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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2008, 09:26:04 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3HaRFBSq9k
I love this one the Argument skit
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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2008, 09:35:08 PM »
I expect to pass through this world but once;
any good thing therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now;
let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.
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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2008, 09:42:25 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3HaRFBSq9k
I love this one the Argument skit

No you don't!


if you both dont cut that out ill have to report you to the Programme Planning Police, Light Entertainment Division, Special Flying Squad.
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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2008, 09:54:00 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3HaRFBSq9k
I love this one the Argument skit
No you don't!

if you both dont cut that out ill have to report you to the Programme Planning Police, Light Entertainment Division, Special Flying Squad.

Oh, you're no fun any more.
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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2008, 10:12:57 PM »
haha

just trying to keep you out of the hands of the Programme Planning Police, Light Entertainment Division, Special Flying Squad.

...but then again, i hear their psychic, so perhaps none of us are safe
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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2008, 10:21:23 PM »
I'm a bit of a pythonophile me-self. What about this one?

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Sex is more fun than logic
From Monty Python's "The Holy Grail" album, in which John Cleese as the professor of logic explains why the witch burning sketch was not logically correct.
Good evening.

The last scene was interesting from the point of view of a professional logician because it contained a number of logical fallacies; that is, invalid propositional constructions and syllogistic forms, of the type so often committed by my wife. "All wood burns," states Sir Bedevere. "Therefore," he concludes, "all that burns is wood." This is, of course, pure bullshit. Universal affirmatives can only be partially converted: all of Alma Cogan is dead, but only some of the class of dead people are Alma Cogan. "Oh yes," one would think.

However, my wife does not understand this necessary limitation of the conversion of a proposition; consequently, she does not understand me. For how can a woman expect to appreciate a professor of logic, if the simplest cloth-eared syllogism causes her to flounder.

For example, given the premise, "all fish live underwater" and "all mackerel are fish", my wife will conclude, not that "all mackerel live underwater", but that "if she buys kippers it will not rain", or that "trout live in trees", or even that "I do not love her any more." This she calls "using her intuition". I call it "crap", and it gets me very irritated because it is not logical.

"There will be no supper tonight," she will sometimes cry upon my return home. "Why not?" I will ask. "Because I have been screwing the milkman all day," she will say, quite oblivious of the howling error she has made. "But," I will wearily point out, "even given that the activities of screwing the milkman and getting supper are mutually exclusive, now that the screwing is over, surely then, supper may, logically, be got." " You don't love me any more," she will now often postulate. "If you did, you would give me one now and again, so that I would not have to rely on that rancid Pakistani for my orgasms." "I will give you one after you have got me my supper," I now usually scream, "but not before" -- as you understand, making her bang contingent on the arrival of my supper.

"God, you turn me on when you're angry, you ancient brute!" she now mysteriously deduces, forcing her sweetly throbbing tongue down my throat. "Fuck supper!" I now invariably conclude, throwing logic somewhat joyously to the four winds, and so we thrash about on our milk-stained floor, transported by animal passion, until we sink back, exhausted, onto the cartons of yoghurt.

I'm afraid I seem to have strayed somewhat from my original brief. But in a nutshell:

Sex is more fun than logic -- one cannot prove this, but it "is" in the same sense that Mount Everest "is", or that Alma Cogan "isn't".

Goodnight.

My other favorite is from The Meaning of Life:

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St. Victor of Python
 
     And it came to pass that Saint Victor was taken from this place
to another place, where he was lain to rest himself amongst sheets
of muslin and velvet.
     And there stroked was he by maidens of the Orient.
     For sixteen days and nights stroked they him, yea verily and
caressed him.
     His hair, ruffled they.  And their fingers rubbethed they in oil
of olives, and ranneth them across all parts of his body for as much
as to soothe him.
     And the soles of his feet licked they.  And the upper parts of
his thigh did they anoint with the balm of forbidden trees.
     And with the teeth of their mouths, nibbled they the pointed
bits at the top of his ears.  Yea verily, and did their tongues
thereof make themselves acquainted with his most secret places.
     For fifteen days and nights did Victor withstand these maidens,
until he cried out, saying:
     "This...is fantastic!  Oh...this is *terrific!!*"
     And the Lord did here the cry of Victor.  And verily came He down
and slew the maidens.  And caused their cottonwool bugs to blow away,
and their Kleenex to be laid waste utterly.
     And Victor, in his anguish, cried out that the Lord was a rotten
bastard.
     So the Lord sent an angel to comfort Victor for the weekend.
     And entered they together the jaccuzzi.
 
   Here endeth the lesson.

Although I'm not sure there is a logical fallacy there, its just plain funnah.
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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2008, 10:34:35 PM »
Ah!  I've got one.

The scene in "Life of Brian," where he's in the hole with the hermit, and the followers are saying they're hungry.  Brian points out some juniper bushes, and they take it as a miracle.  What is the falacy?  Assuming correlation with causation!  He both suggested they exist, and they do, in fact, exist, but it was not his suggestion that caused it to exist. :D

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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2008, 11:56:56 PM »
"The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king."

Argument from Authority, with a side order of Non Sequitur (But really, aren't most logical fallacies merely a specific flavor of non sequitur?)
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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2008, 12:43:36 AM »
"The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king."

Argument from Authority, with a side order of Non Sequitur (But really, aren't most logical fallacies merely a specific flavor of non sequitur?)

Yeah! I mean, if I went around saying I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint heaved a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!!

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Re: monty python: the lighter side of logicall fallacies
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2008, 12:48:58 AM »
id make you emperor, because you have a scimitar and im disinclined to disagree with an armed man who is clearly unstable as proven by his claims
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