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Title: Episode #720
Post by: Steven Novella on April 27, 2019, 08:57:45 AM
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Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on April 27, 2019, 09:06:21 AM
The episode coming up early today, very much appreciated, thanks! :)
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: Rueful Rabbit on April 27, 2019, 02:33:25 PM
Steve pronounced the word "annal" the same as "anal", which is rather unfortunate.  The first "a" should be short, so as to rhyme with "panel".
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: UnicornPoop on April 27, 2019, 07:42:54 PM
Yep - Anals of Psychology (or whatever) really stuck out like a sore thumb. I had to laugh then had to cry because NO ONE jumped in to correct him! Too bad Cara wasn’t on the show - I think she’d have a great laugh at that one.


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Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: wolfwing on April 27, 2019, 10:45:39 PM
On the topic of being alive like that, there was a few scifi things I've seen like this.

There was a episode of I THINK elementary where guys on this drug either hallucinated, or actually were experiencing time at a highly aclerated rate to where a few days/weeks were like months to them.

And a anime called junji ito collection episode 2 the long dream,where very time this guy went to bed it would be sleeping longer, to where he had a entire life in the dream and then woke up the next day and was slowing losing himself.   
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: swan on April 27, 2019, 11:55:37 PM
On the topic of being alive like that, there was a few scifi things I've seen like this.

There was a episode of I THINK elementary where guys on this drug either hallucinated, or actually were experiencing time at a highly aclerated rate to where a few days/weeks were like months to them.

And a anime called junji ito collection episode 2 the long dream,where very time this guy went to bed it would be sleeping longer, to where he had a entire life in the dream and then woke up the next day and was slowing losing himself.
That makes me think of a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Inner Light (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Inner_Light_(episode))" where Captain Picard lived out an entire adult lifetime as part of an alien culture in under half an hour; then in the Deep Space 9 ep. "Hard Time (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hard_Time_(episode))" Miles O'Brien got to experience a time-compression… but his experience was not nearly as pleasant.

As for being in virtual solitary confinement for months or years... that's starting to sound pretty good right about now. (Of course if the jailer makes the walls show the Twitter feeds of certain people then maybe I'd be willing to put on the skimpy French maid's uniform and get to work.)
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: fuzzyMarmot on April 28, 2019, 05:14:17 AM
I always thought of falsifiability as a necessary trait of any scientific theory, and this idea has been reiterated many times on the SGU. I picked up Adam Becker's book What Is Real? The Unfinished Quest for the Meaning of Quantum Physics after hearing him on the SGU and on Cara's show. A very interesting section of the book claims that this Popperian notion is outdated, and that many contemporary philosophers of science disagree with it. I'd be interested to hear the rogues' take on some of these arguments (or if they have already done so).
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: Analog2 on April 28, 2019, 07:35:02 AM

Climate change voice:

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/frank-capra-warns-of-global-warming-1958

Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: swan on April 28, 2019, 01:02:05 PM

Climate change voice:

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/frank-capra-warns-of-global-warming-1958

I recognized it immediately (for once in my life). The entire episode is online... and a bit hokey (the interaction between live actors and cartoons doesn't reach the Roger Rabbit level), so I can see why it wasn't well received, but still gives a good overview of what they knew about weather at the time. (Noisy part starts at 50:14.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1ph_7C1Jq4
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: daniel1948 on April 28, 2019, 10:13:19 PM
I don't want to re-start the whole pronunciation debate, but I was also quite amused when Steve turned the annals of psychology into something involving butt holes.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: daniel1948 on April 28, 2019, 10:17:06 PM
There's a story in the Thousand Nights and a Night (a.k.a. The 1,001 Arabian Nights) wherein a guy is put into a magic barrel where he finds himself in an unknown place, finds a job, gets married, has kids, and after many many years is about to die of old age when he's pulled out of the barrel and only minutes have passed. So the theme goes back at least as far as pre-Islamic Arabia.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: werecow on April 28, 2019, 10:50:29 PM
I don't think I understand why atomic hydrogen wouldn't just react to form molecular hydrogen as it is collapsing into a star. Can someone explain to me why that's impossible?
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: jt512 on April 29, 2019, 02:49:32 PM
I don't want to re-start the whole pronunciation debate, but I was also quite amused when Steve turned the annals of psychology into something involving butt holes.

That's about as Freudian as a slip gets.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: mabell_yah on April 29, 2019, 07:02:45 PM
My response to Ben's letter:

1) "In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms". Stephen Jay Gould

It is not Science's job to draw an immutable  bright line between the possible and the impossible. Reality extended to include such remote possibilities is meaningless chaos.

2) "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" Carl Sagan

3) Science looks for multiple branches of evidence that converge on a truth. Religions like Christianity fracture into thousands of denominations based on the same book. That's not a strong indicator of truth.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: mabell_yah on April 29, 2019, 07:09:26 PM
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Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: DamoET on April 30, 2019, 08:56:57 AM
Hey guys, another great episode.  Steve, if you are worried about missing the dark sky event when you are in Aus, come past Canberra again adn I can take you guys out to Lake George to see the Milky Way, Magellanic Clouds, the fuzzyness of the Orion Nebula by eye, Eta Carina and the Southern Cross, Pointers and where Proxima is!  No charge.  ;)


Also, the quick chat about probabilities and how bad "we" are at judging risk, had me remember a "Risk Intelligence" test I did online a little while ago.  It no longer exists at "Projection Point", but if you do a app store search for "Risk IQ" (second app that appears in "play store"), there is the same test in app form.  Very good way to gauge how much we think we know and are willing to attach certainty with.  Very revealing.  If you guys have a good 15mins, give it a try.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=projectionpoint.rqtest&hl=en_US (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=projectionpoint.rqtest&hl=en_US)


Damien
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: The Latinist on April 30, 2019, 09:47:22 AM
Steve pronounced the word "annal" the same as "anal", which is rather unfortunate.  The first "a" should be short, so as to rhyme with "panel".
Yep - Anals of Psychology (or whatever) really stuck out like a sore thumb. I had to laugh then had to cry because NO ONE jumped in to correct him! Too bad Cara wasn’t on the show - I think she’d have a great laugh at that one.


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I don't want to re-start the whole pronunciation debate, but I was also quite amused when Steve turned the annals of psychology into something involving butt holes.

I'm pretty sure that this was a deliberate call-back to a joke from a previous episode.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on April 30, 2019, 10:21:51 AM
My response to Ben's letter:

1) "In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms". Stephen Jay Gould

It is not Science's job to draw an immutable  bright line between the possible and the impossible. Reality extended to include such remote possibilities is meaningless chaos.

2) "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" Carl Sagan

3) Science looks for multiple branches of evidence that converge on a truth. Religions like Christianity fracture into thousands of denominations based on the same book. That's not a strong indicator of truth.

I would also add that sure, one could posit a god behind it all. But it is not necessary to do so, it doesn't add anything or explain anything. Therefore there is no point in doing that. It's like suggesting (I did not make up this example myself) that elves inside the walls are part in activating the lights when you push the button. An unnecessary assumption.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: 2397 on April 30, 2019, 02:51:48 PM
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Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: arthwollipot on May 02, 2019, 05:08:12 AM
Hey guys, another great episode.  Steve, if you are worried about missing the dark sky event when you are in Aus, come past Canberra again adn I can take you guys out to Lake George to see the Milky Way, Magellanic Clouds, the fuzzyness of the Orion Nebula by eye, Eta Carina and the Southern Cross, Pointers and where Proxima is!  No charge.  ;)

If this happens, let me know and I'll come along!
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: mindme on May 02, 2019, 08:32:51 AM
Yep - Anals of Psychology (or whatever) really stuck out like a sore thumb. I had to laugh then had to cry because NO ONE jumped in to correct him! Too bad Cara wasn’t on the show - I think she’d have a great laugh at that one.


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I couldn't get past that either. It might be a regional pronunciation. I'd say it like "ah-nals".
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: The Latinist on May 02, 2019, 11:28:24 AM
Yep - Anals of Psychology (or whatever) really stuck out like a sore thumb. I had to laugh then had to cry because NO ONE jumped in to correct him! Too bad Cara wasn’t on the show - I think she’d have a great laugh at that one.


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I couldn't get past that either. It might be a regional pronunciation. I'd say it like "ah-nals".

No, it's a call-back to a joke from a previous episode. Steve would pronounce it to rhyme with 'panel.'
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: BAWRFRS on May 03, 2019, 10:10:53 AM
No, it's a call-back to a joke from a previous episode. Steve would pronounce it to rhyme with 'panel.'

Perhaps so, but it sure didn't come across that way to me, as a listener. Curious - I don't recall it's previous mention on the SGU, but I've been listening for a long time (not quite since the Perry days but close). If it's more recent, I'm surprised I've forgotten, because I do remember a similar mistake on another podcast from probably 5-10 years ago. It was used in the phrase "the annals of history". A sidekick on the podcast quickly jumped in and quipped, "that's the backside of history".  :D

Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: The Latinist on May 03, 2019, 09:26:55 PM
No, it's a call-back to a joke from a previous episode. Steve would pronounce it to rhyme with 'panel.'

Perhaps so, but it sure didn't come across that way to me, as a listener. Curious - I don't recall it's previous mention on the SGU, but I've been listening for a long time (not quite since the Perry days but close). If it's more recent, I'm surprised I've forgotten, because I do remember a similar mistake on another podcast from probably 5-10 years ago. It was used in the phrase "the annals of history". A sidekick on the podcast quickly jumped in and quipped, "that's the backside of history".  :D

I highly doubt that was unintentional, either. I don’t get why you’d conclude it was a mistake rather than another example of the kind of puerile humor they engage in all the time (PNAS, Uranus, etc.).  I don’t think such jokes are particularly funny, but the rogues clearly do.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: Swagomatic on May 04, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
No, it's a call-back to a joke from a previous episode. Steve would pronounce it to rhyme with 'panel.'

Perhaps so, but it sure didn't come across that way to me, as a listener. Curious - I don't recall it's previous mention on the SGU, but I've been listening for a long time (not quite since the Perry days but close). If it's more recent, I'm surprised I've forgotten, because I do remember a similar mistake on another podcast from probably 5-10 years ago. It was used in the phrase "the annals of history". A sidekick on the podcast quickly jumped in and quipped, "that's the backside of history".  :D

I highly doubt that was unintentional, either. I don’t get why you’d conclude it was a mistake rather than another example of the kind of puerile humor they engage in all the time (PNAS, Uranus, etc.).  I don’t think such jokes are particularly funny, but the rogues clearly do.

Pearl clutching? Really?
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: The Latinist on May 04, 2019, 08:25:18 PM
Pearl clutching? Really?

Huh?
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: arthwollipot on May 06, 2019, 12:46:07 AM
No, it's a call-back to a joke from a previous episode. Steve would pronounce it to rhyme with 'panel.'

Perhaps so, but it sure didn't come across that way to me, as a listener. Curious - I don't recall it's previous mention on the SGU, but I've been listening for a long time (not quite since the Perry days but close). If it's more recent, I'm surprised I've forgotten, because I do remember a similar mistake on another podcast from probably 5-10 years ago. It was used in the phrase "the annals of history". A sidekick on the podcast quickly jumped in and quipped, "that's the backside of history".  :D

I highly doubt that was unintentional, either. I don’t get why you’d conclude it was a mistake rather than another example of the kind of puerile humor they engage in all the time (PNAS, Uranus, etc.).  I don’t think such jokes are particularly funny, but the rogues clearly do.

The best part of the joke was that none of the other rogues laughed or even said anything after Steve mispronounced the word at least twice.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: The Latinist on May 06, 2019, 12:59:06 AM
No, it's a call-back to a joke from a previous episode. Steve would pronounce it to rhyme with 'panel.'

Perhaps so, but it sure didn't come across that way to me, as a listener. Curious - I don't recall it's previous mention on the SGU, but I've been listening for a long time (not quite since the Perry days but close). If it's more recent, I'm surprised I've forgotten, because I do remember a similar mistake on another podcast from probably 5-10 years ago. It was used in the phrase "the annals of history". A sidekick on the podcast quickly jumped in and quipped, "that's the backside of history".  :D

I highly doubt that was unintentional, either. I don’t get why you’d conclude it was a mistake rather than another example of the kind of puerile humor they engage in all the time (PNAS, Uranus, etc.).  I don’t think such jokes are particularly funny, but the rogues clearly do.

The best part of the joke was that none of the other rogues laughed or even said anything after Steve mispronounced the word at least twice.

That’s usually my response to such jokes, too.  And, yes, I sadly find that all too often people repeat them, apparently under the misapprehension that I didn’t hear them the first time.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: Swagomatic on May 06, 2019, 07:28:53 PM
Pearl clutching? Really?

Huh?

Eh, old and grumpy, ignore me.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: CarbShark on May 06, 2019, 09:19:53 PM
Pearl clutching? Really?

Huh?

Eh, old and grumpy, ignore me.
By that logic we wouldn’t have much of a forum.


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Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: jt512 on May 06, 2019, 09:24:41 PM
Pearl clutching? Really?

Huh?

Eh, old and grumpy, ignore me.
By that logic we wouldn’t have much of a forum.


Do we have "much of a forum"?  Consider the trend.
Title: Re: Episode #720
Post by: DamoET on May 07, 2019, 08:17:16 AM
  I think it was this episode where Jay was talking about thermodynamics and the 9gram copper cube.  Out of interest a cm3 of copper is 9grams, so they must have used 1 cubic cm of it.

Damien