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Title: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: TheDeeEm on March 01, 2019, 09:38:50 AM
Can yanyoneou guys suggest a objective unbiased weekly news source? Preferably a podcast that focuses on the US, with some world news.

No fluff pieces. No opinion pieces. No garbage politics.

Just the facts.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: daniel1948 on March 01, 2019, 09:50:49 AM
No sources are unbiased. However, to round out your usual sources and get a broader view of the news, I'd recommend reading some foreign news sources. If you read any languages other than English, look for news from the countries whose language(s) you read. It's also often recommended that you read sources whose biases you disagree with, to avoid being in a news echo chamber.

Full disclosure: Though I give the above advice, I am avoiding the news as much as I can. It makes me angry, gives me ulcers, and raises my blood pressure. My health is more important to me than keeping up on the latest outrages of the pustule that an anti-democratic electoral system put into the highest office in the land.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: TheDeeEm on March 01, 2019, 10:00:57 AM
Sure, I realize that NO source is unbiased, but some are more so than others. I am with you in that I try to keep my "news" consumption to a minimum. I would however like to at least get a weekly look at what is happening.

Surely there is a "just the facts" podcast. Not interested in reading news. I'll spend my time reading things I enjoy.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: daniel1948 on March 01, 2019, 10:21:12 AM
Everything I said about reading applies to podcasting. There are no unbiased sources. Look for foreign sources to broaden your scope.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Ah.hell on March 01, 2019, 10:34:46 AM
Sure, I realize that NO source is unbiased, but some are more so than others. I am with you in that I try to keep my "news" consumption to a minimum. I would however like to at least get a weekly look at what is happening.

Surely there is a "just the facts" podcast. Not interested in reading news. I'll spend my time reading things I enjoy.
  Even a "just the facts" source will have bias, the bias will be in what facts they report if nothing else.

No sources are unbiased. However, to round out your usual sources and get a broader view of the news, I'd recommend reading some foreign news sources. If you read any languages other than English, look for news from the countries whose language(s) you read. It's also often recommended that you read sources whose biases you disagree with, to avoid being in a news echo chamber.

Full disclosure: Though I give the above advice, I am avoiding the news as much as I can. It makes me angry, gives me ulcers, and raises my blood pressure. My health is more important to me than keeping up on the latest outrages of the pustule that an anti-democratic electoral system put into the highest office in the land.
Funny, this post describes my attitude nearly perfectly.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Billzbub on March 01, 2019, 11:20:32 AM
Okay you all, let's say it is a given that no news source is totally unbiased.  Which ones come closest to what the OP is asking for?  Which ones do you all read or listen to?

Right now I read CNN.  It has too many opinion pieces and WAY to much video (my work internet and PC do not like video), so I'm interested in this thread as well.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: CarbShark on March 01, 2019, 11:32:35 AM
Claims of mainstream media bias are largely unfounded.

Professional journalist work just as hard as scientists and economics and pollsters to eliminate bias from their work. (This does not apply to advocacy journalism or commentary and opinions)

Most of the major newspapers provide a fairly unbiased news report. As do most of the major networks national news shows.

They also make an effort to include a variety of  diverse voices, perspectives and opinions in their commentary, opinions an editorials.

Stray away from them and you’ll find more biased reporting, not less.

That said the most even handed TV news sources in the US are the PBS News hour and BBC World news


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Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: TheDeeEm on March 01, 2019, 12:33:28 PM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

OH MY I JUST MADE A "SWEEPING GENERALIZATION"

Thank you for advocating for me Billzbub.

It's not just you guys. I have been really irritated lately by people's tendency to answer questions on forums by NOT ACTUALLY ANSWERING THEM AT ALL.

Surely some reasonable person here understands the SPIRIT of my question and will give me the ACTUAL NAME of a new source that they believe to be the most unbiased possible by the human brain. I will sort out the parts that I think may not be.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 01, 2019, 01:37:53 PM
my ACTUAL question

Literally the only thing you can do is know what the biases are.

Every source will lie about certain things.  Every so often something'll come up where everyone's lying. 

NPR's usually pretty good.  Keep in mind they're center-right pro-corporate.
Al-Jazeera's usually pretty good.  Keep in mind they're Qatari funded.
The Economist's usually pretty good.  Keep in mind they're center-right and broadly neoliberal.
Vox is usually pretty good.  Keep in mind they're 'affluent urban liberal' as hell.

For environmental stuff, lately, I've been coming across articles from Yale's Environment 360 (https://e360.yale.edu/) web magazine more and more.  They've all been great. 

edit:

A few years back, I had a Financial Times subscription.  That was the most useful, clear reporting I've ever seen.  Note: The WSJ isn't very good anymore.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Tatyana on March 01, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
I really like BBC Analysis and More or Less: Behind the Statistics podcast, and a few from The Economist. Unfortunately, they are not really a broad source of news, but more focused on a few key stories or issues, and of course, UK and EU leaning.


I like to search under podcast providers, and I have found the BBC quite good for being quite balanced. I also like the Guardian, but they are a bit left of the spectrum in the UK, so obviously they are communists in the US.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: TheDeeEm on March 01, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
so obviously they are communists in the US.

HAHAHA  ^This^
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Beef Wellington on March 01, 2019, 02:44:41 PM
Full disclosure: Though I give the above advice, I am avoiding the news as much as I can. It makes me angry, gives me ulcers, and raises my blood pressure. My health is more important to me than keeping up on the latest outrages of the pustule that an anti-democratic electoral system put into the highest office in the land.

Stress can't cause an ulcer, unless you take too many painkillers to vanquish a news-related headache. I bet stress could make an existing ulcer feel worse though.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: CarbShark on March 01, 2019, 03:28:58 PM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.
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Most of the major newspapers provide a fairly unbiased news report. As do most of the major networks national news shows.

This was a direct answer to your actual question.

 
 
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: daniel1948 on March 01, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question.

I thought I did: Look for foreign news sources, preferably in a foreign language if you speak one.

But I cannot name a specific source because I really don't think any if them are unbiased. As noted above by someone else, the best ones still choose what events to report.

But bias is really not the only problem in the media. Often they just get it wrong because they don't understand it or screw up the details. We see all the time on the SGU how a science story gets completely twisted by journalists who just don't understand the material. I was occasionally in the news when I was active in the peace movement, and the newspaper often got minor, unimportant details wrong. The news is unreliable in many more ways than just bias.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 01, 2019, 04:50:56 PM
I cannot name a specific source because I really don't think any if them are unbiased. [...] The news is unreliable in many more ways than just bias.

That's my issue, too. What OP's asking for doesn't exist.  And if you pick one to treat this way, you're setting yourself up to absorb their biases and defects.

edit: One of my 'lottery winner daydreams' is setting up a maximally neutral news outfit.  Explicitly outline a mile-high, macro-scale perspective then just do that.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: daniel1948 on March 01, 2019, 08:02:19 PM
I once wrote a short story about a crazy man who had come into a lot of money and wanted to be respected, so he set up a newspaper, and hired a bunch of young new journalism students to run it, and then gave them free rein, leaving editorial policy entirely to them. The only thing he required was that the newspaper was named after him, so that when it became a respected journal, he'd get the credit. The idea being that without an owner to set editorial policy, the paper would be unbiased.

I doubt that would be the case in real life. The nice thing about writing fiction is that it doesn't have to go the way real life goes.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Bill K on March 01, 2019, 08:17:07 PM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

OH MY I JUST MADE A "SWEEPING GENERALIZATION"

Thank you for advocating for me Billzbub.

It's not just you guys. I have been really irritated lately by people's tendency to answer questions on forums by NOT ACTUALLY ANSWERING THEM AT ALL.

Surely some reasonable person here understands the SPIRIT of my question and will give me the ACTUAL NAME of a new source that they believe to be the most unbiased possible by the human brain. I will sort out the parts that I think may not be.

I suspect you asked your question knowing it was loaded. You're obviously not going to find any news source without bias. It is not possible - it doesn't exist, frankly. Anyhoo, instead, people are trying to help guide you through how to remain informed. Go with it, take and consider the advice, and implement it into your search for news, I think. :)
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Ah.hell on March 04, 2019, 09:37:29 AM
There's a point I've heard Adam Carolla make the appears to be true.  If the news reports on a story or subject that you know well, you will see all the errors they make and it will drive you nuts.   This is true of me, probably of most of you.   Go watch or read a few stories by different outlets about a subject you know well.  They'll generally be wrong, often in the same ways but sometimes in different ways.  Then realize, that's the case with pretty much every story. 

The other thing to try is just compare the headline stories.  Often they'll be completely different stories getting airplay on different sources.  That's the more insidious bias, its not they're wrong or lying but that they think certain things are important and certain things aren't and you want even find out about those unimportant topics. 

I will end with a few anecdotes. 
1999ish.  The Sac Bee runs a story with the headline, "Our kids are scared!"  The story is about the annual USA Today poll of school kids and how they feel.  The USA Sunday insert in that Sac Bee ran the headline, "American Children feel more secure than ever." 

Recently my cousin posted a link to an NBC news story, "22 immigrants died in ICE custody over the last 2 years."  The article spent most of its time on the last two years but way down in one of the middle paragraphs they note that, approximately 12 immigrants have died per year for the last 15 years. 
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: daniel1948 on March 04, 2019, 12:49:41 PM
There's a point I've heard Adam Carolla make the appears to be true.  If the news reports on a story or subject that you know well, you will see all the errors they make and it will drive you nuts.   This is true of me, probably of most of you.   Go watch or read a few stories by different outlets about a subject you know well.  They'll generally be wrong, often in the same ways but sometimes in different ways.  Then realize, that's the case with pretty much every story. 

Absolutely. This^.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: John Albert on March 04, 2019, 12:49:50 PM
Claims of mainstream media bias are largely unfounded.

What about when they report information you don't like about the meat industry? That's when you accuse them of promoting vegan propaganda.

All news outlets have some kind of bias. As Ah.hell pointed out, even if they only reported raw data and exact quotes from primary sources, there would still be selection bias about which sources they use and which stories they report.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: CarbShark on March 04, 2019, 01:40:21 PM
Claims of mainstream media bias are largely unfounded.

What about when they report information you don't like about the meat industry? That's when you accuse them of promoting vegan propaganda.

All news outlets have some kind of bias. As Ah.hell pointed out, even if they only reported raw data and exact quotes from primary sources, there would still be selection bias about which sources they use and which stories they report.

I accuse you of promoting vegan propaganda.

But for mainstream media, I repeat, claims of their bias are largely (not completely) unfounded.

The effect of any mainstream news bias is greatly exaggerated. The professional media makes a serious and conscious effort to eliminate or minimize bias, including (especially) selection of sources.

Even in the case of reporting these studies about meat and the environment. Their reporting might be wrong, they're sources may be biased, but the reporters make every effort to report the news with a minimum of bias.


Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: arthwollipot on March 04, 2019, 08:22:54 PM
Not all news outlets are as blatantly partisan as American news outlets are. The Australian ABC (https://www.abc.net.au/news/) has a charter that forces it to remain nonpartisan in its reporting of the news, for example. There are a few others.

I have to say "Australian ABC" despite the RAS Syndrome to distinguish it from the American ABC, which is not even remotely related.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: gebobs on March 06, 2019, 01:40:04 PM
How about this?

(https://s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/images/MW-FC101_news_NS_20161215131112.jpg)
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 06, 2019, 01:57:03 PM
How about this?

(https://i.imgur.com/Ggw6kbll.png)

While I'd love for what the OP's asking for to exist, I'm not aware of anything that passes muster. And I'm a big honking nerd who's read a lot of news.

Also, that diagram doesn't even have The Financial Times.  If I had to pick the best news source, it'd be them.  I say this based on a subscription I had a few years back.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Beef Wellington on March 06, 2019, 01:57:40 PM
How about this?

(https://s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/images/MW-FC101_news_NS_20161215131112.jpg)

This needs to be updated. Natural News is extremely right-wing these days, has been for a while. It's basically Infowars at this point.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Billzbub on March 06, 2019, 02:01:41 PM
I noticed that CNN, my daily news read, isn't rated so well on this chart.  So, I checked out the New York Times just now and found this gem:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/magazine/psychics-skeptics-facebook.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=The New York Times Magazine

It's about Susan Gerbig of Guerrilla Skeptics fame running sting operations on celebrity psychics.  Very nice.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 06, 2019, 02:10:08 PM
When it comes to the English language news sources, from what I understand, The Economist is considered a quality news source with a right-wing/market liberal editorial stance, and The Guardian is considered a quality news source with a left-wing editorial stance
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Captain Video on March 06, 2019, 02:11:42 PM
How about this?

(https://s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/images/MW-FC101_news_NS_20161215131112.jpg)

This needs to be updated. Natural News is extremely right-wing these days, has been for a while. It's basically Infowars at this point.

and move CNN to the left to skews liberal and almost hyper partisan, barely reputable IMO.

I'll stick to ABC and Reuters for fair news.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: moj on March 06, 2019, 02:12:54 PM
(https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/AllSidesMediaBiasChart-Version1.1_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: moj on March 06, 2019, 02:14:15 PM

NPR's usually pretty good.  Keep in mind they're center-right pro-corporate.


you've said this before and last time all you produced was an editorial, what are biasing this on?
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 06, 2019, 02:16:08 PM
you've said this before and last time all you produced was an editorial, what are biasing this on?
Your definition of 'left' permits:Our definitions are incompatible.  We will never see eye-to-eye.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: moj on March 06, 2019, 02:23:48 PM
you've said this before and last time all you produced was an editorial, what are biasing this on?
Your definition of 'left' permits:
  • Anti-UHC
  • Anti-Minimum Wage Increases
  • Pro-[Tax Cuts for the Wealthy]
Our definitions are incompatible.  We will never see eye-to-eye.

show your work man, you made a claim that NPR is center right with a corporate bias, how do you get there? Not sure what you just typed is about?

ETA WTF are you talking about my definition of left? Do you think I believe the things you listed or think I think that's what NPR thinks? Its not really clear what you mean or how it relates to what I asked.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Captain Video on March 06, 2019, 02:32:26 PM
(https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/AllSidesMediaBiasChart-Version1.1_0.jpg)

I have said this before in a similar discussion. I don't think its correct to put Reason on the right.  If a conservative had made the chart they would have put them on the left,  I place them left of center.  With opinions on equality, drug prohibition and border control they are further left than some of the left news media.  Other opinions mite be further right. They don't really fit in either.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: arthwollipot on March 06, 2019, 09:00:01 PM
These diagrams list only American news sources, with the notable exception of the BBC. As I said before, if you want your news with less bias, you are going to need to go offshore.

Answers With Joe has a pretty good video on how American news media got that way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6N9qBoHrr4
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 07, 2019, 01:56:17 PM
The Economist and The Guardian are not American, they are British.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: John Albert on March 07, 2019, 02:28:09 PM
I accuse you of promoting vegan propaganda.

Which is an absurd accusation. I am not, and never have been a vegan.

I eat meat on a near daily basis. I'm just not an ideological screwball about it.


How about this?

(https://s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/images/MW-FC101_news_NS_20161215131112.jpg)

This needs to be updated. Natural News is extremely right-wing these days, has been for a while. It's basically Infowars at this point.

Of course this chart is subject to the drifts of the Overton Window, as well as political shifts in the editorial boards of the various outlets.

Alex Jones occasionally cites Natural News as a source, and Natural News owner Mike Adams is a semi-regular guest on The Alex Jones Show.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Billzbub on March 07, 2019, 02:46:22 PM
Of course this chart is subject to the drifts of the Overton Window, as well as political shifts in the editorial boards of the various outlets.

Alex Jones occasionally cites Natural News as a source, and Natural News owner Mike Adams is a semi-regular guest on The Alex Jones Show.

Maybe that chart wraps around the left and right edges like a cylinder.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Ah.hell on March 07, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Of course this chart is subject to the drifts of the Overton Window, as well as political shifts in the editorial boards of the various outlets.

Alex Jones occasionally cites Natural News as a source, and Natural News owner Mike Adams is a semi-regular guest on The Alex Jones Show.

Maybe that chart wraps around the left and right edges like a cylinder.
I think its the thing were conspiracists all seem to get a long even though the disagree in almost every detail of their conspiracies because they agree on the one important thing, the common narrative is a lie!
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: John Albert on March 07, 2019, 03:13:11 PM
Of course this chart is subject to the drifts of the Overton Window, as well as political shifts in the editorial boards of the various outlets.

Alex Jones occasionally cites Natural News as a source, and Natural News owner Mike Adams is a semi-regular guest on The Alex Jones Show.

Maybe that chart wraps around the left and right edges like a cylinder.

Only if you intend it to promote the Horseshoe Theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory).


(https://i.imgur.com/YBBXsWZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 07, 2019, 03:26:27 PM
I think there is a lot of merit to the horseshoe theory.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: arthwollipot on March 07, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
The Economist and The Guardian are not American, they are British.

You're right - my mistake. Notice that both of them are in the Complex, Minimal Bias oval.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Beef Wellington on March 07, 2019, 07:56:32 PM
Can yanyoneou guys suggest a objective unbiased weekly news source?
Just the facts.

I'm sure this was a simple mistake but it immediately reminded me of Dover-

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cdesign_proponentsists
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Nosmas on March 08, 2019, 11:27:29 AM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

OH MY I JUST MADE A "SWEEPING GENERALIZATION"

Thank you for advocating for me Billzbub.

It's not just you guys. I have been really irritated lately by people's tendency to answer questions on forums by NOT ACTUALLY ANSWERING THEM AT ALL.

Surely some reasonable person here understands the SPIRIT of my question and will give me the ACTUAL NAME of a new source that they believe to be the most unbiased possible by the human brain. I will sort out the parts that I think may not be.

While I think this level of response is a little uncalled for in this thread, I get where the general frustration comes from. I often find skeptics, and this forum in particular, will take every question or statement literally and do their best to reply with a "Well ACTUALLY..." type of post. I find it hard to believe that many people are unable to recognize the spirit of a question and it sometimes feels like an excuse for people to show off their super literal scrutinizing skeptical powers.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Sawyer on March 08, 2019, 02:03:55 PM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

OH MY I JUST MADE A "SWEEPING GENERALIZATION"

Thank you for advocating for me Billzbub.

It's not just you guys. I have been really irritated lately by people's tendency to answer questions on forums by NOT ACTUALLY ANSWERING THEM AT ALL.

Surely some reasonable person here understands the SPIRIT of my question and will give me the ACTUAL NAME of a new source that they believe to be the most unbiased possible by the human brain. I will sort out the parts that I think may not be.

While I think this level of response is a little uncalled for in this thread, I get where the general frustration comes from. I often find skeptics, and this forum in particular, will take every question or statement literally and do their best to reply with a "Well ACTUALLY..." type of post. I find it hard to believe that many people are unable to recognize the spirit of a question and it sometimes feels like an excuse for people to show off their super literal scrutinizing skeptical powers.

But what if we disagree with the core premise of the question to begin with?  I think the people responding that "HEY THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS UNBIASED NEWS PAL" aren't merely being pedantic, but are expressing some frustration at this obsession with objectivity and the quest for the One True News Source to Rule Them All.

And I mention it every time I see them posted here, but I despise those goddamn media bias infographics.  Their obsession with quantifying bias and reliability obscures any detailed analysis of the strengths and weakness of particular outlets, not to mention the bizarre realignments that happen when chunking far left media outlets into a single/two axes graph.  FFS, the one Beef posted has Vox, Jacobin, and MSNBC all in the same sphere.  I couldn't make a worse guide to understanding political media if I tried.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Gigabyte on March 08, 2019, 02:08:18 PM
"Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper."
George Orwel (https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_orwell_159437)l
 

Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: The Latinist on March 08, 2019, 02:51:38 PM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

The problem is that the question does not have an answer. You are asking for something that does not exist, and then getting upset when people answer honestly. Would you rather we lied to you?
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 08, 2019, 03:36:34 PM
I find it hard to believe that many people are unable to recognize the spirit of a question and it sometimes feels like an excuse for people to show off their super literal scrutinizing skeptical powers.

The problem is that, strictly speaking, a generally good source doesn't exist.  There's a discard pile and there's a 'usable with caveats' pile.

And I really, really wish what OP wants existed.  (Closest I've seen in The Financial Times.)
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: John Albert on March 09, 2019, 05:49:37 PM
I think there is a lot of merit to the horseshoe theory.

There is, at least to the extent that the farthest extreme of any belief system tends to have authoritarianism in common.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: arthwollipot on March 10, 2019, 10:38:34 PM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

The problem is that the question does not have an answer. You are asking for something that does not exist, and then getting upset when people answer honestly. Would you rather we lied to you?

Except that it does exist, as I have been pointing out. You just have to not restrict yourself to American media.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Rai on March 11, 2019, 02:32:34 AM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

The problem is that the question does not have an answer. You are asking for something that does not exist, and then getting upset when people answer honestly. Would you rather we lied to you?

Except that it does exist, as I have been pointing out. You just have to not restrict yourself to American media.

I am not sure it does. The most reputable non-American news sources are still very biased. BBC has been taken over by the Tories and cannot be trusted on anything that intersects with Tory interests, especially Brexit. Al Jazeera is good, unless you want news fro  the Gulf States. And so on...

The least biased news sources I ever found were specific breaking news aggregators like Airlive or Conflict News, but they are also very broad and they still have to select what they publish based on some kind of bias.

Here's an example of subtle bias:
(https://i.imgur.com/qVKx69a.jpg)

What's missing from this piece of news from a respectable, objective news agency? The Subsaharan African victims, who are apparently not newsworthy.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: PANTS! on March 11, 2019, 10:00:31 AM
I really like BBC Analysis and More or Less: Behind the Statistics podcast, and a few from The Economist. Unfortunately, they are not really a broad source of news, but more focused on a few key stories or issues, and of course, UK and EU leaning.


I like to search under podcast providers, and I have found the BBC quite good for being quite balanced. I also like the Guardian, but they are a bit left of the spectrum in the UK, so obviously they are communists in the US.

I love More or Less.  He gets play on Planet Money and its related podcasts all the time.  And while they are a real neo-lib (ie classical liberal) podcast, they too are considered commies here in the US.  Mainly because they acknowledge Keynes.  And quite frankly because they don't engage in Chicago land Economic Woo - the currency of the Right and many Libertarians right now.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: daniel1948 on March 11, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
So.... No one wants to answer my ACTUAL question. They just want to tell me how my question is wrong. Typical skeptic attitude. This is why I am not a activist.

The problem is that the question does not have an answer. You are asking for something that does not exist, and then getting upset when people answer honestly. Would you rather we lied to you?

Except that it does exist, as I have been pointing out. You just have to not restrict yourself to American media.

Some non-American media are much better than most American media. But all have their biases. Every news source chooses what to report on and what not to report on, and this reflects their views on what's important and what isn't. Even within a story, they will choose which details to include and which not. And that's the very best-case situation. And I doubt that any news source is that good as to have no other biases than just its choice of what to report on. The most complete view of the news requires reading many sources.

Full disclosure: since the election here, I'm avoiding all news to the extent I'm able. It's just too damn depressing.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: FrugalLife on May 28, 2019, 11:36:14 AM
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

I try to read small city and suburban newspapers, taking care to avoid the coasts. For example: the Rochester Post-Bulletin, in Rochester, Minnesota. The Rocket-Miner, in Rock Springs, Wyoming. They're going to play to their local biases, but if you read multiple sources, you'll be more likely to have a balanced view.

I also read Reuters and AP for international news. I read the BBC, mostly to see the view of America from across the pond. I read NPR, but I'm always on guard because wokeness has started seeping in everywhere. It's become so ubiquitous, I've actually stopped my donations to npr.

I avoid YouTube like the plague. YouTube is like the opinion page on steroids.

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Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: wastrel on May 28, 2019, 01:44:24 PM
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

Can you please expand on "wokeness" in the media?
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: stands2reason on May 28, 2019, 05:18:01 PM
Great, now our only source of bias are the people making the "news media bias" charts and diagrams.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: FrugalLife on May 28, 2019, 10:02:00 PM
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

Can you please expand on "wokeness" in the media?
Probably not to your satisfaction.

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Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: wastrel on May 28, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
I see...well I sure am happy you chimed in.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on May 29, 2019, 05:36:42 PM
The Economist and The Guardian are not American, they are British.

You're right - my mistake. Notice that both of them are in the Complex, Minimal Bias oval.

They are. They do have their editorial stances, The Economist classically liberal, and The Guardian social democratic. But they are not making up news stories, respect science, and are generally trustworthy.
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: Boßel on May 29, 2019, 05:41:39 PM
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

Can you please expand on "wokeness" in the media?
Probably not to your satisfaction.

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Do it anyway
Title: Re: Objective Unbiased News source
Post by: arthwollipot on May 29, 2019, 09:22:24 PM
I don't think there's a single national news source that hasn't been touched by political bias, pseudoscience, and wokeness in some way.

Can you please expand on "wokeness" in the media?
Probably not to your satisfaction.

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Do it anyway

Yes please.