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Title: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on September 09, 2018, 01:17:23 PM
I found this on Twitter (https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1038807797184352256):

Quote from: Mike Bird
Sweden is going to the polls today. I have nothing of interest to say about this other than those guys can mess up a pizza like no other country on this crazy planet #val2018 #valet2018

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmqWKK4UUAA7MJ_.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmqWKicUYAANgzS.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmqWLRIUYAEymzb.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmqWLcLUcAA7_Fa.jpg)

I have never eaten a pizza with fries on. But otherwise, what's wrong with those pizzas? They look great to me. What are pizzas supposed to look like?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: DevoutCatalyst on September 09, 2018, 01:30:45 PM
All look great to me. I'd sprinkle mixed nuts and sunflower seeds in the shell on one and feed it to my neighborhood crows. Feeding pizza to crows is something I do every Christmas day. Crows love me (to the extent that crows give love). Crows enjoy their pizza.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Harry Black on September 09, 2018, 01:31:49 PM
I dunno man.
Pizza preferences seem to be one of those things people have overly strong opinions about.
They all look delicious to me.

Also- apparently crows can be really affectionate and good pets?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 09, 2018, 01:41:47 PM
Bananas? Seriously? Yer goin' to Hell for that one.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Redamare on September 09, 2018, 02:06:45 PM
I'm with Harry on this one, except that only the second one (with the fries) looks like it might (repeat might) be good to me.

Crows are wonderful creatures.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Rai on September 09, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
That they are horrifying abominations?


Don't get me wrong, I enjoy horrifying pizza abominations. I especially love the insane ones from Southern Brazil:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB1urDUWEAAEJZF.jpg:large),

But these are the kinds of pizzas whose sight could kill half the population of Italy. They are the Sharknado 6s of pizzas.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 09, 2018, 02:52:50 PM
I'm with Harry on this one, except that only the second one (with the fries) looks like it might (repeat might) be good to me.

Crows are wonderful creatures.
Nacho cheese fries pizza. The seventh seal has been opened.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Redamare on September 09, 2018, 04:01:47 PM
I mean, if you like nacho cheese fries, there's no reason not to like them on top of a bread circle. What makes me recoil from the "banana horrors" is the unappealing flavor combo.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: DevoutCatalyst on September 09, 2018, 04:12:23 PM
Also- apparently crows can be really affectionate and good pets?
As I understand it, in the USA it's not legal to keep an American Crow as a pet although on YouTube you can see that people do keep them. There are hunting seasons in my state if you want to shoot a bunch, though. Wild crows, even in rural areas where they are more skittish, will tame to where you can hand feed them. It' s apparently not the easiest bird to tame in that manner and I've not done it, thinking it's better for them that they stay wary. When I'm out for a walk crows will land in a tree above me and I only know it because of their shadows, they're pretty silent when they want to be. I always carry nuts with me, and the crows know me all over town and seek handouts. In bitter cold winter conditions they lose their wariness and will approach you at close distances for food.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Redamare on September 09, 2018, 04:18:16 PM
I don't really think of crows as being "tame" or "wild", anymore than I would think of humans that way. They're smart enough to distinguish between trusting individuals and trusting people.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Tassie Dave on September 09, 2018, 04:30:19 PM
Banana on a pizza is a bit weird  ??? No problem with the pineapple, the Hawaiian is an Aussie favourite, but at least cut it up  ;)

Chips is a strange choice, but I could get behind it  8) but not with mayonnaise  ??? I'm with Jules and Vincent on that one, blerrgghhh  :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f24DOkYMa6o
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: seamas on September 10, 2018, 11:08:07 AM
These pizzas remind me of a story one of my friends told me when he worked as a cook.
A young woman ordered Eggs Benedict, but broccoli instead of ham and tofu scramble instead of eggs and no hollandaise.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: gebobs on September 10, 2018, 02:52:26 PM
Barf.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 10, 2018, 03:12:55 PM
What's wrong with those pizzas is that they are an aberration of nature, God(s) and the Universe. They are a war crime.

Bananas? White stuff? (Is it mayo? Is it sour cream? Is it some other unnamable abomination? There are no right answers.) Fries? Lettuce? You have gone too far. If someone from Italy sees this thread, half the country will instantly die, and the other half will declare war on Scandinavia.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 10, 2018, 03:55:01 PM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 10, 2018, 04:08:49 PM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.
Yes that is the correct way to eat fries.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 10, 2018, 04:34:35 PM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.
Yes that is the correct way to eat fries.
Nope, just a dash of vinegar.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Boßel on September 10, 2018, 04:44:36 PM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.
Yes that is the correct way to eat fries.
Nope, just a dash of vinegar.

Nope, just a dash of a lot of salt.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 10, 2018, 05:17:21 PM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.
Yes that is the correct way to eat fries.
Nope, just a dash of vinegar.

Nope, just a dash of a lot of salt.
Salt was a given.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: gebobs on September 10, 2018, 05:36:50 PM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.
Yes that is the correct way to eat fries.
Nope, just a dash of vinegar.

Malt vinegar.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 10, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
Tomato sauce. You can get away with barbequeue sauce, but tomato is the proper sauce for chips.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: wastrel on September 10, 2018, 07:16:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmtGI5dUwAIRAAV.jpg:large)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Tassie Dave on September 11, 2018, 02:35:34 AM
Tomato sauce. You can get away with barbequeue sauce, but tomato is the proper sauce for chips.

Always tomato sauce.  8) A chip sandwich is my favourite. Has to be large cut chips though, not the joke size chips that KFC or Mickey D's sell.

Mayo on chips is a crime against food  ;)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: mindme on September 11, 2018, 08:25:08 AM
Pizza in Asia is beyond crazy.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 11, 2018, 08:31:59 AM
What pizza? I see no pizza present in this thread. That said I would be willing to try most of those pies.  >:D
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Rai on September 11, 2018, 08:46:34 AM
As a reference, here's an actual pizza:

(http://tastetheworld.vista03.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/14595551_10209557763173880_346375566738215192_n.jpg)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 11, 2018, 08:47:40 AM
What are pizzas supposed to look like?

Pizza looks Like this

(https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/grub/2016/best-of-new-york/best-pizza-slice-joes.w710.h473.2x.jpg)

or looks like Lombardi's, yum

(https://slice.seriouseats.com/assets_c/2011/02/20110225-lombardis-marg-beauty-thumb-500x332-142848.jpg)

Pizza soup from Chicago (not really pizza but they think so)

(https://chicagopizzasportsgrille.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/chicagopizza2.png)

Pizza flavored cracker from St Louis (not pizza, complete laughing stock, they cant even get cheese right)

(https://d3cizcpymoenau.cloudfront.net/images/legacy/31159/SFS_StLouisPizza-35_276389.jpg)

California abomination, (very much not pizza, make it go away before my eyes burn)

(https://dishout.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/130501_goldsmith_cpk-736_lores.jpg)


Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: brilligtove on September 11, 2018, 01:04:40 PM
In the episode The Cradle of Pizza Civilization (http://www.maximumfun.org/judge-john-hodgman/judge-john-hodgman-episode-252-cradle-pizza-civilization), Judge John Hodgman rules: "There are many, many different kinds of white pizzas that don't have any tomato sauce on them at all, and there's no question that they are pizzas. They come from the same Italian-American pizza-parlour tradition."
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: amysrevenge on September 11, 2018, 01:11:38 PM
How hard is it to not give a shit about this?  lol

Yeah, I like pineapples on a thing I call pizza. 

I also like not-pineapples on a different thing that I also call pizza.

Yeah, those bananas look super gross.  But there's lots of pizzas that are pretty gross and I don't dispute their use of the name.

When I was a kid I'd spread barbeque sauce on pita bread, put american cheese on top, and microwave it.  Pizza!

The full name for the things I like could be "pizza-inspired flatbread" or "pizza-inspired casserole" (hello Chicago!) or whatever.  But it's pretty dumb to insist on that full name when "pizza" is close enough.

Cool your jets, y'all.  Hahahahaha
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 11, 2018, 02:00:42 PM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.
Yes that is the correct way to eat fries.
Nope, just a dash of vinegar.

Malt vinegar.
Is there another kind?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on September 11, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
How can bananas on a pizza be "gross"? ???
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: amysrevenge on September 11, 2018, 02:44:13 PM
How can bananas on a pizza be "gross"? ???

The only way:  subjectively.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on September 11, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
As a reference, here's an actual pizza:

(http://tastetheworld.vista03.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/14595551_10209557763173880_346375566738215192_n.jpg)

Oh, I miss those.  Lucked into visiting Italy a couple times. Ate as many neapolitan style pizzas as I could.  And they were always like three or four euros!
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 11, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
My first experience with europizza was in Sicily. It was ... interesting. I was ... stoned.  It was ... gone.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 11, 2018, 06:30:07 PM
Tomato sauce. You can get away with barbequeue sauce, but tomato is the proper sauce for chips.

Always tomato sauce.  8) A chip sandwich is my favourite. Has to be large cut chips though, not the joke size chips that KFC or Mickey D's sell.

Mayo on chips is a crime against food  ;)

I call those thin-cut ones that you get from Maccas "fries" because I consider them to be American-style and Americans call them "fries". They're not proper chips.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: mindme on September 12, 2018, 08:29:13 AM
Making Korean pizza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biIKpegx7h4
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 12, 2018, 09:20:35 AM
How hard is it to not give a shit about this?  lol

Yeah, I like pineapples on a thing I call pizza. 

I also like not-pineapples on a different thing that I also call pizza.

Yeah, those bananas look super gross.  But there's lots of pizzas that are pretty gross and I don't dispute their use of the name.

When I was a kid I'd spread barbeque sauce on pita bread, put american cheese on top, and microwave it.  Pizza!

The full name for the things I like could be "pizza-inspired flatbread" or "pizza-inspired casserole" (hello Chicago!) or whatever.  But it's pretty dumb to insist on that full name when "pizza" is close enough.

Cool your jets, y'all.  Hahahahaha

Pizza is personal, I really only consider NY style to be real pizza, I barely pass Italian pies. 

I also don't consider the big three (Dominoes, Pizza hut, and Papa Johns) to be "pizza"  It has little to do with the toppings. Although as I pointed out earlier I will still eat it if put in front of me but I will never order it if "real pizza" is available. You cant make pizza with a conveyor belt, period. You are eating bread dough with sugar sauce and processed cheese.

Rather than say all pizza is not pizza which I admit would not be practical I believe some pizzas should have some protected status like wine or cheese before it is ruined permanently, I'm sure more than half the USA thinks dominoes is the norm when its not.  I'm even OK with some regional as long as it has a label ie "Chicago" pizza (but not st Louis, call that shit something else)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: gebobs on September 12, 2018, 10:52:53 AM
Pizza is personal, I really only consider NY style to be real pizza

Buffalo NY specifically. ;-)

I'm from Buffalo and it's funny and a bit embarrassing how defensive they (well, we) can be. And especially with respect to New York City. For shits and giggles, check out this article from the Daily Beast.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-americas-pizza-capital-buffalo-new-york

In the Queen City's defense, you can get some really good, no-nonsense, New York pizza (though we insist it's Neapolitan so as not to give NYC any credit). In Buffalo (and I'm sure we're not unique), pizza can be like a religion. Everyone swears by the pizzeria in their own neighborhood and, at best, grudgingly admits that the joint a mile away is pretty good too. And the cognoscenti agree that the chains are crap. We tried Chicago-style when it was faddish in the 80's and haven't been since Bush left office (the first one).

Pizza in Buffalo as defined in the article:
Quote
It has to have cup-and-char pepperoni with grease in the center of each cup and blackening on the top along the rim. A hefty portion of cheese with good browning (some places make it super-dark). Buffalo-style is traditionally an overdone pie, and ordering ‘well-done’ on top of that is common. The sauce is rich, ladled generously, and a little sweet. It has a thick dough that fluffs up consistently to the edge of a crispy, buttery crust that’s typically charred and caked in excess with a super intense, oven-dried sauce.

Now for the funny part:
Quote
According to The Buffalo News, the number of pizzerias went from 62 in 1969 to 274 by 1989 to 360 in 1998. Keep in mind that over that period of time, according to the census, the population went from 462,768 to 292,819. Today? There are fewer people (256,902). But, at least according to Buffalo’s local tourism agency Visit Buffalo Niagara, at last count there were more than 600 pizzerias in Buffalo and its immediate surrounding urban area. That means if we’re conservative and say just 600, there’s at least one pizzeria for every 428 people in the Nickel City. Compare that to New York City, whose some estimated 1,600 pizzerias serve 8.538 million people. That’s right, New York City, which has 33 times the number of people as Buffalo, per capita, has less than four times the number of pizzerias. And you thought you loved pizza.

Buffalo baybee...we're talkin' proud! And making shit up as we go apparently. I haven't lived there in over 20 years, but I go back a lot and I know Buff pretty well. There is no way there are 600 pizza joints in Buffalo. I can mentally go down the major thoroughfares and count them in my head. And of course I have Google maps to assist my feeble memory. Even if you count all the lousy chains, even if you include the Niagara Peninsula in Canada, I doubt there are more than a hundred.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 12, 2018, 11:20:37 AM
Making Korean pizza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biIKpegx7h4
There's a Korean pizza kitchen in Urbana, Illinois, proving they are now ubiquitous.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: HighPockets on September 12, 2018, 11:48:00 AM
That Korean Pizza is a joke right? Like eating Tide Pods? That can't be real.

Being in the center of Illinois, I have a fondness for Chicago Style, and have been known to eat a St. Louis Style "pie" on occasion.

I will add a vote to the Pepperoni "cups" of fat on a cheese Pizza as one of the best things about a "regular" pie.  and throw down another vote for the traditional margherita pizza, from a brick oven, as the classic.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: DevoutCatalyst on September 12, 2018, 11:55:15 AM
Being in the center of Illinois, I have a fondness for Chicago Style, and have been known to eat a St. Louis Style "pie" on occasion.
There's pizza in Chestnut Illinois?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 12, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
That Korean Pizza is a joke right? Like eating Tide Pods? That can't be real.
I'm scarred for life.

edit: By all the "pizzas" in this thread, I mean. But yes also specifically by that thing.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 12, 2018, 01:20:44 PM
That Korean Pizza is a joke right?
I don't know if THAT pizza was a realistic Korean pizza, but I have a friend who delivers Korean pizzas in Urbana. The college kids go for them, I hear.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: HighPockets on September 12, 2018, 01:38:35 PM
Being in the center of Illinois, I have a fondness for Chicago Style, and have been known to eat a St. Louis Style "pie" on occasion.
There's pizza in Chestnut Illinois?

Yeah, but we have to immigrate the Italians from Farmington, ever since they built that wall over by Pekin ( to keep the rednecks out) it's been harder and harder to get good pizza here.

That Korean Pizza is a joke right?
I don't know if THAT pizza was a realistic Korean pizza, but I have a friend who delivers Korean pizzas in Urbana. The college kids go for them, I hear.

I don't think I've been to Urbana since they moved the HS state Basketball playoffs to Peoria, but next time I'm in town.....
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 12, 2018, 02:27:22 PM
Pizza is personal, I really only consider NY style to be real pizza

Buffalo NY specifically. ;-)

I'm from Buffalo and it's funny and a bit embarrassing how defensive they (well, we) can be. And especially with respect to New York City. For shits and giggles, check out this article from the Daily Beast.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-americas-pizza-capital-buffalo-new-york

In the Queen City's defense, you can get some really good, no-nonsense, New York pizza (though we insist it's Neapolitan so as not to give NYC any credit). In Buffalo (and I'm sure we're not unique), pizza can be like a religion. Everyone swears by the pizzeria in their own neighborhood and, at best, grudgingly admits that the joint a mile away is pretty good too. And the cognoscenti agree that the chains are crap. We tried Chicago-style when it was faddish in the 80's and haven't been since Bush left office (the first one).

Pizza in Buffalo as defined in the article:
Quote
It has to have cup-and-char pepperoni with grease in the center of each cup and blackening on the top along the rim. A hefty portion of cheese with good browning (some places make it super-dark). Buffalo-style is traditionally an overdone pie, and ordering ‘well-done’ on top of that is common. The sauce is rich, ladled generously, and a little sweet. It has a thick dough that fluffs up consistently to the edge of a crispy, buttery crust that’s typically charred and caked in excess with a super intense, oven-dried sauce.

Now for the funny part:
Quote
According to The Buffalo News, the number of pizzerias went from 62 in 1969 to 274 by 1989 to 360 in 1998. Keep in mind that over that period of time, according to the census, the population went from 462,768 to 292,819. Today? There are fewer people (256,902). But, at least according to Buffalo’s local tourism agency Visit Buffalo Niagara, at last count there were more than 600 pizzerias in Buffalo and its immediate surrounding urban area. That means if we’re conservative and say just 600, there’s at least one pizzeria for every 428 people in the Nickel City. Compare that to New York City, whose some estimated 1,600 pizzerias serve 8.538 million people. That’s right, New York City, which has 33 times the number of people as Buffalo, per capita, has less than four times the number of pizzerias. And you thought you loved pizza.

Buffalo baybee...we're talkin' proud! And making shit up as we go apparently. I haven't lived there in over 20 years, but I go back a lot and I know Buff pretty well. There is no way there are 600 pizza joints in Buffalo. I can mentally go down the major thoroughfares and count them in my head. And of course I have Google maps to assist my feeble memory. Even if you count all the lousy chains, even if you include the Niagara Peninsula in Canada, I doubt there are more than a hundred.

Off topic but most pizza shops seam to sell them now and it fits in with regional food. Buffalo wings, what do you call them in Buffalo? More and more I see them called "hot wings" here in Atlanta. Did you know they eat more of them here than there? I bet different regions have their own way of making these too and we could argue if they are "true buffalo wings" or not.  To me original would be Franks red hot, butter, pinch of cayenne pepper over fried non breaded wings.

Hooters breads theirs so is it still a buffalo wing?

I bet you cant get Lemon Pepper Wet,

Now everyone has them down here because of this scene from ATL but JR Crickets the originator still makes them the best, they changed the name to Lemon Pepper wet because of the scene but they have had them for years.  First they lemon pepper them then smoother them in original sauce.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLQO6UYTt58
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: moj on September 12, 2018, 02:47:41 PM
My wife loves Buffalo wings or anything with the buffalo flavor. Not my jam at all, just taste like vinegar with a slight kick. I would 1000 times over prefer a garlic or jerk, pretty much anything that doesn't predominantly taste like vinegar. Most places around here that will do wings offer a variety of types but in the circle of people I eat with a lot, they almost all prefer buffalo style. I wonder if vinegary things are like cilantro and some taste it differently?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: mindme on September 12, 2018, 02:51:31 PM
That Korean Pizza is a joke right? Like eating Tide Pods? That can't be real.

It's parody but shockingly close to the truth.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 12, 2018, 03:10:44 PM
That Korean Pizza is a joke right? Like eating Tide Pods? That can't be real.

It's parody but shockingly close to the truth.
It really went off the rails when he cooked it in the microwave.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 12, 2018, 06:14:00 PM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 12, 2018, 06:25:10 PM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
What about a key-lime pie, or a lemon pie, or any of the other types of pie with no upper crust? Are they tarts?

What if you just do a kind of a dough lattice as an upper crust, covering less surface? Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?

What about a Tarte Tatin? They have no height, no rim of crust.

(Tart is synonymous with pie. It's just the French word for pie. No other language that I'm aware of makes the distinction that you cite above.)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 12, 2018, 06:45:24 PM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
What about a key-lime pie, or a lemon pie, or any of the other types of pie with no upper crust? Are they tarts?

Yes.

What if you just do a kind of a dough lattice as an upper crust, covering less surface? Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?

Crust on top means pie. Doesn't matter if there are gaps in the crust. It's a pie.

What about a Tarte Tatin? They have no height, no rim of crust.

I had no idea what that was, so I had to look it up. A tarte tatin is clearly a fruit pizza.

(Tart is synonymous with pie. It's just the French word for pie. No other language that I'm aware of makes the distinction that you cite above.)

Right, but I'm specifically talking about English. More specifically, Australian English. Even more specifically, the Australian English vernacular that I use. I repeat for clarity - I'm not trying to suggest that my usage is the only valid usage. I often seem to come across that way, but I don't intend to.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 12, 2018, 06:51:22 PM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
What about a key-lime pie, or a lemon pie, or any of the other types of pie with no upper crust? Are they tarts?

What if you just do a kind of a dough lattice as an upper crust, covering less surface? Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?

What about a Tarte Tatin? They have no height, no rim of crust.

(Tart is synonymous with pie. It's just the French word for pie. No other language that I'm aware of makes the distinction that you cite above.)

Pie = crust with stuff on top and does not need a top crust.  I emphasise crust as that bread stuff cooked on the conveyor belt is unable to achieve one. You cant do this on a "flat pan" either, it needs to cook right on the stone.

Although I do like the idea of calling it a Chicago pizza Tart, that works for me even if it does still qualify as a "pie"  >:D

I like Arthwollipots food descriptions.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 12, 2018, 06:55:42 PM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
What about a key-lime pie, or a lemon pie, or any of the other types of pie with no upper crust? Are they tarts?

Yes.

What if you just do a kind of a dough lattice as an upper crust, covering less surface? Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?

Crust on top means pie. Doesn't matter if there are gaps in the crust. It's a pie.

What about a Tarte Tatin? They have no height, no rim of crust.

I had no idea what that was, so I had to look it up. A tarte tatin is clearly a fruit pizza.

(Tart is synonymous with pie. It's just the French word for pie. No other language that I'm aware of makes the distinction that you cite above.)

Right, but I'm specifically talking about English. More specifically, Australian English. Even more specifically, the Australian English vernacular that I use. I repeat for clarity - I'm not trying to suggest that my usage is the only valid usage. I often seem to come across that way, but I don't intend to.
Fine, but you still haven't answered the only important question in that lot.

It was:
"Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?"
Or any pie at all. What if it had one single, 1 inch wide, line of crust across the top?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Redamare on September 12, 2018, 06:56:24 PM
It's true. Some pies basically never have a top crust (pumpkin, pecan, chocolate silk), but even the more traditional ones like apple, cherry, and blueberry I frequently see without it.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 12, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
What about a key-lime pie, or a lemon pie, or any of the other types of pie with no upper crust? Are they tarts?

Yes.

What if you just do a kind of a dough lattice as an upper crust, covering less surface? Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?

Crust on top means pie. Doesn't matter if there are gaps in the crust. It's a pie.

What about a Tarte Tatin? They have no height, no rim of crust.

I had no idea what that was, so I had to look it up. A tarte tatin is clearly a fruit pizza.

(Tart is synonymous with pie. It's just the French word for pie. No other language that I'm aware of makes the distinction that you cite above.)

Right, but I'm specifically talking about English. More specifically, Australian English. Even more specifically, the Australian English vernacular that I use. I repeat for clarity - I'm not trying to suggest that my usage is the only valid usage. I often seem to come across that way, but I don't intend to.
Fine, but you still haven't answered the only important question in that lot.

It was:
"Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?"
Or any pie at all. What if it had one single, 1 inch wide, line of crust across the top?

Yes, probably. But I don't usually encounter very many lattice-topped pies in my regular day-to-day. This is what I default to when I think of a pie:

(https://i.imgur.com/t6jss7F.jpg)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: wastrel on September 12, 2018, 07:34:41 PM
Are meat pies good?  Whenever I hear about them, I think they must be good, but have never encountered one in the wild.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Redamare on September 12, 2018, 07:36:44 PM
Heard good things about pork pies in London.

Pot pies are okay, think meat and veggie stew in a pie crust. They're cheap in the frozen section and usually come in chicken, turkey, and beef flavor.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 12, 2018, 07:38:21 PM
Lemon meringue pie.

(https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalmills.com/746810cb-59b0-493a-a2aa-0f20e0b8780a.jpg)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Redamare on September 12, 2018, 07:39:09 PM
Another fine example of my point.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 12, 2018, 07:49:08 PM
Are meat pies good?  Whenever I hear about them, I think they must be good, but have never encountered one in the wild.

They vary greatly in quality. The cheaper ones tend to have bits of fat and gristle that make them less than pleasant. The good ones are to die for. They're the traditional fare at footy matches. Make sure you have them with sauce.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 12, 2018, 07:49:52 PM
Lemon meringue pie.

My mum makes a fantastic lemon meringue tart, using lemons from my dad's garden.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 12, 2018, 08:23:15 PM
Are meat pies good?  Whenever I hear about them, I think they must be good, but have never encountered one in the wild.

They vary greatly in quality. The cheaper ones tend to have bits of fat and gristle that make them less than pleasant. The good ones are to die for. They're the traditional fare at footy matches. Make sure you have them with sauce.

by sauce do you mean HP?

We have a new pie shop called Panbury that claims to have Australian, British and South African pies, I cant say if they are authentic but they are all very good. They dont have "sauce" but I read that in England they use HP sauce so I bought some and I liked it on my pie.

Its funny how we have so called British and Irish pubs but they typically serve the same crap as other bars then add fish and chips (usually frys) and Shepards pie (usually cottage pie) or is that a tart? It does not have a top crust.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 12, 2018, 08:59:15 PM
Are meat pies good?  Whenever I hear about them, I think they must be good, but have never encountered one in the wild.

They vary greatly in quality. The cheaper ones tend to have bits of fat and gristle that make them less than pleasant. The good ones are to die for. They're the traditional fare at footy matches. Make sure you have them with sauce.

by sauce do you mean HP?

Tomato sauce is traditional, which is the Aussie default when the type of sauce is unspecified. Tomato sauce is like American ketchup but without as much sugar.

We have a new pie shop called Panbury that claims to have Australian, British and South African pies, I cant say if they are authentic but they are all very good. They dont have "sauce" but I read that in England they use HP sauce so I bought some and I liked it on my pie.

If it doesn't offer sauce on your pie, it's not authentically Australian. HP sauce is available here, but it's not as popular as it is in the UK.

Its funny how we have so called British and Irish pubs but they typically serve the same crap as other bars then add fish and chips (usually frys) and Shepards pie (usually cottage pie) or is that a tart? It does not have a top crust.

Like Chicago pizza, I give a pass to shepherd's and cottage pie. The potato on top is a very acceptable substitute for a top crust.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Redamare on September 12, 2018, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: https://amp.thekitchn.com/pie-vs-tart-whats-the-differen-68710
A pie is a sweet or savory dish with a crust and a filling. The sides of a pie dish or pan are slopedIt can have a just a bottom, just a top, or both a bottom and a top crust. A pie crust is traditionally made of flour, salt, cold water, and lard (or shortening) but many pie crust recipes use a combination of fats such as butter, lard, or vegetable shortening, or just butter. The goal is a crisp, flaky crust. Pies are served straight from the dish in which they were baked.

A tart is a sweet or savory dish with shallow sides and only a bottom crust. Tart crusts are usually made from pastry dough: traditionally flour, unsalted butter, cold water, and sometimes sugar. The goal is a firm, crumbly crust. Tarts are baked in a pan with a removable bottom, or in pastry ring on top of a baking sheet so that it can be unmolded before serving.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 12, 2018, 10:59:49 PM
Dean Martin is not wrong, Pizza is pie  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnFlx2Lnr9Q

in every way

(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6413743104/h978072DA/)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 12, 2018, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: https://amp.thekitchn.com/pie-vs-tart-whats-the-differen-68710
A pie is a sweet or savory dish with a crust and a filling. The sides of a pie dish or pan are slopedIt can have a just a bottom, just a top, or both a bottom and a top crust. A pie crust is traditionally made of flour, salt, cold water, and lard (or shortening) but many pie crust recipes use a combination of fats such as butter, lard, or vegetable shortening, or just butter. The goal is a crisp, flaky crust. Pies are served straight from the dish in which they were baked.

A tart is a sweet or savory dish with shallow sides and only a bottom crust. Tart crusts are usually made from pastry dough: traditionally flour, unsalted butter, cold water, and sometimes sugar. The goal is a firm, crumbly crust. Tarts are baked in a pan with a removable bottom, or in pastry ring on top of a baking sheet so that it can be unmolded before serving.

That's one opinion.  ;D
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: The Latinist on September 12, 2018, 11:46:35 PM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
What about a key-lime pie, or a lemon pie, or any of the other types of pie with no upper crust? Are they tarts?

What if you just do a kind of a dough lattice as an upper crust, covering less surface? Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?

What about a Tarte Tatin? They have no height, no rim of crust.

(Tart is synonymous with pie. It's just the French word for pie. No other language that I'm aware of makes the distinction that you cite above.)

That doesn’t mean that he’s wrong about the meaning of the word in English, nor is the French etymology dispositive.  English borrows many words from other languages, which it frequently uses to express distinctions that often aren’t possible in other languages.  For instance, we borrowed the French words for animals (beef, pork, etc.) and use them for the flesh of that animal when used as a food.  French makes no distinction between the cow chewing its cud in a pasture and the beef I ate for dinner.  Does that mean that there is no distinction in English? Our multitude of near-synonyms is part of the richness of the language.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: brilligtove on September 13, 2018, 12:12:37 AM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
What about a key-lime pie, or a lemon pie, or any of the other types of pie with no upper crust? Are they tarts?

What if you just do a kind of a dough lattice as an upper crust, covering less surface? Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?

What about a Tarte Tatin? They have no height, no rim of crust.

(Tart is synonymous with pie. It's just the French word for pie. No other language that I'm aware of makes the distinction that you cite above.)

That doesn’t mean that he’s wrong about the meaning of the word in English, nor is the French etymology dispositive.  English borrows many words from other languages, which it frequently uses to express distinctions that often aren’t possible in other languages.  For instance, we borrowed the French words for animals (beef, pork, etc.) and use them for the flesh of that animal when used as a food.  French makes no distinction between the cow chewing its cud in a pasture and the beef I ate for dinner.  Does that mean that there is no distinction in English? Our multitude of near-synonyms is part of the richness of the language.

You made me look up dispositive (https://www.google.ca/search?q=dispositive&oq=dispositive&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8). That makes me happy.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 13, 2018, 03:14:09 AM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie". It's not a pie. A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top. If it has height, but no pastry crust on top, then it's a tart. Chicago-style pizza could therefore be considered a tart, but a regular pizza needs to be more or less flat. It is cooked on a flat pan, not in a pie tin.

This is my opinion, of course - see my recent apology for seeming to proscribe language usage based on my personal opinions. A pizza is flat, with no crust on top - I make an exception for Chicago-style - and is therefore not a pie.
What about a key-lime pie, or a lemon pie, or any of the other types of pie with no upper crust? Are they tarts?

What if you just do a kind of a dough lattice as an upper crust, covering less surface? Is there a percentage of coverage that is required before you can call your lattice-covered cherry pie a pie?

What about a Tarte Tatin? They have no height, no rim of crust.

(Tart is synonymous with pie. It's just the French word for pie. No other language that I'm aware of makes the distinction that you cite above.)

That doesn’t mean that he’s wrong about the meaning of the word in English, nor is the French etymology dispositive.  English borrows many words from other languages, which it frequently uses to express distinctions that often aren’t possible in other languages.  For instance, we borrowed the French words for animals (beef, pork, etc.) and use them for the flesh of that animal when used as a food.  French makes no distinction between the cow chewing its cud in a pasture and the beef I ate for dinner.  Does that mean that there is no distinction in English? Our multitude of near-synonyms is part of the richness of the language.
Well, first, no; French actually does make a distinction between the animal and the meat. We don't eat "vache" ("cow") or taureau ("ox" or "steer"), we eat "bœuf" ("beef"), to use your example. But that's not really related to this discussion.

The point is that "tart" and "pie" are synonymous in English unless you make weirdly arbitrary distinctions between upper crust and no upper crust, which goes against common usage everywhere in the English speaking world (except in arth's house and maybe parts of Oz?). Which is probably because of etymology (i.e. the French provenance, in this case) or maybe (and this answer is simple and makes more sense to me) just because the conventions in European baking terminology are French.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 13, 2018, 06:59:54 AM
Another fine example of my point.
However, a solid top does keep out the blackbirds, unless there are more than two dozen.

(https://www.pauladeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2/0/20100914_pd_food_160_1.jpg)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: moj on September 13, 2018, 09:43:46 AM
If you google "define pie" this is what comes up

Quote
pie1
pī/Submit
noun
a baked dish of fruit, or meat and vegetables, typically with a top and base of pastry.
synonyms:   pastry, tart, turnover
"the enticing aroma of fresh-baked pies"
US
a pizza
.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: gebobs on September 13, 2018, 09:48:29 AM
Off topic but most pizza shops seam to sell them now and it fits in with regional food. Buffalo wings, what do you call them in Buffalo? More and more I see them called "hot wings" here in Atlanta. Did you know they eat more of them here than there? I bet different regions have their own way of making these too and we could argue if they are "true buffalo wings" or not.  To me original would be Franks red hot, butter, pinch of cayenne pepper over fried non breaded wings.

I'm in East Cobb so I'm familiar with the term hot wings. In Buffalo, they're just wings.

Quote
Hooters breads theirs so is it still a buffalo wing?

Gawd no. ;-)

Quote
I bet you cant get Lemon Pepper Wet,

Now everyone has them down here because of this scene from ATL but JR Crickets the originator still makes them the best, they changed the name to Lemon Pepper wet because of the scene but they have had them for years.  First they lemon pepper them then smoother them in original sauce.

I've never heard of that joint. Any good? Sounds delish.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: The Latinist on September 13, 2018, 10:02:00 AM
Well, first, no; French actually does make a distinction between the animal and the meat. We don't eat "vache" ("cow") or taureau ("ox" or "steer"), we eat "bœuf" ("beef"), to use your example. But that's not really related to this discussion.

My apologies; I had it backward. It was in English before the Norman conquest that no distinction was made.

Quote
The point is that "tart" and "pie" are synonymous in English unless you make weirdly arbitrary distinctions between upper crust and no upper crust, which goes against common usage everywhere in the English speaking world (except in arth's house and maybe parts of Oz?). Which is probably because of etymology (i.e. the French provenance, in this case) or maybe (and this answer is simple and makes more sense to me) just because the conventions in European baking terminology are French.

It's not true, though, that it goes against the common usage, at least not in the United States. The use of 'tart', at least, is, in fact, almost always restricted to pastries without a top crust. The restriction of 'pie' to items with a top crust may be changing, but I have never in my 40 years heard a pastry with a top crust referred to as a tart.

And, of course, Art was at pains this time to say that he was expressing his own usage preference, which makes any attempt to accuse him of pedantic prescriptivism rather pointless...especially when one's basis for the claim is a tenuous etymological one.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: gebobs on September 13, 2018, 10:49:53 AM
Dean Martin is not wrong, Pizza is pie  :P


Dino was half drunk most the time. And didn't write the song anyway.

Jack Brooks, the fifth most famous Liverpudlian lyricist just behind Sir Richard Starkey, wrote it. He didn't know a thing about pizza. In fact, I have it on good authority that he never even visited Napoli. I think he just made the whole damn thing up!
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 13, 2018, 10:56:51 AM
Well, first, no; French actually does make a distinction between the animal and the meat. We don't eat "vache" ("cow") or taureau ("ox" or "steer"), we eat "bœuf" ("beef"), to use your example. But that's not really related to this discussion.

My apologies; I had it backward. It was in English before the Norman conquest that no distinction was made.

Quote
The point is that "tart" and "pie" are synonymous in English unless you make weirdly arbitrary distinctions between upper crust and no upper crust, which goes against common usage everywhere in the English speaking world (except in arth's house and maybe parts of Oz?). Which is probably because of etymology (i.e. the French provenance, in this case) or maybe (and this answer is simple and makes more sense to me) just because the conventions in European baking terminology are French.

It's not true, though, that it goes against the common usage, at least not in the United States. The use of 'tart', at least, is, in fact, almost always restricted to pastries without a top crust. The restriction of 'pie' to items with a top crust may be changing, but I have never in my 40 years heard a pastry with a top crust referred to as a tart.

And, of course, Art was at pains this time to say that he was expressing his own usage preference, which makes any attempt to accuse him of pedantic prescriptivism rather pointless...especially when one's basis for the claim is a tenuous etymological one.
I don't think the etymological link is tenuous. The word tart is directly from French. It describes the same object or class thereof. It comes from the same baking tradition.

Sure, there is such a thing as a tart. But the distinction cannot be the top crust. There are plenty of pies without a top crust, as demonstrated above, which are not called tarts. So I am still waiting for this distinction to be elucidated.

It was made clear that arth was just expressing a personal preference, not a general prescription. I don't agree with it, for reasons of keylime pie.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: The Latinist on September 13, 2018, 11:34:56 AM
Sure, there is such a thing as a tart. But the distinction cannot be the top crust.

And yet:

Quote from: American Heritage Dictionary
tart
2 a. A pastry shell with shallow sides, no top crust, and any of various fillings.

Quote from: Merriam Webster's Dictionary
tart: a dish baked in a pastry shell : pie: such as
a : a small pie or pastry shell without a top containing jelly, custard, or fruit

Quote from: Wiktionary
tart (plural tarts)
A type of small open pie, or piece of pastry, containing jelly or conserve; a sort of fruit pie.

Quote from: Google Dictionary
tart: an open pastry case containing a filling.

Seeing a trend?  Whether you think it makes sense in light of the etymology or not, that's the (or at least a) common definition of tart in English.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: random poet on September 13, 2018, 12:21:01 PM
And yet there are things with no top crust that are still called pies.

The part about having "jelly, custard or fruit", or "jelly or conserve" is a much more credible avenue of examination.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: mindme on September 13, 2018, 12:51:47 PM
It really went off the rails when he cooked it in the microwave.

There was an Italian restaurant chain in Korea that cooked everything in microwaves. Still part of the parody. Trust me.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on September 13, 2018, 01:27:33 PM
That Korean Pizza is a joke right? Like eating Tide Pods? That can't be real.

It's parody but shockingly close to the truth.

Korean tacos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_taco) are a thing, though. I must try it some day. Probably I could find all the necessary ingredients here and make it myself, but I'd still like to try the original in in the US. I'm not a very sophisticated cook.

And I am pleased that this more light-hearted thread of mine was able to provoke some discussion. :)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: The Latinist on September 13, 2018, 01:32:23 PM
And yet there are things with no top crust that are still called pies.

The part about having "jelly, custard or fruit", or "jelly or conserve" is a much more credible avenue of examination.

I am not really talking about the definition of pie; I am challenging your assertion that 'tart' and 'pie' are synonymous.  If that were the case, then this would be a tart, as it most certainly is not.

(https://www.tasteofhome.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/exps6086_HB133235C07_19_4b_WEB-696x696.jpg)

For reference, this is an apple tart:

(https://www.joyofbaking.com/images/frenchappletart.jpg)


Other typical characteristics of tarts are relatively low and straight-sided shells.  They also tend to have a somewhat harder crust.  If I had to guess, deserts like key lime pie are so called because they are baked in a sloped-sided pie pan.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: The Latinist on September 13, 2018, 01:36:21 PM
Semantic discussion of pies vs. tarts aside, I'll get back to pizza.  Captain Video's examples express my opinion pretty well.  Also, Chicago-style 'pizza' is a casserole, not a pizza.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: wastrel on September 13, 2018, 01:40:44 PM
Semantic discussion of pies vs. tarts aside, I'll get back to pizza.  Captain Video's examples express my opinion pretty well.  Also, Chicago-style 'pizza' is a casserole, not a pizza.

I also question that deep dish is truly Chicago style.  That certainly exists as a touristy thing, but in listening to people from Chicago, their typical day to day pizza is thin crust.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: The Latinist on September 13, 2018, 02:20:17 PM
Semantic discussion of pies vs. tarts aside, I'll get back to pizza.  Captain Video's examples express my opinion pretty well.  Also, Chicago-style 'pizza' is a casserole, not a pizza.

I also question that deep dish is truly Chicago style.  That certainly exists as a touristy thing, but in listening to people from Chicago, their typical day to day pizza is thin crust.

Fair enough, though I'm pretty sure the guys from Cog Dis eat deep dish regularly.

Myself, I'm partial to New Haven-style pizza (or apizza):

(http://www.cookography.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ct-pizza-2969-600px.jpg)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: seamas on September 13, 2018, 02:25:24 PM
I can't get on board with calling a pizza a "pie".
Then you are wrong.
Quote from: arthwollipot
It's not a pie.
Yes it is. When I go to a pizzaria and ask for a large cheese pie, I get a whole pizza. If I ask for a slice and a side of knots, I get a slice of pie and some knots.
Quote from: arthwollipot
A pie has height, and it has a pastry crust on top.
Some do do. Pizza is a type of pie that doesn't.
Quote from: arthwollipot
This is my opinion, of course -
An opinion not based on facts. 
Who are we going to believe, you or Sal? Or Tony G? or Big Vinnie? Or Paul?
GOOD DAY.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: HighPockets on September 13, 2018, 02:31:01 PM
And I am pleased that this more light-hearted thread of mine was able to provoke some discussion. :)

I concur, the fact that we can take a side on *anything* and discuss it with humor and respect makes this a great place to hang out.

I couldn't eat "Chicago" Style on a regular pizza eating basis, but that photo looks delicious. I would eat that on a regular pizza eating basis.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 13, 2018, 02:43:43 PM
That Korean Pizza is a joke right? Like eating Tide Pods? That can't be real.

It's parody but shockingly close to the truth.

Korean tacos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_taco) are a thing, though. I must try it some day. Probably I could find all the necessary ingredients here and make it myself, but I'd still like to try the original in in the US. I'm not a very sophisticated cook.

And I am pleased that this more light-hearted thread of mine was able to provoke some discussion. :)

Love them!  Its a perfect street food and makes sense as those two cultures came together in LA. They have moved to restaurants now and are mostly run by Koreans or at least the ones I visit are. 

We also have sushi burritos but there are no Mexican ingredients, Its just the size and shape of a big roll that looks like a burrito. Mostly served at Poke restaurants which are popping up like flies all over the city. 

I love the Poke but I know Hawaiians are not happy about it as its not like the Poke served there, much like my pizza argument you could probably say the new Poke places are not "real" Poke.  Yet another California created concoction but this time like the Korean Tacos its a home run.

In Hawaii its pre-made and marinaded with assorted ingredients.  These new places make it to order "subway" style where you pick what you want in it. Every chain or restaurant seems to do it differently so there is no standard. I like some more than others but even the worst places are excellent eating. I could never get tired of raw tuna with stuff on it LOL
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: amysrevenge on September 13, 2018, 02:52:28 PM
Usage-wise in my part of the world,

1) All tarts are pies.

2) All pies are not tarts.

Tart is a sub-set of pie, not a non-intersecting set.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: brilligtove on September 13, 2018, 03:23:41 PM
It is almost as if these words have some regional variations in use, along with ambiguities and exceptions. Weird how nature do that.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: The Latinist on September 13, 2018, 05:23:27 PM
Usage-wise in my part of the world,

1) All tarts are pies.

2) All pies are not tarts.

Tart is a sub-set of pie, not a non-intersecting set.

To me, your second point appears to be saying that no tarts are pies, which directly contradicts your first point. Did you mean, "not all pies are tarts"?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 13, 2018, 05:41:23 PM
If you google "define pie" this is what comes up

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pie1
pī/Submit
noun
a baked dish of fruit, or meat and vegetables, typically with a top and base of pastry.
synonyms:   pastry, tart, turnover
"the enticing aroma of fresh-baked pies"
US
a pizza
.
typically  ::)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 13, 2018, 06:13:10 PM
And yet there are things with no top crust that are still called pies.

The part about having "jelly, custard or fruit", or "jelly or conserve" is a much more credible avenue of examination.

Some tarts are indeed called pies. Some pizzas are called pies. That doesn't mean that they actually are pies, just that they are called that.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Redamare on September 13, 2018, 06:40:50 PM
Are you going all Aristotle on us?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 13, 2018, 06:55:28 PM
I had a great pizza the other night with pepperoni, ground beef, chilli flakes and dried Aristotle. It was delicious!
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: amysrevenge on September 13, 2018, 07:28:27 PM
I had a great pizza the other night with pepperoni, ground beef, chilli flakes and dried Aristotle. It was delicious!

You haven't lived until you've had fresh Aristotle.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 13, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I had a great pizza the other night with pepperoni, ground beef, chilli flakes and dried Aristotle. It was delicious!

You haven't lived until you've had fresh Aristotle.

I used to grow it in my garden, but then it died.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: stretcher on September 16, 2018, 03:40:46 AM
An actual, literal pizza pie would be something. I think I'll make one tomorrow.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 16, 2018, 11:24:20 AM
An actual, literal pizza pie would be something. I think I'll make one tomorrow.
Salsiccia, please. 
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 20, 2018, 12:37:25 AM
I found another Not-Pizza

Crab Rangoon Pizza.  Aside from that being fake crab I think I want to try this one. It looks good. Crab Rangoon is a guilty pleasure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuocoepKzU

Which reminds me, I'm guilty of making "not-pizzas" at home, sometimes a use a Boboli shell, sometimes I purchase pre-made dough.  I use a pizza stone but I have never had an oven capable of providing enough heat to make a proper pizza.  I may invest in one of the Webber grill pizza oven covers. I have a real sauce recipe that uses "Full Red" sauce a common pizza restaurant base and its pretty comparable. I prefer a whole milk low moisture mozzarella but the Sargento brand I used to buy is getting harder to find in the stores.

I'm curious what you think of one of my specialties, it has a few variations.

Swiss Cheese Fondue Pizza

Easy version
Get a box of pre-made Swiss Cheese Fondue. Remove it from the package and stir well so that any wine that has separated gets folded back into the cheese.
Spread it over a pizza shell or dough, be careful not to put on too much, it will liquefy into a thick sauce when it bakes. Top with grated Swiss cheese (preferably Gruyère and/or Emmentaler but domestic will do if you are on a budget and If you have those expensive cheeses you mite as well make the hard version)
Sprinkle some fresh grated nutmeg on top and if using domestic cheese sprinkle a little salt and bake (add optional toppings if you like)

Harder Version

Make a true Swiss cheese fondue then follow the above instructions.

Grated Gruyère and/or Emmentaler cheese, 50/50 is good but I usually add more Gruyère (add a little flour to your fresh grated cheese and it wont clump together)
If you are on a budget you could still use domestic and it will be pretty good but better yet try to get a smaller piece of Gruyère and mix that in with the cheaper cheese.
Garlic
White wine
Kirsch (good luck finding this on a whim, you can omit it or substitute some brandy)
Nutmeg
salt and pepper

Melt all that together (plenty of instructions for making this properly online) but cook it a little longer than usual so that it thickens up a bit.

let it cool to a little warmer than room temperature before adding it to your pie tart Boboli shell or dough

Optional toppings
You could bake these with the dish or sprinkle them on cold after baking, I have tried both ways and cant decide which is better
Diced granny smith apples
or
Diced tomato

You could probably add several other things, prosciutto, maybe caramelized onions, but I prefer to use the above. My original had the apples but I subbed tomatoes one day since none were available and it worked so now I make it both ways. I think its best to choose something that complements the cheese without overpowering it.  Fresh grated nutmeg is important.

Does anyone else have any "Not-Pizza" recipes?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: brilligtove on September 20, 2018, 12:54:39 AM
...

Bookmarked for later use.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 20, 2018, 02:10:13 AM
They sell fondue in pre-made boxes???
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Post by: Captain Video on September 20, 2018, 02:41:08 AM
They sell fondue in pre-made boxes???

There are several brands, most grocery stores here tend to only sell one brand, in the box there is a thick foil package, some are not refrigerated. The flavor is usually spot on but I'm sure its not all expensive cheese or it would cost more. between $7 and $9 US

https://www.amazon.com/Swiss-Knight-Cheese-Fondue-14/dp/B000CD5RXU

its also good folded into an omelet but again you have to remember to mix the wine back in as it tends to separate.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on September 20, 2018, 02:57:47 AM
Ugh.

Sorry, but... ugh.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 20, 2018, 07:24:29 AM
"So, do you two ... fondue?" Captain America to Agent Carter.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: RGU on September 20, 2018, 01:48:59 PM
Here is a good theory
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/263732/where-does-pizza-pie-originate

It sounds like Americans called it pie because they didn't know what a Pizza was.
And then they were told, and American's being American's couldn't admit they were wrong so said...
"Yeah  yeah, that is what I said - A Pizza pie.. you know a pie for short" And yet they were still wrong :)

Just because American's call it a pie doesn't make it so.
Just like a Land Rover is not a Jeep just because everybody on that British-French show "Death in paradise" calls it a Jeep. A Jeep is a Jeep!
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: seamas on September 20, 2018, 02:00:56 PM
Here is a good theory
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/263732/where-does-pizza-pie-originate

It sounds like Americans called it pie because they didn't know what a Pizza was.
And then they were told, and American's being American's couldn't admit they were wrong so said...
"Yeah  yeah, that is what I said - A Pizza pie.. you know a pie for short" And yet they were still wrong :)

Just because American's call it a pie doesn't make it so.
Just like a Land Rover is not a Jeep just because everybody on that British-French show "Death in paradise" calls it a Jeep. A Jeep is a Jeep!

Most Americans don't necessarily call it pie, it is a regional thing--used by people in the most heavily Italian American cities by people who spoke both languages.  They sure as FUCK knew what it was.
You buy pizza by the slice or by the pie. Simple as that.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: SkeptiQueer on September 20, 2018, 02:08:37 PM
I think technically pizza is just a calzone with the top down, or a baked cheesecake.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: RGU on September 20, 2018, 02:36:12 PM
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They sure as FUCK knew what it was.
You buy pizza by the slice or by the pie. Simple as that.
In 1897?
You sure that they were "sure as FUCK"?
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 20, 2018, 02:46:49 PM
Here is a good theory
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/263732/where-does-pizza-pie-originate

It sounds like Americans called it pie because they didn't know what a Pizza was.
And then they were told, and American's being American's couldn't admit they were wrong so said...
"Yeah  yeah, that is what I said - A Pizza pie. you know a pie for short" And yet they were still wrong :)

Just because American's call it a pie doesn't make it so.
Just like a Land Rover is not a Jeep just because everybody on that British-French show "Death in paradise" calls it a Jeep. A Jeep is a Jeep!

I'm from Allentown which had both a strong NY and Philly influence, to me its either a pie or a slice.   Its probably PA Dutch Germans who screwed it up. We have Bott boi (pot pie) which is not a pie at all and is closer to chicken and dumplings from the south with no crust, also Shoo fly Pie which is closer to a treacle tart or cake with a shortening crust. PA Dutch people say everything backwards so I wouldn't be surprised if they (or other German immigrants) started the confusion.

The thing about that article that stands out is that a "Tomato Pie" is a whole other dish that comes from Philly and New Jersey. Its basically a Sicilian pizza without cheese, or in Jersey, sauce on top of cheese. but the dough is different in both and the sauce has a different flavor profile than NY Pie.

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But what is a tomato pie exactly? Certain tomato pies, like the ones popular in Philadelphia bakeries, clearly trace their roots back to Sicily, where thick, rectangular pizzas were topped with chopped tomatoes, anchovies, onions, and oregano — but rarely ever cheese — before sliding into wood-fired ovens.
https://www.eater.com/2016/8/19/12525602/tomato-pie-philadelphia-new-jersey

We haven't really discussed Sicilian style pizza yet, its not my favorite

 In the south they have a tomato pie which has a more traditional shortening crust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_tomato_pie

Food history fascinates me as much as cooking it.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: RGU on September 20, 2018, 02:59:33 PM
How about this, if you haven't eaten here then your opinion doesn't count :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antica_Pizzeria_Port%27Alba

I have, and I say it is Pizza... not Pie  ;D
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: seamas on September 20, 2018, 03:36:08 PM
Quote
They sure as FUCK knew what it was.
You buy pizza by the slice or by the pie. Simple as that.
In 1897?
You sure that they were "sure as FUCK"?

Fuck yes.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: seamas on September 20, 2018, 03:37:19 PM
How about this, if you haven't eaten here then your opinion doesn't count :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antica_Pizzeria_Port%27Alba

I have, and I say it is Pizza... not Pie  ;D

You just ordered a slice?
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Post by: The Latinist on September 20, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
God, I hate prescriptivists.
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Post by: HighPockets on September 20, 2018, 05:20:54 PM
Let's go one step further, I have in-laws that call a Pizza a pie and a pot of tomato sauce "gravy." -old world Italians.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on September 20, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
Let's go one step further, I have in-laws that call a Pizza a pie and a pot of tomato sauce "gravy." -old world Italians.

(https://i.imgur.com/wUyGofB.gif)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 20, 2018, 08:22:08 PM
How about this, if you haven't eaten here then your opinion doesn't count :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antica_Pizzeria_Port%27Alba

I have, and I say it is Pizza... not Pie  ;D

Yea yea, I'm going to put Italy in my top three places I want to eat at someday. I revere the food and everything about it. I would love to eat at that place. I bet its fantastic. That said I doubt the pizza there even comes close to a NY pie.  >:D

Let's go one step further, I have in-laws that call a Pizza a pie and a pot of tomato sauce "gravy." -old world Italians[/s]

New Jersey and the tri state area?

Fuhgettaboutit!
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: HighPockets on September 21, 2018, 12:16:25 PM
Let's go one step further, I have in-laws that call a Pizza a pie and a pot of tomato sauce "gravy." -old world Italians[/s]

New Jersey and the tri state area?

Fuhgettaboutit!

Chicago, but I guess I don't actually know where their roots are from.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on September 21, 2018, 01:31:05 PM
Reminds me of the episode on the Sopranos when they go to Naples.  When sitting at the restaurant Paulie wanted to know where was the "Macaroni and Gravy" and the Italians remarked that he had less taste than the Germans.  LOL

I get it though, an Italian Pizza is not the same thing as NY style and everyone will have their own preference.
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Post by: Beleth on September 26, 2018, 11:07:52 PM
When my kid wants to start up a conversation with someone he doesn't know well, he asks them "Is a hot dog a sandwich?"

Those conversations go on for eight pages too.  ;)
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Post by: jt512 on September 27, 2018, 12:14:42 AM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.


I don't know about the French, but I've spent most of the last three months in the Netherlands, and (1) the Dutch consume massive quantities of French fries (who knew?), and (2) they consume them with massive quantities of mayonnaise. 
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Post by: brilligtove on September 27, 2018, 12:52:04 AM
When my kid wants to start up a conversation with someone he doesn't know well, he asks them "Is a hot dog a sandwich?"

Those conversations go on for eight pages too.  ;)

holy shit all my social anxiety can be erased with one question give that kid a nobel or something <head spinning>
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: brilligtove on September 27, 2018, 12:55:15 AM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.


I don't know about the French, but I've spent most of the last three months in the Netherlands, and (1) the Dutch consume massive quantities of French fries (who knew?), and (2) they consume them with massive quantities of mayonnaise. 
Mayo on fried potato is good, but not the apex of culinary delight. It has a time and place and serves admirably in those conditions. Peppered beef gravy and fries, beef-fat fried fat fries with malt vinegar, and mid-profile dusted veg-oil fries with salt... they all have a place in my hearteries.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: jt512 on September 27, 2018, 12:57:12 AM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.


I don't know about the French, but I've spent most of the last three months in the Netherlands, and (1) the Dutch consume massive quantities of French fries (who knew?), and (2) they consume them with massive quantities of mayonnaise. 
Mayo on fried potato is good, but not the apex of culinary delight. It has a time and place and serves admirably in those conditions. Peppered beef gravy and fries, beef-fat fried fat fries with malt vinegar, and mid-profile dusted veg-oil fries with salt... they all have a place in my hearteries.


Just reading that gave me a minor heart attack.
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Post by: arthwollipot on September 27, 2018, 12:59:47 AM
Chips with gravy is pretty much the norm here.
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Post by: wastrel on September 27, 2018, 01:04:23 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn3n14jU0AAIJqo.jpg)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: jt512 on September 27, 2018, 01:07:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn3n14jU0AAIJqo.jpg)


If I knew Carbshark's address, I would totally order him one of these.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: brilligtove on September 27, 2018, 01:16:02 AM
All that comes to mind is "Christ on a cracker" but that doesn't really cover this lich-god waxsugar flatfuckbread thing.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 27, 2018, 06:08:31 AM
When my kid wants to start up a conversation with someone he doesn't know well, he asks them "Is a hot dog a sandwich?"

Those conversations go on for eight pages too.  ;)

holy shit all my social anxiety can be erased with one question give that kid a nobel or something <head spinning>

"How do you talk so easily to total strangers?"

"Well, they're all nude..." (People wonder about my small smile.)
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: moj on September 27, 2018, 03:11:40 PM
According to Ryan Reynolds the French put mayo on their fries.


I don't know about the French, but I've spent most of the last three months in the Netherlands, and (1) the Dutch consume massive quantities of French fries (who knew?), and (2) they consume them with massive quantities of mayonnaise. 
Mayo on fried potato is good, but not the apex of culinary delight. It has a time and place and serves admirably in those conditions. Peppered beef gravy and fries, beef-fat fried fat fries with malt vinegar, and mid-profile dusted veg-oil fries with salt... they all have a place in my hearteries.

No cheese curds? #notrealpoutinewithoutcurds!  I love poutine, the US is getting a tiny bit better at it, I know a few places that sort of make, but nothing like what I had in Montreal. So good!
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on June 02, 2019, 08:11:13 PM
https://www.8satire.com/dinosaurs-got-extinct-liked-pineapple-pizza-new-study-claims/?fbclid=IwAR0WWhzPoZExGLAShEF8JFzFBkfbTlPdgrIdqT9RiovmujE0qO6nQN884QY

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A new study claims that dinosaurs probably got extinct because they liked pineapple on their pizzas. This is suggested by a group of scientists by the University of Juan Perez in New Mexico, who came to this conclusion after analyzing several samples of dinosaurs. After studying the samples for several hours, they could obtain the composition of what those dinosaurs used to eat when they were alive. They analyzed it and realized that maybe that was the reason why they got extinct.

Obviously the article is satire, If dinosaurs were capable of putting pineapple on pizza I'm certain they would have become extinct much sooner.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on June 09, 2019, 01:56:53 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51KbN85aVsL._SY355_.jpg)
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Post by: SnarlPatrick on June 20, 2019, 05:17:21 PM
Pizza is meant to have tomato sauce. Hearing about Tzatziki pizza, or Tikka Masala pizza, or even Alfredo pizza is nauseating.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: arthwollipot on June 20, 2019, 08:42:48 PM
I've been trying to find out whether white pizza (pizza bianca) is traditional or not. It's not easy. Every search I do just produces recipes.
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Post by: brilligtove on June 20, 2019, 08:55:35 PM
It can be quite delicious, traditional or not.
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Post by: arthwollipot on June 20, 2019, 09:31:12 PM
It can be quite delicious, traditional or not.

Yes, I agree. But I'm pretty casual about my pizzas. I'll have any standard pizza toppings up to and including furry fish. I'm not a fan of other kinds of seafood though. And I can't eat fatty meats. If it's cooked long enough that the fat is no longer soft it's fine, but soft fat literally makes me gag.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Captain Video on June 24, 2019, 02:20:53 PM
I've been trying to find out whether white pizza (pizza bianca) is traditional or not. It's not easy. Every search I do just produces recipes.

Thats a really good question, It probably is traditional, Lombardi's sells them (the first pizzeria)

Also the clam pie which is close to pizza bianca.

I found this article that briefly discusses Pizza Bianca in Rome before going on about their own pies
https://www.pizzatoday.com/departments/in-the-kitchen/2009-august-pizza-bianco/

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In Rome, the pizza bianca exemplifies Italy’s simple, exquisite cuisine with its dough brushed with olive oil, sprinkled with sea salt and finished with fresh rosemary. Other versions see dough topped with garlic and olive oil, then dolloped with fragrant, beautiful Italian cheeses. Perhaps wood-roasted wild mushrooms share space with those cheeses, or fennel sausage or sautéed spinach.

I like a white pie (assuming its an actual pizza and not corporate sugar bread) I dont like the kind where they overload it with ricotta. I find that cheese to be overly bland and better suited to a lasagna with bolognese sauce.

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Post by: brilligtove on June 26, 2019, 01:16:51 PM
Perfection!

(https://i.imgur.com/JHh8u4o.jpg)
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Post by: Captain Video on June 26, 2019, 04:36:46 PM
Perfection!

(https://i.imgur.com/JHh8u4o.jpg)

Sous vide pizza or pizza soup?

Sous vide would not be a horrible way to reheat a slice. Now I want to try it and see what happens.
Title: Re: What's wrong with those pizzas? (Images)
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on June 26, 2019, 06:13:45 PM
I've been trying to find out whether white pizza (pizza bianca) is traditional or not. It's not easy. Every search I do just produces recipes.
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Another version of Italian pizza originated in Rome. Roman pizza is called “pizza bianca,” meaning white pizza. There are a couple different versions of this, but none of them include tomato sauce.

https://giordanos.com/styles-of-pizza-around-the-world/
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Post by: Captain Video on June 26, 2019, 06:28:35 PM
This guy pulled it off but I think you should run a temp higher than 150 degrees which is the temp that mozzarella melts at. I would also use a different searing method. A hot iron or stone surface for the bottom and a quick torch on top would do nicely. 30 seconds tops.

This is a great way to quickly go from frozen like he did in the video. I don't think it would take as long as he said in the video, 5-10 minutes in the bath should be enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eVoL97VKN0

Edit: who TF eats pizza with a fork and knife?, what a savage! You fold that shit in half and stuff it in your mouth!  >:D
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Post by: arthwollipot on July 01, 2019, 03:39:10 AM
I've been trying to find out whether white pizza (pizza bianca) is traditional or not. It's not easy. Every search I do just produces recipes.
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Another version of Italian pizza originated in Rome. Roman pizza is called “pizza bianca,” meaning white pizza. There are a couple different versions of this, but none of them include tomato sauce.

https://giordanos.com/styles-of-pizza-around-the-world/

It "originated" in Rome, sure, but did it originate in Rome in 1760, or did it originate in Rome in 1986?