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I think I've heard Steve refer to Hickam's dictum: "Patients can have as many diseases as they damn well please". This is a good reminder that not all symptoms stem from a single, unifying cause. Obviously applies to other areas besides medicine.
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Forum Games / Re: Visual Counting
« Last post by Morvis13 on July 24, 2017, 08:06:06 PM »
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Forum Games / Re: The question game?
« Last post by Morvis13 on July 24, 2017, 08:03:51 PM »
was it really that bad?
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Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Choices in organic farming
« Last post by lonely moa on July 24, 2017, 06:46:30 PM »
But is that true across the planet?  Is shipping tomatoes from NZ to the UK more carbon efficient than shipping them from Spain, which is much closer and quite hot?

We are shipping beef and lamb around the world.  NZ is not a tomato paradise... except in our double skinned greenhouse in summer.
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General Discussion / Re: Sexism & Mechanics
« Last post by Desert Fox on July 24, 2017, 06:45:23 PM »
Data would be useful, although, I'd bet money an uninformed women is more likely to get ripped of than an uninformed man. 

I saw an investigative news show on this once - they went to an honest mechanic and asked him how people get ripped off by dishonest mechanics and he showed them 5 or 6 scams and then they went out and recorded other mechanics doing the scams.

But the interesting thing was that women would generally admit that they didn't know what they didn't know and just ask the mechanic to fix it, and the mechanics would minimize the unnecessary work.  But men would pretend they knew what they didn't know and nod in agreement as the mechanics found more and more necessary repair work... so they got ripped off more than the women.

That is something to think about at least
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It's the classic error of conflating "is" and "ought."

I'm not sure about that. On their forum, when Sam Harris' moral philosophy was in the air, most forum members rejected his idea.
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Podcasts / Re: Skeptoid
« Last post by arthwollipot on July 24, 2017, 06:17:11 PM »
Yeah it had never even occurred to me that Dunning is a libertarian until I heard about it in this thread. And now that it's been mentioned, it makes perfect sense in light of his legal troubles and some of the things he's said in the podcast.
And yet he accepted the rule of law, and did his time as required by the court. So maybe small-l libertarian. Or maybe his political beliefs are just a little more complicated than that...
Really? Thats the best you got as a defense? Sad.

The best? No. But all I'll bother with? Sure.
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Forum Games / Re: The question game?
« Last post by arthwollipot on July 24, 2017, 06:09:16 PM »
You mean except for the part where I screwed up and possibly lost the game for Town?
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General Discussion / Re: Sexism & Mechanics
« Last post by Ah.hell on July 24, 2017, 06:03:58 PM »
I believe that most mechanics would assume a women knows nothing about cars and thus be more willing to recommend unnecessary work. 

On the other, friendly angel's suggestion that men being unwilling to admit ignorance(especially because its the masculine world of cars) may leave them more open to being ripped off suckered is not a crazy notion.

@2397, I think Ripped off has more of a connotation of being over charged rather than lied to about the product. 
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General Discussion / Re: Sexism & Mechanics
« Last post by SnarlPatrick on July 24, 2017, 05:15:49 PM »
Men... those of you who don't known much about cars or taken the time to find somebody honest through word of mouth... are you under the impression you are being spared being ripped off by mechanics on account of your gender? What an odd thing to believe. The factor in being able to rip people off is not knowing how the machine works, and knowing what things SHOULD cost and what things are ripoffs to begin with.

Ignorance of cars may be more common among women than men, by I'm bucking he stereotype  as living proof that they will equal opportunity fuck you given the chance and you not knowing your muffler from your carburator.
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