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General Discussion / Re: Thousand-dollar dog
« Last post by daniel1948 on January 25, 2020, 09:42:45 AM »
If you've got $2,300 to spend on a meal, and you like that kind of stuff, I get it. I'm offended by it, but I understand it. But eating gold is just plain stupid, irresponsible waste. It certainly has no flavor (I've never tried it) so it's basically the same as lighting your cigar with $100 bills.
Price Range of Fugu
An individual can expect to pay anywhere from 3000 yen to several thousands of yen for fugu sashimi, depending on market value. However, there are also many specialty restaurants that offer fugu-centered course meals.Dec 31, 2016
Cuisine: Japanese cuisine

https://matcha-jp.com/en/3398

3,000 yen is only US$27. But at least eating an exotic hot dog with gold leaf is unlikely to kill you.
Typical gaijin typo. The meal would cost you $27,000 US$.

The Latinist beat me to it, but...

The article you cite says a full meal would cost up to 30,000 yen, but that fugu sashimi can be had for as little as 3,000 yen. That's US$27 for sashimi or US$275 for a full meal. But the article also praises the flavor, which contradicts what I've read elsewhere, that it's tough and the flavor is not great, but you get the thrill of eating something that might kill you, as even prepared by a licensed chef, once in a while someone dies from eating it. And much more often when people prepare it at home.

Are you saying that the prices cited in the article are typos? Or that Google is doing the currency conversion wrong? (Several other sites give the same rate within a few pennies.)
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Podcasts / Re: Opening Arguments #TTTBE
« Last post by xenu on January 25, 2020, 09:24:53 AM »
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Edited it to fix my typing
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There are basically two general reasons to ask for evidence of a claim:
1) You believe the claim to be false and need to be convinced.
2) It's just good skeptical practice to ask for evidence in a discussion.

Because apparently (1) is a strawman of John's beliefs I guess he's just doing due diligence. In which case I'm going to follow his lead and stop being so credulous about claims about Europe.

So please provide evidence for the existence and extent of:
- European use of fertilizer
- European dog breeding
- European geological siphons and aqueducts 
- European sericulture
- European forestry
(Evidence of these things in pre-Columbian Europe, obviously. The thousands of tons of guano imported from the Americas don't count as evidence for pre-contact European fertilizer use, for example.)

And, as always, I'd welcome evidence that the consensus among modern historians is that technological superiority was the deciding factor in the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs.
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Music / Re: What are you listening to?
« Last post by Quetzalcoatl on January 25, 2020, 08:20:08 AM »


I like this song despite not speaking German (that might surprise you, as Swedish and German are close linguistically, though not quite mutually intelligible). I guess the title means "Here come the sun", or something like that.
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(But before Shibboleth, John Albert. Maybe you know him?)

It was in their social protocols. In that aspect their society was far more advanced than the Europeans'.
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Do you care to address the existence of all the other specific dog breeds I listed

No, that's fine. How many breeds is that in total? Spread across hundreds of discrete cultures spanning two enormous continents?

Compared to how many specialized working breeds the Europeans had at that same point in time?

How many breeds was that in 1520?

Please show evidence.

Then while you're at it show evidence that there were no more American breeds than Rai had already taken the time to list out for you. Because if we're going by the standard of how many things have been listed in the thread, we can conclude that Europeans actually had zero dog breeds.

Checkmate, atheist!

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Are you proposing that Native Americans just went around hunting with random collections of mismatched strays? And they never interfered in any way with the survival or breeding of those strays? They never even did so much as kill the most aggressive ones or keep the most protective ones closer in order to protect their families?

Nope, never said that. Maybe you ought to go back and reread what I did say.

What you did say is that you counted zero specialized breeds.

Then you mistook evidence that the Xolo wasn't independently domesticated in the New World (from native wolves or coyotes) to mean it was brought from Europe.

My quote there is all questions. I'm not saying that's your position, I'm asking. Because I'm genuinely unsure what you're actually getting at if you are apparently unwilling to believe in any of the specialized American breeds that have been pointed out to you so far.

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It's even more ridiculous than thinking that the Aztecs didn't use fertilizer or that modern-looking corn just sprang up naturally out of the ground, God's gift to His chosen people in Mesoamerica.

I never said any of those things, either. Those are strawman arguments. Look it up. I even provided a link.

You demanded evidence of fertilizer use and only after I pointed out how ridiculous the alternative would be you admitted that you could accept "without evidence" that Mesoamericans probably bred maize to produce more grain. (Without evidence because you simply never bothered to look.)

Where's your evidence that Europeans used fertilizer?

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Sure, but if "more advanced society" just means "society more able to advance technology"

Who said anything about a "more advanced society"?
Shibboleth. Did you miss that whole discussion that took place among other people while you were away?

Why is it still so hard for you to pay attention to the course of the discussion?
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General Discussion / Re: Thousand-dollar dog
« Last post by The Latinist on January 25, 2020, 07:23:31 AM »
If you've got $2,300 to spend on a meal, and you like that kind of stuff, I get it. I'm offended by it, but I understand it. But eating gold is just plain stupid, irresponsible waste. It certainly has no flavor (I've never tried it) so it's basically the same as lighting your cigar with $100 bills.
Price Range of Fugu
An individual can expect to pay anywhere from 3000 yen to several thousands of yen for fugu sashimi, depending on market value. However, there are also many specialty restaurants that offer fugu-centered course meals.Dec 31, 2016
Cuisine: Japanese cuisine

https://matcha-jp.com/en/3398

3,000 yen is only US$27. But at least eating an exotic hot dog with gold leaf is unlikely to kill you.
Typical gaijin typo. The meal would cost you $27,000 US$.

The article says the meal costs 10,000 to 30,000 yen.  Assuming the higher price of 30,000 JPY and the current exchange rate of .0092 USD per JPY, the cost of the meal is 30,000 * .0092 = 274.54 USD. You’re off by two orders of magnitude.
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General Discussion / Re: Thousand-dollar dog
« Last post by Noisy Rhysling on January 25, 2020, 06:56:27 AM »
If you've got $2,300 to spend on a meal, and you like that kind of stuff, I get it. I'm offended by it, but I understand it. But eating gold is just plain stupid, irresponsible waste. It certainly has no flavor (I've never tried it) so it's basically the same as lighting your cigar with $100 bills.
Price Range of Fugu
An individual can expect to pay anywhere from 3000 yen to several thousands of yen for fugu sashimi, depending on market value. However, there are also many specialty restaurants that offer fugu-centered course meals.Dec 31, 2016
Cuisine: Japanese cuisine

https://matcha-jp.com/en/3398

3,000 yen is only US$27. But at least eating an exotic hot dog with gold leaf is unlikely to kill you.
Typical gaijin typo. The meal would cost you $27,000 US$.
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Skepticism / Science Talk / Re: Collapse of Easter Island
« Last post by Desert Fox on January 25, 2020, 05:56:17 AM »
Here is an article arguing for the no collapse model. At least no collapse until European contact

http://theconversation.com/the-truth-about-easter-island-a-sustainable-society-has-been-falsely-blamed-for-its-own-demise-85563
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Sorry I can't hear you from so far away, I am still on the football pitch while you seem to have run all the way to the end of the parking lot with that goalpost.
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