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Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Last post by SnarlPatrick on Today at 05:47:16 AM »
Very pro-Brexit, but not familiar with Darren Grimes in particular. Why do you ask?

Nor do I title these videos. They're titled for clicks, as are videos from most outlets, mainstream ones included.

Gonna answer my question on Extinction Rebellion?
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Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Last post by Rai on Today at 05:16:56 AM »
Loling at this interview. None of you are in support of Extinction Rebellion are you?



You are not in support of the brexiteer scumbag Darren Grimes, are you?

And what's up with youse nazis preoccupation with "destroying" people? Oh wait, the answer is already in the question.   :D
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Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Climate Change Catchment Thread
« Last post by SnarlPatrick on Today at 04:23:47 AM »
Loling at this interview. None of you are in support of Extinction Rebellion are you?

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Music / Re: What are you listening to?
« Last post by SnarlPatrick on Today at 03:57:32 AM »
Got into this song because of the dancers.

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... it’s a myth that breakfast is the most important meal of the day.


Totally.  It might be the most important to miss.
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Health, Fitness, Nutrition, and Medicine / Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Last post by bachfiend on Today at 02:11:51 AM »
Fine just start a thread and discuss it to your hearts content


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Can’t you read?  I stated that I’m never going to start a thread on intermittent fasting or dropping breakfast permanently.  I don’t proselytise for either, unlike you for your diet.

But I think you should either always have breakfast, or never have breakfast.  It’s a matter of personal choice.  Skipping breakfast several days a week is likely to leave the person hungry on those days, and more likely to eat junk food later in the day (not that the heavily marketed and advertised breakfast foods are particularly good). 

My only recommendations are to eat food (not heavily processed products high in fats, sugars and salt), not too much, mainly plant-based, and to prepare and consume most of your meals in your home from single basic ingredients (which excludes meat substitutes such as Beyond Burger, because they’re heavily processed).  Or even your beef.

The fact remains.  If you eat more calories than you expend, you’re going to gain weight regardless.
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Health, Fitness, Nutrition, and Medicine / Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Last post by CarbShark on Today at 01:46:21 AM »
Fine just start a thread and discuss it to your hearts content


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Health, Fitness, Nutrition, and Medicine / Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Last post by bachfiend on Today at 01:40:08 AM »
Nothing to do with low carb. Maybe start a new thread for proselytizing IF and skipping breakfast?


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I don’t proselytise for intermittent fasting.  I have never recommended that other people adopt it.  I have repeatedly stated that it’s not for everyone.

But I have also stated that it’s a myth that breakfast is the most important meal of the day.  And it’s something that many people agree with, including health professionals.

I will never start a thread claiming health benefits from intermittent fasting or permanently dropping breakfast, unlike you with your continual proselytising for your low carbohydrate/high fat ketogenic diet.
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Health, Fitness, Nutrition, and Medicine / Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Last post by jt512 on Today at 01:11:36 AM »
I’ve recently been looking at the Sisters Study regarding a paper claiming that hair dyes increase the incidence of breast cancer in Afro-American women with a family history of breast cancer in a sister (which I think is shameless data mining, looking for chance statistically significant p-values in a large data set), but the investigators also published:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30926951/

which noted that the risk of obesity is less if the women either ate breakfast everyday or never.  Eating breakfast irregularly (3-4 times a week) is associated with a higher incidence of obesity.  Breakfast isn’t ‘the most important meal of the day,’ and can be dropped, as part of intermittent fasting.

Awful lot of researcher degrees of freedom that could have been used to come up with that one statistically significant finding.


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What exactly are the ‘awful lot of researcher degrees of freedom’ involved (besides the shameless data mining of the Sisters Study)?

Think of all the ways that breakfast eating and body weight could be compared. They could have looked at obesity vs other, overweight or obese vs other, or looked for a trend with body weight. And they could have chosen numerous frequency cut points. The chance that among all such comparisons one might be statistically significant by chance is quite high.

If the specific comparison they used was preplanned, I‘ll eat a big.

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I just found it interesting.  It would be a useful article to cite to people who insist that not eating breakfast causes obesity.

I would consider it too unreliable.


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Here’s the full paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6766424/

Point out the researchers’ degrees of freedom making the results ‘too unreliable.’ 

I already did. It’s the number of ways that comparisons could have been made that makes the finding questionable.

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I don’t find the results particularly surprising.  It’s best to either have breakfast everyday, or not at all.


Says who besides you and those data miners?



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Well, the authors reported that having breakfast irregularly 3 to 4 times a week is associated with a higher incidence of obesity (BMI > 30 kg/m2.  Is there any data indicating that it’s associated with a lower incidence of being overweight (BMI between 25 and 30)?

It’s not just I who states that it’s important to have regular habits regarding diet, including either always having breakfast or never having breakfast.  Many nutritionists and psychologists say the same thing.  People become overweight or obese because of bad habits.


Hmm, "overweight or obese."  It seems strange that eating meals precisely 3 to 5 days a week is associated with obesity, but not non-obese overweight.  And speaking of bad habits, people become overweight or obese exactly for the bad habit of consuming more energy that they expend.  The bad(?) habit of not being in the habit of eating breakfast more than 5 days per week but less than 3 is news to me.


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Do you think it’s a good idea to have irregular meals during the day, eating food anywhere anywhen?


I don't think it makes much difference as long as you don't in the long run eat more than you burn.


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If you have breakfast most days, but skip it several days a week, you’re likely to replace it with junk food later on.


And the junk food you eat before lunch would have more calories than the breakfast you skip?  You're just speculating.

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I don’t find the study’s findings to be surprising enough to reject them immediately as you do.


I'm not rejecting them.  I'm just not convinced by them, given the large number of equally reasonable (if not more reasonable) alternative analyses that could have been performed and the improbability that the one they published was precisely the one they intended to investigate.

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Health, Fitness, Nutrition, and Medicine / Re: LCHF and healthy eating
« Last post by CarbShark on Today at 01:09:13 AM »
Nothing to do with low carb. Maybe start a new thread for proselytizing IF and skipping breakfast?


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