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Title: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: moj on April 19, 2019, 10:55:03 AM
This study makes me happy, I've long thought that beards are gross and slightly annoyed when they became so trendy and every hipper than though started growing them.  If you think pubs on your face are an improvement, I'm not sure what I can tell you but science now confirms you are gross. Shave please, for everyone sake.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/well/more-bacteria-in-mens-beards-than-on-dogs-study-says/

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Men's beards harbor more germs than the fur on dogs, a new study has found.
 
Man’s best friend might have a thing or two to teach us about cleanliness: The beards covering men’s faces hide “significantly higher” amounts of bacteria than found on dogs, a recent study suggests.

The research, published in February in the peer-reviewed journal European Radiology, compared bacteria samples from 18 hairy men with those from 30 dogs, including border collies, dachshunds and German shepherds.

The conclusion? “On the basis of these findings, dogs can be considered as ‘clean’ compared with bearded men,” the Switzerland-based researchers noted.

Twenty-three of the 30 dogs showed high microbial counts; all 18 of the bearded men did. Disease-causing bacteria showed up more frequently on the beards, too, including bugs causing urinary tract infections, though that difference was not deemed significant.

Researchers took bacterial samples from the dogs’ necks, between the shoulder blades, which veterinarians suggest is “particularly unhygienic” and where most canine skin infections occur, the study says. The dogs were 3 months to 13 years in age.

The men, ages 18 to 76, gave samples from beard hair below the mouth. Researchers noted the length of each beard “by gently pulling on the beard hair and measuring the length in centimeters with a ruler.”
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 19, 2019, 01:07:56 PM
KMA
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Soldier of FORTRAN on April 19, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
Beards hide weak jawlines. 

Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: moj on April 19, 2019, 01:22:32 PM
Beards hide weak jawlines. 

along with spreading disease and make one look like every other hipster.



https://www.npr.org/2019/03/10/702063209/man-inadvertently-proves-that-hipsters-look-alike-by-mistaking-photo-as-himself

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It's a running joke that male hipsters all look alike with their flannel shirts, thick beards and other seemingly off-brand attributes. But a comical incident in the MIT Technology Review might just prove that they all really do look alike.

The publication recently published an article on a study out of Brandeis University about the "hipster effect," which studied how nonconformists usually act unconventionally in the same way — to end up being exactly the same.

"What the study found essentially was that when a group of people decide to be different, to do something nonconforming, there comes a point when they all end up adopting the same behavior or the same style," Gideon Lichfield, editor-in-chief of MIT Technology Review, told NPR's Lulu Garcia-Navarro for Weekend Edition.

While the study proves this theory, so does accidentally thinking the edited photo at the top of the story — which featured a man in a plaid shirt with a beanie on — is of yourself.
Right after the article was published, MIT Technology Review promptly received an email from someone who claimed he was the man in the photo and hadn't given his consent. He accused the publication of slandering him and threatened legal action, writing:

"You used a heavily edited Getty image of me for your recent bit of click-bait about why hipsters all look the same. It's a poorly written and insulting article and somewhat ironically about five years too late to be as desperately relevant as it is attempting to be. By using a tired cultural trope to try to spruce up an otherwise disturbing study. Your lack of basic journalistic ethics and both the manner in which you reported this uncredited nonsense and the slanderous unnecessary use of my picture without permission demands a response and I am of course pursuing legal action."Lichfield and his team quickly checked to see if the model in the photo signed a model release. They contacted Getty Images, which found that the person who signed the model release was not the person who wrote the angry email.

After the misunderstanding was cleared up, the man responded by saying to Getty Images, "Wow, I stand corrected I guess. I and multiple family members, and a childhood friend pointed it out to me, thought it was a mildly photo-shopped picture of me. I even have a very similar hat and shirt, though in full color I can see it's not the same. Thank you for getting back to me and resolving the issue."

Lichfield tweeted this scenario and wrote that the incident "just proves the story we ran: Hipsters look so much alike that they can't even tell themselves apart from each other."
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Shibboleth on April 19, 2019, 01:26:17 PM
Dress how you want to dress and grow your hair how you want to grow your hair.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Calinthalus on April 19, 2019, 01:53:24 PM
I don't presume to tell my wife she should shave her legs or underarms, she doesn't presume to tell me to shave my face.


I grew this facial hair in a different millennia; and the only time I've been without it since was when chemo dropped it all down the shower drain.  I'm not afraid of germs, I have more bacteria cells in/on my body than I do human, so what's a few more?
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 19, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
I've had a beard since 1971. Nobody would confuse me with a hipster.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: 2397 on April 19, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
Is this the sort of thing where X has more germs than a toilet seat, where it turns out that neither is that big of a deal (assuming a certain standard of cleanliness)?

Do bearded men get sick more, do they spread diseases more?
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Captain Video on April 19, 2019, 03:47:27 PM
Is this the sort of thing where X has more germs than a toilet seat, where it turns out that neither is that big of a deal (assuming a certain standard of cleanliness)?

Do bearded men get sick more, do they spread diseases more?

We get sick less because we are stronger and more manly.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: AQB24712 on April 19, 2019, 05:52:41 PM
You crack me right the hell up, moj.  :)
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: brilligtove on April 20, 2019, 01:12:03 AM
I beard my face because my jaw has seen too much radiation for safe exposure to sunlight. My lips start to burn from normal daylight in early April now.

OTOH if beards are a shitstorm of disease and filth as you say...

They're a peacock display. The worse it is (while I can still reproduce) the stronger it is as a sexual display.

Seriously - if his beard smelled sweet, was soft, and tickled and rubbed at just the right rate... Sounds like an adaptive trait.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: lonely moa on April 20, 2019, 05:20:38 AM
I beard my face because my jaw has seen too much radiation for safe exposure to sunlight. My lips start to burn from normal daylight in early April now


How do you grow a beard after radio?  I only have to shave half my face. 

Beards, IMHO (and anecdotal experience), are certainly not plusses in respect to attractiveness to females. 
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 20, 2019, 06:34:30 AM
I shave my head and grow a beard.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Harry Black on April 20, 2019, 08:13:02 AM
I beard my face because my jaw has seen too much radiation for safe exposure to sunlight. My lips start to burn from normal daylight in early April now


How do you grow a beard after radio?  I only have to shave half my face. 

Beards, IMHO (and anecdotal experience), are certainly not plusses in respect to attractiveness to females.
Lots of women these days in dating profiles specify that they are looking for a guy with a beard and some rule out guys without.
But then there seem to be enough that dont mind a shaved or stubbled face that I do ok.
Fashions and preferences change I guess. Im sure the pendulum will swing back again.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Captain Video on April 20, 2019, 08:20:25 AM
I beard my face because my jaw has seen too much radiation for safe exposure to sunlight. My lips start to burn from normal daylight in early April now


How do you grow a beard after radio?  I only have to shave half my face. 

Beards, IMHO (and anecdotal experience), are certainly not plusses in respect to attractiveness to females.
Lots of women these days in dating profiles specify that they are looking for a guy with a beard and some rule out guys without.
But then there seem to be enough that dont mind a shaved or stubbled face that I do ok.
Fashions and preferences change I guess. Im sure the pendulum will swing back again.

Black women seem to be more attracted to beards than white women. Richer white women seem to be less attracted than poor. There are exceptions to everything of course. 

Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Harry Black on April 20, 2019, 08:24:29 AM
I beard my face because my jaw has seen too much radiation for safe exposure to sunlight. My lips start to burn from normal daylight in early April now


How do you grow a beard after radio?  I only have to shave half my face. 

Beards, IMHO (and anecdotal experience), are certainly not plusses in respect to attractiveness to females.
Lots of women these days in dating profiles specify that they are looking for a guy with a beard and some rule out guys without.
But then there seem to be enough that dont mind a shaved or stubbled face that I do ok.
Fashions and preferences change I guess. Im sure the pendulum will swing back again.

Black women seem to be more attracted to beards than white women. Richer white women seem to be less attracted than poor. There are exceptions to everything of course.
Thats interesting, my experience is actually the opposite!
Is there any data either way?
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: heyalison on April 20, 2019, 09:17:00 AM
This thread makes me imagine a bizzaro gender-flipped world where Incels are angry women posting about how men with beards are lying to us and manipulating us with facial hair to "fake" being attractive. Except for the "nice girl" types, who'd insert themselves into men's Twitter threads to tell them they look beautiful without their beards and should shave them, regardless of whether the men like their beard or not.  :)
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: brilligtove on April 20, 2019, 09:35:12 AM
I beard my face because my jaw has seen too much radiation for safe exposure to sunlight. My lips start to burn from normal daylight in early April now


How do you grow a beard after radio?  I only have to shave half my face. 

Beards, IMHO (and anecdotal experience), are certainly not plusses in respect to attractiveness to females.

I had laryngeal cancer, so the main dose was from the bottom of my jawline to my collarbones. I have maybe 4 or 5 grey hairs that live below the line still. They somehow are not there at all for weeks and then appear as 1cm long whiskers all at once. As for my beard, I keep it between ½" and ⅜" with clippers every week or so.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: brilligtove on April 20, 2019, 09:38:33 AM
This thread makes me imagine a bizzaro gender-flipped world where Incels are angry women posting about how men with beards are lying to us and manipulating us with facial hair to "fake" being attractive. Except for the "nice girl" types, who'd insert themselves into men's Twitter threads to tell them they look beautiful without their beards and should shave them, regardless of whether the men like their beard or not.  :)

It turns out that trying to genuinely express admiration and delight about your bizarre and twisty imagination is hard to do without sounding insulting. With that in mind, can I live in a corner of your skull? That's a fantastic idea to chew on!
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Post by: Calinthalus on April 20, 2019, 02:05:16 PM
It is pretty goddamn funny to think of.  Dead on.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Captain Video on April 20, 2019, 08:53:23 PM
I beard my face because my jaw has seen too much radiation for safe exposure to sunlight. My lips start to burn from normal daylight in early April now


How do you grow a beard after radio?  I only have to shave half my face. 

Beards, IMHO (and anecdotal experience), are certainly not plusses in respect to attractiveness to females.
Lots of women these days in dating profiles specify that they are looking for a guy with a beard and some rule out guys without.
But then there seem to be enough that dont mind a shaved or stubbled face that I do ok.
Fashions and preferences change I guess. Im sure the pendulum will swing back again.

Black women seem to be more attracted to beards than white women. Richer white women seem to be less attracted than poor. There are exceptions to everything of course.
Thats interesting, my experience is actually the opposite!
Is there any data either way?

It mite be an Atlanta thing or just a USA thing. If I go into the mall I am invisible and I get eye rolls from rich white women, If I go to Kroger (grocery store) I seem to get extra attention and smiles from African American women, The opposite is true if I shave.  No data , just my observation.  Black women seem to be into beards right now especially long ones like mine. I cant keep their hands off of it at my second gig.

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Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: PANTS! on May 24, 2019, 10:24:44 AM
along with spreading disease and make one look like every other hipster.

Made me think of this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz_Zn5BS9QI

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We're Searching for the lost
To be different, like everyone else
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: John Albert on May 25, 2019, 10:25:29 PM
I've noticed that some women really like men with beards (it was quite popular about 5 years ago and might be receding a little) and some don't, but I've never noticed the preference to break along racial lines.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: lonely moa on May 27, 2019, 02:35:09 AM
When I was "dating" in the 70's and 80's, I was never asked to grow facial hair by any girl friends.  They all liked clean faces.  My beautiful wife is the same.

I just comply.
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: John Albert on May 27, 2019, 06:22:17 PM
Times and preferences change.

The OP article is pseudoscientific bullshit.
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Post by: arthwollipot on May 27, 2019, 09:14:05 PM
Can't believe I haven't already posted this.

(https://i.imgur.com/3Zrkx7A.jpg)
Title: Re: Men with beards are gross, science fact now :P
Post by: Nosmas on May 28, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
If dogs are the benchmark for measuring the ickyness of a man's beard then I'm fine with it. Anyone who isn't a heartless monster or highly allergic should be thrilled to bury their faces in those magnificent beasts!

My beard is fairly short but it's probably 56.8% dog fur ;D