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Title: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Tassie Dave on February 09, 2020, 06:42:03 PM
Ok I don't fully know what happened a week ago  ???, but thanks to Belgarath and any others who worked hard to get it back up and online.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: stands2reason on February 09, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
Was wondering the same. What did we miss?
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 09, 2020, 06:59:05 PM
Was wondering the same. What did we miss?

Nothing since it was down for the entire week. :)

I posted to the modcave about what we have and what I think happened, I need a bit of rest and I need to play with my dogs a bit.  Tomorrow when I'm not so tired, I'll try to put something up.

- New Registrations are temporarily disabled
- We may be missing some posts and some newly registered members have been removed.
- There will be minor annoyances as we recover some more items, and many of the forum modifications are missing (like posts, as an example)

BUT we do have all the content back and didn't lose a big chunk of it like last time in 2010 (or whenever that was)

Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Awatsjr on February 09, 2020, 07:10:56 PM
We'll live. Good job recovering!
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: AQB24712 on February 09, 2020, 07:19:43 PM
Thank you, Belgarath!  (And wastrel and your other helpful colleagues.) .  :worship:
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 09, 2020, 07:37:53 PM
NOTE:

If you sent a PM to anyone after 2am EST on Feb 1, those were not backed up and thus lost.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 09, 2020, 07:40:48 PM
I have made a post explaining the events as best I can here (https://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,51738.new.html#new).
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: 2397 on February 09, 2020, 07:51:38 PM
I was slightly worried it had something to do with me essentially requesting a new user class to use for posting podcast episode threads, and something going catastrophically wrong when someone tried to make one.

Or someone tried to route the Iowa caucus results through this website.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Desert Fox on February 09, 2020, 08:26:29 PM
Thank you for restoring functions
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on February 09, 2020, 08:26:44 PM
Thanks, Belgarath & Co.!

P.S. Was it Nazis?
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: werecow on February 09, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
Thanks tech team! The uncontrollable shaking was becoming annoying.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/2GjTdNHnmk2IM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Captain Video on February 09, 2020, 09:00:10 PM
Thank you Bel and everyone who put in their time to fix this. 
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Eternally Learning on February 09, 2020, 10:23:16 PM
Thanks to Belgarath and everyone else! Absolutely fantastic that very little was lost this time.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 10, 2020, 12:00:39 AM
I've created a thread for reporting post-crash issues with the forum (https://sguforums.com/index.php/topic,51739.0.html).  Please report any such issues there.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Sawyer on February 10, 2020, 12:31:29 AM
 :11tea: :11tea: :11tea: :11tea: :11tea:

Thanks for all the hard work you do, Belg.


Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on February 10, 2020, 05:39:26 AM
Merci, beau coup! Or a sedan if you prefer.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: fuzzyMarmot on February 10, 2020, 07:39:12 AM
Thank you so much for your work on this, Belgarath! You are amazing. Thanks also to anyone else who worked on the recovery project.

If anyone is interested, perhaps we can coordinate a way to expressing gratitude to these folks. Send me a message if you are interested!
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Muriel on February 10, 2020, 10:00:27 AM
Thanks a lot to the team for working tirelessly to bring the site back online!! :D

I felt I was missing out of some information the first few days. After a while I discovered this Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/454302798036012/

Which was comforting as it told me the site was being worked on.
It's a private group, though, so someone will have to approve newcomers.

Are there other places we could have gone to get information about the outage?
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: John Albert on February 10, 2020, 10:27:37 AM
Thanks to everyone who sacrificed their time, effort and sanity to help restore the forums. When we meet in person, remind me and I'll happily buy you a drink.

Is there any chance this might have been cause by a hardware failure? The randomly spreading data corruption (starting with the AV software, then occurring in the database) sounds like it could have been caused by a hard drive or drive array controller failure.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 10, 2020, 10:30:17 AM
Thanks to everyone who sacrificed their time, effort and sanity to help restore the forums. When we meet in person, remind me and I'll happily buy you a drink.

Is there any chance this might have been cause by a hardware failure? The randomly spreading data corruption (starting with the AV software, then occurring in the database) sounds like it could have been caused by a hard drive or drive array controller failure.

This is possible, but quite unlikely as the server is a VPS on a shared host.  However, I'm still looking into the issue.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: drwfishesman on February 10, 2020, 10:34:25 AM
Ha man, I remember the actual apocalypse....so many lost hours.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Shibboleth on February 10, 2020, 10:41:06 AM
I was worried that that coronavirus jumped from animal to machines.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: seamas on February 10, 2020, 11:04:41 AM
Thanks for the hard work. It is appreciated.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Swagomatic on February 10, 2020, 11:29:49 AM
 8) Thanks to all!!
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: random poet on February 10, 2020, 02:41:46 PM
Thanks for fixing the thing, guys. Now get to work on the Iowa caucus fiasco.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 10, 2020, 02:58:52 PM
Thanks for getting it up and running again!

When I signed in now, I was supposed to accept a privacy policy that was updated during February. What was that about? Why? How did it differ from the previous one?
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 10, 2020, 03:04:16 PM
Thanks for getting it up and running again!

When I signed in now, I was supposed to accept a privacy policy that was updated during February. What was that about? Why? How did it differ from the previous one?

It just changed how we manage GDPR, it's the same policy, it's just now managed by the core SMF software, not an add-on.

Spoiler
(Actually you signed it without reading it?  Now you have to give me all your money......)  >:D >:D >:D
[close]
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: dinobiscuits on February 10, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Great job restoring the forum! 8)

I run an SMF forum so I'll be interested to know what happened if you work it out. Out of curiosity, was the software updated to the most recent version (2.0.17) when the crash happened?

Are there other places we could have gone to get information about the outage?
.

Yes, I felt in the dark too, as I'm not a member of the Facebook group.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Awatsjr on February 10, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
Thanks for getting it up and running again!

When I signed in now, I was supposed to accept a privacy policy that was updated during February. What was that about? Why? How did it differ from the previous one?

It just changed how we manage GDPR, it's the same policy, it's just now managed by the core SMF software, not an add-on.

Spoiler
(Actually you signed it without reading it?  Now you have to give me all your money......)  >:D >:D >:D
[close]

I want do-overs!
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 10, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
Great job restoring the forum! 8)

I run an SMF forum so I'll be interested to know what happened if you work it out. Out of curiosity, was the software updated to the most recent version (2.0.17) when the crash happened?

Are there other places we could have gone to get information about the outage?
.

Yes, I felt in the dark too, as I'm not a member of the Facebook group.


Forum was on 2.0.15


I tried to set a manually typed index.html on the server.  I was not quick about doing it and as I messed around it kept getting removed.

Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: werecow on February 10, 2020, 06:41:37 PM
I saw that one. At one point I also saw this:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cZtMfO.jpg)

I resisted the intense urge to click that button. }|:op
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 10, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
I saw that one. At one point I also saw this:

(https://i.imgur.com/6cZtMfO.jpg)

I resisted the intense urge to click that button. }|:op


I would have KILLED you :P



Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: daniel1948 on February 10, 2020, 08:55:41 PM
Thanks a bunch to Belgarath and The Latinist and anyone else who worked on this. I didn't know there was a Facebook group, but since I don't do Facebook, it wouldn't have mattered if I'd known. I appreciate that after the first couple of days there was a note to the effect that you were working on it.

"You never miss your water 'til the well runs dry." I didn't realize how much this forum means to me.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: xenu on February 10, 2020, 11:33:42 PM
Thanks all. The BB was sorely missed.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: jt512 on February 11, 2020, 02:53:20 AM
Thanks all. The BB was sorely missed.


The "BB"?  I think you're dating yourself.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: dinobiscuits on February 11, 2020, 07:29:45 AM
Great job restoring the forum! 8)

I run an SMF forum so I'll be interested to know what happened if you work it out. Out of curiosity, was the software updated to the most recent version (2.0.17) when the crash happened?

Are there other places we could have gone to get information about the outage?
.

Yes, I felt in the dark too, as I'm not a member of the Facebook group.


Forum was on 2.0.15


I tried to set a manually typed index.html on the server.  I was not quick about doing it and as I messed around it kept getting removed.

2.0.16 and 17 included some security improvements over 2.0.15, so maybe a vulnerability was exploited. Not that an explanation requires foul-play.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: xenu on February 11, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
Thanks all. The BB was sorely missed.


The "BB"?  I think you're dating yourself.

Well ya  ;)
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Friendly Angel on February 11, 2020, 02:30:59 PM
Post count reset to zero twice, but not this time!

I was really out of sorts for a week there... hugs and kudos to all the fixers.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 11, 2020, 02:44:09 PM
Didn't even know this forum has a Facebook group. I assume it is not the same as the SGU Facebook group.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 11, 2020, 03:01:32 PM
Post count reset to zero twice, but not this time!

Man, now you're tempting me to set your post count randomly to zero...
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: werecow on February 11, 2020, 03:38:59 PM
Heh, I don't do much on facebook, but I tried to rejoin the irc channel to see what's up. Apparently my client is still banned due to connection issues I had there a while back.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 11, 2020, 04:26:55 PM
I long suspected that there was a secret sub-forum here only available to specially selected people. Turns out there is one, except that it is a Facebook group, not a sub-forum. Who knew?
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on February 11, 2020, 04:33:09 PM
I long suspected that there was a secret sub-forum here only available to specially selected people. Turns out there is one, except that it is a Facebook group, not a sub-forum. Who knew?
Not I

Then again I have eschewed facebook as well
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: xenu on February 11, 2020, 04:51:46 PM
I long suspected that there was a secret sub-forum here only available to specially selected people. Turns out there is one, except that it is a Facebook group, not a sub-forum. Who knew?
Not I

Then again I have eschewed facebook as well

I got off Facebook 4 years ago. I found no use for it. Until now when the forum went out.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: stands2reason on February 11, 2020, 06:20:28 PM
Post count reset to zero twice, but not this time!

Man, now you're tempting me to set your post count randomly to zero...

Code: [Select]
$ sudo kill -9
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Friendly Angel on February 11, 2020, 06:26:59 PM
Post count reset to zero twice, but not this time!

Man, now you're tempting me to set your post count randomly to zero...

Code: [Select]
$ sudo kill -9

Dudes... I gave hugs and kudos... don't taze me.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 11, 2020, 07:09:40 PM
I long suspected that there was a secret sub-forum here only available to specially selected people. Turns out there is one, except that it is a Facebook group, not a sub-forum. Who knew?

That facebook group was created by forum members when the forum crashed five years ago. It was never a secret, has always been publicly accessible, and nobody had posted on it since 2015 until last week.

As for for a secret insider's forum here, I don't know how many times you need to be told that there isn't one. There only area of the board that you can't access is the subforum Private Administration Topics, where moderators discuss moderation decisions and the tech admins discuss and document our activities. Frankly, your paranoia verges on pathological.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: John Albert on February 11, 2020, 07:16:31 PM
Nobody tell him about the "We Hate Quetzalcoatl" Facebook group...

Oh no, I've said too much already!
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: xenu on February 11, 2020, 07:19:14 PM
Was there a mafia game going on at the time of the crash?
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 11, 2020, 07:25:38 PM
Was there a mafia game going on at the time of the crash?

There's an ongoing Secret Hitler game...
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: xenu on February 11, 2020, 07:29:08 PM
Was there a mafia game going on at the time of the crash?

There's an ongoing Secret Hitler game...

I think I saw that did it mess up their game?

Also I want to say it again thanks to everyone who is working on getting the forum fixed. It is like vodoo and magic what you people do at least to me.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on February 11, 2020, 07:36:06 PM
There only area of the board that you can't access is the subforum Private Administration Topics, where moderators discuss moderation decisions and the tech admins discuss and document our activities. Frankly, your paranoia verges on pathological.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSE4pndV4AEWFz9.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 11, 2020, 07:44:08 PM
Was there a mafia game going on at the time of the crash?

There's an ongoing Secret Hitler game...

I think I saw that did it mess up their game?

Also I want to say it again thanks to everyone who is working on getting the forum fixed. It is like vodoo and magic what you people do at least to me.  Thanks.

I'm running it and, although we lost some discussion, it did not permanently disrupt the game.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: arthwollipot on February 11, 2020, 09:04:31 PM
I was worried that that coronavirus jumped from animal to machines.

Since it coincided with a major bout of gastroenteritis for me, I was thinking along similar lines.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: amysrevenge on February 12, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
I long suspected that there was a secret sub-forum here only available to specially selected people. Turns out there is one, except that it is a Facebook group, not a sub-forum. Who knew?

That facebook group was created by forum members when the forum crashed five years ago. It was never a secret, has always been publicly accessible, and nobody had posted on it since 2015 until last week.

As for for a secret insider's forum here, I don't know how many times you need to be told that there isn't one. There only area of the board that you can't access is the subforum Private Administration Topics, where moderators discuss moderation decisions and the tech admins discuss and document our activities. Frankly, your paranoia verges on pathological.

Happy to be specially selected (by searching for and joining a public group).
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 12, 2020, 02:26:41 PM
I long suspected that there was a secret sub-forum here only available to specially selected people. Turns out there is one, except that it is a Facebook group, not a sub-forum. Who knew?

That facebook group was created by forum members when the forum crashed five years ago. It was never a secret, has always been publicly accessible, and nobody had posted on it since 2015 until last week.

That explanation makes sense.

As for for a secret insider's forum here, I don't know how many times you need to be told that there isn't one. There only area of the board that you can't access is the subforum Private Administration Topics, where moderators discuss moderation decisions and the tech admins discuss and document our activities. Frankly, your paranoia verges on pathological.

We all have our frailties. I admit I might be a little bit paranoid sometimes.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 12, 2020, 02:32:32 PM
Nobody tell him about the "We Hate Quetzalcoatl" Facebook group...

Oh no, I've said too much already!

Hand me an invitation, will ya? :P
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 12, 2020, 02:38:58 PM
- There will be minor annoyances as we recover some more items, and many of the forum modifications are missing (like posts, as an example)

Will the "like" function come back? If so, will previous "likes" of post made before the crash be restored?
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: jt512 on February 12, 2020, 03:54:38 PM
I long suspected that there was a secret sub-forum here only available to specially selected people. Turns out there is one, except that it is a Facebook group, not a sub-forum. Who knew?

That facebook group was created by forum members when the forum crashed five years ago. It was never a secret, has always been publicly accessible, and nobody had posted on it since 2015 until last week.

As for for a secret insider's forum here, I don't know how many times you need to be told that there isn't one.


That's exactly what someone who is hiding a secret insiders' forum would say (except he would put the apostrophe in the right place).
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: amysrevenge on February 12, 2020, 05:07:45 PM
I mean, depending on how secret it is, the apostrophe might be right.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 12, 2020, 07:03:22 PM
- There will be minor annoyances as we recover some more items, and many of the forum modifications are missing (like posts, as an example)

Will the "like" function come back? If so, will previous "likes" of post made before the crash be restored?


Possibly.  The data seems to still be available in the database.  When we find a like post mod that's maintained, we'll have to see how difficult it is to ETL the date into the new mod.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 12, 2020, 08:05:43 PM
Full disclosure: part of our deliberation process in deciding what to reimplement right away is the knowledge that there is a new version of our forum software that is likely to have its final release candidate build released within a couple of months, and it will incorporate many of the functions that are currently or were previously being carried out by extensions (including post liking). We are likely to have to put in significant effort migrating the data at that time.  We are also going to have to create a new theme because the theming engine is being completely changed.  We therefore don’t want to duplicate work that will have to be done again in a few months’ time. Personally, that means I’m not eager to put a lot of effort into fixing small issues with themes that will become useless when we upgrade.

Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: arthwollipot on February 12, 2020, 09:01:25 PM
My only request with new themes is that there is an option to make the read area fixed-width. I find it extremely fatiguing when the lines of text are too long, and it would probably result in my reduced participation in the forum. And that would be a real shame.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: daniel1948 on February 12, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
Full disclosure: part of our deliberation process in deciding what to reimplement right away is the knowledge that there is a new version of our forum software that is likely to have its final release candidate build released within a couple of months, and it will incorporate many of the functions that are currently or were previously being carried out by extensions (including post liking). We are likely to have to put in significant effort migrating the data at that time.  We are also going to have to create a new theme because the theming engine is being completely changed.  We therefore don’t want to duplicate work that will have to be done again in a few months’ time. Personally, that means I’m not eager to put a lot of effort into fixing small issues with themes that will become useless when we upgrade.



I'm just glad that the forum is back up and operating. Many thanks to you and Belgarath for that, and anyone else who has helped with it. :love:
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: werecow on February 12, 2020, 09:46:37 PM
My only request with new themes is that there is an option to make the read area fixed-width. I find it extremely fatiguing when the lines of text are too long, and it would probably result in my reduced participation in the forum. And that would be a real shame.

If the whole thing is going to be renewed and the old one thrown out, my request is support for a dark theme similar to the current one. Bright websites are (literally) migraine inducing.

(I'm no css/html hero, but I know a little bit, so if I can help port the existing dark theme to the new framework somehow, let me know.)
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 13, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
My only request with new themes is that there is an option to make the read area fixed-width. I find it extremely fatiguing when the lines of text are too long, and it would probably result in my reduced participation in the forum. And that would be a real shame.

If the whole thing is going to be renewed and the old one thrown out, my request is support for a dark theme similar to the current one. Bright websites are (literally) migraine inducing.

(I'm no css/html hero, but I know a little bit, so if I can help port the existing dark theme to the new framework somehow, let me know.)


Be careful, you might just be taken up on the offer :)



Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Calinthalus on February 13, 2020, 08:54:03 AM
I'm with our bovine lycanthropic friend here in preference for dark sites.


I also concur that you shouldn't put a ton of work on this if you're just going to have to redo it in a couple of months.  I miss the like button, but wouldn't hesitate to wait a couple of months for it to save the trouble of repeated work.  I get pissy here at work when I have to build a feature knowing I'm going to scrap it in a couple of months...and I'm getting paid for that work. 
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: daniel1948 on February 13, 2020, 09:17:47 AM
I like the like button also. The Tesla Motors Club board has a whole row of buttons. From (defective) memory, they are Like, Dislike, Love, Informative, and Funny. I may be leaving one or two out. It's nice to have. But none of that really matters compared to having the forum operative.

Oh, and I find dark theme to be unreadable, if that means white print against a black background. I use the default theme and prefer it. I can adjust the brightness of my computer screen to what is ideal for me.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 13, 2020, 09:20:51 AM
I expect that the new default theme will be a dark one, though we will give people the option of a lighter theme. The current theme was designed to match the SGU's previous site, and the color scheme was chosen for that purpose.  Frankly, I'm not sure how we're going to try to fit in with their new monstrosity of a site.  At least the previous site had a consistent design and color scheme.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: xenu on February 13, 2020, 09:33:45 AM
I think you should just limp the site as is untill the new update. No reason to do double work for nothing. 
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Belgarath on February 13, 2020, 11:02:32 AM
I think you should just limp the site as is untill the new update. No reason to do double work for nothing.


We're currently discussing in PM's what we can do within our schedules.  Right now, we're contemplating just cutting over to the RC.  We may do a bit of testing to see how feasible it is.  Suffice it to say, we know that the like and ignore functionality is a pain point and we're seeing what we can do within our schedules.



Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: amysrevenge on February 13, 2020, 11:23:56 AM
Am I the only one using the SGUwhey theme?  I don't hear anyone talk about it, but I like it as a compromise between the headache-inducing white and the eye-straining dark.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 13, 2020, 11:29:08 AM
Am I the only one using the SGUwhey theme?

There are currently 21 users using SGU_whey, 22 using SGU_curd, and 1 user using the Twitter theme.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 13, 2020, 01:59:22 PM
I think you should just limp the site as is untill the new update. No reason to do double work for nothing.


We're currently discussing in PM's what we can do within our schedules.  Right now, we're contemplating just cutting over to the RC.  We may do a bit of testing to see how feasible it is.  Suffice it to say, we know that the like and ignore functionality is a pain point and we're seeing what we can do within our schedules.

Rally? Of all the forum features, is the ignore function (which I have never used, don't even know how to) a major sought-after feature?

(Not directed at you specifically, just a general reflection.)
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 13, 2020, 02:21:40 PM
Yes, yes it is.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: daniel1948 on February 13, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
I think you should just limp the site as is untill the new update. No reason to do double work for nothing. 

I agree with this 100%. The forum is doing what really matters: Allowing us to have discussions. Everything else is just niceties. It's entirely fine and functional now. I don't think that Belgarath and The Latinist should have to do additional work when the forum is just a few months from being switched over to something different that would require all that work to be re-done.

Take a break, spend time with your families, have a nap, whatever. Then when the new software is in place, spend what time you're willing and able and comfortable with to make it nice. Or leave it bare-bones because it's having a place to have discussions that really matters. Themes and ignores and likes are all secondary. They're nice to have, but secondary.

And again, many thanks for getting the forum back up and for keeping it running.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: HighPockets on February 13, 2020, 03:30:17 PM
Yes, yes it is.

If you like this forum now, learn how to put the politics sub on ignore and relish in the science, pop culture and games!

BTW, how is AQB dealing without a like button? I feel the most for her.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 13, 2020, 03:41:39 PM
Yes, yes it is.

If you like this forum now, learn how to put the politics sub on ignore and relish in the science, pop culture and games!

BTW, how is AQB dealing without a like button? I feel the most for her.

Have you put the politics sub on ignore? Is it possible to put in on ignore, as opposed to just not go into it, which is of course very possible? I do know of some people who mostly don't bother go into it.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Captain Video on February 13, 2020, 04:18:26 PM
Yes, yes it is.

If you like this forum now, learn how to put the politics sub on ignore and relish in the science, pop culture and games!

BTW, how is AQB dealing without a like button? I feel the most for her.

Have you put the politics sub on ignore? Is it possible to put in on ignore, as opposed to just not go into it, which is of course very possible? I do know of some people who mostly don't bother go into it.

lots of people put politics and other sections on ignore as well as people. If someone is not responding to all your comments they mite have you on ignore (let that develop your paranoia a bit  >:D ) you can still open them if you want but this serves as a reminder not too. You can still see their quotes which is the downfall of the system.   

I could live without it but I think the forum is a better place with it. We can certainly deal without for a few months or whatever it takes.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: werecow on February 13, 2020, 05:42:47 PM
If someone is not responding to all your comments they mite have you on ignore (let that develop your paranoia a bit  >:D )
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Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on February 13, 2020, 05:53:53 PM
If someone is not responding to all your comments they mite have you on ignore (let that develop your paranoia a bit  >:D )
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That comment was chaotic evil. I approve.  >:D
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: 2397 on February 13, 2020, 05:59:53 PM
In a way, it'd be better to think that someone who never replies has put you on ignore, instead of them  reading everything and deciding to not reply each and every time.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 13, 2020, 06:13:49 PM
Placing sub forums on ignore keeps them from showing up in one’s new and unread posts lists, which is the primary way I interact with the board. I long ago did that to the whole media subforum.  But far more important to me is the ability to ignore individual posters. Ignoring a handful of toxic personalities makes the whole forum a much more pleasant place to be.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: daniel1948 on February 13, 2020, 07:43:41 PM
I, too, mostly use the "Unread Posts" button, so I'm seldom aware of which forum a post is in. I never use the Ignore feature, but I do ignore most threads because the title just doesn't interest me. And I skip over some posters or don't bother responding to them. Others I mostly ignore but read occasionally and only respond if something really strikes me.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: arthwollipot on February 13, 2020, 09:08:11 PM
Am I the only one using the SGUwhey theme?  I don't hear anyone talk about it, but I like it as a compromise between the headache-inducing white and the eye-straining dark.

I use Whey, because it's got a fixed-width text area.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: arthwollipot on February 13, 2020, 09:13:27 PM
Placing sub forums on ignore keeps them from showing up in one’s new and unread posts lists, which is the primary way I interact with the board. I long ago did that to the whole media subforum.  But far more important to me is the ability to ignore individual posters. Ignoring a handful of toxic personalities makes the whole forum a much more pleasant place to be.

I do this extensively, though I put individual threads on ignore rather than entire subforums. I'm really seeing now how many threads I've ignored in the past!
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on February 14, 2020, 09:57:58 AM
Placing sub forums on ignore keeps them from showing up in one’s new and unread posts lists, which is the primary way I interact with the board. I long ago did that to the whole media subforum.  But far more important to me is the ability to ignore individual posters. Ignoring a handful of toxic personalities makes the whole forum a much more pleasant place to be.

I do this extensively, though I put individual threads on ignore rather than entire subforums. I'm really seeing now how many threads I've ignored in the past!

I do both. Mostly individual threads except for Media, which I've ignored entirely.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 14, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
If someone is not responding to all your comments they mite have you on ignore (let that develop your paranoia a bit  >:D )

That is not a reasonable criteria. I don't respond to most stuff that most people write.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 14, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
Placing sub forums on ignore keeps them from showing up in one’s new and unread posts lists, which is the primary way I interact with the board. I long ago did that to the whole media subforum.  But far more important to me is the ability to ignore individual posters. Ignoring a handful of toxic personalities makes the whole forum a much more pleasant place to be.

I don't interact with the forum that way. With regard to individuals, maybe I should try it. I would rather that certain behaviors were moderated and sanctioned, but since that is not happen maybe the "ignore" function is a least bad option. Though for some reason it does feel like cheating, or covering up a problem, fro my point of view at least.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 15, 2020, 06:11:51 AM
Spoiler
If someone is not responding to all your comments they mite have you on ignore (let that develop your paranoia a bit  >:D )
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That comment was chaotic evil. I approve.  >:D

The word you are looking for is troll (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Troll):

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Someone who deliberatly pisses people off online to get a reaction

In this thread, werecow and John Albert have been engaged in trollish behavior.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: werecow on February 15, 2020, 07:52:56 AM
Spoiler
If someone is not responding to all your comments they mite have you on ignore (let that develop your paranoia a bit  >:D )
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/Dma6Me5nKU0uY/giphy.gif)
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That comment was chaotic evil. I approve.  >:D

The word you are looking for is troll (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Troll):

Quote
Someone who deliberatly pisses people off online to get a reaction

In this thread, werecow and John Albert have been engaged in trollish behavior.

Uhm, wtf?

EDIT: Really trying to figure out what my "trolling" was. Do you generally find yourself pissed off by pictures of paranoid looking cats?
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 15, 2020, 08:01:19 AM
Ok, maybe I went a bit too far there.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: John Albert on February 18, 2020, 11:31:09 AM
It was a joke.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Desert Fox on March 07, 2020, 05:49:02 AM
Does anyone know when search functions are going to be back?

I was looking for the old Mueller thread to post that a judge is looking into the blacked out section and does not trust Barr.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: jt512 on March 07, 2020, 06:31:34 AM
Does anyone know when search functions are going to be back?


It never worked properly in the first place.  Use Google instead.  Include "site:sguforums.com" (no quotes) in your search.
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 07, 2020, 07:44:28 AM
Edit: Wrong thread
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Desert Fox on March 07, 2020, 08:53:56 AM
Does anyone know when search functions are going to be back?


It never worked properly in the first place.  Use Google instead.  Include "site:sguforums.com" (no quotes) in your search.

Should not work in the political forum because it is member only
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: The Latinist on March 07, 2020, 08:58:38 AM
Does anyone know when search functions are going to be back?

I was looking for the old Mueller thread to post that a judge is looking into the blacked out section and does not trust Barr.

The search function, sadly, has been broken for some time. We believe it us because of the size of our database. I attempted to upgrade our search functionality a while back with a more scalable solution used by some other large SMF forums, but I couldn’t get it working. However, we are working on upgrading the forum to a newer version of SMF that has, among other things, an improved search function. On our test forum the search functionality seems to be working perfectly.  So...hang in there!
Title: Re: Forum Crash of 2020
Post by: Desert Fox on March 07, 2020, 04:06:08 PM
Thanks, I guess I just had not used the search engine in a while