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General Discussions => Health, Fitness, Nutrition, and Medicine => Topic started by: John Albert on February 13, 2018, 09:39:11 AM

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Post by: John Albert on February 13, 2018, 09:39:11 AM
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Post by: CarbShark on February 13, 2018, 01:37:29 PM
That's fun, but Dr. House is the most trusted and professional?

Seriously?  First, he was a diagnostician, and rarely followed established guidelines for diagnoses, but usually got to the correct diagnosis eventually (easier to do in scripted television than life).

Plus, if I remember correctly, in the final season, didn't he completely disregard standard of care for cancer in favor of an extreme alternative treatment that hadn't been tested on humans, and force the treatment on a patient without consent?

I think the one TV doctor who should occupy that top right corner:

(https://parade.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/laura-innes-then.jpg)

 Dr. Kerry Weaver (Laura Innes) on "ER."

She always followed standard of care, and even did clinical trials on the show.

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Post by: John Albert on February 13, 2018, 03:27:03 PM
That's fun, but Dr. House is the most trusted and professional?

Seriously?  First, he was a diagnostician, and rarely followed established guidelines for diagnoses, but usually got to the correct diagnosis eventually (easier to do in scripted television than life).

Plus, if I remember correctly, in the final season, didn't he completely disregard standard of care for cancer in favor of an extreme alternative treatment that hadn't been tested on humans, and force the treatment on a patient without consent?

I think the one TV doctor who should occupy that top right corner:

(https://parade.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/laura-innes-then.jpg)

 Dr. Kerry Weaver (Laura Innes) on "ER."

She always followed standard of care, and even did clinical trials on the show.

You want to Photoshop her into the picture, or should I?
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Post by: CarbShark on February 13, 2018, 04:37:09 PM
Help yourself.

Any other TV or Movie doctors should be included or excluded?
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Post by: Friendly Angel on February 13, 2018, 04:55:37 PM
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Post by: CarbShark on February 13, 2018, 05:09:49 PM
Friendly Angel picks the friendly doctor


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Post by: werecow on March 31, 2019, 12:53:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DgHOUzQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FyUCKDP.jpg)
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Post by: daniel1948 on March 31, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
Why is Dr. Pepper in the "Run away" category? I like Dr. Pepper.

And I love werecow's chocolate syrup water bottle!!!!

I would not trust any tv doctor with my life. They are actors, for crissake! Or, at best, they don't exist. I have quite literally trusted doctors with my life, specifically when undergoing surgery, including heart surgery. But I also trust hiking guides with my life, and so far, they've always come through for me. Note: I do not do high-risk hiking, but there's always some risk. But back to doctors, I would not trust anyone who lacks a proper medical degree to perform any medical procedure on me, nor would I take medical advice from anyone without a proper medical degree. Beyond that, I don't have a lot to go on. I pretty much have to trust to the medical degree and medical license. Testimonials are worthless because my friends, whose honesty I trust, are not competent to assess a doctor's abilities.
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Post by: Harry Black on March 31, 2019, 06:34:01 PM
Im so glad someone corrected that graphic. I was about to make a life endangering decision based on my misconception that Dr House sets a reasonable standard for medical practice.
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Post by: CarbShark on March 31, 2019, 09:39:53 PM
Im so glad someone corrected that graphic. I was about to make a life endangering decision based on my misconception that Dr House sets a reasonable standard for medical practice.

Skeptics save the day! (Again)


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Post by: bachfiend on March 31, 2019, 11:21:18 PM
Help yourself.

Any other TV or Movie doctors should be included or excluded?

What about Dr Strangelove?  Not medically qualified, but possibly someone one ought to take advice from, particularly if there’s an end of the world situation.
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Post by: werecow on April 01, 2019, 08:47:30 AM
I'd probably go with Doc Martin (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408381/). He has zero bedside manner and social skills, and a blood phobia, but he seems pretty solid as a physician.
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Post by: CarbShark on April 01, 2019, 01:50:19 PM
I'd probably go with Doc Martin (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408381/). He has zero bedside manner and social skills, and a blood phobia, but he seems pretty solid as a physician.

Except for all that fainting at the sight of blood stuff.
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Post by: bachfiend on April 01, 2019, 03:00:01 PM
I'd probably go with Doc Martin (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408381/). He has zero bedside manner and social skills, and a blood phobia, but he seems pretty solid as a physician.

It must be too early in the morning for me, but I initially thought you were referring to Dr Martens:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Martens

Definitely not medically qualified.  And one should definitely not take advice from a piece of footwear.
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Post by: werecow on April 01, 2019, 04:12:31 PM
I'd probably go with Doc Martin (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408381/). He has zero bedside manner and social skills, and a blood phobia, but he seems pretty solid as a physician.

Except for all that fainting at the sight of blood stuff.

He mostly just hurls though, and rarely on the patient.
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Post by: John Albert on April 02, 2019, 05:51:33 AM
Im so glad someone corrected that graphic. I was about to make a life endangering decision based on my misconception that Dr House sets a reasonable standard for medical practice.

Dr. House is basically Sherlock Holmes recast as a physician. As such, he's supposed to operate according to an almost supernatural level of proficiency so advanced that even his closest associates are totally baffled by his brilliance.
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Post by: Harry Black on April 02, 2019, 07:51:49 AM
Im so glad someone corrected that graphic. I was about to make a life endangering decision based on my misconception that Dr House sets a reasonable standard for medical practice.

Dr. House is basically Sherlock Holmes recast as a physician. As such, he's supposed to operate according to an almost supernatural level of proficiency so advanced that even his closest associates are totally baffled by his brilliance.
To be clear, I was ridiculing the idea that anyone would feel the need to point out that he does not follow best practice.
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 02, 2019, 09:08:11 AM
Im so glad someone corrected that graphic. I was about to make a life endangering decision based on my misconception that Dr House sets a reasonable standard for medical practice.

Dr. House is basically Sherlock Holmes recast as a physician. As such, he's supposed to operate according to an almost supernatural level of proficiency so advanced that even his closest associates are totally baffled by his brilliance.

It always amuses me when people marvel at the brilliance of Sherlock Holmes. (Absolutely not referring to anyone here, but I've known people like this.) The books are well-constructed and enjoyable, but Holmes' "brilliance" is all artificial, constructed as it is by the author, who can work backwards from a solution to invent clues appropriate to the literary purpose. The same is true of Dr. House, though Hugh Laurie is a good actor.

The people to admire are the authors, for inventing fun stories and telling them well, not the characters, who are mere inventions.
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Post by: John Albert on April 05, 2019, 11:56:12 AM
It always amuses me when people marvel at the brilliance of Sherlock Holmes.

In the superhuman brain of Sherlock Holmes, an argument from omniscience (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holmesian_fallacy) is the pinnacle of sound deduction: "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Unfortunately, that's not how reasoning works in real life.


To be clear, I was ridiculing the idea that anyone would feel the need to point out that he does not follow best practice.

Of course he doesn't have to follow best practices. He's Dr. Gregory House!
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Post by: xenu on April 05, 2019, 01:01:47 PM
There are times when Dr.House almost kills his patients before finally curing them.
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 05, 2019, 01:53:36 PM
The make-believe healing method I like better than having a super-genius doctor would be getting bitten by a werewolf, becoming a werewolf, and then every time I change all my illnesses and injuries are healed. Of course I'd want to be the kind of werewolf who does not become a mindless killer who cannot remember what the wolf did.
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Post by: werecow on April 05, 2019, 03:49:58 PM
The make-believe healing method I like better than having a super-genius doctor would be getting bitten by a werewolf, becoming a werewolf, and then every time I change all my illnesses and injuries are healed. Of course I'd want to be the kind of werewolf who does not become a mindless killer who cannot remember what the wolf did.

Become a werecow! I have vivid memories of every lawn and baby I consume for days after.
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 05, 2019, 05:39:39 PM
The make-believe healing method I like better than having a super-genius doctor would be getting bitten by a werewolf, becoming a werewolf, and then every time I change all my illnesses and injuries are healed. Of course I'd want to be the kind of werewolf who does not become a mindless killer who cannot remember what the wolf did.

Become a werecow! I have vivid memories of every lawn and baby I consume for days after.

With all due respect, I'd rather be an animal that runs through the moonlit forest than one that stands around all day chewing its cud and shitting wherever it happens to be standing.  ::)   :laugh:
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Post by: werecow on April 05, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
Hey, we can jump over the moooon, okay.
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 05, 2019, 09:40:37 PM
Hey, we can jump over the moooon, okay.

That's fine for you. I'd get space sick.
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 05, 2019, 09:43:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/G0yLqBL.gif)
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 06, 2019, 12:40:57 PM
Become a werecow! I have vivid memories of every lawn and baby I consume for days after.

This actually reminded me of something I wrote a long time ago, circa 1989, when I was protesting the nuclear weapons in North Dakota, where I lived at the time. And just this morning while going through papers I found a copy of it:

And I had personal experience of cows because I worked on a dairy farm.

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The barnyard dairy cow is an indolent and dirty animal. It spends most of its time standing in its pasture, drooling from its nose, and staring stupidly off into the distance. From time to time it lifts its tail and spews its watery dung over the alfalfa. It is more curious than the proverbial cat. Whenever anything new appears in its realm, it ambles over and presses its wet, slimy face against it, covering the object with filth. It is slow to move out of anyone's way. It is tolerated because it gives milk: a mixture of high-grade protein with arterial clog, truly a mixed blessing.

The Minuteman missile is a thirteen-million-dollar genocide machine. The factory that manufactures it shits radioactivity into the ground water and drools sickness and death over the surrounding countryside. The missile stands in its underground silo staring stupidly off into the intercontinental distance. When it is triggered it will transform three large cities into rubble-strewn crematoria. It kills civilians and soldiers all indiscriminately and therefore is a violation of the Geneva Conventions on warfare and a crime against humanity. It's manufacture creates a small number of jobs and a great deal of corporate profit, while clogging the national economy with debt. A questionable blessing indeed.

The Minuteman missiles which infest the fertile plains of North Dakota are truly COWS FROM HELL!
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Post by: Harry Black on April 06, 2019, 01:29:24 PM
Some how lost a kg while out running.
Pretty sure I didn't sweat a litre of fluid😂
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Post by: werecow on April 06, 2019, 03:00:53 PM
Become a werecow! I have vivid memories of every lawn and baby I consume for days after.

This actually reminded me of something I wrote a long time ago, circa 1989, when I was protesting the nuclear weapons in North Dakota, where I lived at the time. And just this morning while going through papers I found a copy of it:

And I had personal experience of cows because I worked on a dairy farm.

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The barnyard dairy cow is an indolent and dirty animal. It spends most of its time standing in its pasture, drooling from its nose, and staring stupidly off into the distance. From time to time it lifts its tail and spews its watery dung over the alfalfa. It is more curious than the proverbial cat. Whenever anything new appears in its realm, it ambles over and presses its wet, slimy face against it, covering the object with filth. It is slow to move out of anyone's way. It is tolerated because it gives milk: a mixture of high-grade protein with arterial clog, truly a mixed blessing.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/4WHkXdDx8wjS0/giphy.gif)
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 06, 2019, 05:24:38 PM
Become a werecow! I have vivid memories of every lawn and baby I consume for days after.

This actually reminded me of something I wrote a long time ago, circa 1989, when I was protesting the nuclear weapons in North Dakota, where I lived at the time. And just this morning while going through papers I found a copy of it:

And I had personal experience of cows because I worked on a dairy farm.

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The barnyard dairy cow is an indolent and dirty animal. It spends most of its time standing in its pasture, drooling from its nose, and staring stupidly off into the distance. From time to time it lifts its tail and spews its watery dung over the alfalfa. It is more curious than the proverbial cat. Whenever anything new appears in its realm, it ambles over and presses its wet, slimy face against it, covering the object with filth. It is slow to move out of anyone's way. It is tolerated because it gives milk: a mixture of high-grade protein with arterial clog, truly a mixed blessing.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/4WHkXdDx8wjS0/giphy.gif)

I am an anti-cow bigot. They're truly disgusting animals. Note, however, that I still don't eat them because their disgustingness is no excuse for treating them cruelly.
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Post by: werecow on April 06, 2019, 05:51:40 PM
Become a werecow! I have vivid memories of every lawn and baby I consume for days after.

This actually reminded me of something I wrote a long time ago, circa 1989, when I was protesting the nuclear weapons in North Dakota, where I lived at the time. And just this morning while going through papers I found a copy of it:

And I had personal experience of cows because I worked on a dairy farm.

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The barnyard dairy cow is an indolent and dirty animal. It spends most of its time standing in its pasture, drooling from its nose, and staring stupidly off into the distance. From time to time it lifts its tail and spews its watery dung over the alfalfa. It is more curious than the proverbial cat. Whenever anything new appears in its realm, it ambles over and presses its wet, slimy face against it, covering the object with filth. It is slow to move out of anyone's way. It is tolerated because it gives milk: a mixture of high-grade protein with arterial clog, truly a mixed blessing.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/4WHkXdDx8wjS0/giphy.gif)

I am an anti-cow bigot. They're truly disgusting animals. Note, however, that I still don't eat them because their disgustingness is no excuse for treating them cruelly.

It's like reading Luther on the jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies). }|:ó(
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 06, 2019, 07:12:10 PM
Become a werecow! I have vivid memories of every lawn and baby I consume for days after.

This actually reminded me of something I wrote a long time ago, circa 1989, when I was protesting the nuclear weapons in North Dakota, where I lived at the time. And just this morning while going through papers I found a copy of it:

And I had personal experience of cows because I worked on a dairy farm.

Quote
The barnyard dairy cow is an indolent and dirty animal. It spends most of its time standing in its pasture, drooling from its nose, and staring stupidly off into the distance. From time to time it lifts its tail and spews its watery dung over the alfalfa. It is more curious than the proverbial cat. Whenever anything new appears in its realm, it ambles over and presses its wet, slimy face against it, covering the object with filth. It is slow to move out of anyone's way. It is tolerated because it gives milk: a mixture of high-grade protein with arterial clog, truly a mixed blessing.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/4WHkXdDx8wjS0/giphy.gif)

I am an anti-cow bigot. They're truly disgusting animals. Note, however, that I still don't eat them because their disgustingness is no excuse for treating them cruelly.

It's like reading Luther on the jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies). }|:ó(

From your link:

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In the treatise, [Luther] argues that Jewish synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes burned, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, ...

I argue that cows, though disgusting, should not be killed or abused in any way, and should not be treated with cruelty. I know you meant that as a joke, but its rather an offensive one, as I oppose all cruelty to animals and I oppose killing them for food or other resources. I merely point out that a cow, up close, is a very disgusting animal. It drools constantly from its snout and it shits in the same pasture where it eats. (Which fertilizes the grass, but is still disgusting.)
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Post by: werecow on April 06, 2019, 08:35:58 PM
Gee, I wish I could relate to how offended you are. >}|:o(
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Post by: xenu on April 06, 2019, 09:54:13 PM
I don't know how a light hearted thread became so serious.   ;) :-\
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Post by: Harry Black on April 07, 2019, 05:48:17 AM
Can we see about keeping this thread for its initial purpose?
I will obviously split the thread if you guys REALLY want to keep going with....whatever is happening.
But I really hate doing it :D
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 07, 2019, 07:28:15 AM
Can we see about keeping this thread for its initial purpose?
I will obviously split the thread if you guys REALLY want to keep going with....whatever is happening.
But I really hate doing it :D

No not necessary.

But what does this mean?:

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>}|:o(

I never got beyond : ) and : ( for that kind of stuff.
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Post by: werecow on April 07, 2019, 09:22:00 AM
That's a cow smiley with additional horns on top of horns to imply anger or evil doing. }|;op
It just looks weird when I do eyebrow frowning: }>:ó(
Although this one would work: }⟩:ó(
But I'm too lazy to learn how to type that ⟩ bracket.

Can we see about keeping this thread for its initial purpose?
I will obviously split the thread if you guys REALLY want to keep going with....whatever is happening.
But I really hate doing it :D

(https://arstechnica.com/civis/download/file.php?id=43789)
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 07, 2019, 09:58:37 AM
That's a cow smiley with additional horns on top of horns to imply anger or evil doing. }|;op
It just looks weird when I do eyebrow frowning: }>:ó(
Although this one would work: }⟩:ó(
But I'm too lazy to learn how to type that ⟩ bracket.

Okay. I haven't the faintest idea how that works, or how to compose or interpret those things, but I'll take your word for it. I get it that the colon represents eyes, and the open parenthesis is a frowning mouth. And a close parenthesis would be a smiling mouth. But I can't see what the letter o is supposed to represent. If the accent mark over it is supposed to be frowning eyebrows, I'd expect that to be over the colon, which is the eyes. If the letter o is the nose, I can't figure out why putting an accent for eyebrows over it makes any sense, since I think the colon is the eyes.

As I said, I'm not a fan of cows, but I oppose the maltreatment of them, and I do not eat them. Isn't eating them, which most people do and which I do not do, a lot worse than calling them names?
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 07, 2019, 11:58:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4MJ6NyD.jpg)
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Post by: lonely moa on April 07, 2019, 02:05:34 PM
Or this

(https://i.imgur.com/DCAAJ9E.jpg)
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Post by: werecow on April 07, 2019, 04:23:16 PM
That's a cow smiley with additional horns on top of horns to imply anger or evil doing. }|;op
It just looks weird when I do eyebrow frowning: }>:ó(
Although this one would work: }⟩:ó(
But I'm too lazy to learn how to type that ⟩ bracket.

Okay. I haven't the faintest idea how that works, or how to compose or interpret those things, but I'll take your word for it. I get it that the colon represents eyes, and the open parenthesis is a frowning mouth. And a close parenthesis would be a smiling mouth. But I can't see what the letter o is supposed to represent. If the accent mark over it is supposed to be frowning eyebrows, I'd expect that to be over the colon, which is the eyes. If the letter o is the nose, I can't figure out why putting an accent for eyebrows over it makes any sense, since I think the colon is the eyes.

Well, like I said, I kind of agree about the brows. Let me "re-evolve" it in steps, maybe it'll be clearer.

Code: [Select]
:( <--- Sad or unhappy smiley
:o( <--- Sad or unhappy smiley with nose
:ó( <--- Sad or unhappy smiley with nose and single tear running down cheek in dramatic fashion
>:( <--- Angry smiley, i.e. with furrowed brow
>:) <--- Evil smiley with devil horns.
>:o( <--- Angry smiley with nose.
>:o) <--- Evil smiley with nose.
}|:o( <--- Sad or unhappy cow with cow snout, neutral brow and horns.
>}|:o) <--- Slightly evil cow with brow, cow horns, and devil horns on top.
}|:ó( <--- Sad or unhappy cow with neutral brow, horns and a tear.
}⟩:ó( <--- Angry or unhappy cow with frowning brow, horns and a tear, but tricky to type because ⟩ is a special character.

}>:ó( <--- Sad or unhappy cow with easier-to-type frowning brow, horns and a tear, but looks stupid somehow because the > is too wide, so I guess at some point I changed it to >}|:ó( instead because it's closer to the evil cow smiley one.

(EDIT: had to wrap in pre tt code or it'd substitute emoticons everywhere)

But you're right, it's kind of weird. I guess I'll have to learn the alt-code for ⟩ at some point. }|:op
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 07, 2019, 04:50:17 PM
Thanks for that explanation. But what's the letter p there at the end?
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Post by: werecow on April 07, 2019, 04:56:33 PM
Code: [Select]
:p or :P

:P

So, tongue, tongue in cheek, maybe joking, funny, sarcastic or ironic. }|:oP

(Tilt your head left)
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Post by: daniel1948 on April 07, 2019, 05:46:34 PM
Ah. So I missed the whole tongue-in cheek thing. You know, this is kind of like a code that only some people know. Kind of like playing Morse code through a loudspeaker. Not everybody will know what you're saying. Anyway, thanks for the explanations.
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Post by: werecow on April 13, 2019, 10:29:38 AM
(https://i.redd.it/smfudse883b11.jpg)
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Post by: John Albert on April 15, 2019, 03:23:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldy4LOgvUCw
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Post by: werecow on April 16, 2019, 03:14:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldy4LOgvUCw

Health, Fitness, "Nutrition", and Medicine.jpg

/me shivers
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Post by: werecow on April 17, 2019, 05:12:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oRLOvwol.jpg)
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Post by: Ron Obvious on April 27, 2019, 08:17:33 PM
Love it. Better not let the notoriously litigious Tolkien Enterprises (or whatever they're called these days) know the name of the dentist, though.  :D
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Post by: werecow on April 28, 2019, 06:26:38 PM
So close:

(https://i.imgur.com/2AFB6WXl.jpg)

/me twitches
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Post by: stands2reason on May 12, 2019, 09:44:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nXUxvxC.png)
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Post by: lonely moa on May 13, 2019, 04:33:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nXUxvxC.png)

Could have read "MDs Baffled: Simple stretch relieves years of back pain.

No surgery, drugs or endless expensive doctors visits.  The child pose (and upward dog) has kept my back happy for half a century.
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Post by: werecow on May 16, 2019, 08:54:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/kR35SPo.png)
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Post by: RubyDuckman on May 28, 2019, 01:54:10 PM
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Post by: lonely moa on May 29, 2019, 02:42:41 AM
I'd pay more attention to Dr Death.  Someone to be avoided.
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Post by: John Albert on May 29, 2019, 04:09:40 AM
Dr. Phil ought to be way closer to "No Professional Training" and "Run Very Far." 
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Post by: CarbShark on May 29, 2019, 10:29:41 AM
Dr Phil has a PhD in clinical psychology


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Post by: John Albert on May 30, 2019, 05:17:55 AM
Dr Phil has a PhD in clinical psychology

I stand corrected.

But I still contend that he should be much closer to the "Run Very Far" end of the spectrum.
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Post by: bachfiend on May 30, 2019, 06:35:34 AM
Dr Phil has a PhD in clinical psychology


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Dr Phil might be a reasonable person to consult if you’ve got psychological problems (provided he’s kept up his continuing education to maintain his expertise, which might not include all of the broad sweep of clinical psychology), but he’s not the person to consult regarding general or even specialized medical problems.

Consulting specialists in fields other than their restricted area of expertise isn’t a good idea.
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Post by: John Albert on May 30, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
Regardless of his credentials, he's given out so much harmful advice on so many subjects that I don't consider him worthy of consultation for any serious issue at all.
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Post by: bachfiend on May 30, 2019, 07:40:48 AM
Regardless of his credentials, he's given out so much harmful advice on so many subjects that I don't consider him worthy of consultation for any serious issue at all.

Maybe, if you’ve got psychological problems?  Although, it’s probably an oxymoron stating that if you were considering consulting Dr Phil that you didn’t have serious psychological problems.
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Post by: CarbShark on May 30, 2019, 11:36:53 AM
Dr Phil has a PhD in clinical psychology

I stand corrected.

But I still contend that he should be much closer to the "Run Very Far" end of the spectrum.
Agreed


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Post by: CarbShark on May 30, 2019, 11:38:09 AM
Regardless of his credentials, he's given out so much harmful advice on so many subjects that I don't consider him worthy of consultation for any serious issue at all.

Maybe, if you’ve got psychological problems?  Although, it’s probably an oxymoron stating that if you were considering consulting Dr Phil that you didn’t have serious psychological problems.
Sounds like a corollary to Catch-22 


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Post by: John Albert on May 30, 2019, 06:06:39 PM
Regardless of his credentials, he's given out so much harmful advice on so many subjects that I don't consider him worthy of consultation for any serious issue at all.

Maybe, if you’ve got psychological problems?  Although, it’s probably an oxymoron stating that if you were considering consulting Dr Phil that you didn’t have serious psychological problems.

It's a bad idea to take his advice on any problem, psychological or otherwise.

But millions and millions of people still hang on his every word because he's on TV, and especially because he's a friend of Oprah.
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Post by: CarbShark on May 30, 2019, 06:43:10 PM
Regardless of his credentials, he's given out so much harmful advice on so many subjects that I don't consider him worthy of consultation for any serious issue at all.

Maybe, if you’ve got psychological problems?  Although, it’s probably an oxymoron stating that if you were considering consulting Dr Phil that you didn’t have serious psychological problems.

It's a bad idea to take his advice on any problem, psychological or otherwise.

But millions and millions of people still hang on his every word because he's on TV, and especially because he's a friend of Oprah.

Apparently, back in the day, he gave really good advice on jury selection, and jury observations, where he and his team would study the jury during a trial and help their side improve their storytelling and tactics.

That's how he and Oprah became BFFs. He helped her win a jury trial her own legal team told her they were likely to lose.

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Post by: John Albert on May 31, 2019, 06:41:44 PM
Apparently, back in the day, he gave really good advice on jury selection, and jury observations, where he and his team would study the jury during a trial and help their side improve their storytelling and tactics.

That's how he and Oprah became BFFs. He helped her win a jury trial her own legal team told her they were likely to lose.

Okay, so I'll concede that jury selection may or may not have been one thing which he was really good at giving advice about.

But on his TV show he's also given loads of arbitrary, highly biased, scientifically invalid, sometimes bigoted, and potentially life-ruining advice on countless issues to millions of people.
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Post by: CarbShark on May 31, 2019, 07:05:18 PM
Apparently, back in the day, he gave really good advice on jury selection, and jury observations, where he and his team would study the jury during a trial and help their side improve their storytelling and tactics.

That's how he and Oprah became BFFs. He helped her win a jury trial her own legal team told her they were likely to lose.

Okay, so I'll concede that jury selection may or may not have been one thing which he was really good at giving advice about.

But on his TV show he's also given loads of arbitrary, highly biased, scientifically invalid, sometimes bigoted, and potentially life-ruining advice on countless issues to millions of people.


No disagreement there. I'd say he's about on par with Dr. Oz. Well trained but dangerous. (Although, I hear that as a physician Dr. Oz give his patients good care. I haven't heard the same thing about Dr. Phil.)
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Post by: John Albert on June 02, 2019, 09:41:07 PM
If you really dig into the substance of their respective advice, Dr. Oz is probably even worse than Dr. Phil. But who really wants to be the judge of a turd contest?
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Post by: CarbShark on June 02, 2019, 10:59:44 PM
There’s probably a difference between what Dr Oz does on TV and his medical practice




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Post by: John Albert on June 02, 2019, 11:05:38 PM
There’s probably a difference between what Dr Oz does on TV and his medical practice

I'd rather not take the risk of finding out.
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Post by: John Albert on June 28, 2019, 06:47:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bJjo5lG.jpg)
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Post by: John Albert on June 30, 2019, 05:00:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qhVHqnG.jpg)
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Post by: Harry Black on June 30, 2019, 05:10:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qhVHqnG.jpg)
Wtaf?
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Post by: John Albert on June 30, 2019, 05:20:38 PM
Yeah, I can only hope that the copperhead snake bite post was not seriously requesting medical advice, because if that's the case then somebody probably died as a consequence.
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Post by: CarbShark on June 30, 2019, 05:29:00 PM
Yeah, I can only hope that the copperhead snake bite post was not seriously requesting medical advice, because if that's the case then somebody probably died as a consequence.
Probably not. Unless they had an allergic reaction.

But they would have been sicker longer.


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Post by: lonely moa on July 01, 2019, 03:49:37 AM
After successfully treating with antivenin, many (most?) people experience serious infectious problems from pathogenic bacteria from the snake. 

Dr Tommy Wood describes his encounter with a Fleur de Lance in Costa Rica, somewhere...  It wasn't pleasant.

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Post by: John Albert on July 01, 2019, 04:11:54 AM
After successfully treating with antivenin, many (most?) people experience serious infectious problems from pathogenic bacteria from the snake.

Indeed. Besides the potential for venom, the snake bites often become infected if not properly treated.

Add to that the possibility of other negative consequences that might result from the application of anti-scientific quack "cures."
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Post by: CarbShark on July 01, 2019, 11:05:34 AM
After successfully treating with antivenin, many (most?) people experience serious infectious problems from pathogenic bacteria from the snake. 

Dr Tommy Wood describes his encounter with a Fleur de Lance in Costa Rica, somewhere...  It wasn't pleasant.

I don’t believe there is a anti-venom for the copperhead snake in use.




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Post by: John Albert on July 02, 2019, 03:39:25 AM
I'm no herpetologist, but I still think it's potentially deadly advice to direct snakebite victims away from emergency rooms. That was the whole point of the picture (https://i.imgur.com/qhVHqnG.jpg), as well as my follow-up comments.
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Post by: CarbShark on July 02, 2019, 11:32:27 AM
Probably better to have said just that then rather than make false statements.


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Post by: Harry Black on July 02, 2019, 11:37:54 AM
What false statements did John Albert make?
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Post by: wastrel on July 02, 2019, 11:46:42 AM
So confused by the turn this took. 
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Post by: CarbShark on July 02, 2019, 11:51:36 AM
Yeah, I can only hope that the copperhead snake bite post was not seriously requesting medical advice, because if that's the case then somebody probably died as a consequence.
This is false.

Bites from copperheads are very rarely fatal.




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Post by: John Albert on July 02, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
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Post by: SnarlPatrick on July 03, 2019, 12:37:26 PM
Does anyone know about using Tumeric as an anti-inflammatory for joint, muscle, and back pain? I saw some promotion for it and I'm going to give it a try. I hope I haven't just fallen for a scam. Only 7 bucks though.
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Post by: lonely moa on July 03, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
Does anyone know about using Tumeric as an anti-inflammatory for joint, muscle, and back pain? I saw some promotion for it and I'm going to give it a try. I hope I haven't just fallen for a scam. Only 7 bucks though.

I take one capsule of the local (NZ) brand daily.  It has helped  the osteoarthritis in my left ankle.  It certainly hasn't cured it, of course, but has mitigated the chronic pain and increased mobility.

I think I might send away for a liposomal brand, though.  It seems that a study shows that (like other micronutrients) that fat helps  absorption by the body,
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Post by: arthwollipot on July 03, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
Does anyone know about using Tumeric as an anti-inflammatory for joint, muscle, and back pain? I saw some promotion for it and I'm going to give it a try. I hope I haven't just fallen for a scam. Only 7 bucks though.

It's delicious in a curry. There's little to no evidence of health benefits (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/turmeric-tasty-in-curry-questionable-as-medicine/).

Yeah, you've been had. I just checked the website of a major Australian supermarket chain (https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/search/products?searchTerm=turmeric). Turmeric from the culinary aisle costs $4.89 for a 10g bottle. A similarly-sized bottle of supplemental turmeric capsules costs $17.00.
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Post by: SnarlPatrick on July 03, 2019, 10:58:28 PM
Apparently, it needs to be paired with peppercorn to be meaningfully bioavailable. That and capsuling them would justify some price difference from cooking Tumeric. Assuming it's true. My markup wasn't as bad.
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Post by: arthwollipot on July 04, 2019, 01:11:18 AM
Apparently, it needs to be paired with peppercorn to be meaningfully bioavailable. That and capsuling them would justify some price difference from cooking Tumeric. Assuming it's true. My markup wasn't as bad.

Can confirm that turmeric and pepper are absolutely delicious in a curry. Try also a little cumin and diced birdseye chilli. Remove the seeds if you don't want it too fiery.
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Post by: Noisy Rhysling on July 04, 2019, 04:38:19 AM
https://harmreduction.org/issues/overdose-prevention/overview/overdose-basics/understanding-naloxone/
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Post by: lonely moa on July 04, 2019, 05:33:06 AM
Apparently, it needs to be paired with peppercorn to be meaningfully bioavailable. That and capsuling them would justify some price difference from cooking Tumeric. Assuming it's true. My markup wasn't as bad.

It's cheap and safe enough to see if it works for you. It keeps me mobile. Piperine increases bioavailability of the curcumin up to 2000% and a quick Google search will nearly always find something to support one's predilections.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535097/

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Subsequent to the first seminal paper published in 1949 in Nature, numerous preclinical studies have provided a solid basis for examining curcumin’s efficacy against human diseases. As discussed in this review, curcumin has shown therapeutic potential against a number of human diseases. Common to all of these studies have been the safety, tolerability, and non-toxicity of this polyphenol, even at doses up to 8 g per day. The underlying mechanism for curcumin’s clinical efficacy seems to be modulation of numerous signaling molecules. However, because of the complex nature of the diseases, the underlying mechanism in many cases remains unclear./quote]
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Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on July 09, 2019, 12:04:41 PM
Neat presentation about evaluating health-correlates of gut micriobiomes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsR9H62vcvg

Not a topic I've read up on but it looks interesting as hell
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Post by: Friendly Angel on July 13, 2019, 01:56:00 PM
OK, without cheating... know who this is?  Top photo is her 103rd birthday a few weeks ago.

(https://img.r7.com/images/olivia-de-havilland-05072019111648280?dimensions=660x360)

(https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/IiPk9kpTURBXy9iYmI4OGIxNTg2MWQ4OTVlM2I4MDE5ZTA0Y2ExMTk5OC5qcGeSlQLNA8AAwsOVAgDNA8DCw4GhMAU)
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Post by: wastrel on July 13, 2019, 01:59:35 PM
I do not.
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Post by: Harry Black on July 13, 2019, 02:10:42 PM
Now THAT is a vibrant looking 103 year old!
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Post by: Ron Obvious on July 13, 2019, 09:28:29 PM
Vera Lynn?
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Post by: CarbShark on July 13, 2019, 09:52:43 PM
Only see one photo... she would have been born in 1916.. Would have been 20 in 1936... Olivia De Havilland? She's still around.
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Post by: Friendly Angel on July 14, 2019, 10:07:19 AM
Indeed, she is OdH.  Links to photos:

https://img.r7.com/images/olivia-de-havilland-05072019111648280?dimensions=660x360

https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/IiPk9kpTURBXy9iYmI4OGIxNTg2MWQ4OTVlM2I4MDE5ZTA0Y2ExMTk5OC5qcGeSlQLNA8AAwsOVAgDNA8DCw4GhMAU
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Post by: John Albert on August 23, 2019, 05:31:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9Q3zo0i.jpg)
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Post by: bachfiend on August 23, 2019, 05:50:45 PM
Off topic (the previous one from eatliver.com was too):

https://www.eatliver.com/trump-vs-greenland/
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Post by: RubyDuckman on August 26, 2019, 08:06:51 PM
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Post by: xenu on August 27, 2019, 10:31:12 AM
Anyone here lacto intolerant? I'm finding that the older I get the less dairy I can eat without spending the next day or so in the bathroom. (I know TMI) I work out a lot and I am finding my weight dropping becomes my primary source of food is dairy or dairy related. I don't really want to increase my meat consumption but I might have to. Ideas ? Just looking for food ideas.
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Post by: stands2reason on August 27, 2019, 11:38:43 AM
Anyone here lacto intolerant? I'm finding that the older I get the less dairy I can eat without spending the next day or so in the bathroom. (I know TMI) I work out a lot and I am finding my weight dropping becomes my primary source of food is dairy or dairy related. I don't really want to increase my meat consumption but I might have to. Ideas ? Just looking for food ideas.

I imagine lactose intolerance onset at such age is very unusual and would question if you are sure it is specifically lactose. That said, one can develop a distate for dairy. If you are describing an incident where you felt nauseous, and associated it with the taste of dairy, then you will have that reaction unless you unlearn it. It can happen with pretty much any kind of food.

Rarely had occasion to try lactose-free milk, except the enzyme breaks down the lactose in a way that makes it rather sweet. I drink a lot of soymilk on occasion (unsweetened, high fat variety). I don't know about non-dairy cheese, but I'd like to see more competitive non-dairy yogurt. That's stuff better than the real thing.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 27, 2019, 01:06:03 PM
Anyone here lacto intolerant? I'm finding that the older I get the less dairy I can eat without spending the next day or so in the bathroom. (I know TMI) I work out a lot and I am finding my weight dropping becomes my primary source of food is dairy or dairy related. I don't really want to increase my meat consumption but I might have to. Ideas ? Just looking for food ideas.
Milk, cream, ice cream and yoghurt will have me sprinting to the bathroom within 5minutes and making return trips for the next day (I'll see your TMI and raise you :P) whether its lactose free or not. Goats milk is the same as cows milk for me but better for some Im told.

I can tolerate butter and hard to medium cheese with zero problem though so maybe check that out first?

I dont have many issues though, I drink about a pint of soy milk a day, eat at least 2 soy yoghurts. The Icecream is nice but melts very fast. Vegetable spreads are a fine replacement for butter in most cases.

I could never drink milk but used to eat icecream and yoghurt until I was 17 and started doing crazy amounts of cardio training and it gave me cramps. It fucks me up way more now than it did then.
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Post by: CarbShark on August 27, 2019, 02:39:37 PM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.




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Post by: Harry Black on August 27, 2019, 03:34:33 PM
I suspect it might be whey with myself but who knows?
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Post by: CarbShark on August 27, 2019, 03:45:45 PM
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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Post by: Harry Black on August 27, 2019, 03:51:34 PM
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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No idea. The protein supplement gives me cramps though.

Doesnt really explain why the result with milk (even lactose free milk) is so immediate though.
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Post by: xenu on August 27, 2019, 04:28:32 PM
I used to eat a bowl of ice cream every night but starting about a year or so ago I started with the TMI thing. Went to a specialist and did the bore scope and came up clean. The Doc did say that some people as they get older do have problems with lactose. I am on the lactode free milk and all to see how much I can tolerate now. It sucks I really like ice cream, cheese and pizza. There is a supplement that you can take when you eat milk that is suppose to help with it but I am trying to figure out how much I can tolerate if that is in effect what is going on.

So far I have replaced Milk with lactose free milk for breakfast. No cheese on my sandwich and no yogurt. No pizza( >:() or ice cream at night. I'm going to wait and see if I get( TMI) better.

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Post by: werecow on August 28, 2019, 07:41:05 AM
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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No idea. The protein supplement gives me cramps though.

Doesnt really explain why the result with milk (even lactose free milk) is so immediate though.

A colleague of mine had a whey intolerance, but it took a long time to figure that out since it apparently presented itself several days later with hayfever-like symptoms (runny nose, in particular). Apparently it can lead to excess mucus production.
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Post by: Harry Black on August 28, 2019, 08:20:52 AM
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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No idea. The protein supplement gives me cramps though.

Doesnt really explain why the result with milk (even lactose free milk) is so immediate though.

A colleague of mine had a whey intolerance, but it took a long time to figure that out since it apparently presented itself several days later with hayfever-like symptoms (runny nose, in particular). Apparently it can lead to excess mucus production.
Hmm. That sounds quite odd. My mother claims the same symptoms but I put it down to seeing connections that arent there.
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Post by: werecow on August 28, 2019, 10:22:57 PM
Interesting. They do sell a whey protein isolate.

Is whey sensitivity a thing?


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No idea. The protein supplement gives me cramps though.

Doesnt really explain why the result with milk (even lactose free milk) is so immediate though.

A colleague of mine had a whey intolerance, but it took a long time to figure that out since it apparently presented itself several days later with hayfever-like symptoms (runny nose, in particular). Apparently it can lead to excess mucus production.
Hmm. That sounds quite odd. My mother claims the same symptoms but I put it down to seeing connections that arent there.
IIRC he only made the connection because his GP did. FWIW it fits with some of the milder symptoms mentioned here (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/milk-allergy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375101), for example.
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Post by: bachfiend on August 29, 2019, 12:08:41 AM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.




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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.  When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.  Lactose tolerance evolved over time, as people bred better dairy cows and better dairy practices.
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Post by: jt512 on August 29, 2019, 01:03:47 AM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.
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Post by: bachfiend on August 29, 2019, 01:20:14 AM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘
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Post by: jt512 on August 29, 2019, 01:57:57 AM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).
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Post by: xenu on August 29, 2019, 09:25:01 AM
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Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective   

Thanks I wasn't sure if they worked or not
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Post by: bachfiend on August 29, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).

Not necessarily.  When humans first started herding cattle for milk, adult human diets contained no lactose.  Their bowel bacteria wouldn’t have been able to metabolise the lactose.  Lactase splits lactose, so that the galactose and glucose can be absorbed in the small intestine.  If the lactose isn’t split, and isn’t metabolised by bowel bacteria in the large intestine, then the lactose would have little effect.

When adults started to drink milk, the bacteria able to metabolise lactose gained a selective advantage.  And lactase producing adults gained an advantage compared to non-lactase producers.

You don’t have lactose intolerance.  You have intolerance to your lactose metabolising bowel bacteria.
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Post by: jt512 on August 29, 2019, 08:05:52 PM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).

Not necessarily.  When humans first started herding cattle for milk, adult human diets contained no lactose.  Their bowel bacteria wouldn’t have been able to metabolise the lactose.  Lactase splits lactose, so that the galactose and glucose can be absorbed in the small intestine.  If the lactose isn’t split, and isn’t metabolised by bowel bacteria in the large intestine, then the lactose would have little effect.

When adults started to drink milk, the bacteria able to metabolise lactose gained a selective advantage.  And lactase producing adults gained an advantage compared to non-lactase producers.


I know all that.  I was arguing with the claim that a glass of milk a day would not have been a problem for lactose-intolerant ancestors.  It's an order of magnitude more milk than I can tolerate.
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Post by: CarbShark on August 29, 2019, 08:16:47 PM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).

Not necessarily.  When humans first started herding cattle for milk, adult human diets contained no lactose.  Their bowel bacteria wouldn’t have been able to metabolise the lactose.  Lactase splits lactose, so that the galactose and glucose can be absorbed in the small intestine.  If the lactose isn’t split, and isn’t metabolised by bowel bacteria in the large intestine, then the lactose would have little effect.

When adults started to drink milk, the bacteria able to metabolise lactose gained a selective advantage.  And lactase producing adults gained an advantage compared to non-lactase producers.


I know all that.  I was arguing with the claim that a glass of milk a day would not have been a problem for lactose-intolerant ancestors.  It's an order of magnitude more milk than I can tolerate.

The enzyme that allows for adults to digest lactose is only present in a portion of the human population. (Mostly the areas where cattle were first domesticated).
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Post by: bachfiend on August 29, 2019, 08:29:42 PM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).

Not necessarily.  When humans first started herding cattle for milk, adult human diets contained no lactose.  Their bowel bacteria wouldn’t have been able to metabolise the lactose.  Lactase splits lactose, so that the galactose and glucose can be absorbed in the small intestine.  If the lactose isn’t split, and isn’t metabolised by bowel bacteria in the large intestine, then the lactose would have little effect.

When adults started to drink milk, the bacteria able to metabolise lactose gained a selective advantage.  And lactase producing adults gained an advantage compared to non-lactase producers.


I know all that.  I was arguing with the claim that a glass of milk a day would not have been a problem for lactose-intolerant ancestors.  It's an order of magnitude more milk than I can tolerate.

Just because you can’t tolerate 20 ml of milk (which would be an order of magnitude less than a glass of milk of around 200 ml), does not mean that everyone with lactose intolerance wouldn’t be able to tolerate 20 ml of milk.  Or that the early pastoralists wouldn’t have been able to tolerate similar volumes of milk.  Or even greater volumes of milk.
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Post by: bachfiend on August 29, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
I think I have the same issue and it gets worse as I get older.

But I don’t think it’s lactose for me. Cream has very little lactose.

I was having digestion issues that gradually became worse. I tried an elimination protocol and as soon as I stopped drinking coffee the issue went away. So I knew it was the coffee or the cream. I added cream back and the issue returned immediately. Stopped all cream and had coffee again and the issue went away again.

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Well, cream does contain lactose.  Around 3%, about the same as whole milk. 

Cream wouldn’t normally cause problems for a lactose intolerant person, unless they were drinking a lot of cream.  Most people would be consuming little cream in coffee.

I can probably tolerate one cup of coffee with cream, but no more.  For sure, lattes and cappucinos are out.  I started to become lactose intolerant 30 years ago, and it has become progressively worse.

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When humans first started herding cows for milk, and by definition were lactose intolerant, they wouldn’t have had problems since they’d be only drinking the equivalent of a glass of milk a day.

Says who?  If I drink a glass of milk in the morning, I'm crippled with gas and bloating for the rest of the day.

Note to fellow lactose intolerants: Lactase pills (branded "Lactaid" in the US) are pretty effective.

Says Johannes Krause and Thomas Trappe in ‚die Reise unserer Gene.  Eine Geschichte über uns und unsere Vorfahren.‘

Dann labern sie nur Scheiße (meiner Meinung nach).

Not necessarily.  When humans first started herding cattle for milk, adult human diets contained no lactose.  Their bowel bacteria wouldn’t have been able to metabolise the lactose.  Lactase splits lactose, so that the galactose and glucose can be absorbed in the small intestine.  If the lactose isn’t split, and isn’t metabolised by bowel bacteria in the large intestine, then the lactose would have little effect.

When adults started to drink milk, the bacteria able to metabolise lactose gained a selective advantage.  And lactase producing adults gained an advantage compared to non-lactase producers.


I know all that.  I was arguing with the claim that a glass of milk a day would not have been a problem for lactose-intolerant ancestors.  It's an order of magnitude more milk than I can tolerate.

The enzyme that allows for adults to digest lactose is only present in a portion of the human population. (Mostly the areas where cattle were first domesticated).

The geographic distribution of lactose malabsorption:

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/cms/attachment/4d4a380a-ddf6-4273-87fc-f491e6379c45/gr2.jpg
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Post by: John Albert on September 18, 2019, 03:33:20 AM
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Post by: John Albert on October 01, 2019, 07:47:04 AM
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Post by: stands2reason on October 04, 2019, 12:25:01 PM
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https://www.cpr.org/2019/09/25/colorado-now-has-eight-cases-of-vape-illness-polis-says-the-state-is-looking-for-a-fix/

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Department of Public Health and Environment to see what it can do. 

A wave of the illness associated with e-cigarettes has swept the nation, causing more than 500 cases in 38 states and 11 reported deaths. There are now eight cases of confirmed or probable vaping-related illness in the state, according to the state health department.  Six of those patients have been hospitalized.

Polis said other possible measures, like Tobacco-21 -- raising the legal purchase age for e-cigarette products from 18 to 21 -- would require legislative approval. A ballot measure to raise taxes on vaping products would need voter approval. A proposal for lawmakers to refer a hefty tax increase on nicotine and tobacco to the ballot failed in Colorado’s General Assembly last spring.

Governors in other states have issued sweeping orders, such as a four-month ban on the sale of all vaping products in Massachusetts, or a ban on flavored e-cigarettes in Michigan.

Polis says, unlike some other states, Colorado law limits what he can do under his direction.

“There’s things that other states’ governors have done that are not in my authority to do,” he said. He said the state will explore what’s within its legal authority to do.   

More than 500 cities and counties in 30 states, including 10 local governments in Colorado, have raised the legal age to purchase vaping product to 21.  Eighteen states have done the same.

“It’s not something the governor can do, but if it’s something legislators want to work on, we’re happy to work with them on that concept,” Polis said.

Polis made clear he supports “closing the vaping loophole,” which exempts vape products from a tobacco tax. He said bringing the tax proposal back is “something we haven’t given up on. We’re hoping to pursue it.”

Colorado topped the nation for teen vaping in a survey of more than three dozen states last year.

Of the cases of vape-related illness in Colorado since August, two involved just marijuana, three were nicotine only and two involved both nicotine and marijuana.  One is still under investigation. Three of the cases were in Denver, two in Boulder and one each in Arapahoe, Jefferson and Weld counties. The median age of the cases is 18. 

Cigarettes Rule Everything Around Me  >:D
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Post by: John Albert on October 04, 2019, 02:57:48 PM
Vape products should be subject to the same taxes as any other nicotine products. And they should all be subjected to safety testing before being allowed on the market.
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Post by: xenu on October 04, 2019, 06:04:51 PM
Saw this article from the Mayo clinic on vaping.

 https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-vaping-mayo-clinic-toxic-inhalation-20191003-4yn4aw7el5blffjtqxjnxg3bdu-story.html   (https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/ct-vaping-mayo-clinic-toxic-inhalation-20191003-4yn4aw7el5blffjtqxjnxg3bdu-story.html)

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New Mayo Clinic research suggests that the nation’s outbreak of vaping-related lung injuries is due to people inhaling toxic substances — akin to workers who breathe fumes from chemical spills, or World War I soldiers exposed to mustard gas.
The finding by Mayo’s pathology lab in Arizona is based on the first-ever examination of 17 biopsies of patients with vaping-associated lung injuries. While the role of chemical inhalation might sound obvious, Dr. Brandon Larsen, a surgical pathologist at Mayo Clinic Arizona, said the finding is important because it contradicts a popular theory that these cases were due to oil or lipid contamination in the lungs.


“It seems to be some kind of direct chemical injury, similar to what one might see with exposures to toxic chemical fumes, poisonous gases and toxic agents,” said Larsen, who reported the findings Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

While the 17 biopsies found macrophages — white blood cells that are dispatched to eat harmful contaminants — they found no presence of large deposits of oil or lipids (a kind of fatty organic compound) in the lungs.
 
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Post by: John Albert on October 04, 2019, 06:57:52 PM
Who knows what the small-time manufacturers are putting in those oils.
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Post by: John Albert on October 05, 2019, 09:36:30 AM
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Post by: stands2reason on October 07, 2019, 04:12:57 PM
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Source: "Anals" of Internal Medicine
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Post by: John Albert on October 09, 2019, 08:38:53 AM
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Post by: werecow on October 09, 2019, 10:17:05 AM
If I just sell four of my lungs, I'll never have to work another day of my life!
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Post by: Alex Simmons on October 09, 2019, 03:48:02 PM
If I just sell four of my lungs

I'm sure with creative modern financial systems it'll be possible to do that. I can see lung futures market being a thing... To ultimately collapse (the market that is, not the lungs) as disruptive technology enters the fray.
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Post by: HighPockets on October 09, 2019, 05:38:32 PM
If I just sell four of my lungs, I'll never have to work another day of my life!

Too bad they don't have a price for stomachs.
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Post by: xenu on October 09, 2019, 06:22:07 PM
If I just sell four of my lungs, I'll never have to work another day of my life!

You can ask Kenneth Lay ex CEO of ENRON how it's done.