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Title: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 05, 2019, 02:05:29 PM
The SGU rogues are proud self-proclaimed nerds. Or at least the boys, if I'm not mistaken, Cara is a bit less into it. References abound, and at least once when they discussed recent passings in science and skepticism (clearly relevant to the podcast), they also discussed recent passings in science fiction (maybe not so relevant to the podcast). Not often, but sometimes, I wonder if they when looking back would have preferred to start a nerd culture podcast, rather than a skeptical podcast. They do get to live that out in their other podcast though.

Would you consider yourself a nerd?

My "nerd credibility" would not be very big. I am a sucker for Lord of the Rings. That entire world really, not just centered on the fellowship members that the books and subsequent movies focus on. I loved Star Wars as a kid. Now as an adult, I think they are good movies absolutely, but I think that universe lacks the depth of the LotR universe, it doens't captivate me as strongly. As a kid and teenager I was also an avid gamer, but not necessarily focused on games centered on science fiction or fantasy. I sure played such games, but certainly not only such games. As an adult, I'd love to play more computer games, but on weekdays after working I am simply too tired, and on weekends I have other chores (like doing laundry), so these times I play computer games occasionally on weekends. And of course not narrowly focused on science fiction or fanasy.

I am deeply interested in history, especially ancient history. Had there been a job market for it, I'd have loved to study it at university. But that is typically not considered a nerdy interest in the classical sense.

What about you?
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: amysrevenge on February 05, 2019, 02:09:41 PM
I'm both a traditional 1970s-1980s "there are no social positives only social negatives" nerd, and a modern "nerds are cool" nerd.

Teacher's pet, math genius, dungeons and dragons, reading for (gasp!) fun, star wars toys, all of it.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Ah.hell on February 05, 2019, 02:40:03 PM
I was voted "most intellectual" in high school.
I've read all of the Dune books, the originals before leaving highschool, and even like the Lynch Movie.
I've even read the Silmarillon.

While watching Rick and Morty, I noted the reference to Zardoz on an episode and I"m proud to have introduced my wife to the image of Sean Connery in whatever the hell that was he was wearing in the movie.

I also have an interest in history and ancient history in particular. 

I've believed that Pluto was not a planet Since the discovery of the Kuiper Belt. 

I've never liked Star Wars much on account of it being fantasy in Sci Fi Clothing.

Edit to add, I attended a Dr Who convention in Junior High. 
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on February 05, 2019, 03:18:45 PM
*Love science and science-fiction, knows all five Captains of the Enterprise in order as well as the classes of all six Enterprises shown in the series and movies.

*Had a collection of over seventeen thousand comics and now has several hard cover reprint volumes of classics comics.   Knows what the acronym SHAZAM means and can recite the Green Lantern oath from memory

*Hundreds of SF paperbacks and hardcovers, knows Asimov's Three Laws of robotics and Clarke's Law, been to over 50 SF conventions. Dozens of books on Ancient Rome, American Civil War, WWI and WWII.

*No interest in sports, picked on in school, 56 years old and still has never had a girlfriend (last date was in July 1999), wears glasses, has cat, watches Jeopardy every night (plays with cat and loses).

Yeah, I'm a frakin' nerd.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 05, 2019, 03:34:15 PM
Dozens of books on Ancient Rome, American Civil War, WWI and WWII.

Is interest in history considered nerdy? I didn't know that. Can someone please clarify? The whole concept of "nerd" is somewhat vague.

No interest in sports, picked on in school

Yep, that is me too.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: wastrel on February 05, 2019, 05:50:03 PM
Moderately for me.

I haven't kept up with any randoms in a while, so I lack the deep knowledge of certain Sci-Fi or other nerdy ventures, but my tastes still swing to the classical "nerd" varieties.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on February 05, 2019, 07:26:30 PM
Dozens of books on Ancient Rome, American Civil War, WWI and WWII.

Is interest in history considered nerdy? I didn't know that. Can someone please clarify? The whole concept of "nerd" is somewhat vague.

No interest in sports, picked on in school

Yep, that is me too.

Actually, I've found being interested in ANYTHING other than sports, booze, pot, and reality TV makes you a nerd. I listed my history interest mainly because you included it in yours.  My love of history was sparked in my second year of High School when I took History of European Nations for a semester. The class was taught by a teacher VERY passionate about subject and who ranks as my favorite af all the teachers I ever had (saddens me to think he's probably dead now). Also I was reading Lord of the Rings for the first time that same fall and things just went CLICK in my head and I've loved history ever since. I was Dan Carlin before anyone knew who he was, lol.   
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: John Albert on February 05, 2019, 10:46:02 PM
I'd be a damn liar if I refused to admit to being a nerd. I'm way into science, history, politics, sci-fi and fantasy, video games, TTRPGs, non-mainstream music, and other oddball niche interests.

But at the same time I'm a bit annoyed about the word "nerd" becoming so overused as a bullshit marketing term. All of a sudden everybody wants to self-identify as being part of "nerd culture," which nowadays means little more than being a fan of pop culture stuff like comic books, Star Trek and Star Wars. Meanwhile, all those old school "nerd" entertainment franchises are being reworked and dumbed down to appeal to mainstream audiences, to the point where they're scarcely recognizable anymore. It's getting to the point where I'm finding it hard to even give a shit about that stuff anymore.

Does that make me less of a nerd, or even more nerdy?

(https://i.imgur.com/ph9nRs6.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Bill K on February 06, 2019, 01:03:09 AM
I am a nerd by comparison to the public at large. If I were to instead compare myself to the level of nerdiness possessed by the rogues, I am a jock. :D

But at the same time I'm a bit annoyed about the word "nerd" becoming so overused as a bullshit marketing term. All of a sudden everybody wants to self-identify as being part of "nerd culture," which nowadays means little more than being a fan of pop culture stuff like comic books, Star Trek and Star Wars. Meanwhile, all those old school "nerd" entertainment franchises are being reworked and dumbed down to appeal to mainstream audiences, to the point where they're scarcely recognizable anymore. It's getting to the point where I'm finding it hard to even give a shit about that stuff anymore.

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This. Anymore it seems half the hot female celebrity population is in fact nerds because they logged into World of Warcraft once.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on February 06, 2019, 09:22:29 AM
I have this on my pantry door:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81HrCqGOfVL._SY355_.jpg)
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: 2397 on February 06, 2019, 09:57:53 AM
There does seem to have been some cultural appropriation of the term, changing how the word is used more than changing how people are treated/regarded.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Morvis13 on February 06, 2019, 10:09:57 AM
All out nerd. I get all the nerd references and if you don't like it the Boba Fett figure on my desk will blast you. Right now He is holding Lego Spock hostage while Cyclops is dancing behind them..
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: amysrevenge on February 06, 2019, 12:26:35 PM
All out nerd. I get all the nerd references and if you don't like it the Boba Fett figure on my desk will blast you. Right now He is holding Lego Spock hostage while Cyclops is dancing behind them..

Haha at my desk I have a Warhammer Orc that I painted myself and is autographed by Wil Wheaton.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Billzbub on February 06, 2019, 12:49:36 PM
I asked someone the other day if they had seen Firefly, and they said no, and I blinked like 5 times while trying to process how that could be possible.  He didn't even know who Nathan Fillion was.  I guess my attitude about this matter says more about me than about him.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Shibboleth on February 06, 2019, 01:37:07 PM
I haven't watched Firefly and haven't watched Dr. Who since the 80's. Not that I don't want to but because I don't watch much TV unless I am spending time with my wife that does like watching TV. I consider myself a nerd but mostly because I am into stuff like the Society for Create Anachronism and I just finished reading through the Belgariad for the 4th time. I have a staunch opinion on the fact that 2nd Edition AD&D was the best and that Shadowrun sucks. I still talk about how life changing it was when I first played Dragonwarrior on the NES and how I filled the map of Ultima 3 with treasure chests as a kid. I also post on a damn message board dedicated to science and skepticism.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 06, 2019, 04:55:09 PM
Actually, I've found being interested in ANYTHING other than sports, booze, pot, and reality TV makes you a nerd.

Oh, I didnt know. In that case, I certainly fit the bill.

I listed my history interest mainly because you included it in yours.

Yeah, but I wasn't sure it was part of the nerd universe.

My love of history was sparked in my second year of High School when I took History of European Nations for a semester.

I was interested in it as a child. My parents bought me books for kids about Swedish history. As a young teenager I also loved historical novels. When I played computer games, I played quite a lot of history-based games, like the Age of Empires games, the Total War games, and the Sierra city-building games.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: fuzzyMarmot on February 06, 2019, 11:40:30 PM
I'm extremely interested in math, science, history, literature, politics, and current events. On the other hand, I have no interest in nerd pop culture (sci-fi, fantasy, video games, comic books, superheroes, etc.). I don't know whether this combination of things qualifies me as a nerd or not. I'd be curious to hear what you all think.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: arthwollipot on February 07, 2019, 04:23:58 AM
I have a tattoo of a d20 on my forearm.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on February 07, 2019, 06:47:03 AM
There does seem to have been some cultural appropriation of the term, changing how the word is used more than changing how people are treated/regarded.
"Revenge of the Nerds" movie. Before that I had rarely heard the term.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 07, 2019, 02:46:42 PM
I'm extremely interested in math, science, history, literature, politics, and current events. On the other hand, I have no interest in nerd pop culture (sci-fi, fantasy, video games, comic books, superheroes, etc.). I don't know whether this combination of things qualifies me as a nerd or not. I'd be curious to hear what you all think.

I'm in a similar situation. I'm not really interested in math though (hated the subject in school). I think sci-fi and fantasy can be good. I read Donald Duck (that entire world really, including uncle Scrooge, who I think is the funniest character) comics as a kid, probably the only sort of comics I would have some interest in. No interest in superheroes.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: amysrevenge on February 07, 2019, 02:56:51 PM
OT I suppose, but those old Carl Barks Donald Duck comics from the 70s are some of the finest comics ever produced.  I've only been able to get my hands on a small number of them, but they were fantastic.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 07, 2019, 03:02:13 PM
I recall liking some of Don Rosa's stories about uncle Scrooge's travels and adventures around the world.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: seamas on February 07, 2019, 04:26:21 PM
There does seem to have been some cultural appropriation of the term, changing how the word is used more than changing how people are treated/regarded.
"Revenge of the Nerds" movie. Before that I had rarely heard the term.

It was used quite a bit in the TV show Happy Days, but was using the more 1950's meaning of being square and uncool.

Seems I am the lone "No, Not at all" so far.
I have a wide variety of interests, and can be somewhat introverted at times, played D&D in the early 80s, but never considered myself a nerd.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: fuzzyMarmot on February 07, 2019, 05:04:44 PM
I have a tattoo of a d20 on my forearm.

Many years ago, I was talking about D12 with a friend. It took us several minutes to recognize that I was talking about the rap group, while he was talking about a 12-sided die.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Captain Video on February 07, 2019, 05:15:56 PM
I think at some point respect was earned by all the main characters in Fonzies eyes but this is a pretty good description of what a nerd was early in the series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonzie

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Fonzie regards Richie's two best friends, Ralph Malph and Potsie Webber, as nerds; largely because of their willingness to do virtually anything to fit in. Because Richie doesn't compromise his principles as easily and sticks to what he believes is right, Fonzie doesn't subject Richie to this kind of treatment, and over time, grows fond of him.

It was a continuing theme that people who were considered to be nerds turned out not to be nerds and eventually got a thumbs up AAaaayyy!
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Gigabyte on February 08, 2019, 01:25:22 PM
There does seem to have been some cultural appropriation of the term, changing how the word is used more than changing how people are treated/regarded.
"Revenge of the Nerds" movie. Before that I had rarely heard the term.

It was used quite a bit in the TV show Happy Days, but was using the more 1950's meaning of being square and uncool.

Seems I am the lone "No, Not at all" so far.
I have a wide variety of interests, and can be somewhat introverted at times, played D&D in the early 80s, but never considered myself a nerd.
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nerd noun

Definition of nerd
: an unstylish, unattractive, or socially inept person
especially : one slavishly devoted to intellectual or academic pursuits
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nerd

I never considered myself a nerd, and was shocked when once an intern loudly exclaimed, "You'r a nerd", after I had a long detailed conversation with another intern about a computer issue.  What you are seems to depend on what somebody thinks nerd means.

This intern clearly saw nerd, because they didn't know about my career as a rock star, much less my long and sordid history with women.   Words, when flexible and nebulous in character, become almost meaningless.   One can be a nerd to some, and quite something else to others.  I certainly consider myself a nerd, but not just a nerd.

I consider myself a Renaissance man, and that includes nerd activities and devotion to nerd pastimes.  (chess, video games, comics, graphic novels, Star wars/Star Trek/LOTR/Walking Dead/SciFi and more).  One might consider Bill Gates a nerd, but I do not.  I've heard him play guitar, speak about his vision of the future, and he is so much more than a nerd.

Obviously my post is nerdy, mores the pity.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: amysrevenge on February 08, 2019, 02:07:40 PM
I certainly consider myself a nerd, but not just a nerd.

I'm pretty much just a nerd.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Gigabyte on February 08, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
I'm pretty much just a nerd.
Based on 25 years of online interactions, and pretty much based on just experience, almost everybody who still posts on BBs style internet is a nerd.  The non nerds use Twitter.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: fuzzyMarmot on February 08, 2019, 06:02:18 PM
I'm pretty much just a nerd.
Based on 25 years of online interactions, and pretty much based on just experience, almost everybody who still posts on BBs style internet is a nerd.  The non nerds use Twitter.
What if you use both?
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: amysrevenge on February 08, 2019, 06:45:13 PM
I'm pretty much just a nerd.
Based on 25 years of online interactions, and pretty much based on just experience, almost everybody who still posts on BBs style internet is a nerd.  The non nerds use Twitter.
What if you use both?

NEEEEEEEEEEERD
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: fuzzyMarmot on February 08, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
I'm pretty much just a nerd.
Based on 25 years of online interactions, and pretty much based on just experience, almost everybody who still posts on BBs style internet is a nerd.  The non nerds use Twitter.
What if you use both?

NEEEEEEEEEEERD

That's what I was hoping :)
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: fred.slota on February 08, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
Worse still, I am both a nerd and an engineer.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: 2397 on February 08, 2019, 10:49:21 PM
Are there non-nerd engineers?
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Gigabyte on February 09, 2019, 07:11:16 AM
Are there non-nerd engineers?

Yep.  The ones that run the trains.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Ah.hell on February 11, 2019, 09:31:52 AM
Environmental Engineers aren't especially nerdy, there mostly hippies that can do math that become jaded and cynical when they figure out that their job is mostly cleaning up after industry or mitigating the liability of industry rather than saving the planet. 
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Morvis13 on February 11, 2019, 10:11:40 AM
Required Nerd movies:
Star Wars
Star trek
back to the future
ghostbusters
the princes bride
monty python
LOTR
Office Space
spaceballs
HHGTTG
Galaxy quest

There are many many more but these have to be included. Any others can be disputed.
I believe the Marvel and DCU are moving more mainstream BUT, love of the comics is nerdy.

TV:
Star Trek
BGS
SGU
Firefly
Dr Who
quantum leap


Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: fred.slota on February 11, 2019, 10:22:52 AM
Um actually, I believe the correct initialism is "BSG".

-5 points from Ravenclaw.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Morvis13 on February 11, 2019, 10:35:12 AM
for the record I don't consider the Potterverse nerdy.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: amysrevenge on February 11, 2019, 10:46:30 AM
Environmental Engineers aren't especially nerdy, there mostly hippies that can do math that become jaded and cynical when they figure out that their job is mostly cleaning up after industry or mitigating the liability of industry rather than saving the planet.

This is true.  The two environmental engineers I work with are healthy young-ish women who play competitive amateur volleyball on evenings and weekends.  (And that analysis of their character is spot on, for both of them.)
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Ah.hell on February 11, 2019, 11:11:35 AM
Environmental Engineers aren't especially nerdy, there mostly hippies that can do math that become jaded and cynical when they figure out that their job is mostly cleaning up after industry or mitigating the liability of industry rather than saving the planet.

This is true.  The two environmental engineers I work with are healthy young-ish women who play competitive amateur volleyball on evenings and weekends.  (And that analysis of their character is spot on, for both of them.)
Also the only engineering major at my university that was majority women. 
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: swan on February 11, 2019, 01:25:18 PM
In school I always wanted to hang out with the nerds because they actually talked about cool stuff, but they didn't think I was smart enough. The self-identified "geeks" (not quite the same as today) were more accepting, but most of them had personal hygiene issues (perhaps phobias?) that made them difficult to be around.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: amysrevenge on February 11, 2019, 02:05:57 PM
Luckily(?) in my locale there weren't enough people for nerds and geeks to have separate circles.  In my graduating class of 75 people (and the similar sized classes above and below) here were like 3-5 smart nerds, and maybe 10-12 smelly geeks, and our social circles overlapped exactly.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: Morvis13 on February 11, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
Luckily(?) in my locale there weren't enough people for nerds and geeks to have separate circles.  In my graduating class of 75 people (and the similar sized classes above and below) here were like 3-5 smart nerds, and maybe 10-12 smelly geeks, and our social circles overlapped exactly.

That's what you get for being a flatlander
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: amysrevenge on February 11, 2019, 02:32:18 PM
It's funny to think about, the way that even when the stereotypes are firm and mostly meet up with reality, there's always ways around them.

The two king nerds (the smartest and nerdiest, the matheletes and dungeon masters) of us both found niches outside of nerdery to fit in.

I was (and am) large, and relatively coordinated, and a bit sporty.  In sport, like in many things in my life, I'm continually flirting with the border between being the shittiest keener or the awesomest casual - like 85th percentile, where I'm worlds better than most people but still get blown away by the really good ones.  Best player in a casual league, or worst player in an elite league.  A bit of a frustrating place to be.  I was able to excel at casual sports in a way that helped me fit in with the normies.

My contemporary had a Jan 1 birthday, in a region where the legal drinking age is 18, so he was the first one of us legal to go buy booze.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: st3class on February 11, 2019, 04:32:12 PM
In school I always wanted to hang out with the nerds because they actually talked about cool stuff, but they didn't think I was smart enough. The self-identified "geeks" (not quite the same as today) were more accepting, but most of them had personal hygiene issues (perhaps phobias?) that made them difficult to be around.

Huh, now that I think about it, there was a distinction between nerds and geeks when I was in school too. (First half of the 00s)

The nerds were the kids who were in the honors classes, competing for highest grade, while being interested in Star Trek, LOTR, and Knowledge Bowl.

The geeks were the kids who struggled academically, but spent lunch in the library playing Yu-Gi-Oh and DnD.
Title: Re: Would you consider yourself a nerd?
Post by: arthwollipot on February 11, 2019, 08:42:11 PM
In school I always wanted to hang out with the nerds because they actually talked about cool stuff, but they didn't think I was smart enough. The self-identified "geeks" (not quite the same as today) were more accepting, but most of them had personal hygiene issues (perhaps phobias?) that made them difficult to be around.

Huh, now that I think about it, there was a distinction between nerds and geeks when I was in school too. (First half of the 00s)

The nerds were the kids who were in the honors classes, competing for highest grade, while being interested in Star Trek, LOTR, and Knowledge Bowl.

The geeks were the kids who struggled academically, but spent lunch in the library playing Yu-Gi-Oh and DnD.

When I was at school (showing my age here) there were no nerds or geeks. There were only squares.