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Title: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 03, 2018, 03:00:14 PM
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but it seems like a tech question.

I've been a "member" (contributor) to the SGU for a long time. They're now saying they'd prefer people support through Patreon. So I switched. I managed to get the URL for the podcast feed into my podcast app and I'm now getting the feed that way. No problems there. I managed to log into Patreon. No problems there. I even managed to open the Discord Server web page and log on there.

But I absolutely cannot figure out what to do with the Discord page. Supposedly the thank-you/welcome email has some sort of key, but I cannot find it. (Just the URL for the podcast feed.) Is there supposed to be a web page for the live Q&A feed? I have received no email with instructions. In fact, I received several emails from Patreon acknowledging my donation to the SGU (one of them had the podcast URL) but nothing from the SGU.

Can anybody explain to an idiot how I'm supposed to make any sort of use of their vaunted Discord server or get the promised life Q&A feed?

P.S. They say it's "better" if I download the app. I do not want to download an app that's probably got security holes like a Swiss cheese when I can see no reason the same functionality should not be available through my browser. (Maybe it's got security holes too, but I already have the browser anyway. Why should I have to download an app also??? Or is this whole thing only available to people who are happy to load their computers with bloatware?)
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 04, 2018, 03:03:56 AM
Discord is an app, not a website. If you're going to use it, you're going to use the app. If you don't want to use the app, you don't get to use Discord.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 04, 2018, 09:00:09 AM
Discord is an app, not a website. If you're going to use it, you're going to use the app. If you don't want to use the app, you don't get to use Discord.

Then what am I seeing when I go to discordapp.com? It has "app" in the name but is a web page. And I cannot figure out what to do once I'm there. I am logged in, but no clue how to find the SGU. (And the SGU has not replied to my email.) I don't do chat boards from my tablet because it's much easier on the desktop computer with a proper keyboard.

I think I'll send another email to the SGU. Maybe they've just been too busy fixing up after the mini-flood and then the tornado.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: amysrevenge on June 04, 2018, 10:24:15 AM
Yeah bud, Discord is one of those "normal" apps that millions of people use every day.  If you're using Discord, the app has security risks at a similar order of magnitude as a browser - in either case, Discord is the entity that receives your username/password/email and stores it, and that's the weak link - either you trust Discord with that much of your data, or you don't.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 04, 2018, 11:43:38 AM
Still confused here. What's the discord web page for if you need to use an app? Normally I think of apps as programs for a phone or tablet. I don't do chat boards on my phone or tablet. I do them on the desktop computer. The Discord web page has "app" in its URL. discordapp.com. But it gives me no hint what I'm supposed to do with it. And the SGU has sent me no indication on how to connect to them either from that web page or if I did put the app on my tablet.

And why the fuck couldn't they have just started a patrons-only chat board? If I ever did figure out how to use Discord is it just some kind of Facebook knockoff? I've never figured out what to do with Facebook, but in that case it doesn't matter because I think Facebook is creepy and dishonest so I have no interest in it.

Maybe someone could tell me what Discord is, because I have not even figured that out yet. (The "help" button on the Discord web page is no help at all.)
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: wastrel on June 04, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
Discord is a service that provides channels for discussion (kinda like a forum) and can link to voice servers for people to do group voice chats (kinda like Skype)
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: amysrevenge on June 04, 2018, 12:14:02 PM
I don't know everything about Discord...  One function for Discord is live voice chat, so it is often used by multiplayer video gamers to run in the background and chat while they play.  Another function is multi-channel, archived text chat with multimedia support for things like images and audio files.

Of note is that the voice channels use the "call" setting one your phone and not the "media" setting.  Like Skype or WhatsApp.

I use it for two contexts.

The first is an online course I do.  The course uses Twitch for its "live" video, but Twitch has a lag of about 15-30 seconds.  Therefore, the course is simul-voiced through Discord voice chat (everyone but the professor is muted), and we use one of the text chat channels for questions and comments (this avoids lag and allows real-time interaction with the course).  There is also another chat channel, unmonitored by the professor, for discussion among the students not intended for the immediate attention of the professor.

The second is for a local group to organize to play Pokemon Go in my (new) city.  There are archived information-only channels where only mods can post.  There are general chats for various topics.  There are neighbourhood-specific raid organizing chats, and city-wide legendary raid alert channels. 

The Pokemon Go one was my second Discord use, and I was surprised at how differently it was set up - it seems like it is highly customizable.

I mainly use it on my phone, but I also have used it on my laptop.  But it has been a while since I used it on my laptop and I don't exactly remember how it is set up.  I believe it is still under the auspices of the web browser, but it set up a shortcut on my home screen that went straight into Discord when launched.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 04, 2018, 01:35:16 PM
Thanks for the above. So the next question is, as a patron who is supposed to have access to the SGU Discord stuff, how do I find the key they're supposed to have sent me?
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: Harry Black on June 04, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
Once you get up and running, I would be very interested in how you find the experience from a social aspect!
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: random poet on June 04, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
Yes, I would also like to hear about this. I have just been waiting for such a long time for a place, just anywhere, online, to exchange ideas with other listeners. It is just so strange and deplorable that such a place doesn't already exist…



(As far as I know, you need an invitation to join a channel. I would guess you would have received it from the SGU when you subscribed, or something. All you need to do is click the link in your browser.)
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 04, 2018, 04:48:43 PM
Once you get up and running, I would be very interested in how you find the experience from a social aspect!

Assuming I ever do.

Yes, I would also like to hear about this. I have just been waiting for such a long time for a place, just anywhere, online, to exchange ideas with other listeners. It is just so strange and deplorable that such a place doesn't already exist…

(As far as I know, you need an invitation to join a channel. I would guess you would have received it from the SGU when you subscribed, or something. All you need to do is click the link in your browser.)

Nope. No invitation from the SGU. Just the acknowledgement from Patreon with the URL for the podcast. (Since I switched from the old membership via PayPal to the new one via Patreon, my old link will probably stop working.) The new URL works fine. But no Discord invitation.

I am very happy chatting here on the sguforums chat board. But they promised more special feeds not available on the premium channel, only on Discord. So far, for me, Discord is a big fat nothing. I'll send them another email. In the past they have responded, so I'm going to say they're just really busy now with all the disaster clean-up.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 06, 2018, 01:32:39 AM
Then what am I seeing when I go to discordapp.com? It has "app" in the name but is a web page. And I cannot figure out what to do once I'm there. I am logged in, but no clue how to find the SGU. (And the SGU has not replied to my email.) I don't do chat boards from my tablet because it's much easier on the desktop computer with a proper keyboard.
If you don't want to download and install the app, then you click on the button that says "Open discord in your browser". You will, of course, need to register for a Discord account by providing a valid email address if you haven't already. Just like a million other services that are available over the internet.

But seriously. Download and install the app. It's not going to destroy your computer or steal your identity. Millions of people use it every day.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 06, 2018, 09:10:39 AM
Then what am I seeing when I go to discordapp.com? It has "app" in the name but is a web page. And I cannot figure out what to do once I'm there. I am logged in, but no clue how to find the SGU. (And the SGU has not replied to my email.) I don't do chat boards from my tablet because it's much easier on the desktop computer with a proper keyboard.
If you don't want to download and install the app, then you click on the button that says "Open discord in your browser". You will, of course, need to register for a Discord account by providing a valid email address if you haven't already. Just like a million other services that are available over the internet.

But seriously. Download and install the app. It's not going to destroy your computer or steal your identity. Millions of people use it every day.

I have opened Discord in my browser. I have set up an account. I just cannot figure out what to do with it now that I have an account and the thing open. And I cannot figure out how to connect with the SGU in it. (Though I did find some videos on the SGU Patreon page.)

I'll take your word for it that the Discord app is safe. But I don't do chat boards on my phone or tablet. I do them at the desktop computer where I have a proper keyboard and a bigger screen.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: wastrel on June 06, 2018, 01:08:59 PM
So the various servers you are a member of are on the far left.  Once you are in on a Discord server, there are various channels in the next section, discussion threads and voice channels are listed.  Clicking on one should show you th discussion ion that channel.

If you don't see any channels, there might be a permissions issue
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 06, 2018, 03:19:42 PM
So the various servers you are a member of are on the far left.  Once you are in on a Discord server, there are various channels in the next section, discussion threads and voice channels are listed.  Clicking on one should show you th discussion ion that channel.

If you don't see any channels, there might be a permissions issue

Yes, there's a permissions issue because the SGU never sent me a link or key to join them. And if they did send me a key, it's not at all clear what I'm supposed to do with it.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 06, 2018, 08:39:34 PM
When you sign up to be a patron of the SGU, the welcome screen contains the link to the discord. I don't know how to get to it again after signup. It's also on the welcome email - check your spam filter if you didn't receive that. Otherwise you might need to email them to request the link again.

I'm on the discord now. I finally transferred my membership across.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 07, 2018, 09:55:12 AM
When you sign up to be a patron of the SGU, the welcome screen contains the link to the discord. I don't know how to get to it again after signup. It's also on the welcome email - check your spam filter if you didn't receive that. Otherwise you might need to email them to request the link again.

I'm on the discord now. I finally transferred my membership across.

I can get on Discord just fine. I've set up an account and it recognizes me. I just don't have a key to connect to the SGU. And if I had the key, I don't know what to do with it.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 07, 2018, 08:18:29 PM
I can get on Discord just fine. I've set up an account and it recognizes me. I just don't have a key to connect to the SGU. And if I had the key, I don't know what to do with it.
Yes, I know. What I just said was that when you sign up on Patreon, the welcome screen you get after confirming your signup has a link to the discord. And what you do with it is click it.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 08, 2018, 09:20:45 AM
I can get on Discord just fine. I've set up an account and it recognizes me. I just don't have a key to connect to the SGU. And if I had the key, I don't know what to do with it.
Yes, I know. What I just said was that when you sign up on Patreon, the welcome screen you get after confirming your signup has a link to the discord. And what you do with it is click it.

Which I did. Which got me to Discord. But not to the SGU's group on Discord.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 08, 2018, 02:55:31 PM
Got an email from Jay in reply to mine asking how to get to them on Discord. So I went back to Discord intending to send him a screen shot asking what to do with that. And lo and behold, now Discord shows me a little SGU icon, and clicking on it gets me to them.

Basically it looks like a very primitive and difficult-to-navigate chat board.

It's much easier to have discussions here. With the advantage that here anybody can participate. There does seem to be a channel there for those Patron-only feeds they're promising once a month.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 08, 2018, 06:23:36 PM
Okay, so I've been browsing around the Discord thing. There are several broad categories, like General, WTN, Membership issues, Science Topics; and within each is just a flow of comments in chronological order, with no logical order. I've participated on a number of chat boards, and within each general heading there are threads, any while there's often thread drift, more or less each thread is a coherent discussion on a topic, with posters quoting the post they're replying to. People go off on tangents or off-topic, but you can follow the discussion.

The Discord is just an incoherent stream of short comments, impossible to follow for any sort of actual discussion. "Discord" is a good name for it because it's totally discordant. I suppose it might attract people with attention spans in the region of a few seconds to a minute. But it looks as though an in-depth discussion would be impossible. Which also means that any actual substance will be non-existent.

Can anybody offer any actual utility to this sort of construct? The SGU can put up content that will not be available to non-patrons, but they could do that with any pay-walled web site.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 08, 2018, 06:43:42 PM
Utility? You can have conversations with people.

I don't know if you've ever used an IRC chat, but it's essentially the same kind of thing. Discord is more sophisticated than IRC in some ways, and easier to learn how to use. Also, there's the option for voice chat. If you're into that sort of thing. It's great for playing multiplayer team games.

If it doesn't suit your preferences, that's okay. But it does suit millions of people. It's not a forum and it's not trying to be a forum, so don't expect it to do the things that a forum does.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: fred.slota on June 08, 2018, 08:52:37 PM
Utility? You can have conversations with people.

I don't know if you've ever used an IRC chat, but it's essentially the same kind of thing. Discord is more sophisticated than IRC in some ways, and easier to learn how to use. Also, there's the option for voice chat. If you're into that sort of thing. It's great for playing multiplayer team games.

If it doesn't suit your preferences, that's okay. But it does suit millions of people. It's not a forum and it's not trying to be a forum, so don't expect it to do the things that a forum does.

Damn you.....


Forum-Man, Forum-Man, does whatever a forum can...


Get it out of my head!
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 09, 2018, 04:00:05 AM
Utility? You can have conversations with people.

I don't know if you've ever used an IRC chat, but it's essentially the same kind of thing. Discord is more sophisticated than IRC in some ways, and easier to learn how to use. Also, there's the option for voice chat. If you're into that sort of thing. It's great for playing multiplayer team games.

If it doesn't suit your preferences, that's okay. But it does suit millions of people. It's not a forum and it's not trying to be a forum, so don't expect it to do the things that a forum does.

Damn you.....


Forum-Man, Forum-Man, does whatever a forum can...


Get it out of my head!
Forum-man, Forum-man
Forum-man hates Discord-man.
They have a fight, Forum wins.
Forum-man.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: fred.slota on June 09, 2018, 07:35:05 AM
Utility? You can have conversations with people.

I don't know if you've ever used an IRC chat, but it's essentially the same kind of thing. Discord is more sophisticated than IRC in some ways, and easier to learn how to use. Also, there's the option for voice chat. If you're into that sort of thing. It's great for playing multiplayer team games.

If it doesn't suit your preferences, that's okay. But it does suit millions of people. It's not a forum and it's not trying to be a forum, so don't expect it to do the things that a forum does.

Damn you.....


Forum-Man, Forum-Man, does whatever a forum can...


Get it out of my head!
Forum-man, Forum-man
Forum-man hates Discord-man.
They have a fight, Forum wins.
Forum-man.
You're not helping.  I had managed to sleep it off, but kinda like the game (you just lost), your post brought it back, and rather than one earwig replacing the other, I now have the two of them tag-teaming in my head.

Let me try something.


NA na na na na na na na NA na na na na na na na - Forum-Man!


Ahhhhh, that's better.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 09, 2018, 09:28:54 AM
Utility? You can have conversations with people.

I don't know if you've ever used an IRC chat, but it's essentially the same kind of thing. Discord is more sophisticated than IRC in some ways, and easier to learn how to use. Also, there's the option for voice chat. If you're into that sort of thing. It's great for playing multiplayer team games.

If it doesn't suit your preferences, that's okay. But it does suit millions of people. It's not a forum and it's not trying to be a forum, so don't expect it to do the things that a forum does.

Damn you.....


Forum-Man, Forum-Man, does whatever a forum can...


Get it out of my head!
Forum-man, Forum-man
Forum-man hates Discord-man.
They have a fight, Forum wins.
Forum-man.

I don't hate Discord folks in the least. I just find that Discord is not a means of communication that appeals to me. Now that I finally understand what it is (a fancy version of IRC: a booth at a bar without the beer, a place to exchange quick real-time comments if you can type fast enough, but not a place for any in-depth discussion) it's just not for me.

Maybe I'll watch the next live feed there, if I happen to be at home and not traveling. Except that watching talking heads will probably bore me so much I'll shut it off after five minutes.

Oh, and it's a bit disconcerting to see what they actually look like after so many years of picturing them in my mind.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 09, 2018, 08:37:44 PM
I don't hate Discord folks in the least. I just find that Discord is not a means of communication that appeals to me. Now that I finally understand what it is (a fancy version of IRC: a booth at a bar without the beer, a place to exchange quick real-time comments if you can type fast enough, but not a place for any in-depth discussion) it's just not for me.
Totally fair enough. For me, I'm accustomed to both methods of communication.

Maybe I'll watch the next live feed there, if I happen to be at home and not traveling. Except that watching talking heads will probably bore me so much I'll shut it off after five minutes.
Yeah, I get bored by talking heads too. Also I generally don't watch things on my computer because it's not set up for extended periods of watching stuff. I'd rather put something on my PS4 and sit in my comfy chair than at my desk with my small monitor.

Oh, and it's a bit disconcerting to see what they actually look like after so many years of picturing them in my mind.
I KNOW RIGHT? I still haven't seen any photos of the McElroys, so I have no idea if my mental images of them are in any way accurate.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: wastrel on June 09, 2018, 09:20:50 PM
Why would you post such a comment?

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/742/566f90f46edbc.image.jpg)

Justin, left; Griffin, center; Travis, right.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 09, 2018, 09:25:59 PM
Oh great. Now you've spoiled my carefully-crafted mental image. Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: wastrel on June 09, 2018, 10:33:32 PM
I agree, I am a monster.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: brilligtove on June 09, 2018, 11:54:35 PM
I agree, I am a monster.
https://youtu.be/157bm8ZcxPA
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: Harry Black on June 10, 2018, 07:58:26 AM
Why would you post such a comment?

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/742/566f90f46edbc.image.jpg)

Justin, left; Griffin, center; Travis, right.
I dont know who they are but I recently got tricked into thinking Yo Is This Racist might be good now and downloaded a few eps.
Travis was on a recent episode and seems REALLY cool and very insightful.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: daniel1948 on June 10, 2018, 08:43:46 AM
Why would you post such a comment?

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/742/566f90f46edbc.image.jpg)

Justin, left; Griffin, center; Travis, right.

Curse you for posting that! Well, at least I still don't know what Sydnee looks like.

BTW, Travis was on a recent episode of Ross & Carrie, and he does a really good impression of Bane.

BTW#2, Sawbones is one of my favorite podcasts, but all the other McElroy podcasts make my ears bleed, they're so vapid.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: Tassie Dave on June 10, 2018, 05:44:43 PM

Curse you for posting that! Well, at least I still don't know what Sydnee looks like.

(https://i.imgur.com/5iLhjDN.jpg)

 ;)

Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on June 10, 2018, 08:10:36 PM
BTW#2, Sawbones is one of my favorite podcasts, but all the other McElroy podcasts make my ears bleed, they're so vapid.
The only one I listen to is The Adventure Zone.
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: PANTS! on June 11, 2018, 09:33:22 AM
Which Cord?


DISCORD!
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: Harry Black on June 11, 2018, 01:26:14 PM
Dis cord!!!
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: Morvis13 on May 03, 2019, 11:33:07 AM
 :zombie: A few of you have added me but if others are looking...
Morvis13#9278
Title: Re: Discord server???
Post by: arthwollipot on May 05, 2019, 10:54:39 PM
The last few times I've been on Discord, no-one else was active, so I lost interest. That's the problem with being on the other side of the planet from a majority of users. It's why I like the forum - it doesn't depend on being active at the same time as other people.

I also note that they have mentioned the forum several times on the show recently, which was nice. I was starting to think they had forgotten about us.