cuwkzstpja521.jpg)
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Post by: Shibboleth on December 26, 2018, 04:53:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4kLHEGX.jpg)

What the hell did he use to type this out on and then why did he sign it?
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Post by: brilligtove on December 26, 2018, 10:38:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4kLHEGX.jpg)

What the hell did he use to type this out on and then why did he sign it?

What is so confusing about 'ineffable"?
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Post by: Shibboleth on December 27, 2018, 01:02:19 PM
You've got me there.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on January 04, 2019, 03:20:25 PM
Neat little summary of Kantian philosophy:
https://twitter.com/nbcthegoodplace/status/1080827369647046656
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on January 06, 2019, 08:52:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8MrHFsA.png)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 07, 2019, 06:10:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/8MrHFsA.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/FVyRnXX.jpg)
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Post by: Desert Fox on January 21, 2019, 11:22:40 AM
Expose Christian Schools

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRXQBCKHmY
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Post by: Morvis13 on January 21, 2019, 07:10:54 PM
(https://i.redd.it/6k2dubsglub21.png)
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 26, 2019, 06:11:18 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxrIIN3X0AAgjbn.jpg)

Credit goes to Atheist Republic (https://twitter.com/AtheistRepublic/status/1088402307220455424).
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 28, 2019, 12:44:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxrIIN3X0AAgjbn.jpg)

Credit goes to Atheist Republic (https://twitter.com/AtheistRepublic/status/1088402307220455424).

Well he isn't falling is he? It doesn't say that he keeps us from fell.
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Post by: 2397 on January 28, 2019, 01:26:00 PM
God is dirt.
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Post by: John Albert on January 28, 2019, 02:35:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxrIIN3X0AAgjbn.jpg)

Credit goes to Atheist Republic (https://twitter.com/AtheistRepublic/status/1088402307220455424).

Well he isn't falling is he? It doesn't say that he keeps us from fell.

Right.

I suspect that he didn't even fall at all, and just crouched and laid down in a prone position for a photo op.
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Post by: Shibboleth on January 29, 2019, 11:50:30 AM
My guess is that he was trying to change the letters on the sign but got to exhausted by trying to get over the brick wall around the sign that he had to lay down and take a nap.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on January 29, 2019, 12:30:42 PM
The green wrist band is from a psych ward, I think. (Psych bachelors, we visited a few wards.)
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Post by: John Albert on February 01, 2019, 02:28:56 PM
https://youtu.be/OtBAH1B0dN4
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Post by: Morvis13 on February 01, 2019, 02:52:16 PM
Reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVF_jpHclEU
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Post by: Desert Fox on February 04, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/35269853-ae71-49cd-8615-b6f9640330e0/dcyrsph-9aeedabe-0c6b-4ef0-8fc2-0c92304114d6.jpg)
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Post by: Morvis13 on February 04, 2019, 09:20:14 PM
(https://i.redd.it/rtcc69jca4e21.jpg)
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Post by: brilligtove on February 04, 2019, 11:47:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/F3qSVTo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MpSSZC2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SLEt0nr.jpg)
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 07, 2019, 02:15:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DywDXHSV4AAXzGw.jpg)
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Post by: Morvis13 on February 22, 2019, 10:09:07 PM
(https://i.redd.it/zc4oecd648i21.jpg)
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Post by: Desert Fox on February 25, 2019, 07:05:05 PM
Richard Dawkins interviews an ex Muslim turned atheist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zncB6hngZg
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Post by: Morvis13 on February 25, 2019, 08:25:10 PM
(https://i.redd.it/77rrd58c9qi21.png)
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 01, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
(https://rationalwiki.org/w/images/3/39/Militant_atheist.jpg)
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Post by: John Albert on March 04, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rlg7nA9.jpg)
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Post by: 2397 on March 04, 2019, 12:11:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osB2WPdoXaA
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Post by: John Albert on March 04, 2019, 03:24:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/u7Nmef3.jpg)
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Post by: Morvis13 on March 07, 2019, 10:45:34 PM
(http://www.bromygod.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/bill-nye-029-03022014.png)
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Post by: 2397 on March 08, 2019, 12:11:18 AM
Eat your undead savior.
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Post by: brilligtove on March 08, 2019, 06:29:36 AM
Ex-ca-UZE me. I think you'll find it's:

Eat your undead saviour on a stick.

Do not deny the miracle of the regenerating zombie kebab!
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Post by: werecow on March 10, 2019, 10:02:12 PM
(https://arstechnica.com/civis/download/file.php?id=42205)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on March 11, 2019, 06:35:27 AM
The Slow Loris has them beat.
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Post by: werecow on March 12, 2019, 06:25:11 PM
(https://arstechnica.com/civis/download/file.php?id=42299)
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Post by: 2397 on March 12, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
And otherwise they'd be doing it wrong, unless they're on the antipode of Mecca.
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Post by: brilligtove on March 14, 2019, 10:38:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qUGxiYw.jpg)
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Post by: werecow on March 15, 2019, 08:20:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6XZbYOO.jpg)
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 16, 2019, 12:32:14 AM
(https://i.redd.it/w66a3oj3pcm21.png)
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Post by: The Latinist on March 16, 2019, 01:56:12 AM
I think that the description of the logical positivist stance is quite wrong; a logical positivist would say that the question is meaningless as its answers are unverifiable.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 16, 2019, 07:44:43 AM
(https://i.redd.it/w66a3oj3pcm21.png)

I think many of those are not incompatible with each other.
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Post by: Fast Eddie B on March 16, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
I think that the description of the logical positivist stance is quite wrong; a logical positivist would say that the question is meaningless as its answers are unverifiable.

Excellent point.

I’m also not sure that nihilism implies one can “do anything”, i.e. armed robbery in the pictograph.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on March 16, 2019, 09:32:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qUGxiYw.jpg)
It is! That's why it's called "Yeaster"!
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Post by: Morvis13 on March 17, 2019, 09:04:17 PM
(https://i.redd.it/016w3uoqnqm21.jpg)
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Post by: John Albert on March 18, 2019, 12:23:16 AM
(click to show/hide)

2014 will go down in history as the year of Christian Mime.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on March 18, 2019, 01:31:40 AM
I just watched some Christian mime videos... they're worse than I imagined.
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Post by: Morvis13 on March 18, 2019, 08:00:13 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ci9gsmj8vwm21.jpg)
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Post by: Morvis13 on March 18, 2019, 08:05:28 PM
(https://i.redd.it/g4tf4b1ggvm21.jpg)
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Post by: Shibboleth on March 21, 2019, 12:22:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qUGxiYw.jpg)
It is! That's why it's called "Yeaster"!

The host should be unleavened bread.
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Post by: The Latinist on March 21, 2019, 03:02:06 PM
The host should be unleavened bread.

That is not a universal practice among Christians.
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Post by: The Latinist on March 21, 2019, 03:04:57 PM
The host should be unleavened bread.

That is not a universal practice among Christians.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on March 21, 2019, 03:08:31 PM
(click to show/hide)

2014 will go down in history as the year of Christian Mime.
If they all get buried in the same cemetery would it be a mime field?
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Post by: 2397 on March 21, 2019, 04:40:52 PM
Presumably a mime field would be a bunch of mimes pretending to be moving with the wind, or maybe simulating the creation of a crop circle.

Or Theresa May running through.
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Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on March 21, 2019, 05:34:24 PM
(click to show/hide)

2014 will go down in history as the year of Christian Mime.
If they all get buried in the same cemetery would it be a mime field?

Don't bury...recycle. A mime is a terrible thing to waste.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on March 21, 2019, 07:04:40 PM
(click to show/hide)

2014 will go down in history as the year of Christian Mime.
If they all get buried in the same cemetery would it be a mime field?

Don't bury...recycle. A mime is a terrible thing to waste.
I have enough glass boxes to gen up a biodome.
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Post by: Morvis13 on March 21, 2019, 10:18:26 PM
(click to show/hide)

2014 will go down in history as the year of Christian Mime.
If they all get buried in the same cemetery would it be a mime field?

Don't bury...recycle. A mime is a terrible thing to waste.
I have enough glass boxes to gen up a biodome.

With a 16 million dollar donation I will personally build a mime glass dome for them.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 24, 2019, 10:42:36 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2Ym28HWsAQr-cH.jpg)

Source:
https://twitter.com/AtheistRepublic/status/1109617087872450560
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on March 24, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/PwkcUoI.jpg)
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Post by: arthwollipot on March 24, 2019, 11:33:33 PM
The religious would say that without God, you wouldn't even have a universe in the first place.
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Post by: John Albert on March 25, 2019, 01:31:42 AM
The religious would say that without God, you wouldn't even have a universe in the first place.

And they would be wrong.
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Post by: Desert Fox on March 25, 2019, 01:34:28 AM
The religious would say that without God, you wouldn't even have a universe in the first place.

And they would be wrong.

At least making claims without evidence.
They seem to think though that the universe is evidence of god, yet not realizing that they are just moving back the "mystery" by a notch appearing to think they do not seen to explain where god came from.
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Post by: John Albert on March 25, 2019, 01:44:48 AM
The universe is not evidence of a God, any more than it's evidence for universe creating pixies (https://atheistforums.org/thread-46189.html) or the Great Green Arkleseizure (https://alienencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Green_Arkleseizure).

There's no reason to believe God is any more real than any other fictional being. Hence, I will stick to my opinion that belief in God is wrong until I see evidence to the contrary.
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Post by: Desert Fox on March 25, 2019, 01:46:47 AM
The universe is not evidence of a God, any more than it's evidence for the Great Green Arkleseizure (https://alienencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Green_Arkleseizure).

There's no reason to believe God is any more real than any other fictional being. Hence, I will stick to my opinion that belief in God is wrong until I see evidence to the contrary.

I don't disagree but you are arguing with people who have been taught their whole life that the universe is evidence of god.
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Post by: John Albert on March 25, 2019, 01:47:47 AM
The universe is not evidence of a God, any more than it's evidence for the Great Green Arkleseizure (https://alienencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Green_Arkleseizure).

There's no reason to believe God is any more real than any other fictional being. Hence, I will stick to my opinion that belief in God is wrong until I see evidence to the contrary.

I don't disagree but you are arguing with people who have been taught their whole life that the universe is evidence of god.

Am I arguing with those people?
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Post by: arthwollipot on March 25, 2019, 01:56:54 AM
The religious would say that without God, you wouldn't even have a universe in the first place.

And they would be wrong.

Well, yeah, and there's no God to remove from the universe either. But that's not the point. If the purpose of the image is to make atheists chuckle and pat themselves on the back for being so smart, it's fine. But any religious person who sees that is going to say "Um, no, that's self-evidently wrong, these atheists are so silly".

Am I arguing with those people?

It's up to you. How do you want to use the image?
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Post by: Desert Fox on March 25, 2019, 02:01:25 AM
The universe is not evidence of a God, any more than it's evidence for the Great Green Arkleseizure (https://alienencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Green_Arkleseizure).

There's no reason to believe God is any more real than any other fictional being. Hence, I will stick to my opinion that belief in God is wrong until I see evidence to the contrary.

I don't disagree but you are arguing with people who have been taught their whole life that the universe is evidence of god.

Am I arguing with those people?

Well, did you think you had to convince me?
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Post by: John Albert on March 25, 2019, 02:31:36 AM
The universe is not evidence of a God, any more than it's evidence for the Great Green Arkleseizure (https://alienencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Green_Arkleseizure).

There's no reason to believe God is any more real than any other fictional being. Hence, I will stick to my opinion that belief in God is wrong until I see evidence to the contrary.

I don't disagree but you are arguing with people who have been taught their whole life that the universe is evidence of god.

Am I arguing with those people?

Well, did you think you had to convince me?

Of course not! I assumed you were an atheist, or at the very least a fellow traveler.

My point is, I wasn't arguing with anybody. I'm just expressing my viewpoint on an Internet message board.
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Post by: Desert Fox on March 25, 2019, 02:37:07 AM
The universe is not evidence of a God, any more than it's evidence for the Great Green Arkleseizure (https://alienencyclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Green_Arkleseizure).

There's no reason to believe God is any more real than any other fictional being. Hence, I will stick to my opinion that belief in God is wrong until I see evidence to the contrary.

I don't disagree but you are arguing with people who have been taught their whole life that the universe is evidence of god.

Am I arguing with those people?

Well, did you think you had to convince me?

Of course not! I assumed you were an atheist, or at the very least a fellow traveler.

My point is, I wasn't arguing with anybody. I'm just expressing my viewpoint on an Internet message board.

I wish there was a panacea. . . Some kind of argument that Christians would actually accept.
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Post by: John Albert on March 25, 2019, 02:46:54 AM
I agree, but not just Christianity. I'd like to see all of it just get swept away.
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Post by: Billzbub on March 26, 2019, 04:55:17 PM
The religious would say that without God, you wouldn't even have a universe in the first place.

This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Post by: John Albert on March 27, 2019, 02:43:22 PM
I agree, but not just Christianity. I'd like to see all of it just get swept away.

To clarify, when I say "Christianity" I do not mean the population of Christian people; I mean the belief system itself.
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Post by: werecow on March 31, 2019, 12:43:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xD5P57e.jpg)
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Post by: gebobs on April 03, 2019, 08:42:57 AM
Where did you get that? I wonder if there's an Easter one!
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 03, 2019, 11:20:24 AM
(http://www.jesusandmo.net/wp-content/uploads/claims.png)
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Post by: werecow on April 03, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
Where did you get that?

Just my go-to funny pictures thread on arstechnica. It's one of those never ending threads that I decided to open one day and am slowly working my way through. I'm on page 351 of 403. I think it's been about 2 years since I opened that tab. }|:op

I wonder if there's an Easter one!

You got me there... up until just now I'd never even heard of an easter equivalent of the nativity scene.
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Post by: werecow on April 07, 2019, 09:31:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/I71WA70.jpg?1)
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Post by: werecow on April 10, 2019, 05:17:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EJWYWj9.jpg)
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Post by: seamas on April 12, 2019, 06:04:50 PM
If those sins were actually deadly it would be impossible to explain Trump living past 12.
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Post by: Morvis13 on April 13, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
(https://i.redd.it/hfq7pj6ge4s21.jpg)
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Post by: Morvis13 on April 13, 2019, 09:31:57 PM
(https://i.redd.it/qrqe4rcsm2s21.jpg)
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Post by: gebobs on April 17, 2019, 02:41:32 PM
far more money in Jesus than spreading your legs. And both are tax free. I bet her Social Security statement is a big fat zero. She better find herself a nice sugar daddy. Maybe Creflo Dollar.
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Post by: werecow on April 17, 2019, 02:50:02 PM
far more money in Jesus than spreading your legs. And both are tax free. I bet her Social Security statement is a big fat zero. She better find herself a nice sugar daddy. Maybe Creflo Dollar.

The Lord is her sugar daddy.
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Post by: Fast Eddie B on April 17, 2019, 03:32:39 PM
I thought her fist was the joke!
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Post by: Morvis13 on April 17, 2019, 03:44:54 PM
I thought her fist was the joke!

 :wth:
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Post by: 2397 on April 17, 2019, 03:53:17 PM
Why specify "high-class"?
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Post by: Calinthalus on April 17, 2019, 03:55:46 PM
Why specify "high-class"?
It's all about the Benjamin's baby.
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Post by: werecow on April 17, 2019, 05:13:47 PM
Who is this Benjamin and why is it about his baby?

Also:

(https://i.imgur.com/yfNgtwD.png)
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Post by: wastrel on April 17, 2019, 05:45:59 PM
Who is this Benjamin and why is it about his baby?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Obverse_of_the_series_2009_%24100_Federal_Reserve_Note.jpg)
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Post by: werecow on April 17, 2019, 05:59:48 PM
Who is this Benjamin and why is it about his baby?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Obverse_of_the_series_2009_%24100_Federal_Reserve_Note.jpg)

(http://blog.richmond.edu/writing/files/2014/09/apostrophe-21.jpg)

}|;o)
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 19, 2019, 04:11:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iGxE7Ji.jpg)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 20, 2019, 12:08:18 PM
Led Zeppelin In My Time of Dying - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9lBKVjuNFU
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Post by: John Albert on April 21, 2019, 07:41:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/s9Zpdlv.jpg)
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Post by: werecow on April 21, 2019, 06:14:36 PM
(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/881893423254429697-png__700-59881a67ceca2__700.jpg)
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Post by: brilligtove on April 22, 2019, 04:43:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/FP4OgGW.jpg)
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Post by: Morvis13 on April 23, 2019, 09:40:18 PM
(https://i.redd.it/y20ov351j2u21.jpg)
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Post by: 2397 on April 23, 2019, 11:51:33 PM
What exactly is the point of that? Baptism in general, too, but why would a baptism be any more than a symbolic tap on the head with water? Why would you actively do something to an infant that is in its nature to fear?

And why is there ever a need for someone who's only performing rituals to handle a naked infant?
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Post by: CarbShark on April 24, 2019, 12:15:04 AM
The lord works in mysterious ways


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Post by: arthwollipot on April 24, 2019, 12:41:12 AM
The "original" baptism consisted of full immersion in water (Matthew 3). It is still practised in that way by some churches - that's the kind of baptism I undertook, for example. The dribble-of-water baptism is practised mostly by the Catholic and High Anglican churches.
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Post by: 2397 on April 24, 2019, 12:53:39 AM
The original baptism was of an adult.
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Post by: arthwollipot on April 24, 2019, 12:58:33 AM
The original baptism was of an adult.

Exactly, and that was how it was done in my church. An adult gets to choose to undergo baptism. Infant baptism is not done by the choice of the infant.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 24, 2019, 05:36:48 AM
Just dramaturgy.
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Post by: Calinthalus on April 24, 2019, 06:58:11 AM
Yeah, I was baptized as an adult (well, I was like 16 or 17, but whatever).  We had ceremonies for infants, but I can't remember what we called the ceremony.  There was an anointing with oil on the forehead and prayer.  It was basically for the parents to pray that their child will grow up healthy and come to know god in their time.


Full immersion baptism is supposed to represent a death/rebirth of a new person who has accepted Jesus.  I never understood how the sprinkling represented the same thing.  I never really understood baptism of infants, they haven't accepted table food yet, much less a savior.
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Post by: CarbShark on April 24, 2019, 10:29:30 AM
Accepting Christ is not the point of Catholic baptism. It’s being welcomed into the kingdom of god.

The Catholic equivalent of adult baptism would be catechism and confirmation.


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Post by: John Albert on April 24, 2019, 01:56:10 PM
Confirmation usually happens in the third grade, about age 8.

That's the age at which a person becomes an adult in the "eyes of the Church."
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Post by: Desert Fox on April 24, 2019, 02:19:40 PM
You do want to get them when they are young
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Post by: John Albert on April 24, 2019, 02:30:36 PM
Before that independent thinking begins to kick in.
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Post by: 2397 on April 24, 2019, 02:41:53 PM
I'd like to get rid of the concept that children are a part of religion at all, until they're legal adults who can choose. Let parents bring them with them, as they bring them places in general. But religious organizations shouldn't have the personal details of any children, or have any programs aimed at them. If they provide childcare, it should be required to follow the same standards that any childcare outside of a religion has to.

And if they provide medical services, nationalize them, secularize them, and be done with it. Let the doctors treat their patients based on best practice, not based on whether management thinks that something is a sin.

Pretty much the last time* I went to church was my confirmation. I had to go to church a number of times, read these verses, etc., and my reward for completing the process was not having to do it anymore. No one offered me the choice between church confirmation or humanist confirmation ahead of time, let alone any other alternatives. No one really talked to me about my faith.

*About once a year after that, until I gave up on everything but funerals, after I had been to two baptisms for infant family members in a few months, and got fed up listening to what the adults were saying on behalf of them.
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Post by: seamas on April 25, 2019, 01:19:30 PM
Confirmation usually happens in the third grade, about age 8.

That's the age at which a person becomes an adult in the "eyes of the Church."

The Catholic Church has been all over the place on it, but in the USA the church has put confirmation a bit older than in other places.
It has been roughly age 13 for a long time, and is the last sacrement learned and undertaken in the catechism.

When I was going through Catholic education (I'm 52 now), First Holy communion was in 2nd grade, (about age 7). We did our first penance in 4th grade, and Confirmation in seventh or eighth grade.

I understand in recent times they put penance earlier than communion.
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Post by: DonA on April 25, 2019, 03:05:57 PM
Confirmation usually happens in the third grade, about age 8.

That's the age at which a person becomes an adult in the "eyes of the Church."

The Catholic Church has been all over the place on it, but in the USA the church has put confirmation a bit older than in other places.
It has been roughly age 13 for a long time, and is the last sacrement learned and undertaken in the catechism.

When I was going through Catholic education (I'm 52 now), First Holy communion was in 2nd grade, (about age 7). We did our first penance in 4th grade, and Confirmation in seventh or eighth grade.

I understand in recent times they put penance earlier than communion.

I was also raised Catholic and attended a Catholic school until 8th grade.  I recall going through the various sacraments in the same order and times as seamas described.
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Post by: arthwollipot on April 25, 2019, 11:25:31 PM
Full immersion baptism is supposed to represent a death/rebirth of a new person who has accepted Jesus.  I never understood how the sprinkling represented the same thing.  I never really understood baptism of infants, they haven't accepted table food yet, much less a savior.

It's also about being "washed clean" of one's sins, and is tied to very ancient concepts of running water representing purity.
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Post by: brilligtove on April 26, 2019, 12:01:58 AM
Full immersion baptism is supposed to represent a death/rebirth of a new person who has accepted Jesus.  I never understood how the sprinkling represented the same thing.  I never really understood baptism of infants, they haven't accepted table food yet, much less a savior.

It's also about being "washed clean" of one's sins, and is tied to very ancient concepts of running water representing purity.

On the one hand, I find it fascinating that modern studies show a relationship between physical cleansing and the feeling of moral cleanliness. On the other hand I hear that and think "Fuel for woo fires. Here we go."
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Post by: Desert Fox on April 27, 2019, 03:06:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsMzQA1p0lA
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Post by: John Albert on April 27, 2019, 05:16:36 PM
Confirmation usually happens in the third grade, about age 8.

That's the age at which a person becomes an adult in the "eyes of the Church."

The Catholic Church has been all over the place on it, but in the USA the church has put confirmation a bit older than in other places.
It has been roughly age 13 for a long time, and is the last sacrement learned and undertaken in the catechism.

When I was going through Catholic education (I'm 52 now), First Holy communion was in 2nd grade, (about age 7). We did our first penance in 4th grade, and Confirmation in seventh or eighth grade.

I understand in recent times they put penance earlier than communion.

I was also raised Catholic and attended a Catholic school until 8th grade.  I recall going through the various sacraments in the same order and times as seamas described.

It was roughly the same for me. I made my 1st communion in third grade, first confession in fourth grade, and confirmation in sixth grade.

But these days confirmation age appears to be trending much younger (https://www.ncronline.org/news/views-conflict-what-age-confirm) than when we were kids.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 27, 2019, 05:39:00 PM
Confirmation usually happens in the third grade, about age 8.

That's the age at which a person becomes an adult in the "eyes of the Church."
So, everything's "consensual" from then on?  >:(
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on April 27, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
Confirmation usually happens in the third grade, about age 8.

That's the age at which a person becomes an adult in the "eyes of the Church."

Is that specific to Catholicism?

Over here, the age for confirmation (Church of Sweden, not Catholic) is typically around 14 or 15.

I am happy to report that over the past decade or so, confirmations have been in strong decline, meaning youths choose not to be confirmed.
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Post by: John Albert on April 28, 2019, 06:12:37 PM
Is that specific to Catholicism?

That's how I intended it, yes.

I don't know how other churches handle confirmation.
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Post by: The Latinist on April 28, 2019, 09:23:13 PM
A little research suggests to me that the average age at confirmation in the Catholic Church is 14, which agrees with my memory of when my Catholic friends were confirmed. I am certain, for instance, that my best friend in high school was in 9th grade when he was confirmed.
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Post by: John Albert on April 29, 2019, 01:49:19 AM
A little research suggests to me that the average age at confirmation in the Catholic Church is 14, which agrees with my memory of when my Catholic friends were confirmed. I am certain, for instance, that my best friend in high school was in 9th grade when he was confirmed.

I was confirmed in the 6th grade. The article I posted says there's no universal standard and suggests that nowadays many diocese are confirming kids at a much younger age.
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Post by: John Albert on April 29, 2019, 04:52:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT-LYIrPego
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Post by: 2397 on April 29, 2019, 05:06:38 AM
In Norway, confirmation was originally something that everyone had to go through to finish their education, or be punished, when Norway was a Danish theocracy. And only became voluntary in 1912.

At some point it became standardized to the year you turn 15, in the spring. Currently 15 is the minimum age that you can choose your own religious membership, a.k.a. the age of majority for religion. The confirmation process starts in the year before the year you turn 15. Meaning that you're not really considered able to make your own choice until it's too late to make it.

I'd change that to 18 and also make 18 the minimum age for membership. As of now, the vast majority of members in the former state church became members at age 0, and remain members because they haven't taken any decisions about their membership after they gained the right to.
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Post by: John Albert on April 29, 2019, 05:37:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/GXyWgzT.jpg)
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Post by: 2397 on April 29, 2019, 07:15:10 AM
While others pressure poor and sick congregants into giving everything they possibly can to the church, just so that God can carry out the plan he was going to carry out anyway.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 29, 2019, 07:33:20 AM
IIRC the Vatican has SEVEN art galleries.
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Post by: The Latinist on April 29, 2019, 10:22:26 AM
A little research suggests to me that the average age at confirmation in the Catholic Church is 14, which agrees with my memory of when my Catholic friends were confirmed. I am certain, for instance, that my best friend in high school was in 9th grade when he was confirmed.

I was confirmed in the 6th grade. The article I posted says there's no universal standard and suggests that nowadays many diocese are confirming kids at a much younger age.

The article you posted suggests that a few diocese have moved the age earlier, while the majority still confirm in middle or high school.  I don’t think the facts justify your claim that confirmation “usually happens in the third grade, about age 8.”
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Post by: gebobs on April 29, 2019, 11:16:11 AM
I was confirmed in 9th grade. I lost my faith within a few years.
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Post by: Awatsjr on April 30, 2019, 02:28:32 AM
I dodged and parried until I was clear of them.
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Post by: John Albert on May 01, 2019, 05:28:35 AM
The article you posted suggests that a few diocese have moved the age earlier, while the majority still confirm in middle or high school.  I don’t think the facts justify your claim that confirmation “usually happens in the third grade, about age 8.”

OK, that's fair. Maybe I've been biased because I have some young relatives who were confirmed in early grade school.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on May 01, 2019, 09:09:00 AM
In Norway, confirmation was originally something that everyone had to go through to finish their education, or be punished, when Norway was a Danish theocracy. And only became voluntary in 1912.

At some point it became standardized to the year you turn 15, in the spring. Currently 15 is the minimum age that you can choose your own religious membership, a.k.a. the age of majority for religion. The confirmation process starts in the year before the year you turn 15. Meaning that you're not really considered able to make your own choice until it's too late to make it.

I'd change that to 18 and also make 18 the minimum age for membership. As of now, the vast majority of members in the former state church became members at age 0, and remain members because they haven't taken any decisions about their membership after they gained the right to.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't confirmation a major event in Norway, an important part of the culture? The Norwegian humanist group even offers secular confirmation for the non-religious, or at least anyone who doesn't want to have a confirmation in church.
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Post by: 2397 on May 01, 2019, 12:06:38 PM
I would say it's just about as important as infant baptism is, which could be very important or not important at all, depending on your perspective.

For some, if not many of the people going through confirmation, the sole highlight is receiving money from family. The amount received of course varies depending on who your family is. I don't think that aspect is worth celebrating as common culture, when it's not that common.

I think it's a good thing that there is a humanist alternative, but it's not enough. Unless you're raised and actively told to make the choice yourself, pressure from family and others is going to limit what you can do, or even what you're aware that you can do.

It would be better if the confirmation process was commonly and culturally presented as a beginning, rather than an end, and it wasn't about committing to a specific ideology. Infant baptism is nothing, might as well not have the child there. It's not about them, and it can't be. But confirmation could be made to be much broader, and about how important it is to make your own choices, rather than about going through with and completing a test that someone else chose for you.
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Post by: John Albert on May 02, 2019, 10:51:41 AM
The Norwegian humanist group even offers secular confirmation for the non-religious, or at least anyone who doesn't want to have a confirmation in church.

Is that kind of "Confirmation" an assertion of immutable faith in some belief system like it is for the Catholics, or is it just a ceremony of passage into adulthood?
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Post by: 2397 on May 02, 2019, 12:09:28 PM
Here's an English language thread on reddit about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Norway/comments/1s4rh8/has_anyone_here_done_the_humanistisk_konfirmasjon/

The bit about pretending to be refugees is very different from what I went through with the church, although I also skipped out on some kind of camping event because it wasn't mandatory. Maybe that was their equivalent.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on May 02, 2019, 04:03:00 PM
The Norwegian humanist group even offers secular confirmation for the non-religious, or at least anyone who doesn't want to have a confirmation in church.

Is that kind of "Confirmation" an assertion of immutable faith in some belief system like it is for the Catholics, or is it just a ceremony of passage into adulthood?

There is no need to write confirmation within quotes, as they actually call it that themselves (Humanistisk konfirmasjon).

Check out 2397:s link, and also what the Norwegian Humanist Association write about their ceremonies, including the confirmation, in English, on their website: Humanist ceremonies (https://human.no/om-oss/english/ceremonies/)

Quote
Confirmation (coming of age)

A Humanist confirmation consists of a course in life stance and ethics, finalized with a formal ceremony. All young people (normally at 14-15 years of age) may choose a Humanist confirmation, regardless of their own or their parents' beliefs.

The confirmation course encourages independent thinking and reflection on ethical issues. The main topics of the course are humanism, human rights and critical thinking. All participants are encouraged to play an active part and take a critical look at their own and others' perspectives.

The course is concluded with a formal ceremony for the participants, with family and friends as guests. The ceremony includes cultural elements, such as music and poetry readings, and a speech addressed to the confirmands. All participants are presented by name and receive a diploma.

As they write, anyone can do it, regardless of belief, and from what I understand, there is no requirement or even expectation that you become a humanist or anything else by going through the ceremony.
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Post by: John Albert on May 03, 2019, 11:52:47 AM
I guess I still don't understand why "Humanist Confirmation" is even a thing. It seems a bit unethical to pressure an adolescent into publicly asserting their commitment to some ideology.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on May 03, 2019, 02:15:58 PM
I totally agree with you. Children and adolescents should be taught skeptical and critical thinking, not commitment to any ideology. As the old adage say, teach them how to think, not what to think.

As for why it is a thing at all, from what I understand it is because confirmation is a big social event in Norwegian culture, and there is pressure from the older generations that the younger should be confirmed. So the humanist confirmation is a non-religious alternative. They have been going on since the 1950s. 2397 might know more.

It would be interesting to see statistics from Norway how large percentages choose Christian confirmation, humanist confirmation, or no confirmation at all.
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Post by: 2397 on May 03, 2019, 04:22:11 PM
I guess I still don't understand why "Humanist Confirmation" is even a thing. It seems a bit unethical to pressure an adolescent into publicly asserting their commitment to some ideology.

Maybe what you're not picturing is how common Christian confirmation has been historically and still is, and how integrated it has been.

It's not something that a minority does that's confined to religious facilities. I had confirmation classes at school, and IIRC it was during school hours, so we were exempt from whatever else was on at the time. Which apparently is still going on in some cases, because here's a 2016 article (https://human.no/politikk-og-debatt/religion-og-livssyn-i-skolen/konfirmasjon-i-skoletiden/) by the humanist association complaining about it. It's not supposed happen anymore, as we're very slowly moving towards being a fully secular society. We had a state church until 2012, when a lot of related laws were changed.

I agree with you, but I wouldn't point to the problem being the ones offering alternatives, as they're emphasizing that you don't have to be a humanist to do humanist confirmation. Without humanist confirmation, there's Church of Norway, Free Church, or Pentecostal, and the last two only have a presence in some locations. In my class it was all Church of Norway (state church at the time) or humanist. In 2015 (https://www.ssb.no/kultur-og-fritid/statistikker/kirke_kostra/aar/2016-05-04), 62% of those turning 15 were confirmed in Church of Norway, a historic low.

18.6% did humanist confirmation in 2018 (https://human.no/nyheter/2018/april/flere-humanistiske-konfirmanter-enn-noen-gang/). There are also since 2006 "holistic" and "academic" confirmations, which I don't know much about, but they are apparently why church confirmation numbers are much lower in Oslo (the share of immigrants is also higher). In Oslo in 2014 (https://www.nrk.no/ostlandssendingen/oslo-konfirmanter-med-mange-tilbud-1.11706887), 32% were confirmed in "the church", implied Church of Norway.

I'm not finding stats on how many don't get confirmed, which is probably because the sources are the entities that perform confirmations, and no one's combined the stats.
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Post by: John Albert on May 03, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Prior to this conversation I'd been completely oblivious that this particular sacrament had become so culturally ingrained in that part of the world.

I guess it's rather typical as a rite of passage, to have a young person make an unequivocal commitment to an approved set of community values. And if religious values are the traditional norm, it's also good that a secular alternative is available.


I agree with you, but I wouldn't point to the problem being the ones offering alternatives

I didn't mean to criticize the point of offering an alternative. If your culture must have something like a Confirmation ceremony, then at least the options should be as unlimited as possible.

But I'm just a bit sour on the whole proposition of expecting a young person to publicly commit to a set ideology, whatever that may be. Even if the ideology that they're pledging right now might seem ideal to their young mind at this point in time, there's also a good chance that the kid might go on to discover a better one at some point in the future. Or an even better scenario would be that they go on to pioneer some new, even better social paradigm.

But my concern is that making such a commitment at such a young age might tend to discourage further philosophical questioning and examination. I feel that's exactly the reason why the Church invented the sacrament in the first place, and why it's not such a good thing.

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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on May 04, 2019, 05:14:53 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Yf9RXKyruf8/T0-zQD5yp5I/AAAAAAAAAYI/M9mIaWrJ9yU/s640/321.gif)
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Post by: arthwollipot on May 06, 2019, 12:36:41 AM
I would say it's just about as important as infant baptism is, which could be very important or not important at all, depending on your perspective.

Confirmation is one of the seven Sacraments of the Catholic Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacraments_of_the_Catholic_Church). They're kind of a big deal. Baptism, Confirmation and the Eucharist are all important to initiate someone into the Church. The other four are Reconciliation and Penance (Confession), Anointing the Sick (Last Rites), Matrimony and Holy Orders. All Catholics are expected to receive these sacraments - although obviously you can't be married and be a priest.
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Post by: Shibboleth on May 06, 2019, 11:27:44 AM
True in the Orthodox Church confirmation happens directly after the baptism.
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Post by: Morvis13 on May 15, 2019, 09:43:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jzYCe18.jpg)
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Post by: arthwollipot on May 15, 2019, 10:02:47 PM
I know I've had this discussion, either here on at The Other Place, about what constitutes a "truck". In Australia you don't call it a truck if you can drive it with a regular Class C driver's license, which covers vehicles up to 4.5 tonnes GVM (~5 tons American).

That there is a truck.
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Post by: CarbShark on May 15, 2019, 10:45:32 PM
That was here. We had the same discussion about knives “you call that a knife?”


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Post by: werecow on May 16, 2019, 08:22:31 AM
That was here. We had the same discussion about knives “you call that a knife?”

(http://newsinstact.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/poza-10.jpg)

Always a bigger "fish".
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Post by: werecow on May 16, 2019, 08:44:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/auVRF3Rm.jpg)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on May 16, 2019, 08:50:43 AM
I know I've had this discussion, either here on at The Other Place, about what constitutes a "truck". In Australia you don't call it a truck if you can drive it with a regular Class C driver's license, which covers vehicles up to 4.5 tonnes GVM (~5 tons American).

That there is a truck.
Ford F-350 Compensator.
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Post by: stands2reason on May 16, 2019, 03:33:11 PM
I know I've had this discussion, either here on at The Other Place, about what constitutes a "truck". In Australia you don't call it a truck if you can drive it with a regular Class C driver's license, which covers vehicles up to 4.5 tonnes GVM (~5 tons American).

That there is a truck.
Ford F-350 Compensator.

What exactly are you compensating for?
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on May 16, 2019, 05:45:12 PM
I know I've had this discussion, either here on at The Other Place, about what constitutes a "truck". In Australia you don't call it a truck if you can drive it with a regular Class C driver's license, which covers vehicles up to 4.5 tonnes GVM (~5 tons American).

That there is a truck.
Ford F-350 Compensator.

What exactly are you compensating for?
I don't own one of those road ragers. Fourteen year old Mazda does fine.
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Post by: werecow on May 18, 2019, 07:39:28 PM
(https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/funniest-tweets-of-the-week-20-photos-14-1.jpg)
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on May 19, 2019, 12:52:05 AM
https://twitter.com/ajzsh/status/1129503332895039488
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on May 19, 2019, 05:17:21 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Beirut_protest.jpg)

From the Laïque Pride (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C3%AFque_Pride) rally in Beirut, Lebanon.

Lebanon has quite an active secular movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_Lebanon) that among other things works against the country's sectarian government framework.
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Post by: The Latinist on May 20, 2019, 01:26:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ajzsh/status/1129503332895039488

Translation (not my own):

Girl: “Why did you come here tonight?”

Boy: “I think it’s going to get a lot better. I think the music is horrible, just horrible.”

G: “What genre?”
B: “Huh??”
G: “What genre?”
B: “Genre? Genre of what?”
G: “What genre of music is playing?”
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on May 30, 2019, 08:39:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kms6pUKfdg

(Somewhat crappy subtitles, but should still be workable.)
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Post by: John Albert on June 02, 2019, 11:12:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GlHIV50.jpg)
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on June 09, 2019, 04:17:25 PM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/cEkx1M9Z-jjF1BqpT-xVaBrSFHbbZpivI-P67tJOftI.jpg?width=933&auto=webp&s=3c27a67e89c873f52b128e150ae1c6219dc87507)
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Post by: werecow on June 13, 2019, 12:30:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EImLvrI.jpg)
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Post by: Morvis13 on June 14, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
(https://i.redd.it/hjb7zxx86e431.jpg)
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Post by: stands2reason on June 14, 2019, 09:16:26 PM
Quote
Authorities in Tennessee are reviewing all pending cases involving a Knox County Sheriff's Office detective after he gave a sermon at his church that called for the government to execute members of the LGBTQ community.

"They are worthy of death," Grayson Fritts said in a June 2 sermon at All Scripture Baptist Church, a small church in Knoxville that he leads.

The church posted the sermon online and then removed it, according to The Washington Post. The video was picked up by the Tennessee Holler, an independent liberal news outlet, and edited into a six-minute clip

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/14/us/tennessee-preacher-cop-lgbtq/index.html

https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1138948972251373569
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Post by: John Albert on June 14, 2019, 11:33:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/boySwfx.jpg)

Any guesses as to what the other 15 questions are?
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Post by: Tassie Dave on June 15, 2019, 12:12:58 AM
Any guesses as to what the other 15 questions are?

Here's 6 of them from the back cover.

(https://i.imgur.com/0W1QkUv.jpg)

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Post by: John Albert on June 15, 2019, 12:50:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/boySwfx.jpg)

Any guesses as to what the other 15 questions are?

Here's 6 of them from the back cover.

(https://i.imgur.com/0W1QkUv.jpg)

SPOILER!
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Post by: Desert Fox on June 15, 2019, 06:37:11 AM
I honestly don't understand why the religious answers, at by Christians, are really better than the answers from non believers. They also generally fall flat if you think about them for any length of time.
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Post by: 2397 on June 15, 2019, 04:47:16 PM
Presumably the point is to stop the children from doubting their parents' religion, rather than to specifically answer the questions.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on June 15, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
Any guesses as to what the other 15 questions are?

Here's 6 of them from the back cover.

SPOILER!

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Fast Eddie B on June 15, 2019, 09:59:40 PM

(click to show/hide)

I think “mysterious ways” is the....

(https://melaniannews.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/get-out-of-jail-free.jpg)
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Post by: Desert Fox on June 15, 2019, 10:05:02 PM
I can be a horrible person, lie and swindle my fellow human being (and believer), have affairs that deeply hurt people, but because of Jesus I am saved.   
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Post by: CarbShark on June 15, 2019, 10:08:41 PM
I can be a horrible person, lie and swindle my fellow human being (and believer), have affairs that deeply hurt people, but because of Jesus I am saved.

So there’s no consequence. It’s just like being an atheist.


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Post by: Desert Fox on June 15, 2019, 10:25:38 PM
I can be a horrible person, lie and swindle my fellow human being (and believer), have affairs that deeply hurt people, but because of Jesus I am saved.

So there’s no consequence. It’s just like being an atheist.

Note that that not all Christians really believe that - Some go with the "Works" passage for example while others try to amalgamate where you need both "Work and Faith." There is this group though that it is just "faith" and that facilitiates some pretty nasty people. 
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Post by: John Albert on June 15, 2019, 10:50:06 PM
I can be a horrible person, lie and swindle my fellow human being (and believer), have affairs that deeply hurt people, but because of Jesus I am saved.

So there’s no consequence. It’s just like being an atheist.

The difference is that we have to deal with the real-life consequences of our actions. We can't just pretend we've been "forgiven" by an imaginary superfriend, and then brush them under the rug.
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Post by: John Albert on June 16, 2019, 03:43:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/syGauAw.jpg)
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Post by: arthwollipot on June 16, 2019, 08:56:00 PM
I can be a horrible person, lie and swindle my fellow human being (and believer), have affairs that deeply hurt people, but because of Jesus I am saved.

So there’s no consequence. It’s just like being an atheist.

Note that that not all Christians really believe that - Some go with the "Works" passage for example while others try to amalgamate where you need both "Work and Faith." There is this group though that it is just "faith" and that facilitiates some pretty nasty people.

You're referring to Protestants. As in, all Christians who aren't Catholic or Orthodox. The faith and works thing was one of Martin Luther's big quarrels.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on June 17, 2019, 03:07:48 AM
I can be a horrible person, lie and swindle my fellow human being (and believer), have affairs that deeply hurt people, but because of Jesus I am saved.

So there’s no consequence. It’s just like being an atheist.

Note that that not all Christians really believe that - Some go with the "Works" passage for example while others try to amalgamate where you need both "Work and Faith." There is this group though that it is just "faith" and that facilitiates some pretty nasty people.

You're referring to Protestants. As in, all Christians who aren't Catholic or Orthodox. The faith and works thing was one of Martin Luther's big quarrels.

There are many Christian faiths that don't fall under Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox.

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies. To name a few.

I'd say all the loony ones, but then again I think they're all loony  ;)
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Post by: arthwollipot on June 17, 2019, 03:55:42 AM
I can be a horrible person, lie and swindle my fellow human being (and believer), have affairs that deeply hurt people, but because of Jesus I am saved.

So there’s no consequence. It’s just like being an atheist.

Note that that not all Christians really believe that - Some go with the "Works" passage for example while others try to amalgamate where you need both "Work and Faith." There is this group though that it is just "faith" and that facilitiates some pretty nasty people.

You're referring to Protestants. As in, all Christians who aren't Catholic or Orthodox. The faith and works thing was one of Martin Luther's big quarrels.

There are many Christian faiths that don't fall under Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox.

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies. To name a few.

I'd say all the loony ones, but then again I think they're all loony  ;)

Yeah. Except for them.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on June 17, 2019, 08:04:58 AM
(https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60617543_1147357018782012_5063968812253052928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQnPRnzE45BRJxNR4QUy3shcKi12qDOzSP4YHQ9JGYCgYXvqwx0fgpZyO-1PmEfiIrQ&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-1.fna&oh=98a3948f8d6149b87ca1a3ad4cd6e2e7&oe=5D8F2A06)
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Post by: The Latinist on June 17, 2019, 08:19:18 AM
I can be a horrible person, lie and swindle my fellow human being (and believer), have affairs that deeply hurt people, but because of Jesus I am saved.

So there’s no consequence. It’s just like being an atheist.

Note that that not all Christians really believe that - Some go with the "Works" passage for example while others try to amalgamate where you need both "Work and Faith." There is this group though that it is just "faith" and that facilitiates some pretty nasty people.

You're referring to Protestants. As in, all Christians who aren't Catholic or Orthodox. The faith and works thing was one of Martin Luther's big quarrels.

There are many Christian faiths that don't fall under Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox.

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies. To name a few.

I'd say all the loony ones, but then again I think they're all loony  ;)

Yeah. Except for them.

I think it’s much more complicated than you’re making it out to be. While Protestant denominations all derive in some way from Luther, there have been hundreds of years of theological development since then and different denominations have different interpretations of and emphasis with regards to faith and works. More than that, sola fide only refers to justification and not to sanctification.  Most Protestant sects teach, with greater or lesser emphasis, that one demonstrates and proves one’s faith through works.  Faith isn’t merely belief that Jesus saves, but actively following the promptings of the Holy Spirit toward righteous action.

I believe that I have also read that, whatever the teachings of their churches, two thirds of Protestants believe that one is saved by both faith and works.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on June 17, 2019, 09:35:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/USwv54z.jpg)

Oh, bother.
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Post by: 2397 on June 17, 2019, 09:43:19 AM
Abraham got it wrong when he tried to kill Isaac, he failed the test. And then all of them are branched off from him (with none of them saying that you actually shouldn't attempt kill your child just because God tells you to, AFAIK).
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Post by: CarbShark on June 17, 2019, 10:25:54 AM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?


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Post by: 2397 on June 17, 2019, 11:03:32 AM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

Regardless of whether someone imagines it out of nothing, or if they're actually talking to whatever God is supposed to be, it's still the wrong thing to do. If God was testing him, either Abraham failed or God failed.
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Post by: Fast Eddie B on June 17, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?


There was a weird little film in 1991 called “The Rapture”, which touched upon some of these themes.
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Post by: John Albert on June 17, 2019, 12:14:05 PM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

A religious one.

(https://i.imgur.com/cZHKToA.jpg)
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Post by: werecow on June 17, 2019, 02:21:09 PM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

A religious one.

(https://i.imgur.com/cZHKToA.jpg)

FSTDT. (https://www.fstdt.com/)
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on June 17, 2019, 03:07:28 PM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

Regardless of whether someone imagines it out of nothing, or if they're actually talking to whatever God is supposed to be, it's still the wrong thing to do. If God was testing him, either Abraham failed or God failed.
Can't blame a figment for one's own failings, now can we?
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Post by: The Latinist on June 17, 2019, 03:29:55 PM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

Regardless of whether someone imagines it out of nothing, or if they're actually talking to whatever God is supposed to be, it's still the wrong thing to do. If God was testing him, either Abraham failed or God failed.

Perhaps God was testing Abraham and Abraham was testing God and both of them passed.
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Post by: Tassie Dave on June 17, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

A religious one.

(https://i.imgur.com/cZHKToA.jpg)

I know we all think Ray Comfort is a religious fuckwit, but even he's not that demented.  ???

Quote
“I noticed an excessive amount of anger towards me today from indignant atheists, who were accusing me of saying “If the Lord commanded me to kill my own children tonight, it would be done by morning.” I never said such a horrible thing, nor would I. Please join me in prayer for the person who wrote this fake post.”

- Ray Comfort

It is a fake meme.

https://atheistforum.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/that-ray-comfort-meme/

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Post by: Desert Fox on June 17, 2019, 04:31:36 PM
Is he, dare I say it, better than his book?
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Post by: CarbShark on June 17, 2019, 04:37:07 PM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

Regardless of whether someone imagines it out of nothing, or if they're actually talking to whatever God is supposed to be, it's still the wrong thing to do. If God was testing him, either Abraham failed or God failed.

Perhaps God was testing Abraham and Abraham was testing God and both of them passed.

Perhaps Abraham wasn't communicating with any kind of god and was hearing voices. From there you can imagine the voices were testing him or he was testing the voices or one or the other failed.

Either way, I hope Abraham got help.  (Oh, wait...)
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Post by: werecow on June 17, 2019, 04:40:17 PM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

A religious one.

(https://i.imgur.com/cZHKToA.jpg)

I know we all think Ray Comfort is a religious fuckwit, but even he's not that demented.  ???

Quote
“I noticed an excessive amount of anger towards me today from indignant atheists, who were accusing me of saying “If the Lord commanded me to kill my own children tonight, it would be done by morning.” I never said such a horrible thing, nor would I. Please join me in prayer for the person who wrote this fake post.”

- Ray Comfort

It is a fake meme.

https://atheistforum.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/that-ray-comfort-meme/

I got poe'd yet again.
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Post by: John Albert on June 18, 2019, 12:33:27 AM
So what kind of twisted mind did Abraham have to imagine that his god wanted him to kill his son?

A religious one.

(https://i.imgur.com/cZHKToA.jpg)

I know we all think Ray Comfort is a religious fuckwit, but even he's not that demented.  ???

Quote
“I noticed an excessive amount of anger towards me today from indignant atheists, who were accusing me of saying “If the Lord commanded me to kill my own children tonight, it would be done by morning.” I never said such a horrible thing, nor would I. Please join me in prayer for the person who wrote this fake post.”

- Ray Comfort

It is a fake meme.

https://atheistforum.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/that-ray-comfort-meme/

I got poe'd yet again.

Yeah, me too, obviously.

Thanks for the correction. I find it oddly reassuring that Ray is not quite that insane. (I was about to say "comforting," then thought better of it.)


Can't blame a figment for one's own failings, now can we?

The figment is the failing. Or at least a consequence of a larger cognitive failing.

Or else the entire thing is nothing but a parable invented to support a very, very bad moral.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on June 18, 2019, 05:07:03 AM
That was my point.
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Post by: seamas on June 18, 2019, 12:40:51 PM
I notice he doesn't say what he would do.

Is his faith too weak to kill his own son?
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on June 18, 2019, 01:49:28 PM
I notice he doesn't say what he would do.

Is his faith too weak to kill his own son?
And the winner of this year's God's Darwin Award goes to Ray Cumfart.
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Post by: stands2reason on June 18, 2019, 09:48:10 PM
Thanks for the correction. I find it oddly reassuring that Ray is not quite that insane.

Oh, he is. This is the banana guy, after all: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Banana_argument
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Post by: John Albert on June 20, 2019, 04:01:21 PM
Thanks for the correction. I find it oddly reassuring that Ray is not quite that insane.

Oh, he is. This is the banana guy, after all: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Banana_argument

Some also know him as the evangelist whom Eli Bosnick tried to lick at ReasonCon 2016.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkHZDU_XEAAPLLF.jpg)
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on July 07, 2019, 03:29:38 PM
Did you see my post (https://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43247.msg9620570.html#msg9620570) about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence? Then get ready to roll your eyes as William Lane Craig rejects that idea (apparently a good testimony is enough to believe that someone rose from the dead) and complains about the "anti-supernatural bias" of historians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLN30A0vmlo
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Post by: stands2reason on July 07, 2019, 06:03:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ghCDm6t.jpg)
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Post by: Boßel on July 10, 2019, 04:24:43 PM
Did you see my post (https://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,43247.msg9620570.html#msg9620570) about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence? Then get ready to roll your eyes as William Lane Craig rejects that idea (apparently a good testimony is enough to believe that someone rose from the dead) and complains about the "anti-supernatural bias" of historians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLN30A0vmlo

Are you trying to raise my BP by posting WLC videos? ☹️😉
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on July 10, 2019, 04:33:44 PM
https://twitter.com/AtheistRepublic/status/1147788606058184704
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on July 13, 2019, 05:55:33 AM
https://twitter.com/AmericanAtheist/status/1148974263187251200
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 13, 2019, 08:09:39 AM
https://twitter.com/AmericanAtheist/status/1148974263187251200
"That there is a fer sure sign that the Rapture will happen any day now!"
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on July 13, 2019, 02:38:57 PM
(https://en.qantara.de/sites/default/files/styles/slideshow_wide/public/uploads/2017/07/03/proud_3.jpg)
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Post by: Tassie Dave on July 13, 2019, 06:11:49 PM
(https://en.qantara.de/sites/default/files/styles/slideshow_wide/public/uploads/2017/07/03/proud_3.jpg)

Very brave or very stupid.  ???
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on July 13, 2019, 07:03:51 PM
Dear Note Writer,

Please don't die.

Signed,
Concerned third-party.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 13, 2019, 07:19:37 PM
That was close to the chest and in a language most people at the Quabba wouldn't know.
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Post by: John Albert on July 22, 2019, 08:12:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/r4hoqPL.gif)
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Post by: stands2reason on July 24, 2019, 10:49:34 AM
(https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1805408)
(https://i.imgur.com/RLigpuu.jpg)
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Post by: RubyDuckman on July 25, 2019, 11:27:01 AM
.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190725/72aa3361599c31a0efcd6c4da4f83a09.jpg)

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Post by: stands2reason on July 25, 2019, 12:32:40 PM
Jesus Fucking Christ!

(click to show/hide)
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Post by: Awatsjr on July 25, 2019, 01:00:15 PM
That's one of the reasons we get yelled at.
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Post by: Fast Eddie B on July 25, 2019, 02:26:54 PM
That's one of the reasons we get yelled at.

Agreed. A couple of those make me uncomfortable. But I guess sometimes certain humor will always offend somebody.

And these offend me.
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Post by: John Albert on July 25, 2019, 04:32:19 PM
Why? Because of the sex?

People sometimes do weird things for sexual gratification, and that's often funny. I see no reason to be offended, so long as it's mutually consensual.
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Post by: Awatsjr on July 26, 2019, 10:48:41 AM
No, because I want to be better than them.

It also dismisses and denigrates what Jesus was really trying to do no matter how misguided he was.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on July 26, 2019, 01:13:04 PM
I don't offend easily.  I actually enjoy pushing the boundaries of offense.  Those are just stupid though.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 26, 2019, 02:05:41 PM
No, because I want to be better than them.
By all means, go ahead. I'll be back here having fun.  ;D
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Post by: wastrel on July 26, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
I don't offend easily.  I actually enjoy pushing the boundaries of offense.  Those are just stupid though.

Jesus fucking Christ always make me laugh.  Especially since I use the phrase fairly regularly.

to each their own.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on July 26, 2019, 02:35:45 PM
This is why you're not supposed to take the lord's name in vain.

Jesus fucking Christ? You don't say...
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Post by: Calinthalus on July 26, 2019, 02:40:27 PM
He's not the messiah.  He's a very naughty boy.
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Post by: Awatsjr on July 26, 2019, 02:45:30 PM
No, because I want to be better than them.
By all means, go ahead. I'll be back here having fun.  ;D

Sweet!

I’m not offended in the least - they make atheists look bad. I’ve told some Jesus jokes in my life but stopped when I realized I was sinking to a lower level.
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Post by: Quetzalcoatl on July 29, 2019, 04:20:07 PM
https://twitter.com/PersianRose1/status/1155808919731625984
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Post by: gebobs on July 29, 2019, 04:51:16 PM
Back on good ol' Usenet, talk.origins specifically, I finally learned what the "H" in Jesus H. Christ stood for.

Haploid.

It all made sense then.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: DevoutCatalyst on July 31, 2019, 06:05:39 PM
(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/candy-hearts-comics-tommy-siegel-9-5d3fe5242c43c__880.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: John Albert on August 06, 2019, 06:45:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/tFf9dY4.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on August 10, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
https://twitter.com/TheTweetOfGod/status/1158141229260922880
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on August 10, 2019, 07:04:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1MBr5wW0AEjbFT.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 11, 2019, 12:36:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/B7DQHQ7.png)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Fast Eddie B on August 11, 2019, 07:30:46 AM
Just needs The Book of Mormon!
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Awatsjr on August 11, 2019, 05:19:54 PM
Just needs The Book of Mormon!

No, that's apocrypha ... :)
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Post by: arthwollipot on August 11, 2019, 09:08:30 PM
Just needs The Book of Mormon!

No, that's apocrypha ... :)

It's fanfic.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 11, 2019, 10:18:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/LRuwLQf.jpg)
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: stands2reason on August 12, 2019, 08:35:36 PM
.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190725/72aa3361599c31a0efcd6c4da4f83a09.jpg)

Sent from my SM-G892U using Tapatalk

Ask, and ye shall receive.
Title: Re: Religion.jpg
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 12, 2019, 09:31:48 PM
Evidently the safe word that day was "Thetans".