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Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Apeiron on April 05, 2008, 06:59:04 AM
Plot introduction
Tristran Thorn embarks on an adventure in the magical world of Faerie, where he must find a fallen star and bring the star to Victoria Forester in order to win her heart. The reader soon discovers that Tristran isn't the only one who is after the star though.

Wikipedia
Neil Gaiman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gaiman)
Stardust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardust_%28novel%29) (book)
Stardust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stardust_%282007_film%29) (film)
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Apeiron on April 05, 2008, 07:08:45 AM
I listened to most of this book (read by the author!) during a two day cycling trip. Sadly I finished it on the morning of the first day already. Loved the book.

It's said to be for adults, and it does contain some sex and violence. However, the story is rather simplistic and could easily be read by children if they can handle the little bit of mature content.

The audiobook also contains an interview with the author, where he tells about the history of the book and about reading it among other things. That was very interesting stuff to hear, so I heartily recommend it.

Anyone who wants some light reading, or is just looking for a short fun story, will be pleased with Stardust.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: LovableRascal on April 05, 2008, 11:33:42 AM
I'll have to look into it. I actually really liked the movie.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: KarenX on April 05, 2008, 01:28:35 PM
I liked the book a lot but it was a little sparse, with all the best detail and story development at the beginning. The ending was a little episodic. It felt like I was reading a movie, if that makes any sense, but the details of the ending tied together in a satisfying way.

I liked everyone in the book a lot and I wanted to see the movie.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Apeiron on April 05, 2008, 02:41:15 PM
I just saw about thirty seconds of the movie and turned it off. Hated it. So different from the book. I'll probably have to wait a while between reading the book and watching the movie  :P
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: LovableRascal on April 05, 2008, 07:04:20 PM
Quote from: "Apeiron"
I just saw about thirty seconds of the movie and turned it off. Hated it. So different from the book. I'll probably have to wait a while between reading the book and watching the movie  :P


It's a good movie, dude. I dont know if the tone of the book is the same, but it's pretty entertaining.  Michelle Pfeiffer is smokin' hot for a 50 year old..   :shock:
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: √ėyvind on April 06, 2008, 05:26:08 AM
I haven't read stardust yet, but I love Neil Gaiman. My favorites so far have been Neverwhere and Fragile Things.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: KarenX on April 06, 2008, 12:19:03 PM
Neverwhere was good, but I thought American Gods was excellent.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: kikyo on April 06, 2008, 01:35:09 PM
I liked Neverwhere a lot because of the setting. I watched the BBC dramatization on DVD and it was terrible, but the commentary by Gaiman was fascinating and explained a lot about why it was terrible (budget and lack of interest by BBC).

Stardust, I was actually kind of meh on. I thought it was entertaining but I felt that I was a bit too old for it. I think I would have loved it when I was younger though. And there were aspects of it that I liked. I haven't seen the movie yet -- I hear it's very good from some people and from others I hear it's very bad. One person who has told me it is good though I am inclined to trust, so I'd like to see it eventually.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Donnikko on April 06, 2008, 07:14:18 PM
I don't know if the movie is really all that worth watching.  The book itself is decent nothing super spectacular, but the movie is just to "Hollywoodified". Of course everyone's tastes are quite different so who knows.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: nerdo on April 07, 2008, 02:42:31 AM
I thought the book was good but I loved the movie, which I found odd because it is usually 95% the other way around.  You really should give the movie another try.  I thought the first fifteen minutes were kind of slow but it really picked up after that.  Watch it to see Robert DiNero dancing around if nothing else, if I had been drinking milk it would have shot out of my nose.

Stardust is the only Gaiman book that I have read besides Good Omens, which he coauthored with Terry Pratchett.  That one is quite good in my opinion.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Apeiron on April 07, 2008, 05:29:51 AM
Quote from: "nerdo"
Stardust is the only Gaiman book that I have read besides Good Omens, which he coauthored with Terry Pratchett.  That one is quite good in my opinion.


Same here. I plan on reading more books by both of them, but so far all I've read of Neil Gaiman is Stardust and Good Omens.

Good Omens is among my favourite books ever. I loved it so much!
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: nerdo on April 07, 2008, 11:24:39 AM
I've read almost all of Terry Pratchett's book.  He is one of my favorite authors by far.  I have just recently been trying out Neil Gaiman.   I picked up Anansi Boys at the used book store down the road but haven't gotten around to reading it yet ( a three year old takes up soooo much time).  Is that one any good?
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: KarenX on April 07, 2008, 12:03:49 PM
It's a sequel to American Gods but I think it's a sequel in spirit and setting rather than a direct continuation of a story from the first book. I haven't read it. I think there's one main character in common, but not the protagonist from the first.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Apeiron on April 07, 2008, 12:30:54 PM
Quote from: "KarenX"
It's a sequel to American Gods but I think it's a sequel in spirit and setting rather than a direct continuation of a story from the first book. I haven't read it. I think there's one main character in common, but not the protagonist from the first.


That's what I understood from Wiki when downloading the audiobook. Haven't gotten around to either one yet though.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: kikyo on April 07, 2008, 01:09:39 PM
Yes, that is right. I liked Anansi Boys, but have not read American Gods so cannot compare the two. I think the tone is very much influenced by the main characters, since they are based on African trickster myths.

I thought it was entertaining. There is something about Neil Gaiman that is very simplistic to me, as if he writes for junior high students on some level. It doesn't mean I don't like him--I do quite a lot. It's just something I've noticed, where when reading his work I often get the feeling I am reading a story aimed at someone younger than myself, although I don't think that's his intent most of the time.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Apeiron on April 07, 2008, 01:14:48 PM
From the limited bit of Neil Gaiman that I read (Stardust and Good Omens), I do get a similar impression.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Sabbie on April 07, 2008, 02:13:36 PM
This is going to be the first fiction-book I'll read after I finish The Shadow Rising (part 4 of the WoT series) by Robert Jordan.

Ape and I watched about 3 minutes of the film and were both immediately thinking the same: "this looks like it's going to be a bad movie". So we turned it off and watched the Atonement instead (pretty good by the way) :P

From what I heard about the books though they sound like something I might like, so I am really looking forward to reading it ^^
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: KarenX on April 07, 2008, 02:17:30 PM
American Gods is not a children's book, or simple, or fairy tale-esque. It has some very interesting themes. It was the first one of his that I read, and it led me to Coraline, which was only ever supposed to be a chidren's book (and it's creepy), Neverwhere, which was an adventure tale, and Stardust, which was, well, a movie pitch. I had heard that Anasi's Boys just wasn't very good. Even the summary didn't call to me; I don't think I'll read it.

Good Omens is funny and silly and comical, but it's not particularly complex. I liked it a lot but it's a puff piece. Nothing wrong with a puff piece but there's not a lot to say about it. It makes obvious points in delightful ways.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Nomen Nescio on April 07, 2008, 04:40:30 PM
Quote from: "KarenX"
Good Omens is funny and silly and comical, but it's not particularly complex. I liked it a lot but it's a puff piece. Nothing wrong with a puff piece but there's not a lot to say about it. It makes obvious points in delightful ways.

Anansi Boys is the same way. It's simple, comical and enjoyable to that extent but what Gaiman has to say about family dynamics therein is nothing anyone hasn't heard a hundred times before.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Grimner on April 11, 2008, 02:25:19 PM
Star Dust is a long fairy-tale. Disappointing to me, since I read it after American Gods and Coraline which got me started on Gaiman the writer. I kept waiting for heavy weirdness, but it didn't happen.
 Much more of a children's book than Coraline which reads like a nightmare.
 Wolves in the Walls is far more children friendly - but perhaps a bit to tame.

American Gods - well, if you have your mythology (especially Norse) online, it is a good ride. Good, old Wednesday stranded in America with no ale and no blonds :)
Better than Anasai Boys imho which got a little tedious with the family issues.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: KarenX on April 11, 2008, 03:07:26 PM
When they offer to take Coraline's eyes and sew buttons on her face... I was listening to the book on audio and I shut the radio off for a minute.
Title: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: The Skeptic's Apprentice on April 24, 2008, 12:56:04 PM
Stardust: Loved the book but didn't think much of the film.
Neverwhere: Like reading a really crappy B-movie. That was a first for me.
American Gods: It had some really good moments, like the old man who lived by the frozen lake. Like a cruel greek tragedy at it's best.
Sandman: Great stuff!
Good Omens: Sure, it might be a simple piece, but so was the Hitchhikers Guide, and they both made me laugh my ass off!
Title: Re: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Sabbie on April 25, 2008, 08:22:22 AM
I am starting this book in about 10 minutes. It'd better be good guys ;)
Title: Re: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Apeiron on April 25, 2008, 10:42:20 AM
American Gods is so much better than Stardust :P
Title: Re: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Sabbie on April 27, 2008, 04:58:15 AM
American Gods is so much better than Stardust :P

Well, I don't have that one on my iPod yet, so I haardly had any choice :P
Title: Re: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Apeiron on May 03, 2008, 07:50:16 AM
The movie is not as bad everywhere as in the first five minutes, there's some very good moments in fact, but there's also a lot of fail and bad acting.
Title: Re: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Sabbie on May 07, 2008, 06:26:40 AM
After I finished the book I still watched the movie and I actually think one part is better in the movie than in the book :P I had not expected that. I am talking about the ship-part, with the captain and stuff. That was brilliant xD
Title: Re: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: Zookster on May 07, 2008, 07:12:56 AM
The movie is not as bad everywhere as in the first five minutes, there's some very good moments in fact, but there's also a lot of fail and bad acting.

I liked it a lot.  So thhpptt to you all. 

Haven't read the book, but have read Anansi Boys, American Gods and Good Omens....all really good.
Title: Re: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: door on May 07, 2008, 08:08:25 AM
Anansi Boys, Good Omens, Neverwhere & American Gods. I greatly enjoyed them all.
Title: Re: Neil Gaiman - Stardust (1999)
Post by: zandolit on May 15, 2008, 10:44:25 AM
The first few minutes of the film aren't all that great, but there are some good parts to it.  It's not all bad!  I happen to work in Ipswich and people I know who saw the movie in town said that the crowd cheered outrageously loudly at every mention of Ipswich.