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Title: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on March 05, 2017, 09:51:41 AM
For the most part, his posts seem to be just plain conspiracy crazy, which is the main reason I put in here instead of in Politics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJL7nz3w0hk

Jones's style of conspiracy is mostly related to NWO (New World Order) and the shadow corporations & government.

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Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on March 05, 2017, 10:14:46 AM
Im looking forward to the point where Jones has to backtrack and start paintimg Trump as part of the conspiracy to make his schtick work.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on March 05, 2017, 10:24:42 AM
Satanist and occult connections with the American Left "to kill Trump":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbZ71Rvz-DI
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on March 05, 2017, 12:41:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=kjwEnvtwSCc

Makes Jones infinitely more watchable.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on March 06, 2017, 10:45:32 AM
I heard there's a conspiracy theory out there that Jones is really Bill Hicks and it makes him furious.

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Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: xenu on March 06, 2017, 11:03:46 AM
That Podcast "Cognitive Dissonance" has Jones on all the time. They rip him all the time. If he believes half the shit that he says he really is crazy.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 06, 2017, 11:16:09 AM
His recent Joe Rogan interview was crazy.  At one point, he was talking about interdimensional child molesting spirit-vampires.  At another point, he was talking about an international consortium of pedophiles with an AI. 

It was much worse than the usual shit about goblin vomit and water that turns frogs gay. 

And this guy is of influence to the president
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Paul Blevins Jr. on March 06, 2017, 02:50:07 PM
I have three co-workers who believe every single word Jones says. One of them is a 55-yr old black woman and another is a twenty-something black man. Boggles my mind.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on March 06, 2017, 05:30:38 PM
That Podcast "Cognitive Dissonance" has Jones on all the time. They rip him all the time. If he believes half the shit that he says he really is crazy.
Jon Ronson seems to think Jones isn't putting it on. Ronson says he helped elevate Jones to a national platform when he invited Alex to infiltrate Bohemian Grove and while Ronson was having a relaxed laugh, Alex was sneaking around in fear of his own life.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Igor SMC on March 27, 2017, 08:54:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d1F0mJ8QPs
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: teethering on March 27, 2017, 12:34:40 PM
One of the more interesting points about him that I've heard raised (I think on The Weeds podcast) is that if he was just a conspiracy nut the Trump-Russia connection is ripe for it.  Like there's something incredibly suggestive about all the connections between Trump and Putin and people not inclined to come up with conspiracy theories are having a hard time avoiding drawing these connections.  But this tool isn't having any issues with it, apparently.

This (among other reasons) is why I think it's all an act.  A cynical, disgusting act of a man who is exploiting the gullible for personal gain and gratification.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on March 27, 2017, 01:07:48 PM
Is he an illuminati wonk? If he were then the Trump/Russia thing would be immaterial.
But I actually do suspect he is just a con artist.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on March 27, 2017, 01:24:06 PM
This (among other reasons) is why I think it's all an act.  A cynical, disgusting act of a man who is exploiting the gullible for personal gain and gratification.
You know the saying, flattery gets you everywhere. He has the ear of the POTUS, there is no way he is going to alienate a powerful and famous person no matter how insane he is. Though you're likely just as right.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on March 28, 2017, 08:10:40 AM
Had to put on his, "my lawyer is making me say this face" recently.

http://doubtfulnews.com/2017/03/observe-alex-jones-weaseling-out-of-a-legal-jam/
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: seamas on March 28, 2017, 01:53:01 PM
Had to put on his, "my lawyer is making me say this face" recently.

http://doubtfulnews.com/2017/03/observe-alex-jones-weaseling-out-of-a-legal-jam/

I hope that doesn't help him one little bit.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Igor SMC on March 28, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
Dont you guys think that it is seriously frightening that the most powerful person in the world.... believes in Alex Jones?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on March 28, 2017, 02:53:34 PM
Yeah, I really can't get over that.  We elect politicians based on their marketing and acting prowess and this is where it's taken us. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: teethering on March 28, 2017, 07:52:25 PM
Dont you guys think that it is seriously frightening that the most powerful person in the world.... believes in Alex Jones?

Sort of.

I think the lesson we're learning is that the power of the office of the president depends quite a lot on the competency of the president.  And luckily for everyone involved Trump is utterly useless, even when it comes to following through on his mendacious and cruel agenda inspired by Alex Jones delusions.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on April 17, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
His wife claims he's not a fraud, but his attorney claims he is a fraud...

http://fusion.net/alex-jones-defense-in-upcoming-custody-battle-is-that-1794370575 (http://fusion.net/alex-jones-defense-in-upcoming-custody-battle-is-that-1794370575)

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The man who claims the Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre was staged will be in a Texas courtroom over the next two weeks to argue that he is mentally fit to maintain custody of his three kids. To prove this, Jones’ attorneys will say the InfoWars boss and friend of Donald Trump is a fraud.

To be fair, that’s not exactly what the attorneys are arguing. Rather, attorney Randall Wilhite told a judge during a pretrial hearing that Jones is a “performance artist,” according to a report in the Austin-American Statesman, which is covering the lengthy (and expensive) custody dispute.

The children’s mother, Kelly Jones, believes that not only is Jones a bad parent, he also poses a threat to their three kids. And she doesn’t buy the argument that his InfoWars persona is an act.

Here’s what she told a judge at the pretrial hearing in Travis County, according to the Statesman:

“He’s not a stable person,” she said of the man with whom her 14-year-old son and 9- and 12-year-old daughters have lived since her 2015 divorce. “He says he wants to break Alec Baldwin’s neck. He wants J-Lo to get raped.

“I’m concerned that he is engaged in felonious behavior, threatening a member of Congress,” she said, referring to his recent comments about California Democrat Adam Schiff. “He broadcasts from home. The children are there, watching him broadcast.”

Wilhite said using InfoWars to judge Alex Jones would be like evaluating Jack Nicholson based on his interpretation of the Joker in Batman, the Statesman writes.

Duly noted. From this day forward, Jones’ reckless verbal dances with the devil in the pale moonlight are hereby confirmed as works of fiction. You hear that, Donald?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on April 19, 2017, 09:01:42 AM
His wife claims he's not a fraud, but his attorney claims he is a fraud...

http://fusion.net/alex-jones-defense-in-upcoming-custody-battle-is-that-1794370575 (http://fusion.net/alex-jones-defense-in-upcoming-custody-battle-is-that-1794370575)

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The man who claims the Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre was staged will be in a Texas courtroom over the next two weeks to argue that he is mentally fit to maintain custody of his three kids. To prove this, Jones’ attorneys will say the InfoWars boss and friend of Donald Trump is a fraud.

To be fair, that’s not exactly what the attorneys are arguing. Rather, attorney Randall Wilhite told a judge during a pretrial hearing that Jones is a “performance artist,” according to a report in the Austin-American Statesman, which is covering the lengthy (and expensive) custody dispute.

The children’s mother, Kelly Jones, believes that not only is Jones a bad parent, he also poses a threat to their three kids. And she doesn’t buy the argument that his InfoWars persona is an act.

Here’s what she told a judge at the pretrial hearing in Travis County, according to the Statesman:

“He’s not a stable person,” she said of the man with whom her 14-year-old son and 9- and 12-year-old daughters have lived since her 2015 divorce. “He says he wants to break Alec Baldwin’s neck. He wants J-Lo to get raped.

“I’m concerned that he is engaged in felonious behavior, threatening a member of Congress,” she said, referring to his recent comments about California Democrat Adam Schiff. “He broadcasts from home. The children are there, watching him broadcast.”

Wilhite said using InfoWars to judge Alex Jones would be like evaluating Jack Nicholson based on his interpretation of the Joker in Batman, the Statesman writes.

Duly noted. From this day forward, Jones’ reckless verbal dances with the devil in the pale moonlight are hereby confirmed as works of fiction. You hear that, Donald?


I knew he was really Bill Hicks...he faked his death and has been trolling us for years...VALIDATION!!!
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on April 19, 2017, 01:31:45 PM
I wish!!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on April 19, 2017, 04:48:57 PM
One of the more interesting points about him that I've heard raised (I think on The Weeds podcast) is that if he was just a conspiracy nut the Trump-Russia connection is ripe for it.  Like there's something incredibly suggestive about all the connections between Trump and Putin and people not inclined to come up with conspiracy theories are having a hard time avoiding drawing these connections.  But this tool isn't having any issues with it, apparently.

This (among other reasons) is why I think it's all an act.  A cynical, disgusting act of a man who is exploiting the gullible for personal gain and gratification.

I'm just guessing, but I think it may be a bit of both. I base that on nothing but the snippets I've seen of his performance and Jon Ronson's description of him in Them: Adventures with Extremists, but I want in on this thread, so I had to write something. }|:op

Do conspiracy nuts go along with any conspiracy they see, or do they usually just go with the ones that fit their politics (like most other people)?


Speaking of Jon Ronson and Alex Jones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahQCEzjkfM
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on April 19, 2017, 05:00:44 PM
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: xenu on April 20, 2017, 07:47:10 AM
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

I don't know, I think that the "Andrew Clay" character became so lucrative and everyone asked for it, that it became his full time gig. Then again you might be right.

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As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.

Ya like  a character actor who stays in character even between takes and scenes. Colbert could because he was just playing himself a smart ass.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on April 20, 2017, 02:58:55 PM
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.

"We must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut "Mother Night"
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Belgarath on April 20, 2017, 10:06:35 PM
Didn't he recently file papers in court claiming his 'show' is 'performance art' and none of it is real?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Gerbig on April 20, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
Well well, he is quite the character, aint he?


Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on April 21, 2017, 12:51:34 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/alex-jones-tells-jury-his-marijuana-has-gotten-too-strong-and-says-george-soros-is-to-blame/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/alex-jones-tells-jury-his-marijuana-has-gotten-too-strong-and-says-george-soros-is-to-blame/) for those of you who think he's all a big put on, how does this affect your opinion?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on April 21, 2017, 08:15:48 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/alex-jones-tells-jury-his-marijuana-has-gotten-too-strong-and-says-george-soros-is-to-blame/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/alex-jones-tells-jury-his-marijuana-has-gotten-too-strong-and-says-george-soros-is-to-blame/) for those of you who think he's all a big put on, how does this affect your opinion?

Maybe he just hates his kids because they're part of the New World Order?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on April 21, 2017, 10:42:52 AM
Speaking of Jon Ronson and Alex Jones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahQCEzjkfM

I should have posted this side by side with Alex Jones' interpretation of events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVtEvplXMLs

More on the "ritual" here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation_of_Care).
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on April 21, 2017, 03:20:50 PM
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.

Colbert?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on April 21, 2017, 04:03:21 PM
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.

Colbert?
Colbert plays a satire, he's not pretending to be a right winger for the character. Part of the satire is the conscious separation through the jokes. It would be much harder to play the character of Hannity or Limbaugh day in and day out because it's not a parody and there's not laugh lines and deadpan jokes.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: 2397 on April 22, 2017, 07:27:17 AM
I don't know whether he's playing a character. But there are people who play horrific characters in front of an audience for hours at a time, because they make money off of it, and seemingly don't care about the damage they cause. Like Peter Popoff.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on April 22, 2017, 09:33:28 AM
What makes you think Peter Popoff isn't just being the terrible person that he is?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: 2397 on April 22, 2017, 10:35:18 AM
Didn't say he wasn't terrible person out of character, but he's also proven to be fraudulent.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on April 22, 2017, 11:10:07 AM
Being a fraud is not the same as playing a fraud.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Mr. Beagle on April 22, 2017, 11:49:08 AM
See the Karma thread, or whatever it was we decided to call it. Today he is asking the press to respect his privacy. That said, I suspect the wife knew he was an asshole when she married him. I never understand that.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: xenu on April 22, 2017, 01:17:30 PM
...... That said, I suspect the wife knew he was an asshole when she married him. I never understand that.

Chick's dig Jerks
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on April 23, 2017, 01:05:58 AM
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: bimble on April 23, 2017, 01:43:09 PM
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on April 23, 2017, 02:39:38 PM
I always point to the example of Andrew "Dice" Clay. The dice man was a part of his early standup, but over time he started to become Dice full-time, even in otherwise out of character interviews, espousing the same views that he used as jokes on stage.

As to whether it comes from within or is internalized through playing the character I'm not sure, but I am sure that nobody can go in and play a character opposite their personality every day for several hours without it taking a toll somewhere.

Colbert?
Colbert plays a satire, he's not pretending to be a right winger for the character. Part of the satire is the conscious separation through the jokes. It would be much harder to play the character of Hannity or Limbaugh day in and day out because it's not a parody and there's not laugh lines and deadpan jokes.
A close friend and I used to make ironically racist and sexist jokes to each other when no one was around and we were watching movies together.
Like for example making fun of the fact that the black guy would always die first in horror movies or how asians are never as good at martial arts as americans.

It was a few years before I realised he had actually internalised these jokes and he would start arguing as to why it was funny but also kind of true.

Just one instance of course but I stopped making those jokes with anyone.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on April 23, 2017, 09:03:10 PM
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

It is true that she could commit perjury. Either party could.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Mr. Beagle on April 23, 2017, 09:34:24 PM
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

It is true that she could commit perjury. Either party could.

The idea that this is "just an act" is even more horrifying than it being the "real Alex Jones." The latter is basic delusion. The former is the harmful intentional dissemination of misinformation for profit.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: jds22 on April 24, 2017, 10:33:53 AM
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

It is true that she could commit perjury. Either party could.

The idea that this is "just an act" is even more horrifying than it being the "real Alex Jones." The latter is basic delusion. The former is the harmful intentional dissemination of misinformation for profit.

Agreed.
Which is worse? The liar or the lunatic?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Mr. Beagle on April 24, 2017, 10:58:25 AM
It strikes me that surely his ex-wife would know what kind of person he is?

though this is a custody battle so there is the chance that she's not being totally honest.

It is true that she could commit perjury. Either party could.

The idea that this is "just an act" is even more horrifying than it being the "real Alex Jones." The latter is basic delusion. The former is the harmful intentional dissemination of misinformation for profit.

Agreed.
Which is worse? The liar or the lunatic?
I would call the latter a mental illness, though a dangerous one in this case. I am increasingly putting Trump in this category.  He was once just a liar, but I think he is losing his grip on reality.

I am reminded of split brain tests, where the patient just makes stuff up from one side of the brain to explain the other side. But the patient is convinced of his/her rationality.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Mr. Beagle on April 24, 2017, 11:10:26 AM
I will note that I once worked for a guy who would just make shit up in front of customers and vendors. As I traveled with him for a couple years, I realized that he was an alcoholic. Chicken or egg, I think he was missing some brain cells and learned how to dissemble in order to survive.

Odd thing, this was one of the most successful periods of my career. He knew nothing of technology or finance (he came from marketing) and he began to depend on me to step into conversations and to keep him from dissembling, which he would otherwise do instead of simply saying "I don't know." Come bonus time he was generous to me. I often ask myself if I was his enabler.

I have forced two employees into rehab over the years, but never tried that with a boss.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on April 24, 2017, 11:19:55 AM
Agreed.
Which is worse? The liar or the lunatic?
I would call the latter a mental illness, though a dangerous one in this case. I am increasingly putting Trump in this category.  He was once just a liar, but I think he is losing his grip on reality.

I think this is a false dichotomy. Trump I think is almost certainly both (and has been since at least the beginning of his campaign - I don't know much about him from before that time, so I can't comment on that), and I would guess that Alex Jones probably is as well.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on April 28, 2017, 02:01:37 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/28/alex-jones-infowars-loses-primary-custody-his-kids/101017394/
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: 2397 on April 28, 2017, 02:05:51 PM
Does that mean he isn't playing a character?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on April 28, 2017, 02:07:10 PM
Does that mean he isn't playing a character?

Apparently a believable one to the jury.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on April 28, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
I'm a little disturbed that juries are deciding custody cases.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Andrew Clunn on April 28, 2017, 02:19:21 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/28/alex-jones-infowars-loses-primary-custody-his-kids/101017394/

Okay, no.  I mean the guy is full of shit, but stuff like this has no bearing on what I think of him.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on April 28, 2017, 02:24:32 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/28/alex-jones-infowars-loses-primary-custody-his-kids/101017394/

Okay, no.  I mean the guy is full of shit, but stuff like this has no bearing on what I think of him.

I thought the case interesting in that the jury found that he was "indoctrinating" his kids against his ex-wife. That said, custody battles suck and are often no reflection on a person's ability to parent.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on April 28, 2017, 02:27:00 PM
I'm a little disturbed that juries are deciding custody cases.

I've always been a little disturbed that layman juries are deciding anything at all in the U.S. legal system.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: 2397 on April 28, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
So what about elected judges?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: JuniorSpaceman on April 28, 2017, 05:26:54 PM
A close friend and I used to make ironically racist and sexist jokes to each other when no one was around and we were watching movies together.
Like for example making fun of the fact that the black guy would always die first in horror movies or how asians are never as good at martial arts as americans.

It was a few years before I realised he had actually internalised these jokes and he would start arguing as to why it was funny but also kind of true.

Just one instance of course but I stopped making those jokes with anyone.
Quoting this again for emphasis. Can anybody point me to the psychological trick, which is used for example by advertisers when they have competitions to make people write why they love a product - the idea being that if you say something (eg "I love eating McDonalds because their burgers are the freshest"), even if you know that you're being disingenuous, you are more likely to believe it later on.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on April 28, 2017, 05:40:18 PM
A close friend and I used to make ironically racist and sexist jokes to each other when no one was around and we were watching movies together.
Like for example making fun of the fact that the black guy would always die first in horror movies or how asians are never as good at martial arts as americans.

It was a few years before I realised he had actually internalised these jokes and he would start arguing as to why it was funny but also kind of true.

Just one instance of course but I stopped making those jokes with anyone.
Quoting this again for emphasis. Can anybody point me to the psychological trick, which is used for example by advertisers when they have competitions to make people write why they love a product - the idea being that if you say something (eg "I love eating McDonalds because their burgers are the freshest"), even if you know that you're being disingenuous, you are more likely to believe it later on.

Maybe you're referring to anchoring (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring#Attitude_change)?

EDIT: And if that's not it, it's probably one of these (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/The_Cognitive_Bias_Codex_-_180%2B_biases%2C_designed_by_John_Manoogian_III_%28jm3%29.png/1500px-The_Cognitive_Bias_Codex_-_180%2B_biases%2C_designed_by_John_Manoogian_III_%28jm3%29.png)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on May 09, 2017, 12:31:17 AM
There seems to be a lot of personal back and forth between Colbert and Alex Jones - it would be interesting to see them both on the same show!
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on July 01, 2017, 12:04:07 AM
http://www.ibtimes.com/nasa-denies-theory-it-running-child-slave-colony-mars-2560088

NASA Denies Theory That It Is Running A Child Slave Colony On Mars

InfoWars is no stranger to controversy, as its far-right talking head Alex Jones has regularly entertained even the most fringe conspiracy theories on the program for years. A recent segment of InfoWars — which airs on 118 nationwide stations — purported that there was a sex slave colony of kidnapped children living on Mars. NASA, for its part, disagreed.

The Daily Beast reached a NASA representative for comment in its Thursday report on the bizarre rumor broached by Jones’ guest, Robert David Steele, during the Thursday episode of InfoWars. Guy Webster, a spokesperson for Mars exploration at NASA, told the Daily Beast that the claim was — as many likely suspected — unfounded.

“There are no humans on Mars. There are active rovers on Mars. There was a rumor going around last week that there weren’t. There are,” he said. “But there are no humans.”
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on July 01, 2017, 12:10:43 AM
There seems to be a lot of personal back and forth between Colbert and Alex Jones - it would be interesting to see them both on the same show!

I imagine he'd acquit himself with more grace and dignity than noted blowhard Cenk Uygur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m-42A37zxM
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on July 01, 2017, 10:01:31 AM
http://www.ibtimes.com/nasa-denies-theory-it-running-child-slave-colony-mars-2560088

NASA Denies Theory That It Is Running A Child Slave Colony On Mars

InfoWars is no stranger to controversy, as its far-right talking head Alex Jones has regularly entertained even the most fringe conspiracy theories on the program for years. A recent segment of InfoWars — which airs on 118 nationwide stations — purported that there was a sex slave colony of kidnapped children living on Mars. NASA, for its part, disagreed.


Is the ibtimes like the onion? This sounds batshit even for Alex Jones and friends.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on July 01, 2017, 11:54:43 AM
http://www.ibtimes.com/nasa-denies-theory-it-running-child-slave-colony-mars-2560088

NASA Denies Theory That It Is Running A Child Slave Colony On Mars

InfoWars is no stranger to controversy, as its far-right talking head Alex Jones has regularly entertained even the most fringe conspiracy theories on the program for years. A recent segment of InfoWars — which airs on 118 nationwide stations — purported that there was a sex slave colony of kidnapped children living on Mars. NASA, for its part, disagreed.


Is the ibtimes like the onion? This sounds batshit even for Alex Jones and friends.

The infowars segment is embedded in the IBT article.  Skip to about 2:55 for the claim by a "CIA insider."  Or watch the whole thing to find out how children are being ground up to turn into an anti-aging potion.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on July 01, 2017, 12:46:53 PM
It's just like an ethnocentric white cis male to use his own culture as the yardstick for judging all others. The Reptoids have their own civilization too, which is no less valid than the Western colonialist Imperialism of Alex Jones' ancestors. If grinding up infants to make anti-aging potions is one of the beautiful, sacred traditions of their culture, it's not for us to judge.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 01, 2017, 07:57:44 AM
Thought I should post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGq6cjcc3Q
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Belgarath on August 01, 2017, 09:19:37 AM
This was THE BEST.  I love the fact he's not going after him for being batshit crazy.  He's going after him for being batshit crazy IN ORDER TO SELL batshit stupid shit to the masses.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Billzbub on August 01, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
I wonder if Alex Jones will have a response.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 02, 2017, 11:29:04 PM
I wonder if Alex Jones will have a response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A10eGAnf5M
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 03, 2017, 02:59:08 PM
Let us assume that Alex Jones is being honest, it is actually alright with you that he is robbing people? Let us face it, that is what he is doing.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 03, 2017, 03:04:56 PM
Let us assume that Alex Jones is being honest, it is actually alright with you that he is robbing people? Let us face it, that is what he is doing.

#1 He's not being honest.

#2 It is not alright that he's ripping people off.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on August 03, 2017, 03:09:59 PM
Let us assume that Alex Jones is being honest, it is actually alright with you that he is robbing people? Let us face it, that is what he is doing.

"Behold, the Underminer! I'm always beneath you, but nothing is beneath me! I hereby declare war on peace and happiness! Soon, all will tremble before me!"
—The Underminer from The Incredibles.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 03, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
Let us assume that Alex Jones is being honest, it is actually alright with you that he is robbing people? Let us face it, that is what he is doing.

#1 He's not being honest.

#2 It is not alright that he's ripping people off.

I am challenging Pdb88 on it. Of course I don't think it is alright.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 04, 2017, 12:54:56 AM
Let us assume that Alex Jones is being honest, it is actually alright with you that he is robbing people? Let us face it, that is what he is doing.

Here's a http://shop2.porsche.com/australia/lifestyle/office/wap0507100g/usb-stick-rs-2-7.pdds (http://shop2.porsche.com/australia/lifestyle/office/wap0507100g/usb-stick-rs-2-7.pdds) porsche 8GB usb for almost $70 AUD, why? People (including me) like Porsche and are willing to pay a premium. It's the same with Alex Jones - people support him and what he does (he was behind the "Bill Clinton RAPE" shirt and people chanting "lock her up") and it is a legitimate cause that some people support if a little crass and offensive.

He is not robbing anyone, he sells products and people give him money - it worked for OSHO:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTgXraminDC4lHApyAuqs7mzVFWdOAuJcCyyn7Ea99j875OxXx7_rAC66o)

Would I give him money or buy his products? Probably not but I do not see it as worse than buying a $70 porsche usb or what The Young Turks do. Alex Jones is incredibly successful and I don't see him as being immoral at all.

He is talking about endocrine disruptors and it is real, Alex Jones says it in a ridiculous way "frogs gay" but it is true:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Tom_Zoeller/publication/11586719_Endocrine_Disruptors-A_Controversy_in_Science_and_Policy_Session_III_Summary_and_Research_Needs/links/0c96052c953cc74e56000000.pdf
Quote
Five trends can be identified from the new research on
endocrine disruptors: (1) exposure levels sufficient to
produce profound physiological effects in laboratory
experiments are dramatically lower than once thought;
(2) endocrine disruptors are not just a small number of
persistent bioaccumulative contaminants but rather are
found in a broad array of chemical classes which had
previously been thought to be devoid of hormonal
activity; (3) human exposure to endocrine disrupting
chemicals is ubiquitous; (4) every hormonal system
examined has been found to be vulnerable to endocrine
disruption by exogenous chemicals; (5) in utero exposure
to a growing list of chemicals have been found to
impact development in ways that may be present at birth,
or may not be measurable until adulthood.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 04, 2017, 01:04:15 AM
Just wow.

On a skeptics forum no less.

SMH.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 04, 2017, 01:09:52 AM
Just wow.

On a skeptics forum no less.

SMH.

I love that Infowars and the Goop sell the same crap
https://qz.com/1010684/all-the-wellness-products-american-love-to-buy-are-sold-on-both-infowars-and-goop/

Edit: Something gives me the feeling that the poster would also support Jim Bakker and his food buckets.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 04, 2017, 05:37:48 AM
Just wow.

On a skeptics forum no less.

SMH.

I doubt any of the supplements are useful - in the same way that the Porsche usb is probably no better than a cheap alternative. People are paying a premium to eat like Gwyneth or feel like Alex Jones.

Alex Jones is an entertaining and polarising figure - I think he has as much a right to promote his views as any mainstream host or presenter. John Oliver gets his money from HBO - Alex Jones makes money from direct marketing and he is probably much richer than John Oliver. The most damning part was that AJ wears a Rolex and mentioned that he doesn't care about material wealth (he was lying - Alex Jones does hours of unprepared speeches regularly, he is going to say some oddball things).
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 04, 2017, 05:45:04 AM
Here he is talking about the "Bill Clinton Rape Whistles" that he sells referring to the John Oliver bit. He says that the John Oliver segment will advertise enough for him to sell the excess stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbXqLSQaUU
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 04, 2017, 06:15:31 AM
I doubt any of the supplements are useful - in the same way that the Porsche usb is probably no better than a cheap alternative. People are paying a premium to eat like Gwyneth or feel like Alex Jones.

Alex Jones is an entertaining and polarising figure - I think he has as much a right to promote his views as any mainstream host or presenter. John Oliver gets his money from HBO - Alex Jones makes money from direct marketing and he is probably much richer than John Oliver. The most damning part was that AJ wears a Rolex and mentioned that he doesn't care about material wealth (he was lying - Alex Jones does hours of unprepared speeches regularly, he is going to say some oddball things).

Because some of his audience is not quite balanced, what Alex Jones does is quite dangerous. He rallies them up to the point where they are dangerous. Look at the Comet Ping Pong Shooting?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 04, 2017, 06:37:10 AM
Because some of his audience is not quite balanced, what Alex Jones does is quite dangerous. He rallies them up to the point where they are dangerous. Look at the Comet Ping Pong Shooting?

Alex Jones doesn't have the monopoly on nutters in his audience -  the Fresno shooter was a CNN and MSNBC fan  (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fresno-shooting-california-gunman-kori-ali-muhammad-allahu-akbar-kill-as-many-white-men-police-a7690281.html) and used their videos as justification for his madness.

This comes down to freedom of expression, Alex Jones can express his ideas and then people that disagree with him can refute him. Youtube democratises arguments - if someone can refute him and be entertaining then they could garner views. The only other solution would be censorship of ideas that are against the mainstream. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 04, 2017, 10:13:09 AM
Alex Jones doesn't have the monopoly on nutters in his audience -  the Fresno shooter was a CNN and MSNBC fan  (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fresno-shooting-california-gunman-kori-ali-muhammad-allahu-akbar-kill-as-many-white-men-police-a7690281.html) and used their videos as justification for his madness.

Alex Jones doesn't have a monopoly on crazy people, but it's the irrational things he says and his furious delivery that incite craziness.

Like Rush Limbaugh, Jones runs a fake news outlet that presents hysterical nonsense as facts. Making up and spreading outrageous lies incurs responsibility for the consequences when people act on the false information you gave them. It's disingenuous to equate professional liars like Jones and Limbaugh with legitimate news outlets that do real journalism, validate their sources, and fact check their material.


This comes down to freedom of expression, Alex Jones can express his ideas and then people that disagree with him can refute him. Youtube democratises arguments [...] The only other solution would be censorship of ideas that are against the mainstream.

Nobody is arguing that Alex Jones doesn't have the right or the freedom to say the things he says. But when people abuse their freedoms in ways that cause widespread harm, those freedoms eventually get taken away from everybody. Outrageous fake news pundits like Alex Jones might actually represent a threat to our 1st Amendment rights.

It doesn't come down to "freedom." What it really comes down to is civic responsibility, a central component of life in a civilized society that many libertarians seem to pretend doesn't exist.


if someone can refute him and be entertaining then they could garner views.

This is not the kind of problem that is likely to be magically solved by the "free market." Debunking the ravings of a high-profile public liar with a large and expensive media presence is always going to be far more difficult (and boring) than the rabble rouser himself gish-galloping numerous lies into every rant. Let alone the challenge of "being entertaining" while doing it. When your entire shtick is piggybacked on the careers of more famous public figures, you'll always be riding the latest wave of bullshit, never truly able to get ahead of the curve. Which is not to say that there's nothing to be gained in doing so, but it's highly unlikely that anyone's going to come along and simply mock Alex Jones out of existence.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Belgarath on August 04, 2017, 12:09:59 PM
Alex Jones is lying to people to get them to buy his stupid shit.  He's a horrible human piece of garbage for doing so.  He is playing on the conspiracy crowd in order to enrich himself and for that he's repulsive.  Why is it that ALL of these people with a megaphone are ALWAYS selling something along with their conspiracy bullshit.

And PDBHH you should feel like shit for making excuses for him.  He's not an innocent actor selling stupid shit.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on August 04, 2017, 12:35:20 PM
The Porsche analogy doesnt work because people who buy it know they are paying for the brand but that they will get a usb device that works.
Alex Jones sells things inflated under his brand but they also dont work and he knows it.
He also, y'know, propagates dangerous lies with real world impact such as the Sandy Hook conspiracy and pizzagate.

I would be very surprised if PDB88 believes the stuff they say  but we will never know and it doesnt really matter. Its a rare case of sunlight being effective in demonstrating absurdity.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 04, 2017, 11:14:05 PM
Alex Jones sells water filters and supplements. They are likely as effective as other brands and he is open about it funding his operation.

It is a fairly unusual method but it cuts out the need for YouTube monetisation or 3rd party ads that will pull support given controversies.

Alex Jones is not a news presenter, he is clearly expressing an opinion. He has been more accurate in his predictions about Trump in the last 2 years than most others.

I find him entertaining with some interesting viewpoints - he uses clickbait titles and acts insane at times which is not helpful, however, it does not mean that the social contract is destroyed when Alex Jones rips off his shirt and mock worships Hillary.

The pearl clutching attitude to AJ reminds me of the scare from hip hop or metal by the usual wowsers.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 04, 2017, 11:16:24 PM
Here he seems to be going on an anti-vax rant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VICwbMRnFKU
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on August 05, 2017, 03:20:02 AM
"as effective as other brands" is a fun way of glossing over the stuff that's not at all effective or the lies used to sell it. Defending Alex Jones though, that's a new one.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 06, 2017, 06:57:30 AM
New Alex Jones folk music:
(click to show/hide)

Alex Jones is a master at self promotion and was instrumental in getting Trump elected - it's hard to deal with him because attacks are seen as legitimisation, ignoring him is seen as silencing his views and if you try to mock him.. oh boy... he mocks himself more than anyone else - he'll probably just turn it into a competition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgNtyHvPQ4U
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 06, 2017, 07:37:34 AM
There is something you don't understand. While a lot of electrons have been spilled over politics, most of the posters here are concerned about more about politics.

Whether Alex Jones was (or was not) instrumental with Trump win is immaterial. We care about a skepticism driven lifestyle. The evidence is clear that anthropogenic global warming is real and something needs to be done to mitigate it. It is clear that vaccines save lives.

Alex Jones sells junk that does not work. He is a fear monger combined with a snake oil salesman. Maybe in some cases he is deceived himself but with at least some of the stuff he sells, he has to know he is lying to his audience. Outside of politics, Alex Jones is a perfectly valid target for skepticism.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 06, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
There is something you don't understand. While a lot of electrons have been spilled over politics, most of the posters here are concerned about more about politics.

Whether Alex Jones was (or was not) instrumental with Trump win is immaterial. We care about a skepticism driven lifestyle. The evidence is clear that anthropogenic global warming is real and something needs to be done to mitigate it. It is clear that vaccines save lives.

Alex Jones sells junk that does not work. He is a fear monger combined with a snake oil salesman. Maybe in some cases he is deceived himself but with at least some of the stuff he sells, he has to know he is lying to his audience. Outside of politics, Alex Jones is a perfectly valid target for skepticism.

Alex Jones is certainly a valid target and he certainly airs ideas that are misleading and false.

As far as AGW and vaccines he seems to be voicing concerns about infringing on freedom - government mandates, multilateral agreements, world government etc. this is his worldview being against the federal government getting involved with the individual.

I doubt Alex Jones says that there is no AGW or benefits from vaccines. He does move outside the mainstream views on those two ideas and that is disturbing as he may be causing harm, if he is doing it just to sell products and has no conviction. My take is that he does have a sincere conviction but exaggerates and uses novel presentation techniques and uses his platform to sell water filters and supplements - he is also clear about using the funds to help promote his ideas.

I watch car Youtube channels that sell proprietary car care or performance goods that express opinions about AGW that dismiss it - Top Gear and The Grand Tour make global warming jokes regularly, they also sell merchandise.

This is a typical segment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2Q_n57uJ3U
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 06, 2017, 08:13:07 AM
In the first minute of the video I posted, Alex Jones said that polio shots are used to paralyze kids. That is utter bullshit. Whether he, or Jenny McCarthy, believe the bullshit they spew, it is bullshit that we are going to call them on. If either one causes kids not to get them MMR vaccine (or more likely in his case an old person not getting their flu vaccine), and somebody dies, he is responsible for killing somebody.

Just as companies  are not allowed to dump raw industrial waste in rivers, society has the collective right to try to mitigate global warming. I like personal freedom too but when it actively harms other people or society in general, there is the collective right to stop that activity.

Checking out InfoWars, there are videos where Alex Jones argues that global warming is a complete and utter fraud. It certainly seems like he is arguing that global warming is not real.

Yes, he has the right to do what he is doing, but I also have the right to call him a garbage human being.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on August 06, 2017, 08:26:05 AM
Yep. And now we're providing a bunch of SEO for Jones by allowing a conspiracy-apologist to post all his videos. Yay.

I submit this thread (among so many others) as a prime example of why letting someone shit all over your platform in the name of "debate" or "discussion" is not effective.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 06, 2017, 08:45:21 AM
In the first minute of the video I posted, Alex Jones said that polio shots are used to paralyze kids. That is utter bullshit. Whether he, or Jenny McCarthy, believe the bullshit they spew, it is bullshit that we are going to call them on. If either one causes kids not to get them MMR vaccine (or more likely in his case an old person not getting their flu vaccine), and somebody dies, he is responsible for killing somebody.

Just as companies  are not allowed to dump raw industrial waste in rivers, society has the collective right to try to mitigate global warming. I like personal freedom too but when it actively harms other people or society in general, there is the collective right to stop that activity.

Checking out InfoWars, there are videos where Alex Jones argues that global warming is a complete and utter fraud. It certainly seems like he is arguing that global warming is not real.

Yes, he has the right to do what he is doing, but I also have the right to call him a garbage human being.

As a matter of being factual, more people are paralysed by the polio vaccine than by polio (because the polio vaccine contains a live strain of polio)
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio

It should be up to the individual to decide if they are willing to take the chance. In areas with large polio outbreaks (or recent memories of outbreaks) I'm sure people will take the vaccine readily, when there is less chance of the disease and real (although low probability) side-effects, I would say it is the choice of the individual rather than the government.

We live in a probabilistic world and healthcare and pharmaceuticals is certainly based on costs and benefits and expected outcomes. In Australia, we have government payments cut and children not allowed in childcare or preschools if they are not sufficiently vaccinated, which I view as a reasonable compromise. Nobody should be compelled to take a flu vaccine or an NMR vaccine. It is much more problematic when it is the rights of a baby or young child as opposed to an adult not getting the flu vaccine but I am still on the side of the parent making an informed decision (although they should speak to their doctor rather than believe Alex Jones).

Yep. And now we're providing a bunch of SEO for Jones by allowing a conspiracy-apologist to post all his videos. Yay.

I submit this thread (among so many others) as a prime example of why letting someone shit all over your platform in the name of "debate" or "discussion" is not effective.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. If you have objections to Alex Jones then discuss your concerns, I think attacking Jones for his peddling of low quality goods is a very effective tool  much better than just saying he thinks that frogs are turning gay, seeing as there is feminisation of frogs occurring:
http://www.pnas.org/content/107/10/4612.full
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The herbicide atrazine is one of the most commonly applied pesticides in the world. As a result, atrazine is the most commonly detected pesticide contaminant of ground, surface, and drinking water. Atrazine is also a potent endocrine disruptor that is active at low, ecologically relevant concentrations. Previous studies showed that atrazine adversely affects amphibian larval development. The present study demonstrates the reproductive consequences of atrazine exposure in adult amphibians. Atrazine-exposed males were both demasculinized (chemically castrated) and completely feminized as adults. Ten percent of the exposed genetic males developed into functional females that copulated with unexposed males and produced viable eggs. Atrazine-exposed males suffered from depressed testosterone, decreased breeding gland size, demasculinized/feminized laryngeal development, suppressed mating behavior, reduced spermatogenesis, and decreased fertility. These data are consistent with effects of atrazine observed in other vertebrate classes. The present findings exemplify the role that atrazine and other endocrine-disrupting pesticides likely play in global amphibian declines.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 06, 2017, 09:01:44 AM
As a matter of being factual, more people are paralysed by the polio vaccine than by polio (because the polio vaccine contains a live strain of polio)
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio

It should be up to the individual to decide if they are willing to take the chance. In areas with large polio outbreaks (or recent memories of outbreaks) I'm sure people will take the vaccine readily, when there is less chance of the disease and real (although low probability) side-effects, I would say it is the choice of the individual rather than the government.

Did you read the article? It states that the version given in the developed world is the dead version, not the attenuated live version. It tend to happen in war torn areas where the health care system has collapsed.  In addition, the WHO is trying to replace the live version with the dead version. I am also almost positive that I have seen Alex Jones speak against the WHO, which is trying to solve the problem.

Might want to watch what you post in the future because somebody might actually read the article.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on August 06, 2017, 09:19:22 AM
Quote
Sunlight is the best disinfectant
Citation needed.
So now we are into actual anti vax rhetoric.
I have been falling off the 'dont feed the trolls' wagon of late and while it was fun, I need to get back on.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 06, 2017, 09:30:03 AM
As a matter of being factual, more people are paralysed by the polio vaccine than by polio (because the polio vaccine contains a live strain of polio)
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio

It should be up to the individual to decide if they are willing to take the chance. In areas with large polio outbreaks (or recent memories of outbreaks) I'm sure people will take the vaccine readily, when there is less chance of the disease and real (although low probability) side-effects, I would say it is the choice of the individual rather than the government.

Did you read the article? It states that the version given in the developed world is the dead version, not the attenuated live version. It tend to happen in war torn areas where the health care system has collapsed.  In addition, the WHO is trying to replace the live version with the dead version. I am also almost positive that I have seen Alex Jones speak against the WHO, which is trying to solve the problem.

Might want to watch what you post in the future because somebody might actually read the article.

The claim that Alex Jones made about paralysis being caused by a Polio virus is true, in fact the number of cases of paralysis exceed the cases of Polio paralysis. I'm sure Alex Jones also has suspicions about WHO.

https://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-chelsea-clinton-predict-global-bio-terrorist-pandemic/

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The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is listed as a member of the World Health Organization (WHO).
Remember, as outlined in Bill Clinton’s book, his foundation and others like it are the ones calling for better obedience from organizations like WHO.
If the chips fall, it’s the foundations and trust funds that want to be the ones sitting on top.
In fact, an out-of-control pandemic might be the crisis of choice for the global elite.
Beyond a large death count, an out-of-control virus spreading worldwide could trigger the U.N. to impose their International Health Regulations, or IHR, which intends to manage the world’s response to a global outbreak of a deadly pathogen.
In early 2017, the Oxford Press released, “Governing Global Health: Who Runs The World and Why” by – who would have guessed it – Chelsea Clinton and co-authored by Devi Sridhar.
The book discusses the current global model of principal/agent theory, or Public Private Partnerships funding and managing a coordinated response of a worldwide pandemic and what is needed to improve this model.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on August 06, 2017, 10:42:39 AM
Nope. Facts, like math, onl;y count if you do the work properly. You don't get partial credit for throwing a bunch of shit at the wall and occasionally smashing a fly, because you've still covered the wall with shit.

Too bad Clunn's not here to see his believed right wing skeptics in action.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 06, 2017, 11:26:27 AM
As a matter of being factual, more people are paralysed by the polio vaccine than by polio (because the polio vaccine contains a live strain of polio)
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio

It should be up to the individual to decide if they are willing to take the chance. In areas with large polio outbreaks (or recent memories of outbreaks) I'm sure people will take the vaccine readily, when there is less chance of the disease and real (although low probability) side-effects, I would say it is the choice of the individual rather than the government.

Did you read the article? It states that the version given in the developed world is the dead version, not the attenuated live version. It tend to happen in war torn areas where the health care system has collapsed.  In addition, the WHO is trying to replace the live version with the dead version. I am also almost positive that I have seen Alex Jones speak against the WHO, which is trying to solve the problem.

Might want to watch what you post in the future because somebody might actually read the article.

The claim that Alex Jones made about paralysis being caused by a Polio virus is true, in fact the number of cases of paralysis exceed the cases of Polio paralysis. I'm sure Alex Jones also has suspicions about WHO.

https://www.infowars.com/bill-gates-chelsea-clinton-predict-global-bio-terrorist-pandemic/

Quote
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is listed as a member of the World Health Organization (WHO).
Remember, as outlined in Bill Clinton’s book, his foundation and others like it are the ones calling for better obedience from organizations like WHO.
If the chips fall, it’s the foundations and trust funds that want to be the ones sitting on top.
In fact, an out-of-control pandemic might be the crisis of choice for the global elite.
Beyond a large death count, an out-of-control virus spreading worldwide could trigger the U.N. to impose their International Health Regulations, or IHR, which intends to manage the world’s response to a global outbreak of a deadly pathogen.
In early 2017, the Oxford Press released, “Governing Global Health: Who Runs The World and Why” by – who would have guessed it – Chelsea Clinton and co-authored by Devi Sridhar.
The book discusses the current global model of principal/agent theory, or Public Private Partnerships funding and managing a coordinated response of a worldwide pandemic and what is needed to improve this model.

Trying to take people who genuinely care and try to twist it into something evil. . . . That is sick
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 06, 2017, 12:38:22 PM
Alex Jones [...] was instrumental in getting Trump elected

Evidence? (besides Alex Jones' own empty braggadocio)


it's hard to deal with him because attacks are seen as legitimisation, ignoring him is seen as silencing his views

WUT

Pretty sure very few people outside of the alt-right and conspiracy nutjobs actually take Alex Jones seriously.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on August 06, 2017, 09:14:02 PM
As a matter of being factual, more people are paralysed by the polio vaccine than by polio (because the polio vaccine contains a live strain of polio)
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio

It should be up to the individual to decide if they are willing to take the chance. In areas with large polio outbreaks (or recent memories of outbreaks) I'm sure people will take the vaccine readily, when there is less chance of the disease and real (although low probability) side-effects, I would say it is the choice of the individual rather than the government.

Did you read the article? It states that the version given in the developed world is the dead version, not the attenuated live version. It tend to happen in war torn areas where the health care system has collapsed.  In addition, the WHO is trying to replace the live version with the dead version. I am also almost positive that I have seen Alex Jones speak against the WHO, which is trying to solve the problem.

Might want to watch what you post in the future because somebody might actually read the article.

The claim that Alex Jones made about paralysis being caused by a Polio virus is true, in fact the number of cases of paralysis exceed the cases of Polio paralysis.

Really dude? This is only true because the number of people paralyzed by polio has declined massively (to the point of it nearly going extinct) because people are being vaccinated. That makes it a misleading argument at best. Why anyone would want to defend this kind of intellectual fecal matter is beyond me.

But then, maybe I'm just biased against poor old misunderstood wild strain polio because my aunt has post polio syndrome and is in the pocket of big polio-vax volunteers to raise awareness of this illness and it's effects.

But yes, by all means, lets encourage people to stop vaccinating their kids against one of the worst diseases we know of because there's a miniscule chance that they'll have an adverse reaction to one outdated version of the vaccine that is about to eradicate it - again; we've been here before, if you'll recall, with the main difference being that the anti vaxers of the day were mostly located outside the western world (particularly in Nigeria). Still, what a great legacy that must be for them.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 06, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
My point was that if you want to discuss Alex Jones' views and call him out on being factually incorrect "Polio virus causes paralysis" then be clear in the criticism. Nobody is pro-Polio and the majority of the time Alex Jones is railing against globalists and world government - he is going to be taking a negative view on the UN, WHO etc. and he is also suspicious of philanthropists that look at health projects.

I would say that there are shortcomings to a centralised approach and if there is a failure (e.g. vaccine that is contaminated) then there will be huge ripple effects throughout the world. It is essentially a federalist argument applied to the world. There is also a fear that a coalition of governments or an NGO that controls governments will actually negatively effect trade and innovation.

I see Alex Jones as a balance to mainstream media and think he is an entertaining and interesting presenter of contrarian views.

Vaccines are the best method of improving quality of life and I'm a strong supporter of promoting vaccination but I'm also open to hear criticisms of how it is applied in the world.


Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 06, 2017, 10:14:17 PM
Alex Jones [...] was instrumental in getting Trump elected

Evidence? (besides Alex Jones' own empty braggadocio)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/alex-jones-conspiracy-donald-trump-us-election-infowars-prisonplanet-a7429461.html
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As the campaign progressed, Jones became more and more of a presence. He marketed “Hillary for Prison” T-shirts, which became wildly popular. Stone recalls Trump remarking to him that he liked seeing so many of the shirts in his rally audiences. Clinton took notice. In late August, during a stump speech in Reno, Nevada, Clinton dismissed Trump’s attacks on her health as “fever dreams”. “It’s what happens when you listen to the radio host Alex Jones, who claims that 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombings were inside jobs,” Clinton declared. She noted that Trump had told the radio host: “Your reputation is amazing, I will not let you down.”

Jones was now, officially, a campaign issue. In response, he does what he always does: he went ballistic, blasting Clinton for months. In October, he said to his audience, “I’m told there’s a rotten smell around Hillary, folks, I’ve been told this by high-up folks. Obama and Hillary both smell like sulphur.”

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/09/the-alex-jones-influence-trumps-deep-state-fears-come-from-his-conspiracy-theorist-ally-and-adviser_partner/

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Even Jones seemed amazed to hear Trump speaking about his crank beliefs on the national stage. He told his audience it was “amazing” and “surreal to talk about issues here on air and then word-for-word hear [Donald] Trump say it two days later.”

The mind-meld was cemented with Trump’s speech accepting the Republican nomination as he declared war on “globalism” — the overarching idea, steeped in anti-Semitism and which Jones has promoted for decades, of a vast conspiracy of wealthy, powerful “globalists” who are the hidden, invisible hands behind world events and who manipulate them in service of accumulating personal power and wealth.

The two men remained in synchronicity with each other as the campaign progressed, with Jones pushing out conspiracies (amplified by fellow conspiracy theorist Matt Drudge at his highly trafficked Drudge Report), that were echoed by Trump on the presidential campaign trail.

If you want to hear something really out there - watch Alex Jones on the Joe Rogan experience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAh0r4C6Q2Q
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Sawyer on August 06, 2017, 11:14:34 PM
My point was that if you want to discuss Alex Jones' views and call him out on being factually incorrect "Polio virus causes paralysis" then be clear in the criticism. Nobody is pro-Polio and the majority of the time Alex Jones is railing against globalists and world government - he is going to be taking a negative view on the UN, WHO etc. and he is also suspicious of philanthropists that look at health projects.

I would say that there are shortcomings to a centralised approach and if there is a failure (e.g. vaccine that is contaminated) then there will be huge ripple effects throughout the world. It is essentially a federalist argument applied to the world. There is also a fear that a coalition of governments or an NGO that controls governments will actually negatively effect trade and innovation.

I see Alex Jones as a balance to mainstream media and think he is an entertaining and interesting presenter of contrarian views.

Vaccines are the best method of improving quality of life and I'm a strong supporter of promoting vaccination but I'm also open to hear criticisms of how it is applied in the world.

Balance?  Real scientists and journalists have been talking about the problems of using OPV versus IPV for like 20 years.  And once you start understanding the science, it's obvious that some level of centralized planning is going to be needed to solve the problem because of the underlying strengths and weaknesses of each vaccine.  Throwing out random information about OPV shedding live polio does absolutely nothing for people, because it's just one piece of a very complex puzzle.   The idea that conspiracy mongers like Jones are helping at all is ludicrous.  Is there no level of garbage you won't defend in your quest to besmirch "mainstream" news, PDB?

Free virology course lectures from someone who actually knows a little something about polio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYHqIEDph5U&list=PLGhmZX2NKiNmxhyLGzdGOO_lpp7VSi2SO

Coursera and EdX have good epidemiology courses too.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on August 07, 2017, 05:18:03 AM
Free virology course lectures from someone who actually knows a little something about polio:

Ooh! Ooh! Been looking for that kind of course. Totally stealing all the lectures.

(http://www.titaniumteddybear.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/steal-all-the-things.jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 07, 2017, 05:19:13 AM
Alex Jones doesn't care about the nuance if he can fear monger to sell his junk

I was reading a Vox article and many mostly rational seem to listen to Alex Jones and they state that 90% is bullshit but there is 10% that has value. Even if this is really the case, that noise to single ratio is just way to high, even if a person is concerned about the mainstream media and bias.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on August 07, 2017, 06:23:16 AM
I mean, even the supposed truth is still wrong. "Some polio vaccines can cause paralysis in rare cases and the WHO is working on it" is so far removed from "They are using vaccines to paralyze your children." It's like calling in a bomb threat to clear out the lunchroom for fumigation.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 07, 2017, 01:40:22 PM
I see Alex Jones as a balance to mainstream media

Alex Jones being a "balance" to mainstream media is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

It's like saying abortion clinic bombers are a "balanced" response to Roe v. Wade.

It's like drilling a hole in your head to cure a headache as a "balance" to taking an aspirin.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 07, 2017, 01:54:54 PM
I mean, even the supposed truth is still wrong. "Some polio vaccines can cause paralysis in rare cases and the WHO is working on it" is so far removed from "They are using vaccines to paralyze your children." It's like calling in a bomb threat to clear out the lunchroom for fumigation.

Good way to put it actually.

As well, a US (or developed world) nurse will never run across the problem personally unless they are working in places where health care has broken down. As such, the best that happened is that he read an article and made up bullshit around it and more likely, in my opinion, he made some crap up that somebody can point to something in reality that has a passing relationship (if you keep your eyes closed) 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 10, 2017, 06:06:18 AM
Buzzfeed has tested the Infowars supplements:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/we-sent-alex-jones-infowars-supplements-to-a-lab-heres?utm_term=.upoBK4RZ5L#.gcRkm1z4QR

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We Sent Alex Jones' Infowars Supplements To A Lab. Here's What's In Them.

Here is Alex Jones' reply (essentially he says that most of his supplements are just rebranded Whole Foods)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMHyvYuHcPs&t=1774s
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 10, 2017, 06:16:05 AM
If skeptics could have their way, supplements would be treated as drugs.
Claims of efficacy would have to actually be backed up with evidence.
Most of us don't care who makes the claim either, whether it is Alex Jones or Walgreen's. 
Also, him making money or not, scam artists are often good at making money but they are still selling bullshit.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on August 10, 2017, 07:25:43 AM
Alex Jones seems to have tapped into a similar niche that many televangelists used to dominate.

Id say he is actually just as dangerous as those crooks in the nonsense ideas he promotes and just as dishonest as any snake oil salesman.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 10, 2017, 08:22:52 AM
I see Alex Jones as a balance to mainstream media

What the fuck?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 10, 2017, 11:47:54 AM
I see Alex Jones as a balance to mainstream media

What the fuck?

Fox news is not right wright wing enough?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on August 10, 2017, 12:21:17 PM
Quick recap of conservative outdoor forum:

Post: I forward article claims without source that Soros is controlling the Deep State.

Reply: hey, Infowars isn't  reliable.

OP: they've been right often enough. If you say they aren't, pove me wrong.

Reply: here's what gpenn bck said, here's compilation of stuff he got wrong, here's stuff he claims that he contradicts, etc.

OP: that's all fake news! REEEEEE AMERICAN PRAVDA YOU'RE A SHILL.

End summary.

OP was not in the majority, but only by a slim margin.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 10, 2017, 12:22:30 PM
I see Alex Jones as a balance to mainstream media

What the fuck?

Fox news is not right wright wing enough?

This is getting into straight up Reality vs Fiction territory
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 13, 2017, 07:28:16 PM
Alex Jones is calling Charlottesville a false flag
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-calls-charlottesville-violence-a-false-flag/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGyXuMK3jkU
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 13, 2017, 07:30:48 PM
Alex Jones is calling Charlottesville a false flag

There's never a Dodge Challenger around when you really need one.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Belgarath on August 13, 2017, 08:04:10 PM
Alex Jones is calling Charlottesville a false flag

There's never a Dodge Challenger around when you really need one.

I saw a lot of confederate and Nazi flags.... No false ones though.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 14, 2017, 05:20:49 AM
Here is Alex Jones explaining the idea behind saying it is a false flag - not that the event is fake but the lead up and coverage is used to achieve a certain goal. Essentially he is saying that there is a divide and conquer operation exaggerating conflict between races (focusing on injustices, calling conservatives nazis, calling liberals cucks etc.) so that there can be greater police and government control - stopping certain groups organising etc.

Could it be that in a world of clickbait (which Alex Jones is one of the worst offenders) and headlines replacing editorials and Vox style explanatory journalism negating the need to actually use commonsense and think about events that we are starting to judge people based on race and gender. Is this progress?

It seems that the SJW movement and identity-politics from the Black Panthers and KKK has been expanded and events are viewed through critical race theory or gender theory - all of which has the end result of dividing. Rather than an actual conspiracy it is likely just cultural events that are leading to greater division and violence. Alex Jones has been predicting 1960s style violence for a few years and it appears to be happening - I would have thought skeptics would view that as evidence in favour of Alex Jones' reasoning rather than reason to dismiss him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCcAw_ImDRo
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Mr. Beagle on August 14, 2017, 11:06:26 AM
Alex Jones has long since sacrificed his reputation to the conspiracy right wing (and to his alt-medicine sponsors). Trying to find logic in Alex Jones only demonstrates one's susceptibly to bullshit.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 14, 2017, 11:20:32 AM
He's live-broadcast tabloids -- with his versions of Batboys and everything.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on August 14, 2017, 12:17:04 PM
One day Jones is going to write a check his ass can't cash. He floats out there on the fringe and he's going to play something wrong and some weirdo is going to wreck him. Only a matter of time and the more attention he gets, the more likely the scenario becomes.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 14, 2017, 12:20:33 PM
I hope so.  He's gone so far as to discuss interdimensional child-molesting vampires, though, so it'll have to involve liability
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 14, 2017, 03:44:14 PM
One day Jones is going to write a check his ass can't cash. He floats out there on the fringe and he's going to play something wrong and some weirdo is going to wreck him. Only a matter of time and the more attention he gets, the more likely the scenario becomes.

It happened to Art Bell after the Heaven's Gate suicides. He began receiving death threats against himself and his family, and retired from broadcasting to get out of the public sphere.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 16, 2017, 06:15:17 AM
A quality song contest submission (it's the turning around bad publicity of a song mocking Alex Jones into a song competition that tells me he will be more successful than Art Bell):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkbdEXiotpM
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SnarlPatrick on August 16, 2017, 04:01:09 PM
I definitely don't like his supplement advertising. It's tiresome. There's no defending it. It is what it is.

He also sells nootropic medications, which is something I was briefly interested in before finding scepticism. Much like Joe Rogan, his wackier conspiracy and anti-science views are decreasing (at least from the small bit I'veseen), and they're becoming better interviewers, to the point where I now enjoy some of the content. Moreso Rogan.  It helps to have a short memory if you're trying to appreciate AJ.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: aleks335 on August 16, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
This should maybe have been posted in the "new confessions" thread because this is the most shameful secret i think i have.
At one point i actually thought Alex Jones was great. This was 12 years or more ago, mostly it was the 9/11 was an inside job thing that brought me there (i no longer believe this at all). And some of the false flag stuff that he talked about back then, and the government is turning totalitarian resonated with something in me back then. For a while it made sense but then they started going very far, and i started reading other things. (Chomsky, M.Moore, and etc, and my dad gave me quite a bit of push-back on some stuff). What finaly took me completely out of it and made me conclude that i had been so fucking wrong to listen to these people was when they did a bit on the Bilderberg gorup and tried to make a big deal of the Norwegian politician Siv Jensen showing up.

I was like: Yeah Right!. She is the stupidest person on TV in Norway, only about 10% of people take here remotely seriously (more now unfortunately). If there is a conspiracy with Siv fucking Jensen then it will most surly completely fail immediately. Yes. she is a racist, yes she is a horrible person. But there is no way she is part of a plot to enslave Europe and the USA under the same world government. If such a plan existed there is no way it would include Siv Jensen.

So I concluded that AJ and the rest of his group and related idiots have nothing to offer in any way shape of form. And thanks to my dad who suggested i switch from computer to social science and go to an actual good university.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 16, 2017, 04:57:43 PM
Much like Joe Rogan, his wackier conspiracy and anti-science views are decreasing

He called the Charlottesville riot and the resulting murder of 3 people a "false flag operation." Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: aleks335 on August 16, 2017, 05:06:26 PM
Much like Joe Rogan, his wackier conspiracy and anti-science views are decreasing

He called the Charlottesville riot and the resulting murder of 3 people a "false flag operation." Fuck that guy.

Seriously? This is the same Joe Rogan that has a Netflix special?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 16, 2017, 05:20:34 PM
Much like Joe Rogan, his wackier conspiracy and anti-science views are decreasing

He called the Charlottesville riot and the resulting murder of 3 people a "false flag operation." Fuck that guy.

Seriously? This is the same Joe Rogan that has a Netflix special?

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm talking about Alex Jones, not Joe Rogan.

Rogan has been stepping back from the conspiracy nonsense, but AJ is still going full bore. Alex Jones said that the Nazis in Charlottesville were really Jewish "crisis actors."

http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-charlottesville-were-jewish-actors-dressed-discredit-white-supremacists-650718
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on August 18, 2017, 10:17:28 PM
As a matter of being factual, more people are paralysed by the polio vaccine than by polio (because the polio vaccine contains a live strain of polio)
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/06/28/534403083/mutant-strains-of-polio-vaccine-now-cause-more-paralysis-than-wild-polio

It should be up to the individual to decide if they are willing to take the chance. In areas with large polio outbreaks (or recent memories of outbreaks) I'm sure people will take the vaccine readily, when there is less chance of the disease and real (although low probability) side-effects, I would say it is the choice of the individual rather than the government.

Did you read the article? It states that the version given in the developed world is the dead version, not the attenuated live version. It tend to happen in war torn areas where the health care system has collapsed.  In addition, the WHO is trying to replace the live version with the dead version. I am also almost positive that I have seen Alex Jones speak against the WHO, which is trying to solve the problem.

Might want to watch what you post in the future because somebody might actually read the article.

The claim that Alex Jones made about paralysis being caused by a Polio virus is true, in fact the number of cases of paralysis exceed the cases of Polio paralysis.

Yeah, right now. You forgot to add the clause "now that everyone's vaccinated". It's more than a little important.

(Leaving aside what I assume is a typo that should refer to the polio vaccine.)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 19, 2017, 05:38:26 AM
Yeah, right now. You forgot to add the clause "now that everyone's vaccinated". It's more than a little important.

(Leaving aside what I assume is a typo that should refer to the polio vaccine.)

Yes, that was a typo and the reason why Alex Jones was correct is that everyone is vaccinated.

I'm pro-vaccination (I even take the flu vaccine, which seems to be one of the less effective vaccines) and I think Alex Jones says some of his craziest stuff around vaccination but if someone tries to debunk AJ by saying that he is factually wrong to say that more paralysis is caused by the vaccine than by contacting Polio directly when AJ is factually correct it is probably not the best approach.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 19, 2017, 06:51:23 AM
Yeah, right now. You forgot to add the clause "now that everyone's vaccinated". It's more than a little important.

(Leaving aside what I assume is a typo that should refer to the polio vaccine.)

Yes, that was a typo and the reason why Alex Jones was correct is that everyone is vaccinated.

I'm pro-vaccination (I even take the flu vaccine, which seems to be one of the less effective vaccines) and I think Alex Jones says some of his craziest stuff around vaccination but if someone tries to debunk AJ by saying that he is factually wrong to say that more paralysis is caused by the vaccine than by contacting Polio directly when AJ is factually correct it is probably not the best approach.

The problem is that he did not state that in some rare circumstances with a live vaccine in the Middle East and Africa. In his video, he made it sound like the United States. He also made it seem to be out of control while the WHO seems to have it under control.

That is being dishonest to me but apparently not to you?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on August 19, 2017, 06:57:11 AM
The problem is that he did not state that in some rare circumstances with a live vaccine in the Middle East and Africa. In his video, he made it sound like the United States. He also made it seem to be out of control while the WHO seems to have it under control.

That is being dishonest to me but apparently not to you?

I do think it is being dishonest. The ant-vax aspect of Alex Jones is one of the things that bothers me the most about him.

Most of his shtick is using an obscure headline or some story that is just under the radar of most people and connecting that to some nefarious globalist movement. I also find him very entertaining and think his contribution to the discussion around free speech and conservative ideals is important.

Anti-vax propganda and selling useless supplements are certainly not his most endearing traits but it is hardly the majority of what he does.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on August 19, 2017, 08:24:42 AM
It doesnt matter if its the majority of what he does.
If he only sold supplements with dishonest marketing- He would be unworthy of respect and promotion.

If he only circulated conspiracy theories (which have real world impact on real victims and lead to unstable people commiting crimes) then he would be objectionable enough to earn distain and boycotts.

If he only pushed anti vax rhetoric then he would be dangerous and irresponsible enough to warrant serious societal blow back.

But I get it. You like applauding for loud noises and his face is very funny and anywhere you can find promotion of conservative ideas is worth keeping around no matter how covered in shit they are.
I expect no less from you, but people who claim they only watch because he is 'hilarious' are playing right the fuck into his business model and providing incremental support that adds up to him staying in business and doing more harm.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 19, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
I do think it is being dishonest. The ant-vax aspect of Alex Jones is one of the things that bothers me the most about him.

So you admit he's dishonest. But it only bothers you when he's dishonest about vaccines?


Most of his shtick is using an obscure headline or some story that is just under the radar of most people and connecting that to some nefarious globalist movement.

So again you admit he's dishonest, that he picks obscure stories from questionable sources and then spins them into an outrageous false narrative. 


I also find him very entertaining and think his contribution to the discussion around free speech and conservative ideals is important.

You like him because there's no law against misleading the public for political purposes, and you find blatant lying "entertaining" and "important to conservative ideals." This goes a long way toward explaining why "conservative ideals" are so shockingly misinformed about so many things.


Anti-vax propganda and selling useless supplements are certainly not his most endearing traits but it is hardly the majority of what he does.

Misleading people for profit is the totality of what he does. Anti-vax scaremongering is a relatively small proportion of the sum total of his lies.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 19, 2017, 06:12:32 PM
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/conspiracy-monger-alex-jones-met-with-tepid-welcome-in-seattle-as-passer-by-dumps-coffee-on-him/
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Belgarath on August 19, 2017, 06:16:06 PM


Anti-vax propganda and selling useless supplements are certainly not his most endearing traits but it is hardly the majority of what he does.

Misleading people for profit is the totality of what he does. Anti-vax scaremongering is a relatively small proportion of the sum total of his lies.


Hardly the majority?

I've watched his show, every 15 minutes he hawks bullshit.  In between, about 90% of the time he's either a) Lying or b) Wildly speculating.....
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 19, 2017, 06:20:20 PM
Edit: Nevermind, there's the video.

I heard the guy's a local actor? 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 19, 2017, 06:26:05 PM
That explains why most of the videos of this on YouTube are on right-wing channels and carry headlines like, "Alt-Left Attacks Alex Jones in Seattle!" and "Alex Jones Attacked With Boiling Coffee On The Streets Of Seattle" and "Literal Goblin Creature Pours Coffee On Alex Jones."

I just edited my original post to remove the video. I don't want to give any more traffic to these sham YouTube channels.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on August 19, 2017, 06:35:15 PM
FALSE FLAG
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 19, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
I don't know. I don't believe that guy was hired by Alex Jones. Some musician friends of mine actually know him, and they're insisting he's a genuine lefty.

It's still funny to accuse Alex Jones of staging a false flag operation though!
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 19, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
I've watched his show, every 15 minutes he hawks bullshit.  In between, about 90% of the time he's either a) Lying or b) Wildly speculating.....

Don't forget that even if there is some sort of basis of his speculation, it is often presented as if somebody with secret knowledge told him just like Trump claimed during the election to know cops with all the magical answers to problems.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Belgarath on August 19, 2017, 10:26:39 PM
I've watched his show, every 15 minutes he hawks bullshit.  In between, about 90% of the time he's either a) Lying or b) Wildly speculating.....

Don't forget that even if there is some sort of basis of his speculation, it is often presented as if somebody with secret knowledge told him just like Trump claimed during the election to know cops with all the magical answers to problems.

That too.  With regard to 'boiling hot coffee,'  This is Seattle.  Seattle people have good coffee.  They don't drink 'boiling hot coffee' from McDonalds.....
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: aleks335 on August 24, 2017, 06:07:18 AM
Alex Jones buddy and InfoWars contributor Paul Joseph Watson has had all his videos demonetized by YouTube.
Promptly quits YouTube.
I guess he was only in it for the money anyways then....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8HJrr4-7B8
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on August 24, 2017, 01:38:14 PM
Alex Jones buddy and InfoWars contributor Paul Joseph Watson has had all his videos demonetized by YouTube.
Promptly quits YouTube.
I guess he was only in it for the money anyways then....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8HJrr4-7B8

 :'( R.I.P. counterculture warrior....
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on August 24, 2017, 06:50:59 PM
"Unmasking the Antifa - SJW Hysteria" by Millie Weaver "Millenial Millie" at Info Wars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEz9yRuQQSQ

also posted on the Alex Jones Youtube channel:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on August 24, 2017, 07:50:19 PM
"Liberals Get Violently Triggered At Anti-Trump Rally Over Kekistan Meme" from Jake Lloyd at Info Wars

BTW, the name seems to be a bit of a misnomer; I didn't see any violence in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxcoEB3YqtM

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 27, 2017, 07:36:11 AM
The headline says all I could say

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/08/23/joe-arpaio-thanks-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-getting-his-story-donald-trump-who-reportedly/217740

Joe Arpaio thanks conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for getting his story to Donald Trump, who is reportedly poised to pardon the former sheriff

Former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio appeared on conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ show to thank Jones, his staff, and Roger Stone for influencing President Donald Trump into potentially issuing Arpaio a pardon following his recent criminal conviction.

A U.S. District Court judge convicted Arpaio of criminal contempt of court in July. He faces up to six months in jail for his refusal to comply with a court order that said he could no longer direct the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office to engage in racially discriminatory practices against Latinos. Arpaio was defeated in his re-election bid for a seventh term in November.

CNN.com reported today that “the White House has prepared the paperwork for President Trump to pardon former sheriff Joe Arpaio when he makes the final decision to do so.” During an August 22 rally in Arpaio’s home state of Arizona, Trump suggested a pardon was imminent, telling the crowd, "I’ll make a prediction: I think he’s going to be just fine. Okay? But I won’t do it tonight because I don’t want to cause any controversy. Is that okay? All right? But Sheriff Joe can feel good."
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: xenu on August 27, 2017, 04:24:16 PM
So Joe has his pardon but still a conviction on his record correct?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on August 27, 2017, 04:52:45 PM
So Joe has his pardon but still a conviction on his record correct?
Quote
Does a presidential pardon expunge or erase the conviction for which the pardon was granted?

No.  Expungement is a judicial remedy that is rarely granted by the court and cannot be granted within the Department of Justice or by the President.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-concerning-executive-clemency#18

That seems to be correct.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Sawyer on August 27, 2017, 05:28:27 PM
"Liberals Get Violently Triggered At Anti-Trump Rally Over Kekistan Meme" from Jake Lloyd at Info Wars

BTW, the name seems to be a bit of a misnomer; I didn't see any violence in the video.

(click to show/hide)

I predict in 500 years there will be a new word in the English language, "libtriger".  I also predict it will eventually come to mean something along the lines of "having sensible and normal reaction to an awful situation".

Or maybe "esjadubyootrig".
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on September 02, 2017, 12:23:58 AM
"Liberals Get Violently Triggered At Anti-Trump Rally Over Kekistan Meme" from Jake Lloyd at Info Wars

BTW, the name seems to be a bit of a misnomer; I didn't see any violence in the video.

(click to show/hide)

I predict in 500 years there will be a new word in the English language, "libtriger".  I also predict it will eventually come to mean something along the lines of "having sensible and normal reaction to an awful situation".

Or maybe "esjadubyootrig".

doubleplusungood
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on September 02, 2017, 08:30:26 AM
This is the reason why Alex Jones is so popular (he is super entertaining and has a sense of humour) as well as expressing contrarian points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni9U5TKoiAk
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on September 02, 2017, 02:00:13 PM
The fact that you feel you have to keep saying he is super funny actually means he isn't funny and you deep down know it. Sad. Reminds of that kid in high school who had to keep telling us his joke was super funny...
Honestly though, everything he says about Glenn Beck is oddly applicable to himself. Really at the end of the day though if making fun of people is what you consider funny it really says a lot more about you. He didn't make an observation once, didn't float a concept or find irony in anything. He just went for playground ridicule of words and behavior that weren't actually funny unless you were predisposed to think the targeted person was less than you. At least the "lefty" political humor people find the irony and hypocrisy in their targets. I suppose though if you think Clinton feeling grossed out by a pile of limp machismo stalking her to be ridiculous then that might give you a chuckle. Maybe that's the divide here, maybe you guys see Trump as the pinnacle of manhood and his behavior as a virtue to extol?

What is the real attraction though? Is it just liberal tears? You can't honestly be on skeptics board and think Jones is "just entertainment."

We need a thread where someone can explain to me the attraction of 10th grade humor in adults
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on September 02, 2017, 02:51:13 PM
If it were just humour, there are hundreds of coarse, offensive and hilarious comedians that would be enjoying Jones success.
Its clearly an attraction to the fantasy he sells. Both in the actual lies he tells (from which you can pick and choose what sounds plausible to you and what is "clearly" just trolling/hyperbole/performance) and in the fantasy of a strong right and lily livered lefties clutching pearls and destroying society.
As we saw with Trump, you dont even have to be terribly bright to make this work. Just give people enough of a space to inject ingenious motives behind your drivel.

There are people who watch his show and disagree with him but do think his schtick is hilarious in a way he didnt initially intend but my estimation of those people still drops tbh because it all adds up to keeping him profitable. He doesnt care why you watch and you are falling for his shit.

I agree. Thinking his jokes are actually funny is just a sad commentary on the person who laughs.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on September 03, 2017, 07:35:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLUIXWnrC0
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on September 05, 2017, 12:31:29 AM
Ahistorical, cherry picking drivel.
I'll take the Kardashians as pop culture over a rigid and oppressed society that has its pious leaders diddling children in Vatican bed chambers. It's never been any different, only the source of moral panic shifts. This years "marixists" are the new protestants.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: aleks335 on September 05, 2017, 03:26:01 AM
This vid proves what I have been assuming; people who today use the term "cultural marxist" has never even read anything other than the conspiracy theory version of what it means and what the Frankfurter School was.
I don't like this version of Marxism, and the Frankfurter Schools view of popular culture is wrong, useless and frankly kind of stupid. Ironically it happens to be almost exactly the same view that this info wars douche nozzle has. Utter contempt for almost all aspects of popular culture. fucking Adorno even hated jazz. 
Take out references of marxism in this video and replace with something like "the power of Captial to keep the working classes docile and forever only engaged in consumption" and you would have some frankfurter school bullshit on steroids.   
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 07, 2017, 05:13:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2017, 05:29:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404
Legend.
That kid has a bright future!
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 07, 2017, 05:33:30 PM
When is calling somebody an idiot consider foul language?
Edit: Nevermind, didn't hear the "fucking." Still mild as hell to me.

As well, have the people at info wars ever seen Alex Jones rant?
Compared to him, she is the soul of politeness.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2017, 05:37:51 PM
I feel like the host felt he came out on top? Like that was a response he wanted or something?
I mean...he is clearly a fucking idiot or just dead inside but I got the sense he wasnt genuinely looking for peoples opinions.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 07, 2017, 05:41:40 PM
I feel like the host felt he came out on top? Like that was a response he wanted or something?
I mean...he is clearly a fucking idiot or just dead inside but I got the sense he wasnt genuinely looking for peoples opinions.

When Fox News interviews somebody on the other side, they don't actually want their opinions. Info Wars is several steps down from Fox News.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: aleks335 on September 07, 2017, 07:07:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404
Legend.
That kid has a bright future!
Agreed. This brought a smile to my face and warmth to my heart.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on September 09, 2017, 05:25:53 PM
(https://hugelolcdn.com/i/467133.jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: JuniorSpaceman on September 09, 2017, 07:48:47 PM
(https://hugelolcdn.com/i/467133.jpg)
I genuinely can't tell if this was made by someone who loves or hates AJ.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 09, 2017, 09:27:43 PM
Glad I am not the only one confused by it
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 09, 2017, 09:32:25 PM
What a nice guy Alex Jones is

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/some-thug-woman-alex-jones-goes-ballistic-on-young-girl-who-mocked-his-infowars-reporter/

‘Some thug woman!’ Alex Jones goes ballistic on young girl who mocked his Infowars reporter

Conspiracy website Infowars is escalating the site’s ongoing battle with a young girl.

It started when Infowars reporter Owen Shroyer was called, “a f*cking idiot” by the girl as he randomly spoke to passersby in an Austin park.

Shroyer went on to call the girl a “vitriolic, petulant child that has no discipline.”

Now Alex Jones is attacking the girl who dared to question the intelligence of an Infowars reporter.

“On his show today, Alex Jones came to his employee’s defense, saying the girl sounded like ‘John Belushi on PCP’ and ‘acts basically like some thug woman'” Media Matters reported.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on September 10, 2017, 05:07:00 AM
The young girl was quite rude and yelling - "John Belushi on PCP" is hyperbolic but then that's Alex Jones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpaLJ9IOe8w
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: DoubleScotchWhiskey on September 10, 2017, 07:51:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404

Both sides are pathetic.  Yelling names is called ad-hominem and is not an argument.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 10, 2017, 07:53:43 AM
The young girl was quite rude and yelling - "John Belushi on PCP" is hyperbolic but then that's Alex Jones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpaLJ9IOe8w

She only called the reporter a fucking idea in not even a particularly loud voice and Alex Jones goes on a fucked up rant and you are defending Alex Jones?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on September 10, 2017, 08:26:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404

Both sides are pathetic.  Yelling names is called ad-hominem and is not an argument.

Both sides? 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: DoubleScotchWhiskey on September 10, 2017, 08:30:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404

Both sides are pathetic.  Yelling names is called ad-hominem and is not an argument.

Both sides?

Yes.  Neither side makes an argument.  It's just baiting and name calling and yelling.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 10, 2017, 08:36:27 AM
Yes.  Neither side makes an argument.  It's just baiting and name calling and yelling.

If you are interviewed by somebody you consider an asshole and call them a "Fucking Idiot," do you really expect them to then go on  an extended tirade against you? No, it is blowing a comparatively minor comment way out of proportion.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on September 10, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404

Both sides are pathetic.  Yelling names is called ad-hominem and is not an argument.

Both sides?

Yes.  Neither side makes an argument.  It's just baiting and name calling and yelling.

This was not a debate, no argument need be made.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on September 10, 2017, 09:44:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404

Both sides are pathetic.  Yelling names is called ad-hominem and is not an argument.

Both sides?

Yes.  Neither side makes an argument.  It's just baiting and name calling and yelling.

This was not a debate, no argument need be made.
I would also posit that she was following the principle of charity in assuming he is a fucking idiot as opposed to an amoral media parasite with no respect for the truth or his audience.
Because to work for Alex Jones in such a capacity you must be one or the other.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on September 10, 2017, 10:22:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404

Both sides are pathetic.  Yelling names is called ad-hominem and is not an argument.

Both sides?

Yes.  Neither side makes an argument.  It's just baiting and name calling and yelling.

She is not a side.  She is someone who got ambushed, and now she is being censored by right wing media for expressing her opinion. 

Maybe she didn't want to be interviewed, and this guy wouldn't leave her alone.  Who knows what her beef was.  Doesn't matter because she expressed herself, but the right can't have that. 

This both sides bullshit is a thought terminating cliche used to excuse the worst kinds of behavior by Nazis, authoritarians, conspiracy theorists, and ither fringe elements who can not defend their position on its merits.  They can only shit on other poisitons and hope that dumbasses make an erroneous equivalency.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 10, 2017, 06:39:54 PM
I'm guessing she called him a "fucking idiot" because he addressed her as "young man."

The "both sides" argument is disingenuous. Some ideologies merit nothing more than mockery.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 10, 2017, 06:44:23 PM
This kind of childish nonsense doesn't deserve to be addressed seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxlKrOAwU6o

This man is the epitome of a "fucking idiot."
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 10, 2017, 07:03:12 PM
At least that is a "Back Away Slowly" situation
Edit: I am responding to Alex Jones' impressions here not the girl. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: aleks335 on September 10, 2017, 07:58:32 PM
Oh come on, she is a kid.   
It is completely unacetable for anyone to attack her in any way. InfoWars should either take this with humor, or not release the clip. unleashing the whole fucking alt-right online gang of assholes on a kid is fucking despicable. There is clearly limit to how low these people will go. Fuck them all.

And if you wanna do some "both sides" kind of dance with a 12 year old who gets ambushed by a camera team on the street. the fuck you too you fucking fuck.   
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on September 10, 2017, 08:52:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3Qj-VCnco
http://www.avclub.com/watch-a-kid-call-an-infowars-host-a-fucking-idiot-1801901675?rev=1504800451404

Both sides are pathetic.  Yelling names is called ad-hominem and is not an argument.
Oh boy you're going to be fun to have around here...
I see why the alt-right is so anti-women now though.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on September 11, 2017, 07:41:20 AM
I love how this discussion actually reflects on AJ: Alex Jones henchman versus random 12 year old girl on the street. Both sides equally pathetic?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: xenu on September 12, 2017, 07:07:57 PM
The show isn't live TV right? He didn't have to release it. Alex did it on purpose just so he could push his little narrative. Feeling intimidated by a 12 yr old? Granted if it was my daughter I would have a word with her about her language.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 12, 2017, 07:42:48 PM
She said she heard it from her mom.

I don't find that little girl "pathetic" at all. I think it's kind of commendable that she stood up against some self-important adults on the street harassing random passersby with a movie crew.

If it was a legit news agency they would have approached the situation very differently, and if a kid swore at them it would have been a non-issue because (as xenu said) they never would have aired it.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on September 12, 2017, 07:47:06 PM
I love how this discussion actually reflects on AJ: Alex Jones henchman versus random 12 year old girl on the street. Both sides equally pathetic?

It was a protest and the reporter just greeted her. If you attend a protest then you should be able to discuss the reasons why you are there.

There seems to be this general "don't engage" mindset or yelling profanity, neither of those approaches will change minds nor are they designed to, which makes you ask the question why are they protesting?

InfoWars are trying to show badly behaved protesters, of course they will show being yelled at.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on September 12, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
BUT GUYS ALEX HAS A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR!!1!1!!
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on September 12, 2017, 08:05:08 PM
BUT GUYS ALEX HAS A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR!!1!1!!

True.
(http://cdn-media-1.lifehack.org/wp-content/files/2013/06/If-you-want-to-tell-people-the-truth-make-them-laugh-otherwise-they-will-kill-you..jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 12, 2017, 08:11:10 PM
It was a protest and the reporter just greeted her.

Greeted her by misgendering her as a boy.


If you attend a protest then you should be able to discuss the reasons why you are there.

Being "able" to discuss and willing to discuss are two different things. Nobody is obliged to talk to a news crew. And that kid did not look like a protester to me.
 

There seems to be this general "don't engage" mindset or yelling profanity

When approached by an obnoxious, dishonest hack outfit like Infowars, you're better off not giving them any information at all because they're likely to misrepresent it anyway.


neither of those approaches will change minds nor are they designed to

The flip-off is intended to demonstrate contempt, a tactic which worked exceptionally well in this case.


InfoWars are trying to show badly behaved protesters, of course they will show being yelled at.

Infowars goes on the street to be obnoxious and provoke a fight. They deserve no better than contempt and mockery.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on September 13, 2017, 01:02:29 AM
BUT GUYS ALEX HAS A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR!!1!1!!

True.
(http://cdn-media-1.lifehack.org/wp-content/files/2013/06/If-you-want-to-tell-people-the-truth-make-them-laugh-otherwise-they-will-kill-you..jpg)
Our posting time was a coincidence, you made my callback less funny. Damn you.
That said, the fact you think Alex Jones is telling the truth more or less cinches my view that you're a sockpuppet trolling this forum... again.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on September 13, 2017, 04:43:35 AM
I thought Alex Jones was just a comedian providing entertaining rants for people?
What is he telling the truth about?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: aleks335 on September 13, 2017, 05:05:18 AM
I love how this discussion actually reflects on AJ: Alex Jones henchman versus random 12 year old girl on the street. Both sides equally pathetic?

It was a protest and the reporter just greeted her. If you attend a protest then you should be able to discuss the reasons why you are there.

There seems to be this general "don't engage" mindset or yelling profanity, neither of those approaches will change minds nor are they designed to, which makes you ask the question why are they protesting?

InfoWars are trying to show badly behaved protesters, of course they will show being yelled at.

Dude! She is a kid. You can't seriously think what AJ and InfoWars did here was okay?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 13, 2017, 05:34:25 AM
I thought Alex Jones was just a comedian providing entertaining rants for people?

A comedian who's  "dishonest" but "entertaining" and whose "contribution to the discussion around free speech and conservative ideals is important."

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: DoubleScotchWhiskey on September 13, 2017, 10:37:39 PM
I love how this discussion actually reflects on AJ: Alex Jones henchman versus random 12 year old girl on the street. Both sides equally pathetic?

It was a protest and the reporter just greeted her. If you attend a protest then you should be able to discuss the reasons why you are there.

There seems to be this general "don't engage" mindset or yelling profanity, neither of those approaches will change minds nor are they designed to, which makes you ask the question why are they protesting?

InfoWars are trying to show badly behaved protesters, of course they will show being yelled at.

Dude! She is a kid. You can't seriously think what AJ and InfoWars did here was okay?

Why are kids at protests anyway?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on September 13, 2017, 10:54:47 PM
Attempting a new tatic to justify AJ?

Typical righty.  Always trying to take down the first amendment.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: DoubleScotchWhiskey on September 13, 2017, 10:58:20 PM
Attempting a new tatic to justify AJ?

Typical righty.  Always trying to take down the first amendment.

If someone is at a protest, then I don't see why they can't be asked a question.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on September 13, 2017, 11:11:10 PM
Reading comprehension is fundamental.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on September 13, 2017, 11:39:14 PM
Dude! She is a kid. You can't seriously think what AJ and InfoWars did here was okay?

She was greeted and then swore at and flipped off the reporter.

I understand why people don't want to talk to AJ because of fear of being taken out of context but that fear is unfounded, AJ puts up hours of footage and very rarely edits interviews.

Reporters have the right to ask protestors questions or even people walking near a protest to get their opinion. AJ is trying to engage with the protestors in good faith, you may diagree with some of his views but his reporter here was polite and appropriate.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 14, 2017, 12:13:14 AM
Why are kids at protests anyway?

Because they will inherit the Earth after us if conservatives don't succeed in making it uninhabitable.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on September 14, 2017, 10:37:45 AM
I love how all the Conspiracy Nutters are all bothered about a thing that's not even happening.

Par for the course I guess.

"If someone is at a protest, then I don't see why they can't be asked a question."

No one is saying that he doesn't have the right to ask her questions.  Calling Jones a bully and irresponsible asshole for trying to make her response go viral is not saying he doesn't have the right to ask questions. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on September 14, 2017, 01:42:56 PM
Dude! She is a kid. You can't seriously think what AJ and InfoWars did here was okay?

She was greeted and then swore at and flipped off the reporter.

I understand why people don't want to talk to AJ because of fear of being taken out of context but that fear is unfounded, AJ puts up hours of footage and very rarely edits interviews.

Reporters have the right to ask protestors questions or even people walking near a protest to get their opinion. AJ is trying to engage with the protestors in good faith, you may diagree with some of his views but his reporter here was polite and appropriate.
Your concern trolling works better when you actually pay attention. It was more about his snowflake response. The alt-right would crumble without their victimhood status.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: aleks335 on September 14, 2017, 03:54:36 PM
Dude! She is a kid. You can't seriously think what AJ and InfoWars did here was okay?

She was greeted and then swore at and flipped off the reporter.

I understand why people don't want to talk to AJ because of fear of being taken out of context but that fear is unfounded, AJ puts up hours of footage and very rarely edits interviews.

Reporters have the right to ask protestors questions or even people walking near a protest to get their opinion. AJ is trying to engage with the protestors in good faith, you may diagree with some of his views but his reporter here was polite and appropriate.

Ill take that as a no.
You, and the people like you are morally and ethically corrupted.
ill keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on September 14, 2017, 06:51:56 PM
Dude! She is a kid. You can't seriously think what AJ and InfoWars did here was okay?

She was greeted and then swore at and flipped off the reporter.

You have a tendency to leave out key bits of information in this thread. Like how she was greeted as a little boy. Given that she's obviously a girl, I think calling him a fucking idiot is pretty much right on the money. Flipping him off was just a bonus. AJ then whining about it would mostly just be hilarious if it wasn't for the fact that there are some ridiculous creatures out there who actually take him seriously.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 14, 2017, 07:07:14 PM
Dude! She is a kid. You can't seriously think what AJ and InfoWars did here was okay?

She was greeted and then swore at and flipped off the reporter.

You have a tendency to leave out key bits of information in this thread. Like how she was greeted as a little boy. Given that she's obviously a girl, I think calling him a fucking idiot is pretty much right on the money. Flipping him off was just a bonus. AJ then whining about it would mostly just be hilarious if it wasn't for the fact that there are some ridiculous creatures out there who actually take him seriously.

Like Donald Trump?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 14, 2017, 07:16:16 PM
Reporters have a right to go out on the street and try to strike up conversations with random people, and those people also have the right to tell the reporters to fuck off.  See how that works? It's a quite an elegant system.

And yes, our own president is known to take the rantings of professional frothy conspiracy mongers at face value. I remember thinking it outrageous when the Reagans retained a fortune teller as a personal advisor, but this is something else entirely.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: xenu on September 15, 2017, 12:20:58 AM

........I remember thinking it outrageous when the Reagans retained a fortune teller as a personal advisor, but this is something else entirely.

Ahh simpler times
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Oh Henry on October 31, 2017, 11:41:43 AM
High Lead Levels Found in Two InfoWars Supplements

https://gizmodo.com/drink-up-high-lead-levels-found-in-two-infowars-supple-1819630985 (https://gizmodo.com/drink-up-high-lead-levels-found-in-two-infowars-supple-1819630985)

Which came first... the crazy, or the drinking of lead?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on October 31, 2017, 11:42:46 AM
High Lead Levels Found in Two InfoWars Supplements

https://gizmodo.com/drink-up-high-lead-levels-found-in-two-infowars-supple-1819630985 (https://gizmodo.com/drink-up-high-lead-levels-found-in-two-infowars-supple-1819630985)

Which came first... the crazy, or the drinking of lead?

Lead is fine. It's the fluoride you really have to watch.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on October 31, 2017, 01:21:07 PM
As soon as I read this:
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According to the CEH, which purchased the samples tested directly from the InfoWars online shop, “People who take the Myco-ZX product would ingest more than six times the daily limit for lead under California law.” Those taking Caveman True Paleo would ingest twice the Californian daily lead limit.

I saw this coming:
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Since publication of the CEH study showing potentially dangerous levels of lead in two of the company’s supplements, it seems Infowars has taken the liberty of deleting the articles we linked to which showed Infowars had relied on CEH’s findings in the past as a basis for articles. (We’ve replaced those broken links with cached versions.)

Both links now redirect to an explanatory post on the nature of California’s Prop 65 warnings—with a considerable amount of (typo-riddled) text devoted to explaining the proposition’s harsh restrictions on lead contamination:

The Proposition 65 limit of 0.5 mcg / day for lead is far below the amount of lead found naturally in the ingredients and food around you that growns (sic) on clean, non-contaminated soils. Various countries and safety organizations have reviewed known studies and science to produce guidelines on the levels of heavy metals that can be consumed dailiy (sic) without causing harm that take that fact into account.
Title: HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
Post by: John Albert on October 31, 2017, 09:21:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbRJt6iKCc8
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on October 31, 2017, 10:44:22 PM
Alex Jones has predicted Hollywood coverup of pedophiles for years, as can be seen by the Kevin Spacey situation:

https://www.infowars.com/as-we-predicted-mainstream-media-trying-to-normalize-pedophilia/
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on November 01, 2017, 01:33:47 AM
Alex Jones has predicted Hollywood coverup of pedophiles for years, as can be seen by the Kevin Spacey situation:

https://www.infowars.com/as-we-predicted-mainstream-media-trying-to-normalize-pedophilia/
you are seriously retarded
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on November 01, 2017, 01:44:44 AM
Alex Jones has predicted Hollywood coverup of pedophiles for years, as can be seen by the Kevin Spacey situation:

https://www.infowars.com/as-we-predicted-mainstream-media-trying-to-normalize-pedophilia/

you are seriously retarded

He's accused nearly everybody in the world of being a pedophile at some point his career. The law of averages says he eventually must be right about at least a one of them.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on November 01, 2017, 07:05:33 AM
Seems like it was fairly well known:

https://www.infowars.com/family-guy-joked-about-kevin-spacey-pedophilia-in-2005/

As was the Harvey Weinstein issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UImqNadPIpk

Seems like it was something else widely known and Alex Jones has been calling lots of powerful people pedophiles for a long time.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on November 01, 2017, 09:22:27 AM
Alex Jones has predicted Hollywood coverup of pedophiles for years, as can be seen by the Kevin Spacey situation:

https://www.infowars.com/as-we-predicted-mainstream-media-trying-to-normalize-pedophilia/

Am I imagining that Hollywood produced the movie "Spotlight?"
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on November 01, 2017, 09:32:02 AM
Seth McFarlane joked, and nobody listened.  :'(
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on November 01, 2017, 10:30:41 AM
Using media matters so that Jones does not get the ad revenue

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/10/31/alex-jones-there-plot-install-robert-mueller-first-king-america/218401

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Alex Jones: There is a plot to install Robert Mueller as “the first king of America”

Jones: “Robert Mueller is attempting to kill the republic”
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on November 01, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
A blind pig occasionally finds a truffle. I can't believe you guys actually respond to his trolling as if he's sincere...
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on November 06, 2017, 07:12:36 PM
TEXAS SHOOTER LIKED ATHEIST FACEBOOK PAGES & SJW CAUSES

https://www.infowars.com/texas-shooter-liked-atheist-fb-pages-sjw-causes/
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on November 14, 2017, 08:30:47 AM
https://www.infowars.com/nobodys-going-to-stop-me-corey-feldman-says-hell-release-every-name-of-hollywood-pedos/

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“How prevalent is what you’re talking about in Hollywood today?” Lauer asks.

“I believe there’s a lot of darkness in Hollywood right now, and I believe it’s been there for quite sometime and as we’ve seen with the Harvey Weinstein scandal, it continues to unfold. New names come forward every day. Now there’s names of misconduct with Kevin Spacey, with this child actor who came forward today,” Feldman states.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on November 14, 2017, 03:18:13 PM
YOUNG MOTHER IN CALIFORNIA THREATENED WITH ARREST AT A BUS STOP FOR NOT VACCINATING HER CHILDREN

https://www.infowars.com/young-mother-in-california-threatened-with-arrest-at-a-bus-stop-for-not-vaccinating-her-children/
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on November 14, 2017, 03:33:14 PM
One note is that if you can find other sources that have the same thing - say Right Wing Watch - might be better to link to them so not to give Jones ad revenue.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 04, 2017, 06:37:04 AM
Alex Jones vs The View

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkQs0pp8_w8

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on December 04, 2017, 08:14:11 AM
One note is that if you can find other sources that have the same thing - say Right Wing Watch - might be better to link to them so not to give Jones ad revenue.
This thread only exists to push revenue to Alex Jones at this point.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 04, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
One note is that if you can find other sources that have the same thing - say Right Wing Watch - might be better to link to them so not to give Jones ad revenue.
This thread only exists to push revenue to Alex Jones at this point.

Alex Jones sells products directly to his viewers and does not have any ad revenue (as far as I'm aware). This was a conscious decision and a prescient one given the recent demonetisation of videos with any controversial topics (secular talk, sargon etc.).
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Sawyer on December 05, 2017, 01:24:34 AM
PDB is right, I'm sure over the past decade Alex Jones has never been able to leverage millions of clicks to his websites or youtube videos into increased revenue in any way.  It's not like anyone that buys stuff from his website would be more likely to visit it if it had inflated web traffic.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 05, 2017, 01:34:51 AM
PDB is right, I'm sure over the past decade Alex Jones has never been able to leverage millions of clicks to his websites or youtube videos into increased revenue in any way.  It's not like anyone that buys stuff from his website would be more likely to visit it if it had inflated web traffic.

A few clicks give Alex Jones no direct revenue at all. There are ways to buy inflated views through bots or literally paying people in computer farms to endlessly click on links. Even 100,000 views will make no noticeable increase at all. Would you buy his nutrimetics if there were a few million more viewers?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Sawyer on December 05, 2017, 10:57:00 AM
So now you want me to explain how search engines and social media work, along with their influence on web browsing habits of supplement-taking/survivalist/right-wing nutjob consumers?  I suppose that could be an interesting topic, but this is beginning to feel like yet another one of your purposeful derailments of a thread that you find inconvenient to your worldview.

I should really stop falling for this.   :-[
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on December 05, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
Yeah, I for one am going to avoid hot-linking any YouTube content by Alex Jones, right along with all the other dipshits who use that service to promote dangerous idiocy.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 06, 2017, 05:02:17 AM
Here's some secular talk discussing Alex Jones with his
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Liberal Lesbians ‘Wanna Eat Your Brain’ & ‘Torture You’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJaev2xCuYo
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on December 06, 2017, 07:02:42 AM
Seriously does it not strike anyone else as maybe a bad look for an SGU fansite to have a thread dedicated to promoting Alex Jones videos?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on December 06, 2017, 07:49:20 AM
Seriously does it not strike anyone else as maybe a bad look for an SGU fansite to have a thread dedicated to promoting Alex Jones videos?

It does at least tell us the credibility of a certain poster
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on December 06, 2017, 10:56:30 AM
Seriously does it not strike anyone else as maybe a bad look for an SGU fansite to have a thread dedicated to promoting Alex Jones videos?
To be fair, everyone except one poster ridicules it. I'm fascinated by Jones's followers, however, I only need to watch one of his rage episodes to understand them all. His appeal really is boring and for the simple minded.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on December 06, 2017, 11:30:16 AM
Seriously does it not strike anyone else as maybe a bad look for an SGU fansite to have a thread dedicated to promoting Alex Jones videos?
Meh. We get all sorts of cranks promoting their pet BS in specific threads here.
As long as we dont allow it to seem like its endorsed by the community as a whole I think any reasonable person would understand.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on December 06, 2017, 11:51:53 AM
I think it's right in keeping with a skeptical forum, to post stupid crap and then proceed to tear it to sheds with our relentless critical thinking.  ;)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on December 06, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
I think it's right in keeping with a skeptical forum, to post stupid crap and then proceed to tear it to sheds with our relentless critical thinking.  ;)

Yeah but that would mean clicking each video to look at the content, which would give him more clicks, which contributes to his reach w/r/t advertisers, and none of the debunking would change anything.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on December 06, 2017, 03:38:53 PM
I think it's right in keeping with a skeptical forum, to post stupid crap and then proceed to tear it to sheds with our relentless critical thinking.  ;)

Yeah but that would mean clicking each video to look at the content, which would give him more clicks, which contributes to his reach w/r/t advertisers, and none of the debunking would change anything.
Oh fuck no. I hope nobody is clicking those links?!
We know more than enough about Jones to know he is utter trash as a source and anyone who watches him for 'entertainment' is part of the problem.
But we dont need to read every crackpot physics manifesto to be able to debunk the cranks presenting them at a basic level.
I'm open to being convinced though, would you have an alternative idea in mind or were you just making an idle comment in general?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on December 06, 2017, 07:32:41 PM
These videos aren't all posted by Alex Jones himself though.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on December 06, 2017, 08:01:25 PM
These videos aren't posted by Alex Jones himself though.
Duh, the lizard people post it for him.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 06, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
The last video was from Secular Talk which is part of the TYT network - so it is unlikely they are connected in anyway. Unless you really believe that Alex Jones is staged opposition.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on December 06, 2017, 10:16:59 PM
I think it's right in keeping with a skeptical forum, to post stupid crap and then proceed to tear it to sheds with our relentless critical thinking.  ;)

Yeah but that would mean clicking each video to look at the content, which would give him more clicks, which contributes to his reach w/r/t advertisers, and none of the debunking would change anything.
Oh fuck no. I hope nobody is clicking those links?!
We know more than enough about Jones to know he is utter trash as a source and anyone who watches him for 'entertainment' is part of the problem.
But we dont need to read every crackpot physics manifesto to be able to debunk the cranks presenting them at a basic level.
I'm open to being convinced though, would you have an alternative idea in mind or were you just making an idle comment in general?
Responding to the basic issue of debunking an ongoing phenomenon.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on December 06, 2017, 11:15:30 PM
Would you buy his nutrimetics if there were a few million more viewers?

Are you accustom to dealing with people who find shit like this persuasive? 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 07, 2017, 12:05:36 AM
Would you buy his nutrimetics if there were a few million more viewers?

Are you accustom to dealing with people who find shit like this persuasive?

The idea that a few extra views would have any impact makes me think that anyone that believes that argument really doesn't want to engage with the subject matter rather than having a principled objection to viewing a video. If you are that concerned, all of the more unhinged statements are on Right Wing Watch:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-compares-morning-joe-hosts-to-demons-impersonates-a-demonic-mika-brzezinski/
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Alex Jones, the nutritional supplement salesman who created Infowars, compared the hosts of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” to demonic aliens in the Netflix series “Stranger Things” and performed a demonic impression of co-host Mika Brzezinski.

Today, Jones said that co-hosts Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough were “parasites” who “will be removed” once Jones and his followers save America from the globalists.

“They’re both like horrible foot-long tapeworms, man. I’m telling you. Tapeworms that we vomited out and crapped out and they’re just trying to force-feed themselves back into our lives. They’re like gonorrhea or syphilis, I mean they are just—they’re like HIV. They’re like cancer. They are just—I mean you have to understand, folks, they literally want to destroy you,” Jones said. ”God, they’re evil. Do you realize how evil these people are?”

He then homed in on Brzezinski, claiming that people who have been at dinner parties with the duo have told him “she is just so evil and so into herself like her evil father that she just sits there and goes—“

Jones then interrupted himself and performed a demonic impression on Brzezinski, sticking out his tongue and rolling the eyes into the back of his head, making gargling noises and convulsing.

“They’re like from upside-down world, folks. You have to understand. They’ve broken into this dimension. They want to destroy us,” Jones said.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-impersonates-a-liberal-lesbian-brain-eating-dominatrix/
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“Most of these butch lesbians, they want to be the guy smacking the hot chick around. They think that’s manly. And a lot of the chicks, they like it, see, because no man will do that to them, and I’m not saying it’s good if a man does that, but some women like it. And if they can’t find a man to smack them around, well they found them a girl gonna do it real good—knock them upside their head and have ‘50 Shades of Grey’ about the sexy rich guy that’s going to chain you up,” Jones said.

Jones then proceeded to describe what happens after a liberal lesbian dominatrix chains someone up.

“Of course, you’re gonna go get chained up one time. They’re gonna put that devil mask or that piggy mask on. They’re gonna say, ‘Now I’m gonna torture you for about six weeks, so start begging for your mommy and your daddy.’ That’s the liberals. They want to get you in a dungeon. They want to strap you down and take a buzz saw and cut the top of your head off like a pumpkin and pull it off and get a little spoon and go, when you’re looking in the mirror—this is one thing I know they like to do—they go ‘I’m going to eat your brain now.’”

Jones then devolved into an impression of his imagined liberal lesbian dominatrix torturing a captor that is difficult to explain.

“Let’s start at the side areas here, because we don’t want to take away your sight at the back or your thinking in the front. I’m gonna eat your cerebral cortex last,” Jones said, beginning to scream in his studio.

“I’ve got power. I love Satan,” Jones yelled, growing louder and louder. “And I’m gonna suck you dry and I’m going to torture you to death. And you’re going to follow my liberal orders, and you’re going to talk like I talk, and you’re going to be guilty when I say you’re guilty. And you’re gonna bow to me.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-trump-has-publicly-addressed-information-ive-given-him-word-for-word/
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“I have personally witnessed it at least five or six times, where I’ve directly told the president about something, he says, ‘I’ve written it down. I’m going to look into it. Are you sure that’s right, Alex?’ and I’m like, ‘Yes sir.’ And then days later, word-for-word, he researches it, he comes out, and he addresses it,” Jones said.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on December 07, 2017, 12:17:09 AM
Is this what you think we do? 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on December 07, 2017, 05:38:31 AM
The last video was from Secular Talk which is part of the TYT network - so it is unlikely they are connected in anyway. Unless you really believe that Alex Jones is staged opposition.

I'm not a fan of TYT but I don't really mind feeding them the clicks, as opposed to Alex Jones.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: SkeptiQueer on December 07, 2017, 06:41:21 AM
The last video was from Secular Talk which is part of the TYT network - so it is unlikely they are connected in anyway. Unless you really believe that Alex Jones is staged opposition.

I'm not a fan of TYT but I don't really mind feeding them the clicks, as opposed to Alex Jones.
Am I an idiot? I can't tell where a video was published, whether it's YouTube monetized, or even see the title until I click it and the YouTube app opens. That's (I'm) why a lot of the real nuts and toxic trolls have switched from webpages that can be archived and accessed without increasing the ad profile to videos. Also means you have to watch it several times to do any debunking, and no sources need to be given.

In short unless someone comes asking for a thing to be debunked in earnest, I don't think you can do an effective refutation of video like you could back in the days of GeoCities.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on December 07, 2017, 05:17:38 PM
I do wonder if it might be best to see if we can get Alex Jones committed  :P
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on December 07, 2017, 05:39:24 PM
I do wonder if it might be best to see if we can get Alex Jones committed  :P
He's got to be due a heart attack soon right?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 07, 2017, 05:56:42 PM
I do wonder if it might be best to see if we can get Alex Jones committed  :P
He's got to be due a heart attack soon right?

Alex Jones thinks that Andrew Breitbart’s heart attack was foul play. If a similar event happens to Jones it will energise the conservative base.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on December 08, 2017, 11:57:37 PM
Jones's conspiracy are mostly related to NWO and the shadow corporations & government. Exaggeration seems to be part of his persona. If his conspiracy were real in the most extreme sense, then one might expect a conspiracy theorist with mainstream visibility that is a puppet of the system. From that angle, it's hard to accept that he is a true believer. I get the feeling that he doesn't believe exactly what he says, but exaggerates something. And this is mixed with prediction/prognostication, which blurs the line between a statement about how things are versus predictions.

He had some colorful things to say about the EU in one of his anti-globalism rants:

"After Germany Prepares For EU Collapse, Alex Jones Predicts The European Union Will Dissolve By 2022"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5vzmZJINgs

This is the article shown at the beginning of the video: (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/06/german-army-plans-break-european-union-war-game-scenario/)

Dan Carlin explored this topic in his episode "A Bodyguard of Lies" (http://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-309-a-bodyguard-of-lies/) To paraphrase Dan: Conspiracy theorists are themselves a conspiracy. One person's mainstream commentary is another person's fringe conspiracy. We don't have a common set of facts. It's not just we aren't on the same page, we not even in the same book.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: wastrel on December 11, 2017, 12:12:53 AM
Hard hitting journalism. Skip to 1:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5kNP7tyhk8

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 11, 2017, 12:46:28 AM
Hard hitting journalism. Skip to 1:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5kNP7tyhk8

Links the CIA to Facebook, Amazon, Google and Microsoft. Then states that IBM was part of a british conspiracy to bring about nazism to create the establishment of the UN to create a world government based on spying and the internet to have implants on the hand and forehead to fulfil a biblical prophecy.

I quite like Alex Jones but this is obviously a stretch to put it mildly. The most objectionable part of his thinking is that Alex Jones usually talks about private innovation and if that conspiracy theory were true then it gives the government even more credit for private innovation.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on December 11, 2017, 03:47:32 AM
Hard hitting journalism. Skip to 1:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5kNP7tyhk8
Is that a video posted by Jones or a supporter?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on December 11, 2017, 06:22:27 AM
I quite like Alex Jones but this is obviously a stretch to put it mildly.

(http://oi67.tinypic.com/140xjqo.jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 11, 2017, 06:32:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4_JYSAPz3Y
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on December 11, 2017, 11:31:15 AM
I thought an international Jewish banking cabal was the grand conspiracy, but now it's a Nazi consortium in technology?

That talking thumb can't even keep his own crazy shit straight.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: werecow on December 11, 2017, 12:20:48 PM
Hard hitting journalism. Skip to 1:45

I'll do you one better and skip all the way to 6:40!
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on December 11, 2017, 01:54:58 PM
You have to give him credit though, he may be the first "journalist" to ever interview Alexa and be outsmarted by it.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on December 12, 2017, 05:20:03 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oBLbCQS.jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on December 12, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
They're turning the freaking frogs gay (and transgender)!

http://discovermagazine.com/2003/feb/featfrogs

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Hayes published his first set of findings last April, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. He published the second set in October, in Nature. Both times the media went a little crazy. The two studies showed equally dramatic results: 40 percent of male frogs were feminized; 80 percent had diminished larynxes. Wild frogs collected from areas with atrazine showed the same number of abnormalities. Could the chemical also affect humans? The beginning of an answer may be emerging. Workers at a Louisiana plant where atrazine is manufactured are now suing their employer, saying they were nine times as likely to get prostate cancer as the average Louisianan.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on January 25, 2018, 03:11:05 AM
Alex Jones seems to be going beyond full crazy
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/alex-jones-media-will-soon-claim-trump-rapes-and-eats-haitian-babies/

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Alex Jones, the shock jock conspiracy theorist leader of Infowars, told listeners that the media fabricated reports that Trump made racist remarks about immigrants in order to distract from right-wing activist James O’Keefe’s latest video releases and predicted that the media would soon claim that Trump rapes and eats Haitian babies.

Today on “The Alex Jones Show,” Jones attempted to discredit reports that Trump asked why “people from shithole countries” are allowed to come to America while discussing federal protections for immigrants from African, Caribbean and Latin American countries, calling it “a fake story.” The real story, Jones claimed, is the release of videos that contain secretly filmed and selectively edited footage of Twitter employees talking about “shadow banning,” a feature on most social media websites that allows moderators to place users in an isolated state without notifying them.

“This is key in crisis management. To cover up a real story, you use a fake story. And this is the mother of distractions. The M.O.A.B. is the mother of bombs—that’s conventional. This is the M.O.A.B. of distractions,” Jones said.

Jones continued, “And they build it. And then you’ll hear more quotes. ‘Yeah, he said he rapes Haitian babies. Yeah he eats them. Yeah, well we just keep hearing about Haitians. It must be true.’”
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Igor SMC on January 30, 2018, 04:41:07 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/10154752825991167/?hc_ref=ARSOSfuuvkSj_d_6BTCBsvh9shl1M2qEit27BCR2W7BdtPJUzzvUg7Iw90-aqVMrxEk
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on January 30, 2018, 05:07:09 PM
There are just too many things to make fun of I don't even know where to start
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on March 04, 2018, 12:54:16 PM
https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/04/youtube-removes-ads-from-infowars-alex-jones-channel-but-says-it-has-no-plans-to-delete-it/
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on March 04, 2018, 02:19:31 PM
I know one might fit this under "No Shit" but Jones is being sued for sexual harassment
https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/02/alex-jones-is-accused-of-discrimination-and-sexual-harassment-by-former-infowars-employees/
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Billzbub on March 14, 2018, 01:33:36 PM
And for defamation:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/03/14/alex-jones-is-a-menace-to-society-im-suing-him/

This guy's life is all screwed up because of Alex Jones.  I hope he wins.  Pdb, what do you think about this?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on March 14, 2018, 04:42:36 PM
And for defamation:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/03/14/alex-jones-is-a-menace-to-society-im-suing-him/

This guy's life is all screwed up because of Alex Jones.  I hope he wins.  Pdb, what do you think about this?

According to the article it was a number of news outlets that pushed the deep state angle. Making up stories and targeting individuals without evidence is terrible and Alex Jones shouldn’t do it. From the quotes provided in the article it would be hard to identify the witness:

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From Infowars: “They had known CIA and State Department officials in Charlottesville, first tweeting, first being on MSNBC, CNN, NBC. The mayor is involved. Everybody is a cut-out.”

Also from Infowars: “One guy is paid 320 thousand a year on the payroll of Soros. He doesn’t just get money from Soros, he personally is paid 320 a year, and then he is there — CIA, State Department — and he is on the news.”

Is he “one guy”? Even the “mayor is involved” is intentionally vague. Jones has been running his mouth off for years and I doubt this lawsuit will be successful. Should Jones state opinions as facts and smear people? Absolutely not.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on March 14, 2018, 08:42:46 PM
And for defamation:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/03/14/alex-jones-is-a-menace-to-society-im-suing-him/

This guy's life is all screwed up because of Alex Jones.  I hope he wins.  Pdb, what do you think about this?

According to the article it was a number of news outlets that pushed the deep state angle. Making up stories and targeting individuals without evidence is terrible and Alex Jones shouldn’t do it. From the quotes provided in the article it would be hard to identify the witness:

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From Infowars: “They had known CIA and State Department officials in Charlottesville, first tweeting, first being on MSNBC, CNN, NBC. The mayor is involved. Everybody is a cut-out.”

Also from Infowars: “One guy is paid 320 thousand a year on the payroll of Soros. He doesn’t just get money from Soros, he personally is paid 320 a year, and then he is there — CIA, State Department — and he is on the news.”

Is he “one guy”? Even the “mayor is involved” is intentionally vague. Jones has been running his mouth off for years and I doubt this lawsuit will be successful. Should Jones state opinions as facts and smear people? Absolutely not.


Yeah, Gilmore's got some great lawyers, I'm going to call it and say Jones is boned on this one.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on March 17, 2018, 04:58:03 AM
Yeah, Gilmore's got some great lawyers, I'm going to call it and say Jones is boned on this one.

This is a fascinating case and I think Alex Jones will be able to justify all allegations (although most are likely false, he will be able to justify that there was a public interest in the discussion):
http://www.law.georgetown.edu/news/upload/gilmore-complaint.pdf

Brennan was chief of staff of Tom Perriello and apparently has some Arab-Apalachian band:
https://www.facebook.com/TomPerriello/posts/10155464686730400

The rest of the allegations were just discussing Gilmore's association with Democratic politics and work as a foreign service officer in central Africa:
http://augustafreepress.com/tom-perriello-announces-staff-gubernatorial-campaign/
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Chief of Staff – Brennan Gilmore
A Lexington, Va., native and UVA graduate, Brennan will serve as the campaign’s chief of staff, advising Tom on strategy and planning. A career Foreign Service Officer, Brennan previously served in diplomatic posts across Africa and in the State Department in Washington, before being Tom’s top aide as U.S. Envoy to the African Great Lakes Region. He is also an accomplished bluegrass musician.

Perrillo received $385,000 from George Soros and Gilmore as chief of staff would have been involved in the transfer so "received money from Soros" will be hard to sue for libel.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/30/politics/virginia-governor-primary-democrats-battle/index.html
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Free from the confines of the traditional campaign, Perriello has run an unconventional race, embracing the endorsement of liberal leaders from outside Virginia, holding a rally with Sanders, touting endorsements from former Clinton top aide John Podesta and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren as well as raking in funding from sources outside the commonwealth.

To date, Perriello has raised 51% of his more than $2 million in fundraising dollars from donors who do not live in the state. He has cashed big checks from figures like liberal activist George Soros and his family. All told, Perriello has raised more than $385,000 from people with the last name Soros. By comparison, 91% of Northam's more than $3 million in campaign cash comes from donors inside Virginia.
"It's the kind of thing that just a few years ago in Virginia would've beaten a Democrat," said Sabato.
Perriello is tapping into the angst over the Trump administration that is fueling Democratic enthusiasm in unprecedented ways. While he is not shying away from Virginia specific issues, he is also emphasizing topics like the battle over Obamacare (his campaign ad featuring an ambulance being crushed has reached viral status with more than 400,000 views on YouTube), the Trump administration's travel ban and the controversy over Russia's alleged meddling in the US election.

This is Alex Jones' bread and butter. If he actually appears in court to discuss Soros funded operatives with connections to Hillary Clinton and Podesta, he will be able to get YEARS of content out of the experience and my prediction is that Gilmore will end up paying Jones' legal costs. Alex Jones is laughing all the way to the bank. This reminds of the case that sentenced Oscar Wilde to hard labour (Gilmore is Wilde and Jones is the Marquess of Queensury).
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: drwfishesman on March 22, 2018, 12:08:42 PM
I anxiously wait for the outcome.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on April 17, 2018, 03:23:38 PM
May the walls come tumbling down

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/sandy-hook-parents-sue-infowars%E2%80%99-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-for-defamation/ar-AAvZ7bn

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Sandy Hook parents sue InfoWars’ conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for defamation

AUSTIN, Texas - The parents of two children killed in the 2012 Sandy Hook school massacre have sued conspiracy theorist Alex Jones for defamation, accusing him and his website InfoWars of engaging in a campaign of "false, cruel, and dangerous assertions."

The two lawsuits filed on Monday in Travis County, Texas, where Jones resides, are likely the first defamation cases concerning Sandy Hook brought against Jones, who has called the shooting a hoax, said Mark Bankston, a Houston-based lawyer for the parents.

The parents decided to sue more than five years after the attacks because they had concluded Jones has no intention of leaving them alone, Bankston said.

"He needs to held accountable," Bankston said in a phone interview. "The strategy of ignoring him didn't work, He didn't go away."

Jones and a lawyer for him named in the lawsuits did not respond to requests to comment. Jones' InfoWars media site and affiliated Free Speech Systems were also named as defendants.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on April 17, 2018, 04:27:29 PM
He's got enough money to settle that without blinking.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: JuniorSpaceman on April 18, 2018, 04:22:09 PM
He's got enough money to settle that without blinking.
They're not doing it for money, so they won't settle.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: God Bomb on April 18, 2018, 10:48:16 PM
He's got enough money to settle that without blinking.
They're not doing it for money, so they won't settle.

I wonder if he's going to reveal whether he actually believes his own bullshit as a result of this case too.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on April 19, 2018, 12:53:54 AM
He's got enough money to settle that without blinking.
They're not doing it for money, so they won't settle.

I wonder if he's going to reveal whether he actually believes his own bullshit as a result of this case too.

I think his only defense in court would be that he believes it.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on April 23, 2018, 08:38:56 AM
You can cut and paste Alex Jones clips together to say almost anything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d1F0mJ8QPs
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on April 23, 2018, 05:47:22 PM
He's got enough money to settle that without blinking.
They're not doing it for money, so they won't settle.

I wonder if he's going to reveal whether he actually believes his own bullshit as a result of this case too.

I think his only defense in court would be that he believes it.

How would that affect his custody case?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on April 23, 2018, 06:31:52 PM
He's got enough money to settle that without blinking.
They're not doing it for money, so they won't settle.

I wonder if he's going to reveal whether he actually believes his own bullshit as a result of this case too.

I think his only defense in court would be that he believes it.

That's no defense. He has an obligation to make a reasonable effort to verify the information he's providing. Anything less than that is negligent, and he'd be just as liable.

Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on April 23, 2018, 06:45:15 PM
How would that affect his custody case?

Didn't he lose that one anyway?

That's no defense. He has an obligation to make a reasonable effort to verify the information he's providing. Anything less than that is negligent, and he'd be just as liable.

I thought I read that believing something, even if not true, can sometimes be a defense against libel.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on April 23, 2018, 07:55:28 PM
How would that affect his custody case?

Didn't he lose that one anyway?

That's no defense. He has an obligation to make a reasonable effort to verify the information he's providing. Anything less than that is negligent, and he'd be just as liable.

I thought I read that believing something, even if not true, can sometimes be a defense against libel.

Yes, but there are caveats.  IANAL-NDIPOOTV  but I think it has something to do with the fact that he is claiming that these people took an illegal action - which gets special scrutiny.  It also has something to do with the fact that these people are not in the public eye.  Or at least that is what they are claiming.  That is an interesting question of law if I understand it right.  Can you consider someone to be a public figure if they did not seek it out, but were put there by the person who is libeling them.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on April 23, 2018, 08:19:46 PM
How would that affect his custody case?

Didn't he lose that one anyway?

That's no defense. He has an obligation to make a reasonable effort to verify the information he's providing. Anything less than that is negligent, and he'd be just as liable.

I thought I read that believing something, even if not true, can sometimes be a defense against libel.

But there is still a negligence standard. If you're making a public statement, and you believe it to be true, but you have not made a reasonable effort to verify it, and it meets all the other standards for libel, then believing it true is no defense against libel.

If you make a public statement you believe to be true, and have made a reasonable effort to verify it, but it turned out to be false, then, yes, believing it was true can be a defense against libel.

(All in the absence of malice, of course)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Belgarath on April 23, 2018, 09:51:21 PM
If you all want some more insight on this, I suggest you listen to his ex-wife talk about whether he really believes what he says:

https://soundcloud.com/politeconversations/kellyjones


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Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on April 24, 2018, 01:48:15 AM
Defamation laws vary quite a lot from state to state.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on May 07, 2018, 06:04:57 PM
How would that affect his custody case?

Didn't he lose that one anyway?

I don't know - I never heard a followup.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: wastrel on May 07, 2018, 06:29:36 PM
How would that affect his custody case?

Didn't he lose that one anyway?

I don't know - I never heard a followup.

I follow his ex on twitter, she is still fighting for the custody ruling to be overturned.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on May 08, 2018, 05:44:14 PM
How would that affect his custody case?

Didn't he lose that one anyway?

I don't know - I never heard a followup.

I follow his ex on twitter, she is still fighting for the custody ruling to be overturned.

What ruling? There has been a ruling?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: wastrel on May 08, 2018, 06:51:12 PM
I am probably misunderstanding the situation.

I think Alex Jones was given custody of the children while the overall custody battle is ongoing.  His ex is trying to get sole custody
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on May 08, 2018, 07:18:38 PM
I am probably misunderstanding the situation.

I think Alex Jones was given custody of the children while the overall custody battle is ongoing.  His ex is trying to get sole custody

I don't think his personal life is relevant to InfoWars - if his son is interested in the program and wants to follow his father in a very successful business then more power to him - there are many reasons to gain or lose custody. His wife has agreed that he believes most of the content that he produces on the show but if that is the reason for his losing custody then anyone with fringe ideas could lose their children.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on May 09, 2018, 03:49:14 AM
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on May 09, 2018, 06:09:01 AM
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.

He said that he plays characters on his show (like Colbert does), even his ex wife admits he is serious about his belief.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on May 09, 2018, 05:54:19 PM
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.

He said that he plays characters on his show (like Colbert does), even his ex wife admits he is serious about his belief.
For a start, like Colbert did, in his old show. He doesn't do that any more. And second, both the custody issue and the current one we are discussing hinge on whether he believes the things he says on his show, or if he plays a character. In the one, he's better off if he's playing a character. In the other, he's better off if he isn't.

He can't simultaneously argue for both positions.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on May 09, 2018, 06:43:13 PM
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.

He said that he plays characters on his show (like Colbert does), even his ex wife admits he is serious about his belief.
For a start, like Colbert did, in his old show. He doesn't do that any more. And second, both the custody issue and the current one we are discussing hinge on whether he believes the things he says on his show, or if he plays a character. In the one, he's better off if he's playing a character. In the other, he's better off if he isn't.

He can't simultaneously argue for both positions.

Alex Jones is earnest in his belief of conspiracies and the government lying about events to a level far beyond almost anyone else and his wife has confirmed that. The 'character' is the skits and rants are there for entertainment value - InfoWars is a business that sells supplements and takes an alternative view about events which many people find entertaining. Using this to assassinate his character sound like the morality police being a bit too eager or, worse, people using his personal conflicts to inflict political wounds.

Alex Jones knew what he signed up for so I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for him but I do think it is reprehensible to engage in this type of attack (even though this is Alex Jones' bread and butter).
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on May 10, 2018, 09:31:16 AM
The reason it's relevant is that in the custody case he claimed to be an actor playing a character, and that he didn't really believe all the things he said on his show. In other words, it's directly relevant.

He said that he plays characters on his show (like Colbert does), even his ex wife admits he is serious about his belief.
For a start, like Colbert did, in his old show. He doesn't do that any more. And second, both the custody issue and the current one we are discussing hinge on whether he believes the things he says on his show, or if he plays a character. In the one, he's better off if he's playing a character. In the other, he's better off if he isn't.

He can't simultaneously argue for both positions.

Alex Jones is earnest in his belief of conspiracies and the government lying about events to a level far beyond almost anyone else and his wife has confirmed that. The 'character' is the skits and rants are there for entertainment value - InfoWars is a business that sells supplements and takes an alternative view about events which many people find entertaining. Using this to assassinate his character sound like the morality police being a bit too eager or, worse, people using his personal conflicts to inflict political wounds.

Alex Jones knew what he signed up for so I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for him but I do think it is reprehensible to engage in this type of attack (even though this is Alex Jones' bread and butter).

Calm down, snowflake, it's a contested divorce and even otherwise reasonable and rational people often do despicable and reprehensible things. No one is attacking Jones, they're simply pointing out what's come out in public regarding his divorce.

It's Jones, by the way, who has made it hard to tell what part of his show is earnest and what part is an act. He's the one who's blurred the lines. His ex is simply using that against him in their divorce. Maybe she actually can't tell what's real and what's fake. Maybe he can't either, anymore.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on May 15, 2018, 05:49:10 PM
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

Colbert's Comedy Central show was obvious tongue in cheek satire of a recognizable type of political pundit. Colbert relied on scripted jokes that were specially crafted to point out the absurdity of right-wing talking points by twisting their logic beyond the breaking point. His "conservative pundit" persona was calculated to give the appearance of a lack of self-unawareness, but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 

Most importantly, Colbert did not use his show to hawk conspiracy literature, financial scams and doomsday prepper merchandise, and use his own voice to shill for those products. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: fred.slota on May 15, 2018, 08:23:07 PM
And, of course, there's also the basic observation that the Colbert Report was on Comedy Central.

Of course, Cartoon Network frequently shows live action movies with no animation heritage, and the History Channel has all-out fictional programming.

And when was the last time Fox News actually covered canidae vulpis information?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on May 23, 2018, 04:38:58 PM
I know whose side I'm on...


6 Sandy Hook Families, FBI Agent Sue Alex Jones For Defamation (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/6-sandy-hook-relatives-fbi-agent-sue-alex-jones-for-defamation_us_5b058f2be4b0784cd2b0aa6e)
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Family members of six victims of the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, filed a defamation lawsuit on Wednesday against Jones, who for years has peddled the false conspiracy theory that the massacre never happened. FBI agent William Aldenburg, who was among those responding to the shooting in which 26 people were killed, joined the suit, which was obtained by HuffPost.
The suit also names Jones’ Infowars contributor Wolfgang Halbig and Halbig’s associate, Cory Sklanka. It was filed by attorney Josh Koskoff of the Bridgeport, Connecticut-based law firm Koskoff Koskoff & Bieder.
Part of Jones’ false narrative has been that interviews of Sandy Hook parents conducted by CNN were fake.
Title: My favorite Alex Jones conspiracy theory
Post by: John Albert on August 02, 2018, 08:15:49 AM
The evidence is oddly persuasive.

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(https://i.imgur.com/ysxtlCl.jpg)

Digging Deep Into the Only Conspiracy Alex Jones Doesn't Like

Deep in the heart of the internet exists a bat-shit theory that annoys the piss out of the Conspiracy King—that he is actually Bill Hicks.


This article first appeared on VICE Canada.

I hate patriotism. I can't stand it, man—makes me fuckin' sick. It's a round world last time I checked. - Bill Hicks


Bill Hicks was the angry voice of reason for the disenfranchised and foul mouthed street criminals of his time—he was the man who smoked in the face of cancer. If you don't know who Bill Hicks was, do yourself a favour, click into a new tab, Google the comedian, and watch everything he ever did as the man was a savant imo (then come back and read the rest of this article, please.)

Sadly though, the world only got to listen to his ramblings for a mere 16-years as he died from pancreatic cancer in 1994 at the young age of 32, however, in his short time above ground Hicks proved to be one of the most influential comics of all time. And as with any well known person who dies young—especially a controversial one—rumours have run rampant following his death.

In the case of Hicks' death, none of those rumours are more prolific, and bizarre, than the notion that Hicks faked his death to become conspiracy monger (https://dublinsmickdotcom.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/alex-disinfo-jones-is-bill-hicks-shill-hicks/) Alex Jones. A quick Google search will bring you to hundreds of blog posts on the topic and self made videos crowd youtube as theorist attempt to further the conspiracy. While it's truly an intense amount of crazy, the idea has lived on the internet so long that—apart from the true believers—it has become an in-joke for redditors, channers, and a rogue crew of Alex Jones fans (potato-men?).

Most importantly though, this conspiracy seems to really fucking annoy Alex Jones—a 9/11 truther (http://www.mediamatters.org/video/2016/11/28/trump-ally-alex-jones-uses-trump-s-2001-remarks-further-911-inside-job-conspiracy/214631) who has spread the notion that the kids killed in Sandy Hook were actors (http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-wont-donald-trump-denounce-sandy-hook-deniers) and the Quebec mosque shooting was a false flag attack (https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/a-quebec-mosque-shooting-truther-movement-has-already-started).

"I'm sick of hearing about Bill Hicks," lamented Jones on a recent appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience (http://). "It hurts me that they're so dumb, they don't know I'm my own person, Alex Jones."

So, with that annoyance in mind, why don't we take an in-depth look at the theory?

The idea's first major appearance on the web was in 2006 in thread posts form on the forums Godlike Productions (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/) and Doppelganger and Identity Research Society (http://doppels.proboards.com/thread/4). The theory, like all good conspiracies, is fractured as hell, so in order to explain I'm going to attempt to compile the most widely "accepted" ideas. First things first, the question of why Hicks decided to give up the possibility of being the voice of a generation to become a potatoman by the name of Alex Emerick Jones.

One massive branch of the theory revolves around a man named Kevin Booth. Booth's production company, Sacred Cow Productions (http://www.sacredcow.com/index.php), was behind comedy films for the likes of Hicks, Rogan, and Stanhope—and Booth also produced Hicks' posthumous comedy records. It was co-founded by Hicks and Booth in the early 90s but, since the comedian's death, it's one shining star has been, you guessed it, Alex Fuckin' Jones. So, long story short, many believe that Booth is actually the man with the plan who had Hicks switch up characters much like in pro wrestling.

Another widely held explanation by the theorists on why Hicks decided to play the character of Alex Jones full time is, well, they say Jones is a CIA disinfo agent put into the AM shock jock scene to discredit actual radio hosts. Here's a portion of a popular blog post explaining it:


         
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Evidence indicates that Bill Hicks transitioned himself into a new 'right wing' talk-radio conspiracy-minded shock jock just as some in government were raising the alarm about Timothy McVeigh 'lone wolf' type domestic terrorists being inspired by AM radio talk jocks. Also it was the advent of the brand-new internet-era and so the timing was perfect to insert a glib provoking-agent into the 'alternative media' scene— someone who could get out front and the lead patriotic Americans around in circles. And so Bill Hicks apparently went to work for the CIA— transforming himself into Alex Jones, the new 'info-warrior'.

In order to become a new man, the theorists posit that he utilized "plastic surgery, testosterone, growth hormone, larynx surgery, and cosmetics." However, the one thing that people freak out about is that Jones and Hicks seemingly have similar teeth (seriously, a lot of work has gone into proving they have the teeth thing,) they have also done vocal comparisons and believe Jones' voice is the same as one Hicks used, at times, in his comedy.

(https://i.imgur.com/QYS65ci.jpg)
Some dude even made a gif about the teeth! Photo via dublinsmickdotcom

There is, of course, the bonkers list of reasons that are IRREFUTABLE PROOF (https://bit.ly/2vtrMe8) that the two are one man, this includes them having similar moles, having similar heights and facial profiles, people mistakenly calling the host "Bill" on-air, Jones' jocular references to himself as Hicks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=AJjFubcICGA), the fact that Jones came out of nowhere for his first radio show in 1996, and, shit you not, the idea that Jones' middle name, Emerick, is the taken from Geoff Emerick the—Beatles producer who "killed Paul."

The Jones/Hicks truthers have also gone to the uncomfortable level of insanity of digging through Jones' birth certificate and other documents to see if it they're fake—which considering Alex Jones' role in the birther movement (http://www.infowars.com/case-closed-trump-was-right-obamas-birth-certificate-a-fake/), is actually pretty fucking funny. The theory has even climbed the wonderful meta peak only certain conspiracies are able to ascend, with some theorists musing about the idea Jones may have started and propagated (https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/tag/tila-tequila/) the theory himself to discredit accurate conspiracies about him.

But, perhaps the main driver of Jones' annoyance with the whole goddamn thing is the idea that the little potatoman looks far older than he is. Jones is currently 43 years-old while Bill Hicks would have been 55-years-old and the theorists are convinced Jones looks far older than he says he is—which is kind of insulting, I guess.


(https://i.imgur.com/NxG5eKS.jpg)
Yeah, I get how this would annoy him. Photo via dublinsmickdotcom

There are some similarities, the two are both are immensely intense on the mic, share a little bit of a similarity in looks, both are from Texas, and Hicks did tend to enjoy a conspiracy theory (https://bit.ly/2MbLout). However, with the recent change in Jones' politics the two now exist on drastically different poles politically.

While at the beginning of his career, Jones didn't have a hard time seeing conspiracies on both sides of the political spectrum—much like Hicks—as of late, Jones has giddied up to the nationalistic establishment by softly nuzzling Trump (http://www.spin.com/2017/02/donald-trump-has-turned-conspiracy-king-alex-jones-into-a-government-bootlicker/) with the warm kindness of an old dog looking for his owner's hidden peanut butter. This, frankly is something that one would have a hard time seeing a consummate hater of the state like Bill Hicks do.

Still, though, despite it being utter bullshit, the conspiracy is so prolific that people will, sometimes in public, only address Jones as Bill or come up to him in restaurants and repeat Hicks name until Jones looks at them. With that apparently happening all the time, Jones said he's straight-up done with the conspiracy and furthermore, he said it annoys the family of the great comedian.

"Bill Hicks is in the ground folks," said Jones on his radio show in 2014 (https://bit.ly/2OEwpef). "Kevin [Booth] was there when he died. This isn't funny, this is sick."

Overall, the theory is, for lack of a better term, banana-pants crazy-town, and Jones is right—the notion that Hicks never truly died is disrespectful to the late great Hicks and his family, and it's good that Jones can see that.

It's just a shame the man doesn't extend that same respect to the 20 kids shot dead in the Sandy Hook Elementary School.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d7evqv/digging-deep-into-the-only-conspiracy-alex-jones-doesnt-like
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: heyalison on August 02, 2018, 09:07:48 AM
Wait a second... Bill Hicks and Alex Jones both had teeth and hands??? This changes everything. :)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on August 02, 2018, 09:40:03 AM
Chubby sweaty white guys all look alike to me.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CookieMustard on August 02, 2018, 10:41:54 AM
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 02, 2018, 06:05:49 PM
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

I think that the longer his show ran, the less of this effect there was.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 02, 2018, 07:40:47 PM
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

It doesn't surprise me that a political satire show might go over the heads of some teenagers and twentysomethings.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 02, 2018, 07:55:42 PM
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

It doesn't surprise me that a political satire show might go over the heads of some teenagers and twentysomethings.

It wasn't just teenagers and twentysomethings.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 02, 2018, 07:58:43 PM
Comparing Alex Jones to Stephen Colbert is not fair at all.

... but no reasonable person in Colbert's audience would ever believe he was really sincere about the things he said. 


That last bit you mentioned seems obvious but it reminds me of a study published 8 or 9 years ago. It looked at the reactions of college students (as I recall) to Colbert. The study found that the more Conservative the students, the more they took Colbert seriously and thought he was sincere in his right wing rants. I don't have a link to the paper but for some reason I remember it came from Ohio State University so anyone interested should be able to find it with a bit of web searching.

To be fair I have also known people on the left of the political spectrum who seemed totally lacking any sense of irony.

It doesn't surprise me that a political satire show might go over the heads of some teenagers and twentysomethings.

It wasn't just teenagers and twentysomethings.

How do you know? Did you read the study? Were the ages of the respondents listed in the demographic data?

The vast majority of college students at state universities are teenagers and twentysomethings.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 02, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
How do you know?

Do you expect me to read an academic paper for every piece of information I come across? Get real.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 02, 2018, 08:10:27 PM
Do you expect me to read an academic paper for every piece of information I come across? Get real.

I expect you to at least have read the academic paper under discussion, before you purport to lecture me about its contents.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 02, 2018, 08:33:08 PM
Do you expect me to read an academic paper for every piece of information I come across? Get real.

I expect you to at least have read the academic paper under discussion, before you purport to lecture me about its contents.

The paper was likely written because of the perceived effect of conservatives believing his character was genuine, to determine whether that effect was real. You don't do things like this out of the blue. If you'd like to link to the paper, which no-one has done yet, then I'd be happy to take a look at the abstract.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 02, 2018, 09:06:08 PM
It was a poll of college students, hence my "teenagers and twentysomethings" comment.

I wasn't arguing against the conclusion of the alleged study.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 02, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
It was a poll of college students, hence my "teenagers and twentysomethings" comment.

I wasn't arguing against the conclusion of the alleged study.

Yes, I understand, and I accept your mild rebuke with good grace. I was not referring specifically to that paper when I made the comment, but I certainly did not make that clear at the time.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CookieMustard on August 08, 2018, 10:47:38 AM
The paper was likely written because of the perceived effect of conservatives believing his character was genuine, to determine whether that effect was real. You don't do things like this out of the blue. If you'd like to link to the paper, which no-one has done yet, then I'd be happy to take a look at the abstract.

Here is a link to the Colbert paper. This is the only link I found that is not behind a paywall.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 08, 2018, 09:20:44 PM
The paper was likely written because of the perceived effect of conservatives believing his character was genuine, to determine whether that effect was real. You don't do things like this out of the blue. If you'd like to link to the paper, which no-one has done yet, then I'd be happy to take a look at the abstract.

Here is a link to the Colbert paper. This is the only link I found that is not behind a paywall.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire

Thanks for that. I notice that the results were gathered from an online survey of 332 people, which isn't great, but it's an interesting paper nontheless.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 09, 2018, 01:50:09 PM
If they were college students, then that also introduces the problem of selection bias.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 09, 2018, 06:06:01 PM
If they were college students, then that also introduces the problem of selection bias.

Yes, they were college undergrads, age range 18-40. There was an interesting piece of demographic information about their self-reported political inclinations, though:

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Only 15.1 percent reported “Democrat” and 13.8 percent reported“Republican,” while the remaining 71.1 percent either reported being “Independent”(68.3 percent), “Other” (2.2 percent), or “decline to answer” (0.6 percent).

(PDF) The Irony of Satire. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire [accessed Aug 10 2018].

That's an unusually high proportion of independent voters.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 10, 2018, 05:14:23 PM
If they were college students, then that also introduces the problem of selection bias.

Yes, they were college undergrads, age range 18-40.

What's the distribution curve of that age range?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 10, 2018, 05:15:57 PM
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Only 15.1 percent reported “Democrat” and 13.8 percent reported“Republican,” while the remaining 71.1 percent either reported being “Independent”(68.3 percent), “Other” (2.2 percent), or “decline to answer” (0.6 percent).

(PDF) The Irony of Satire. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire [accessed Aug 10 2018].

That's an unusually high proportion of independent voters.

Maybe for people of our age, but it seems about right for a youthful population.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 12, 2018, 09:54:11 PM
If they were college students, then that also introduces the problem of selection bias.

Yes, they were college undergrads, age range 18-40.

What's the distribution curve of that age range?
Not reported.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Billzbub on August 14, 2018, 11:24:13 AM
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Only 15.1 percent reported “Democrat” and 13.8 percent reported“Republican,” while the remaining 71.1 percent either reported being “Independent”(68.3 percent), “Other” (2.2 percent), or “decline to answer” (0.6 percent).

(PDF) The Irony of Satire. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire [accessed Aug 10 2018].

That's an unusually high proportion of independent voters.

Maybe for people of our age, but it seems about right for a youthful population.

They are all a bunch of socialists and libertarians!   /shakefist
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on August 15, 2018, 05:15:41 PM
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Only 15.1 percent reported “Democrat” and 13.8 percent reported“Republican,” while the remaining 71.1 percent either reported being “Independent”(68.3 percent), “Other” (2.2 percent), or “decline to answer” (0.6 percent).

(PDF) The Irony of Satire. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237580607_The_Irony_of_Satire [accessed Aug 10 2018].

That's an unusually high proportion of independent voters.

Maybe for people of our age, but it seems about right for a youthful population.

They are all a bunch of socialists and libertarians!   /shakefist

Some are also non-aligned because they take little or no interest in politics.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on August 15, 2018, 07:19:03 PM
After fourteen years at Purdue, I agree.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Billzbub on August 16, 2018, 02:20:48 PM
Socialists, communists, apathists, and libertarians!

Why can't the libertarians come up with a word that ends in "ist" like everyone else?   >:(
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on August 16, 2018, 02:22:09 PM
Socialists, communists, apathists, and libertarians!

Why can't the libertarians come up with a word that ends in "ist" like everyone else?   >:(

Liberterrorists?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Oh Henry on August 16, 2018, 03:40:35 PM
Socialists, communists, apathists, and libertarians!

Why can't the libertarians come up with a word that ends in "ist" like everyone else?   >:(

Perianal-cysts?
Selfish-and-pissed?
Wolves-in-our-midst?
I've-got-mine-he-hissed?
They-refuse-to-assist?
The-poor-get-the-fist?



Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on August 16, 2018, 03:48:52 PM
Socialists, communists, apathists, and libertarians!

Why can't the libertarians come up with a word that ends in "ist" like everyone else?   >:(

Perianal-cysts?
Selfish-and-pissed?
Wolves-in-our-midst?
I've-got-mine-he-hissed?
They-refuse-to-assist?
The-poor-get-the-fist?

Anarchists?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: bachfiend on August 16, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
Socialists, communists, apathists, and libertarians!

Why can't the libertarians come up with a word that ends in "ist" like everyone else?   >:(

Well, ‘socialist’ is derived from ‘socialism’, and ‘communist’ from ‘communism’, and many ideologies end in ‘-ism.’  So the libertarian ideology could be ‘libertarianism’, and an adherent of the libertarianistic ideology would be the mouthful ‘libertarianist.’  ‘Libertarian’ is actually an adjective.  Using it as a noun is very common in German and almost as common in English (many English political terms were directly borrowed, slightly modified, from 19th century German).
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 19, 2018, 09:23:15 AM
Isn't it funny how Aelx Jones talks about pedophilia rings in pizza parlors and the democrat party where they are far more likely to be in the Catholic church?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on August 27, 2018, 07:58:11 PM
This is an interesting untended consequence

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/08/infowars-alex-jones-busted-air-trans-porn-phone-browser/

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InfoWars’ Alex Jones busted on air with trans porn in his phone browser

InfoWars host and anti-transgender commentator Alex Jones inadvertently showed a bit of his browser history on his show, revealing that he has watched an adult video involving a transgender actress.

Jones has a history of anti-transgender comments and repeatedly uses the word “tranny” to describe trans women.

While promoting his brand of nutritional supplements – which are just multivitamins with an enormous mark-up – a camera zoomed in on Jones’s phone.

He showed viewers how to access the site to buy the supplements, and then closed the page, revealing several of the last few websites he has visited.

One of them has the title “Naughty tbabe Marissa Mi-,” which appears to be a video starring Marissa Minx, a pornographic actress who is transgender.



Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on August 27, 2018, 09:07:14 PM
"Research".
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on September 01, 2018, 04:08:07 AM
Porn featuring trans people is often VERY trans phobic.
Aside from the general unprofessionalism of such a slip, its one of the very few things he has ever said or done that should not be criticised or a thing made out of.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on September 01, 2018, 11:02:11 AM
Porn featuring trans people is often VERY trans phobic.
Aside from the general unprofessionalism of such a slip, its one of the very few things he has ever said or done that should not be criticised or a thing made out of.

I think the criticism is over the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on September 02, 2018, 10:07:26 AM
Porn featuring trans people is often VERY trans phobic.
Aside from the general unprofessionalism of such a slip, its one of the very few things he has ever said or done that should not be criticised or a thing made out of.

I think the criticism is over the hypocrisy.
And my point is that its not necessarily hypocrisy and that pushing it does not seem at all helpful to the trans community.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 06, 2018, 10:45:07 PM
Banned off Twitter
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/06/twitter-permanently-bans-alex-jones-and-infowars-accounts.html
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on September 07, 2018, 06:36:12 PM
This is great
https://youtu.be/uWd6XgBVIcg
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on September 11, 2018, 07:33:43 PM
Did anybody see how he confront Mark Rubio? I don't like Rubio (when he ran for president, he seemed to be running more for Pastor in Chief) but still Jones is a real shit.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2018/sep/06/dont-touch-me-marco-rubio-and-alex-jones-clash-video

Jones used it to try to promote his website.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 12, 2018, 04:25:08 PM
I don't get why the news channel producers didn't kick him out of there earlier. Maybe they figured it would make for a better story than whatever Rubio had to say.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on September 12, 2018, 06:17:14 PM
If it bleeds, it leads. And Jones had people bleeding from the ears.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 14, 2018, 03:35:26 PM
And Rubio is about as dull as they come.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on September 14, 2018, 08:10:32 PM
And Rubio is about as dull as they come.

I was surprised how well Rubio handled himself. A lot less robotic than in the primaries.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 15, 2018, 05:53:30 PM
And Rubio is about as dull as they come.

I was surprised how well Rubio handled himself. A lot less robotic than in the primaries.

But he got brutally punked by freaking Alex Jones. To a professional career politician, that's quite an embarrassment. 
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Pdb on September 15, 2018, 10:17:15 PM
And Rubio is about as dull as they come.

I was surprised how well Rubio handled himself. A lot less robotic than in the primaries.

But he got brutally punked by freaking Alex Jones. To a professional career politician, that's quite an embarrassment.

Rubio did get destroyed by Christie in the debates so dealing with overbearing big personalities isn’t his strength. This time with Jones at least Rubio seemed human. The “go back to your bathhouse with the other frat boys” comment seemed odd though.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Jeremy's Sea on September 17, 2018, 01:16:10 PM
Yeah, it's not odd, there's a pervasive line of homophobia through Alex Jones's commentary. Even if he isn't out and out a bigot all the time, he's still of the diminished mindset that calling someone gay is an insult.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: gebobs on September 17, 2018, 01:31:41 PM
Seemed to me he handled it pretty well. Jones is quite the asshole.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on September 17, 2018, 03:55:12 PM
It would have looked a lot better if he'd shown a little spine, and authoritatively told somebody to get that buffoon out of camera range while a press conference was going on.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on September 17, 2018, 09:18:39 PM
I like the idea of someone prominent calling Alex Jones a "buffoon" to his face on national TV.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on March 18, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
This American Life does a deep dive into Sandy Hook and Alex Jones.

Wow.



This American Life: Beware the Jabberwock (https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock)
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Alex Jones spread the idea that Sandy Hook was a hoax, on his radio show and website for years after the shooting. He's probably the country's most famous conspiracy theorist. He's even had Donald Trump on his show. Reporter Jon Ronson travels to Jones' hometown in Texas, to investigate the story Jones tells about himself, and how he became who he is.   
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Friendly Angel on March 18, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
This American Life does a deep dive into Sandy Hook and Alex Jones.

Wow.


This American Life: Beware the Jabberwock (https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock)


Yeah, quite a story.  Them were some mimsy Borogoves.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on April 02, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
Alex Jones claims that he suffered psychosis with his Sandy Hook conspiracies
In his divorce trial though, he claimed that his show was basically an act and that he did not believe what he was spewing.

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/31/18289271/alex-jones-psychosis-conspiracies-sandy-hook-hoax

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Notorious conspiracy theorist Alex Jones claims a “form of psychosis” caused him to believe that the Sandy Hook massacre was staged.

For years, Jones, the founder of Infowars, peddled a conspiracy theory about the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, where a shooter killed 20 children and six adults in 2012. Jones has repeatedly claimed the massacre was a “giant hoax” carried out by “crisis actors” in a broad scheme to trample on Second Amendment rights.

In a video released Friday, Jones acknowledged in a sworn deposition stemming from a lawsuit filed by the families of Sandy Hook victims that the school shooting was in fact real. Jones blamed the “trauma of the media and the corporations lying so much” for triggering his extreme distrust in news and information.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on May 02, 2019, 02:34:25 PM


Facebook bans Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos and other far-right figures - Los Angeles Times (https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-facebook-ban-alex-jones-milo-yiannopoulos-20190502-story.html)

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Facebook Inc. said it’s banning a number of controversial far-right figures, including Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos and Laura Loomer, for violating the social-media company’s policies on hate speech and promoting violence.


It's about time.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on May 03, 2019, 11:17:52 AM
I thought Alex Jones was already off Facebook.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: wastrel on May 03, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
He was still on Instagram
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: DevoutCatalyst on May 03, 2019, 11:55:16 AM
And is still welcome on Rogan.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on May 30, 2019, 05:36:26 AM
Rogan is not very discriminating.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 14, 2019, 07:30:44 PM
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Alex Jones offers $1M reward as FBI investigates child pornography planted on his Infowars server

By Dave Altimari | Hartford Courant | June 14, 2019 | 5:20 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/h7yR8XB.jpg)
Alex Jones speaks outside the hearing room prior to testimony by Google CEO Sundar Pichai before the House Judiciary
Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington on Dec. 11.
(SAUL LOEB / AFP/Getty Images)

The FBI has informed Alex Jones someone planted child pornography on the servers for his Infowars website and on Friday the controversial radio host offered a $1 million reward for any information leading to an arrest.

Federal authorities have been conducting a child pornography investigation for several weeks after they reviewed emailed threats made against Jones that contained links to child pornography websites, according to his attorney Norm Pattis.

Pattis appeared on Jones’ show late Friday afternoon to discuss the incident. But before he did Jones went on a five-minute, profanity-laced rant announcing the reward for information leading to the arrest and prosecution of whoever infiltrated the his company’s servers.

“Someone is trying to set me up with child pornography and we’re going to find you,” Jones said.

Pattis said he was notified a few weeks ago by the company that is reviewing all of the emails Infowars receives that there were 12 suspicious ones that appeared to be threats against Jones but actually contained child pornography.

“These were emails that if you, me or one of your workers had opened we would have been subjected to five years in federal prison,” Pattis said.
Whole story: https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-alex-jones-child-porn-investigation-20190614-harulorw5jczzddykmlafzyi5i-story.html
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Oh Henry on June 17, 2019, 04:00:52 PM
https://www.ctpost.com/local/ctpost/article/Lawyers-Alex-Jones-sent-child-porn-to-Sandy-Hook-14005437.php (https://www.ctpost.com/local/ctpost/article/Lawyers-Alex-Jones-sent-child-porn-to-Sandy-Hook-14005437.php)

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The law firm representing the families of the 2012 mass shooting, stated in court documents filed Monday they have contacted the FBI after discovering child porn in electronic files Jones recently turned over to the Sandy Hook families as a result of their lawsuit against him for calling the tragedy a hoax.

Jones publicly responded on a broadcast of his show that he is being framed by Chris Mattei, the lawyer for the Sandy Hook families and went on making what Mattei and his law firm, Koskoff, Koskoff and Bieder claim are threats against them.

“You’re trying to set me up with child porn, I’ll get your ass,” Jones states on the broadcast. “One million dollars, you little gang members. One million dollars to put your head on a pike.” Jones then pounds a photograph of Mattei and goes into a rant at one point stating, “I’m gonna kill…”
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Desert Fox on June 17, 2019, 04:11:32 PM
It is damn strange
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on June 17, 2019, 08:05:01 PM
I’m pretty sure that scienter is required for charges of possession or distribution of child pornography, so simply opening an unsolicited E-mail would not subject one to criminal liability.  That does not mean, however, that one could not be charged or even wrongfully convicted, and even accusations could ruin a person’s life.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 18, 2019, 05:35:19 PM
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Alex Jones Faces Court Action After Threatening Sandy Hook Lawyer

The InfoWars conspiracy theorist raged at a lawyer for Sandy Hook families, calling him a “pimp.”


Will Sommer | Published 06.17.19 6:28PM ET | Updated 06.17.19 9:31PM ET

(https://i.imgur.com/zcGeIHA.jpg)
Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg via Getty

A Connecticut judge could impose penalties on InfoWars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on Tuesday, after Jones aired a show where he punched a picture of an attorney representing Sandy Hook families and called the lawyer a “pimp.”

In a motion filed Monday in Connecticut, attorneys for the Sandy Hook families asked the court to review Friday’s episode of InfoWars. In that show, Jones raged at attorney Chris Mattei, who’s representing Sandy Hook families suing Jones for saying the 2012 elementary school massacre never happened.

While sitting next to his own attorney, Norm Pattis, Jones accused Mattei without evidence of planting child porn on InfoWars’s servers.

“Total war!” Jones said. “You want it, you got it! I’m not into kids like your Democratic Party, you cocksuckers! So get ready!”

While sitting next to his own attorney, Norm Pattis, Jones accused Mattei without evidence of planting child porn on InfoWars’s servers.

“Total war!” Jones said. “You want it, you got it! I’m not into kids like your Democratic Party, you cocksuckers! So get ready!”

“I spoke to federal prosecutors last week,” Pattis said. “They report that there is no indication anyone at InfoWars knowingly possessed child pornography. The items were embedded in emails sent to folks at InfoWars without ever having been opened.”

On his Friday show, Jones concocted a conspiracy theory that Mattei had planted the child porn himself in an attempt to discredit InfoWars. Jones fumed at Mattei, calling him a “white-shoe boy that thinks he owns America.”

Pattis appeared uncomfortable as Jones raged at the plaintiff’s attorney, at one point urging Jones to calm down and referring to Jones as “young man.”

At one point during the show, Jones punched a picture of Mattei. Pattis told Jones to stop showing Mattei’s face on air, adding that they didn’t know who had sent InfoWars the child pornography.

“I didn’t come on your show to be made out to be a naive fool,” Pattis said.

The Sandy Hook attorneys urged the judge in the case to consider action against Jones over the show at a hearing on Tuesday. They haven’t specified yet what kind of action they want, but say in their motion that the court has an “obligation to protect” the lawyers on the case.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/infowars-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-faces-court-action-after-threatening-sandy-hook-lawyer
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on June 18, 2019, 05:56:12 PM
Earlier this month Joe Rogan saw fit to give him a platform by talking to him for 4 hours while laughing along with him.

Lets see if child porn is enough to put this toxic mess in Rogans bad graces?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 18, 2019, 06:06:34 PM
Not to blame anybody in particular, but I think it's quite possible that some ill-intentioned actor sent the stuff to Infowars for the purpose of framing Alex. If the contraband had originated in-house, I imagine the FBI would have found some evidence of that and made the appropriate arrests.

The way Alex constantly harps on themes of child rape and blood libel on his show, he's practically begging for it.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on June 18, 2019, 06:58:15 PM
Not to blame anybody in particular, but I think it's quite possible that some ill-intentioned actor sent the stuff to Infowars for the purpose of framing Alex. If the contraband had originated in-house, I imagine the FBI would have found some evidence of that and made the appropriate arrests.

The way Alex constantly harps on themes of child rape and blood libel on his show, he's practically begging for it.

I'm surprised he's not claiming they're Hillary's missing emails
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on June 18, 2019, 07:20:24 PM
Jones is being denied the opportunity to submit special motions for dismissal as a sanction for his behavior.  He is also required to pay the plaintiff’s expenses relating to this specific matter. The judge said that his behavior was wildly inappropriate and “possibly criminal.”

Jones is said to be “flabbergasted.”
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 18, 2019, 07:33:35 PM
Like a true Infowarrior, only Alex will decide which hill he's going to die on.

Turns out it's a very small hill.

Never fear though, he's got God on his side. ;)
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 18, 2019, 07:39:13 PM
Great article about Chris Mattei (lawyer for the Sandy Hook families) and the latest developments vis a vis the child porn and related accusations.  It includes a Scribd of the motion filed against Jones.

It's too long to post here, but here's the link: https://heavy.com/news/2019/06/chris-mattei
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 19, 2019, 06:32:49 AM
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Sandy Hook Victim's Father Wins Defamation Suit, Alex Jones Sanctioned

Vanessa Romo | June 18, 201910:04 PM ET

Leonard Pozner, whose 6-year-old son was killed in the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, has been battling against conspiracy theorists for years, and on Tuesday he scored a victory against deniers who claimed the shooting that left 20 first grade children dead never happened.

A Wisconsin judge issued a summary judgment in favor of Pozner in a defamation lawsuit against the authors of a book called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, a 400-page book purporting a series of false claims, including ideas that the mass shooting was a FEMA drill to promote gun control and that the grieving father had fabricated his son Noah's death certificate, which is a crime in Connecticut.

"Mr. Pozner has sought for years to try to get these conspiracy theorists to understand that his son really was a person and that his son really did die and as a last resort we initiated this defamation case," Pozner's lawyer, Jake Zimmerman told NPR.

The lawsuit focused narrowly on the claim by James Fetzer and Mike Palecek that Pozner had forged or faked the death certificate, though it also alluded to other convoluted theories advanced by Fetzer on his blog, including the theory that Noah was not Pozner's son.
Whole story: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733880866/sandy-hook-victims-father-wins-defamation-suit-alex-jones-sanctioned
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: PANTS! on June 19, 2019, 07:24:39 AM
Not to blame anybody in particular, but I think it's quite possible that some ill-intentioned actor sent the stuff to Infowars for the purpose of framing Alex. If the contraband had originated in-house, I imagine the FBI would have found some evidence of that and made the appropriate arrests.

The way Alex constantly harps on themes of child rape and blood libel on his show, he's practically begging for it.

I thought the child or material was found in items turned over to the prosecution as part of discovery. In which case it would be Alex Jones trying to put child pronography in two prosecution teams hands. Or at least that's the way I thought this was headed.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on June 19, 2019, 10:05:57 AM
Civil case, so there's no prosecution.  You are correct that the images were in the metadata turned over to the plaintiffs, however.  The bizarre claim seems to be that the plaintiff’s counsel added the images to the files after they were turned over, then reported it to the FBI.  Of course, that could easily be checked by looking at the data on the server.

And the response is bizarre and theatrical—and probably intentionally so.  Nobody—plaintiff’s counsel or FBI—has suggested that Jones or any of his employees knowingly possessed or distributed the materials. Jones is being considered a victim in the investigation (though plaintiff’s counsel is criticizing defense counsel for failing to review the materials at all before sending them).  The whole thing would have affected the trial in little or no way if he had not gone off the deep end threatening and libeling the plaintiff’s counsel.  But of course insane person is his whole brand.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: arthwollipot on June 19, 2019, 08:42:55 PM
Whole story: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733880866/sandy-hook-victims-father-wins-defamation-suit-alex-jones-sanctioned

"Sanctioned"? What does that mean?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on June 20, 2019, 12:51:37 AM
Whole story: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733880866/sandy-hook-victims-father-wins-defamation-suit-alex-jones-sanctioned

"Sanctioned"? What does that mean?

He’s been denied the opportunity to submit special motions for dismissal and is being required to pay the legal expenses of the plaintiff’s in responding to this issue (I believe both the child pornography and the outburst).
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 20, 2019, 03:53:55 PM
Civil case, so there's no prosecution.  You are correct that the images were in the metadata turned over to the plaintiffs, however.  The bizarre claim seems to be that the plaintiff’s counsel added the images to the files after they were turned over, then reported it to the FBI.  Of course, that could easily be checked by looking at the data on the server.

And the response is bizarre and theatrical—and probably intentionally so.  Nobody—plaintiff’s counsel or FBI—has suggested that Jones or any of his employees knowingly possessed or distributed the materials. Jones is being considered a victim in the investigation (though plaintiff’s counsel is criticizing defense counsel for failing to review the materials at all before sending them).  The whole thing would have affected the trial in little or no way if he had not gone off the deep end threatening and libeling the plaintiff’s counsel.  But of course insane person is his whole brand.

It's difficult to tell to what degree Jones' outburst was performative, versus a genuine emotional response. This segment was in the fourth hour of the show. Alex Jones (who was clearly drunk by that time) pre-empted the regular fourth hour host to make his special announcement. 

Even Alex Jones' lawyer Norm Pattis kept trying to calm him down and explain to him that publicly offering a bounty on air is a really bad idea, because it could taint witness testimony should the culprit actually get arrested on a tip from a bounty seeker. Jones' response was to cite the precedent of old West wanted posters, and refused to listen when Pattis tried to explain that it's an entirely different situation when police agencies offer rewards for information.

Then Alex Jones went on the attack against his legal opponents, accusing Christopher Mattei (lawyer for the families attorney the Sandy Hook families) of sending the contraband. Again Norm Pattis cautioned him against making accusations without requisite evidence, but Jones was in drunken rage mode and his lawyer's scolding seemed to further enrage him.

The podcast Knowledge Fight (which tracks and analyzes Alex Jones and Infowars propaganda) did a whopping 3-hour episode (https://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/c/4/b/c4b332ffa583edfa/June13-14-2019.mp3?c_id=44919059&cs_id=44919059&destination_id=461807) to cover this event, including clips from the show. The relevant segment starts at 02:18:00 into the run time.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on June 20, 2019, 06:06:18 PM
Whats the worst outcome that could happen from this case from Jones perspective?
Sued into oblivion?
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: CarbShark on June 20, 2019, 06:48:45 PM
Whats the worst outcome that could happen from this case from Jones perspective?
Sued into oblivion?

This was one case, with one parent. How many Parkland families are in the same boat?

All of them.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on June 20, 2019, 08:27:43 PM
Whats the worst outcome that could happen from this case from Jones perspective?
Sued into oblivion?

He could indeed be bankrupted by judgments if found liable.

I’m actually not sure how I feel about that.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 24, 2019, 04:56:12 PM
Not to blame anybody in particular, but I think it's quite possible that some ill-intentioned actor sent the stuff to Infowars for the purpose of framing Alex. If the contraband had originated in-house, I imagine the FBI would have found some evidence of that and made the appropriate arrests.

The way Alex constantly harps on themes of child rape and blood libel on his show, he's practically begging for it.

I thought the child or material was found in items turned over to the prosecution as part of discovery. In which case it would be Alex Jones trying to put child pronography in two prosecution teams hands. Or at least that's the way I thought this was headed.

I don't listen to The Alex Jones Show myself, so the first I heard of the debacle was from mainstream news reports which seemed inconsistent on the details. Then I checked the Knowledge Fight Facebook page, because I figured if anybody had the story straight it would be those guys. 

Turns out the story had initially been broken by Alex Jones himself on his own radio show. On June 14, Alex Jones opened the 4th hour of his show with a special segment about the situation. According to Alex, the FBI had called the Infowars offices to warn the staff they'd discovered CP had been sent to Infowars by some malicious 3rd party via email attachments. Alex said the FBI was considering Infowars a victim because the attachments were found buried in their spam folders and had never been opened on their side.

My own first suspicion was that somebody at Infowars might be into that kind of stuff and may have solicited it from a work computer, and Alex was spinning the situation as a "Globalist" conspiracy in attempt to get out ahead of the story to save face. Then again, I'm personally not inclined to regard Alex Jones, his associates or his operation very charitably.

But as more information has surfaced, it appears that some malicious actor probably did send the stuff to Infowars as a frame-up job. It's also been reported that the plaintiffs in the Sandy Hook case had requested the entire contents of Infowars' email servers as part of the discovery process.

So it looks as if Infowars must have turned that material over to their opposition without ever examining and vetting any of it themselves. So the messages containing the CP were never discovered by the Infowars staff or legal team, and went over to the Sandy Hook legal team along with everything else. I'm guessing the Sandy Hook lawyers must have opened those messages, found the contraband and dutifully called the FBI, who in turn investigated the matter, cleared Infowars of liability, and informed their IT department.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on June 24, 2019, 05:00:09 PM
I think its fair enough that they would not vett spam folders. That sounds like an unreasonable burden.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 24, 2019, 05:21:10 PM
I'm not qualified to comment on legal procedures, but I'm inclined to expect a good law firm would at least try to vet everything before turning it over to the opposition.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: Harry Black on June 24, 2019, 05:34:20 PM
I'm not qualified to comment on legal procedures, but I'm inclined to expect a good law firm would at least try to vet everything before turning it over to the opposition.
Well clearly I dont know much either.
But if it has to be completely vetted before handing over then it seems like cases involving huge amounts of data could take forever. I would have thought the onus is on the side requesting the data to go through it.
Afterall, they are being asked for everything, not just what they have vetted. I wouldnt think this kind of incident is common enough to put that kind of responsibility on them.

All pure speculation though.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 24, 2019, 05:58:44 PM
I didn't think of it as an "onus," just due diligence on the part of defense attorneys to review all the information before they turn it over to the opposition.

Then again, going through all those emails would probably require a ton of man-hours by paralegals and assistants, which will all get billed to the client. And all the lawsuits Alex Jones has racked up have undoubtedly been very expensive for Infowars...

In recent months Alex Jones has invited his lawyers as guests on the show with increasing frequency, which almost seems to imply some quid pro quo to offer radio publicity in exchange for legal fees...

Since he was de-platformed from social media, Alex Jones has been pivoting nearly every segment to an ad pitch or plea for donations. The Infowars store has been offering their products at drastically reduced prices, as if they're trying to clear out stock. And Alex Jones has recently introduced a new revenue stream, an MLM scheme for selling his fake meds...

Alex Jones has also moved his operation from its previous digs into a smaller, cheaper studio with a noticeable dip in audio quality.

Dan Friesen of Knowledge Fight has opined that all this appears to indicate severe economic hardships for the operation.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on June 24, 2019, 08:05:20 PM
The plaintiffs did NOT request the entire contents of Infowars’ servers.  They requested only information relevant to the case at hand. It was the responsibility of Info wars and it’s attorneys to determine which items were relevant and turn them over; instead they sent the entire contents as a fuck-you to the plaintiffs, to increase the burden on them. That was not appropriate behavior, though it was not sanctionable.  If they had done as they were supposed to and send only relevant materials, they would themselves have discovered the pornographic images and they could have reported them themselves. As it is, they (unwittingly, I’m sure) retransmitted the images and left the plaintiff’s attorneys no choice but to report the images.  They did everything exactly as they were supposed to do; it’s Infowars and Alex Jones that have been misbehaving throughout.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on June 25, 2019, 02:53:21 PM
The plaintiffs did NOT request the entire contents of Infowars’ servers.  They requested only information relevant to the case at hand. It was the responsibility of Info wars and it’s attorneys to determine which items were relevant and turn them over; instead they sent the entire contents as a fuck-you to the plaintiffs, to increase the burden on them.

Kind of like the mythical deadbeat dad who, when forced to pay back child support, delivered it in the form of a trash can full of small change covered in motor oil.


That was not appropriate behavior, though it was not sanctionable.  If they had done as they were supposed to and send only relevant materials, they would themselves have discovered the pornographic images and they could have reported them themselves. As it is, they (unwittingly, I’m sure) retransmitted the images and left the plaintiff’s attorneys no choice but to report the images.  They did everything exactly as they were supposed to do; it’s Infowars and Alex Jones that have been misbehaving throughout.

It's obvious just by listening to Alex Jones' show, that the Infowars corporate culture involves performing the absolute minimum due diligence of any task at hand. Despite Alex Jones' frequent boasting about all the "research" he does, it's clear that he doesn't even bother to read past the headlines of the news items he discusses on air.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: stands2reason on July 01, 2019, 05:57:16 PM
The thing that confuses me is that the data in question was described as metadata, which I wouldn't expect to contain attachments. Unless, by metadata they mean thumbnails generated by the email server. It sounds like the lawyers explicitly said they received an illegal image, not just going by a filename in the metadata or something.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: John Albert on July 02, 2019, 03:57:39 AM
When Alex screamed about publishing the "metadata" for armchair investigators to use, I took that to mean the Internet routing data from the email headers (https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-trace-your-emails-back-to-the-source/).

Based on my understanding of email systems, I assume the contraband images were embedded as attachments and possibly linked in the message body via inline HTML. But because the emails were caught by Infowars' spam servers and never opened by a user, the embedded files never got rendered as visual images or stored in any browser caches.
Title: Re: Alex Jones / Info Wars
Post by: The Latinist on July 02, 2019, 08:42:10 AM
As I understand it, the subpoena asked for metadata but Jones’ lawyers sent raw E-mails to make it harder and more expensive for the plaintiff’s team.