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General Discussion / Re: Things I (or you) don't get
« Last post by Tassie Dave on January 22, 2020, 04:03:45 PM »
My dad tells the story of when he was in the army, one of his mates took a side in a match, so he had to take the opposing side - St Kilda. And he's been a supporter ever since. That seems... arbitrary.

That's how it goes, though.  My dad was a Yankees fan because his brother was a Red Sox fan and he had to be contrarian. I'm a Yankees fan because my father was.  Well, I'm not a fan, exactly; but I follow the standings and I'll root for them if they make the playoffs.  I'll even tune in if they're in the Series.  All for pretty much arbitrary reasons.

Pliny talks about the arbitrariness in IX.6:

"I am the more astonished that so many thousands of grown men should be possessed again and again with a childish passion to look at galloping horses, and men standing upright in their chariots. If, indeed, they were attracted by the swiftness of the horses or the skill of the men, one could account for this enthusiasm. But in fact it is a bit of cloth they favour, a bit of cloth that captivates them. And if during the running the racers were to exchange colours, their partisans would change sides, and instantly forsake the very drivers and horses whom they were just before recognizing from afar, and clamorously saluting by name."

That's one thing I hate about AFL. The fans who boo and yell abuse at players who transfer.  >:( It doesn't happen for every player, but it does happen a lot.
I never begrudge a player from my team looking to better them self at another club. It works both ways. Richmond has 2 Premierships in the last 3 years thanks largely to transferred players.

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General Discussion / Re: Notable passings and other milestones
« Last post by Tassie Dave on January 22, 2020, 03:51:31 PM »
Terry Jones dies at 77

 :(

He's not the Messiah, But he was a very naughty boy and funny as well.

I loved him in Python obviously, but he also had become a great TV documentary presenter. Much like Michael Palin.

His series on the first ever road map of Britain (Great Map Mystery) was great and also Medieval Lives.
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General Discussion / Re: Thousand-dollar dog
« Last post by seamas on January 22, 2020, 03:45:20 PM »
I'm not against breeding across the board. It can (and has) been done effectively and responsibly. I do have problems with certain breeds and practices.

The problem is that there are a LOT of breeders who think the job boils down to "let some dogs fuck" and then go to the internet to make a fortune.

I agree. I think some manner or regulation would be a good idea.
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Beside that, it is perplexing to me that we have actually discussed if the Spanish were more technologically advanced than the Aztecs.
We're more discussing the degree, extent, and impact of the level of Spanish technological superiority, as well as whether it even makes sense to treat "advancement" as though it's a linear scale on which all societies can be assigned a specific point.
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I don't know if a serf is that far removed from a slave.
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As it happens, medieval Europe didn't have much slavery. It wasn't extinct, but it was way less common than during Antiquity. In the first century BCE, 30-40% of the population of Italia were slaves.

Beside that, it is perplexing to me that we have actually discussed if the Spanish were more technologically advanced than the Aztecs.
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General Discussion / Re: Thousand-dollar dog
« Last post by amysrevenge on January 22, 2020, 02:10:25 PM »
I'm not against breeding across the board. It can (and has) been done effectively and responsibly. I do have problems with certain breeds and practices.

The problem is that there are a LOT of breeders who think the job boils down to "let some dogs fuck" and then go to the internet to make a fortune.
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General Discussion / Re: Thousand-dollar dog
« Last post by Jeremy's Sea on January 22, 2020, 02:02:47 PM »
I have a pretty hard line on animal adoption from my personal experiences. I understand that some people treat their animals and breeding like a hobby, and even more people treat their animals like a thing rather than a complex companion, but we have a surplus of dogs and cats and buying from a breeder is, generally speaking, irresponsible. I get that some people have special needs for animals, and I'm more lenient on that. You can't just pluck a random pit-mix from the shelter and put it in an apartment for 10 hours a day alone, but that situation goes to peoples' mentality and lack of education on animal companionship. As long as they are just "things" then disposing of the surplus via euthanization is the only viable option, but adoption and responsible ownership could accomplish the same goal. I do feel the breeder situation has gotten better in areas that ban mall pet store selling of dogs and cats, but if anyone wants a family companion I encourage you to locate a rescue and explain your family/living situation to them and let them locate a well trained, suitable animal. Until more people do that, I'll keep taking the hard-luck cases that I have to alter my life around.  :laugh:

Anyway, I concur that if these poodles aren't located fairly quickly they've probably been stolen or rehomed. Expensive breeds usually lead to kidnappings as well.
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General Discussion / Re: Things I (or you) don't get
« Last post by seamas on January 22, 2020, 01:32:53 PM »

That's how it goes, though.  My dad was a Yankees fan because his brother was a Red Sox fan and he had to be contrarian. I'm a Yankees fan because my father was.

I'm from a mixed marriage.
Dad was a Mets fan and Yankee hater (originally a NY Giants fan, as was all of his family--even the Brooklyn side), mother was a Yankee fan (as was her family)

I remember an exhibition game (this was in the 70s before interleague) played at Shea between the two teams (at the time both teams played there because Yankee stadium was being rennovated).

My brother chose the Mets, I  sided with mom.

Part of my decision was because at the time I hated the Blue and orange color combination of the Mets.
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General Discussion / Re: Thousand-dollar dog
« Last post by seamas on January 22, 2020, 01:25:13 PM »

Lots of pitbulls to choose from  >:D  Its rare to find poodles let alone toys and other small puppies in the shelters around here.

I spent a bit of time looking at dogs at area shelters and it was difficult to fine any that weren't pitbulls, or pittbull mixes.

I wasn't looking for a toy or anything, I am fine with a mutt, but I don't want anything with pittbull or rottweiler in the mix.


We adopted our from a shelter, but the fee was close to $200. That was for a three-and-a-half year old mutt. It would have been another $100 had he been under 1 year old.

I wonder if that fee even covers the animals' vet bills.

I typed "fee" but I think the more apt term is "donation". This particular SPCA is a non profit no-kill shelter not affiliated with the ASPCA.

In addition to the spaying / neutering and other vet treatment, they bring dogs up from high kill shelters down south.
I think they get a good amount of cash donations as well as volunteer service from veterinarians.

I'm not against breeding across the board. It can (and has) been done effectively and responsibly. I do have problems with certain breeds and practices.
 I also think if you aren't breeding your dog or cat you should be paying a hefty fine if the dog/cat isn't spayed/neutered.
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