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Title: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 24, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
I'm in the middle of 3 great sci-fi series. I've got a 10 hour drive coming up and an audible credit. I like them all but I decided I'm gonna use the results of a poll here to decide which book to pick up next.

I read Persepolis Rising (Expanse book 7) like a year and a half ago, I read Collapsing Empire (Interdependency book 1) last year, and I literally just finished Three Body Problem 5 minutes ago.

The length of time since reading and number of books in the series are a factor mainly because it affects the amount of prep work (synopsis reading) I have to do before starting, but that's my problem not yours.

I don't really care if you aren't familiar with all the series. This isn't really about that it's just an unscientific way for me to make a decision without having to make a decision.


Thx!
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: amysrevenge on April 24, 2019, 05:51:16 PM
I'm one behind you on Expanse, one ahead of you on Interdependency, and even on Three Body Problem.

I'm waiting to re-sub to Audible to go any farther on Expanse because I liked the audiobooks.  I liked Three Body Problem by wasn't hooked enough to go on to the next one.  I purchased Consuming Fire 30 seconds after finishing Collapsing Empire because I loved it to bits (and I was sad that it was over too fast haha).
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: brilligtove on April 24, 2019, 07:42:51 PM
I'm in the same place as amysrevenge (finished book 3 of The Expanse).

I would suggest continuing with the Three Body Problem sooner rather than later. I found the unstated cultural premises very difficult to internalize, and I listened to them back to back. I think it would have been much harder to understand the underlying motivations if I'd waited between books.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 24, 2019, 08:53:15 PM
I would suggest continuing with the Three Body Problem sooner rather than later. I found the unstated cultural premises very difficult to internalize, and I listened to them back to back. I think it would have been much harder to understand the underlying motivations if I'd waited between books.

My suggestion as well. I loved "Three-Body Problem" and went straight into the 2 sequels. While you are familiar with all the characters and motivations, you'll get more out of the sequels.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: CarbShark on April 24, 2019, 10:01:43 PM
Foundation and Dune are old hat, right? 

I always saw Heinlein’s three best books as a trilogy about sex, religion and politics.

(Can you name them?)


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Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: brilligtove on April 24, 2019, 11:54:15 PM
Friday, Job, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: CarbShark on April 25, 2019, 02:25:23 AM
You got politics.


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Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: brilligtove on April 25, 2019, 08:02:38 AM
Hm.

Job is one of his best IMO and it certainly is about religion.

Friday came out in the mid 1980s, when I was a young teenager. That may have skewed my recollection of how focused the book is on sex.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 26, 2019, 05:01:14 PM
Well at this point Three Body Problem sequel is way in the lead! I'll probably end up picking that one up although my trip isn't till wednesday so there's still time to affect this poll, guys!

I'll definitely read the other two in short order in any case.

Foundation and Dune are old hat, right? 

I've read all of foundation and all the Dune books up until the point where I was told "stop reading Dune at this point!" I couldn't tell you where that was. I read foundation like 15 years ago and Dune like 10 years ago.

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(Can you name them?)


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I'm sorry to say I don't think I've read a single Heinlein. I watched Starship Troopers when I was a kid like a half a dozen times though. If I decide to jump over to Heinlein at some point soon what should I read?
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: CarbShark on April 26, 2019, 05:55:37 PM
Well at this point Three Body Problem sequel is way in the lead! I'll probably end up picking that one up although my trip isn't till wednesday so there's still time to affect this poll, guys!

I'll definitely read the other two in short order in any case.

Foundation and Dune are old hat, right? 

I've read all of foundation and all the Dune books up until the point where I was told "stop reading Dune at this point!" I couldn't tell you where that was. I read foundation like 15 years ago and Dune like 10 years ago.

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(Can you name them?)


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I'm sorry to say I don't think I've read a single Heinlein. I watched Starship Troopers when I was a kid like a half a dozen times though. If I decide to jump over to Heinlein at some point soon what should I read?

It's hard for me to answer that. I believe I read every single book and short story that he'd written (or at least that were published by the mid-80s).

My favorites are "Stranger in a Strange Land," and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress."  Stranger was my first Heinlein.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 26, 2019, 05:57:10 PM
I've read all of foundation and all the Dune books up until the point where I was told "stop reading Dune at this point!" I couldn't tell you where that was. I read foundation like 15 years ago and Dune like 10 years ago.

I made it to Book 4 (Dune Messiah) before giving up. Dune is my favourite SciFi book ever. The sequels are good, but never reach the greatness of Dune.

I'm sorry to say I don't think I've read a single Heinlein. I watched Starship Troopers when I was a kid like a half a dozen times though. If I decide to jump over to Heinlein at some point soon what should I read?

Heinlein is an author I could never get into despite being a huge sci-fi reader of that era.

"The Moon is a harsh Mistress" is ok. I keep meaning to read "Stranger in a Strange Land"
They seem to be his big 2 books.


If you are a big sci-fi reader you should check out "Sword and Laser". It's a Podcast, and online 'Sci-Fi and Fantasy' book club.
They read, and discuss a lot of Sci-fi (and Fantasy) from all eras. We've read Herbet, Heinlein, Asimov, Ray Bradley (The Martian Chronicles is next month's book)
http://swordandlaser.com/

I am a moderator on their Goodreads forum where we discuss the books and anything else book related (or not  ;) )
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/4170-the-sword-and-laser
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Swagomatic on April 26, 2019, 06:01:56 PM
I went ahead an voted for continuing the Three Body Problem because I just got it on Audible.   :P

Also, I just finished the "Spin" series by Robert Charles Wilson, which I recommend (not great, but very good).

ETA:  I also recommend the Gentleman Bastard Series by Scott Lynch, (book one is The Lies of Locke Lamora) as a good fantasy selection.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Nosmas on April 26, 2019, 07:10:42 PM
I've read all of the 3 Body Problem and both Interdependency books. I've not read any Expanse due to an irrational resistance which I think is due to its popularity (maybe I'm a scifi hipster).

I felt very meh about 3 Body Problem. I think a lot of it was due to the Chinese names and how the story translated. My vote is Consuming Fire as I'm loving that series. Unfortunately there's nothing to follow up with yet after that short book.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: amysrevenge on April 26, 2019, 07:13:15 PM
Dune moving forward from Herbert is a tricky situation.  I have a pretty wide acceptance of immersion - I can imagine, for instance, that the posthumous sequels are the "actual" events only written about by different chroniclers in a different style, and I am very interested in the "actual" events, so I read and enjoyed them and they felt real to me and not like cheap fanfic.

That said, the Herbert Junior/Anderson team is very much inferior to Herbert Senior at the craft of writing.  The books are (objectively? that might be a stretch, but it's nearly universally claimed) not as good.  But I still like them.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: CarbShark on April 26, 2019, 09:56:56 PM
Heinlein is an author I could never get into despite being a huge sci-fi reader of that era.

"The Moon is a harsh Mistress" is ok.
They seem to be his big 2 books.

OK? Wasn't one of the heroes an Aussie?

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I keep meaning to read "Stranger in a Strange Land"

Stranger is amazing.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 27, 2019, 03:23:32 AM
Heinlein is an author I could never get into despite being a huge sci-fi reader of that era.

"The Moon is a harsh Mistress" is ok.
They seem to be his big 2 books.

OK? Wasn't one of the heroes an Aussie?

If they are, I don't remember them  ???
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Neutral Milk on April 28, 2019, 08:59:07 AM
Pulled the trigger yesterday and bought The Dark Forest. Ran out of podcasts. The 10 hour drive is because I'm moving to DC so I'm packing and cleaning and going through audio content really quickly. Who knows I might need to pick up the scalzi before I leave to make it through the drive.

A couple hours into The Dark Forest and I'm enjoying it. I think as much as the hard sci-fi content I really enjoy trying to analyze how Chinese culture (historic and modern day) influences the structure of the story. It makes it harder to follow but also more rewarding when I feel like it's fitting into place.

The Chinese names though - ugh. I'm terrible with remembering names I'm exposed to on a regular basis I feel like I need a reference sheet for the Chinese characters. Thankfully context is usually sufficient.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Noisy Rhysling on April 28, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
Heinlein is an author I could never get into despite being a huge sci-fi reader of that era.

"The Moon is a harsh Mistress" is ok.
They seem to be his big 2 books.

OK? Wasn't one of the heroes an Aussie?

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I keep meaning to read "Stranger in a Strange Land"

Stranger is amazing.
Harsh Mistress had an Aussie.

Sex: Stranger, I Will Fear No Evil, and Time Enough For Love.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: PANTS! on April 28, 2019, 12:03:14 PM
I need to read the 3 body problem
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 29, 2019, 03:39:02 AM
The Chinese names though - ugh. I'm terrible with remembering names I'm exposed to on a regular basis I feel like I need a reference sheet for the Chinese characters. Thankfully context is usually sufficient.

That is where the eBook was handy. It had a list of characters and their 'job/connection to other characters' at the front of the book.

Here it is if you want it:
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Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: arthwollipot on April 29, 2019, 03:46:52 AM
I made it to Book 4 (Dune Messiah) before giving up. Dune is my favourite SciFi book ever. The sequels are good, but never reach the greatness of Dune.

Dune Messiah is the second book. It goes Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God-Emperor of Dune. I've read all four, but never any of the others.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 29, 2019, 03:54:27 AM
I made it to Book 4 (Dune Messiah) before giving up. Dune is my favourite SciFi book ever. The sequels are good, but never reach the greatness of Dune.

Dune Messiah is the second book. It goes Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God-Emperor of Dune. I've read all four, but never any of the others.

That's what I get for having them in the wrong order on my bookshelf  ;)
I made it to Book 4: God-Emperor of Dune.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: arthwollipot on April 29, 2019, 04:00:19 AM
I'm slowly working my way through Julian May's Saga of the Exiles for the first time again in too many years. Planning to follow through with the Milieu saga as well.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Tassie Dave on April 29, 2019, 04:46:40 AM
I'm slowly working my way through Julian May's Saga of the Exiles for the first time again in too many years. Planning to follow through with the Milieu saga as well.

I love that series. I first read it when it came out in the early 80s.
It was over 30 years after I read it before I realised Julian May was a woman. Not that it mattered, but I'd always assumed Julian was only a male name.

Some great sci-fi series came out around the same time. Another favourite was the Helliconia series (Helliconia Spring, Helliconia Summer & Helliconia Winter) I re-read that not long ago. It's still as good as when I read it 30+ years ago.

The best new sci-fi series I have read is "The Lady Astronaut series" by Mary Robinette Kowal
"The Calculating Stars" will be the Hugo winner this year (along with many other awards). But I think it was surpassed by the sequel "The Fated Sky"
Both are 5 Star books.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Sawyer on April 29, 2019, 10:47:11 AM
Silly sci-fi people, book 4 of Dune is where things finally start to get interesting.   :P

In all seriousness, God Emperor of Dune is probably the least enjoyable one to read, but it's also where Herbert really sinks his teeth into the nature of tyrants, religion, and rebellion.  I think the 5th book of the series (which tends to have more action and more endearing characters) is better specifically because you see how Arakkis and the political factions that control it were shaped by Leto's reign.  Chapterhouse Dune on the other hand really does start to drag by the end, with all of the philosophical musings of God Emperor but no ultimate payoff.


In a similar vein, I'm almost through the first Mars book by Kim Stanley Robinson.  Looking at other reviews I'm bewildered that many readers seem to gush over the hard sci-fi and technological speculation, but are bored with the character development and politics of colonizing Mars.  I can only take about 20 pages droning on about how to control CO2 levels or which bacteria can survive in Martian soil before I start falling asleep.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: amysrevenge on April 29, 2019, 11:48:45 AM
In a similar vein, I'm almost through the first Mars book by Kim Stanley Robinson.  Looking at other reviews I'm bewildered that many readers seem to gush over the hard sci-fi and technological speculation, but are bored with the character development and politics of colonizing Mars.  I can only take about 20 pages droning on about how to control CO2 levels or which bacteria can survive in Martian soil before I start falling asleep.

Never was able to get past about 40 pages of that one.  Tried twice.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Sawyer on April 29, 2019, 12:22:13 PM
In a similar vein, I'm almost through the first Mars book by Kim Stanley Robinson.  Looking at other reviews I'm bewildered that many readers seem to gush over the hard sci-fi and technological speculation, but are bored with the character development and politics of colonizing Mars.  I can only take about 20 pages droning on about how to control CO2 levels or which bacteria can survive in Martian soil before I start falling asleep.

Never was able to get past about 40 pages of that one.  Tried twice.
Things don't really start to take shape until about a third of the way in.  I had to alternate reading another book.

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Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: brilligtove on May 08, 2019, 12:10:50 AM
It's been a long time, but The Gap series by Donaldson is one of my personal favourites. Unlike all his other works, it starts like a rocket. The characters are so deeply human it might be classified as a horror series.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: amysrevenge on May 08, 2019, 12:01:52 PM
So somehow I missed Hyperion when it came out (I was in my prime "read all the things" phase then, no idea how it got by me).  Wow, it is so good.  2/3 through the sequel right now, already filled up my Google Play balance to buy the next one when I'm done.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Nosmas on May 08, 2019, 02:40:18 PM
So somehow I missed Hyperion when it came out (I was in my prime "read all the things" phase then, no idea how it got by me).  Wow, it is so good.  2/3 through the sequel right now, already filled up my Google Play balance to buy the next one when I'm done.

It remains my favorite science fiction series to this day. I found the forced John Keats portions a little tiresome at times but it's a small critique. I'm probably in the minority but I enjoyed the Endymion half of the series (books 3 and 4) the most.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: amysrevenge on May 15, 2019, 12:04:16 PM
So somehow I missed Hyperion when it came out (I was in my prime "read all the things" phase then, no idea how it got by me).  Wow, it is so good.  2/3 through the sequel right now, already filled up my Google Play balance to buy the next one when I'm done.

It remains my favorite science fiction series to this day. I found the forced John Keats portions a little tiresome at times but it's a small critique. I'm probably in the minority but I enjoyed the Endymion half of the series (books 3 and 4) the most.

Holy smokes you ain't wrong.  I'm having trouble putting Endymion down to go to sleep haha.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Neutral Milk on May 27, 2019, 03:35:59 PM
Update: I finished The Dark Forest and moved immediately into Death's End.

This is a great series. I get people's complaints but this is really really good Sci-Fi.

I'll move on to Scalzi after this and then round it out with James SA Corey before I'm free of this sci-fi series hole I find myself in.
Title: Re: Which Sci-Fi series should I continue with next?
Post by: Neutral Milk on June 10, 2019, 05:58:27 PM
Just finished the third book of the 3 Body Problem series. Highly recommend.

The first book was unlike any sci-fi book I've ever read.

The second book might be my favorite sci-fi book I’ve ever read.

The third book had the most complicated but well-explained mind-blowing concepts in a single fictional book I’ve ever read.

On to the next series. I think I'm going to jump to a fantasy series like NK Jemisin's before I get back into a Sci-Fi book.