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General Discussion / Re: Do The Rogues Fear Climate Change?
« Last post by Captain Video on Today at 06:14:31 PM »
I really think its a stretch to call it a swipe.

Her not saying their names and referring to them as "these guys" makes the comment seem sarcastic and negative to me.  Its probable that she has had private conversations/arguments about it that we don't know about so she may know more about their opinions than we do.

I admit it took me a while to come around on the situation but I also do not "fear" it. I think we will solve it or adapt to it somehow. 

I think its an extremely serious issue that needs to be solved but I don't think many of the laws and regulations that have been enacted actually have anything to do with solving it and I believe many business and political groups have taken advantage of the situation from both sides of the issue. 
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General Discussion / Re: Do The Rogues Fear Climate Change?
« Last post by John Albert on Today at 06:10:40 PM »
That's really easy to say in hindsight. But before the 1980s, the idea of a global warming trend (let alone AGW) was somewhat new, and practically unheard of outside the industry of climate science.

In fact, there was a period in the mid 20th century when many climatologists believed the planet was entering a cooling phase, due to the possibility of sulfur dioxide and other aerosols increasing the Earth's overall albedo. Indeed, most of the scientific studies predicted a warming trend, but for some reason the concept of global cooling received more attention. Some climatologists in the 1970s went public with predictions that the Earth might be entering into a new ice age, as reported in articles in Time and Newsweek. In 1975, the US Academy of Sciences released a report that concluded that the mechanisms of global climate are too complicated for long-term trends to be predictable at that time.
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General Discussion / Re: Chicken Sandwich War
« Last post by daniel1948 on Today at 06:03:29 PM »
The title of this thread makes me think of a fantasy radio series that was on some time circa 1970, IIRC, in which at one point there's a war that has the two sides using catapults to hurl watermelons at each other. This same series was where I picked up one of my favorite sayings: "He who eats when he is not hungry digs his grave with his teeth."

And I agree that it's unconscionable to patronize a business that funds hate groups.

But then I also think it's unconscionable to eat meat, so it makes boycotting a fast-food joint moot.
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General Discussion / Re: Chicken Sandwich War
« Last post by Noisy Rhysling on Today at 05:50:41 PM »
I was trying to figure out how this was a sequel to "cows with guns".
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General Discussion / Re: Do The Rogues Fear Climate Change?
« Last post by daniel1948 on Today at 05:49:14 PM »

There has never been any excuse for climate change denial, or for denying that smoking causes cancer. I didn't know Perry and never heard SGU episodes when he was on, but if he denied AGW, he was denying the existing solid evidence.

So, its your contention that there was never a time when the evidence for AGW was inconclusive or not compelling?

Essentially correct. Except that instead of "never" I'd say "never since the beginning of the 20th century." But I'll be charitable and say that the evidence might not have been very well known before the middle of the 20th century.

Scientists understood the physics of atmospheric carbon in the 19th century. It wasn't until the 20th century that it became apparent that we were burning fossil fuels in great enough quantities to make a difference in the near term. Assuming that Perry was roughly the same age as the Novella brothers, there was never a time in his adult life when climate change denial could have been justified by the evidence.

I gather from posts above that Steve took issue with Perry's denialism.
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General Discussion / Re: Do The Rogues Fear Climate Change?
« Last post by John Albert on Today at 05:42:56 PM »
I really think its a stretch to call it a swipe.

It sure sounded like a swipe to me.

She said that "despite being scientifically literate," they "didn't see global warming as a real threat." I think that's a glaring mischaracterization of their position.
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General Discussion / Re: Do The Rogues Fear Climate Change?
« Last post by Harry Black on Today at 05:33:40 PM »
I really think its a stretch to call it a swipe.
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Podcasts / Re: Which podcasts are we listening to?
« Last post by wastrel on Today at 05:31:43 PM »
They go full on credulous on some topics, but it's never really bothered me.  I think Henry leans into his UFO belief a bit just for humor, but I do think he truly believes (or at least hopes) such visitation is possible.

Ultimately, when they examine specific subjects, the fall pretty heavily on the skeptical side of things, but in the abstract, they loves them some aliens and left-path magick.

ETA: Skinwalker Ranch is a good example of them being overly credulous, taking a lto of the "evidence" at face value and giving only a token nod to the much more mundane and skeptical answer.  But even on those, I mostly just blow off their credulous take and enjoy the story.
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General Discussion / Re: Do The Rogues Fear Climate Change?
« Last post by John Albert on Today at 05:25:28 PM »
I don't think it's a fair accusation though. The SGU Rogues certainly don't pretend that climate change isn't a problem. They mention it in nearly every episode.

Their focus tends to lean toward potentially viable, sustainable strategies for producing clean energy and combating greenhouse gas emissions.

Saying that the rogues "were sure that at some point, humanity would develop technology to just fix it" is not only a fair accusation, it is a precisely correct characterization of their position.

I don't think that characterization is correct, or even fair.

Saying, "humanity would develop technology to just fix it," carries a very strong implication that they believe the process of halting global climate change is a simple or easy matter. I challenge you to find a quote where any one of the Rogues ever said it wasn't a complicated crisis, or they expect some new tech to come along and fix it without a major change to our energy policies.

Climate change is a frequent topic on the SGU. They often present news stories about the impact of human activity and highlight new discoveries and technologies that show promise in combating climate change. Jay is often quite insistent about the issue, and Steven frequently emphasizes that no single technology or policy is a magic bullet, and the solution will require a concerted effort and an economic shift across many industries in every major industrialized country in the world.

And science really is developing technologies to mitigate climate change. It's just slow to roll out all those developments on a global scale.

In 2015 after Rebecca left the show, the Rogues made it clear that their split was amicable from their end and they remain friends with Rebecca. But now she's taking these petty swipes at them for no apparent reason. 
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General Discussion / Re: Chicken Sandwich War
« Last post by Captain Video on Today at 05:19:22 PM »
This is a war that I have no particular care as to who wins.

I never had Chik-fil-A, not do I intend to.
I never had Popeyes either, but have been downwind of someone eating it. Smells absolutely awful, like opening and snorting a seasoning packet from ramen or powdered bullion.

Just curious, is their any chicken joint you do like?
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