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Title: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 16, 2019, 12:42:54 PM
We haven't done one of these in a while.

For me its Soda but I live in Atlanta where an orange soda is often referred to as a Coke, all soda is Coke, even Pepsi but one would never actually drink that as the coke police will show up at your house. We pretend its a coke when we visit Taco-bell and KFC. I grew up in an area where people call it Pop but for some reason my family called it soda.

I'm guessing there will be other names in other countries so if you have a similar argument or standard name where you live let me know and I'll add them to the list. 
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on August 16, 2019, 12:49:13 PM
I typically prefer Pepsi, and Pepsi Max to be more specific. Does that count under "Coke", or "Other"? It depends on if you define "Coke" as the product of Coca-Cola Company, or the kind of drink that Coke is.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Tatyana on August 16, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
Fizzy drinks.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 16, 2019, 01:28:25 PM
I typically prefer Pepsi, and Pepsi Max to be more specific. Does that count under "Coke", or "Other"? It depends on if you define "Coke" as the product of Coca-Cola Company, or the kind of drink that Coke is.

sorry, the question is not what do you drink but  "What do you call "soft drinks" in general? In the US its most likely you will say Pop, Soda, or Coke.

I'll add "Fizzy drinks" for Tatyana
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: brilligtove on August 16, 2019, 01:31:41 PM
Soda and pop are interchangeable. As a kid we even used sodapop. In Trinidad it was sweetdrink.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Awatsjr on August 16, 2019, 01:36:38 PM
As a kid I said Soda Pop but today I just call it by brand name.

Ah, Double Cola ...
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: DonA on August 16, 2019, 01:43:01 PM
I would say "pop".  It's the only proper Canuckian thing to do.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: stands2reason on August 16, 2019, 01:44:43 PM
Soda if it's carbonated, fountain drink otherwise.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Swagomatic on August 16, 2019, 03:02:00 PM
When I was growing up, we all said coke as in "what kind of coke do you want?" As I got into my teens, I started saying pop or sometimes soda.  Now I just say pop.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: moj on August 16, 2019, 03:20:12 PM
I've used all but pop, it sounds weird to me. I know what people mean when they say it, but it seems wrong. My wife is from the mid west and know pop is much bigger over there but when I hear it used  am secretly judging them. 


*taking notes on who says pop >:(

j/k
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: daniel1948 on August 16, 2019, 03:23:30 PM
I generally call it soft drink or soda. At one time we sometimes called it soda pop. Since you mentioned other countries, in Mexico it's refresco. And there are many kinds there other than Coke, though Coke may be the most popular. (I don't like colas. I like some brands of ginger beer as well as root beer and Dr. Pepper, but only sugar-free non-caffeinated. Sometimes I drink fruit-flavored sodas, but I dilute them with about 4 parts water to one part soda. They're too sweet otherwise.)
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: brilligtove on August 16, 2019, 04:07:51 PM
I would say "pop".  It's the only proper Canuckian thing to do.

Um.

Kim Mitchell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Mitchell) is fairly Canuckian.

https://youtu.be/MXnTbmPxv5g

Go for Soda
Might as well go for a soda
Nobody hurts and nobody cries
Might as well go for a soda
Nobody drowns and nobody dies

So we're in one of our blue moods
You wanna have it your way and I want it mine
All this debating going 'round in our blue mood
Makes me thirsty for love

Might as well go for a soda
Nobody hurts and nobody cries
(Might as well)
Might as well go for a soda
Nobody drowns and nobody dies

Life seems to be a bomb inside of your head
Well the bomb in my head is love
All this debating going 'round in our blue mood
Makes me thirsty for love

Might as well go for a soda
Nobody hurts and nobody cries
(Nobody hurts, nobody cries)
Might as well go for a soda
Nobody drowns and nobody dies
Might as well go for a soda
It's better than slander, it's better than lies
Might as well go for a soda
Nobody hurts and nobody cries
Might as well go for a soda
Might as well go for a soda
Nobody hurts and nobody cries
Might as well go for a soda
Nobody drowns and nobody dies
Might as well go for a soda
It's better than slander, it's better than lies
Might as well go for a soda
(Might as well, oh yeah)
Might as well go for a soda
(Oh yeah, nobody hurts, nobody cries)
Might as well go for a soda
(Oh yeah, nobody drowns, nobody dies)
Might as well go for a soda
(It's better than slander, it's better than lies)
Might as well go for a soda
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Harry Black on August 16, 2019, 04:15:51 PM
I say fizzy drinks.
Most other Irish people say 'minerals' which is annoying.

Glaswegians say 'juice' which is disgusting, wrong and may explain the overall health of the wegie population! :laugh:
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Calinthalus on August 16, 2019, 04:24:02 PM
I say "Soda" or "Pop".  When I was in Mississippi it was "Coke".... as in, "I'm going to the store, want a Coke?", "Yeah", "What kind of Coke do you want?", "Dr. Pepper".



Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Tassie Dave on August 16, 2019, 07:03:11 PM
In Tasmania we call them cordial.

The name does vary from State to state. In other aussie states cordial refers to a non-fizzy fruity drink. Tasmanians call non-fizzy drinks "water cordial"

I have heard them called "fizzy cordial" or "fizzy drink" in other parts of Australia
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: DevoutCatalyst on August 16, 2019, 07:32:57 PM
Phosphate
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 16, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
(http://laurelmanordeli.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Canned-Arizona-Tea.jpg)
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Tatyana on August 17, 2019, 04:10:10 AM
Phosphate

Is that a country or personal thing because of the phosphoric acid?
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: DevoutCatalyst on August 17, 2019, 07:57:46 AM
Phosphate

Is that a country or personal thing because of the phosphoric acid?
It's an old name because of the phosphoric acid. Was used locally when I was in high school, northern Illinois, 1970s.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: John Albert on August 17, 2019, 03:34:25 PM
They were still saying "phosphate" in the 1970s? That's amazing. I thought that was a '50s thing.

As a kid in Illinois in the '70s and '80s we used to call it "pop."
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: bachfiend on August 17, 2019, 06:09:34 PM
I call all carbonated drinks ‘Coke,’ and then avoid them like the plague.  I can’t remember the last time I had any.

I’m currently thinking about buying ‘Heroic Failure.  Brexit and the Politics of Pain’ by Fintan O’Toole.  The Irish author noted in the introduction that he visited England as a child and was drinking some Fanta (in my opinion, a nauseating over sweet drink, which I never liked), and was asked by someone whether he was enjoying his ‘pop,’ a term I’d never previously heard for carbonated soft drinks (and soda to me still sounds odd).
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Boßel on August 17, 2019, 06:29:28 PM
Soda


I find it appalling when someone calls anything other than a Coca-Cola a Coke. If you ask me for a Coke, I’ll ask “Diet or regular?”
If you respond “A Pepsi.” I’ll be thinking about it all day, and probably lose sleep over it. ☹️
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: bachfiend on August 17, 2019, 06:58:57 PM
Soda


I find it appalling when someone calls anything other than a Coca-Cola a Coke. If you ask me for a Coke, I’ll ask “Diet or regular?”
If you respond “A Pepsi.” I’ll be thinking about it all day, and probably lose sleep over it. ☹️

I know I’m wrong when I refer to all carbonated drinks as ‘coke,’ but it goes along with the ‘Coca-Colonisation’ of the world.

Don’t worry.  I’ll never ask you for a Coke.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: The Latinist on August 17, 2019, 10:58:46 PM
Soda. Nobody in the Northeast calls it anything else, though they would understand you (perhaps after a double-take) if you said ‘pop.’ If you ask for a Coke, you’re getting a Coca-cola or nothing.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: swan on August 18, 2019, 12:00:34 AM
My stepmother used to call all soft drinks "tonic" - meaning Disney was right about stepmothers from the beginning! ;)
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: fuzzyMarmot on August 18, 2019, 06:35:20 AM
Pop in Alaska.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Boßel on August 18, 2019, 10:53:17 AM
Soda


I find it appalling when someone calls anything other than a Coca-Cola a Coke. If you ask me for a Coke, I’ll ask “Diet or regular?”
If you respond “A Pepsi.” I’ll be thinking about it all day, and probably lose sleep over it. ☹️

I know I’m wrong when I refer to all carbonated drinks as ‘coke,’ but it goes along with the ‘Coca-Colonisation’ of the world.

Don’t worry.  I’ll never ask you for a Coke.

You might! So I’m a little on edge. 😉
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: daniel1948 on August 18, 2019, 11:05:40 AM
... Disney was right about stepmothers from the beginning! ;)

Disney's stepmothers were just watered-down versions from The Brothers Grimm. They're the ones who were right about step-mothers!
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: arthwollipot on August 18, 2019, 07:52:35 PM
Soft drink. It's only ever been called soft drink.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Scamplotter on August 18, 2019, 08:08:42 PM
Pop.

Soda is a white powered used in baking.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: The Latinist on August 18, 2019, 08:26:54 PM
My stepmother used to call all soft drinks "tonic" - meaning Disney was right about stepmothers from the beginning! ;)

Here, tonic is a carbonated beverage containing quinine.

Soft drink. It's only ever been called soft drink.

Here, soft drinks are a category that includes both carbonated and uncarbonated non-alcoholic beverages.  It would most commonly be seen on a menu above a listing of sodas, iced teas, juices, etc.

Pop.

Soda is a white powered used in baking.

Here, that’s baking soda.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: arthwollipot on August 18, 2019, 08:32:19 PM
Soft drink. It's only ever been called soft drink.

Here, soft drinks are a category that includes both carbonated and uncarbonated non-alcoholic beverages.  It would most commonly be seen on a menu above a listing of sodas, iced teas, juices, etc.

Not here. Carbonated sugary drinks are soft drinks. If it's not carbonated, it's not a soft drink. It's fruit juice, or cordial, or milk, something else.

And I'll add a thing to Tassie Dave's statement about cordial. Cordial, to me, is always diluted with water. It's a syrupy flavouring and not something that you'd drink on its own. Once you've diluted it, it's still referred to as cordial. It's also mostly drunk by children.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Tassie Dave on August 19, 2019, 04:56:30 AM
And I'll add a thing to Tassie Dave's statement about cordial. Cordial, to me, is always diluted with water. It's a syrupy flavouring and not something that you'd drink on its own. Once you've diluted it, it's still referred to as cordial. It's also mostly drunk by children.

It seems to be a Tassie thing (calling fizzy beverages cordial) What you call cordial is also called cordial here, just to confuse things ;)

We usually only add an adjective if we want to differentiate between the 2. ( 'fizzy cordial' or 'water cordial', because you add water )
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 19, 2019, 10:05:29 AM
I found this great map. its from 2003 but i'm guessing it hasn't changed that much.

(https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2012-11-09-Screenshot20121109at3.05.00PM.png)
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 10:14:52 AM
Soda is a white powered used in baking.

Also used in making carbonated drinks.

It's called soda around here.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: daniel1948 on August 19, 2019, 11:28:17 AM
It's interesting how segmented that map is.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: amysrevenge on August 19, 2019, 12:04:49 PM
I live in pop-land but deliberately use "soda" as an affectation.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Scamplotter on August 19, 2019, 01:47:27 PM
Fellow canucks might recognize this:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-K5oikgpep-o/TYpUaoxw-WI/AAAAAAAAAH0/2duoSSmHZvA/s1600/The+Pop+Shoppe+Line-Up.jpg)
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: John Albert on August 19, 2019, 01:49:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAFXd6OX0uI
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Ah.hell on August 19, 2019, 02:54:50 PM
I'm from California, it is soda and nobody said anything different but that one guy, and we all know what kind of guy he was.  First guy I knew who owned a home video machine and camera. 

I'm no living in pop country and if my kids ever call it pop their getting kicked out of the the house and disowned.

I remember the first time I heard coke used as a generic word for carbonated beverages.

Cashier, "what drink would you like with that?"
Me, "Coke."
Her, "what kind of coke?"
...long pause...
 :-\
Me, "What kinds of coke do you have?"
her, "you know, coke coke, orange coke, sprite coke......."
Me, Looks around for a hidden camera, "Coke coke?"

Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Scamplotter on August 19, 2019, 03:11:27 PM
Calling it coke when you don't want a cola doesn't make any sense to me.   That would be like using "OJ" for orange juice, or apple juice, or grape juice, etc.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 19, 2019, 03:37:33 PM
Here, tonic is a carbonated beverage containing quinine.
And the quinine taste was an excuse to add gin.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 19, 2019, 03:58:25 PM
Calling it coke when you don't want a cola doesn't make any sense to me.   That would be like using "OJ" for orange juice, or apple juice, or grape juice, etc.

Try living on Coca-Colas back porch and look in any direction. It wont be long before they have drones that follow you around and tell you how great they are. .

It does actually make a little sense, much like calling gelatin "Jell-o" 

When they put up Pepsi billboards for the Super Bowl people went out of their minds with anger and fear. It was like the world was ending.

I drank Pepsi growing up but now I don't really like any Cola. That goes double for Sprite and similar.

I like the flavors, Orange, Grape, Cream, and especially the root beers, classic root, birch, and ginger.

The classic way to drink coke in the south is with 3 salted peanuts added to a glass bottle.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Calinthalus on August 19, 2019, 04:07:32 PM
Calling it coke when you don't want a cola doesn't make any sense to me.   That would be like using "OJ" for orange juice, or apple juice, or grape juice, etc.

Try living on Coca-Colas back porch and look in any direction. It wont be long before they have drones that follow you around and tell you how great they are. .

It does actually make a little sense, much like calling gelatin "Jell-o" 

When they put up Pepsi billboards for the Super Bowl people went out of their minds with anger and fear. It was like the world was ending.

I drank Pepsi growing up but now I don't really like any Cola. That goes double for Sprite and similar.

I like the flavors, Orange, Grape, Cream, and especially the root beers, classic root, birch, and ginger.

The classic way to drink coke in the south is with 3 salted peanuts added to a glass bottle.
I grew up in Vicksburg, MS.  They have a Coke museum at the Biedenharn Candy Company, where Coke was bottled for the first time.  Also, coincidentally, the General in charge of defending Vicksburg during the siege was named John Pemberton, but not the one that invented Coke.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: amysrevenge on August 19, 2019, 04:15:14 PM
It does actually make a little sense, much like calling gelatin "Jell-o"

Almost.  It's like calling all gelatin of all manufacturers and all flavours "Lime Jell-o".
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: amysrevenge on August 19, 2019, 04:16:40 PM
Try living on Coca-Colas back porch and look in any direction. It wont be long before they have drones that follow you around and tell you how great they are. .

I'm actually curious, what's the cultural vibe in the south about Diet Coke and/or Coke Zero?  Is it all good as long as it's Coca-Cola brand, or is there some disdain for the sugar-free variants?
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 19, 2019, 04:39:36 PM
Try living on Coca-Colas back porch and look in any direction. It wont be long before they have drones that follow you around and tell you how great they are. .

I'm actually curious, what's the cultural vibe in the south about Diet Coke and/or Coke Zero?  Is it all good as long as it's Coca-Cola brand, or is there some disdain for the sugar-free variants?

It probably does not matter as long as you call it by its proper name. Coke! LOL

They advertise all that stuff equally as well as Fanta.

Honestly nobody blinks when I ask for a soda and they know what I am talking about, If I asked for a Pop they mite think thats funny or assume Im a tourist.

If you ask for a Coke at a place that sells Pepsi they will say "we serve Pepsi, is that OK?"  They have to ask the question or they mite really piss someone off.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Ah.hell on August 19, 2019, 04:52:41 PM
It does actually make a little sense, much like calling gelatin "Jell-o"

Almost.  It's like calling all gelatin of all manufacturers and all flavours "Lime Jell-o".
This, its not like  Coca Cola has even tried to brand non-colas as Coke.  I might give the south a bit of leeway if Coke was trying to market Coke lemon-lime soda but they ain't.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: daniel1948 on August 19, 2019, 07:56:26 PM
I thought it was peculiar to call all soda "Coke." But when I was growing up, every refrigerator was a Frigidaire, all facial tissue was Kleenex. For a long time after copiers were invented (didn't have them when I was growing up, only mimeograph machines and their cheaper cousins, ditto machines) every copier was a Xeron machine. So it's not all that strange after all, when a brand name becomes the common generic term. I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: The Latinist on August 19, 2019, 10:03:13 PM
If you ask for a Coke at a place that sells Pepsi they will say "we serve Pepsi, is that OK?"  They have to ask the question or they mite really piss someone off.

I assume that’s true everywhere. Certainly it’s common practice here in New England.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 20, 2019, 02:21:23 AM
If you ask for a Coke at a place that sells Pepsi they will say "we serve Pepsi, is that OK?"  They have to ask the question or they mite really piss someone off.

I assume that’s true everywhere. Certainly it’s common practice here in New England.

Yea I guess they would, LOL that was dumb. At least they get to say it out loud where you are from, down here they sort of whisper in shame as if to say. "Sorry, its a Pepsi flavored Coke"!
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Scamplotter on August 20, 2019, 09:18:26 AM
I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.

Right, but Jell-O isn't always one flavour. I mean officially if you look at the name on the packaging.  When you get a grape soda it doesn't say "Coke Grape" on the side.  When you buy a box of Jell-O it says Jell-O plus a flavour right there on the box.  For a Gradle Soda you only know the it's bottled by the Coca-cola company when you look at the fine print.
Jell-O actually comes in multiple flavours, if you want Jell-O you still need to pick if you want lime or strawberry or whatever.  Similarly Kleenex comes in multiple varieties (lotion or not, etc) - but it is always a tissue, there is no "Kleenex Paper Towel", or "Kleenex paper napkins" so there is no confusion about what you are going to get if you ask for a Kleenex.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: daniel1948 on August 20, 2019, 11:09:52 AM
I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.

Right, but Jell-O isn't always one flavour.

My point exactly. When you ask for Jell-O, you need to specify what flavor, assuming you have a preference. In places where Coke is synonymous with soda, you specify what kind, assuming you have a preference. It seems weird to me to call all sodas "Coke," but that's because I've never lived anywhere that was done.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Scamplotter on August 20, 2019, 03:17:16 PM
I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.

Right, but Jell-O isn't always one flavour.

My point exactly. When you ask for Jell-O, you need to specify what flavor, assuming you have a preference. In places where Coke is synonymous with soda, you specify what kind, assuming you have a preference. It seems weird to me to call all sodas "Coke," but that's because I've never lived anywhere that was done.

But how did Coke which only comes in one flavour according to the actual big letters on the bottle/can/box get to be used for soda in general in the first place.  Jell-O at least comes in different flavours according to the advertising and manufacturer.  Both Pepsi and Coke only market colas (and variations on the cola flavour, e.g cherry coke) with the generic names Coke and Pepsi, despite bottling many other fizzy drinks.  You get 7-Up or Sprite, not Coke lemon-lime, or Pepsi citrus,  or similar.
(Is there anywhere that calls soda in general Pepsi? If not why not?) 
Referring to thee map posted earlier: What horrible thing went wrong in the south that caused this?   I can only conclude that North Americans get more rational as you move north  ;D
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: The Latinist on August 20, 2019, 03:43:03 PM
I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.

Right, but Jell-O isn't always one flavour.

My point exactly. When you ask for Jell-O, you need to specify what flavor, assuming you have a preference. In places where Coke is synonymous with soda, you specify what kind, assuming you have a preference. It seems weird to me to call all sodas "Coke," but that's because I've never lived anywhere that was done.

The problem is that 'Pepsi' is not a flavor of soda, it is a brand of soda.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Ah.hell on August 20, 2019, 04:05:49 PM
I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.

Right, but Jell-O isn't always one flavour.

My point exactly. When you ask for Jell-O, you need to specify what flavor, assuming you have a preference. In places where Coke is synonymous with soda, you specify what kind, assuming you have a preference. It seems weird to me to call all sodas "Coke," but that's because I've never lived anywhere that was done.

The problem is that 'Pepsi' is not a flavor of soda, it is a brand of soda.
Specifically, a brand of Cola which is a particular flavor of soda.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Tassie Dave on August 20, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.

That's Jelly for the rest of us.

Which always confused me as a kid when US TV shows talked about peanut and Jelly sandwiches. Who would put Jelly on a sandwich?  ???

Even when I found out they meant Jam, I still wondered, who would think Jam and Peanut Butter was a good thing?  ??? Weird  :)
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: daniel1948 on August 20, 2019, 04:18:31 PM
Jell-O is a brand, and I've always said "Jell-O" to refer to any sweetened, flavored gelatin dessert, regardless of flavor or brand.

As to how "Coke" became the generic term for all soda, regardless of flavor or brand, I have no idea. I'll guess it was the first or most popular to penetrate the market. Just like Xerox, Kleenex, or Frigidaire.

Anyway, for a long time I called all soft drinks "soda pop." Or just "soft drink."
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: brilligtove on August 20, 2019, 04:18:40 PM
I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.

That's Jelly for the rest of us.

Which always confused me as a kid when US TV shows talked about peanut and Jelly sandwiches. Who would put Jelly on a sandwich?  ???

Even when I found out they meant Jam, I still wondered, who would think Jam and Peanut Butter was a good thing?  ??? Weird  :)

They didn't mean jam. Jam is made from fruit that has been macerated and cooked down. Jelly is made from the juice of the fruit. Grape jelly and red pepper jelly are about the consistency of thick jello. They are clear, with no fruit parts in the food.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: daniel1948 on August 20, 2019, 04:20:25 PM
... who would think Jam and Peanut Butter was a good thing? 

Pretty much every child in North America. Except me. I was never a fan of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Tassie Dave on August 20, 2019, 04:25:09 PM
I still call all sweetened, flavored, gelatin desserts Jell-O.

That's Jelly for the rest of us.

Which always confused me as a kid when US TV shows talked about peanut and Jelly sandwiches. Who would put Jelly on a sandwich?  ???

Even when I found out they meant Jam, I still wondered, who would think Jam and Peanut Butter was a good thing?  ??? Weird  :)

They didn't mean jam. Jam is made from fruit that has been macerated and cooked down. Jelly is made from the juice of the fruit. Grape jelly and red pepper jelly are about the consistency of thick jello. They are clear, with no fruit parts in the food.

That is all jam here. Marmalade is the only type that isn't called Jam.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: The Latinist on August 20, 2019, 04:38:09 PM
Jell-O is a brand, and I've always said "Jell-O" to refer to any sweetened, flavored gelatin dessert, regardless of flavor or brand.

Sure. But you don't, I imagine, refer to the Knox brand as if it were a flavor of Jell-O. I doubt if someone asked you what kind of Jell-O you wanted, you would respond, "Knox."
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: daniel1948 on August 20, 2019, 06:07:08 PM
Jell-O is a brand, and I've always said "Jell-O" to refer to any sweetened, flavored gelatin dessert, regardless of flavor or brand.

Sure. But you don't, I imagine, refer to the Knox brand as if it were a flavor of Jell-O. I doubt if someone asked you what kind of Jell-O you wanted, you would respond, "Knox."

No. But if someone gave me a bowl of Knox, I'd probably say, "This is good Jello." Or "This is bad Jello." Regardless of flavor.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: The Latinist on August 20, 2019, 07:24:38 PM
Jell-O is a brand, and I've always said "Jell-O" to refer to any sweetened, flavored gelatin dessert, regardless of flavor or brand.

Sure. But you don't, I imagine, refer to the Knox brand as if it were a flavor of Jell-O. I doubt if someone asked you what kind of Jell-O you wanted, you would respond, "Knox."

No. But if someone gave me a bowl of Knox, I'd probably say, "This is good Jello." Or "This is bad Jello." Regardless of flavor.

But that is fundamentally different from what we are talking about.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Ah.hell on August 21, 2019, 10:13:17 AM
The Jello comparison to coke as the generic word for soda would really be more akin to saying, "I'd like some Orange flavored Lime Jello please." 

Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Ah.hell on August 21, 2019, 10:17:23 AM
They didn't mean jam. Jam is made from fruit that has been macerated and cooked down. Jelly is made from the juice of the fruit. Grape jelly and red pepper jelly are about the consistency of thick jello. They are clear, with no fruit parts in the food.
This must be a regional thing, "peanut butter and jelly" is any sandwich made with peanut butter pretty much any sweet preserved fruit product.   I never made a distinction between jelly, jam, nor preserves. 
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 21, 2019, 10:54:28 AM
They didn't mean jam. Jam is made from fruit that has been macerated and cooked down. Jelly is made from the juice of the fruit. Grape jelly and red pepper jelly are about the consistency of thick jello. They are clear, with no fruit parts in the food.
This must be a regional thing, "peanut butter and jelly" is any sandwich made with peanut butter pretty much any sweet preserved fruit product.   I never made a distinction between jelly, jam, nor preserves.

edit: I answered this half asleep giving pretty much the same answer as brill without having seen it in the same post. I need more sleep. Eating jam on toast to wake up  >:D
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: brilligtove on August 21, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
They didn't mean jam. Jam is made from fruit that has been macerated and cooked down. Jelly is made from the juice of the fruit. Grape jelly and red pepper jelly are about the consistency of thick jello. They are clear, with no fruit parts in the food.
This must be a regional thing, "peanut butter and jelly" is any sandwich made with peanut butter pretty much any sweet preserved fruit product.   I never made a distinction between jelly, jam, nor preserves.

edit: I answered this half asleep giving pretty much the same answer as brill without having seen it in the same post. I need more sleep. Eating jam on toast to wake up  >:D

noun: jam
a sweet spread or preserve made from fruit and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: jelly
a sweet, clear, semisolid spread or preserve made from fruit juice and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: marmalade
a preserve made from citrus fruit, especially bitter oranges, prepared like jam.


Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: moj on August 21, 2019, 03:28:28 PM
They didn't mean jam. Jam is made from fruit that has been macerated and cooked down. Jelly is made from the juice of the fruit. Grape jelly and red pepper jelly are about the consistency of thick jello. They are clear, with no fruit parts in the food.
This must be a regional thing, "peanut butter and jelly" is any sandwich made with peanut butter pretty much any sweet preserved fruit product.   I never made a distinction between jelly, jam, nor preserves.

edit: I answered this half asleep giving pretty much the same answer as brill without having seen it in the same post. I need more sleep. Eating jam on toast to wake up  >:D

noun: jam
a sweet spread or preserve made from fruit and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: jelly
a sweet, clear, semisolid spread or preserve made from fruit juice and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: marmalade
a preserve made from citrus fruit, especially bitter oranges, prepared like jam.

I disagree that clear should be part of the jelly def. Grape jelly is not clear, it may be clearer than jam, but clear implies translucent. I'm struggling to think of a jelly I can see through.


(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/2a54ee1e-dab4-4b42-a8ef-6f6b1c469875_1.18b7488cad1b0b46fbab6d31df5981c3.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF).
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: brilligtove on August 21, 2019, 03:37:20 PM
They didn't mean jam. Jam is made from fruit that has been macerated and cooked down. Jelly is made from the juice of the fruit. Grape jelly and red pepper jelly are about the consistency of thick jello. They are clear, with no fruit parts in the food.
This must be a regional thing, "peanut butter and jelly" is any sandwich made with peanut butter pretty much any sweet preserved fruit product.   I never made a distinction between jelly, jam, nor preserves.

edit: I answered this half asleep giving pretty much the same answer as brill without having seen it in the same post. I need more sleep. Eating jam on toast to wake up  >:D

noun: jam
a sweet spread or preserve made from fruit and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: jelly
a sweet, clear, semisolid spread or preserve made from fruit juice and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: marmalade
a preserve made from citrus fruit, especially bitter oranges, prepared like jam.

I disagree that clear should be part of the jelly def. Grape jelly is not clear, it may be clearer than jam, but clear implies translucent. I'm struggling to think of a jelly I can see through.


(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/2a54ee1e-dab4-4b42-a8ef-6f6b1c469875_1.18b7488cad1b0b46fbab6d31df5981c3.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF).

"Clear" because it does not have fruit solids in it. In addition, jam is on the opaque end of translucent, while jelly is at the transparent end. The definition is not claiming it is clear like optical glass.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Calinthalus on August 21, 2019, 04:10:06 PM
Apple jelly is very translucent.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Tassie Dave on August 21, 2019, 04:10:47 PM
They didn't mean jam. Jam is made from fruit that has been macerated and cooked down. Jelly is made from the juice of the fruit. Grape jelly and red pepper jelly are about the consistency of thick jello. They are clear, with no fruit parts in the food.
This must be a regional thing, "peanut butter and jelly" is any sandwich made with peanut butter pretty much any sweet preserved fruit product.   I never made a distinction between jelly, jam, nor preserves.

edit: I answered this half asleep giving pretty much the same answer as brill without having seen it in the same post. I need more sleep. Eating jam on toast to wake up  >:D

noun: jam
a sweet spread or preserve made from fruit and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: jelly
a sweet, clear, semisolid spread or preserve made from fruit juice and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: marmalade
a preserve made from citrus fruit, especially bitter oranges, prepared like jam.

Australia and New Zealand Food Standards define Jam here as:
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2015L00459

Quote
Jam:

                                                  (a)        means:

                                                               (i)         a product prepared by processing one or more of the following:

                                                                            (A)        fruit;

                                                                            (B)        concentrated fruit juice;

                                                                            (C)       fruit juice;

                                                                            (D)       water extracts of fruit; or

                                                               (ii)        such a product processed with sugars or honey; and

                                                  (b)        includes conserve; and

                                                  (c)        does not include marmalade.


Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 21, 2019, 04:23:42 PM
buttered toast with strawberry jam is one of my favorite flavors of vape juice.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Ah.hell on August 21, 2019, 05:43:54 PM
noun: jam
a sweet spread or preserve made from fruit and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: jelly
a sweet, clear, semisolid spread or preserve made from fruit juice and sugar boiled to a thick consistency.

noun: marmalade
a preserve made from citrus fruit, especially bitter oranges, prepared like jam.
Not really my point though.  PB&Jelly in my experience is any that with peanut butter between bread.  My preferred version is peanut butter and strawberry preserves, everyone I know would still call that a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. 
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: The Latinist on August 21, 2019, 06:06:13 PM
Indeed, Ah.hell, while most people I know would differentiate between jelly, jam, and marmalade as Brilligtove has (although they would often also refer to jams as 'preserves'), they would probably call a sandwich made with peanut butter and jam a 'peanut butter and jelly sandwich.'

I still have a hard time not calling a PB&J a 'peanut butter and jellyfish' sandwich, because that's what my mother used to call them to be cutesy.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: Captain Video on August 21, 2019, 08:42:14 PM
+1 on calling it peanut butter and jelly regardless of it actually being Jam or preserves.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: brilligtove on August 21, 2019, 08:54:05 PM
It is entirely possible that I did the same as a kid. I have no idea when I learned the difference among the preserves and started to use the names with some precision.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: amysrevenge on August 22, 2019, 09:46:37 AM
I have long since devolved to initials only, but I still *think* jelly when I say J.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: brilligtove on August 22, 2019, 11:51:32 AM
I have long since devolved to initials only, but I still *think* jelly when I say J.

As a person with two names that start with J, I feel the need to firmly state that I will NOT respond well to being called Jelly. I had a dog named Jelly at one point, but the only characteristic he shared with jelly was continuous quivering with nervous energy - jealousy, mostly. We ended up calling him JJ, for Jealous Jelly. Still not to be confused with Brilligtove's real name. :) I do respond to JJ IRL (a very small set of people call me that).

...How the heck did we get to here from 'coke'?

:)
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: seamas on August 26, 2019, 11:40:58 AM

...How the heck did we get to here from 'coke'?

:)

Don't know, but am considering inventing a cola flavored gelatin (jello) or perhaps a cola jelly.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: AQB24712 on August 26, 2019, 03:11:36 PM
I love this thread so much that Pee-wee Herman would tell me to marry it.  :roflolmao:

I live in eastern Pennsylvania, where it's soda.  I grew up in southern West Virginia, where it's pop.  Somehow I ended up with "coke" as my generic.  Sometimes co-cola.  And sometimes sody-pop.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: arthwollipot on August 26, 2019, 08:20:56 PM
Sody-pop. That's adorable.
Title: Re: Soda, Pop, Coke, or other?
Post by: gebobs on August 27, 2019, 01:39:33 PM
Growing up in Buffalo and summering in Ontario, we called it pop. Now I call it "sodie pop" just for kicks. Some of the old-timers called it that. For the purposes of being assorted in the poll, I'll go with pop.