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Title: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 03:13:17 PM
I grew up in an area where "hero" was most common, "sub" slightly less so.

Where I live now --only a few counties away "wedge" is the common term. Never heard that before moving here.

If I go an hour or so East/northeast I am in Grinder land. Go 2 or 3 hours south / southeast and Hoagie becomes better known.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: 2397 on August 19, 2019, 03:21:33 PM
Big sandwich. Or sandwich. Or (large) baguette.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Ah.hell on August 19, 2019, 03:25:13 PM
Sub, but I'm abstaining because its never a "submarine".   Its a bit unfair though, I was not exposed to such a sandwich until adulthood, when my first exposure was Subway. 
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 03:31:31 PM
Sub, but I'm abstaining because its never a "submarine".   

I've removed the offensive "submarine" for you so you can participate
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 19, 2019, 03:36:25 PM
Philly cheesesteak, 12"er.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Captain Video on August 19, 2019, 03:38:31 PM
This is a good one but you will have to define whats in the sandwich as I mite have several of those on the same menu

If you are referring to the basic Italian sandwich with varying ingredients but basically ham, capicola, salami, provolone on a long flute shaped roll I call that a sub

Going up in Pennsylvania we called it a Hoagie but when i moved to Florida and later Georgia nobody knows wtf i'm talking about so i grew accustomed to calling it a sub. Plus subway screwed those sandwiches up for everyone.

If you put it in the oven it becomes a grinder.

if you put it on some kind of sliced bread piled high with stuff it becomes a Dagwood

Po-Boys have specific ingredients and are different than subs. Often with fried seafood or roast beef/gravy. Much like a "Cuban" would also not be called a sub but it looks similar.

Its possible to make a roast beef sub that does not qualify as a po-boy and vice versa.

A wedge is taken from a muffuletta which yet again a different sandwich.

Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 03:49:55 PM
A wedge is taken from a muffuletta which yet again a different sandwich.

According to lore "wedge"  (very localized to the counties of Westchester NY and Fairfield CT) originated in Yonkers as a shortening of sandwich.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 03:51:46 PM
If you are referring to the basic Italian sandwich with varying ingredients but basically ham, capicola, salami, provolone on a long flute shaped roll I call that a sub

Here that is called Italian combo wedge--but could be had on a kaiser as Italian combo on a roll.
Interesting tidbit: the Italian sub originated in Maine of all places.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: amysrevenge on August 19, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
Sub, but definitely not an ideological prescriptivist about it.  There is zero outrage in my life for anyone who wants to name any sandwich almost anything they like, as long as it's recognizably in the sandwich family of names.

(Same for pizza, anything even vaguely pizza-ish can be called whatever you like.)
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 03:58:13 PM

(Same for pizza, anything even vaguely pizza-ish can be called whatever you like.)

Do you accept when it is called pie?
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: amysrevenge on August 19, 2019, 04:07:02 PM

(Same for pizza, anything even vaguely pizza-ish can be called whatever you like.)

Do you accept when it is called pie?

It isn't (at any point in my life), but in theory I could deal.  As long as there isn't a significant chance for it to be confused for an apple pie, don't care.  Call your shit what you like.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: amysrevenge on August 19, 2019, 04:10:43 PM
I will often try to gently poke fun at recipe prescriptivists, by, for example, publicly calling my product "jabalaya-inspired rice dish" or "pizza-inspired flatbread" or whatever, because you know someone is just going to say "hey man, you put normal smoked sausage in there and jabmalaya has to have anduille sausage so what you're making isn't jambalaya".
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Captain Video on August 19, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
A wedge is taken from a muffuletta which yet again a different sandwich.

According to lore "wedge"  (very localized to the counties of Westchester NY and Fairfield CT) originated in Yonkers as a shortening of sandwich.

I do vaguely remember reference to those when I lived up north now that I think about it. 

They mite call them different names in deferent areas but they also have different ways of making them that can make them unique.

What mite make that wedge different is the specific bread they use or the specific way they make it.

I think some sandwiches have been so screwed up by the fast food chains its difficult to figure out what the original sandwiches are supposed to taste like.

If subway makes what they try to call a reuben is it still a reuben or is it actually a corned beef and swiss sub with sour kraut and thousand islands, I say the latter.

amysrevenge can make fun of me  >:D
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 04:21:11 PM
I think some sandwiches have been so screwed up by the fast food chains its difficult to figure out what the original sandwiches are supposed to taste like.

I agree. I am lucky in that I can get to at least two excellent delicatessens during my lunch break.
One of them is very popular and for good reason.
Though there might be a line of ten people ahead of you, there are at least six people behind the counter filling the orders--and they make a good sandwich.

I grew up accustomed to these places, and lament that their numbers are dwindling.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Ah.hell on August 19, 2019, 04:48:45 PM
It isn't (at any point in my life), but in theory I could deal.  As long as there isn't a significant chance for it to be confused for an apple pie, don't care.  Call your shit what you like.
I basically agree, call it what you like unless its going to cause confusion. 

If its got corned beef or pastrami, swiss cheese, saurkraut, thousand island or russian dressing and comes on rye, sure call it a reuben.  If its all that but on white bread, not a reuben.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: amysrevenge on August 19, 2019, 05:04:19 PM
It isn't (at any point in my life), but in theory I could deal.  As long as there isn't a significant chance for it to be confused for an apple pie, don't care.  Call your shit what you like.
I basically agree, call it what you like unless its going to cause confusion. 

If its got corned beef or pastrami, swiss cheese, saurkraut, thousand island or russian dressing and comes on rye, sure call it a reuben.  If its all that but on white bread, not a reuben.

Reuben-inspired sandwich.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Harry Black on August 19, 2019, 05:06:56 PM
In delis here you just ask for a roll.
Chicken roll, salad roll, breakfast roll etc.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Captain Video on August 19, 2019, 05:09:28 PM
In delis here you just ask for a roll.
Chicken roll, salad roll, breakfast roll etc.

they have that here with some things

clam roll
Lobster roll
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 05:17:10 PM
I have visited coastal Maine at least a dozen times over the last 20 years and this was the first time I ever ordered a Lobster roll.
Pretty satisfying.


(typically, when I eat lobster, I buy them live and steam them)
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Harry Black on August 19, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
In delis here you just ask for a roll.
Chicken roll, salad roll, breakfast roll etc.

they have that here with some things

clam roll
Lobster roll
Thats just lobster in a baguette? That. Sounds terrible lol!
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Captain Video on August 19, 2019, 05:29:38 PM
The best sandwich in town IMO is from a place called Star Provisions. They have their own farm and cows.

Its prosciutto di parma, parmigiano reggiano shavings and fresh churned butter on a baguette.

I have never been to France but my ex claims its the closest thing to a real french baguette she has ever had. Its crispy and floury and airy and OH MY GOD! If I wasn't such a skeptic it would be proof that god does exist.  Its the best bread I have ever had.

Its not the best ham I have ever had but it is a higher end prosciutto thats extremely good. (I personally think the Spanish Serrano and Iberico hams are better)

I hesitate to call a Sub, it has no vegetables not that vegetables define a sub. Calling it a sub would feel like I am lowering the status of this masterpiece.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Captain Video on August 19, 2019, 05:35:35 PM
In delis here you just ask for a roll.
Chicken roll, salad roll, breakfast roll etc.

they have that here with some things

clam roll
Lobster roll
Thats just lobster in a baguette? That. Sounds terrible lol!

LOL

There are two versions of this and other regional variations of those.  A hot with butter on the baguette and a cold with mayo,

The cold is served on a buttered toasted "split"sweet roll (and sometimes a hotdog bun) Its my favorite but expensive.


Here in ATL they have a "clam roll" that is made with fried clam strips (ala Howard Johnsons) on a small split dinner roll with mayo
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 05:51:25 PM
Often  he lobster roll has lettuce and tomato as well.

The cold can sometimes be pretty much a lobster salad.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 19, 2019, 05:57:48 PM
A common sandwich I only became familiar with about 10 years ago is a "Balboa".

I thought it was just a nickname a this particular pub used for a steak and cheese sandwich (on a garlic bread sub) that was some offhand approximation to a Philly Cheese steak.
Now I found that the name for this is fairly common, but originated somewhere in this county.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: arthwollipot on August 19, 2019, 07:39:16 PM
A sub, but only because of Subway. Prior to subway, it was just a roll or a bun - there wasn't any particular word that was used to refer to it. When filled with salad, it was a salad roll. Putting other stuff on it wasn't really a thing.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: daniel1948 on August 19, 2019, 07:45:16 PM
I can't answer the poll because, as Captain Video said, it depends on the sandwich. If it's on a long, submarine-shaped bread roll, it's a sub. If it's square sliced bread piled so high you cannot eat it unless your jaws unhinge like those of a python, then it's a Dagwood, after the comic character. Anything else is just a sandwich.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 20, 2019, 10:05:13 AM
I am surprised "hero" hasn't had any votes.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: The Latinist on August 20, 2019, 10:49:57 AM
Where and when I grew up, a sandwich on a long roll was grinder. Now around here in CT it's either a grinder or a sub.  I've encountered heroes in NY state. I've never heard of a wedge, though I suppose I've never tried to buy a sandwich in Fairfield County.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Oh Henry on August 20, 2019, 02:23:32 PM
Sub, but I'm abstaining because its never a "submarine".   

I've removed the offensive "submarine" for you so you can participate


My mother was rather formal in this - she always called it a "submarine sandwich." Everyone else in the family just called it a "sub."
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Oh Henry on August 20, 2019, 02:40:43 PM
Where and when I grew up, a sandwich on a long roll was grinder. Now around here in CT it's either a grinder or a sub.  I've encountered heroes in NY state. I've never heard of a wedge, though I suppose I've never tried to buy a sandwich in Fairfield County.

In the Philadelphia area, a NON-cheesesteak sandwich on a long roll is a hoagie. A warm/toasted hoagie becomes a grinder.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: The Latinist on August 20, 2019, 03:47:10 PM
In New England, a grinder may be hot or cold.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: wastrel on August 20, 2019, 06:52:47 PM
Grinder is not unheard of here, but sub is by far the most common.

There's one shop I can think of that calls it a hero, but I think it is just to be quirky.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: arthwollipot on August 20, 2019, 08:40:41 PM
I have never heard, in the wild as it were, a sandwich referred to as a Hero, Hoagie, Grinder, Wedge, Po-Boy, Dagwood, Bomber, Spuckie, or Torpedo. I was aware that some people referred to Heroes and Hoagies, but I haven't ever even heard of the other terms. Not even in American popular culture. "Po-boy" WTF?
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: The Latinist on August 20, 2019, 08:48:22 PM
Po’ Boy is a shortening of Poor Boy, a sandwich for the working class. It originated, as far as I know, with a particular shop in New Orleans.  It’s a very local term, originally, though it’s become more trendy.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: arthwollipot on August 20, 2019, 08:51:05 PM
Po’ Boy is a shortening of Poor Boy, a sandwich for the working class. It originated, as far as I know, with a particular shop in New Orleans.  It’s a very local term, originally, though it’s become more trendy.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Captain Video on August 20, 2019, 10:11:21 PM
Po’ Boy is a shortening of Poor Boy, a sandwich for the working class. It originated, as far as I know, with a particular shop in New Orleans.  It’s a very local term, originally, though it’s become more trendy.

Interesting.

My favorite is a shrimp Po-boy.  Usually New Orleans seasoned deep fried gulf shrimp (prawns) dressed with lettuce, tomato, pickles and remoulade sauce on a crusty french roll.

They do the same with fried oysters and fried fish.

They have a roast beef Po-boy but its different than roast beef "subs" in the rest of the US, it has a rich brown gravy made with a dark roux but they still dress it with the above vegetables and sauce. Personally I like it much better without the vegetables.

This reminds me of another term "Dips" or French Dips  which originated in LA but you find them everywhere including sub shops. Roasted meats on a soft roll dipped in meat juice then served with a side of the juice. There is some argument and controversy over the order in which you apply the juice. I have never had an original from one of the two locations that fight over the title but I can only guess that I have had some decent close approximations. Never at a sub shop but its pretty darn close to a sub.  Chicago has the "Italian beef" which is similar. 

In most cases these regional sandwiches are best from the area they originated but not always.  Much like it wont taste like a "Philly" cheese steak unless you are getting it in Philly but who cares, I mite be from that area but even I admit the ones from Philly are not that great and cheese whiz sucks.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Tassie Dave on August 21, 2019, 03:39:56 AM
It's either 'a roll' or a specific type of roll i.e 'chicken roll', 'salad roll'
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: moj on August 21, 2019, 10:53:00 AM
Here there not really a specific go to term, it's really dependent on what type of sandwich it is. I don't eat a lot of large sammies so I might just not be in the know? I'm familiar with all the terms listed due to pop culture but only ever really hear sub in real life.


ETA spect for po-boy, that refers to a very specific type of sandwich and not sure it should be on a list of generic terms.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: seamas on August 26, 2019, 11:43:06 AM
ETA spect for po-boy, that refers to a very specific type of sandwich and not sure it should be on a list of generic terms.

Not all that specific. there are a whole variety of Po-Boys on New Orleans menus.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: moj on August 26, 2019, 11:50:49 AM
ETA spect for po-boy, that refers to a very specific type of sandwich and not sure it should be on a list of generic terms.

Not all that specific. there are a whole variety of Po-Boys on New Orleans menus.

True, but there is still a criteria to being a po-boy that is different from a generic term for large sandwich. A whole wheat sub with ham, swiss and mustered is a not a po-boy but could be any of the other generic sandwich terms. A banh mi is the same way. There are a lot of types and variety of of them out there, but not every large sandwich can be one.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: Captain Video on August 26, 2019, 02:28:10 PM
Has anyone ever eaten at Schlotzsky's? I had one yesterday and it was horrible.

I think I rank them far below subway except they also have Cinnabon which if fresh gives them a few bonus points.

They have round sandwiches "inspired" very loosely after the Muffuletta from New Orleans. It is a "big sandwich" and they have three sizes, one is bigger than my face but I would not be able to classify them in any of the categories above and I certainly would never call them a Muffuletta because 5 fake black olive slices is not an olive salad and cheddar cheese NEVER works with Italian meats. 

I don't know what you call them, this is what they look like

(https://cdn.schlotzskys.com/-/media/schlotzskys/menu/sandwiches/the-original_874x440.jpg?v=1&d=20180104T171756Z)

The sourdough bun thing in the picture is dry as hell, so is the pumpernickel on the "not-a reuben" that they also sell.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: gebobs on August 27, 2019, 01:43:42 PM
By the way, the inner pollack in me wants to call a sandwich a "sangwidge".
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: amysrevenge on August 27, 2019, 04:00:02 PM
Haha my mother-in-law says "sandridge".
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: AQB24712 on August 27, 2019, 05:33:49 PM
By the way, the inner pollack in me wants to call a sandwich a "sangwidge".

One of my speech communication students said "sangwich."  I tried to correct her by telling her she was ruining the punch line:

Why won't you starve in the desert?
Because of all the sandwiches there.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: arthwollipot on August 27, 2019, 07:54:10 PM
Why won't you starve in the desert?
Because of all the sandwiches there.

That's a bit like something I made up during the GW Bush years.

We have a new power station. It's just over there. You can't see it? That's because it's see-through. It's our new, clear power station.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: The Latinist on August 28, 2019, 01:49:10 AM
Do you pronounce ‘nuclear’ with two syllables, Art?  Or do you pronounce clear with two?  Because to me ‘new-clear’ is very different from ‘nuclear.’
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: arthwollipot on August 28, 2019, 02:12:21 AM
Do you pronounce ‘nuclear’ with two syllables, Art?  Or do you pronounce clear with two?  Because to me ‘new-clear’ is very different from ‘nuclear.’

Clear has two syllables. Clee-ah (remembering the non-rhotic R), although in common speech they would probably run together a little bit.

The other difference is that an American would pronounce the first syllable "noo-" rather than "nyoo-" to rhyme with the sound a kitten makes.

Okay, maybe it wasn't the most transportable joke.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: The Latinist on August 28, 2019, 02:47:29 AM
What sort of mutant kittens do you have down under?
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: arthwollipot on August 28, 2019, 02:49:08 AM
Ones that say "mew" to rhyme with "new".
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: The Latinist on August 28, 2019, 02:49:45 AM
Freaks.
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Post by: arthwollipot on August 28, 2019, 03:29:59 AM
Adorable, fluffy freaks.
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: gebobs on August 28, 2019, 09:51:36 AM
By the way, the inner pollack in me wants to call a sandwich a "sangwidge".

One of my speech communication students said "sangwich."  I tried to correct her by telling her she was ruining the punch line:

Why won't you starve in the desert?
Because of all the sandwiches there.

You can't ruin that punchline. ;-)
Title: Re: Big Sandwich to go with the Pop, soda, coke
Post by: amysrevenge on August 28, 2019, 11:39:44 AM
Well, it's funny for a different reason if the punchline is:

Because of all the sangwidges there.