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Title: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on July 16, 2019, 08:36:51 PM
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Storm Area 51? It’s a Joke, but the Air Force Is Concerned

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They’re coming,” said Connie West, a co-owner of the Little A’Le’Inn in Rachel, Nev. “People are coming.” Siqui Sanchez/Getty Images

By Jacey Fortin | July 15, 2019

What would happen if a crowd of people stormed the gates of Area 51 looking for aliens, and all of them ran really fast with their arms outstretched behind them?

We probably won’t find out. But the idea has captured the interest of more than a million people on social media.

The joke has caught the attention of the Air Force, too. A spokeswoman warned that acting on the plan would be dangerous.

On June 27, a Facebook account whose name includes a vulgarity shared an event called “Storm Area 51, They Can’t Stop All of Us (https://www.facebook.com/events/448435052621047).” It is scheduled for 3 a.m. on Sept. 20 in Amargosa Valley, Nev.

That’s not far from Area 51, a secretive military site at the Nellis Air Force Base in southern Nevada.

[Bigfoot isn’t taken very seriously these days. But in the ’70s, the search got help from the F.B.I. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/us/fbi-bigfoot-file.html?module=inline)]

The Air Force spokeswoman said the military was aware of the Facebook activity and warned that “any attempt to illegally access military installations or military training areas is dangerous.”

The existence of Area 51 was formally acknowledged by the federal government in 2013, when the C.I.A. released a classified report on spy planes (https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB434/docs/U2%20-%20Chapter%202.pdf) that were tested there beginning in the 1950s.

But U.F.O. enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists have long suspected that the base was devoted to the study — or even the captivity — of extraterrestrial life forms.

“We will all meet up at the Area 51 Alien Center tourist attraction and coordinate our entry,” the Facebook event page said. “If we naruto run, we can move faster than their bullets. Let’s see them aliens.”

The “Naruto run” is a style of running associated with Naruto Uzumaki, the main character in the Japanese anime series “Naruto.” It’s a meme (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/naruto-run). To do the run, you tilt your torso forward, extend your arms out behind you, and sprint goofily.

As of Monday, more than a million people had responded to the post to say they were going to the September event. More than 900,000 others said they were interested.

Most seemed well aware that the post was made in jest. One Facebook user shared a detailed battle plan, involving two Naruto runner battalions running “full speed around the north and south flank” of the base. And a few commenters shared a meme that said, “If we all hit our vapes at the same time, we can use it as cloud cover so they won’t see us coming.”

Like other fake Facebook events (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/10/us/shoot-hurricane-irma-guns.html?module=inline), this one was mostly an invitation for people to create joke memes on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/cc3qnt/whats_up_with_all_these_area_51_memes/), Twitter (https://twitter.com/AreaMemes51), YouTube (https://bit.ly/2NZ2Nfg) and elsewhere. In addition to sharing implausible invasion tactics, internet users mused about how the aliens would fare in the real world after being freed from captivity by a horde of vaping heroes.


https://twitter.com/miragonz/status/1150242278838902784

https://twitter.com/WhosChaos/status/1149540393727348746

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrEycazGwRQ
AREA 51 MEME COMPILATION YouTube Video by Inferno

But as it turns out, some people may be taking the event seriously. The Little A’Le’Inn in Rachel, Nev., which is close to Area 51, has gotten an unusually high number of reservations for a certain date.

“Oh, it’s insane,” Connie West, a co-owner of the inn, said in an interview on Sunday. “My poor bartender today walked past me and said, ‘I hate to tell you, but every phone call I’ve had is about Sept. 20.’”

She added that many people had mentioned the Facebook post when they called to reserve the inn’s rooms and recreational vehicles, all of which are now booked for that date — even though the Facebook post invited people to Amargosa Valley, which is hours away from the Little A’Le’Inn by car, and on the opposite side of Area 51.

“They’re pretty serious,” Ms. West said. “They’re coming. People are coming.”

In response to questions about the Facebook post, Laura McAndrews, an Air Force spokeswoman, said the Air Force does not discuss specific security measures. She noted that “the Nellis Test and Training Range (https://www.nellis.af.mil/Units/NTTR/) is an area where the Air Force tests and trains combat aircraft.”

This is not the first time military officials have had to respond to concerns about the possibly paranormal.

Earlier this year, the Navy seemed to officially acknowledge reported sightings of strange objects in the sky when it sent out new classified guidance (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html?module=inline) on how service members should report what the military calls unexplained aerial phenomena, or unidentified flying objects.

And in 2017, The New York Times reported on a shadowy program (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html?module=inline) at the Pentagon that has been investigating reports of unidentified flying objects for years.

But rather than infiltrate secret military sites, earthlings in search of evidence of extraterrestrial life may want to keep an eye on scientific explorations like the one taking place on Mars (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/22/science/nasa-mars-rover-life.html?module=inline), or planned efforts to explore a moon of Saturn (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/science/nasa-titan-dragonfly-caesar.html?module=inline).

Ms. West said Area 51 is well guarded, with signs warning trespassers that they could face consequences, including prison time or deadly force, if they get too close. She said she expected people to try to breach the boundaries of Area 51 in September, though she wished they would not.

“There’s going to be a force to reckon with,” she said of the authorities guarding the base. “They have enough helicopters and military aircraft at Nellis Air Force Base.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/area-51-raid.html (https://nyti.ms/2Y7AGhB)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 16, 2019, 09:34:43 PM
The people who want to storm a military reservation should first see what a .50 can do to a body at medium ranges, say two miles.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Awatsjr on July 17, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
Especially when they find they can’t back up either. But I seriously doubt anything more that a hundred people would try this (if that) and then only half heartedly. Most of these people are just messing around.

Hopefully no one does get hurt for a fantasy.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: superdave on July 17, 2019, 10:52:10 AM
i think the venn diagram of people who really believe their are secret aliens in Area 51 and people who would do something really stupid, has a lot of overlap.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 17, 2019, 11:03:39 AM
Have a shit load of drones hovering overhead. Announce that spraying of ricin will commence in five minutes.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: The Latinist on July 17, 2019, 11:52:11 AM
What I find amusing is the "they can't stop us all" rationale.  We're talking about an organization with the power to kill literally everyone on the planet. They can definitely stop you all.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 17, 2019, 12:38:50 PM
What I find amusing is the "they can't stop us all" rationale.  We're talking about an organization with the power to kill literally everyone on the planet. They can definitely stop you all.
But that would be M.A.D., I tell you, M.A.D.!
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Awatsjr on July 17, 2019, 01:03:08 PM
What I find amusing is the "they can't stop us all" rationale.  We're talking about an organization with the power to kill literally everyone on the planet. They can definitely stop you all.

You mean like having guns to stop a government takeover of our rights or overthrowing the Government? Yeah, they are a tad short on firepower ...  If they want you dead you will be dead.

I don’t think anything will happen other than a protest at the edge. You go first Frank!
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: seamas on July 17, 2019, 05:27:06 PM
What I find amusing is the "they can't stop us all" rationale.  We're talking about an organization with the power to kill literally everyone on the planet. They can definitely stop you all.

Not to mention a group that can manage to keep the dead (and maybe not dead) bodies of extraterrestrials --and their technology--secret from the public for decades!!
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 18, 2019, 07:56:47 AM
What I find amusing is the "they can't stop us all" rationale.  We're talking about an organization with the power to kill literally everyone on the planet. They can definitely stop you all.
They've never heard of Verdun, I take it.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Rai on July 18, 2019, 08:20:02 AM
Why not just enjoy this obvious joke for the fantastic memes it gave us?

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/387193e033d9c3f41300643b86f53328/8ccf8494cc105e84-66/s640x960/dc40c21108e06c58e4ae62ff1e0922a8ef0ec6b5.jpg)
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/346dc7dc4627037048da5ef6d61e8b3d/e77bca535ea784bc-d1/s640x960/65a7ec068835d0969fdbefb3eb74e361bcc92e29.jpg)
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Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: RubyDuckman on July 19, 2019, 10:02:59 PM
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Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Rai on July 22, 2019, 12:05:05 AM
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Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: mindme on July 22, 2019, 09:37:46 AM
Flat earth was pretty much a joke played close to the vest. Now there are a sizable number of people who believe it. And some build their own backyard rockets/suicide machines to "prove" the earth is flat. It's no joke.

I wonder how many people might not get the joke.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 22, 2019, 02:30:57 PM
Flat earth was pretty much a joke played close to the vest. Now there are a sizable number of people who believe it. And some build their own backyard rockets/suicide machines to "prove" the earth is flat. It's no joke.

I wonder how many people might not get the joke.
I met flatters in the 1950s that were utterly sincere. They held fast to their beliefs long after a fad would have faded.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on July 22, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
The people who want to storm a military reservation should first see what a .50 can do to a body at medium ranges, say two miles.

Yeah, but they'll be running really fast with their arms stretched out behind them!  ::)

Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 22, 2019, 02:51:08 PM
The people who want to storm a military reservation should first see what a .50 can do to a body at medium ranges, say two miles.

Yeah, but they'll be running really fast with their arms stretched out behind them!  ::)
Naruto run into supersonic two ounce bullets?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on July 22, 2019, 08:59:47 PM
The people who want to storm a military reservation should first see what a .50 can do to a body at medium ranges, say two miles.

Yeah, but they'll be running really fast with their arms stretched out behind them!  ::)
Naruto run into supersonic two ounce bullets?

We'll never know if they can outrun the bullets until they try.  ;)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on July 22, 2019, 09:18:18 PM
I very much doubt that the US Government is going to actually shoot anyone over this.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Captain Video on July 22, 2019, 11:09:29 PM
That depends on what the people actually do. I'm sure the military will do everything in their power not to shoot but if people actually start rushing the fence i'm guessing riot techniques will be used to keep them out. Rubber bullets, sandbags and tear gas just like the border.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: werecow on July 23, 2019, 05:03:56 AM
Let's add some more "storm area 51 meme" memes to this storm area 51 memes thread.

(https://i0.wp.com/ascienceenthusiast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Area51Meme016.jpg?w=700&ssl=1)

(https://i0.wp.com/ascienceenthusiast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Area51Meme008.jpg?w=700&ssl=1)

(https://i1.wp.com/ascienceenthusiast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Area51Meme007.jpg?w=700&ssl=1)

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More here (https://ascienceenthusiast.com/here-are-20-of-the-best-storm-area-51-memes-we-could-find/).
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on July 23, 2019, 05:33:51 AM
My current favorite:

(https://i.imgur.com/vPOgSB1.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: mindme on July 23, 2019, 08:36:56 AM
Obviously the government wouldn't machine gun its own (white) people. But I could imagine if people start showing up in droves they'd bring in some water cannons.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: stands2reason on July 23, 2019, 08:44:28 AM
I doubt if the USAF has water cannons or rubber bullets. Sounds more like a law enforcement or private security thing. But I'm sure they have tear gas.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 23, 2019, 09:49:24 AM
USAF has fire trucks with cannons.

Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: The Latinist on July 23, 2019, 09:59:48 AM
The area is not particularly hospitable or accessible, and the perimeter is established quite a way from the facility. And I highly doubt they’d even let people drive up to the perimeter. If they close a few roads, the “Naruto run” will be through miles of desert even to get to the fence.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 23, 2019, 11:57:10 AM
The area is not particularly hospitable or accessible, and the perimeter is established quite a way from the facility. And I highly doubt they’d even let people drive up to the perimeter. If they close a few roads, the “Naruto run” will be through miles of desert even to get to the fence.
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Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: stands2reason on July 23, 2019, 12:00:49 PM
Yeah, I wanna visit the bombing and gunnery ranges. Sounds like a blast!
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 23, 2019, 12:40:01 PM
Yeah, I wanna visit the bombing and gunnery ranges. Sounds like a blast!
I got thrown out when a Wobblin' Goblin crashed "a few years ago." They didn't exist at that time. 
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Boßel on July 23, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
They’d just use their microwave guns on them.

I’ve heard stories about them, but I don’t know if they’re real.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 23, 2019, 03:46:54 PM
They’d just use their microwave guns on them.

I’ve heard stories about them, but I don’t know if they’re real.
For this the LePage Glue Gun would be the thing.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on July 23, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
I very much doubt that the US Government is going to actually shoot anyone over this.

They won't be able to: The people will be running too fast with their arms out behind them.  ;D

Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on July 23, 2019, 04:13:51 PM
Seriously, though, the AF will just arrest them, give then Ban-and-Bar letters, and drive them about ten miles away and let them go in a different town to make it hard for them to get back to their cars.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on July 23, 2019, 04:31:39 PM
They’d just use their microwave guns on them.

I’ve heard stories about them, but I don’t know if they’re real.

Oh, they're real (https://www.scienceabc.com/innovation/the-active-denial-system-test-what-is-it-what-does-it-do.html). They use millimeter waves though, not microwaves. Millimeter waves heat water molecules on the surface of the skin but don't have the penetrating power to actually cook a body through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 23, 2019, 04:59:59 PM
Seriously, had nobody seen that Hulk movie?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: amysrevenge on July 24, 2019, 04:44:55 PM
Has anyone set an Over/Under on how many people will actually be there to attempt the storming?  I'm picking Under.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on July 24, 2019, 05:01:06 PM
Under.

Though I can only hope that the secret conspiracist known as "Q" endorses this endeavor to promote a thinning of the herd.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on July 25, 2019, 10:06:44 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_Of_qmWwAE6BHM?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on July 25, 2019, 08:52:46 PM
I'm loving this idea that the government is just going to massacre millions of its citizens.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: The Latinist on July 25, 2019, 09:15:33 PM
I don’t think that they would.  I’m responding to the claim that they couldn’t.

I think that by far the most likely course of events is that 1) far fewer people show up than say they will, 2) the government will close down roads in the area to make approaching the site more difficult and will increase patrols, and 3) there will be a few arrests and nobody will make it near the site.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on July 25, 2019, 09:41:23 PM
I think you're right on all three counts.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Captain Video on July 26, 2019, 01:21:29 AM
I couldn't find the meme but I saw one the other day that said something to the effect of

"anyone who has ever been in a band knows that only 10 RSVPs will show up"

I think Latinists three counts are what will really happen however the deviant in me is hoping for mass crowds and tear gas with many arrests and hopefully no serious injuries.


Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 26, 2019, 06:57:30 AM
I don’t think that they would.  I’m responding to the claim that they couldn’t.

I think that by far the most likely course of events is that 1) far fewer people show up than say they will, 2) the government will close down roads in the area to make approaching the site more difficult and will increase patrols, and 3) there will be a few arrests and nobody will make it near the site.
Announce in advance of the date that there will be "training maneuvers" in the area, including armored units, helicopter and fast-mover involvement, etc. Good practice mobilization to boot.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: werecow on July 26, 2019, 07:25:03 AM
I'm loving this idea that the government is just going to massacre millions dozens of its citizens.

FTFY
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 26, 2019, 07:29:09 AM
I'm loving this idea that the government is just going to massacre millions dozens of its citizens.

FTFY
Yeah, most of those loons won't get off their double-wide desk chairs to hump the boonies looking for aliens.

BTW, is it any coincidence that Bob Lazar has a movie on Netflix(?) right now?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on July 28, 2019, 10:10:20 PM
I'm loving this idea that the government is just going to massacre millions dozens of its citizens.

FTFY

Only dozens! Oh, well that's okay then.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on July 29, 2019, 12:41:19 AM
I'm loving this idea that the government is just going to massacre millions dozens of its citizens.

FTFY

Only dozens! Oh, well that's okay then.

They're not going to kill anybody. But what I would love to see is a dozen nut jobs trying to evade the guards by running with their arms out behind them, while the guards chase them down running also with their arms out behind them.

Somebody should make a short YouTube film about that.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: yahjnby on July 29, 2019, 03:24:09 PM
I find this all really funny, but I’m slightly frightened to admit that I have this strange urge To have one thing on my otherwise pristine criminal record “arrested attempting to storm area 51“.


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Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: gebobs on July 29, 2019, 05:07:45 PM
I doubt if the USAF has water cannons or rubber bullets. Sounds more like a law enforcement or private security thing. But I'm sure they have tear gas.

Chemtrails dude. Chemtrails.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on July 29, 2019, 05:15:46 PM
I find this all really funny, but I’m slightly frightened to admit that I have this strange urge To have one thing on my otherwise pristine criminal record “arrested attempting to storm area 51“.

Based on my experience of anti-nuclear protesting, sometimes they arrest you, but other times they just detain you and then let you go. You could travel all the way there and not even get a formal arrest for your record. I also wonder (since I've never tried it) if Naruto running might be dangerous. If you were to trip and fall, with your arms extended out behind you, you'd be more likely to hit your head than if your arms were in a normal position.

Headline: "Area 51 protester loses two front teeth after falling on his face attempting to run Naruto style."

I am a very bad person for thinking this, but it would really be rather funny if a dozen people showed up, and all fell flat on their faces while trying to run with their arms extended out behind them.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: yahjnby on July 29, 2019, 07:13:53 PM
I find this all really funny, but I’m slightly frightened to admit that I have this strange urge To have one thing on my otherwise pristine criminal record “arrested attempting to storm area 51“.

Based on my experience of anti-nuclear protesting, sometimes they arrest you, but other times they just detain you and then let you go. You could travel all the way there and not even get a formal arrest for your record. I also wonder (since I've never tried it) if Naruto running might be dangerous. If you were to trip and fall, with your arms extended out behind you, you'd be more likely to hit your head than if your arms were in a normal position.

Headline: "Area 51 protester loses two front teeth after falling on his face attempting to run Naruto style."

I am a very bad person for thinking this, but it would really be rather funny if a dozen people showed up, and all fell flat on their faces while trying to run with their arms extended out behind them.
I was visualizing my arrest in a much more dignified manner.


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Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on July 29, 2019, 08:25:59 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on July 31, 2019, 03:52:17 AM
Savvy trend-mongers are already capitalizing on this stupid meme.

(https://i.imgur.com/kHE2U5H.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Harry Black on July 31, 2019, 04:27:46 AM
Savvy trend-mongers are already capitalizing on this stupid meme.

(https://i.imgur.com/kHE2U5H.jpg)
I would buy that tbh.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on July 31, 2019, 06:02:06 AM
I can send you the link if you want it.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 31, 2019, 07:38:42 AM
I find this all really funny, but I’m slightly frightened to admit that I have this strange urge To have one thing on my otherwise pristine criminal record “arrested attempting to storm area 51“.


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LOL. I was once asked why I didn't have any drunk-and-disorderly entries on my record. The Lt. seemed confused.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Harry Black on July 31, 2019, 07:42:56 AM
I can send you the link if you want it.
Go on :laugh:
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: werecow on July 31, 2019, 08:10:15 AM
Savvy trend-mongers are already capitalizing on this stupid meme.

(https://i.imgur.com/kHE2U5H.jpg)
Hah, didn't even realize the date. September 20th is my birthday. I guess I know what I'll be getting: entertainment. }|:op
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 31, 2019, 09:58:26 AM
Waiting for a livefeed from the stormtroopers' encampment the night before the "big raid".

And then footage of them running away crying like babies the next day.  ;D
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on July 31, 2019, 11:19:40 AM
I find this all really funny, but I’m slightly frightened to admit that I have this strange urge To have one thing on my otherwise pristine criminal record “arrested attempting to storm area 51“.

Based on my experience of anti-nuclear protesting, sometimes they arrest you, but other times they just detain you and then let you go. You could travel all the way there and not even get a formal arrest for your record.

Another thing: If you did go there and get arrested, "attempting to storm area 51" would probably not go onto your record. "Trespassing" would probably be all that went on your record.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 31, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
I find this all really funny, but I’m slightly frightened to admit that I have this strange urge To have one thing on my otherwise pristine criminal record “arrested attempting to storm area 51“.

Based on my experience of anti-nuclear protesting, sometimes they arrest you, but other times they just detain you and then let you go. You could travel all the way there and not even get a formal arrest for your record.
Great t-shirt: I stormed Area 51 and all I got was this lousy criminal record!

Another thing: If you did go there and get arrested, "attempting to storm area 51" would probably not go onto your record. "Trespassing" would probably be all that went on your record.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on August 03, 2019, 01:47:25 PM
Another thing: If you did go there and get arrested, "attempting to storm area 51" would probably not go onto your record. "Trespassing" would probably be all that went on your record.

18 U.S.C. 1382 - Entering military, naval, or Coast Guard property (https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCODE-2009-title18/USCODE-2009-title18-partI-chap67-sec1382)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on August 03, 2019, 02:50:12 PM
Another thing: If you did go there and get arrested, "attempting to storm area 51" would probably not go onto your record. "Trespassing" would probably be all that went on your record.

18 U.S.C. 1382 - Entering military, naval, or Coast Guard property (https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCODE-2009-title18/USCODE-2009-title18-partI-chap67-sec1382)

I'm not going to attempt to wade through that. I have entered U.S. Air Force property as part of a number of protests against nuclear weapons. "Anti-nuclear protesting" never went on my record. What went on my record was simply "Trespassing." On some of those occasions when I was on AF property but outside the fence they just ignored us and after we'd felt that we'd made our point we went home. On some occasions we were arrested but never charged with a crime, and released soon after. At Offutt AFB there are frequent protests where people walk onto the AF property, are arrested, put on busses (carried very gently on stretchers if the protester goes limp and refuses to walk) taken to a processing center where they're given Ban & Bar letters, usually banning them from entering the AFB for six months, and released some distance from where they were arrested. People who return in violation of the Ban & Bar letter are sometimes charged with a crime and sentenced to prison time.

On the occasion when I dug a hole in the ground next to a missile silo to symbolize my feeling that we need to dig these things out of the ground, I was charged and convicted of trespassing and damage to property (for causing $60 worth of damage to the ground.) Out of some ten or twenty acts of civil disobedience I was only actually charged with a crime on four occasions. Most of the others were arrest and release, and a few times they just ignored us. When I tried to find records of any of it when I applied for Global Entry, I could only find one of the convictions and none of the other convictions or arrests. (I was denied Global Entry but that was reversed on appeal and I was granted it. I think the interviewer just didn't like me, and whoever reviewed it agreed with my argument in my appeal letter.) And the one conviction I was able to find was not even the one where I "damaged" their dirt.

In every occasion the guards were polite and courteous, they never hurt me, and though they were armed with some very scary-looking guns, they never seemed inclined to use them. I speculate that it is U.S. military policy not to shoot peaceful protesters. All the AF guards I ever encountered were very nice people. And in fact, we had a slogan printed on a big banner that said, "US AIR FORCE: GOOD PEOPLE, BAD PRODUCT."

So while I don't know what the law says precisely, and while I know that there are signs saying that deadly force is authorized, my experience over about four years of being active in nonviolent civil disobedience is that Air Force guards are nice people who (unlike some prison guards, and even some cops) are not going to use extreme force against civilians without very strong reasons. And if anybody does show up at Area 51, the guards will know that they are mentally ill, and harmless, and will use the absolute minimum of force to keep them off the bombing range where they could get hurt.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on August 04, 2019, 12:33:47 PM
Here's the text of 18 U.S.C. 1382:

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Whoever, within the jurisdiction of the United States, goes upon any military, naval, or Coast Guard reservation, post, fort, arsenal, yard, station, or installation, for any purpose prohibited by law or lawful regulation; or

Whoever reenters or is found within any such reservation, post, fort, arsenal, yard, station, or installation, after having been removed therefrom or ordered not to reenter by any officer or person in command or charge thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on August 04, 2019, 06:00:32 PM
Here's the text of 18 U.S.C. 1382:

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Whoever, within the jurisdiction of the United States, goes upon any military, naval, or Coast Guard reservation, post, fort, arsenal, yard, station, or installation, for any purpose prohibited by law or lawful regulation; or

Whoever reenters or is found within any such reservation, post, fort, arsenal, yard, station, or installation, after having been removed therefrom or ordered not to reenter by any officer or person in command or charge thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

So they can put you in prison on a first offense, but I've never heard of that happening for simple trespass. People entering the enclosure at a Minuteman III missile silo have gotten six months, and in at least one case, a full year in prison. But not just for walking onto an air base at a regular entry point. The first time I went into a missile silo enclosure, the four of us were arrested, arraigned, and given a court date, but the day before our trial, all the charges were dropped. It wasn't until my second time (when I dug the hole) that I got prison time. The third time I just got probation, but there were complications that time and the charges were reduced.

If anybody does show up at Area 51, and if they actually get around the guards and onto the base, they'll probably be detained, given Ban & Bar letters, and released with a warning of prison time if they return within six months (the most common length of the Ban & Bar). What the law allows, and what actually happens, are seldom the same.

My best guess: Nobody shows up.

I think it would be great if half a dozen people showed up, ran around outside the entrance with their arms behind them for a while, and got videos of them doing it and of the guards by the ten large busses they're likely to have ready to haul people away.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on August 05, 2019, 12:40:21 PM
Yeah, I don't think many people will actually show up. Even if they do, there's not much to see.

Back in the 1990s, when Art Bell was on the air and UFOs and ET conspiracy theories were popular, lots of UFO enthusiasts were going up there with telephoto cameras. So the government expanded the perimeter of Area 51 far enough beyond the hills to obscure any view of the facility. Nowadays a curious infiltrator would have to walk for miles through rough, heavily monitored and patrolled terrain, and would certainly be arrested before getting close enough to see anything.

I imagine the worst case scenario would be a tailgate party near the fence with some drunken idiots trying to climb over or cut their way inside, only to get arrested on the spot. Best case scenario, Amargosa Valley tourist traps like the Alien Travel Center, Daddy D's Rocket Diner and The Little Ale'e'Inn will have their best weekend in decades.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Gigabyte on August 06, 2019, 05:53:12 AM
Just fly drones in and video the place.  And find out just how good the air force drone defense system works.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 06, 2019, 06:54:55 AM
So they can put you in prison on a first offense, but I've never heard of that happening for simple trespass.
This administration is putting children in substandard prisons for just being with their parents when they cross the border. We have no idea what T.rump will do, ever.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Calinthalus on August 06, 2019, 07:57:37 AM
So they can put you in prison on a first offense, but I've never heard of that happening for simple trespass.
This administration is putting children in substandard prisons for just being with their parents when they cross the border. We have no idea what T.rump will do, ever.
Yeah, but those are brown children.  These will be white people trespassing.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on August 06, 2019, 11:21:25 AM
So they can put you in prison on a first offense, but I've never heard of that happening for simple trespass.
This administration is putting children in substandard prisons for just being with their parents when they cross the border. We have no idea what T.rump will do, ever.
Yeah, but those are brown children.  These will be white people trespassing.

Exactly!
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 18, 2019, 06:17:24 AM
Well it appears I was wrong...

People are already showing up and getting arrested for trying to enter Area 51.

An editorial page in Air Force Times offers a somewhat snarkier report (https://www.airforcetimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2019/09/17/dutchmen-arrested-for-trespassing-near-area-51-with-drone-camera-equipment-because-aliens/).

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Two Dutch nationals in search of Area 51 sentenced to jail for trespassing

Ed Komenda, Reno Gazette Journal | Published 7:34 p.m. ET Sept. 17, 2019 | Updated 7:35 p.m. ET Sept. 17, 2019

(https://i.imgur.com/aRJ0sHr.jpg)

LAS VEGAS – The Dutch nationals in search of Area 51 arrested for trespassing on the Nevada National Security Site have pleaded guilty and are expected this week to leave jail and return to the Netherlands.

“We did not want to cause any trouble, it has all gone a little bit out of hand,” said 20-year-old Ties Granzier – the Dutch YouTube star charged last week with his 21-year-old friend, Govert Charles Wilhelmus Jacob Sweep – in a video statement the Nye County Sheriff’s Office released Monday. “We learned from our mistakes, and it’s good to be back in a bit.”

Granzier and Sweep appeared Monday in Beatty Justice Court and pleaded guilty to trespassing and illegal parking, according to Nye County District Attorney Chris Arabia.

The men were sentenced to one year in the county jail with all but 10 days suspended.

But their plea agreement comes with conditions: Stay away from any events near or related to the Nevada National Security Site and avoid stepping within 500 yards of the site for the next year.


(https://i.imgur.com/P0N6CbC.jpg)
Authorities say a pair of Dutch men trespassed on the Nevada National Security Site, about 18 miles from Area 51.
(Photo: Nye County Sheriff's Office)

The men could be released from jail Thursday morning if their fines and fees – $2,280 each – are paid.

“It was important to us that these men serve jail time and pay a substantial financial penalty,” Arabia said. “We take this crime seriously, and people need to understand that we will not put up with this kind of nonsense.”


In search of Area 51

On Sept. 10, Nye County sheriff’s deputies responded to a report about foreign nationals trespassing on the Nevada National Security Site, a government testing range 65 miles north of Las Vegas.

The site is a 1,360-square-mile desert patch where scientists decades ago detonated more than 900 nuclear bombs. But the guarded government area is also 18 miles southwest of Area 51 – a military facility set inside a classified test and training range (https://bit.ly/2kKsYbF) the size of Connecticut that for decades has fueled conspiracy theories and local lore about what exactly goes on there.

'Storm Area 51': Organizer bails on Alienstock, will throw party in Las Vegas instead (https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2019/09/11/storm-area-51-organizers-bail-alienstock-plan-vegas-party-instead-matty-roberts/2283977001/)

A new chapter in the Area 51 mystery opened this summer when a California college student named Matty Roberts created a joke Facebook event called “Storm Area 51 – They Can’t Stop All of Us.” The affair soon exploded into a viral space oddity that generated millions of RSVPs, spawned drama between competing music festivals and led governments to declare emergencies.

In an Instagram post published before the encounter with police, Granzier posed in photos in front of the Grand Canyon and Hoover Dam. The caption, written in Dutch, foreshadowed the next stop on his journey through Nevada:

“Now on to crazy recordings of crazy adventures [at] Area 51.”

The caption has since been edited to remove reference to the mysterious government base.

The arrest

Deputies found a car parked 3 miles past the entrance gate.

Identified as the occupants of the vehicle, Sweep and Granzier told deputies they speak, read and write English. They saw the “No Trespassing” signs – but still they wanted a look.

Granzier identified himself as a “YouTuber.” He posts videos as “TIES” on a YouTube page that has more than 735,000 subscribers.

Deputies found in their possession several cameras, a phone, a laptop and a drone. The men consented to a search of the cameras. Deputies found video footage captured on the Nevada National Security Site property.

Sweep and Granzier were arrested and booked into the Nye County Detention Center.

If Granzier and Sweep comply with the conditions of their plea agreement, Arabia said, a conspiracy to trespass charge on hold against them will be dismissed.

“We’re not going to be in trouble again,” Sweep said.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/17/area-51-search-dutch-youtuber-and-friend-sentenced-trespassing/2357810001/


Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 18, 2019, 06:35:01 AM
So they can put you in prison on a first offense, but I've never heard of that happening for simple trespass.
This administration is putting children in substandard prisons for just being with their parents when they cross the border. We have no idea what T.rump will do, ever.
Yeah, but those are brown children.  These will be white people trespassing.

Exactly!
So they slip one brown person in and paint the whole group with that brush.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 18, 2019, 08:33:11 AM
I imagine there have got to be a few nonwhite people among the 2.1 million (https://www.facebook.com/events/448435052621047/).
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Harry Black on September 18, 2019, 08:39:26 AM
So two white dudes from a foreign country got arrested and seem to be facing fuck all consequences.
Wonder what will happen to anyone from south of the border?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 18, 2019, 10:43:30 AM
So two white dudes from a foreign country got arrested and seem to be facing fuck all consequences.
Wonder what will happen to anyone from south of the border?

The ten days in jail is actually more than usually happened in my anti-nuclear protests. But I gather that they actually got in and took some pictures while inside. Up until the time when I actually dug a hole in the ground next to a silo, we had mostly either stood outside the gate, but on property claimed by the Air Force, or, on two occasions, I walked openly up to the guard post at the main gate and refused to leave. Ten days was the most I got for those actions, and that was just time spent waiting for a trial. The sentence was "Time Served." Other times we were in for a day or two and then released without charges. At Offutt AFB protesters step over the property line at one of the gates, having informed the Air Force of their intentions beforehand, and they are detained and given "Ban & Bar" letters prohibiting them from entering any AFB for a year, and then released, usually some distance from where they were arrested. So what these two guys got was about normal.

There's a whole different standard for people of color.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: stands2reason on September 18, 2019, 11:43:47 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2019/09/16/area-51-celebrations-set-as-vegas-lays-odds-on-number-of-arrests/#6d22ef035050

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Speculation on how many people will show up—and what their intentions and actions will be—is so intense that, Nevada being Nevada, BetOnline.ag is literally setting odds on how many people will be arrested. In the peculiar language of sports betting, you can bet that over 8.5 people will be arrested, at odds of -120 (5/6), or that under 8.5 people will be arrested, -120 (5/6).  Another prop bet is “Will anyone illegally access Rachel military area?” Yes is +500 (5/1), No -1000 (1/10). You can also bet on whether Donald Trump will tweet about Area 51 this week, with similar odds.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: seamas on September 18, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
The article fails to mention whether these apprehended Dutch fellows even bothered to follow directions and run Naruto style.
I suspect they didn't, which was their downfall as it made them so much more likely to get caught.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 18, 2019, 06:34:54 PM
The article fails to mention whether these apprehended Dutch fellows even bothered to follow directions and run Naruto style.
I suspect they didn't, which was their downfall as it made them so much more likely to get caught.

It really wasn't necessary to specify in the article that they failed to run Naruto style, since they were caught.  ;D  Perhaps, being from the Netherlands, they didn't know about Naruto. (?) (FWIW I had never heard of Naruto until this thing came up.)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 18, 2019, 06:39:01 PM
Naruto is such a stupid show.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on September 18, 2019, 08:35:19 PM
Naruto is such a stupid show.

It is, however, extremely popular.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 18, 2019, 08:46:54 PM
Naruto is such a stupid show.

I've never seen it. Never heard of it before this meme. Have no intention of ever watching it. But it tickled my funny bone when the meme showed up. "They'll never catch us if we run like Naruto with our arms out behind us."  ::)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on September 18, 2019, 08:50:50 PM
Naruto is such a stupid show.

I've never seen it. Never heard of it before this meme. Have no intention of ever watching it. But it tickled my funny bone when the meme showed up. "They'll never catch us if we run like Naruto with our arms out behind us."  ::)

It's not actually such a bad show, for an anime series aimed at early teens.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: mindme on September 19, 2019, 01:20:55 PM
This is tomorrow. Anyone massing?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Ah.hell on September 19, 2019, 03:39:20 PM
Side note, my 1 year old occasionally runs Naruto style. 
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 19, 2019, 03:45:25 PM
This is tomorrow. Anyone massing?


Not me. ;D
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 19, 2019, 04:24:00 PM
Naruto is such a stupid show.

I've never seen it. Never heard of it before this meme. Have no intention of ever watching it. But it tickled my funny bone when the meme showed up. "They'll never catch us if we run like Naruto with our arms out behind us."  ::)

It's not actually such a bad show, for an anime series aimed at early teens.

Oh come on, it's terrible. The storylines are crap.

It's mind-numbing. You can sit and watch for half an hour and nothing happens. It draws everything out to an excruciating degree, so that even a single fight scene of a few minutes will often span several episodes, with half of each episode comprised of a slow-motion review of the inaction that had transpired in the previous episode.

And given that the animation style expands time so widely that a few seconds take up an entire 22 minute episode,  you might expect each episode to be packed with detail. But no. Because the animation is so lazy and shitty, all the nuance of a fight is delivered through hamfisted exposition in the form of voice-overs by the secondary characters who are standing around watching the fight from the sidelines. 

          Stationary CU of girl character. "Oh, no! What is happening to his eyes? They're turning red!"

Shaky-cam ECU of Naruto in scribbly drawing style, his eyes glowing red. "Nggggghhh..."

Stationary CU of Naruto's best friend, looking quizzical: "Wait...what is that thing he's doing... could it be... the legendary magical eyeball technique?"

Stationary CU of Naruto's adversary, looking confused, then terrified: "Looks like the magical eyeball technique, but it can't be... I thought that was just a legend!"

Stationary CU of old man ninja who dresses like a humble chicken farmer: "Naruto, using the legendary magic eyeball? I didn't know he knew that technique!"

Stationary CU of Naruto's sensei, hand on chin: "Who taught Naruto how to use the legendary magical eyeball technique? He's not ready yet... if he hasn't learned how to control it, he could kill us all!"

Tune in next time to find out of Naruto really does know the legendary magical eyeball technique!


Naruto is garbage. It makes Pokemon look like Citizen Kane

There are much, much better shows for early teens.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on September 19, 2019, 08:50:03 PM
Naruto is such a stupid show.

I've never seen it. Never heard of it before this meme. Have no intention of ever watching it. But it tickled my funny bone when the meme showed up. "They'll never catch us if we run like Naruto with our arms out behind us."  ::)

It's not actually such a bad show, for an anime series aimed at early teens.

Oh come on, it's terrible. The storylines are crap.

It's mind-numbing. You can sit and watch for half an hour and nothing happens. It draws everything out to an excruciating degree, so that even a single fight scene of a few minutes will often span several episodes, with half of each episode comprised of a slow-motion review of the inaction that had transpired in the previous episode.

And given that the animation style expands time so widely that a few seconds take up an entire 22 minute episode,  you might expect each episode to be packed with detail. But no. Because the animation is so lazy and shitty, all the nuance of a fight is delivered through hamfisted exposition in the form of voice-overs by the secondary characters who are standing around watching the fight from the sidelines. 

          CU of girl character. "Oh, no! What is happening to his eyes? They're turning red!"

ECU of Naruto in scribbly drawing style, his eyes glowing red. "Nggggghhh..."

CU of Naruto's best friend, looking quizzical: "Wait...what is that thing he's doing... could it be... the legendary magical eyeball technique?"

CU of Naruto's adversary, looking confused, then terrified: "Looks like the magical eyeball technique, but it can't be... I thought that was just a legend!"

CU of old man ninja who dresses like a humble chicken farmer: "Naruto, using the legendary magic eyeball? I didn't know he knew that technique!"

CU of Naruto's sensei, hand on chin: "Who taught Naruto how to use the legendary magical eyeball technique? He's not ready yet... if he hasn't learned how to control it, he could kill us all!"

Tune in next time to find out of Naruto really does know the legendary magical eyeball technique!


Naruto is garbage. It makes Pokemon look like Citizen Kane

There are much, much better shows for early teens.

And yet, as I said, it is extremely popular. You are one of the few people who thinks it's crap. You hold a minority opinion.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on September 19, 2019, 08:51:11 PM
Yes, people are actually planning to turn up at Storm Area 51 events tomorrow (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-20/storm-area-51-still-happening/11524042)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 19, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
Yeah, Vegas is better suited to hosting a large gathering of nutters. Lots of experience, plenty of accommodations, conference centers, great food, great entertainment, and for the terminally stupid: gambling. Even legal prostitution for those willing to drive a couple of hours (?) to the town of Pahrump. I'll bet some of the ladies would be willing to dress up as ETs for sufficiently-generous customers.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 20, 2019, 07:17:45 AM
And yet, as I said, it is extremely popular.

Do you really think popularity is the best metric for judging art?


You are one of the few people who thinks it's crap. You hold a minority opinion.

I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world don't even know what Naruto is, and they wouldn't give two shits about it if they did.

I don't know about the anime culture in Australia, but around here Naruto has long had a pretty low reputation among anime fans.[1 (https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/3dog4k/why_is_naruto_so_hated_within_the_anime_community/),2 (https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1497340),3 (https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/naruto-and-bleach-fandoms-damaging-anime-fandoms-reputation-in-the-west-generally.715330/)] The American anime community generally considers the Naruto and its fanbase to be an embarrassment, to the extent they've coined a... special slur (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=narutard) just for fans of that show.

But hey, it's silly for two grown men to argue the merits of a TV action cartoon aimed at adolescents. If you happen to like it, that's fine.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Boßel on September 20, 2019, 11:54:13 AM
How many arrests will occur today?

I’ll say between 5-20 😂
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 20, 2019, 01:24:39 PM
Some live streams are up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP3uFOnpv5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB6XbYylzgc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSERGtA1fyw

This is so stupid.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 20, 2019, 02:19:59 PM
I'm not going to watch an eight-hour video, or even a one-hour video. Anyone care to summarize?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 20, 2019, 02:23:28 PM
I skipped around the videos, and they're nothing special. Just a bunch of people goofing off.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 20, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
Wouldn't it be cool, though, if one of those people got inside and managed to rescue an ET?

https://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Paul/70123711

Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 20, 2019, 07:05:33 PM
Wouldn't it be cool, though, if one of those people got inside and managed to rescue an ET?

https://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Paul/70123711
(https://i.imgur.com/MiiYil0.gif)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: werecow on September 20, 2019, 07:51:50 PM
Hm, that was pretty weak, at least so far. I was hoping for a more spectacular birthday present. }|:op
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: CarbShark on September 20, 2019, 08:23:24 PM



Revelers reach gates of Area 51 then peacefully rejoin party - Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-09-20/storm-area-51-nevada)
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Hundreds of curious Earthlings from around the world traveled to the Area 51 military base in the Nevada desert after seeing an internet hoax dubbed “Storm Area 51.”
On Friday, about 100 made it all the way to the gates of the remote site that has long been the focus of UFO conspiracy theories.
It wasn’t long before the revelers peacefully rejoined 2,000 other people at alien-themed festivals in the tiny towns of Rachel and Hiko.


Hm, that was pretty weak, at least so far. I was hoping for a more spectacular birthday present. }|:op

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A Canadian was cited for indecent exposure, but nobody broke down the gates in search of three-eyed aliens and no UFOs appeared in the sky.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 20, 2019, 10:03:59 PM
Since when are space aliens supposed to have three eyes?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 21, 2019, 06:01:42 AM
Since when are space aliens supposed to have three eyes?
Such blatant two-eye-ism!
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 21, 2019, 10:25:15 AM
Since when are space aliens supposed to have three eyes?
Such blatant two-eye-ism!

Hey, I'm not judging ETs with three eyes. I'm just asking when anybody suggested that three-eyed ETs exist!
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 21, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
Since when are space aliens supposed to have three eyes?
Such blatant two-eye-ism!

Hey, I'm not judging ETs with three eyes. I'm just asking when anybody suggested that three-eyed ETs exist!
And now that you've doubted their existence they don't.  >:(
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Captain Video on September 21, 2019, 12:53:18 PM
Since when are space aliens supposed to have three eyes?
Such blatant two-eye-ism!

Hey, I'm not judging ETs with three eyes. I'm just asking when anybody suggested that three-eyed ETs exist!
And now that you've doubted their existence they don't.  >:(

I'm starting a new band called "Daniel spoils everything"  >:D  Luv you D! one day I'm going to give you a big hug.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: werecow on September 21, 2019, 01:04:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gtv0UH6.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: CarbShark on September 21, 2019, 01:41:44 PM
Since when are space aliens supposed to have three eyes?
Such blatant two-eye-ism!

Hey, I'm not judging ETs with three eyes. I'm just asking when anybody suggested that three-eyed ETs exist!
Didn’t the martians in War of the Worlds have three eyes?

So there’s precedence


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Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 21, 2019, 01:51:43 PM
No, they had three lens to their eyes.

Pretty sure. Saw the movie about a month ago.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Captain Video on September 21, 2019, 02:05:52 PM
aliiiens

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pixar/images/5/5c/6D885094-B78B-4AF3-B562-A6EF1CA36871.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/2000?cb=20181130232706)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Gigabyte on September 21, 2019, 03:10:04 PM
Didn’t the martians in War of the Worlds have three eyes?
Depends on the version. There has been many different versions of the aliens.  The original novel they had two eyes
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: werecow on September 21, 2019, 03:40:39 PM
Ree-Yees (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ree-Yees) is sad y'all forgot him.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/3/39/Ree-Yees-SWCT.png/revision/latest?cb=20170610050415)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 21, 2019, 05:31:51 PM
Okay. I stand corrected. I'd never seen images of ETs with three eyes. The flying purple people eater had one eye (and one horn). But all the ETs I've ever seen in movies or pictures always had two eyes, except for the one who occasionally turns up on Shaun the Sheep, which like the FPPE has one eye. It also only has one leg.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: stands2reason on September 21, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
 Alien enthusiasts run toward the back gate of Area 51, feigning to storm the gate near the town of Rachel, NV.
(Brian van der Brug/Los Angeles Times)

(https://i.imgur.com/4J1Tx2W.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 21, 2019, 06:08:27 PM
Dorks.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 21, 2019, 06:18:03 PM
That is one seriously filbert factory.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 21, 2019, 07:16:20 PM
Hey, they're not actually trying to get in, so they're not stupid. Just having fun with the joke.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 21, 2019, 07:34:59 PM
I'm familiar with that desert, it sucks year 'round. If you don't actually have to be out there don't go.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: wastrel on September 21, 2019, 07:45:09 PM
So did anything actually happen?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 21, 2019, 07:53:26 PM
So did anything actually happen?
Said the actress to the bishop.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 21, 2019, 09:52:17 PM
I'm familiar with that desert, it sucks year 'round. If you don't actually have to be out there don't go.

Hay, people go to Burning Man. I avoid the desert. I went hiking in Phoenix once, and it was a mistake. And that was in December. But if these folks had fun joking about ET's, I've got no problem with it. Me, I'll stay right here in Maui. It gets hot, but we've got the ocean. And I have free air conditioning. (Installation was not free. Operating costs are zero.)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on September 29, 2019, 08:58:48 PM
And yet, as I said, it is extremely popular.

Do you really think popularity is the best metric for judging art

It's the best metric for judging how popular it is.

You are one of the few people who thinks it's crap. You hold a minority opinion.

I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world don't even know what Naruto is, and they wouldn't give two shits about it if they did.

I don't know about the anime culture in Australia, but around here Naruto has long had a pretty low reputation among anime fans.

Sure, among anime fans. It's very popular outside that specific community. It appeals to a broader base.

But hey, it's silly for two grown men to argue the merits of a TV action cartoon aimed at adolescents. If you happen to like it, that's fine.

I don't, but I'm not an anime fan, so my opinion doesn't count.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 30, 2019, 06:35:42 AM
I'm familiar with that desert, it sucks year 'round. If you don't actually have to be out there don't go.

Hay, people go to Burning Man. I avoid the desert. I went hiking in Phoenix once, and it was a mistake. And that was in December. But if these folks had fun joking about ET's, I've got no problem with it. Me, I'll stay right here in Maui. It gets hot, but we've got the ocean. And I have free air conditioning. (Installation was not free. Operating costs are zero.)
Should have excluded nut jobs.  ::)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 30, 2019, 07:02:03 AM
And yet, as I said, it is extremely popular.

Do you really think popularity is the best metric for judging art

It's the best metric for judging how popular it is.

The Jersey Shore was popular too. That doesn't make it good art.

Lots of garbage TV shows have become popular among viewers with exceedingly poor taste. Naruto, for example.


I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world don't even know what Naruto is, and they wouldn't give two shits about it if they did.

I don't know about the anime culture in Australia, but around here Naruto has long had a pretty low reputation among anime fans.

Sure, among anime fans. It's very popular outside that specific community. It appeals to a broader base.

Naruto is anime. Therefore, its fans are anime fans, whether they self-identify as such or not.

Just the same, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of Naruto fans do in fact self-identify as anime fans.


But hey, it's silly for two grown men to argue the merits of a TV action cartoon aimed at adolescents. If you happen to like it, that's fine.

I don't, but I'm not an anime fan, so my opinion doesn't count.

Then why do you keep arguing for it?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 30, 2019, 01:16:42 PM
Not that I was looking forward to some kind of resource catastrophe, but am I the only who feels that this "Storm Area 51" thing was kind of a disappointment?

 
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: CarbShark on September 30, 2019, 02:09:35 PM
Not that I was looking forward to some kind of resource catastrophe, but am I the only who feels that this "Storm Area 51" thing was kind of a disappointment?

I'm sure the aliens still being held there are a bit disappointed too.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Ah.hell on September 30, 2019, 02:33:17 PM
Not that I was looking forward to some kind of resource catastrophe, but am I the only who feels that this "Storm Area 51" thing was kind of a disappointment?

 
Its about what I expected.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 30, 2019, 02:33:39 PM
Not that I was looking forward to some kind of resource catastrophe, but am I the only who feels that this "Storm Area 51" thing was kind of a disappointment?
Only if nobody got probed.

Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on September 30, 2019, 02:41:19 PM
I did predict (https://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,51334.msg9624673.html#msg9624673) that few people would show up. Why can't I just enjoy my smug satisfaction about being right? 
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on September 30, 2019, 03:10:17 PM
I did predict (https://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,51334.msg9624673.html#msg9624673) that few people would show up. Why can't I just enjoy my smug satisfaction about being right?
Thank you, Capt. Obvious.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: werecow on September 30, 2019, 05:42:22 PM
Not that I was looking forward to some kind of resource catastrophe, but am I the only who feels that this "Storm Area 51" thing was kind of a disappointment?

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/005/378/worldburn-top.jpg)

In this case I was kind of one of them. }⟩:o)
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on September 30, 2019, 08:12:46 PM
Not that I was looking forward to some kind of resource catastrophe, but am I the only who feels that this "Storm Area 51" thing was kind of a disappointment?

Its about what I expected.

Me too.

I didn't want anybody to get hurt. A bunch of UFO nuts had some parties, mostly in Vegas where they probably gambled a little, maybe took in a show or availed themselves of the services of a sex worker or two. A few of them did their Naruto run safely outside the gates of the military base. I'm sure a good time was had by all.

It was a fine outcome of a silly joke.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on September 30, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
The Jersey Shore was popular too. That doesn't make it good art.

I didn't say that it was good art. I said that it was popular.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on October 01, 2019, 01:11:48 PM
The Jersey Shore was popular too. That doesn't make it good art.

I didn't say that it was good art. I said that it was popular.

It was this post of yours that kicked off this whole argument:

         
It's not actually such a bad show, for an anime series aimed at early teens.

To recap: I said it was garbage, and you replied it's not so bad.

To which I replied come on, it's terrible, then I offered a satirical shot breakdown of a typical scene. That's when you switched to the argument from popularity.

To clarify, I don't disagree that Naruto is somewhat popular among a certain type of anime fans. But in terms of being a TV show to sit down and try to pay attention to, it's utter garbage. Even for the age group it's intended for, it's not a well-written or well-executed show.

Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on October 01, 2019, 08:04:29 PM
The Jersey Shore was popular too. That doesn't make it good art.

I didn't say that it was good art. I said that it was popular.

It was this post of yours that kicked off this whole argument:

         
It's not actually such a bad show, for an anime series aimed at early teens.

To recap: I said it was garbage, and you replied it's not so bad.

To which I replied come on, it's terrible, then I offered a satirical shot breakdown of a typical scene. That's when you switched to the argument from popularity.

To clarify, I don't disagree that Naruto is somewhat popular among a certain type of anime fans. But in terms of being a TV show to sit down and try to pay attention to, it's utter garbage. Even for the age group it's intended for, it's not a well-written or well-executed show.

You are entitled to your opinion.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Rai on October 02, 2019, 02:37:42 AM
The Jersey Shore was popular too. That doesn't make it good art.

I didn't say that it was good art. I said that it was popular.

It was this post of yours that kicked off this whole argument:

         
It's not actually such a bad show, for an anime series aimed at early teens.

To recap: I said it was garbage, and you replied it's not so bad.

To which I replied come on, it's terrible, then I offered a satirical shot breakdown of a typical scene. That's when you switched to the argument from popularity.

To clarify, I don't disagree that Naruto is somewhat popular among a certain type of anime fans. But in terms of being a TV show to sit down and try to pay attention to, it's utter garbage. Even for the age group it's intended for, it's not a well-written or well-executed show.

You are entitled to your opinion.

You don't understand, his infallible opinion is always the complete truth and you just cannot even imply that other views may exist.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on October 02, 2019, 04:20:55 AM
You are entitled to your opinion.

Why thank you. That's all I was looking for.


You don't understand, his infallible opinion is always the complete truth and you just cannot even imply that other views may exist.

I’m sorry you feel that way.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on October 02, 2019, 08:50:00 PM
You are entitled to your opinion.

Why thank you. That's all I was looking for.

The problem was that you were speaking in absolute, objective terms, rather than as though you were expressing an opinion. Let's move on.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on October 03, 2019, 04:49:35 PM
The problem was that you were speaking in absolute, objective terms, rather than as though you were expressing an opinion.

What "objective terms"?

Go back and reread. I never said my opinion was objective truth. I said it was a crap show, and then I mocked its hamfisted storytelling and lazy animation.

You offered no substantial defense of its artistry or craftsmanship, only kept reiterating that I must be wrong because it's popular.

Maybe this is why we butt heads so often in discussions. When I try to make a substantial argument, you often counter with a smug, dismissive remark and insist that your flout invalidates my argument simply because you said it. Can you understand why that's so unsatisfying?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on October 03, 2019, 08:04:56 PM
I said it was a crap show

Exactly. You didn't say "I think it's a crap show" or "my opinion is that it is a crap show", you said "it is a crap show" as though that were an objective fact that could not be disputed.

Anyway. I said that I thought the show was okay. I didn't say that I thought it was great, and I didn't say that it was high art. And I'm perfectly fine with acknowledging that de gustibus non est disputandum and moving on.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on October 03, 2019, 11:20:49 PM
I said "it's a crap show" because I think it's a crap show. I even provided some straightforward reasons why I think it's a crap show. 

And I never likened it to high art. I'm pretty sure I argued that it's crap show even in comparison to other cartoons intended for teenagers.

Do I really have to qualify my opinions by explicitly phrasing, "it's my opinion that..."?

The fact that it's an opinion should be obvious by mere context. At least, it should be obvious to anybody familiar with reading English. 
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: stands2reason on October 04, 2019, 06:02:03 PM
I think I cracked the code. It's a trick. These people want their family to think they are attending an alien convention, but they're buying weed.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on October 04, 2019, 06:36:36 PM
Are you implying that some teenagers and twentysomethings would actually spin an elaborate lie to get money from their parents on false pretenses?
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: CarbShark on November 14, 2019, 02:49:23 PM
Friday, November 15, 2019

Ancient Aliens The new episode “The Storming of Area 51” documents the response to an internet post that advocated storming the gates of a top-secret military installation. 9 p.m. History (Pacific time, check local listings)

 
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on November 14, 2019, 03:28:31 PM
So a show about ancient aliens is going to try to make something of the fact that a joke internet meme blossomed into an on-line romp through silliness and ended up with a few UFO enthusiasts having parties in Las Vegas, and another, lesser, few taking a peek at the gates of the installation, and nothing happened.

What can they possibly say that would keep even the most dedicated conspiracy believer interested? That the Air Force must be hiding aliens because they wouldn't let the nutters in? That the movie Paul was actually a documentary? Maybe that the protesters actually did get inside and photograph aliens but their Naruto running was so fast nobody even saw them. Yeah, that's what I'd go with if I was making the show.

And all this on the "History" channel???

Damn, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

I don't have cable so I wouldn't be watching even if I thought it wasn't going to be a total borefest.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: arthwollipot on November 14, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
The history channel has long since stopped being about history.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: CarbShark on November 14, 2019, 06:12:03 PM
The history channel has long since stopped being about history.

Nearly every niche cable channel is outside their niche.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: daniel1948 on November 15, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
The history channel has long since stopped being about history.

Right. But they are about trying to get rating numbers, and I'm just wondering what they could possibly do with a show about the "Storm Area 51" thing that would interest anybody, even the UFO believers.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on November 15, 2019, 10:19:25 AM
The history channel has long since stopped being about history.

Right. But they are about trying to get rating numbers, and I'm just wondering what they could possibly do with a show about the "Storm Area 51" thing that would interest anybody, even the UFO believers.
All they have to do is the same thing the Big Foot hunter, ghost chasers, UFO IDers, etc., show do. Pretend there are revelations to be had and then recapitulate at the end with more utter bullshit.
Title: Re: The "Storm Area 51" memes
Post by: John Albert on November 19, 2019, 02:04:14 AM
The history channel has long since stopped being about history.

Right. But they are about trying to get rating numbers, and I'm just wondering what they could possibly do with a show about the "Storm Area 51" thing that would interest anybody, even the UFO believers.

It's just another example of something capitalism is very bad at: educational programming.