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Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Choices in organic farming
« Last post by Ah.hell on July 24, 2017, 05:06:12 PM »
But is that true across the planet?  Is shipping tomatoes from NZ to the UK more carbon efficient than shipping them from Spain, which is much closer and quite hot?
The analysis I've seen was specifically Spain to UK vs within the UK. 
General Discussion / Re: Sexism & Mechanics
« Last post by 2397 on July 24, 2017, 04:45:11 PM »
What's the difference between being ripped off and fraud?
Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Choices in organic farming
« Last post by Physicity on July 24, 2017, 04:44:26 PM »
But is that true across the planet?  Is shipping tomatoes from NZ to the UK more carbon efficient than shipping them from Spain, which is much closer and quite hot?
General Discussion / Re: Sexism & Mechanics
« Last post by SQ the ΣΛ/IGMд on July 24, 2017, 04:16:59 PM »
I wish i knew more personally.  I have a basic understanding of how a car works but am forced to trust my mechanic a lot. 
The only thing that really keeps me from being super suspicious is that there are an insane number of mechanics in my town  (there's seriously like 1 for 1000 people)  and I figure that there's enough competition to keep people honest.

I also wish I knew more. I have an advantage in that I work with several very good mechanics. If I have a vehicle problem, one of them will fix it for me very very reasonably. One in particular won't charge me any labor at all. He charges for the parts. When I insist on paying him he says he enjoys working on engines and refuses any offers. I'm very lucky in that regard.
Are you really really good looking?

Yes I am. *
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Podcast Episodes / Re: Episode #628
« Last post by DamoET on July 24, 2017, 04:01:50 PM »
I am so sorry to hear about your loss. Please know that your legions of fans are thinking of you during this painful time. Your father must have been extremely proud of all of you, your extraordinary accomplishments, and your contributions to the world.

Very nice words fuzzy, they echo how I feel.

To all the Novella's and friends, sorry for your loss.

Forum Games / Re: Visual Counting
« Last post by ella on July 24, 2017, 03:56:17 PM »
General Discussion / Re: Navy News items
« Last post by HighPockets on July 24, 2017, 03:24:37 PM »
The only trouble is that you have been limited to the gun deck on the tours I have been one and I wish the tour included some of the lower decks as well. I have found that tours in general are alright for the tourist bit if you are even an amateur historian, you are left feeling unsatisfied.
That would be disappointing.

I'm not sure that that is true any more. I agree that when I went we only got down to the gun deck ( and I don't actually remember there being cannons. but now Google at least can let you tour two more decks below, crew quarters and the like.,-71.056685,3a,75y,294.64h,75.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLLi5VqMIlAUAAAQZN_whOQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
I wouldn't give Christianity credit. Christianity (what's left of it anyways) has adapted to our society, not the other way around, which these days is mostly to provide ceremonies, though even that is decreasing.

Sweden and Norway used to be pretty shitty countries, and during this time they were much more Christian than today. During the 19th century, and early 20th century, a third of the Swedish population emigrated, few returned (something similar is true for Norway).

This is a serious debate here in Norway at times. To what degree are we a Christian nation or culture. While we no longer have a state church (got rid of that just 3 or 5 years ago) our constitution still requires the king to be a Christian. The far right seems to be the most eager to emphasis our Christian history, usually too justify positions hostile towards immigrant groups, gays and lesbians.

Isn't Norway more religious than Sweden though? Christianity is given a central place in religious education, confirmation is very common, while in Sweden confirmation has declined dramatically during the last decad or so.

And the Norwegian Humanist Association is massive in size (close to 90 000 members), whereas the Swedish Humanist Association is much smaller (about 5 500 members), and our population is almost twice yours. That the NHA is so big compared to the SHA, I have seen attributed to that Norway is more religious and many people feel the need to make a stand against it.

The Swedish king must also by law be a Protestant Christian, btw.

And yeah. Norway was a shitty place, at least until we got out from under Swedish rule in 1905. From then things went better. Finding oil in the 70s really helped to.

I doubt that Swedish rule had much of an effect either way. Norway still had autonomy.

And Swedish rule isn't so bad. Ask the Estonians. ;)

Quote from: Wikipedia
Estonia under Swedish rule

The time of Swedish rule is sometimes colloquially referred to as the "good old Swedish times" (Estonian: vana hea Rootsi aeg). However, it remains unclear whether the contemporaneous Estonian-speaking population generally used this expression or whether they considered the time of Swedish rule significantly better than that of earlier foreign rulers. Especially during the later part of the Swedish rule of Estonia, Swedish authorities did however enact a number of reforms which were aimed at lessening the influence of the local German-speaking aristocracy, to the benefit of the local Estonian-speaking peasantry. In the light of this, there is some evidence to suggest that the Estonian-speaking population considered Swedish rule as characterised by the rule of law, and it has been recorded that in later, harsh times the lower classes have expressed a wish for a return to Swedish rule.

Swedish reforms, some of lasting influence, also included the establishment of the University of Tartu (as well as other educational institutions, e.g. the Gustav Adolf Grammar School); staunchly promoting Lutheranism and providing translations of the Bible into Estonian; and creating a court of appeal in Tartu.

I would, however, claim that our equality, livingstandards and all the good things we get from our social democracy has just as much to do with the labour movement and their political counterpart in the labour party. God or Jesus or whatever did not give us our humane prison system, universal health care, low violence, low crime, or high living standards. People fought for it and people worked for it.

I agree. I know less about Norway than Sweden, but I think most parties in Sweden during the 20th century influenced our society for the better.

Though I will add that one good thing that I think at least partially can be credited to Lutheranism is high literacy rates. Because if the common people should read the Bible, they must know how to read. This msut have aided in spreading literacy in the previous centuries.
Religion / Philosophy Talk / Re: "Sweden 'least religious' nation in Western world"
« Last post by 2397 on July 24, 2017, 03:15:01 PM »
While we no longer have a state church (got rid of that just 3 or 5 years ago) our constitution still requires the king to be a Christian.

Because the king wanted it so. Which to me makes it more an issue of the king having too much of a say (>0) in what the laws should be.

The current biggest issue with religion in Norway is that the Norwegian church is still is funded specifically, rather than as a generic religion. They become the guideline for how much funding others should receive, based on their membership numbers vs. that of others. Since their funding is (theoretically) granted independently of membership numbers, this means that the more people who leave the church, the higher the per member funding becomes for other religious organizations. And the more money total has to be spent on religion.

Which some people use as an argument against leaving the church. So combined with the Norwegian church being the only organization that has been allowed to recruit members without consent, that makes their membership numbers quite iffy. Only an estimated 553 283 people go to church on julaften/Christmas Eve (the by far most active day of the year), compared to the 3 758 070 members (as of 2016).

I can't find the equivalent number for Easter, but for 2015 it was 199 000.
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