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Title: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 12, 2019, 06:26:21 PM
I had some strange issues with Chrome today. In the middle of surfing, for no apparent reason, it ceased to function. New tabs couldn't be used to do anything, and then older tabs ceased to function as well. I had to restart Chrome. This happened twice. Then it seemed to function normally again. However, there are still chrome.exe processes I couldn't kill.

Does anyone know what this is, or why it might be. It was preceded by (I guess) a regular update of Avast Antivirus, but there should be no connection there.

What I really worry about is if this was or is in any way a security risk. I was signed into my Gmail account the whole time during these episodes.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Desert Fox on March 12, 2019, 06:57:06 PM
Most browsers, and programs generally, need to be reset at times.
Back in Windows 98 times, if you left a computer on for more than half a day or so, it would become unstable. 
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: arthwollipot on March 12, 2019, 09:32:31 PM
For pretty much all my working life - since the mid-90s - I have had fewer problems with my computer than the people who work around me. Either I am preternaturally lucky with computers, or I do something that my colleagues don't. The only thing I can think it might be is that at the end of every day, I manually close all my applications and shut down my computer. That's the only think I do differently from others as far as I can tell.

I keep doing it because it seems to work. I don't know for certain that it works, but it seems to.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: st3class on March 12, 2019, 09:39:06 PM
I had some strange issues with Chrome today. In the middle of surfing, for no apparent reason, it ceased to function. New tabs couldn't be used to do anything, and then older tabs ceased to function as well. I had to restart Chrome. This happened twice. Then it seemed to function normally again. However, there are still chrome.exe processes I couldn't kill.

Does anyone know what this is, or why it might be. It was preceded by (I guess) a regular update of Avast Antivirus, but there should be no connection there.

What I really worry about is if this was or is in any way a security risk. I was signed into my Gmail account the whole time during these episodes.

This happens to me pretty frequently, and usually happens on sites with lots of ads. Probably an ad using too much memory locking up Chrome. It is almost certainly not a security risk.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: arthwollipot on March 12, 2019, 10:23:09 PM
I'm rereading the archives of Questionable Content again (it's my soap opera), and I've found that this happens when I view the Archive page. It lasts for about a minute, then starts responding again.

See, this is another thing that years of customer service has taught me. Just because some piece of software is not responding now doesn't mean that it won't start responding again some time later. It's almost always better to wait for it to do whatever it's trying to do than to end task and crash out of it. Of course, it's impossible to say how long it's going to take before it starts responding, and people have shit to do and can't always wait an indefinite period of time. Sometimes it's just completely hung and will never respond, but you can't tell. Set yourself a maximum time you will wait (most things take less than 5 minutes in my experience) and don't crash out until after that time. You may end up being surprised.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: jt512 on March 13, 2019, 08:54:50 PM
For pretty much all my working life - since the mid-90s - I have had fewer problems with my computer than the people who work around me. Either I am preternaturally lucky with computers, or I do something that my colleagues don't. The only thing I can think it might be is that at the end of every day, I manually close all my applications and shut down my computer. That's the only think I do differently from others as far as I can tell.

Yeah, that's a really big thing.  You're nipping the problems in the bud.  The difference between Linux and Windows (and even Mac) is that you virtually never have to shut it down.  My girlfriend's scientific computing cluster (which runs Linux, of course) goes many years between shutdowns.

That said, I find it hard to believe that you have never before had a browser freeze on you.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 16, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
Now this seems to be a permanent issue for me. No idea as to why. Never had this issue before. Could it be the Avast update messing about? Or something else?
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 18, 2019, 04:54:39 PM
Ok, Chrome has officially gone bananas, it happens several times a day now. And it doesn't work to try to wait it out.

Is there any way to reinstall Chrome without losing its saved data?
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: arthwollipot on March 18, 2019, 09:29:02 PM
That said, I find it hard to believe that you have never before had a browser freeze on you.

Please see the post immediately preceding yours, in which I acknowledge that I have.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: bachfiend on March 18, 2019, 11:40:43 PM
For pretty much all my working life - since the mid-90s - I have had fewer problems with my computer than the people who work around me. Either I am preternaturally lucky with computers, or I do something that my colleagues don't. The only thing I can think it might be is that at the end of every day, I manually close all my applications and shut down my computer. That's the only think I do differently from others as far as I can tell.

Yeah, that's a really big thing.  You're nipping the problems in the bud.  The difference between Linux and Windows (and even Mac) is that you virtually never have to shut it down.  My girlfriend's scientific computing cluster (which runs Linux, of course) goes many years between shutdowns.

That said, I find it hard to believe that you have never before had a browser freeze on you.

So, why do you want to go home?  If that’s what you mean by ‘ich verstehe nur Bahnhof?’  You don’t like Hamburg?
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: jt512 on March 19, 2019, 12:31:14 AM
For pretty much all my working life - since the mid-90s - I have had fewer problems with my computer than the people who work around me. Either I am preternaturally lucky with computers, or I do something that my colleagues don't. The only thing I can think it might be is that at the end of every day, I manually close all my applications and shut down my computer. That's the only think I do differently from others as far as I can tell.

Yeah, that's a really big thing.  You're nipping the problems in the bud.  The difference between Linux and Windows (and even Mac) is that you virtually never have to shut it down.  My girlfriend's scientific computing cluster (which runs Linux, of course) goes many years between shutdowns.

That said, I find it hard to believe that you have never before had a browser freeze on you.

So, why do you want to go home?  If that’s what you mean by ‘ich verstehe nur Bahnhof?’  You don’t like Hamburg?

Was!?
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: bachfiend on March 19, 2019, 12:54:31 AM
For pretty much all my working life - since the mid-90s - I have had fewer problems with my computer than the people who work around me. Either I am preternaturally lucky with computers, or I do something that my colleagues don't. The only thing I can think it might be is that at the end of every day, I manually close all my applications and shut down my computer. That's the only think I do differently from others as far as I can tell.

Yeah, that's a really big thing.  You're nipping the problems in the bud.  The difference between Linux and Windows (and even Mac) is that you virtually never have to shut it down.  My girlfriend's scientific computing cluster (which runs Linux, of course) goes many years between shutdowns.

That said, I find it hard to believe that you have never before had a browser freeze on you.

So, why do you want to go home?  If that’s what you mean by ‘ich verstehe nur Bahnhof?’  You don’t like Hamburg?

Was!?

OK, so why have you adopted ‘ich verstehe nur Bahnhof’ as your signature?  Its usual meaning comes from World War I, when soldiers would use it to indicate that they all they want is to go home.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: jt512 on March 19, 2019, 09:09:27 AM
For pretty much all my working life - since the mid-90s - I have had fewer problems with my computer than the people who work around me. Either I am preternaturally lucky with computers, or I do something that my colleagues don't. The only thing I can think it might be is that at the end of every day, I manually close all my applications and shut down my computer. That's the only think I do differently from others as far as I can tell.

Yeah, that's a really big thing.  You're nipping the problems in the bud.  The difference between Linux and Windows (and even Mac) is that you virtually never have to shut it down.  My girlfriend's scientific computing cluster (which runs Linux, of course) goes many years between shutdowns.

That said, I find it hard to believe that you have never before had a browser freeze on you.

So, why do you want to go home?  If that’s what you mean by ‘ich verstehe nur Bahnhof?’  You don’t like Hamburg?

Was!?

OK, so why have you adopted ‘ich verstehe nur Bahnhof’ as your signature?  Its usual meaning comes from World War I, when soldiers would use it to indicate that they all they want is to go home.

The origin of the phrase was WWI.  But in modern lingo means you have no idea what is going on or what someone is talking about.  It roughly summarizes what I understand when someone speaks to me in German.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 19, 2019, 03:14:32 PM
Now this seems to be a permanent issue for me. No idea as to why. Never had this issue before. Could it be the Avast update messing about? Or something else?

At this point, I'd suspect:Running windows?  If you're feeling really paranoid, you could open up a command prompt then run: netstat -a | more

netstat -a -> Displays all connections and listening ports
| -> Pipe.  Output from left used as input for right.
more -> Paginates results

At that point, get googlin'
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: arthwollipot on March 19, 2019, 08:42:07 PM
Now this seems to be a permanent issue for me. No idea as to why. Never had this issue before. Could it be the Avast update messing about? Or something else?

At this point, I'd suspect:
  • janky plug-ins
  • messed up advanced settings
Running windows?  If you're feeling really paranoid, you could open up a command prompt then run: netstat -a | more

netstat -a -> Displays all connections and listening ports
| -> Pipe.  Output from left used as input for right.
more -> Paginates results

At that point, get googlin'

In the situation I described above, it appeared to be something to do with one of the ad providers embedded on the page.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 21, 2019, 11:37:43 AM
I tried to do the Chrome reset. It cleaned cookies, removed add-ons, but did not remove page history. Chrome crashed after 5 minutes.

I'm giving up on Chrome. It clearly doesn't work for me anymore. What good alternative browser out there could I pick?
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: jt512 on March 21, 2019, 02:30:41 PM
I tried to do the Chrome reset. It cleaned cookies, removed add-ons, but did not remove page history. Chrome crashed after 5 minutes.

I'm giving up on Chrome. It clearly doesn't work for me anymore. What good alternative browser out there could I pick?

Firefox.

But the only time I ever had a browser crash that often, it was because my hard drive was failing.


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Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Belgarath on March 23, 2019, 09:52:41 AM
I tried to do the Chrome reset. It cleaned cookies, removed add-ons, but did not remove page history. Chrome crashed after 5 minutes.

I'm giving up on Chrome. It clearly doesn't work for me anymore. What good alternative browser out there could I pick?

If a cleaned up Chrome is crashing on your computer, there's something else wrong.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Captain Video on March 23, 2019, 10:49:18 AM
I tried to do the Chrome reset. It cleaned cookies, removed add-ons, but did not remove page history. Chrome crashed after 5 minutes.

I'm giving up on Chrome. It clearly doesn't work for me anymore. What good alternative browser out there could I pick?

I had a similar problem once that was solved by removing all add-ons extensions and plugins.  Once you reset is it reinstalling your saved settings from the cloud? I got rid of mine, left,  then came back and there they were again. There are setting to make this stop.

This may not be your problem but I thought I would throw it out there.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 25, 2019, 06:12:56 PM
Something I found out:

I usually have a lot of Youtube tabs open, because I use Youtube to listen to music. Over time since these kind of crashes became a thing, I noticed that they seemed to correlate with too many Youtube tabs being open.

So I tried to have my Youtube tabs in Internet Explorer instead, not in Chrome, though otherwise I use Chrome like I have always done, for e-mail, forums, blogs, social media, etc. And it made a lot of difference. It did not solve the problem completely, Chrome is not quite up to shape to what it was before I started having this problem. But it has greatly reduced the amounts of these crashes.

Does this indicate or tell anything?
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: jt512 on March 25, 2019, 06:23:41 PM
Something I found out:

I usually have a lot of Youtube tabs open, because I use Youtube to listen to music. Over time since these kind of crashes became a thing, I noticed that they seemed to correlate with too many Youtube tabs being open.

So I tried to have my Youtube tabs in Internet Explorer instead, not in Chrome, though otherwise I use Chrome like I have always done, for e-mail, forums, blogs, social media, etc. And it made a lot of difference. It did not solve the problem completely, Chrome is not quite up to shape to what it was before I started having this problem. But it has greatly reduced the amounts of these crashes.

Does this indicate or tell anything?

It told me that Internet Explorer was still a thing.  Who knew?
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: arthwollipot on March 25, 2019, 10:05:37 PM
It told me that Internet Explorer was still a thing.  Who knew?

Everyone who works in a business or government enterprise.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: jt512 on March 25, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
It told me that Internet Explorer was still a thing.  Who knew?

Everyone who works in a business or government enterprise.

What makes you think that?  Market share of IE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer) is on the order of 3%.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: arthwollipot on March 25, 2019, 11:23:34 PM
It told me that Internet Explorer was still a thing.  Who knew?

Everyone who works in a business or government enterprise.

What makes you think that?  Market share of IE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer) is on the order of 3%.

Every environment I've worked in has been an IE shop. 100%. I count Edge as being IE, by the way, which those statistics might not. Also, my experience is limited to certain types of environments that do not represent anywhere near a majority of users, so I don't know what relevance the market share has to my comment.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on April 13, 2019, 08:15:20 AM
Based on what I can find online, Avast might be the cause of the problem. Is there any other free antivirus you can recommend? From what I can find, Avast is really otherwise a very good free antivirus.
Title: Re: Post The Science-and-Skepticism-i-est Images You've Got
Post by: The Latinist on April 13, 2019, 09:14:48 AM
Assuming you have Windows, just use the built in AV, Windows Defender.
Title: Re: Post The Science-and-Skepticism-i-est Images You've Got
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on April 13, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
Assuming you have Windows, just use the built in AV, Windows Defender.

Yes, I have Windows, Windows 7. Will Windows Defender suffice? Whenever I de-activate Avast, Windows alerts me that I have no antivirus program activated.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: The Latinist on April 13, 2019, 10:34:16 AM
Windows 7 does not have Windows Defender installed by default.  You can install Windows Security Essentials to get it.  That said, it's about time to upgrade to Windows 10; EOL for 7 is in 8 months.
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on April 14, 2019, 04:01:37 PM
It seems like my Windows considers Windows Defender to be anti-spyware, not anti-virus.

My computer is really old, from 2012. I will probably buy a new one during this year, with another Windows than Windows 7. ;)
Title: Re: Does anyone know why Chrome behaved this way, and if it poses any security risk?
Post by: The Latinist on April 14, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
It seems like my Windows considers Windows Defender to be anti-spyware, not anti-virus.

I understand your confusion, because there have been two different applications called Windows Defender.  Prior to Windows 8, Windows Defender was an anti-spyware application and Microsoft had a separate antivirus application called Microsoft Security Essentials.  In Windows 8, the two applications were folded into one application, which received the Windows Defender name. Since you have Windows 7, you have to install Microsoft Security Essentials to get Microsoft's antivirus.