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Podcast Episodes / Re: Episode #624
« Last post by Crash on Today at 09:39:45 PM »
Ugh, always cringeworthy when Steven gives exercise tips. Just completely dismissing fasting because it "doesn't make any sense" <-- literally his words. Has he looked at any of the new research coming out lately, specifically from Dr. Walter Longo?

He hasn't looked at such literature, obviously.  The rogues seem to know very little about exercise and diet.  Cringeworthy is a good description of their take.

  Gee,   Dr Valter Longo who you meant (Not Walter)also sells a special diet with kale chips for $300 a month.  Sure sign of a quack is a website selling shit that fixes the problem he invented.  He was endorsed by Dr Andrew Weil too. Looking Longo up took me down a path of steaming piles of stupid.   No thanks. 
  I have to agree with Steve again.  Why even fast and exercise at the same time?  Steve is right that building strength requires you to have a full liver and enough sugar to keep you firing when your liver glycogen starts fading. That is the proper way to train your body to go hard and fast.  Traing while depleted doesn't make any sense.  Get over it.   Just because someone runs a marathon does not make them an expert on nutrition yet there are thousands of gurus out there who think that is enough to give bad advice about nutrition.  What is so great about fasting anyway.  Just because Jesus did it does not make it a valid method for anything other than to impress your followers.  Longest fast?  You must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit. 
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Podcast Episodes / Re: Episode #624
« Last post by estockly on Today at 09:35:51 PM »
Episode #623


What’s the Word: Nominal; News Items: Relational Reasoning in Computers, Big Bang Problems, Breatharians, Biodynamic Farming, Coconut Snakeoil; Questions and E-mails: Metabolism Follow Up; Science or Fiction

That's exactly the response they should have given. The information was incorrect, and they corrected it.

Well done, rogues.

Enjoyed that episode. I don't usually listen on the day they're released, but I was curious if there would be a correction.

Now, about that coconut oil...

I have been consuming large amounts of coconut oil and other saturated fats for about six years now. At the same time I've removed a lot of the unsaturated fats from my diet.

I also removed all but trace amounts of sucrose; HFCS; flours; grains and other fast carbs; starchy foods. For the most part I eat when I'm hungry, keep eating until I'm full, and went from obese to a normal weight and improved all of my risk factors for CVD, including LDL (down a bit); HDL (up a lot); TGs (way down); BP (down a bit, but it was good to start).

So either I'm wrong, or the AHA is wrong and the study they're promoting that Cara referenced is bogus.

For me, the bigger issue is not if the AHA is suffering from blinding biases, it's that the skeptical community, starting with the rogues, is blind to a fundamental failure of medical science.

If the standards for evidence and proof for the mainstream positions and policy in diet and nutrition were as high as the standards for neuroscience or cancer science or other medical sciences, then we never would have embarked on the population wide intervention that was the Dietary Guidelines.

The AHA guidelines were drafted at the same time and from the same data.

That data was flawed then, it's never been verified in clinical trials, and we have spent billions of dollars trying to prove that fat and saturated fat is linked to CVD, and the link isn't there.

All we have to go on is poorly controlled epidemiological evidence, that even then is not that clear, and not that strong. Stronger evidence (both epidemiological and through clinical studies) supports sugar as the culprit.

Cara made claims that the AHA paper was based on the best and most recent science, but it wasn't do the homework. Follow their citations.

The AHA is wrong. They don't know they're wrong, but their bias is based on false assumptions that have been driving the nutrition policies of the this country since the mid-70s (which is pretty much when the obesity epidemic began).

Here's a link  to an article by Gary Taubes on the topic, but don't take his word for it. Do some research.
http://www.cardiobrief.org/2017/06/16/guest-post-vegetable-oils-francis-bacon-bing-crosby-and-the-american-heart-association/

Skepticism should be more than parroting authorities in science.





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"Their ancestry was remarkably stable over that period, suggesting little intermarriage."

Sounds like a cult. Or a specialist group of some kind. Isolated community at least. Could have been a religious enclave worshipping in a manner that wasn't prohibited but was unpopular outside the group. All sorts of weirdness could have that result.

Waiting more data.

And the Omnimax movie "Mummies" might be worth your while.

I don't think so.  Their estimates based on MtDNA diversity are that these were memebers of a regional population that averaged 48-310k.  There is evidence for foreign influence in the region, but it seems not to have involved much intermarriage. See the following from the passage:

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Population size estimation using BEAST
The finding of a continuous population through time allowed us to estimate the effective population size (Ne) from directly radiocarbon-dated mitochondrial genomes using BEAST32. Our results show similar values of effective population size in the different ancient time periods with an average value of between ca. 48,000 and 310,000 (average 95% CI) inhabitants in the region and period under investigation (Fig. 3d, Supplementary Fig. 2, Supplementary Table 4). This is important as it is the first time that such estimates can be contrasted with reported historic Egyptian census numbers from the neighbouring Fayum in the early Ptolemaic Period, which had a reported total population size of 85,000–95,000 inhabitants33.
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Podcast Episodes / Re: Episode #623
« Last post by estockly on Today at 09:08:12 PM »
Episode #623


What’s the Word: Nominal; News Items: Relational Reasoning in Computers, Big Bang Problems, Breatharians, Biodynamic Farming, Coconut Snakeoil; Questions and E-mails: Metabolism Follow Up; Science or Fiction

That's exactly the response they should have given. The information was incorrect, and they corrected it.

Well done, rogues.
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"Their ancestry was remarkably stable over that period, suggesting little intermarriage."

Sounds like a cult. Or a specialist group of some kind. Isolated community at least. Could have been a religious enclave worshipping in a manner that wasn't prohibited but was unpopular outside the group. All sorts of weirdness could have that result.

Waiting more data.

And the Omnimax movie "Mummies" might be worth your while.
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General Discussion / Re: The Coffee Thread
« Last post by arthwollipot on Today at 08:14:22 PM »
I often reminisce about the 'doppio con latte' that was served by a woman somewhat older than me.  Those coffees were delights and a wonderful prelude to the very high fat, delicious breakfasts served in every little hotel we stayed at in Umbria/Toscana whist cycling.  Italy knows coffee.
Where did you think Australia got it from?

Kiwis...

Like Russell Crowe, Phar Lap and Crowded House...
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General Discussion / Re: The Coffee Thread
« Last post by lonely moa on Today at 08:09:37 PM »
I often reminisce about the 'doppio con latte' that was served by a woman somewhat older than me.  Those coffees were delights and a wonderful prelude to the very high fat, delicious breakfasts served in every little hotel we stayed at in Umbria/Toscana whist cycling.  Italy knows coffee.
Where did you think Australia got it from?

Kiwis...
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Podcast Episodes / Re: Episode #624
« Last post by lonely moa on Today at 08:08:59 PM »
Ugh, always cringeworthy when Steven gives exercise tips. Just completely dismissing fasting because it "doesn't make any sense" <-- literally his words. Has he looked at any of the new research coming out lately, specifically from Dr. Walter Longo?

He hasn't looked at such literature, obviously.  The rogues seem to know very little about exercise and diet.  Cringeworthy is a good description of their take.
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Podcast Episodes / Re: Episode #624
« Last post by lonely moa on Today at 08:04:41 PM »
...and, what fraction of LDL are we talking about here?  Consumption of saturated fat has not been shown to increase pattern B LDL (the "bad" one).

I suppose neurologists don't have a better grasp of nutrition and heart disease than the well read lay person. Listen to and read from Ron Krauss, the guy who sorted out the idea that cholesterol comes in many fractions.  One certainly gets a more nuanced argument from the researcher who knows about this.

This study shows that both all cause and cardiovascular mortality decreases in both sexes as cholesterol number increases; for women, the higher the number, the lower the mortality rate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3303886/
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Podcast Episodes / Re: Episode #624
« Last post by lonely moa on Today at 07:52:22 PM »
More than 60% of the world is fed by their neighbours from small farms, btw.

My biodynamic neighbours have been producing wheat, barley, buckwheat,livestock etc on a full sized (150ha+) for the last three decades on a scale that is basically the same as their conventional neighbours.  Their wheat is in huge demand by bakeries and restaurants... it is so tasty.  No off farm inputs of nitrogen; livestock and legumes like clover and lucerne provide all the nitrogen.

I think that being biodynamic focuses their efforts.  The also have holidays in Europe.
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